Who is Menace? Megathread

[riotgear]

Does anyone else think it's Harry Osborn?

[ZT4]

Menace is bad writing. You heard it here first!

[riotgear]

Well, the whole thing is...

[darksaint124]

Menace is JJJ.
You heard it here first.

[The Confessor]

Menace is Gabriel, the evil Stacy/Osborn twin from Sins Past.

Search your feelings, you know it to be true! :evilsmile

[tv horror]

It could be the twins, only this time it is Peter who was the father. Then we have Mr Li explode his dna bomb and kill both Jackpot and the Gray (Menace) goblin using Peters blood.

[Matt Linton]

Menace is MJ's secret daughter from that time she got bored and slept with Doc Ock. It happened during Kraven's Last Hunt, all evidence to the contrary.

[DMike]

Joe Quesada?

[TheAmazingSpidey]

Menace is Gabriel, the evil Stacy/Osborn twin from Sins Past.

Search your feelings, you know it to be true! :evilsmile



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[Expletive Deleted]

Crowne, the new owner of the Bugle, seems to be getting the lion's share of the foreshadowing.

[Shade 20x6]

A poor Green Goblin/Hobgoblin rip-off.

[Matt Linton]

Or, Menace could be to Hobgoblin what Hobgoblin was to Green Goblin. Just depends on the execution, which we haven't seen yet.

[darksaint124]

Crowne, the new owner of the Bugle, seems to be getting the lion's share of the foreshadowing.

He's Mephisto. I remember an interview from a few months ago when they said that Mephisto would have a connection to the Bugle. Crappy memory powers ACTIVATE!!!(of course I could be wrong)

[The Confessor]

He's Mephisto. I remember an interview from a few months ago when they said that Mephisto would have a connection to the Bugle. Crappy memory powers ACTIVATE!!!(of course I could be wrong)

Really? It could certainly be interesting if Mephisto shows up again. Especially if it results in everything going back to how it was pre-OMD.

I don't suppose you can remember where you saw/heard this?

[DarKye]

Really? It could certainly be interesting if Mephisto shows up again. Especially if it results in everything going back to how it was pre-OMD.

I don't suppose you can remember where you saw/heard this?

It was said during an interview on Newsarama, I remember it as well.
It was something like "Oh, and Mephisto buys the Daily Bugle". Also, yet another interview weeks before that said that Mephisto was going to be part of the cast. Was that tongue in cheek or not? I'm not sure.

I'll paste the links if I find them.

Edit: Found the link. (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=139280&highlight=Mephisto)

[Chiasm]

Menace is Jackpot. And both are Mary Jane. We aren't quite sure what the deal MJ made with Mephisto is but it obviously involved her getting powers. But Mephisto threw a monkey wrench into so that MJ will periodically turn into Menace without knowing it. Thats why you never saw them together and why Jackpot convienently was outside the location where Peter tracked Menace to.

[Matt Linton]

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Jackpot and Menace aren't the same person.

[Monty_Cristo]

it's someone very thin. i kind of do think it's Harry. the apple never falls too far from the tree. plus, those blades on Menace's gauntlets seem to be lifted straight from Harry's goblin armor from the movie.

[Matt Linton]

I like the theory I've heard that Carlie is Jackpot and MJ is Menace.

[Monty_Cristo]

I like the theory I've heard that Carlie is Jackpot and MJ is Menace.

Carlie is definately Jackpot. but i seriously doubt that MJ is Menace. why would she choose the role of a villain?

[IIX]

It's either Harry or Gaberiel

I hope that costume isn't really Menace because its way overused.

[Matt Linton]

Carlie is definately Jackpot. but i seriously doubt that MJ is Menace. why would she choose the role of a villain?

Bad clams? :)

[Matt Linton]

Thinking about it, maybe she does remember the deal with Mephisto, and the pre-BND continuity, and over the last few months the pain and confusion that's caused has driven her crazy.

[Shade 20x6]

Carlie is definately Jackpot. but i seriously doubt that MJ is Menace. why would she choose the role of a villain?

There is no logical reason for Carlie to be Jackpot. It would be the dumbest, most illogical reveal ever.

Then again, it is Quesada, so who knows.

[Monty_Cristo]

There is no logical reason for Carlie to be Jackpot. It would be the dumbest, most illogical reveal ever.

dead cop father. likes to insinuate herself into crime scenes. the only ingredient missing is fate causing an accident that gives her powers.

[darksaint124]

dead cop father. likes to insinuate herself into crime scenes. the only ingredient missing is fate causing an accident that gives her powers.

I would hope not. If that happened the sea of cliches would never stop.

[matthewaos]

Why use a goblin like costume again if it's a new guy? And why if it is Harry take the identity of Menace? And why his eyes on the cover look stupid?

[Monty_Cristo]

I would hope not. If that happened the sea of cliches would never stop.

like an alien symbiote finding one of Peter's former co-workers; specifically, a one with a grudge against Spider-man? or how about Peter going to work for a newspaper run by a guy with an irrational hatred for Spider-man? or how about the guy who bullied Peter throughout his high school career also being a huge Spider-man fan? should i go on?

[darksaint124]

like an alien symbiote finding one of Peter's former co-workers; specifically, a one with a grudge against Spider-man? or how about Peter going to work for a newspaper run by a guy with an irrational hatred for Spider-man? or how about the guy who bullied Peter throughout his high school career also being a huge Spider-man fan? should i go on?

So exactly WHICH one of those was a cliche?

[Monty_Cristo]

So exactly WHICH one of those was a cliche?

i shouldn't have to explain it. all 3 are the same cliche. you don't see the similarities in all 3? they are a staple of the Spider-man comics; someone in Peter's circle of friends or a co-worker is unknowingly linked to Spider-man, as well.

[matthewaos]

Yeah, this is good from time to time, but it gets old after a while. Or I am getting old...:(

[darksaint124]

i shouldn't have to explain it. all 3 are the same cliche. you don't see the similarities in all 3? they are a staple of the Spider-man comics; someone in Peter's circle of friends or a co-worker is unknowingly linked to Spider-man, as well.

There are similarities, but all three are different situations. Only one of them was a villain that terrorized Peter in both facets of his life, the next was Peter's boss who made Spider-Man's life hell but had a paycheck for Peter. The third was a person who picked on Pete when he was younger but idolized Spider-Man. So how are they the same thing?

[Monty_Cristo]

There are similarities, but all three are different situations. Only one of them was a villain that terrorized Peter in both facets of his life, the next was Peter's boss who made Spider-Man's life hell but had a paycheck for Peter. The third was a person who picked on Pete when he was younger but idolized Spider-Man. So how are they the same thing?

Harry is someone who likes Peter but hates Spider-man. Black Cat is someone who likes Spider-man but has no attraction to Peter. if Carly were Jackpot, she'd be someone who likes Peter but is forced by registration to hunt spider-man. it's still a variation on the same theme.

[DarKye]

if Carly were Jackpot, she'd be someone who likes Peter but is forced by registration to hunt spider-man. it's still a variation on the same theme.

To be fair, exactly the same could be said if Jackpot was MJ.
I don't think the previous reasons are strong enough to motivate her into the superhero business, especially if she's already willing to fight crime as a forensic expert. Dead cop father didn't seem to do it with Gwen either.

[Spiffy]

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Jackpot and Menace aren't the same person.
My theory all along has been that Menace is MJ but Jackpot is NOT. Jackpot is MJ's cousin Kristy, who has been Mephistoized into being hot!

[darksaint124]

Why do they keep teasing us with people and his identity. There is absoulutely no point. It's the same thing with constantly running out of web fluid, at this point its becoming annoying.

[Spiffy]

Why do they keep teasing us with people and his identity. There is absoulutely no point. It's the same thing with constantly running out of web fluid, at this point its becoming annoying.
The second one is easy.

Part of it is that it came from two different writers and even with the new supposed "super editing" and coordination, there may have been a miscommunication over who was using this idea.

The other part is the motive in the first place. They want to "remind" us that the webshooters aren't organic anymore.

[Johnny Drama]

maybe it's someone who hasn't been properly introduced yet?? like those two cops?

the new dude at the bugle or harry are the only candidates at the moment that seem possible.

[The Confessor]

He's Mephisto. I remember an interview from a few months ago when they said that Mephisto would have a connection to the Bugle. Crappy memory powers ACTIVATE!!!(of course I could be wrong)


It was said during an interview on Newsarama, I remember it as well.
It was something like "Oh, and Mephisto buys the Daily Bugle". Also, yet another interview weeks before that said that Mephisto was going to be part of the cast. Was that tongue in cheek or not? I'm not sure.

I'll paste the links if I find them.

Edit: Found the link. (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=139280&highlight=Mephisto)

Going back to the comments made by darksaint124 and DarKye above, Menace could very well be Mephisto. Just look at those 'Hellboy' style blunted horns coming out of his forehead. Very demonic if you ask me.

[CyberHubbs]

Menace is a clone of MJ driven insane by the realization that 'it' should not exist.

[Maestro]

Menace should be a new character much like Green Goblin turned out to be Norman Osborn.

[Matt Linton]

Why do they keep teasing us with people and his identity. There is absoulutely no point. It's the same thing with constantly running out of web fluid, at this point its becoming annoying.

If those things are bugging you so much in the 4 issues of Brand New Day, I'm going to guess you aren't reading many superhero comics. The "mystery villain" thing is pretty much a staple of superhero books.

As for the webshooters, that's generally been Peter's kryptonite. He's only been without them for about, what, four years? Were you sick of them before that?

[DarKye]

As for the webshooters, that's generally been Peter's kryptonite. He's only been without them for about, what, four years? Were you sick of them before that?

