Who do you want to see 'Ultimized'?

[TheAmazingSpidey]

Simple, list characters you'd like to see pop up in the Ultimate Universe.

Let's see...


She-Hulk: I wouldn't call myself a fan, exactly, but I do like Jen, so I wouldn't mind to see her.

Hydro-Man: I'd like to see him--I'd be fine with seeing him as a "throw away villain" (ala Shocker, Gladiator, etc). Again, not one of my favorites, but I don't mind him, and I think Bendis could provide a damn funny and good fight.

Debra Whitman--Why not? Exactly.

Cloak and Dagger

ABOMINATION!




I'll post more later, let's see yours! :)

[ThePhenom]

She-Hulk: I wouldn't call myself a fan, exactly, but I do like Jen, so I wouldn't mind to see her.

Firstly, you are gonna get so screamed at for starting such a common thread ;).

Secondly, you won't have to wait long (depending on how you look at it you will have to wait ages) until we see She-Hulk, we've already seen Jen in Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk but until She-Hulk we have to wait for the elusive third issue.

Thirdly, I wouldn't mind seeing Maria Hill in a new more likable light, or a far more villainous political light as well as Sentry as an ambigous character waiting to be set up. Not to specific or anything...

[Just a Shadow]

We've already seen the Abomination in the second Ultimates book. However I wouldn't mind him being redone.


Secondly, you won't have to wait long (depending on how you look at it you will have to wait ages) until we see She-Hulk, we've already seen Jen in Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk but until She-Hulk we have to wait for the elusive third issue.


Was the Ult Wolverine vs. Hulk story ever completed?

[bbmakdaddycomics]

thunderbird and sunfire

[whoischance]

Stingray, Darkhawk, Cardiac (always thought that he was more of an antihero, but he was always painted as a villain)

[BulletSpeed]

MVP from the Avengers Initiative.

[Just a Shadow]

Stingray, Darkhawk, Cardiac (always thought that he was more of an antihero, but he was always painted as a villain)

I second darkhawk and cardiac. Cardiac i had pretty much forgotten about, but seeing him makes me feel nostalgic because he showed up in ASM in the middle of my first year of collecting comics (at the time ASM was one of my titles).

[a-spidey]

Cloak and Dagger


i agree, two really interesting characters imo. They derserve some more attention. And a ultimate version would interest me too.
But i guess won't happen. At least not in a big way.

[Angelus II]

thunderbird and sunfire

Oh, please not Sunfire. He was one of the reason why I hate Spider-Man and his amazing friends (the cartoon).

[ThePhenom]

Was the Ult Wolverine vs. Hulk story ever completed?

Still exists but VERY pending...

[Josef F.]

Omgosh sage

[bbmakdaddycomics]

Oh, please not Sunfire. He was one of the reason why I hate Spider-Man and his amazing friends (the cartoon).

i hated that sunfire too but i'm talkin sunfire as a horsemen of apocalypse

[desanth]

I would like a reverse ultimization of the triskelion. In other words, I want a 616 triskelion. If one exists, tell me what its all about!

[TheAmazingSpidey]

I thought of another:


Puma.




I actually think he's a pretty cool character. I'd really like to see Bendis ultimize his ass, and put him in USM.

[sugarmanandrobin]

I thought of another:


Puma.




I actually think he's a pretty cool character. I'd really like to see Bendis ultimize his ass, and put him in USM.

Puma? Hell, why not just go with Ultimate Stilt-Man and Ultimate Stingray?

And they already kinda sorta did Abomination in the Grand Theft America storyline.

And come on, people. We're kidding ourselves if we think there's more than one 616er that needs Ultimationizingness...HOWARD THE DUCK.

I rest my case.

[TheAmazingSpidey]

Puma? Hell, why not just go with Ultimate Stilt-Man and Ultimate Stingray?

And they already kinda sorta did Abomination in the Grand Theft America storyline.

And come on, people. We're kidding ourselves if we think there's more than one 616er that needs Ultimationizingness...HOWARD THE DUCK.

I rest my case.

Puma actually isn't too bad...:(

[CyberHubbs]

Ultimate Rocket Raccoon.

Ultimate Devil Dinosaur.

Ultimate Bill and Don.

Ultimate Fing Fang Foom.

[Charles01]

Who do you want to see 'Ultimized'?

Rather then fall into someone else's ultimate gimmick, I would prefer using the expressions

Who do you want to see JOE MADURIERAzed :-)

Who do you want to see JEPH LOEBized :-)

[ThePhenom]

Rather then fall into someone else's ultimate gimmick, I would prefer using the expressions

Who do you want to see JOE MADURIERAzed :-)

Who do you want to see JEPH LOEBized :-)

Definately NOT the Ultimates.

Who do I want to see Laroccised? Scarlet Witch, Quiksilver, Magneto...

Who do I want to see Immonised? The Ultimates... but not in the main series.

Who do I want to see McNivenised? Everyone, just everyone in the Ultimate Universe ever.

Oh, and BKV-ise the Ultimate X-Men.

[chrismileslord]

Still exists but VERY pending...

Hey, be optimistic, it's only what...two, two and a half years late here? HAHA

[Charles01]

Rather then fall into someone else's ultimate gimmick, I would prefer using the expressions

Who do you want to see JOE MADURIERAzed :-)

Who do you want to see JEPH LOEBized :-)
Darn I forgot to give my answer on Who do I want to see LOEBized/MADURIERAzed

A cool HEROES FOR HIRE series with Luke Cage, the real Iron First, and Deadpool in the main roles, also a regular THOR miniseries, and a real CAPTAIN AMERICA Steve Rogers miniseries possibly on his youth before becoming Captain America, but somehow in his own limited way still a hero at heart

[Rufusade]

And come on, people. We're kidding ourselves if we think there's more than one 616er that needs Ultimationizingness...HOWARD THE DUCK.

I rest my case.


