Were Limp Bizkit the greatest band of the late 90's?

[(NO)]

I really can't think of a better band from that era. I mean look at them on paper, they wrote classic songs such as Nookie & rollin. They had Wes Borland who's a guitar god & Fred durst who has such an amazing voice. I've never heard so much raw emotion from a lead singer or a group before. True innovators also.

The way I see it, Limp Bizkit is #1 with Yo La Tengo a distant 2nd.

[(NO)]

I wish we could embed youtube videos.

[the goddamn batman]

No.

Franky, I thought there were crap. Wes Borland might be a good guitar player, but I never saw evidence of that in anything they ever did... other than their complete collapse once he left. Bless you for that, Wes.

Fred Durst is a little bitch. I saw them get boo'd off stage before MTV blew them up, and Fred was literally crying as he told off the crowd for being pussies who didnt know how to rock. Now that's raw emotion.

As for classics? I couldn't tell you how any of their songs went.

No offence to you, but you did ask.:)

[Valmore]

I'm really hoping this is sarcasm.

Please, let this be sarcasm.

Because if it's not... I think the spirit of rock and roll just died.

[(NO)]

^Name a better band from the late 90's?

No.
I saw them get boo'd off stage before MTV blew them up, and Fred was literally crying as he told off the crowd for being pussies who didnt know how to rock.

Oh man, what concert was that?

[Ilash]

No.

And please tell me that your Behind Blue Eyes thingymabobin (you know, that thing under your name) is a reference to the real version of the song not Limp Biskit bastardization. What the hell kind of name is Limp Biskit anyway? Why don't they just call themselves Kinda Crap and get it over with?

Hell, if they were the last band on earth, they still wouldn't be the greatest band in the world. No, that honour would belong to the group of monkeys sitting in the corner banging stones together.

So, um, yeah, I don't really like 'em, personally.

Hmmm... I just trashed the hell out of your favourite band didn't I? Sorry, nothing personal, I just think they're awful beyond words. Seriously.

[Deathstroke]

No they weren't.

Quite frankly the whole rap metal thing is enough to make any rock/metal fan want to cry for the death of music.

[Endless Flight]

Not even close.

[(NO)]

And please tell me that your Behind Blue Eyes thingymabobin (you know, that thing under your name) is a reference to the real version of the song not Limp Biskit bastardization.

It's a reference to Limp Bizkit's version. I don't really like the original.

Bizkit's version is just so much better. I like their addition of synths & samples to the arrangement. Supports the mood.

[(NO)]

I never got why metal fans hate them so much. Theres's not to big of difference between them & let's say... Pantera or hell, even Slayer. Just add rap vocals.

Are metal fans just anti-rap?

[Deathstroke]

I never got why metal fans hate them so much. Theres's not to big of difference between them & let's say... Pantera or hell, even Slayer. Just add rap vocals.

Are metal fans just anti-rap?

For the most part, yes.

Anthrax's "I'm The Man" being the obvious exception. And it's not just that's it's rap metal. It's that it's BAD music period.

[(NO)]

I don't know dude. This is a multi-platinum group we're talkin about here. I don't think millions of people would keep on buying their music if it's "bad".

[Hiromi]

Your user name happens to answer your question perfectly.

[Hiromi]

I never got why metal fans hate them so much. Theres's not to big of difference between them & let's say... Pantera or hell, even Slayer. Just add rap vocals.

Are metal fans just anti-rap?

Wow, no, just no.

And no I'm not anti rap, I'm anti bad music.

[the goddamn batman]

I don't know dude. This is a multi-platinum group we're talkin about here. I don't think millions of people would keep on buying their music if it's "bad".

So you like Britney Spears, too?

Just because somebody sold a lot of records doesn't make them good.

Oha nd, it was a Primus show in the 90's. Fred called the audience pussies as he cried like a littel bitch. In retrospect it was possibly one of the coolest things I've ever seen.

[(NO)]

"Nookie" was #1 on TRL a few times. I don't think stuff like that happens to bad songs.

[(NO)]

So you like Britney Spears, too?

Just because somebody sold a lot of records doesn't make them good.



Honestly, I like a few Britney Spears songs. Toxic, Slave 4 U, Gimme More are all great. Alot of people & even critics would agree with me.