Personally, it's the volume of webshooter related issues that bugs me.
First he gets mugged and loses one, then he runs out of webbing. Now he runs out of webbing again.
It's fine if it happens every now and then, but 3 out of 4 issues showed some problem related to them, which gets to be really annoying.

[Matt Linton]

Someone on another thread made the point that he lost one webshooter, then used all the webbing in the one that he had left, and at the moment can't afford to make more. Viewed that way, it's more a continuing of the same story than a repeated gimmick. YMMV.

I'll admit to that being one of the things that bothered me about 549, though.

[rZi]

Maybe it could be a character we have not seen? Like ditko wanted the original green goblin to be a stranger, i.e. an un-introduced person.

[darksaint124]

If those things are bugging you so much in the 4 issues of Brand New Day, I'm going to guess you aren't reading many superhero comics. The "mystery villain" thing is pretty much a staple of superhero books.

As for the webshooters, that's generally been Peter's kryptonite. He's only been without them for about, what, four years? Were you sick of them before that?

Yes, I prefer my Spider-Man bonded to the symbiote with "real" organic shooters.


J/K:p

[TheAmazingSpidey]

I mentioned this before, (in a different thread), but--

--as I was reading Peter and Lily's conversation in Amazing #550, the thought of Lily being Menace popped into my mind.


It's possible.

[Red Lotus]

I mentioned this before, (in a different thread), but--

--as I was reading Peter and Lily's conversation in Amazing #550, the thought of Lily being Menace popped into my mind.


It's possible.

I didn't think she was Menace, but when I first saw Menace the first thing I thought was that he would really be a she.

[TheAmazingSpidey]

I didn't think she was Menace, but when I first saw Menace the first thing I thought was that he would really be a she.

Yeah, Menace seems to have a feminine-like figure...

[Shade 20x6]

Menace is probably Liz Allen/Osborn. :p

[JesseJay]

While I do believe menace is an established character, It would be ironic if his/her identity wasen't decided on yet. much like the green goblin and the hobgoblin's identities when they were first introduced.

[IRONY...]

Menace is Jackpot. And both are Mary Jane. We aren't quite sure what the deal MJ made with Mephisto is but it obviously involved her getting powers. But Mephisto threw a monkey wrench into so that MJ will periodically turn into Menace without knowing it. Thats why you never saw them together and why Jackpot convienently was outside the location where Peter tracked Menace to.

nice theory man...

[666andahalf]

Phil Urich maybe? Perhaps he went crazy or something...

'Course they might just want it to be someone from the BND cast, which would make his/her identity easier to figure out.

[Rigas]

I think its Kaine the Spider-Clone!

I wouldnt put it past Joe Q, I mean The Blue Shield! come on!

[Monty_Cristo]

Yeah, Menace seems to have a feminine-like figure...

i'm not seeing it. where are the boobs? what's with the muscular forearms? why is Menace the same size as spidey, physically?

[Johnny Drama]

Maybe it could be a character we have not seen? Like ditko wanted the original green goblin to be a stranger, i.e. an un-introduced person.

Much love and admiration for Ditko, but that idea was always stupid. It would have been a real story killer and a major letdown to have this awesome, mysterious villain revealed as some Joe Schmo we've never seen before. From a realistic stance, it makes perfect sense, but from a storytelling stance it would've been the biggest wet blanket of all time.

I'm glad Lee's vision got the go ahead.

[Matt Linton]

I hadn't even considered Lily being Menace, but it makes a lot of sense.

[Titanium]

Menace is MJ.

[darksaint124]

i'm not seeing it. where are the boobs? what's with the muscular forearms? why is Menace the same size as spidey, physically?

Pete is actually one of the slimmest heroes around.

[Tobias Drake]

Yeah, I'm voting MJ.

[TheOnlyXTremeFan]

It's JJJ's wife.

[DeadXMan]

this is probably the Rum talking, but what if Menace is Normie Osborn, Harry's Son?
goblin children do have accelerated growth , he mentions the failings of the past goblins(his father and grandfather), and is taking out the composition for the candidate his father is backing up(perhaps it his way of helping his father as harry help Norman)

[Chase_Stein]

I really think that Menace is that guy fired by DB during the first issue of this arc. He's not an obvious choice plus he (probably) hates DB's new management, ergo, falling letter "U" and murder...

[666andahalf]

It's JJJ's wife.

You know, I was reading the latest issue after I read you post, and I was watching her very closely...

[RazorBats79]

Menace is......
in poor form. Yet I'm still buying the comics. Don't get me wrong, I love all Spider-mans Goblin foes, but to have yet another "Goblin styled" character is making the other, better Goblins look a bit like their common imo.

How is this gonna look when Harry suit's up again??????? Which he will have to eventually! I hope!
I'm also very disappointed that Steve Mcniven wasn't keep on for longer, he has real talent, but I understand that he is probably in great demand.

[Asian_Invasion]

I'm going with Uncle Ben.

[sixela]

<puts my hand up>

Ooh ooh! I know who it is! I know who it is!

Guys listen up.

Menace....Gwenace.

It rhymes...the logic is irrefutable.
:evilsmile

[tv horror]

Hey just like your "irrefutable" sounds like Elmer Fudd(able)!! I think that it is harry's girl, the name escapes at the minute. After all Peter only asked about Harry's whereabouts and who better than Menace to answer that question, what if harry is under some sort of influence and is giving his secrets up without knowing it.

[Matt Linton]

Someone mentioned Lily after the second issue, and it made sense to me then.

[HaroldAllnut]

<puts my hand up>

Ooh ooh! I know who it is! I know who it is!

Guys listen up.

Menace....Gwenace.

It rhymes...the logic is irrefutable.
:evilsmile

Unfortunately, in a world where Brand New Day is reality, that makes an awful lot of sense. Emphasis on awful.

[sixela]

Unfortunately, in a world where Brand New Day is reality, that makes an awful lot of sense. Emphasis on awful.

.....yeah, even the Scarlet Witch is like, "WTF happened here."
:evilsmile

[Monty_Cristo]

<puts my hand up>

Ooh ooh! I know who it is! I know who it is!

Guys listen up.

Menace....Gwenace.

It rhymes...the logic is irrefutable.
:evilsmile

well Lily was also the name of one of the Munsters. Menace looks like a monster. plus they both have fake hair. hmmmm.

[sixela]

well Lily was also the name of one of the Munsters. Menace looks like a monster. plus they both have fake hair. hmmmm.

Man, you are blowing my mind. You put the dark knight to shame!
:evilsmile

[Monty_Cristo]

Man, you are blowing my mind. You put the dark knight to shame!
:evilsmile

well, in my spare time, i do sit around my cubicle wearing a question mark-covered leotard. my co-workers hate that i don't wear underwear.

[Diablito]

Dennis??? ?

[Monty_Cristo]

then again. we could be overlooking someone even closer to Peter. what about Robbie? Mr. Robertson is clearly black. you know who else is clearly black? Boyz II Men. Boyz II Men. Menace!

[sixela]

then again. we could be overlooking someone even closer to Peter. what about Robbie? Mr. Robertson is clearly black. you know who else is clearly black? Boyz II Men. Boyz II Men. Menace!


You know what else...Boys II Men sang, "Its so hard to say goodbye to yesterday."


The comic is "Brand New Day."

Whooooaaaaaaaaa..............dude.
:evilsmile

[Monty_Cristo]

You know what else...Boys II Men sang, "Its so hard to say goodbye to yesterday."


The comic is "Brand New Day."

Whooooaaaaaaaaa..............dude.
:evilsmile

hadn't even thought of that. you're good! a little tooo good. skrull.

[sixela]

hadn't even thought of that. you're good! a little tooo good. skrull.

Ahhh...but you were the first one to make the link. I merely expanded on your well thought out theory...

Besides, skrulls hate BoyzIIMen. They're more Color me Badd fans.

Wait a second...how do I know that? <scratches his corrugated chin>
:evilsmile

[Dr. Chaos]

I like the idea of it being Bennet.

Somehow it fits and it would be a good way to get rid of him when they're ready to get JJJ back on the horse.

[RazorBats79]

I agree it could be someone Peter knows. But didn't Spidey try and pull Menace's mask off an issue or two ago??
Although Menace could be like Hobgoblin (one of them), in that he really looks the way he appears. It sometimes seems odd to me that if some of these villains REALLY want Spider-man dead, that they would at least try a different approach or look. I guess it wouldn't make any difference though, as his spider-sense would still work the same.

[RazorBats79]

I agree it could be someone Peter knows. But didn't Spidey try and pull Menace's mask off an issue or two ago??
Although Menace could be like Hobgoblin (one of them), in that he really looks the way he appears. It sometimes seems odd to me that if some of these villains REALLY want Spider-man dead, that they would at least try a different approach or look. I guess it wouldn't make any difference though, as his spider-sense would still work the same.

[Verminous]

I think its Kaine the Spider-Clone!

I wouldnt put it past Joe Q, I mean The Blue Shield! come on!

I don't think Joe Q is the writer!!!! The Blue Shield has appeared previously.

[stillanerd]

While I think that the whole Menace subplot is nothing more than a rehash of the Hobgoblin storyline from 20 years ago (and that Menace is a weaker character), I still will “play along” with the mystery in terms of who are the likely suspects:

1. Harry Osborn--Has a history of being the Green Goblin so would have familiarity with Goblin technology, not to mention that there’s the whole question as to what exactly he was up to in Europe besides convalescing. However, he’s also the most obvious suspect and will therefore will turn out to be innocent despite all the suspicion falling on him. Plus, he has an alibi in Lily, although I’m sure that will end up that Lily lied to Peter about this, which of course will raise suspicion again. Also, Harry never actually killed anyone while he was the Goblin, even though he threatened the lives of Spidey’s loved ones. He always gave Spidey a chance and clues to save them, plus he didn’t even kill Peter when he had the chance. So why would he decapitate a bunch of thugs?