You know something, your right. Maby he can be an an extradimensional entity like poenix (And possibly Apocalypse) who inhapits the body of (Randomly chosing here) M.J (Just like poenix and Jean). Or just an imaginary from Peter's childhood who comes to give him moral support in a time of need.

I would also like to see Master Mold, Nimrod and Bastion, I feel they have not explored the threat posed by the possibility of Sentinel's turning on humans to achive their goals. In fact they have hardly explored anything about the Sentinels at all.

[thndrcypher]

Puma? Hell, why not just go with Ultimate Stilt-Man and Ultimate Stingray?

And they already kinda sorta did Abomination in the Grand Theft America storyline.

And come on, people. We're kidding ourselves if we think there's more than one 616er that needs Ultimationizingness...HOWARD THE DUCK.

I rest my case.

+1. If only the world had more forward-thinkers like you, man.

[worstblogever]

There hasn't been an "Ultimate Ghost Rider" yet, has there?

[fudgekp]

Ultimate Powderkeg

[DeadXMan]

ultimate Mr. Fish

[DeREk FrEEsT]

I don't care who gets ultimized any more as long as they have creativity to them. They have to be far parralled to their main marvel universe counterpart. Also villians need to get more complexed instead of trying to rule the world, it'd like to see more villians who believe what they're doing is right. Or Villians who do it just to do it as well. I want the villians to be characters that want to break the order of how live is. Also I want to see the heroes who get ultimized be complexed as well. Have something going on in their lives that makes it hard for them to accept their powers.

[3D Master]

The Sentry.

It would be damn nice to see the guy actually around since nearly the beginning, instead of suddenly pop up.

Of course, since he isn't a Marvel classic, he can be changed COMPLETELY, as in:

If 616 Sentry is Marvel's Superman, then Ultimate Sentry should be Marvel's version of that other great alien refugee: Son Goku.

He should be a guy that has learned to tap into his chi / ki on Son Goku's level. A late teen or early twenties, who does NOT wear a Super Hero costume, nor a disguise. He should simply be in normal clothes with a belt that contains the S (some kind of family shield thing possibly), thus gaining the nickname Sentry. His chi / ki flame when he really goes all out should be golden, hence his second nickname, the Golden Guardian.

Also, the guy shouldn't be an American at all. I'm thinking part French and part Japanese (from which he learned the chi thing and pushed it way up), and a guy that's truly out to protect the world, and to hell with any individual country. So we should see him operate just about anywhere else, and become beloved over time by the people (and hated by just about every government out there).

There'd be a shit load of potential, including what he would mean to mutants, their status and to themselves, as well as magneto. Here's a normal old human that is faster, more powerful, and has some abilities greater than any mutant.

Something like that would have much, much, and very interesting potential.

[3D Master]

Oh, and I'd like to see the Ultimate version of Jessica Drew aka Spider-Woman aka female clone of Peter Parker with his memories make many more appearances. Hell, give her her own book.

Seeing "Peter Parker" having to handle all the femininity aspects, and his/her sexuality, the "software personality's" versus the "hardware brain wiring" has got to be interesting. After all Peter Parker is into chicks, he's heterosexual, so Jessica Drew's body has got to be heterosexually wired and thus responding to guys, yet the personality formed from the memories is into girls, and that conflict has got to be damn interesting.

The first time she involuntarily checks out a guy's ass, or goes, 'Hm, nice broad shoulders', has got to be the mother ffing, "WHAT THE HELL!? WHAT THE HELL!?" moments ever.

You can pull a shitload of both drama and humor out of the situation.

[hunter_peterson]

I agree. A girl-Peter comic would be hilarious. And the Scorpion should show up again un Ultimate Spidey, bringing the three together and launching the Ultimate Spider-Woman comic.

But really we need new characters that don't suck, like Magician. He sucked. And we need older characters being used again, like the current trend in US.

[Angelus II]

Puma actually isn't too bad...:(

Huh, Ultimate Puma. >>>only if Bendis is doing it.

The puma need to be fix.

[vampireboy97]

1) Ultimate Void,

2) Ultimate MVP

3) Ultimate Julia Carpenter (Spider-woman)

4) Ultimate Ghost Rider

5) Ultimate Mephisto

6) Ultimate Ant-Man Eric O'Grady

7) Ultimate Black Captain America Isiah Bradley

8) Ultimate Red Skull

9) Ultimate Corsair

10) Ultimate Dooplanger

11) Ultimate Amora the Enchantress

12) Ultimate Wrecking Crew

13) Ultimate Echo

14) Ultimate Punisher

15) Ultimate X23

16) Ultimate Hellion

17) Ultimate Elixur

18) Ultimate Mercury

19) Ultimate Hardball

20) Ultimate Night Thrasher

21) Ultimate Warpath

[Animalia]

Ultimate Runaways!

[Angelus II]

Dracul. In issue #96 of USM, Morbius stated that Dracul was his father.

[Chanman]

I would like to see an Ultimate Radius. As an African American.

[hunter_peterson]

More of:
Ultimate Sandman
Ultimate Shocker
Ultimate Scorpion
Ultimate Spider-woman
Ultimate Tarantula, Ultimate Kaine (isn't it more likely Fury took them for research?)
Ultimate Venom
Ultimate Gwen/Carnage (I like the idea, I don't care what they say)
Ultimate Doc Ock

New:
Ultimate Runaways
Ultimate Thunderbolts (only existing villains, maybe a couple new people)
Ultimate Abomination (a new one)
Ultimate Madman

[Frank]

Dracul. In issue #96 of USM, Morbius stated that Dracul was his father.

And they could crossover with Ultimate FF since Doom is a descendant of Vlad the Impaler.


They should make Ultimate Sentry. But call him Ultiman. And give him a totally new origin and purpose. Like of all the superhuman elements that were introduced by the goverment that were insinuated in various Ultimate books would lead to the first super-human birth in a laboratory. I'm thinking a mix of Sentry/The Beyonder/Warlock/Supreme Power's Hyperion were this being awakens and start doing incredible things.

