Ultimate X-Men will not be ending after Ultimatium

[MattXG]

Enough is enough.

Its time to squash this rumor that Ultimate X-Men will be ending post Ultimatium.

Look at this quote


IGN Comics: What is Ultimatum?

Loeb: ....Ultimatum is a six-part crossover that begins in Ultimate Fantastic Four and then goes into Ultimate X-Men and bounces back and forth for the three months. I'm not sure when exactly it begins only that it does some time next year. The artwork is by Dave Finch. I've known him for a long time, but we only got to work with each other on Fallen Son #4 earlier this year. We really see eye to eye as to how things ought to be. So we're telling this story which is the, no pun intended, the beginning of the end of the beginning…
Bounces back and forth between the two slowest titles because they are trying to get people back into them. Not end them. The beginning of the end of the beginning...key part there at the end....

Furthermore,


IGN Comics: You've mentioned Ultimates, Ultimate Fantastic Four and Ultimate X-Men factoring in here. What about Ultimate Spider-Man? Where does Peter fit in or is he too young for this fight?

Loeb:....

Part of the mission statement in this was to make sure Spidey stayed whole and continued to be as good as it is. That book has lived up to the promise of what the Ultimate Universe can and should be. I think that's something we all need to look towards as far as where we want the books to go. There are surprising new takes in Origins and stories we've never seen before. Things that continually happen there and people will talk about that book. That's how we want all of the titles to be. Again I think the guys doing the work right now are doing a great job. I think they're constricted by the reality of what that universe has become. What we need to do is give that universe a kick in the pants and see where things shake out.
Translation: Ultimate Spidey is fine but the other titles need an event to shake things up and get everyone on the same page. Just like in the 616.

So WHY would they be ending the title, if the writer flat out says the whole point of the event is to get the slower titles back up to speed with the likes of USM?

[Beast]

That's not proof it's not cancelled. In fact, that's more proof that it will be cancelled with UXM #100.

After all, the Ultimate Wolverine book was scrapped due to Ultimatum. ;)

[Bulky Brent]

I don't think they will be canceling it anytime soon the book still has a very good fanbase and great upcoming story.

[Beast]

I don't think they will be canceling it anytime soon the book still has a very good fanbase and great upcoming story.
Compared to the other Ultimate titles, it doesn't. And LiTG already said it was cancelled.

[MattXG]

That's not proof it's not cancelled. In fact, that's more proof that it will be cancelled with UXM #100.

After all, the Ultimate Wolverine book was scrapped due to Ultimatum. ;)
What? How?

Perhaps they cancelled UW because of the gigantic anti-Loeb movement on the Ultimates?

[Beast]

What? How?

Perhaps they cancelled UW because of the gigantic anti-Loeb movement on the Ultimates?
Given it was cancelled due to Origins/Ultimatum, months before Loeb took over... no.

[MattXG]

Given it was cancelled due to Origins/Ultimatum, months before Loeb took over... no.
There are a million reasons the book could have been cancelled. There was an anti-Loeb on Ultimates movement months before he took over....LOL.

Its hardly proof UXM is ending when the writer of Ultimatium flat out says the whole point of the event is to revive the title.

I'm going to hunt this thread down after you are proven wrong....

[Brian M.]

What? How?

Perhaps they cancelled UW because of the gigantic anti-Loeb movement on the Ultimates?

Yea that makes sense. Cancel that book then give him the book that will reshape the Ultimate Universe...really?

[MattXG]

Yea that makes sense. Cancel that book then give him the book that will reshape the Ultimate Universe...really?
I'm sure they'd already reached an agreement that he'd be on the Ultimates.

So they just took away his side project....

[Magneto_X]

beginning of the end of the beginning…

Sounds like they're restarting both titles from #1 again.

[Beast]

Yea that makes sense. Cancel that book then give him the book that will reshape the Ultimate Universe...really?
Some people like to live in a fantasy land and can't see the writing on the wall.

[MattXG]

Sounds like they're restarting both titles from #1 again.

That wouldn't make any sense.

Also, the series isn't selling USM numbers but its still selling a lot better than a lot of the books marvel has kept running for years and years.

Why would they kill off such a profitable line after its first real "major event" ?

It doesn't make any sense.

I suspect, that yellow lighted rumor, got the wrong info when they heard "Ultimate X-Men" was cut when really it was just Ultimate Wolverine.

[Beast]

Sounds like they're restarting both titles from #1 again.
That's possible. They'd almost need to do a Crisis to fix the hot mess that is current Ultimate X-Men.

[Beast]

That wouldn't make any sense.

Also, the series isn't selling USM numbers but its still selling a lot better than a lot of the books marvel has kept running for years and years.

Why would they kill off such a profitable line after its first real "major event" ?

It doesn't make any sense.

I suspect, that yellow lighted rumor, got the wrong info when they heard "Ultimate X-Men" was cut when really it was just Ultimate Wolverine.
You would be wrong. It makes perfect sense. And no, it's selling horribly compared to what it should be.

[carabas]

Translation: Ultimate Spidey is fine but the other titles need an event to shake things up and get everyone on the same page.I'm guessing it's more like: Bendis threatened serious bodily harm if Loeb went anywhere near his book.

[Beast]

I'm guessing it's more like: Bendis threatened serious bodily harm if Loeb went anywhere near his book.
You mean the same Bendis who worked with Loeb on Ultimate Power? Really?

[MattXG]

You would be wrong. It makes perfect sense. And no, it's selling horribly compared to what it should be.

Oh is that so?