2. Dexter Bennet--Menace prominently attacks the Daily Bugle in broad daylight; then Bennet calls a staff meeting and offers a $10,000 “reward” to anyone who can get a picture of “Menace” (which, correct me if I’m wrong, but HE came up with the name) in an obvious attempt to boost the circulation of the “DB.” And considering how he bought out the Bugle from Jameson, we KNOW this guy is shady. However, I don’t believe Bennet is Menace--but I do believe he is in cahoots with whoever Menace is. In a sense, in a twist on Peter taking pictures of himself as Spider-Man, then selling them to Jameson who, not knowing his own photographer is the “wall-crawling menace,” uses those photos to tarnish Spidey’s image and boost circulation. Same thing here with Bennet and Menace, only in this case, Bennet is in on the scheme.

3. Bill Hollister--Considering how Menace targeted the city councilwoman who was running for Mayor and that she’s now dead, and that Hollister was also running for mayor, this guy is likely going to have a boost in the polls as a result. That suggests that Menace has something to gain for trying to get her out of the race. Plus, considering how Menace appears to be causing random acts of violence, a mayoral candidate can use that as an anti-crime platform, especially if the candidate also happens to be the District Attorney like Hollister. And considering how Harry--a guy who has an infamous reputation with women, whose father was also the Green Goblin--is dating Hollister’s daughter, Lily, the Menace guise could be used to throw suspicion on Harry. In addition, being a DA, he would have connections to Dexter Bennet, which, as I said, may have partnered himself with Menace to have exclusive news for the DB. But as compelling circumstantial evidence as that is, Hollister, I think is another false lead, in that he is a likely, but less suspicious suspect, connected to Menace, but is not actually Menace.

4. Lily Hollister--Many have sighted how lithe Menace looks, believing that perhaps he is actually a she. Lily is likely for the same reasons her father could be Menace, in that she would want her father to succeed as mayor. She could also have access to Goblin technology since she is dating Harry, whom she would know about his father obviously, and could have secretly found a stash from OsCorp. However, the more I think about it, the more I believe it might not be her. Not because of the alibi she gave Peter about being with Harry, but because she apparently actually loves him. I think that, as the mystery behind Menace goes on, Lily might believe that it’s Harry and will try to protect him by providing alibis and excuses for him, especially if he’s absent. However, she could be protecting the wrong friend.

5. Carlie Cooper--It fits in with the idea that Menace is a woman theory, AND it connects with Hollister as well, and gives her the same motives, and more. How? Well, she essentially has been raised by the Hollister’s since her father’s death, so her being Menace and going after one of his campaign rivals would be a way of “thanking” Hollister for all he’s done for her. Likewise, having a connection with Hollister AND the NYPD would let her have access to Dexter Bennet as well. Her background in science would also be an asset in operating the Goblin gear and making whatever modifications she can do to it. The fact that her father might have been a well-respected cop and yet she is often ignored gives her a chance to prove that she is more than a bookworm, considering how she specifically went after and killed criminals. The fact that she rooms with Lily, who is dating Harry, also gives her opportunity to find out information on him, thus providing her with possible locations of Goblin technology. Also, my guess is that she can't stand Harry and believes he’s wrong guy for Lily, etc., so her being a "goblin" could be used to frame him and get him out of Lily's life. Her being Menace also provides drama in her relationship towards Peter. It seems quite apparent that the “brain trust” are planning on having Peter and Carlie engage in some kind of relationship for that “soap opera aspect.” Well, what could be more soap opera than to have Peter gradually be attracted to Carlie after rebounding from MJ, only to have her turn out to be a murderous supervillian, and one who dresses like a “Goblin” to boot. And what could be more ironic than having the woman that’s the villain fall in love with the civilian identity of her arch-enemy?

[tv horror]

I did think that it was Lily for a while, now I am convinced it is Bill Hollister. He seems to want to stay in the background concerning politics the same way that menace reacted to the death of the council-woman it was not part of the plan. As for jackpot it can only be Lily as she claims that she and Menace are old enemies.

[rZi]

My guess was bill....maybe lily. Harry the goblin dating a goblin, hurrah

[tv horror]

i just had a thought, what if hollister was the prototype Goblin even before Norman. That would explain how his daughter would have superpowers and why Harry has close ties with the hollister family. likewise if he was norman's underling then it stands to reason that he would use Harry in the same way.

[Venom]

After the events that have happened in the past few issues, I think Menace is Bill Hollister.

[Matt Linton]

Lily seems a more likely candidate than Bill. Menace has a small, slim build, possibly female. Access to some kind of Goblin-related technology. Lily is pushing her father to run for mayor, and Menace just got one of his biggest reasons for not running out of the race. There's also a nice dichotomy set up if Carlie is Jackpot and Lily is Menace, echoing the Peter/Harry relationship.

[bcw83]

All I know is that they could have come up with a more original name than "Menace" ohhhhh scary, "I'M THE MENACE :evilsmile " gee, that's never been done before....

[Matt Linton]

"Menace" is no worse than "Venom", "Carnage", "Mr. Fear", and countless other villain names. And Menace didn't name him/herself.

[JamesOliva]

"Menace" is no worse than "Venom", "Carnage", "Mr. Fear", and countless other villain names. And Menace didn't name him/herself.

Agreed.

Freak has a much less creative name.

[gunnerfan69]

Looking at 'Menace' I thought it would be ironic if he/she/it was Mary Jane

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/T-long/Spiderman-SpidermanMenaceFight-2.jpg

Menace does have long red hair after all. :eek:

[Mister Mets]

Looking at 'Menace' I thought it would be ironic if he/she/it was Mary Jane

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/T-long/Spiderman-SpidermanMenaceFight-2.jpg

Menace does have long red hair after all. :eek:There's been speculation that MJ has been split into Menace and Jackpot.

[The Confessor]

There's been speculation that MJ has been split into Menace and Jackpot.

Am I right in thinking that nothing's been officially revealed about this yet though?

[Mr. Earl Brooks]

Mary Jane normally has nicer boobers.

That's right. Boobers.

[Mister Mets]

Am I right in thinking that nothing's been officially revealed about this yet though?Absolutely correct.

[yadadaimhollaing]

next to killing her id laugh my ass off if she was menace. if her personality was split into jackpot and menace i wouldnt really like that.

[Rahul]

There's been speculation that MJ has been split into Menace and Jackpot.
I think the current direction of Spider-Man is simple stories, not the Grant Morrison type level.

[ZT4]

I think the current direction of Spider-Man is simple stories, not the Grant Morrison type level.

The current direction is to be as intentionally "old school" as possible so as to prepare/celebrate the 600th issue of ASM (I've seen something similar happen ten years ago with Superman...albiet it didnt take a whole year, it took two months), but there is a much bigger story being built up that, whilst certaingly not on a Morrison level, is certaingly on a Dan Slott level.

[oldschool]

The current direction is to be as intentionally "old school" as possible so as to prepare/celebrate the 600th issue of ASM (I've seen something similar happen ten years ago with Superman...albiet it didnt take a whole year, it took two months), but there is a much bigger story being built up that, whilst certaingly not on a Morrison level, is certaingly on a Dan Slott level.

Do you have proof of this (interview/solicits somewhere)? Or is this just a guess? It happens to be what I feel will happen as well but, as far as I know, it is just a hunch.

[ZT4]

Do you have proof of this (interview/solicits somewhere)? Or is this just a guess? It happens to be what I feel will happen as well but, as far as I know, it is just a hunch.

Oh it's just a guess. Slott's style is also very much a love-letter to continuity we take for granted at times (see his She-Hulk stuff)

I've also wondered if Ben Carr has anything to do with Peter, like Peter's answer to Sarah Ehret ("Ben" and "Carr" sounding, not neccersairly spelling out "Ker")

[seven7VII]

Maybe Menace is Ben Reily or.......UNCLE BEN!:biggrin:

[Toku King]

I already know who Menace is. Menace is a crappy Goblin rip off with no actual new gimmick or exiting story to keep my attention.

[spider-like-me]

Hey everyone--my first post.

I have had my own odd theory for Menace--don't boot me my first day!

I have thought for a while that Menace might be Lily Hollister. Why?


-By attaching Anne Parfrey, her father can enter the race,
-Menace only threatens Mr. Hollister, perhaps to throw off the trail,
-She'd have access to the goblin equipment though Harry,
-Harry is clearly not worried about Lily's public chiding of Menace,
-There is so much talk about Lily's beauty and Menace's ugliness,
-Peter is drawn to her, but it's in a sort of creepy way,
-And she's got the hair and reddish eyes.


Well, maybe I'm crazy. But I'd find that story more interesting than Marry Jane. I too could do with a lot less MJ for a while. Cooper is a fine fit!

[Cyclopsj316]

I think Menace is the Red Hulk...

I know what your thinking.. "So who is Red Hulk" ???

That's easy. Red Hulk is Menace. I just told you that, silly :tongue:




Mary Jane normally has nicer boobers.

That's right. Boobers.



" Hans... BOOBY... I'm your white knight. " :biggrin:

If you know where the above quote comes from, you are a da man,... for a day.

[ZT4]

Well, maybe I'm crazy. But I'd find that story more interesting than Marry Jane

Wait until you're married, then you'll find her story all the much better

[Winter Bolt]

I'd like to have Menace be a Mephisto created portion of Peter and MJ's guilt and selfishness. Same with Jackpot being a combination of the hero that MJ never was saddled with the emotional weight and responsibility Peter always carried. Sort of an amalgamated pre destiny/fate thing. JP did call dibs on Menace as being her baby after all so it's fine with me if there turns out to be a connection.