[Netley]

Ultimate Paul Jenkins, his 616 version was a wuss!;)

[mr.clix]

Tell me a well-written Nova wouldn't be fun.

[desanth]

And they could crossover with Ultimate FF since Doom is a descendant of Vlad the Impaler.


They should make Ultimate Sentry. But call him Ultiman. And give him a totally new origin and purpose. Like of all the superhuman elements that were introduced by the goverment that were insinuated in various Ultimate books would lead to the first super-human birth in a laboratory. I'm thinking a mix of Sentry/The Beyonder/Warlock/Supreme Power's Hyperion were this being awakens and start doing incredible things.

I like both ideas except that Sentry could be made by the Nazis(blond hair, blue eyes) as their super soldier, except he was mentally unstable and too powerful so he was locked away(he goes into a comatose state when put a power tank or something that acts as a miniature sun, the source of his powers; after being locked away for almost 70 years being charged up, he goes from slightly stronger than Cap to slightly stronger than Thor level of power; he gets free when a Jewish archaeologist and his team stumble upon the ruins of a underground Nazi compound; Sentry kills them and leaves)

[ThePhenom]

I like both ideas except that Sentry could be made by the Nazis(blond hair, blue eyes) as their super soldier, except he was mentally unstable and too powerful so he was locked away(he goes into a comatose state when put a power tank or something that acts as a miniature sun, the source of his powers; after being locked away for almost 70 years being charged up, he goes from slightly stronger than Cap to slightly stronger than Thor level of power; he gets free when a Jewish archaeologist and his team stumble upon the ruins of a underground Nazi compound; Sentry kills them and leaves)

Wow, I loved that idea...

My idea for the Sentry was that he could've been Phil Sheldon's son who has taken his CWS (Celebrity Worship Syndrome) to a new level and has delusions of being a superhero in an increasingly posthuman world.

[Angelus II]

And they could crossover with Ultimate FF since Doom is a descendant of Vlad the Impaler.


I hate crossover. It just a way that comic book companies made reader pick up books that they don't normaly read.

[ULTIMATE VENOM]

Ultimate Ghost Rider Ultimate Radioactive Man Ultimate Manderine Ultimate Baron Mordo would be good characters to ultimize. Also characters like Doctor Strange Dare Devil Electra and Punisher need to have their own book or mini series.

[Evil-Spidey]

I want:
Ultimate Chameleon
Ultimate Mysterio (not just as an actor)
Ultimate Jackal
Ultimate Hydro-Man
Ultimate Roderick Kingsley
Ultimate Morlun
Ultimate Alistar Smythe
Ultimate Tombstone
Ultimate Adrian Toomes (other than the video game)
Ultimate Jack O'Lantern
Ultimate Robot Master
Ultimate Scarlet-Spider
Ultimate Shriek
Ultimate Cardiac
Ultimate Puma
Ultimate Spidercide

[JackBurton01]

Ultimate Red Skull
Ultimate Task Master
Ultimate Dark Hawk
Ultimate wonder man

[chronicboredom]

NONONO! No more characters, that is the problem, they introduced so many of the 'best' characters all at once and couldn't give them all decent stories. The writers (especially of ultimate x-men) need to take a step back and work of placing the characters we have into good, meaningful storylines and only add new characters when needed.
Also, I think they should move away from ultimizing characters from the 616 and move towards making characters from scratch. If they can't do that successfully then the ultimate universe is a failure in my opinion.

[Angelus II]

Chameleon
Mysterio
Jackal
Tombstone
Jack O'Lantern

[Gloom Cookie]

I wouldn't mind seeing Ultimate Hydro-Man. I'm surprised they haven't done him yet.

[HeckBoy]

Ultimate Ghost Rider Ultimate Radioactive Man Ultimate Manderine Ultimate Baron Mordo would be good characters to ultimize. Also characters like Doctor Strange Dare Devil Electra and Punisher need to have their own book or mini series.Daredevil and Electra have already been ultimatized and been featured in a mini. IIRC Joe Q. said no to a Ultimate Daredevil ongoing simply b/c he's just way too similar to the 616 version to really justify it.

[Blader5489]

I don't think you people understand the point of the Ultimate universe.

[Brian M.]

NONONO! No more characters, that is the problem, they introduced so many of the 'best' characters all at once and couldn't give them all decent stories. The writers (especially of ultimate x-men) need to take a step back and work of placing the characters we have into good, meaningful storylines and only add new characters when needed.
Also, I think they should move away from ultimizing characters from the 616 and move towards making characters from scratch. If they can't do that successfully then the ultimate universe is a failure in my opinion.

What this guy said. Less is suppose to be more in the Ultimate Universe. It's suppose to be more than just ANOTHER alternate reality.

[Evil-Spidey]

NONONO! No more characters, that is the problem, they introduced so many of the 'best' characters
Yeah no more characters let's just reuse the old characters over and over and over again. Can't wait for the next 50 Magneto story arcs!

[Brian M.]

Yeah no more characters let's just reuse the old characters over and over and over again. Can't wait for the next 50 Magneto story arcs!

Talk about missing the point.

[Evil-Spidey]

Having only a handfull of characters would give us a new Magneto story arc in UXM each month and a new Green Goblin arc in USM, how fresh and exciting. Like a wise man once said the Ultimate Universe is supposed to be more than just ANOTHER alternate reality.

By the way USM introduced 1 super villain in it's first 7 issues. Amazing Spider-Man introduced 5 in the same amount of issues.

[Brian M.]

Having only a handfull of characters would give us a new Magneto story arc in UXM each month and a new Green Goblin arc in USM, how fresh and exciting. Like a wise man once said the Ultimate Universe is supposed to be more than just ANOTHER alternate reality.

By the way USM introduced 1 super villain in it's first 7 issues. Amazing Spider-Man introduced 5 in the same amount of issues.