[twilight]

(NO),each thread you make is better than the last.

-Twi

[Endless Flight]

I wouldn't use TRL as a basis to decide what's 'good'.

[(NO)]

Okay, how do YOU decide what's "good"?

[Hiromi]

I'll give you a hint, its not popularity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

and just off the top of my head as I haven't even thought about Bizkit in years is that Durst is a terrible vocalist.

[(NO)]

Well if not's popularity then what is it?

[Agent Helix]

You guys know he's just trolling, right? I mean, you're aware of this fact?

[(NO)]

Maybe it's just all relative.

[(NO)]

You guys know he's just trolling, right? I mean, you're aware of this fact?

I'm not insulting anybody am I? Just trying to have a serious music discussion.

[GRANT!]

^Name a better band from the late 90's?

Radiohead
Pavement
Flaming Lips
Spoon
At the Drive-In
Sleater-Kinney
Modest Mouse
Built to Spill
The White Stripes
Granddaddy
Mogwai
Blur
Rage Against the Machine
And They Will Know Us By the Trail of the Dead

I don't know. I could basically fill this up with my most of my playlist from my iPod. That's just picking artist who either started out in the late 90s or recorded some of their best stuff during that period.

[GRANT!]

Well if not's popularity then what is it?

Songcraft and innovation. Boston sold more records then the Velvet Underground. Doesn't mean they are the better band.

[GRANT!]

I'm really hoping this is sarcasm.

Please, let this be sarcasm.

Because if it's not... I think the spirit of rock and roll just died.

Of course it is. Everyone knows Creed was the best band of the late 90s.

[Indigo Al]

Of course it is. Everyone knows Creed was the best band of the late 90s.

Just like Nickelback is the best band of the aughts.

Fred Durst --- what a gifted man he is...

[jesse_custer]

Why yes, Limp Bizkit fits that title quite well. Good job.

[ThePhenom]

Maybe it's just all relative.

I agree with you there. I think people tend to get all high and mighty because there are such distinct definitions of what is good in music: "sells a lot", "pickier fans like it as a whole", "is more artistically written", blah blah blah. Ultimately, it is all just relativity and the lack of objective truths in opinion.

But even having said my beef with music forumer elitism, you won't find too many ways in which Limp Bizkit are critically acclaimed by mainstream media outlets (Rolling Stone, NME, etc.), musicians or personal tastes from those who have an inch of passion about music.

Also, Fred Durst tends to be universally regarded as a douchebag.

[Aubergine~!]

(NO),each thread you make is better than the last.

-Twi

Nah, nothing's ever going to top the 'My father who was an ex-Latin King beat me up' thread.

[hoffmandu]

Did he just compare Bizkit to Pantera? Slayer? These 2 bands dwarf Bizkit. In fact, as far as I'm concerend LB is already forgotten.

[cactusmaac]

I never got why metal fans hate them so much. Theres's not to big of difference between them & let's say... Pantera or hell, even Slayer. Just add rap vocals.

Are metal fans just anti-rap?

My head just exploded.

[hoffmandu]

Also, Fred Durst tends to be universally regarded as a douchebag.


I love this. I will laugh about this later.

[jesse_custer]

Here's why Durst's music and attitude reek of bullshit. He once was challenged by Scott Stapp to a boxing match, and he wouldn't take it. So much for breaking stuff.

[hoffmandu]

Even Stapp, King of puss bible Rock, thinks Durst is a complete load...........I will laugh about this one later as well. Lets just set a universal standard here CBRians: Every band from the late 90's was better than Limp Bizkit? All in favor, say "Yo".

[Rattlehead]

I never got why metal fans hate them so much. Theres's not to big of difference between them & let's say... Pantera or hell, even Slayer. Just add rap vocals.

Yeah, Break Stuff sounds nothing like Show No Mercy, Hell Awaits, or Reign in Blood. That stuff has more riffs in one song than Wes Borland has in his entire body.You're reffering to the shitty Slayer that started chasing the Nu-Metal trend years after Nu-metal went out of style.That's not the real Slayer, nor is it good music. That's middle-aged men having an embarrasing mid-life crisis.