Its been regularly outselling.... Daredevil, X-Factor, New X-Men, New Excalibur, Exiles, Ms. Marvel, Incredible Hulk, Sensational Spider-Man, Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, Ghost Rider, She-Hulk, Cable & Deadpool, ect. ect. ect.

Its just a couple thousand off of USM and X-Men(616).

Also, it probably does more in trades...

No chance they are killing off the universe.

[Brian M.]

Oh is that so?

Its been regularly outselling.... Daredevil, X-Factor, New X-Men, New Excalibur, Exiles, Ms. Marvel, Incredible Hulk, Sensational Spider-Man, Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, Ghost Rider, She-Hulk, Cable & Deadpool, ect. ect. ect.

Its just a couple thousand off of USM and X-Men(616).

Also, it probably does more in trades...

No chance they are killing off the universe.

Highlighted we're cancelled.

Bad example.

[Beast]

Oh is that so?

Its been regularly outselling.... Daredevil, X-Factor, New X-Men, New Excalibur, Exiles, Ms. Marvel, Incredible Hulk, Sensational Spider-Man, Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, Ghost Rider, She-Hulk, Cable & Deadpool, ect. ect. ect.

Its just a couple thousand off of USM and X-Men(616).

Also, it probably does more in trades...

No chance they are killing off the universe.
Yes, that's so.

Ultimate is supposed to sell around the same or better than 616. Because it's supposed to be the more accessible books for incoming readers. But the book has been shedding readers like mad. Also, comparing it to low-selling satellite books instead of core books is very cheap of you. It's the core Ultimate X-Men book.

Also, it's selling 10,000 less than Ultimate Spider-Man and 40,000 less than X-Men.

7. X-MEN
12/01 New X-Men #121 - 112,227
12/02 New X-Men #135 - 96,154
12/03 New X-Men #150 - 110,591
12/04 X-Men #165 - 86,633
12/05 X-Men #180 - 74,386
=====
12/06 X-Men #194 - 78,114 ( -2.5%)
01/07 X-Men #195 - 76,900 ( -1.6%)
02/07 X-Men #196 - 75,707 ( -1.6%)
03/07 X-Men #197 - 75,184 ( -0.7%)
04/07 X-Men #198 - 74,841 ( -0.5%)
05/07 X-Men #199 - 75,996 ( +1.5%)
06/07 X-Men #200 - 156,787 (+106.3%)
07/07 X-Men #201 - 86,278 ( -45.0%)
08/07 X-Men #202 - 86,521 ( +0.3%)
09/07 X-Men #203 - 85,652 ( -1.0%)
10/07 X-Men #204 - 83,456 ( -2.6%)
11/07 X-Men #205 - 101,401 ( +21.5%)
12/07 X-Men #206 - 97,871 ( -3.5%)
6 mnth ( -37.6%)
1 year ( +25.3%)
2 year ( +31.6%)
3 year ( +13.0%)
4 year ( -11.5%)

“Messiah Complex” again. Issue #205 picks up re-orders of 2,314. After the crossover, the book is being relaunched in February as X-MEN: LEGACY.

28. ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN
12/01 Ult. Spider-Man #16 - 80,875
12/02 Ult. Spider-Man #33 - 99,404
12/03 Ult. Spider-Man #50 - 109,819
12/04 Ult. Spider-Man #70 - 88,960
12/05 Ult. Spider-Man #88 - 72,984
=====
12/06 Ult. Spider-Man #103 - 76,251 ( -1.1%)
01/07 Ult. Spider-Man #104 - 108,082 (+41.7%)
02/07 Ult. Spider-Man #105 - 74,376 (-31.2%)
03/07 Ult. Spider-Man #106 - 73,832 ( -1.3%)
03/07 Ult. Spider-Man #107 - 72,818 ( -1.4%)
04/07 Ult. Spider-Man #108 - 72,713 ( -0.1%)
05/07 Ult. Spider-Man #109 - 72,478 ( -0.3%)
06/07 Ult. Spider-Man #110 - 73,646 ( +1.6%)
07/07 Ult. Spider-Man #111 - 75,487 ( +2.5%)
08/07 Ult. Spider-Man #112 - 76,523 ( +1.4%)
09/07 Ult. Spider-Man #113 - 67,476 (-11.8%)
09/07 Ult. Spider-Man #114 - 66,682 ( -1.2%)
10/07 Ult. Spider-Man #115 - 74,310 (+11.4%)
11/07 Ult. Spider-Man #116 - 61,534 (-17.2%)
12/07 Ult. Spider-Man #117 - 60,361 ( -1.9%)
6 mnth (-18.0%)
1 year (-20.8%)
2 year (-17.3%)
3 year (-32.1%)
4 year (-45.0%)

Levelling out, but that drop over the last few months remains worrying.


38 ,42. ULTIMATE X-MEN
12/01 Ultimate X-Men #13 - 100,442
12/02 Ultimate X-Men #26 - 87,893
12/03 Ultimate X-Men #40 - 104,443
12/04 —
12/05 —
=====
12/06 Ultimate X-Men #77 - 67,338 ( -2.5%)
01/07 Ultimate X-Men #78 - 66,409 ( -1.4%)
02/07 Ultimate X-Men #79 - 64,363 ( -3.1%)
03/07 Ultimate X-Men #80 - 63,037 ( -2.1%)
04/07 Ultimate X-Men #81 - 62,926 ( -0.2%)
05/07 Ultimate X-Men #82 - 62,063 ( -1.4%)
06/07 Ultimate X-Men #83 - 59,677 ( -3.8%)
07/07 Ultimate X-Men #84 - 59,929 ( +0.4%)
08/07 Ultimate X-Men #85 - 57,660 ( -3.8%)
09/07 Ultimate X-Men #86 - 55,346 ( -4.0%)
10/07 Ultimate X-Men #87 - 63,028 (+13.9%)
11/07 —
12/07 Ultimate X-Men #88 - 51,633 (-18.1%)
12/07 Ultimate X-Men #89 - 50,516 ( -2.2%)
6 mnth (-15.4%)
1 year (-25.0%)
2 year ( — )
3 year ( — )
4 year (-51.6%)

Drifting around in the mid-table. At this stage, ULTIMATE X-MEN is really depending on “Ultimatum” to give it a boost.