You make it sound like they would reduce the number of characters, that's not what he or I am saying. There are already SO many characters that were introduced in the last 3 years that we could get ample amounts of good, creative stories outta them. Develop those newer characters before cranking out more characters...Kirkman I'm looking RIGHT AT YOU!

[Shadow ES]

Ultimate Radioactive Man

http://www.superquattrone.com/Radioactive_Man_Number_One_v_1024.jpg

:eek:

[TheAmazingSpidey]

Back in the day, I thought the guy running around as Spider-Man in the Public Scrutiny arc would be revealed as Chameleon. Although I did like the "just some guy" aspect of it.

And Gloom Cookie mentioned Hydro-Man. I mentioned a while back--somewhere--about bringing him in, too. I think Bendis could deliver a pretty funny Spidey/Hydro-Man fight. [I'd expect Hydro to appear as Omega Red, Vulture, etc. did--not to carry an entire arc all by himself.]

[Sam T.]

I'm not a fan of the Ultimate Universe. No more Ultimized characters!

[JackBurton01]

If you are not a fan why would you care?

[Sam T.]

If you are not a fan why would you care?

Because I'm a fan of Marvel...thats why!

[ThePhenom]

Because I'm a fan of Marvel...thats why!

Then why post here, in the Ultimate forum?

[Evil-Spidey]

Then why post here, in the Ultimate forum?

Because he likes to annoy / provocate people it seems

[Mr. Sam]

Yeah. Was a fairly random post. Although, to be fair, it's a valid answer. It'd be far more interesting if he backed it up, of course.

[Evil-Spidey]

Does anyone want some new characters getting ultimized like Ultimate Menace, Ultimate Mr.Negative or Ultimate Jackpot?

[carabas]

Did anyone want the 616 versions?

[ULTIMATE VENOM]

I know a perfect character for ultimization. Ultimate New Goblin.

Real Name: Jason Kingsley

Known Aliases: New Goblin.

Identity: Known to Spider-Man and Spot.

Occupation: Oscorp Factory Worker.

Citizenship: United States with no criminal record.

Place of Birth: New York.

Marital Status: Single.

Known Relatives: Father, Mother (dead), Sister.

Group Affliction: None.

Education: College Education.

History: Jason was an Oscorp factory worker but was out of the job after Normans father took control off the factory and layed off a bunch of people. Jason not having any work spent time on a suit in his fathers basement. He created a sky stick and put together an outfit. He then started fighting crime and even helped Spider-Man beat the Spot. Spider-Man jokingly called him new goblin when Jason was useing what he called pumkin bombs. When the Spot broke out off jail and held his mother prisoner he tried to use a pumkin bomb to distrct Spot but Spot used a portal the teleported the bomb back to Jasons face disfiguing his face. Spot was only stoped by spider-Man after Spot threw Jasons mother of a building into an office bulding. Jason realizing his life is to dangerous for his family he moves out of his fathers basement and fights crime on the streets trying to make a difference.

Height: 5'10"
Weight: 180 lbs.
Eyes: Dark Brown
Hair: Brown

Superhuman powers: No Powers.
Abilities: Has a high knowledge of wepons and technology.
Paraphernalia: Jason mainly uses pumkin bombs and a lazer like sword to fight crime. He also uses razor bats and a sky stick for fights that take to the air. His goggles have lock on target and increased vision feautres.

[Evil-Spidey]

Did anyone want the 616 versions?

Lol no but Bendis could do it and make them actually worth something.

[CrazyEyes]

Ultimate She-Hulk: May be done in later issues of Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk, but it would make a nice change to see how they make her differ from her 'classic' persona

Ultimate Apocalypse: A decent take on Apocalypse, not some really lame take as seen curretly in UXM. Why make such a thing of his arrival, then turn him into another villian that simply smashes things and using threatening words?

Ultimate Onslaught: Again, a decent take on him is in order fast. You have no idea how disapointed i was when i saw the cover preview, and then found out the truth? Link his return to the events in Washinton in TPB1 with Xavier defeating Magneto

Ultimate Banshee: New X-Man, give him an intresting arc.

[TheAmazingSpidey]

Uh, I'd rather have older, more well known characters be 'ultimized' before they go ultimizing characters that just appeared a few months ago in a different reality.

Those guys just started. Give 'em a chance.

[Evil-Spidey]

I think Bendis would be able to ultimize even super lame characters like Morlun, Tracer or Menace, he could actually make those characters work.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

You make it sound like they would reduce the number of characters, that's not what he or I am saying. There are already SO many characters that were introduced in the last 3 years that we could get ample amounts of good, creative stories outta them. Develop those newer characters before cranking out more characters...Kirkman I'm looking RIGHT AT YOU!

But the problem is they starting to run out of ideas for the characters they already introduced:

Ultimate Gobby is dead, Ultime Kingpin has been arrested and Ultimate Ock is still in prison, it would silly if all these villains came back right away.

So, why can't sandman get his own arc?

[Evil-Spidey]

But the problem is they starting to run out of ideas for the characters they already introduced:

Ultimate Gobby is dead, Ultime Kingpin has been arrested and Ultimate Ock is still in prison, it would silly if all these villains came back right away.

How do you get the idea Bendis runs out of ideas? After 120 issues and 8 years worth of storys we finally saw the conclusion for two of the storylines Bendis had running from the beginning of USM (the Goblins + Kingpin), that's actually very good. He is not runnning out of ideas. Unlike the regular marvel universe where they after 40 years are now finally out of ideas and just decide to eliminate the last 20 years of continuity.

[carabas]

So, why can't sandman get his own arc?Because he's a simple thug with all the personality of a dead cockroach. He didn't really strike me as arc-worthy.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

How do you get the idea Bendis runs out of ideas? After 120 issues and 8 years worth of storys we finally saw the conclusion for two of the storylines Bendis had running from the beginning of USM (the Goblins + Kingpin), that's actually very good. He is not runnning out of ideas. Unlike the regular marvel universe where they after 40 years are now finally out of ideas and just decide to eliminate the last 20 years of continuity.