Of course... they will probably turn out to be someone else, I'm always one for giving a writer far too much credit. Probably Lily and Sara or... whatever.

Then again, I would throw out Lily using Harry who goes into strange trances, talks in his sleep, still has bouts of insanity, ect for equipment to outfit Carlie who is brainwashed to do Lily's bidding so then it can't be traced back to her. That still... gives too much soap operish credit. But it sounds so hot! I just don't want Jackpot or Menace to be MJ, but the initials do fit.

[spider-like-me]

Of course... they will probably turn out to be someone else, I'm always one for giving a writer far too much credit. Probably Lily and Sara or... whatever.

Then again, I would throw out Lily using Harry who goes into strange trances, talks in his sleep, still has bouts of insanity, ect for equipment to outfit Carlie who is brainwashed to do Lily's bidding so then it can't be traced back to her. That still... gives too much soap operish credit. But it sounds so hot! I just don't want Jackpot or Menace to be MJ, but the initials do fit.

I could see Harry or Lily using the other in this. Nice ideas.

I don't think that Menace will have anything to do with Jackpot or OMD because it's an inorganic character. Fate doesn't give you a glider.

[Winter Bolt]

Does it at least give you a 777 belt buckle and disco pants?

[Un0]

I'd like to have Menace be a Mephisto created portion of Peter and MJ's guilt and selfishness. Same with Jackpot being a combination of the hero that MJ never was saddled with the emotional weight and responsibility Peter always carried. Sort of an amalgamated pre destiny/fate thing. JP did call dibs on Menace as being her baby after all so it's fine with me if there turns out to be a connection.

Of course... they will probably turn out to be someone else, I'm always one for giving a writer far too much credit. Probably Lily and Sara or... whatever.

Then again, I would throw out Lily using Harry who goes into strange trances, talks in his sleep, still has bouts of insanity, ect for equipment to outfit Carlie who is brainwashed to do Lily's bidding so then it can't be traced back to her. That still... gives too much soap operish credit. But it sounds so hot! I just don't want Jackpot or Menace to be MJ, but the initials do fit.

As cool as that sounds, I severely doubt the Brain Trust has thought of something that complex or deep. Menace is probably Gary Busey in a Goblin costume.

Actually...that would be hilarious.

[spider-like-me]

Does it at least give you a 777 belt buckle and disco pants?

I'd say it can.

[Hi-Fi]

It's pretty clear in my mind that Menace is Lily. I'd love to be wrong, though! I really do wanna be surprised.

[spider-like-me]

It's pretty clear in my mind that Menace is Lily. I'd love to be wrong, though! I really do wanna be surprised.

I love it when people vet my thoughts.

[Matt Linton]

I'm in the "Lily is Menace and Carlie is Jackpot" camp.

[stillanerd]

Well, Harry is too obvious to be Menace and I believe that Lily is being set-up to become the prime suspect. However, I also believe that, like most mysteries, the "prime suspect" is usually not the "killer" and in this case, neither is Lily (at least I hope it's not). My guess is that Menace is actually...

Carlie Cooper.

Likewise, I also think she has a connection to the Spider-Tracer killer. Remember, the "victims" apparently all died of natural causes, and yet for some reason, the police haven't figured this out. Well, who do we know that's the forensic pathologist on the case?

[spider-like-me]

Well, Harry is too obvious to be Menace and I believe that Lily is being set-up to become the prime suspect. However, I also believe that, like most mysteries, the "prime suspect" is usually not the "killer" and in this case, neither is Lily (at least I hope it's not). My guess is that Menace is actually...

Carlie Cooper.

Likewise, I also think she has a connection to the Spider-Tracer killer. Remember, the "victims" apparently all died of natural causes, and yet for some reason, the police haven't figured this out. Well, who do we know that's the forensic pathologist on the case?

Carlie as Menace is only a thought because it's not obvious? What else do you have?

[spider-like-me]

I hope Carlie is left alone--it'd be nice for someone as "regular" to exist in the comic to keep everything grounded.

[stillanerd]

Carlie as Menace is only a thought because it's not obvious? What else do you have?

Glad you asked. People cite that Menace is female due to his build. Menace utilizes Goblin equipment, so there's either a connection between Norman or Harry Osborn, closest bet being Harry. Also, Menace appears to have a vested interest in the mayoral campaign, and it appears that all the attacks benefit Bill Hollister. This makes folks believe that Lily is actually Menace because she's female, she's Harry Osborn's girlfriend, and her father is running for mayor at own her urging. However, those three qualities also apply to Carlie as well. She too is female, is associated with Harry via her friend Lily, and she's said that she regards the Hollister's like family, so wouldn't she like to see Mr. Hollister win as mayor, too?

Also, considering how Menace's gear is modified Green Goblin equipment, someone would have to have some scientific knowledge with how it works and operates. Carlie happens to have a scientific background. She could very well know enough to modify the equipment if Harry Osborn did not do so himself.

Likewise, Menace is not shy of killing others, as he did with the warehouse thugs, which would imply this is someone who is quite familiar with death. Since Carlie has been trained as a police officer, which she had to be in order to work for the NYPD, she would know how to use lethal force when necessary, and, being that she's a forensic pathologist who has a morbid fascination with dead bodies, she would not be repulsed by death, much less taking a life when necessary.

I also get the sense that Menace does not regard himself/herself as being evil. Notice the people he/she intentionally killed were criminals. The female mayoral candidate's death was entirely accidental, with her original intend probably more designed to intimidate her, as was Menace's other attack on Bill Hollister. Someone, like Carlie, who works for the police, would believe her actions are justifiable. What's more, because her father was a cop, she likely feels that she's not doing enough merely pouring over the victims of crime when she could be doing something to active for the cause of justice--such as making sure the right person becomes mayor, for instance.

Also, we've been told that Carlie has a secret about her. Her being Menace would certainly qualify.

Also, think of it in terms of dramatic storytelling. It's obvious that Carlie is being set-up to be Peter's new potential romance, someone he can date in an effort to try and get over Mary Jane when he finds out she's Robert Carr's "mystery girl," especially if we get something like in Spider-Man 2 in which MJ is asked by Carr to marry him. In typical "Parker Luck" fashion, the new girlfriend turns out to be a supervillain, and someone who was characterized as being "sweet and wholesome" not unlike Gwen Stacy. And it wouldn't just impact Peter. Carlie being exposed as Menace would also affect Vin Gonzales and Lily emotionally, not to mention bring possible scandals to the Hollister campaign, Oscorp, AND the NYPD. You have your "shock" quota along with an impact that can affect almost everyone involved with BND. Not to mention reinforce the old notion that shy and attractive women who wear glasses are really wild and crazy bad girls deep down. :biggrin:

Plus, how ironic would it be if the Gwen Stacy stand-in was the same person as the Green Goblin stand-in?

[spider-like-me]

I'm glad you answered! I think your analysis is fantastic. However, it brought up another point of mine in thinking she is Lily.

You mentioned that all of the attacks support Hollister. In fact, they would at first glance support Crowne as they are his opponents. For Menace to be supportive of Hollister, Menace would need to know that Hollister would respond with strength to an attack (unlike Crowne). True, Carlie may know this as a friend of the family, but Lily would know her father perfectly well to understand that an attack from Menace would look good for a Hollister campaign.

[stillanerd]

I'm glad you answered! I think your analysis is fantastic. However, it brought up another point of mine in thinking she is Lily.

You mentioned that all of the attacks support Hollister. In fact, they would at first glance support Crowne as they are his opponents. For Menace to be supportive of Hollister, Menace would need to know that Hollister would respond with strength to an attack (unlike Crowne). True, Carlie may know this as a friend of the family, but Lily would know her father perfectly well to understand that an attack from Menace would look good for a Hollister campaign.

This is true. Likewise, Lily telling Menace to "bring it on" after the attack during the press conference would also imply that she's not afraid of Menace because she is Menace. And if Menace has any connection to Harry, then Harry saying "I'll make sure she's protected" would also indicate as such, because he'd know Lily was Menace and wouldn't need protection. Plus, Lily's alibi she gave to Peter after he had first encountered Menace wouldn't mean squat if Harry and Menace are in cahoots. However, you can also interpret Lily's hardball stance against Menace as anger towards what she saw as an attack on her father and for being brave to the point of carelessness; also, she may have been telling the truth and really was with Harry all night. And for Hollister to respond to attack, well Carlie would know this as well since she, too, is close to the Hollisters, plus police training would give her an advantage over who would be more likely to respond when attacked.

As for the attacks benefiting Crowne, my other belief is that Menace, apart from wanting to see Hollister elected mayor, is also being hired out by Dexter Bennet, who most definitely wants Crowne to be mayor. Notice that Menace attacked the outside of the Bugle in broad daylight, and that soon afterwards, Bennet not only came up with the Menace moniker, but also offered a reward for anyone who got a picture of him, perhaps as part of a deal that Menace "helps" Bennet by boosting circulation of the DB (sort of a twisted parallel of Peter secretly helping Jonah with his Spider-Man pics) and by helping the Crowne campaign. But if Menace is Lily or Carlie, then it's very likely she's double crossing him. Because, even though the death of the first mayoral candidate and the attack on the debate help Crowne, they also allowed Hollister to get in the race and become a stronger candidate respectively.

[spider-like-me]

The big flaw with my own belief that Menace is Lily is that it's not clear if Meance would have killed the Council woman.

If not, then what the hell was Lilly doing>

If she was, then I guess she was just happy she didn't have to do it.

[yadadaimhollaing]

How would all yall feel if menace was a totally new character and not somebody we already have been introduced to. I kind of am hoping that they don't go the direction of menace being somebody close to peter.

[ZT4]

How would all yall feel if menace was a totally new character and not somebody we already have been introduced to. I kind of am hoping that they don't go the direction of menace being somebody close to peter.