[Beast]

Highlighted we're cancelled.

Bad example.
Shh. He's ignoring facts. Don't shake his fragile perceptions of the world.

[MattXG]

Highlighted we're cancelled.

Bad example.
And there are still plenty that HAVEN'T been cancelled and UXM was outselling them all...


Beast, its a business. 50-60k books a month on a title ISN'T bad in this business. Look they've kept books that do 20k a month around for years and years.

Also, 616 X-Men is having the benefit of a super big crossover event. The Ultimate line never has really had anything meant to be comparable and yet its always chugged along nicely. So, its unfair to say it should be selling better than the 616.

I don't think its MEANT to sell BETTER than the 616 as much as its just suppose to be a gateway to comics without having to deal with the ~40 years of comics that predates the 616 stuff....

I will show you no mercy when sticking your face in it when I'm proven right.:D

[Beast]

Also, 616 X-Men is having the benefit of a super big crossover event. The Ultimate line never has really had anything meant to be comparable and yet its always chugged along nicely. So, its unfair to say it should be selling better than the 616.
616 X-Men was still selling 25,000 more than UXM is. And that was before the crossover.

It's comparable.

I don't think its MEANT to sell BETTER than the 616 as much as its just suppose to be a gateway to comics without having to deal with the ~40 years of comics that predates the 616 stuff....

I will show you no mercy when sticking your face in it when I'm proven right.:D
Well, wish in one hand and crap in the other. See which one piles up first.

Ultimate X-Men is on the chopping block.

[MattXG]

616 X-Men was still selling 25,000 more than UXM is. And that was before the crossover.

It's comparable.

Well, wish in one hand and crap in the other. See which one piles up first.

Ultimate X-Men is on the chopping block.
Sales still spiked upwards in anticipation for the event. Don't lie to yourself.

I'm thinking after I'm proven right and UXM is still around for issue #101 and you are weeping over the shame I have brought you, I will take you out back, piledrive you and then finish you off with an elbow to the face from the top turnbuckle before the pin for the win. :D

[CMBMOOL]

If Ultimate X-men was canceled then what could it be renamed as ?:p

[Beast]

Sales still spiked upwards in anticipation for the event. Don't lie to yourself.

I'm thinking after I'm proven right and UXM is still around for issue #101 and you are weeping over the shame I have brought you, I will take you out back, piledrive you and then finish you off with an elbow to the face from the top turnbuckle before the pin for the win. :D
Uhhh, what magical land did that happen in. The sales boost only came with the crossover.

It was still selling 25K more than Ultimate X-Men does on a good day. Welcome to fact.

I can promise you that you won't be proven right. The book is cancelled.

[Red Lotus]

If Ultimate X-men was canceled then what could it be renamed as ?:p

Same thing I was thinking. After 100 they need to start it over with a #1.

[Beast]

If Ultimate X-men was canceled then what could it be renamed as ?:p
Ultimate Ultimate X-Men.

Ultimate New X-Men.

Ultimate New Mutants.

Ultimate X-Factor.

Ultimate Kirkman's Run is Ignored X-Men.

[MattXG]

Uhhh, what magical land did that happen in. The sales boost only came with the crossover.

It was still selling 25K more than Ultimate X-Men does on a good day. Welcome to fact.

I can promise you that you won't be proven right. The book is cancelled.

12/06 (AKA before the #200/pre-MC bump) X-Men 78,000
12/06 UXM 67,000

25,000 huh? L O L

01/07 (AKA still pre-#200/pre-MC) X-Men 76,000
01/07 UXM 66,000

25,000 huh? L O L

[Red Lotus]

Ultimate Ultimate X-Men.

Ultimate New X-Men.

Ultimate New Mutants.

Ultimate X-Factor.

Ultimate Kirkman's Run is Ignored X-Men.

I Like Ultimate Astonishing X-Men better

[carabas]

You mean the same Bendis who worked with Loeb on Ultimate Power? Really?There a big difference between working with Loeb on some cross-over that doesn't involve your own book in any significant way, and letting Loeb mess up your own book that you've been crafting for over five years now.

[Shadow ES]

As far as I'm concerned, UXM ended after the Mojo arc.

[Beast]

12/06 (AKA before the #200/pre-MC bump) X-Men 78,000
12/06 UXM 67,000

25,000 huh? L O L

01/07 (AKA still pre-#200/pre-MC) X-Men 76,000
01/07 UXM 66,000

25,000 huh? L O L
It's adorable that you go back to early in Carey's run after the book lost readers due to Austen and Milligan and to near the start of Kirkman's run (before it was clearly constantly awful) to try to prove your point. Try an actual current comparison. Of course, like above twisting the facts is the only way your argument works. ;)

[MattXG]

It's adorable that you go back to early in Carey's run after the book lost readers due to Austen and Milligan and to near the start of Kirkman's run (before it was clearly constantly awful) to try to prove your point. Try an actual current comparison. Of course, like above twisting the facts is the only way your argument works. ;)
I started buying starting at #200 and continued to do so because I knew the storyline was leading directly into MC.