The fact that he did Ultimate Clone Saga and had Ock be Magneto-lite, those are some clues.

Because he's a simple thug with all the personality of a dead cockroach. He didn't really strike me as arc-worthy.

And carnage is such a crowd pleaser, cleearly he deserved an arc fitrst.

Ever heard of character development, they can apply that snadman, instead just using him as a throw away villain thjat never gets mentioned again.

Besides Kingpin, Ock, Venom and Gobby, all the villains in USM are boring throwaway characters, Bendis has nothing to fall back on now that many of those characters have run their course. So its time for some chracter devlopemnt or bendis has to come up with silly excuses to bring back Gobby and Fisk.

[Evil-Spidey]

The fact that he did Ultimate Clone Saga and had Ock be Magneto-lite, those are some clues.

Amazing Spider-Man #7 had the return of the Vulture. I guess Stan Lee just ran out of ideas, they should have just stopped the series at that point.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

Amazing Spider-Man #7 had the return of the Vulture. I guess Stan Lee just ran out of ideas, they should have just stopped the series at that point.

He didn't ruin Vulture in so short a time though, he didn't give outlandish powers out of nowhere.

Its not that Ock reappeared, its that he was mishandled.

[Evil-Spidey]

Its not that Ock reappeared, its that he was mishandled.
Because he's not a 616 clone? It is incredible how insanely entertaining Bendis’ Clone Saga story arc has been. And this is coming from a person who absolutely despised the 616 Clone Saga story arc. Bendis just keeps topping himself issue after issue to turn in one of the best story arcs. I know I may bash on Bendis over on the New Avengers, but I have nothing but the highest praise for his work on Ultimate Spider-Man.I really dig how Bendis is handling Doctor Octopus’ character. In Ultimate Spider-Man, Bendis elevated Doctor Octopus from a goofy Spider-Man villain to one of the most evil, sinister, dangerous and hated Spider-Man villains. This is an excellent example of how a writer can take a villain previously viewed as somewhat of a joke and mold and transform him into a big time Class A villain. Bendis managed to place Doctor Octopus on the same level or possibly even higher than the other great minds in the Ultimate Universe including Reed Richards, Tony Stark and Norman Osborn. And with the revelation that Doctor Octopus can control metal, this villain gets a serious power upgrade as well. Both of these moves convert Doctor Octopus into a Spider-Man villain that I find to be much more detestable and threatening and, therefore, more enjoyable to read about. Doctor Octopus has been elevated to the status of one of Spider-Man greatest nemesis. Doctor Octopus has completely destroyed every aspect of Peter’s life.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

Because he's not a 616 clone? It is incredible how insanely entertaining Bendis’ Clone Saga story arc has been. And this is coming from a person who absolutely despised the 616 Clone Saga story arc. Bendis just keeps topping himself issue after issue to turn in one of the best story arcs. I know I may bash on Bendis over on the New Avengers, but I have nothing but the highest praise for his work on Ultimate Spider-Man.I really dig how Bendis is handling Doctor Octopus’ character. In Ultimate Spider-Man, Bendis elevated Doctor Octopus from a goofy Spider-Man villain to one of the most evil, sinister, dangerous and hated Spider-Man villains. This is an excellent example of how a writer can take a villain previously viewed as somewhat of a joke and mold and transform him into a big time Class A villain. Bendis managed to place Doctor Octopus on the same level or possibly even higher than the other great minds in the Ultimate Universe including Reed Richards, Tony Stark and Norman Osborn. And with the revelation that Doctor Octopus can control metal, this villain gets a serious power upgrade as well. Both of these moves convert Doctor Octopus into a Spider-Man villain that I find to be much more detestable and threatening and, therefore, more enjoyable to read about. Doctor Octopus has been elevated to the status of one of Spider-Man greatest nemesis. Doctor Octopus has completely destroyed every aspect of Peter’s life.

Its a stupid change, it added nothing to the character and wasn't an interesting twist, its too outlandish for the supposed more realsitic UU.

He is just a poor man's Magneto instead being his own character.

Also MJ turning into a monster was stupid, as was the gwen-Carnage clone.

I don't see why they can't focus on a B-lsit villain in USM, instead of using the same overexposed villains over and over again.

[Evil-Spidey]

I
He is just a poor man's Magneto instead being his own character.

Rhino is just a poor man's Hulk instead being his own character.
Electro is just a poor man's Thor instead being his own character.
Vulture is just a poor man's Falcon instead being his own character.
Green Goblin is just a poor man's Hulk instead being his own character.
Beetle is just a poor man's Iron Man instead being his own character.
etc.
We should all only read Superman seeing how he's the first superhero and everyone else is just basiclly a poor man's Superman.


I don't see why they can't focus on a B-lsit villain in USM, instead of using the same overexposed villains over and over again.

Silver Sable, Geldoff, Deadpool, Morbius got their own arcs and the fan reaction i saw on serval message boards were like "stupid Bendis gives every little Spidervillain a 6 issue arc zomg even a non Spider villain Deadpool. Rofl in 616 deadpool ain't no Spidervillain stupid Bendis should know that."

[ULTIMATE VENOM]

Rhino is just a poor man's Hulk instead being his own character.
Electro is just a poor man's Thor instead being his own character.
Vulture is just a poor man's Falcon instead being his own character.
Green Goblin is just a poor man's Hulk instead being his own character.
Beetle is just a poor man's Iron Man instead being his own character.
etc.
We should all only read Superman seeing how he's the first superhero and everyone else is just basiclly a poor man's Superman.


Silver Sable, Geldoff, Deadpool, Morbius got their own arcs and the fan reaction i saw on serval message boards were like "stupid Bendis gives every little Spidervillain a 6 issue arc zomg even a non Spider villain Deadpool. Rofl in 616 deadpool ain't no Spidervillain stupid Bendis should know that."