In principle, this would be true to Steve Ditko's original intentions for the Green Goblin, a character nobody had seen previously. It's not a bad idea, but since Menace will likely be associated with Harry, it takes the individuality away (and DeFalco and Stern both conceived a similar story back in 1998 during "Spider-Hunt" of an unknown Goblin working for Norman)

[yadadaimhollaing]

In principle, this would be true to Steve Ditko's original intentions for the Green Goblin, a character nobody had seen previously. It's not a bad idea, but since Menace will likely be associated with Harry, it takes the individuality away (and DeFalco and Stern both conceived a similar story back in 1998 during "Spider-Hunt" of an unknown Goblin working for Norman)

What book was that spider hunt story in?

[ZT4]

What book was that spider hunt story in?

I think it crossed over ASM and PPS

[Mister Mets]

What book was that spider hunt story in?It was a crossover in the four Spider-Man titles.

I think it concluded in Spectacular Spider-Man #255.

[Darthbobvilla]

Nuff said !!!!

[just_a_guy]

proof? or at least why you think that

[Regulus B.]

Source, plzkthnx?

Just because it's heavily hinted doesn't make it true. In fact, quite the opposite - heavy hints are possible red herrings.

[Darthbobvilla]

he has a goblin glider.... obvious.....menace as red hair so has harry, he is pissed off that his father told him he was useless and goes out of his coffee shop real pissed to go where? think about that one....

he does not attack norman right away on the last page of the latest issue of asm of course why would he attack his father right away..probably will next issue to prove that he is superior than him....harry might or might not know that norman is the goblin...

another clue ....norman asks him who's errand boy he is.... emphasis "boy" as in his boy as in harry...

everything is there....really....

[Matt Linton]

Harry is the obvious red herring. I still think it's Lily.

[Don't pee in the (Dead)pool]

he has a goblin glider.... obvious.....menace as red hair so has harry, he is pissed off that his father told him he was useless and goes out of his coffee shop real pissed to go where? think about that one....

he does not attack norman right away on the last page of the latest issue of asm of course why would he attack his father right away..probably will next issue to prove that he is superior than him....harry might or might not know that norman is the goblin...

another clue ....norman asks him who's errand boy he is.... emphasis "boy" as in his boy as in harry...

everything is there....really....

I hope this isn't true. Surely even Dan Slott (whose writing is not to my taste anyway...) wouldn't go this route and make Menace such an obvious person.
Mind you, nothing concerning ASM surprises me anymore.

[Zombie Uatu]

he has a goblin glider.... obvious.....menace as red hair so has harry, he is pissed off that his father told him he was useless and goes out of his coffee shop real pissed to go where? think about that one....

he does not attack norman right away on the last page of the latest issue of asm of course why would he attack his father right away..probably will next issue to prove that he is superior than him....harry might or might not know that norman is the goblin...

another clue ....norman asks him who's errand boy he is.... emphasis "boy" as in his boy as in harry...

everything is there....really....

But, all of that evidence equally points towards the idea that it could be someone else, being aided by Harry, especially that last point - he's Harry's errand boy. Wasn't there a movement to make Phil Urich a Goblin again?

[Matt Linton]

Another problem with Harry being Menace is the ease with which Spidey's fought the guy (girl?). That points to someone inexperienced.

[Rahul]

When its Harry, The colour of the herring is the same as Menace's hair.

[Regulus B.]

another clue ....norman asks him who's errand boy he is.... emphasis "boy" as in his boy as in harry...


He doesn't say errand boy - he says '...and whose little boy are you?'

It could apply to Harry. But it sounds red herring to me. Personally, I'm thinking maybe Normie, but that's a whole other debate.

[Darthbobvilla]

i do not think that menace would be a girl because obviously she would speak differently and brag that a girl or women can easily beat spider-man..so no i think women are out...

Harry is top contender...he was one before so why not again...and to add fuel on the fire it could be harry and it is all set up by mephisto!!!!

[Regulus B.]

Harry is top contender...he was one before so why not again...

Because that would be terribly unoriginal? You bring a dead guy back and the first thing you do is rehash the past instead of exploring new territory?

[Don't pee in the (Dead)pool]

Because that would be terribly unoriginal? You bring a dead guy back and the first thing you do is rehash the past instead of exploring new territory?

In fairness, they did the same with Norman Osborn... However, I do agree with ya that making Harry be Menace would be unoriginal and stupid making the retcon even more insulting.

[Regulus B.]

In fairness, they did the same with Norman Osborn... However, I do agree with ya that making Harry be Menace would be unoriginal and stupid making the retcon even more insulting.

Norman has, in some ways, less potential than Harry. Norman is a villain and is never made to be anything but these days (at least from the perspective of the readers who know he's crazy). Him returning to what he does best is not surprising - and not a bad move.

Harry's a little more up in the air. He's not a particularly good villain (from an efficacy standpoint, not necessarily a storytelling one). He's not bad - but he's not his father. Much to his disappointment.

He's a solid member of the supporting cast, though, and I think moves like involving him in politics are steps in the right direction. He impacts the story without the overplayed frenemy drama. There are stories there that haven't been done and would be in character.

In short... I really, really hope Menace isn't Harry.

[KryptonMan]

It's Flash Thompson! C'mon, all the clues are there!!!1!

[stillanerd]

Count me in on those who also think Harry is a red herring as well, although so far we've been given clues to think so (i.e. Harry on the rooftop telling Peter to turn the photos into a rival publisher, his outburst and red eyes, and his connection to Hollister which Menace has been secretly trying to help). However, as I've said numerous times, I don't think it's Lily either, even though she's a likely suspect, too, especially since she shares a connection with Harry (being his girlfriend) and Hollister is her father. But again, that's also too obvious. Also, have we forgotten that she told Peter that she was with Harry "all night"--the same night Peter first encountered Menace, giving both herself and Harry alibis, meaning she's either lying or telling the truth. And her reaction when Harry had his outburst last issue--that didn't strike me as someone who knows about Harry's darker side which I imagine if whoever Menace is would have to be know very well, since he/she is using Goblin equipment. No, I'm still sticking with Carlie Cooper.

[Zombie Uatu]

i do not think that menace would be a girl because obviously she would speak differently and brag that a girl or women can easily beat spider-man..so no i think women are out...

Harry is top contender...he was one before so why not again...and to add fuel on the fire it could be harry and it is all set up by mephisto!!!!


Yes, obviously. Because ALL women, universally, define themselves by how much better they are at doing things than men, and have such low self-esteem they would feel the need to brag about being better than a man at something. This is obviously true of all women universally.

</sarcasm> Honestly this is the most patently sexist bullcrap I've read on any comics or indeed fandom forum. And that includes the Elita-1's bio thread over at Tformers that time.

Whether or not she'd talk differently is also open for debate. Women do tend to behave differently in conversation to men, but we're applying this to someone who dresses up as a monster, goes out at night (and during the day) on a 'glider' which probably isn't very safe, and attacks the propaganda and workers of a mayoral candidate for no discernable reason. I.e. s\he probably isn't very sane to begin with, and in any case would probably create a different way of talking for their 'other self' (much like Norman does, and Venom does, and the Lizard does). In fact, much like with Echo as Ronin, the very goal of this individual, if s\he is female, could be to disguise their gender so as to avoid the very kind of gender-biased response outlined above.

Could be a boy, could be a girl. Could be someone working for Harry, could be Harry. Could be Normie. Could be MJ! Could be Gwen come back, could be me. Could be you!

[Regulus B.]

Could be you!

:eek: Really? Ohmigod...

Oh wait. It can't be me. Otherwise I would have been bragging about beating down men. :tongue:

[Zombie Uatu]

:eek: Really? Ohmigod...

Oh wait. It can't be me. Otherwise I would have been bragging about beating down men. :tongue:

I always brag about the men I've beaten off- down! I meant down!

[The Confessor]

Personally, I'm thinking maybe Normie, but that's a whole other debate.


What...as in "little Normie"? As in Liz and Harry's kid? :eek:

Nah, couldn't be...he's like 6 years old or something, isn't he?



first thing you do is rehash the past instead of exploring new territory?


Heh...sound like business as usual for BND then! :biggrin:

Sorry....cheap shot, I know but I just couldn't resist.

[yadadaimhollaing]

Yes, obviously. Because ALL women, universally, define themselves by how much better they are at doing things than men, and have such low self-esteem they would feel the need to brag about being better than a man at something. This is obviously true of all women universally.

</sarcasm> Honestly this is the most patently sexist bullcrap I've read on any comics or indeed fandom forum. And that includes the Elita-1's bio thread over at Tformers that time.

Whether or not she'd talk differently is also open for debate. Women do tend to behave differently in conversation to men, but we're applying this to someone who dresses up as a monster, goes out at night (and during the day) on a 'glider' which probably isn't very safe, and attacks the propaganda and workers of a mayoral candidate for no discernable reason. I.e. s\he probably isn't very sane to begin with, and in any case would probably create a different way of talking for their 'other self' (much like Norman does, and Venom does, and the Lizard does). In fact, much like with Echo as Ronin, the very goal of this individual, if s\he is female, could be to disguise their gender so as to avoid the very kind of gender-biased response outlined above.

Could be a boy, could be a girl. Could be someone working for Harry, could be Harry. Could be Normie. Could be MJ! Could be Gwen come back, could be me. Could be you!

In all fairness to the poster you were replying to there are lots of instances where girls like to brag that they are beating men down.

[Regulus B.]

What...as in "little Normie"? As in Liz and Harry's kid? :eek:

Nah, couldn't be...he's like 6 years old or something, isn't he?


He looks older than that, I would say. Not much... maybe a few years. I'd put him in the 8-9 range. But that might be generous. And I'm not saying it's very likely. But the 'whose little boy' and Steve Wacker comments give me pause.