I'm SURE I'm not alone.

You said I was wrong about that and X-Men was outselling UXM by 25,000 even on a good day. Now you are backpedalling.

I CAN'T wait to see how you'll backpedal when UXM #101 hits stores. :)

X-Men was at 75,000 in May with issue #199 versus UXM's 62,000 (25,000 huh L O L) then the sales jumped up post #200 because the storyline was billed as leading right into MC.

[Beast]

I started buying starting at #200 and continued to do so because I knew the storyline was leading directly into MC.

I'm SURE I'm not alone.

You said I was wrong about that and X-Men was outselling UXM by 25,000 even on a good day. Now you are backpedalling.

I CAN'T wait to see how you'll backpedal when UXM #101 hits stores. :)
Not backpedling. Proving you wrong. And it won't. Cancelled at #100.

[MattXG]

Uhhh, what magical land did that happen in. The sales boost only came with the crossover.

It was still selling 25K more than Ultimate X-Men does on a good day. Welcome to fact.

I can promise you that you won't be proven right. The book is cancelled.
X-Men was at 75,000 in May with issue #199 versus UXM's 62,000 (25,000 huh L O L) then the sales jumped up post-#200 because the storyline was billed as leading right into MC.

Backpedal some more, Beast. L O L

[Toboe]

I wouldn't be surprise if we got an Ultimate Wolverine ongoing instead.

[ThePhenom]

While I think the original quotes prove nothing I also think that Marvel are too big of marketing whores to cancel both out, I think seeing the sales on the crossover will be the first attempt, rebooting as second then cancelling last.

Though I see Beast as entirely right with these sales facts, UXM since the start of Kirkman's run has hit a sales downward spiral and despite the purpose of the UU being less continuity-heavy, money is money and decreasing sales is bad.

Also the second could be called: Ultimate Academy of Tomorrow :cool:.

[Young Avenger]

I bet Ultimate X-Men will be begging for cancellation once Ultimatium is done.

[Vapour Trail]

As far as I'm concerned, UXM ended after the Mojo arc.

quoted for truth.

[desanth]

Personally, I think MattXG's arguement is crappy and in the end, just wishful thinking. I'm not saying UXM will be cancelled, but I wouldn't be surprised(I actually kind of expect) that it'd go on hiatus for an indefinite amount of time. I could see it coming back a couple months after Ultimatum, especially if its given a nice revamp to get some quality writing in there[actually I see lots of opportunity for quality issues focusing on the characters and their development rather than old 90s storylines rehashed]. I guess it matters what Ultimatum is really.

[Prime24]

I got lazy and decided to repeat one of my old posts from a previous thread ;

I found an article over at Wizarduniverse.com. Here are some excerpts;
Posted April 27, 2007 12:55 PM


MARVEL CONFIDENTIAL
Marvel Comics held a major creative summit in New York City this week and Wizard was there! Get the inside scoop on what’s coming up from Joe Quesada, Brian Michael Bendis, Jeph Loeb, Ed Brubaker and many more!

WIZARD: What character or project are you most excited for coming out of this summit?

J MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI (Amazing Spider-Man writer): “I have to say the discussion we had about the Ultimate Universe and what’s going to happen with Reed Richards and Magneto in a project Brian [Bendis] and Jeph Loeb are working on.”

AXEL ALONSO (senior editor): “Besides my own books, I’m also very excited about the plans for Ultimate X-Men, because it’s something I’ve wanted us to do for at least a year. That the plan to get there is interesting is just gravy for me. The launch pad for Ultimate X-Men for the future really intrigues me. No matter how we get there, it’s a home run. I should actually be worried because I edit [the X-Men titles] and I’m going to have some stiff competition.”

BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS (New Avengers, Mighty Avengers writer): “It’s going to sound selfish because it’s the stuff I’m working on, but I’m very relieved and thrilled that for the big event I’m working on, the plan stayed in one piece the whole time. If it survives this, it will survive. I was also getting a little concerned about lack of planning for the Ultimate Universe, but now that has been fixed and there are genuine awesome plans for the next calendar year with me and Loeb. For those who needed it, this will revitalize interest in the [Ultimate] books, and for those who haven’t been buying, you’re going to get some nice payoff. I’ve invested a lot of my life in the Ultimate books and to see them living for another year in such grand fashion is a big relief to me.”

ED BRUBAKER: (Captain America writer): “I’m really excited for all the stuff they talked about doing with the Ultimate Universe. As much as everything was really interesting, as a reader, I’m excited to see that.”

JEPH LOEB (Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America writer): “I think what we have in mind for the Ultimate Universe is going to blow people’s minds. I knew I wanted to be involved in the end result; I didn’t know the lead-up would be something I’d be involved in, but working with Brian is going to make a lot of sense. We want to restore the ‘wow’ factor that unlike in regular continuity, anything can happen, and there are a lot of surprises left in the Ultimate Universe.

it's not gospel. just my 2 cents on the topic

[CmX]

The title is gonna get canned and rebooted. IMO

[Angelus II]

Sounds like they're restarting both titles from #1 again.

Did someone say Ultimate X-Men 2 #1

[Sonicjuce]

Did someone say Ultimate X-Men 2 #1

Best name I've heard so far.

This wouldn't surprise me though. Marvel loves number ones.

Also whoever suggested Ultimate Astonishing X-Men: Two adjectives sounds horrible. Lets hope they don't do that.