Befor Deadpool was an assassin so he was kinda evil. And his into the ultimate universe just started, He still needs some character development befor he is completly classified as evil. But Bendis arcs are short.

[Evil-Spidey]

Notice the " and "!
That's what they said. If they make a character similar to the regular marvel universe counterpart they are called lazy. If they change something about the character it's called a stupid change, outlandish or mishandled.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

Rhino is just a poor man's Hulk instead being his own character.
Electro is just a poor man's Thor instead being his own character.
Vulture is just a poor man's Falcon instead being his own character.
Green Goblin is just a poor man's Hulk instead being his own character.
Beetle is just a poor man's Iron Man instead being his own character.
etc.
We should all only read Superman seeing how he's the first superhero and everyone else is just basiclly a poor man's Superman.

The thing is doc Ock wasn't a poor man's anything before the clone saga, he was actually a unique character. It made him less interesting, not more.


Silver Sable, Geldoff, Deadpool, Morbius got their own arcs and the fan reaction i saw on serval message boards were like "stupid Bendis gives every little Spidervillain a 6 issue arc zomg even a non Spider villain Deadpool. Rofl in 616 deadpool ain't no Spidervillain stupid Bendis should know that."

Morbius sucks in general, ditto with Geldoff, Ultimate Deapool sucked as a concept and sable isn't a villian.

Most of those characters sucked off the bat or didn't belong in USM period. Sandman does alone and doesn't completely suck.


Notice the " and "!
That's what they said. If they make a character similar to the regular marvel universe counterpart they are called lazy. If they change something about the character it's called a stupid change, outlandish or mishandled.

BKV revamped some b-list characters in his UXM run and made them interesting , it can done, bendis is just too lazy to do it.
Just because bendis is lazy, doesn't mean it can't be done.

[Evil-Spidey]

The thing is doc Ock wasn't a poor man's anything before the clone saga, he was actually a unique character. It made him less interesting, not more..



It made him more interesting. I explained it in an earlier post. Here:

Because he's not a 616 clone? It is incredible how insanely entertaining Bendis’ Clone Saga story arc has been. And this is coming from a person who absolutely despised the 616 Clone Saga story arc. Bendis just keeps topping himself issue after issue to turn in one of the best story arcs. I know I may bash on Bendis over on the New Avengers, but I have nothing but the highest praise for his work on Ultimate Spider-Man.I really dig how Bendis is handling Doctor Octopus’ character. In Ultimate Spider-Man, Bendis elevated Doctor Octopus from a goofy Spider-Man villain to one of the most evil, sinister, dangerous and hated Spider-Man villains. This is an excellent example of how a writer can take a villain previously viewed as somewhat of a joke and mold and transform him into a big time Class A villain. Bendis managed to place Doctor Octopus on the same level or possibly even higher than the other great minds in the Ultimate Universe including Reed Richards, Tony Stark and Norman Osborn. And with the revelation that Doctor Octopus can control metal, this villain gets a serious power upgrade as well. Both of these moves convert Doctor Octopus into a Spider-Man villain that I find to be much more detestable and threatening and, therefore, more enjoyable to read about. Doctor Octopus has been elevated to the status of one of Spider-Man greatest nemesis. Doctor Octopus has completely destroyed every aspect of Peter’s life.


Morbius sucks in general, ditto with Geldoff, Ultimate Deapool sucked as a concept and sable isn't a villian.

Most of those characters sucked off the bat or didn't belong in USM period. Sandman does alone and doesn't completely suck.
LOL! So a brainless thug is more intersting than a character who actually has some kind of character. You didn't even give any reason you just decide they all suck because you say so. Sandman deserves his own arc and those other guys not also because you say so. I also could imagine Bendis giving Sandman a actual character but how can you look into the future and know how this will look like?


BKV revamped some b-list characters in his UXM run and made them interesting , it can done, bendis is just too lazy to do it.

Mr.Sinister sucks in general, ditto with Fenris, Ultimate Mojo sucked as a concept and Longshot isn't a villian.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

It made him more interesting. I explained it in an earlier post. Here:


I don't buy it.




LOL! So a brainless thug is more intersting than a character who actually has some kind of character. You didn't even give any reason you just decide they all suck because you say so. Sandman deserves his own arc and those other guys not also because you say so. I also could imagine Bendis giving Sandman a actual character but how can you look into the future and know how this will look like?

How where those characters interesting?

Deadpool was another generic anti mutant cyborg, I have a million those. They took a fun character, sucked the fun what of him and something completely bland.

Vampires just don't fit with Spidey too supernatural, so Morbius never fit, ever.

Geldoff was another angsyt mutant punk loser, who hasn't been mentioned since he joined the X-men.

Care to tell why they were good?

As for Sandman Well he had a daughter in the movie, what if he is an abusive dad trying to get his daughter from an ex wife or girlfriend trying to escape his abuse. That turns Sandman from a generic thug, into more of real world evil. That's interesting.




Mr.Sinister sucks in general, ditto with Fenris, Ultimate Mojo sucked as a concept and Longshot isn't a villian.

Nice to meet you Mr. Kettle.

[hunter_peterson]

If I were to Ultimatize a character, I would disregard all aspects of the character except what made them great. And if that fails, I would have them fill an entirely differnt role. Bendis has done the same, examples: Venom, Carnage, Clones, Shocker, Kingpin, Goblins and I liked the throwaway villains. Most supervillains wouldn't reveal their past and motivations on a first encounter anyway. If at all.

And please leave the films out of this.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

If I were to Ultimatize a character, I would disregard all aspects of the character except what made them great. And if that fails, I would have them fill an entirely differnt role. Bendis has done the same, examples: Venom, Carnage, Clones, Shocker, Kingpin, Goblins and I liked the throwaway villains. Most supervillains wouldn't reveal their past and motivations on a first encounter anyway. If at all.

And please leave the films out of this.