Besides, maybe the crazy starts earlier each generation. :wink: Nine is more than old enough to start some glider shenanigans!


Heh...sound like business as usual for BND then! :biggrin:

Sorry....cheap shot, I know but I just couldn't resist.

Yes. Yes it was. And hey now - we've never had a white Venom before! :biggrin:

[ShaggyB]

he has a goblin glider.... obvious.....menace as red hair so has harry, he is pissed off that his father told him he was useless and goes out of his coffee shop real pissed to go where? think about that one....

he does not attack norman right away on the last page of the latest issue of asm of course why would he attack his father right away..probably will next issue to prove that he is superior than him....harry might or might not know that norman is the goblin...

another clue ....norman asks him who's errand boy he is.... emphasis "boy" as in his boy as in harry...

everything is there....really....

hahaha so because you think he is you throw up a title that says it like a spoiler....

Ive read next weeks issue....

I'll just say that im not so certain your reasons will = it being harry.....

!) Just because someone doesnt attack someone off the bat doesnt make them instantly related. Perhaps he wants to talk? Then again i know what happens but due to forum rules i cant discuss it......

2) Ben Ulrich's kid had a goblin glider he took from Green Goblins hidden lair. Hobgoblin has a glider. Hell Norman himself gave one to a guy posing as green goblin in/around the time of "Goblin Gate"

3) Red Hair..... Ever thought it could be part of the mask? Harry has short red hair....... That doesnt make him an instant suspect.

4) calling him boy... could be.... but might be an insult.

Ever heard of Red Herrings? That would be when a hint is dropped to throw you off the track... such as Harry's red eyes. or him being on a roof or needing fresh air after a fight with Norman.....

Something has to be said for it being too easy

[metr0man]

It's Carlie or Lily. I'm leaning towards Lily because carlie was telegraphed a little to obviously when the cop said that Bill was like a father to Carlie and then Menace popped in immediately.

[sixela]

Spiderman was a chick once (rem Mattie anyone?)
Ronin was a chick too.. (the bodacious Echo)

It could very well be likely that Menace is rocking some ovaries too.
:evilsmile:

[SnakeEater]

4) calling him boy... could be.... but might be an insult.


norman used to call peter that alot after he came back from his hiatus and when he was trying to make peter his heir to the goblin title.

and norman used to call that "clone" of harry or whatever he was back at the reboot time period...which btw i noticed was still never answered. He had harrys face but he said he was a construct, so idk and idc because the reboot sucked.

wasnt flash thompson one of normans brown nosers for a while. for some reason i seem to recall norman introducing flash and flash wearing a suit. was this after norman bought the bugle....anyhow point is i think norman called flash his boy too.

so anyone could be that suspect but really for them to make harry some new "goblin" ois just really pointless. i mean i can get the whole "im better then my dad thinks" angle but you can only take that so far. and as for lily if they made menace a female it would garner more heat then echo being ronin a few years back.
heck im surprised no one has said mary jane is menace since she has read hair. and since when is harry a red head, didnt he always have brown hair...ugh this hair thing is a major pain in the scalp

[TiamatXXV]

lol Red Hair-ing

oh im so clever

[ShaggyB]

heck im surprised no one has said mary jane is menace since she has read hair. and since when is harry a red head, didnt he always have brown hair...ugh this hair thing is a major pain in the scalp

I called Mj when menace first appeared. Was hopen Menace and Jackpot would be split personalities of mj...... that got ruined when menaced killed the mayoral canadate infront of jackpot.... either could still be mj though.... but i think shes out of the menace running now......

[Zombie Uatu]

In all fairness to the poster you were replying to there are lots of instances where girls like to brag that they are beating men down.

I don't deny that. What I object to is the implication that just because someone is a woman, they would necessarily brag about having beaten a man at something. Not everyone defines themself in terms of their gender and preconceived notions that way. As I went on to say, I certainly don't think someone who's quite obviously psychotic like Menace would do that.

Could be Hollister himself, anyone thought of that?

[Regulus B.]

Could be Hollister himself, anyone thought of that?

Since Menace picks up Hollister in 570 and attacks him directly (and talks to him like Hollister wouldn't know what was going on) it's practically impossible for Hollister to be him and highly unlikely for Hollister to have hired him.

(And if that needs to be spoiler tagged let me know)

[Zombie Uatu]

Since Menace picks up Hollister in 570 and attacks him directly (and talks to him like Hollister wouldn't know what was going on) it's practically impossible for Hollister to be him and highly unlikely for Hollister to have hired him.

(And if that needs to be spoiler tagged let me know)

Probably not, considering, it's just my fault for being late to the game. I dropped ASM after OMD and the first few issues of BND, mainly because, as pathetic as it sounds, I needed time to get used to the idea of an unmarried Peter. Having come to comics in general during the 90s, and enjoying the stories told during that era, I wasn't sure that my concept of Spider-man even existed, and if it did, it may have been Ben Reilly, a much-derided concept that died and has seemingly been forever buried -

Hey, maybe Menace is Ben Reilly!

[Muscles Coleman]

Not sure this has been theorized in this thread yet (I don't feel like digging through it) - but I think Menace is Phil Urich, a former Goblin. He's terrorizing Hollister so people sympathize with him and he'll win the election, and why? Because his uncle Ben Urich's paper, Frontline, is pro-Hollister.

[Matt Linton]

I'd say Phil Urich is very unlikely. He hasn't appeared in Amazing Spider-Man in years, if ever. Also, Hollister winning wouldn't really have much of an impact, positive or negative, on Frontline. Plus, Menace showed up before Hollister was in the race, so before Frontline even endorsed him.

[Regulus B.]

So according to the latest CBR Slott interview:


A scene in "Amazing Spider-Man" #570, in which Menace attacks Bill Hollister's office but privately expresses support for the candidate, was important for a number reason. "You find out the reason why Peter's roommate, police officer Vin Gonzales, and his partner Alan O'Neil, are always on duty protecting Hollister," Slott stated. "And someone online picked up on something important about Menace in that scene."


I remember seeing elsewhere (Crawlspace I think) that somebody mentioned Menace's speech patterns (calling Hollister "Billy") resemble Bennett's and his nicknames for everybody.

So maybe Bennett is Menace and is playing both sides of the conflict.

[yadadaimhollaing]

I don't deny that. What I object to is the implication that just because someone is a woman, they would necessarily brag about having beaten a man at something. Not everyone defines themself in terms of their gender and preconceived notions that way. As I went on to say, I certainly don't think someone who's quite obviously psychotic like Menace would do that.

Could be Hollister himself, anyone thought of that?

cool man. it just sounded like you were slightly going off on the other poster when i didnt think he was attacking you or the post. just trying to keep things as peaceful as we can on the spiderman boards :biggrin:

[hunter_peterson]

But that's crazy! Crazy enough that it MIGHT JUST WORK!

[yadadaimhollaing]

as i said in another thread that i started heres my thoughts on why dexter bennet is menace



As I read through I was trying to guess who would be menace.
There was a speech that lillys dad gave where lilly, harry, and carlie all weren't visible. That would lead you to believe one of the 3 would be menace. My problems with that theory are why would harry become a new goblin with the look of menace. Its been stated that harry still was the green goblin. What motivation would harry have for trying to get crowne to become mayor. I could understand lilly maybe trying to scare her dad away from becoming mayor because for some reason she doesn't think he should do it. The thing that doesn't make sense is why lilly would have become menace and went after the former mayoral candidate. We have seen no interaction between crowne and lilly to suggest why they would have anything in common. My best guess is that dexter bennet is menace. Db is a crowne guy so he could have become menace to scare away the opposition so that crowne runs unopposed and wins by default. Dexter bennet also wanted pictures of menace for the db and was the man to dub the new goblin menace. Db was sleazy enough to pay carrs public relations guy money for information on where to get incriminating pics of carr why couldn't he be menace.

[Ex_]

It's totally Harry. C'mon! That's why he confronted Norman at the end of the last one. C'mon! Also, MJ being Menace WOULD be sensible, as part of the Mephisto deal, maybe..but I think she is Jackpot. She probably made a deal to take powers and make him forget about their love. That way, she's not really 'at risk' anymore, if they ever get back together. But I'm not sure..does anyone else think that MJ remembers?

[Don't pee in the (Dead)pool]

Is it Rosemary, the telephone operator?:biggrin:

[ShaggyB]

It's totally Harry. C'mon! That's why he confronted Norman at the end of the last one. C'mon! Also, MJ being Menace WOULD be sensible, as part of the Mephisto deal, maybe..but I think she is Jackpot. She probably made a deal to take powers and make him forget about their love. That way, she's not really 'at risk' anymore, if they ever get back together. But I'm not sure..does anyone else think that MJ remembers?

nah its not harry.... too easy...... Bennett would work..... but i still think hes Mephisto.....

[Ex_]

nah its not harry.... too easy...... Bennett would work..... but i still think hes Mephisto.....

Okay, but Bennett isn't too old to do this? Plus, Mephisto has NO interest in politics. Right!?

[Regulus B.]

nah its not harry.... too easy...... Bennett would work..... but i still think hes Mephisto.....

Or both! Maybe Bennetphisto is actually the entire supporting cast. :eek:

Really, though, apart from his manner of speaking - what else in the Menace scene with Hollister could offer a clue?

[ShaggyB]

Okay, but Bennett isn't too old to do this? Plus, Mephisto has NO interest in politics. Right!?

Ever read Hulk: The End? Banner was old, yet when he became Hulk he was still super strong and (though aged in appearance to match) youthful in actions.

Or both! Maybe Bennetphisto is actually the entire supporting cast. :eek:

Really, though, apart from his manner of speaking - what else in the Menace scene with Hollister could offer a clue?

gonna have to go back and look really hard......