[MattXG]

I got lazy and decided to repeat one of my old posts from a previous thread ;

I found an article over at Wizarduniverse.com. Here are some excerpts;
Posted April 27, 2007 12:55 PM


MARVEL CONFIDENTIAL
Marvel Comics held a major creative summit in New York City this week and Wizard was there! Get the inside scoop on what’s coming up from Joe Quesada, Brian Michael Bendis, Jeph Loeb, Ed Brubaker and many more!

WIZARD: What character or project are you most excited for coming out of this summit?

J MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI (Amazing Spider-Man writer): “I have to say the discussion we had about the Ultimate Universe and what’s going to happen with Reed Richards and Magneto in a project Brian [Bendis] and Jeph Loeb are working on.”

AXEL ALONSO (senior editor): “Besides my own books, I’m also very excited about the plans for Ultimate X-Men, because it’s something I’ve wanted us to do for at least a year. That the plan to get there is interesting is just gravy for me. The launch pad for Ultimate X-Men for the future really intrigues me. No matter how we get there, it’s a home run. I should actually be worried because I edit [the X-Men titles] and I’m going to have some stiff competition.”

BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS (New Avengers, Mighty Avengers writer): “It’s going to sound selfish because it’s the stuff I’m working on, but I’m very relieved and thrilled that for the big event I’m working on, the plan stayed in one piece the whole time. If it survives this, it will survive. I was also getting a little concerned about lack of planning for the Ultimate Universe, but now that has been fixed and there are genuine awesome plans for the next calendar year with me and Loeb. For those who needed it, this will revitalize interest in the [Ultimate] books, and for those who haven’t been buying, you’re going to get some nice payoff. I’ve invested a lot of my life in the Ultimate books and to see them living for another year in such grand fashion is a big relief to me.”

ED BRUBAKER: (Captain America writer): “I’m really excited for all the stuff they talked about doing with the Ultimate Universe. As much as everything was really interesting, as a reader, I’m excited to see that.”

JEPH LOEB (Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America writer): “I think what we have in mind for the Ultimate Universe is going to blow people’s minds. I knew I wanted to be involved in the end result; I didn’t know the lead-up would be something I’d be involved in, but working with Brian is going to make a lot of sense. We want to restore the ‘wow’ factor that unlike in regular continuity, anything can happen, and there are a lot of surprises left in the Ultimate Universe.

it's not gospel. just my 2 cents on the topic
Please, Prime24, words STRAIGHT FROM PEOPLE IN THE KNOW is just "wishful thinking".

Gut feelings from old comic nerds on a forum and a rumors section (that had a yellow light I might add) -- that's fact. :rolleyes:

[Christopher O]

Please, Prime24, words STRAIGHT FROM PEOPLE IN THE KNOW is just "wishful thinking".

Gut feelings from old comic nerds on a forum and a rumors section (that had a yellow light I might add) -- that's fact. :rolleyes:

Funny thing. You never know who's in the know on a comic book forum.

[darksaint124]

I'm guessing it's more like: Bendis threatened serious bodily harm if Loeb went anywhere near his book.

Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner!!!:D

[ThePhenom]

Please, Prime24, words STRAIGHT FROM PEOPLE IN THE KNOW is just "wishful thinking".

Gut feelings from old comic nerds on a forum and a rumors section (that had a yellow light I might add) -- that's fact. :rolleyes:

These quotes are purposely ambigous so either way you can't be absolute about what's going to happen and no need to get malicious about it either, it's a pretty dumb assumption to make that your the one young and not nerdy person on here...

[Magneto_X]

I wouldn't be surprise if we got an Ultimate Wolverine ongoing instead.

It's possible.

Thing is the previous Ultimatum interviews Loeb gave subtle hints about merging both Ult. FF and X-men into a new title.

[Magneto_X]

Did someone say Ultimate X-Men 2 #1

Exactly!

An Ultimate X-men #1 would sell tonnes of copies. They can even start from scratch story-wise with it. Not a complete reboot more like a new status quo based off the events in Ultimatum.

[Joe Franklin]

It will be cancelled and re-started as Ultimate X-Men Vol. 2, with a new #1 issue. Hide and watch.;)

[togeteiku42]

I don't really consider changing it to Ultimate X-men vol. 2 canceling the book. That's just retitling to boost sales. A true cancel for me would have to completely end the title.

[FeminineMystique]

I'm guessing it's more like: Bendis threatened serious bodily harm if Loeb went anywhere near his book.


And god bless him for it. While Kirkman has had his ups and downs, I'm not sold on Loeb. I've liked some of his other work but Ultimates 3 feels too rushed. I'm liking the Brotherhood, and Magneto is well characterised so far (As is Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch) But the rest...eh. He seems to be painting with rather broad strokes. Cap is JUST the 1940's guy who is out of place in the modern era. Hawkeye is JUST the desperate, deranged loner. Wasp is JUST the level headed leader type. Stark is JUST the drunken playboy.

I'm hoping that when the series "Takes a breather" as Loeb has promised it would in issue 3, things will improve. But I'm just greatly releived that Ultimatum isn't touching Ultimate Spidey. (Which is living proof that the Ultimate Universe is continuing. Bendis has talked about the book going on into "Well in the #140's" which will go long past Ultimatum)

[Evil-Spidey]

Not backpedling. Proving you wrong. And it won't. Cancelled at #100.

Lol. Why are you so sure of that?:rolleyes:

[rwsmith]

I hope they do something cool with it, honestly. Ultimate X-men is the book that got me back into comics after college (I quit reading in the late 90's).

Personally I don't see why they didn't just put Warren Ellis and Simone Bianchi on this book and allow Astonishing to be a self-contained Whedon/Cassaday story. But my great hope is that Mark Millar and Bryan Hitch will take over this book post issue #100 and use all of the great ideas that they had for their 616 X-men relaunch (which they were initially going to do after Ultimates Vol. 2 but decided on Fantastic Four instead).