No what they stories could be revealed in numerous ways, flash backs, other characters telling Spidey the villain's back story, (police officers, psychologists, family members) etc.

at this point for example 616 Electro is way deeper than Ultimate Electro (616 Electro tried to kill himself and then asked Spidey to help him) that's far more interesting than anything Ultimate Electro has done. Ultimate eelctro has appeared often but nothing has been revealed about him besides the fact he is a stupid, crude thug, can't he have other personality aspects.

Sandman having kid was interesting, not present in the comics, but if he is an abusive husband and father, instead of a sympathetic one, it fits the Ultimate character, makes him different from the movie.

Anyway he doesn't have to have a kid, but do something besides mkaing him another generic thug.

[hunter_peterson]

Can't you have faith that this will happen? He may appear in War of the Sybiotes, you never know what might happen.

[Verminous]

I want to see Jeph Loeb's Ultimates 'ultimized'.

[Evil-Spidey]

As for Sandman Well he had a daughter in the movie, what if he is an abusive dad trying to get his daughter from an ex wife or girlfriend trying to escape his abuse. That turns Sandman from a generic thug, into more of real world evil. That's interesting.

Deadpool had his own ongoing series and later a shared ongoing with Cable. He's a fun character and seems to have quite a few fans. Morbius also had a ongoing and brings variety into Spiderstorys. Venom is actually a good character in the Ultimate line and he still has dozen of potential left. Bendis only used him in 1 storyarc so far and another 1 is upcoming.
If you can use other continuitys to proof Ultrimate Sandman is a better character, then so can i. Even though you should know that Movie Sandman is not Ultimate Sandman and 616 Deadpool not Ultimate Deadpool.


Can't you have faith that this will happen? He may appear in War of the Sybiotes, you never know what might happen.
Like i said before, he seems to have some kind of future telling superpowers.

[carabas]

Morbius sucks in general.It's a vampire thing...

[The Master Meglomaniac]

Deadpool had his own ongoing series and later a shared ongoing with Cable. He's a fun character and seems to have quite a few fans. Morbius also had a ongoing and brings variety into Spiderstorys. Venom is actually a good character in the Ultimate line and he still has dozen of potential left. Bendis only used him in 1 storyarc so far and another 1 is upcoming.
If you can use other continuitys to proof Ultrimate Sandman is a better character, then so can i. Even though you should know that Movie Sandman is not Ultimate Sandman and 616 Deadpool not Ultimate Deadpool.

I'm not saying Ultimate Sandman Ultimate is a better character, I'm asking why isn't he, why does Bendis turn most B-list villains into generic goons, instead of giving them actual characterization.

Saying Ultimate Snadman isn't interesting is kinda pointless, a character is only as interesting as the writer decides to make him or her.

Ultimate deadpool is a perfect example, he is the most generic thing I seen in the UU, anti mutant cyborgs have been overplayed since the 90s, this character has anything about that makes him unique, like the 616 Deadpool does. He is completely ans utterly boring, which is something deadpool shouldn't be. heck why does Deadpool get an arc before Sandman or Electro, he isn't even a Spider-Man villain. Heck carnage is a crappy character in the 616 universe and in the UU, why did he get an arc before them?

[rwsmith]

Well, they could still fix Deadpool IMO. Just have him get damaged really bad and then some former Weapon X scientist (Stryker perhaps, since Cornelius is dead) comes along and injects him with a synthetic healing factor derived from Logan's blood.

Voila! Ultimate Deadpool is reborn with a healing factor and decides to operate as a solo mercenary. This would also set him up to be a great Wolverine villain in the Ultimate-verse.

[carabas]

Voila! Ultimate Deadpool is reborn with a healing factor and decides to operate as a solo mercenary.That's not Ultimate at all. That's exactly like 616 Deadpool. Why bother with an Ultimate Deadpool if you're going to turn him into a carbon copy of the 616 version?

[The Master Meglomaniac]

That's not Ultimate at all. That's exactly like 616 Deadpool. Why bother with an Ultimate Deadpool if you're going to turn him into a carbon copy of the 616 version?

why bother at all is the question. Deadpool didn't need to be Ultimized in the first place.

[rwsmith]

That's not Ultimate at all. That's exactly like 616 Deadpool. Why bother with an Ultimate Deadpool if you're going to turn him into a carbon copy of the 616 version?

Um...I hate to be the one to break this to you, but the vast majority of Ultimate characters are just carbon copies of the original versions. I don't think that making every character vastly different from the 616 version was ever a mandate for this line, rather they just wanted everything to be more streamlined and easier for new readers to follow (especially fans that might be brought in by the movies).

At this point just about every Ultimate character is redundant (except for Ultimate Fury, who is awesome, and Ultimate Cap, who is dead in the 616; also perhaps Jean Grey for the same reason). To be honest I'm not even 100% why the line is still going, other than the fact that it still brings in a decent amount of money for Marvel.

[Evil-Spidey]

That's not Ultimate at all. That's exactly like 616 Deadpool. Why bother with an Ultimate Deadpool if you're going to turn him into a carbon copy of the 616 version?

That's what they want UU to be exactly like 616. Just look at The Master Meglomaniacs post, he says Deadpool is not a Spidervillain in 616 so he is not allowed to be that in the UU. Electro and Sandman are interesting in 616 he says so they must be the same in the UU, Carnage sucks in 616 so he doesn't deserve a arc in UU even though UU + 616 are in a totally diffrent universe. How dare Bendis does not copy all characters 1:1 into the UU. There are enough other UU characters that are very similar to their 616 counterparts or even carbon copys. If you want to read about 616 characters just read 616.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

That's what they want UU to be exactly like 616. Just look at The Master Meglomaniacs post, he says Deadpool is not a Spidervillain in 616 so he is not allowed to be that in the UU. Electro and Sandman are interesting in 616 he says so they must be the same in the UU, Carnage sucks in 616 so he doesn't deserve a arc in UU even though UU + 616 are in a totally diffrent universe. How dare Bendis does not copy all characters 1:1 into the UU. There are enough other UU characters that are very similar to their 616 counterparts or even carbon copys. If you want to read about 616 characters just read 616.