As for Pantera, well, Phil Anselmo does reach the same plateau of douchebaggery that Fred Durst resides on. They both do have a penchant for faux tough guy posturing and fail to back it up everytime the oppurtunity arises. All talk, no shock. But again, Dimebag Darrell had more talent in his asscrack hairs than the entirety of Limp Bizkit ever dreamed about. Maybe you should actually listen to something besides Walk while posing in the mirror.

Are metal fans just anti-rap?

Fans of good music in general are anti the vapid, commercially processed MTV style of rap that Fred Durst ascribes to. There's good rap, and then there's the shit you see on MTV.

[DonC]

No they weren't.

Quite frankly the whole rap metal thing is enough to make any rock/metal fan want to cry for the death of music.


Unless Anthrax and/or Faith No More are involved.

[Jonathan Bogart]

The best part of the original post is that Yo La Tengo is #2. I wouldn't have expected there to be much overlap between those two fanbases. Or any overlap.

[leonaozaki]

The best part of the original post is that Yo La Tengo is #2. I wouldn't have expected there to be much overlap between those two fanbases. Or any overlap.

Yeah, you'd think the cognitive dissonance involved just in typing that sentence would make one's head explode.

rob

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Man I'm sure Metallica , Smashing Pumpkins and STP wish they had what Limp Bizkit had...:p

[hoffmandu]

Man I'm sure Metallica , Smashing Pumpkins and STP wish they had what Limp Bizkit had...:p

All hacks, the lot of 'em!

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

i liked their first 2 albums, yeah i said it!!!!. and i love rap/rock fusion....when its done right. having said that limp bizkit was never really a high concept band. they just happened to make some good tracks and arguably 2 good albums. linkin park is what limp bizkit wanted to be.

[ImpulseUCF]

^Name a better band from the late 90's?Okay. System of a Down, Korn, depending on how early you consider (late), Foo Fighters, etc. To be fair, the late 90s are considered one of the worst possible eras for rock music, so even if Limp Bizkit were the best, that wouldn't be saying much.
I never got why metal fans hate them so much. Theres's not to big of difference between them & let's say... Pantera or hell, even Slayer. Just add rap vocals.You're joking, aren't you? You don't really think the primary difference between Limp Bizkit and the likes of Slayer and Pantera is rap vocals?

Musically, Limp Bizkit was, at best, simplistic, catchy disposable rap-metal. At worst, they were generic, crappy, completely unoriginal disposable rap-metal. The lyrics were juvenile teen angst at best, and their music had no complexity and was very formulaic. Not saying those are necessarily bad things, but LB and Pantera/Slayer are not even in the same class of music aside from sharing heavy guitars, they are almost completely different.

Nothing inherently wrong with rap-rock. It just became such a huge fad in the late 90s/early 2000s that a lot of mediocre knock-offs were spewing forth from every corner, just like every fad.
I don't know dude. This is a multi-platinum group we're talkin about here. I don't think millions of people would keep on buying their music if it's "bad".Sales DO NOT necessarily indicate quality at ALL. Not saying they never correlate, but some of the best selling music in the world ranges from genius (The Beatles) to unmitigated crap (most popular rap today).

[Valmore]

Of course it is. Everyone knows Creed was the best band of the late 90s.

Well there goes my hoping that it was actually Dishwalla...

[Holacik]

Even Stapp, King of puss bible Rock, thinks Durst is a complete load...........I will laugh about this one later as well. Lets just set a universal standard here CBRians: Every band from the late 90's was better than Limp Bizkit? All in favor, say "Yo".

Ha, yeah that Stapp thing was great.

Just like Nickelback is the best band of the aughts.


From what I understand of Nickelback is that they make two or three songs on the Album 'pop' so they can sell a ton of records but pretty much go about their bussiness with the rest of the Album. I've never actually heard a nickleback album, just what i've picked up from other threads from other boards. Either way they're pretty smart, for understanding exactly what can sell tons of records. I can't really fault them for that.

On the subject of Limp Bizkit, I despise them, and Durst comes across like a douche.

[Hellbaby]

Nah, nothing's ever going to top the 'My father who was an ex-Latin King beat me up' thread.

The best part of that was that the picture of him after the fight was uploaded to the image hosting in 2005.