If not them, then Brian M. had a hell of an idea: Jason Aaron and Dave Finch/Ron Garney. That team would absolutely rule all.

[carabas]

Personally I don't see why they didn't just put Warren Ellis and Simone Bianchi on this book and allow Astonishing to be a self-contained Whedon/Cassaday story.Because both Whedon has no interest right now in telling more X-Men stories, and Marvel isn't just going to cancel their top-selling X-book just because the creative team are done with the story they wanted to tell.

[rwsmith]

My point is that I think it'd sell just as well if Ellis and Bianchi did Ultimate X-men instead. And that way all of the 616 purists won't get their panties in a wad when Ellis starts doing some weird shit with the X-men (like they did when Morrison took over).

Regardless, I am kind of excited to at least see what Loeb and Bendis have planned for the Ultimate Universe that will make it so different. So far it sounds like it will be kind of post-apocalyptic or something (like AoA if it had never reverted back), which would be cool with me. In fact, Millar and McNiven could've taken over this book and done something like Old Man Logan in the Ultimate Universe (with Wolverine having now become the Ultimate version of Cable in light of his battle with Apocalypse). That would be sufficiently off-the-wall and different from the regular Marvel U, which is something all of the Ultimate books need right now. As it stands, they are pretty redundant IMO.

[Evil-Spidey]

Regardless, I am kind of excited to at least see what Loeb and Bendis have planned for the Ultimate Universe that will make it so different. So far it sounds like it will be kind of post-apocalyptic or something (like AoA if it had never reverted back), which would be cool with me.
They said USM would stay basiclly untouched even after Ultimatum and will continue it's storys like before and that wouldn't be possible in a post-apocalyptic world.

[timomcshade]

If they did ANYTHING to USM Bendis would go all Daredevil #50 on everyone in the Marvel Offices.

If you don't get the reference here is what happens in DD #50 ***spoilers***Daredevil/Matt Murdock just loses his mind and beats the Kingpin to within an inch of his life, then runs him over with a car which he then proceeds to ram into a bar, then declares himself the new Kingpin of Hell's Kitchen. He then leaves the Kingpin bleeding on the floor, barely alive.***spoilers***

Bendis would definitely do that should anyone touch USM. Hell he wouldn't have to as the fans would do it for him as USM is the only good Spidey book out there after the horrible OMD/BND BS we are being fed.

[JackBurton01]

I honestly think they will cancel both books as ongoing series and they will now go the way of te ultimates with only 12 to 13 issue runs when someone as a story to tell. Which honestly wouldn't be that bad.

[carabas]

If they did ANYTHING to USM Bendis would ... I think he might just go and start writing Detective Comics or JLA. And publish Powers through Wildstorm or Vertigo.

[CmX]

When the hell does the conclusion to this arc come out already? This week or next ? Can't come soon enough.

[Beast]

When the hell does the conclusion to this arc come out already? This week or next ? Can't come soon enough.
Next week. And it can't come any sooner for me. Yay for new writer next month!

[timomcshade]

When the hell does the conclusion to this arc come out already? This week or next ? Can't come soon enough.

New arc and writer starts with issue #94 that comes out in May. Writer is Aaron Coilete from Heroes.

[CmX]

New arc and writer starts with issue #94 that comes out in May. Writer is Aaron Coilete from Heroes.

yeah I'm totally aware, I'm just asking when Kirkman's shit ends already, next week can't come any sooner. Don't understand why it was delayed if Larroca isn't even drawing it.

[SuperFeen]

I've been out of the Ultimate loop for a while now so I may be late or way off, but is Ultimatum the ultimate uni's answer to House of M? In Ultimates 3 issue 3 they show Wanda losing it and creating the dinosaurs in the Savage Land, Magneto's involvement in Ultimatum, and the talk of UXM being cancelled makes me think this is the case.

I guess the big argument against this is that Scarlett Witch is seeming killed in the first issue, but I take that with a grain of salt. Any thoughts?

[Joe Franklin]

Next week. And it can't come any sooner for me. Yay for new writer next month!

Better story and better art.:smile:

[timomcshade]

I've been out of the Ultimate loop for a while now so I may be late or way off, but is Ultimatum the ultimate uni's answer to House of M? In Ultimates 3 issue 3 they show Wanda losing it and creating the dinosaurs in the Savage Land, Magneto's involvement in Ultimatum, and the talk of UXM being cancelled makes me think this is the case.

I guess the big argument against this is that Scarlett Witch is seeming killed in the first issue, but I take that with a grain of salt. Any thoughts?

I think that may be where they are going with this because I got the same impression. Although remember Wanda making the Dino's appear happened in a flashback while Wolverine was recanting his tail. The whole thing about Quicksilver protecting Wanda from herself struck a trigger in my head that said Ultimate House of M?

[Evil-Spidey]

I'm glad they'll cancel this book and UFF and i hope they don't just restart them with a volume 2 without changing anything major insidethe books.

[ZeoVGM]

Why would you even bump this?

[Eye in the Sky]

There are a million reasons the book could have been cancelled. There was an anti-Loeb on Ultimates movement months before he took over....LOL.

Its hardly proof UXM is ending when the writer of Ultimatium flat out says the whole point of the event is to revive the title.

I'm going to hunt this thread down after you are proven wrong....

Wonder when he's gonna come back to eat crow.