Yes because clealry vilains with motives, back stories and actual characertization are only for the 616 universe, villains that are one dimensional is the name of the game UU.

Bruce Timm came with interesting twists for Mad Hatter and Mr. freeze, why can't Ultimate writers do the same?

Ultimate carnage sucks as well just for different reasons, carnage has never been good, no matter who adapts him. Why would I even want to see Ultimate electro on the pages if his character never goes anywhere? He doesn't have the same as the 616 Electro, but I'm sick of the fact they do nothing with his character.

Making the characters different from their 616 counterparts is not nearly as important as making these characters interesting in the first place. Change for change's sake is stupid, change with a purpose, that's where good writing comes in.


The problem is a lot of new twists on the characters suck:

Iron Man having a body that is 90% brain matter sucks, Deadpool as a generic cyborg villain sucks, cable as future Wolverine sucks, monster clone Carnage sucks.

The twists they gave Nick fury, Mojo and Sinister actually served a purpose and weren't just to make them different. A twist should serve purpose beyond making the character different from their 616 version.

How about coming up with twists that don't suck?

Writers are supposed to creative, if they can't come up with interesting twists for these characters then they shouldn't use them.

Here's thought Egghead and trapster suck in the 616 universe, why not make more dangerous in the UU, instead of less so. Wouldn't that be different than their 616 versions?

[Evil-Spidey]

Bruce Timm came with interesting twists for Mad Hatter and Mr. freeze, why can't Ultimate writers do the same?

Mark Millar came up with interesting twists for Thor, the Skrulls, the Hulk, Loki etc. Bendis came up with interesting twists for Green Goblin, Dr.Octopus, Venom etc. why could Bruce Timm only two?


How about coming up with twists that don't suck?
If i start listing 616 stupid twists now we are still discussing this up to 2035.


Writers are supposed to creative, if they can't come up with interesting twists for these characters then they shouldn't use them.
Then Marvel should cancel Amazing Spider-Man, Uncanny X-Men and serval other books right now.


Making the characters different from their 616 counterparts is not nearly as important as making these characters interesting in the first place.
The Ultimates vol.1 + 2 made the characters in it more intersting than they were in the last 40 years in Avengers.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

Mark Millar came up with interesting twists for Thor, the Skrulls, the Hulk, Loki etc. Bendis came up with interesting twists for Green Goblin, Dr.Octopus, Venom etc. why could Bruce Timm only two?

There's more than those two, have you not seen DCUA, overall a better universe then the UU. If think Timm has revamped those two characters you are saddly mistaken (Brainiac, Toyman, Clock King, heck he invented his own characters to the bat mythos with Harley Quinn and the entire Batman beyond series) Timm can revamp any character, no matter how big or small, the same cannot be said for Ultimate writers.

Timm made clock King interesting, show me an Ultimatization that improved upon a D-lister.

Now those characters mentioned, except for ock, I will agree with, they got good twists.

But how many b-list characters in the UU can you say that about? Besides venom, Gobby, Ock and Kingpin, all the Spidey rogues are crap.

Most ultimate villains are as deep as your average silver age villain.


If i start listing 616 stupid twists now we are still discussing this up to 2035.

Yes but with the 616 universe its a process of trail and error, with the uU they had the 616 universe to see what worked and what didn't and they still have stupid things like Stark being 90% brain matter.

the 616 universe took 30 years to fall apart, the UU just took 8.


Then Marvel should cancel Amazing Spider-Man, Uncanny X-Men and serval other books right now.

At this point they should.


The Ultimates vol.1 + 2 made the characters in it more intersting than they were in the last 40 years in Avengers.

High debatable, but it was interesting twist.

Again can you answer my question, if 616 Trapster sucks, why not make him a dangerous in the UU? Wouldn't that be different.

[Evil-Spidey]

There's more than those two, have you not seen DCUA, overall a better universe then the UU.
That's what you call an opinion. Mine is that that cartoon sucks but i love USM and the first 2 Ultimates volumes.


Besides venom, Gobby, Ock and Kingpin, all the Spidey rogues are crap. Still you want to have whole arcs about those like you called them crappy characters.

Yes but with the 616 universe its a process of trail and error, with the uU they had the 616 universe to see what worked and what didn't and they still have stupid things like Stark being 90% brain matter.
Opinion.

the 616 universe took 30 years to fall apart
"Lame twists like having superpowers made it fall apart in it's first year."


At this point they should.
The 100 000-50 000 people who read it month in month out think otherwise.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

Double post

[The Master Meglomaniac]

That's what you call an opinion. Mine is that that cartoon sucks but i love USM and the first 2 Ultimates volumes.

DCUA never had anything as stupid as Ultimates vol. 3. Game set, match.


Still you want to have whole arcs about those like you called them crappy characters.

But they didn't have be crappy and they still don't if someone bothers to give them some character development. If Bendis can do that with Purple Man, I don't see why he can't do that here.


Opinion.

Yes and clearly your opinions are exactly the same as facts. :rolleyes:


"Lame twists like having superpowers made it fall apart in it's first year."

Yes, because something that was the foundation of the marvel universe, is exactly like a lame twist you would see in a 90s comic. :rolleyes:



The 100 000-50 000 people who read it month in month out think otherwise.

Popularity does not equal quality. Otherwise in 2002 Britney Spears would have been considered the best singer ever.

You still haven't answered my question, if the UU is supposed to be different from
616 way aren't lame 616 characters like Trapster made more dangerous in UU?

[fanboy333]

have they ultimated punisher yet?

[Angelus II]

have they ultimated punisher yet?

Yeah. In Ultimate Spider-Man couple times.

[desanth]

DCUA never had anything as stupid as Ultimates vol. 3. Game set, match.


I have to agree, Ultimates Vol. 3 is pretty damn stupid.