[Tremnar]

It's gotta Be Harry. after the way the young mister Osborn's eyes lit up all pink in part three how could he not be Menace(besides a quick case of pink eye)? He has experience as a previous Goblin, he has access to all of Norman's old toys that have been tucked away and both HArry and Menace want Hollister to win the Mayoral campaign, he is the obvious choice at this point.

For a long time I thought it would be Carlie and it would turn out that she had been planting spider tracers on random bodies to frame spider-man. And that she found one of Harry's depots or something (like every other Goblin character does).

-T-

[ShaggyB]

It's gotta Be Harry. after the way the young mister Osborn's eyes lit up all pink in part three how could he not be Menace(besides a quick case of pink eye)? He has experience as a previous Goblin, he has access to all of Norman's old toys that have been tucked away and both HArry and Menace want Hollister to win the Mayoral campaign, he is the obvious choice at this point.

For a long time I thought it would be Carlie and it would turn out that she had been planting spider tracers on random bodies to frame spider-man. And that she found one of Harry's depots or something (like every other Goblin character does).

-T-

I just think its too easy and it goes against Tom Brevoort's Spider-man Manifesto

[Tremnar]

I just think its too easy and it goes against Tom Brevoort's Spider-man Manifesto

The coloring with the Eyes is what made my mind up. If Harry isn't Menace that was clearly just a red herring to try and get readers thinking that.

-T-

[Monty_Cristo]

The coloring with the Eyes is what made my mind up. If Harry isn't Menace that was clearly just a red herring to try and get readers thinking that.

-T-

if so then it wasn't the only red herrings. i can't believe Osborn even managed to make a coffee reference during the fight (since his son now owns a coffee chain).

[stillanerd]

So according to the latest CBR Slott interview:



I remember seeing elsewhere (Crawlspace I think) that somebody mentioned Menace's speech patterns (calling Hollister "Billy") resemble Bennett's and his nicknames for everybody.

So maybe Bennett is Menace and is playing both sides of the conflict.

as i said in another thread that i started heres my thoughts on why dexter bennet is menace

Certainly plausible. After all, it was Bennet himself who came up with the Menace moniker and did offer a huge bonus for anyone taking a picture of Menace in action. And didn't Menace also make mention of a list, too? The only problem is is that Bennet is publicly supporting Crowne in the DB, although that could be a ruse to throw suspicion off himself. However, there's something to remember what Slott said in the interview cited--that there's a reason why Vin Gonzales and his partner are specifically on the scene to protect Hollister. And who do we know who is also close to the Hollisters and who is friends with Vin Gonzales? Perhaps another hint at Menace being Carlie again?

[yadadaimhollaing]

Certainly plausible. After all, it was Bennet himself who came up with the Menace moniker and did offer a huge bonus for anyone taking a picture of Menace in action. And didn't Menace also make mention of a list, too? The only problem is is that Bennet is publicly supporting Crowne in the DB, although that could be a ruse to throw suspicion off himself. However, there's something to remember what Slott said in the interview cited--that there's a reason why Vin Gonzales and his partner are specifically on the scene to protect Hollister. And who do we know who is also close to the Hollisters and who is friends with Vin Gonzales? Perhaps another hint at Menace being Carlie again?

I noticed I missed the part where menace said to hollister I do this all for you. This might mean I totally missed something last week. There's a good possibility that menace is carlie.

[CyberHubbs]

I can't imagine it is Bennett. During the Menace/Norman fight, toward the end of it, Menace flipped out on him. It just seems completely un-Bennett to care if Norman loves his family or not.

[ShaggyB]

I can't imagine it is Bennett. During the Menace/Norman fight, toward the end of it, Menace flipped out on him. It just seems completely un-Bennett to care if Norman loves his family or not.

that and isnt Bennett older than Norman? Menace calling him Old Man and then being 10 or so years older than him is a bit hypocritical

[stillanerd]

that and isnt Bennett older than Norman? Menace calling him Old Man and then being 10 or so years older than him is a bit hypocritical

Given what we've seen of him, isn't Bennet a hypocrite by nature? But still, I'm still sticking with Carlie as being Menace anyway. Perhaps Menace has a side-deal with Bennet and told him he'd help Crowne to get elected while Bennet, at the same time, gets news--sort of like a twisted take-off of the Peter taking pictures of himself as Spider-Man and selling them to Jonah who then prints negative stories about him. Of course, Menace has no intention of actually helping Crowne get elected but as long as his/her attacks look abiguous, Bennet wouldn't know the difference.

[Jason D.]

Very interesting thread.

Has anyone considered the possibility that Det. Willoughby or Det. Polone are Menace? I know they're not in the core cast of characters but they do have access to the police evidence locker room (like Carlie).

Either one could have stolen an old spider-tracer from the evidence room, and either one has the techincal know-how (as cops) to break into one of Norman's old Goblin hide-outs.

It does seem as if Slott and co. are trying to make us think it's Carlie, but it's just too obvious to me.

Isn't one of the detectives secretly working for Mister Negative?

[Darthbobvilla]

the timeline in the last issues points to Harry..menace appears at the start of the issue....calls norman "old man" and appears as harry later on in the issue with dirt on Norman...all the clues are there...I don't think slott would make it so obvious but hey..every freaking nut thing is happening in the book now...

[CyberHubbs]

that and isnt Bennett older than Norman? Menace calling him Old Man and then being 10 or so years older than him is a bit hypocritical

True. As I've said before, Bennett is more dangerous as a less ethical JJJ. No need to consider him a disguised Mephisto or Menace, since he's far more evil. He's an old rich white media mogul.

[yadadaimhollaing]

Isn't one of the detectives secretly working for Mister Negative?

that detective got killed in the BND extra if i remember correctly

[Mister Mets]

that detective got killed in the BND extra if i remember correctly

A guy working for Mister Negative who ripped off the detective was killed. The detective should be fine.

[BlueCutey]

I wrote this in the #571 thread, but it's relevent here too...

One thing that REALLY shot out to me when I read the new issue.
Menace not only knows that Osborn actually DIED, but knows HOW it happened (Menace shoves the front of the glider into him, and says "Riding a glider at that end? That IS how you DIED the first time, isn't it?")

I admit a lot of ignorence toward who knows what, but really how many people even know that he actually died, much less how?

[oldschool]

I wrote this in the #571 thread, but it's relevent here too...

One thing that REALLY shot out to me when I read the new issue.
Menace not only knows that Osborn actually DIED, but knows HOW it happened (Menace shoves the front of the glider into him, and says "Riding a glider at that end? That IS how you DIED the first time, isn't it?")

I admit a lot of ignorence toward who knows what, but really how many people even know that he actually died, much less how?

I know and that really points the finger toward Harry, doesn't it? Unless of course Harry told all this to the love of his life and she decides to get revenge for how it messed up her man and all.....

[BlackToe]

I'm rooting for a female goblin.

[oldschool]

I'm rooting for a female goblin.

Would be cool even though we already had one in Hobby of the future in Peter David's FNSM run from a year or so ago. That story was not what it should have been and, due to the time travel, cannot really be revisited.

[BlackToe]

Would be cool even though we already had one in Hobby of the future in Peter David's FNSM run from a year or so ago. That story was not what it should have been and, due to the time travel, cannot really be revisited.

So what? Another guy goblin would be more original and more valued?

Besides, that story was an embarrassment in my opinion. I dont think character hindrance should be played from a story arc that Marvel wont even look at twice. Much like Baby May.

(Was that the one where Uncle Ben was brought back, but he turned out to be a serial killer or something from another dimension? :confused: )

[StoneGold]

I wrote this in the #571 thread, but it's relevent here too...

One thing that REALLY shot out to me when I read the new issue.
Menace not only knows that Osborn actually DIED, but knows HOW it happened (Menace shoves the front of the glider into him, and says "Riding a glider at that end? That IS how you DIED the first time, isn't it?")

I admit a lot of ignorence toward who knows what, but really how many people even know that he actually died, much less how?

Given that the glider is actual Goblin tech, and not just a ripoff, Menace has some deeper access into Osborn's life. Now, it could just be another Hobgoblin scenario, in which case Menace might know of Osborn's end that way. Or it could be something more significant. Who knows. But I think in this case it's a follow the money scenario. Figure out where Menace got the glider from and you figure out who Menace is.

[oldschool]

So what? Another guy goblin would be more original and more valued?

Besides, that story was an embarrassment in my opinion. I dont think character hindrance should be played from a story arc that Marvel wont even look at twice. Much like Baby May.

(Was that the one where Uncle Ben was brought back, but he turned out to be a serial killer or something from another dimension? :confused: )

Story did suck as I said (Peter David wanted to use the REAL Hogboblin but Marvel would not let him); and I am not saying they cannot use a female Gobby just that we kinda already had one. We're in agreement here; not sure what you are arguing.

[BlackToe]

Story did suck as I said (Peter David wanted to use the REAL Hogboblin but Marvel would not let him); and I am not saying they cannot use a female Gobby just that we kinda already had one. We're in agreement here; not sure what you are arguing.

I wasnt arguing either...it just came off like that. I was agreeing with you ultimately.

[oldschool]

I wasnt arguing either...it just came off like that. I was agreeing with you ultimately.

Cool......yeah, I am all for Lily or Carlie being Menace and having the character stickaround even after the reveal with maybe a redesign to not be so Goblin-y....

[burtle]

DB being the Menance is probably the best choice right now, they'd have to have a pretty good reason for one of the girls to be Menance and keep up with Norman in a fight.

[CSG]

OK, this make me wonder. Does Harry actually know HOW his father died? IIRC, I think he only knew that his father was dead because of his fight against Spider-man, not specifically because Norman was stabbed by a Glider. Uh....is this true or not?