[pariah-1972]

I wouldn't shed a tear if they canceled it i stopped reading it sometime during Kirkman's run i also don't think theres much point in Ultimate X-men anymore much less any of the other ones - regular Spider-man seems more and more like the Ultimate one and i'm tired of alternative universe x-stories who's only point is to shuffle things around slightly.


Ultimates still seems like it could be interesting for some strange reason but that remains to be scene after Ultimatum.

I have also given up trying to understand or make sense of Marvel's business idea's at this point .

[ZeoVGM]

Wonder when he's gonna come back to eat crow.

Has it been officially cancelled yet?

[Eye in the Sky]

Has it been officially cancelled yet?

Yea both it and Ultimate FF are gone.

Replaced by Ultimate Avengers and then Loeb's New Ultimates with I think Frank Cho.

I also believe there is one more book to be announced.

[Evil-Spidey]

I also believe there is one more book to be announced.

Isn't a Ultimate Ghost Rider confirmed?

[Eye in the Sky]

Isn't a Ultimate Ghost Rider confirmed?

Not as a book no, but as a character in Millar's book.

[Kyle_Ion]

still can't believe that Ultimate Xmen and Ultimate Fantastic Four is going to end, I've been reading both from the beginning to end, I actually like all of the story arcs of the Ultimate Xmen and the Ultimate Fantastic Four. All I can do is hope that they make a second series of Ultimate Xmen and a second series of ultimate fantasic four

[storableprawn]

We're not seeing the end of those concepts. I really don't think they'll limit the Ultimate Universe to the Avengers and Spider-Man.

[Zombie Uatu]

I have a really strong feeling that one of the new books launching after Ultimatum will be a 'Young Heroes' title, featuring characters from the Spider-Man cast, the survivors of the FF, and one or two of the younger X-Men.

It's also possible they'll give us 'Ultimate X-Force' or some such.

[Don Yoyo]

We're not seeing the end of those concepts. I really don't think they'll limit the Ultimate Universe to the Avengers and Spider-Man.

I think they said there would be five titles in the Ultimate Universe after Ultimatum. Out of the five, we know three : Ultimate Spider-Man of Bendis, Ultimate Avengers of Millar and New Ultimates of Loeb.

[Kage Kisaragi]

That's possible. They'd almost need to do a Crisis to fix the hot mess that is current Ultimate X-Men.

how is it a hot mess when it doesn't have to follow any set continuity? I stopped after the steroid story that came from wolverines blood. But only because I got tired of buying individual issues, and im pretty much awaiting trades and trades only now.

[ZeoVGM]

I think they said there would be five titles in the Ultimate Universe after Ultimatum. Out of the five, we know three : Ultimate Spider-Man of Bendis, Ultimate Avengers of Millar and New Ultimates of Loeb.

Could someone pleaseeee link to where this horrible title of "New Ultimates" came from?

[IAMFuzzy]

Could someone pleaseeee link to where this horrible title of "New Ultimates" came from?
It was in the Marvel Spotlight: Ultimatum issue. It seemed like a joke to me.

[dreyga2000]

LOL.... I bet the guy who made this thread feels like an idiot now....:tongue:

For what it's worth I thought the same thing... Now I feel dumb...

[Kage Kisaragi]

LOL.... I bet the guy who made this thread feels like an idiot now....:tongue:

For what it's worth I thought the same thing... Now I feel dumb...

Did they confirm that ulltimate X-Men were cancelled after ultimatium?

[Eye in the Sky]

Did they confirm that ulltimate X-Men were cancelled after ultimatium?

It's been answered about 9 times in this thread.

Yes, they confirmed it. It and UFF are done after #100 and #60. Last solicits revealed this.

[vazel]

LOL.... I bet the guy who made this thread feels like an idiot now....:tongue:

For what it's worth I thought the same thing... Now I feel dumb...Me too I bet a lot feel the same way. All we had to do was point to the good sales on these two titles as proof that they would not be canceled. Still baffles me why Marvel did it...

[Eye in the Sky]

Me too I bet a lot feel the same way. All we had to do was point to the good sales on these two titles as proof that they would not be canceled. Still baffles me why Marvel did it...

Because not every cancellation is sales related.

[vazel]

Because not every cancellation is sales related.But sales has been the main factor with canceling virtually all of the other ongoings that have been canceled(when the 'cancellation' wasn't just a run-up to a relaunch). Considering the state of the comics industry canceling good selling titles just seems baffling. But Marvel already owns 50% of the comics industry marketshare so they can afford to be like that.

It's funny I started a thread on another forum asking why more people aren't reading comics and one of the reasons listed was how things never end and eventually retcons happen and people come back from the dead. Maybe this is a step in the right direction the Ultimate line may be the closest superhero comics will get to Vertigo. Well maybe except for the people staying dead bit. Although Flycatcher did bring people back from the dead in Fables. Suppose it's not that bad unless it feels half-assed and takes away from a poignant death like with Beast's revival in UXM.

[vazel]

Edit: double post.

[IAMFuzzy]

It's funny I started a thread on another forum asking why more people aren't reading comics and one of the reasons listed was how things never end and eventually retcons happen and people come back from the dead.
The one at GAF?

[prashant32]

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[John Lynch]

New Ultimates of Loeb.Why? Wasn't Ultimates 3 bad enough?

[Eye in the Sky]

But sales has been the main factor with canceling virtually all of the other ongoings that have been canceled(when the 'cancellation' wasn't just a run-up to a relaunch). Considering the state of the comics industry canceling good selling titles just seems baffling. But Marvel already owns 50% of the comics industry marketshare so they can afford to be like that.

New X-Men wasn't cancelled because of sales, it was cancelled because the premise that it was founded on was so drastically destroyed that it would not make sense for the title to continue on as is. Cable and Deadpool, can be argued, that it was ended because of the drastic change in Cable's mission. Avengers relaunched under New Avengers because of the drastic change in mission statement. I think you will see that at the end of Ultimatum, you will understand why Ultimate X-Men and Ultimate FF are cancelled.

[vazel]

New X-Men was replaced by Young X-Men. Deadpool and Cable was replaced by Cable. Avengers was replaced by New Avengers. All those books were relaunched not canceled.But sales has been the main factor with canceling virtually all of the other ongoings that have been canceled(when the 'cancellation' wasn't just a run-up to a relaunch). Considering the state of the comics industry canceling good selling titles just seems baffling. But Marvel already owns 50% of the comics industry marketshare so they can afford to be like that.

[rwsmith]

And it's most likely that UXM and UFF will be replaced by something else as well.

[vazel]

And it's most likely that UXM and UFF will be replaced by something else as well.
And if those titles star the same characters and feature Fantastic Four and X-Men teams then it'll be a relaunch. Maybe some characters will be missing and some new ones will come onboard but that'll all be part of the relaunch.

[Kiden]

Deadpool and Cable was replaced by Cable.

And Deadpool!

[Eye in the Sky]

New X-Men was replaced by Young X-Men. Deadpool and Cable was replaced by Cable. Avengers was replaced by New Avengers. All those books were relaunched not canceled.

You missed my point entirely. I wasn't saying the characters went away, I was saying the titles were cancelled because of the story, not sales.

[vazel]

You missed my point entirely. I wasn't saying the characters went away, I was saying the titles were cancelled because of the story, not sales.Those titles' 'cancellation' was only to then give them relaunches immediately after.

[carabas]

New X-Men wasn't cancelled because of sales, it was cancelled because the premise that it was founded on was so drastically destroyed that it would not make sense for the title to continue on as is...I'm pretty sure that if New X-Men had been selling better than it had, that editorial would have found a way to not drastically destroy the book's raison d'être.

If Ultimate X-Men would still have been a top 10 title, Loeb would likely not be allowed to use tham as throwaway casualties. Hell, if UXM would still be at top 10 book, there probably wouldn't be an Ultimatum to begin with, since the main reason it exists is to shake things up, bring some attention to the line, and relaunch some books with shiny new #1s..

[pryde15]

I'm pretty sure that if New X-Men had been selling better than it had, that editorial would have found a way to not drastically destroy the book's raison d'être.

If Ultimate X-Men would still have been a top 10 title, Loeb would likely not be allowed to use tham as throwaway casualties. Hell, if UXM would still be at top 10 book, there probably wouldn't be an Ultimatum to begin with, since the main reason it exists is to shake things up, bring some attention to the line, and relaunch some books with shiny new #1s..

New X-Men was rising in sales, and had a fairly well sized following. The reason for it's cancellation did have to do with Eye in Sky's reasoning. The premise was gone after Messiah Complex since the X-Men were disbanded.

[vazel]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_X-Men

You people don't really fall for these cancellation stunts do you? Can't distinguish between a cancellation and a relaunch? The relaunches often do happen around a major arc but they're still continuations of the 'canceled' titles. Not that I think relaunches are a bad thing they're a good starting point for new readers to jump on which is precisely why they're done.

[Eye in the Sky]

I'm pretty sure that if New X-Men had been selling better than it had, that editorial would have found a way to not drastically destroy the book's raison d'être.

If Ultimate X-Men would still have been a top 10 title, Loeb would likely not be allowed to use tham as throwaway casualties. Hell, if UXM would still be at top 10 book, there probably wouldn't be an Ultimatum to begin with, since the main reason it exists is to shake things up, bring some attention to the line, and relaunch some books with shiny new #1s..

It was said in a past interview, Nick Lowe I believe, that the book had a good ending point and that a new title was necessary to fit with the new status quo. Now I'm not one of those people who assume everything I hear from Marvel is true, but why lie about that? They've been honest in the past about relaunching books for sales bump.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_X-Men

You people don't really fall for these cancellation stunts do you? Can't distinguish between a cancellation and a relaunch? The relaunches often do happen around a major arc but they're still continuations of the 'canceled' titles. Not that I think relaunches are a bad thing they're a good starting point for new readers to jump on which is precisely why they're done.

Yea, I know about Young X-Men and quoting wikipedia is like getting news from the Daily Show, it's a joke.

Finish Ultimatum and when the story dictates the cancellation of the titles, I'll come back for the "I told you so".

[vazel]

Finish Ultimatum and when the story dictates the cancellation of the titles, I'll come back for the "I told you so".Of course there will be a reason in the story to end the series but that reason was come up with after the decision was made to end the titles to make way for new Ultimate titles.

[carabas]

It was said in a past interview, Nick Lowe I believe, that the book had a good ending point and that a new title was necessary to fit with the new status quo. Now I'm not one of those people who assume everything I hear from Marvel is true, but why lie about that? They've been honest in the past about relaunching books for sales bump.And nothing that I have said contradict what you are saying.
UXM has been brought to a somewhat natural conclusion (I'll have to take your word for it - dropped this as soon as the Heroes writer took over) because the decision had already been made to relaunch the book (or whetever they intend to do with it).
The book is not canceled because it's been brought to a good ending point (by a writer who started long after the plans and fall out of Ultimatum were alrteady set in stone), it is being brought to a good ending because that's neater than just canceling it at a random point.

If UXM would still be a top 10 book, do you really think that the new status quo wouldn't be amended to accomodate it's continued existance?