[burtle]

OK, this make me wonder. Does Harry actually know HOW his father died? IIRC, I think he only knew that his father was dead because of his fight against Spider-man, not specifically because Norman was stabbed by a Glider. Uh....is this true or not?

But his Dad isn't dead? . . :evilsmile:

[oldschool]

OK, this make me wonder. Does Harry actually know HOW his father died? IIRC, I think he only knew that his father was dead because of his fight against Spider-man, not specifically because Norman was stabbed by a Glider. Uh....is this true or not?

Yeah, he knew because at the end of #122, a "shadowy figure" was shown removing Norman's body from the fight scene right after he died. So it has always been assumed that he saw him die in the fight with Spidey.

[oldschool]

But his Dad isn't dead? . . :evilsmile:

He got better.......see Spiderman #75--"Revelations" for the end of the 90's Clone Saga for whole explanation.

[burtle]

He got better.......see Spiderman #75--"Revelations" for the end of the 90's Clone Saga for whole explanation.

yeah i just wanted to use the devil face.

[Regulus B.]

I think after #571 I'm really leaning towards Gabe. Well, him or Lily. Menace is really fixated with "The Osborn Legacy" which to me implies he (or she) has a vested interest in it. And there was a letter at the back to a Liam:

Harry as the Green Goblin is an interesting thought... oh, so close.

So close to Harry - which could be Lily. But Menace is quite angry in that scene and Lily doesn't seem to understand Norman's influence even later when Harry's explaining in the hospital with her dad. She could be pretending, but I don't think she's that tricky. She could be and it could be to throw people off track, but right now I think she's too much of a girly girl to be Menace.

So who's almost a Harry but not quite? Well, there is Normie - but he's young. Maybe not too young, but probably too young to be cutting down mayoral candidates.

Gabe is both enough like Harry to fit the hints, possibly having a chip against Norman, likely to have sources of info that would let him in on things like how Norman died (possibly Norman himself trying to gear him up to attack Pete) - it seems to come together for me.

Hopefully we'll find out for once and for all soon. :biggrin:

[JamesOliva]

I think after #571 I'm really leaning towards Gabe. Well, him or Lily. Menace is really fixated with "The Osborn Legacy" which to me implies he (or she) has a vested interest in it. And there was a letter at the back to a Liam:

I don't see how Gabriel Stacy could be Menace. Not that it's a particularly bad idea, so to say, and Jackpot does call him "Gray Goblin" at one point. That being said, Gabe's character motivations were more atuned to killing Peter rather than trying to work as some master manipulator. Plus, why change the costume?

Though, I do admit that it could make for a nice surprise and there have been a few (I think unintentional) red herrings, I just have a hard time seeing what Gabe's possible motivatons could be.

[Regulus B.]

I don't see how Gabriel Stacy could be Menace. Not that it's a particularly bad idea, so to say, and Jackpot does call him "Gray Goblin" at one point. That being said, Gabe's character motivations were more atuned to killing Peter rather than trying to work as some master manipulator. Plus, why change the costume?

Though, I do admit that it could make for a nice surprise and there have been a few (I think unintentional) red herrings, I just have a hard time seeing what Gabe's possible motivatons could be.

Well, we haven't seen him in a while and don't know what he might have been up to. Maybe he now blames Norman for his aging problem, to say nothing of how matters really went down with Peter and Norman? I could see that being enough to turn Gabe against him.

I still think it's a long shot. But it feels right now like it's him or Lily and... well, I'd prefer him to Lily. :redface:

[spiderman_rj]

I don't see how Gabriel Stacy .

DONT YOU DARE USE THAT NAME IN HERE !
kids visits this site too,you know.

[JamesOliva]

DONT YOU DARE USE THAT NAME IN HERE !
kids visits this site too,you know.

Sorry for using such foul language:biggrin:.

[Adamantium_Avatar]

Could the fact that Menace seems to closely resemble a Japanese Oni be a clue to his/her identity?

Could there be a link to Mister Negative? (not sure if he is Japanese or Chinese)

Mister Negative does seem to have access to high-tech equipment, could some of this be Goblin-tech?


As a small aside to this, as I am a fully paid up member of the Introverts, Nerds, Geeks and Morons Establishment (INGaME) I have never had much experience of the common 'boob'...

Is it feasible that the massively chested women of the Marvel Universe could strap down their breasts as to pass for a male supervillain? Especially one as apparently slim as Menace?

Or is this a little 'artistic license'?

[TheBoTT]

Yes, they could wrap them up and squish them down pretty flat. Unless they had HUGE ones or implants. Any normal girl would have no problem at all.

[Gemini no Saga]

Menace is Gabriel, the evil Stacy/Osborn twin from Sins Past.

Search your feelings, you know it to be true! :evilsmile

In words of my Fav non classic Spidey Villian:

http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/images/black_tarantula/bt1.jpg

[spider-like-me]

I still think it's Lily.


So close to Harry - which could be Lily. But Menace is quite angry in that scene and Lily doesn't seem to understand Norman's influence even later when Harry's explaining in the hospital with her dad. She could be pretending, but I don't think she's that tricky. She could be and it could be to throw people off track, but right now I think she's too much of a girly girl to be Menace.

She is a gilry girl, but she is driven and has her sights on what she wants. Her reaction to Norman's "I just want to get Spider-Man" shows that she has a singular focus.

As far as her lack of understanding, she did seem to come around pretty quick when Harry talked about his dad's "more important things."

More importantly, notice the guilt that Lily feels about having "pushed him (her father) into this." In any political scene, a smart person like Lily would understand all of the pressures that go into someone running for office; Lily would be more likely upset at others who really pushed Hollister into the mayor's race unless she had a bigger role. Not to mention she would have been the one to knock him out.

Also, notice that Harry says. "I'm not going to be like that. Not this time. Not with you two."

First, this must mean that Harry remembers being the goblin, but he also seems to be pledging to never be "goblinish" again.

Finally, maybe Menace approached Norman out of anger of how he made Harry feel.

[spider-like-me]

Now I am thinking it might be Harry. Damn.

- He clearly makes reference to Norman always being preoccupied with Spiderman, which clearly made Menace mad as well.

- Talking to Lily, stating "I'm not going to be like that. Not this time. Not with you two," Harry sounds like he's going to use his powers more responsibly, if that could even be claimed.

- Menace's panic after hurting Hollister would be clearly understandable if it's Harry. "oops, I nearly killed your dad"

- Norman did have is "You're the decaf version" comment; an apparent reference to Harry's coffee shop.

-Harry was all kinds of angry at his father, and that's who Menace attacked first.

- It would be a misguided attempt to win Lily's love, which would...

- Set up Peter to win her love after she realizes what Harry's done.



Gah, but would they really repackage an icon like Harry Osborn into a B-rated Goblin? I know someone will make a OMD comment, but I don't think they would.

[Regulus B.]

Gah, but would they really repackage an icon like Harry Osborn into a B-rated Goblin? I know someone will make a OMD comment, but I don't think they would.

Well, somebody said in an interview (and I suppose if you insist, I can try and find out who and where) that they made Menace a little too Goblin-y - that they were shooting for an 'inspired by' look and he came out more as yet another straight up Goblin. Which cuts against the Harry theory. Also, Harry seemed really confused when his father called him in 572. I think at that point Norman thinks it's Harry but Harry, who has no clue what's happening, is flat out confused and thinks his father's trying to kill him for the heck of it.

I might have to reconsider Lily. She might be that devious. And her behavior in the latest issue is certainly suspect. And Harry's neglect at the hands of his father bothers her too, although I'm not sure that knowledge predates Menace's behavior.

So... maybe Lily. Maybe. I'm still thinking Gabe, but there's evidence for a lot of theories. Unless Menace is unmasked in the last issue of the arc, though, we might have to content ourselves with further speculation. :wink:

[Regulus B.]

Yes, they could wrap them up and squish them down pretty flat. Unless they had HUGE ones or implants. Any normal girl would have no problem at all.

Speak for yourself - even with a small chest, bind them too long or too tight and it's going to hurt. Boobies are meant to be wild and free, and I really can't see them successfully doing that to anything bigger than a B cup.

But this is comics and Menace wears a couple layers. I can' t see Lily wanting to strap them down and I'd mark it down as evidence against Menace being her if the writers/artists are being realistic. But again, comics, so artistic license, as Adamantium suggested, might be in play here.

[BlueCutey]

Speak for yourself - even with a small chest, bind them too long or too tight and it's going to hurt. Boobies are meant to be wild and free, and I really can't see them successfully doing that to anything bigger than a B cup.

But this is comics and Menace wears a couple layers. I can' t see Lily wanting to strap them down and I'd mark it down as evidence against Menace being her if the writers/artists are being realistic. But again, comics, so artistic license, as Adamantium suggested, might be in play here.

This is comics, as you said. I dunno if you know of the manga/anime Ranma 1/2, but that has a character (Ukyo) whos bust is quite prominent, but binds enough to fool pretty much anyone who doesn't know she's a she.

There's of course always the super-powers angle. Considering the hair too, it could very easily simply be a shiftshift or other such change that causes the flatness.

[Regulus B.]

This is comics, as you said. I dunno if you know of the manga/anime Ranma 1/2, but that has a character (Ukyo) whos bust is quite prominent, but binds enough to fool pretty much anyone who doesn't know she's a she.

There's of course always the super-powers angle. Considering the hair too, it could very easily simply be a shiftshift or other such change that causes the flatness.

Sure it's comics, but still - getting ideas about busts from anime is a terrible idea as it's a genre where the phrase 'anatomical impossibility' means nothing. But back to the topic, lest this drift into a discussion of American vs. Japanese fictional chests... same for the shape shif