[stealthwise]

I saw Limp Bizkit live in 2003 on the Summer Sanitarium tour. They were getting booed as soon as they hit the stage, but soon turned it around and got the crowd into it. They weren't the worst act of the night (Deftones are f'n terrible live), but they weren't the best either.

Their immense popularity for several years was unwarranted and made them irritating, but they weren't the worst band ever.

There were far better bands at the time though, and many of them faded into obscurity, unfortunately.

Dust for Life
Full Devil Jacket
Cold
Sevendust (still kicking out the tunes, but completely underappreciated)

I actually liked the late 90s for the metal/rock/nu-metal that was being put out at the time. It wasn't all great, but at least there was enough variety.

[Laughing Mask]

F&@k NO!!!

[leonaozaki]

http://www.barbaraarcher.com/artists/kramer/img/dkramer_invite.jpg

Bob Dylan is laughing at you.

[Pepsigirl]

This is such a hilariously good thread. Seriously, best thread of 08 so far.

[Ullar]

I can name sevrel bands that were around in the late 90s that kick the crap out of Limp Biskit.

Green Day
Nirvana
Metallica
Rancid
The Misfits

Need I go on?

[mindcrime]

HAHAHAHAHEHEHEHEHAHAHAHAHEHEHE......limp bizkit as good.....HAHAHEHE..as slayer & pantera...HAHAHA......limp bizkit is crap, was crap, & will always be crap. if there was any justice in the world, eddie (iron maiden) would have hunted down that "band" & chopped them up in the name of metal.

[(NO)]

Everyone knows Creed was the best band of the late 90s.

Great group. If I can ever get a lady drunk enough to go at it with me, I want "With Arms Wide Open" to be played at the birth of our child. So uplifting.

Limp Bizkit is still a better band though.

[twilight]

I can name sevrel bands that were around in the late 90s that kick the crap out of Limp Biskit.

Nirvana


I'm not defending Limp Bizkit,but a band that broke up in 1994(I think their lead singer might have died or something) were one of the best bands of the late 90's?

-Twi

[Indigo Al]

Great group. If I can ever get a lady drunk enough to go at it with me, I want "With Arms Wide Open" to be played at the birth of our child. So uplifting.


Jesus will love you for it, but you might have to mix fluids with Kid Rock in one whore's mouth.

Now then - Nu Metal was pretty much the worst musical movement to spring forth from the 90s

[(NO)]

Remember when Wayne Coyne from the Flaming Lips said Nevermind was a piece of crap? Good times.

[(NO)]

Remember when Wayne Coyne from the Flaming Lips said Nevermind was a piece of crap? Good times.

Here it is. BTW, he said it's overrated, not a piece of crap.

Nirvana, Nevermind
Nominated by Wayne Coyne of the Flaming Lips

It's better to be overrated than underrated. Besides, it's not the musicians' fault Nevermind is overrated - it's the public's, or the critics'. But you don't find yourself ever longing to listen to it, because there were - still are, in fact - so many mediocre bands that sound like it, that you're constantly experiencing it. I never get out Nevermind and think: what great production, what great songs. Nevermind had a poisonous, pernicious influence. It legitimised suffering. The sainthood of Kurt Cobain overshadows the album: Kurt's lyrics, his attitudinising and navel-gazing, were hard to separate from the band's image. You can never just hear the record. For me, Bleach and In Utero are superior. Even the album cover seems cheap: that stupid dollar bill just seems to have been airbrushed in there. If Alice in Chains had done it, we'd have thought it was a joke, but because it was Nirvana we thought it was oh-so-clever. If you think you're going to hear an utterly original, powerful and freaky record when you put on Nevermind, as a young kid might, Christ you're going to be disappointed. You're going to think, "Who is this band that sounds just like Nickelback? What are these drug addicts going on about?"

I agree with this.

[Indigo Al]

You know the greatest musical thing to spring from the 90's (particularly the late 90s, th dotcom guilded age)?

It was the glam punk musical, Hedwig and the Angry Inch.

Now then: how COOL would it be if Fred Durst took the role of Hedwig in a major theater production? What do you think?

http://www.filmmakermagazine.com/spring2001/features/images/hedwig1_400.jpg

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/77/039_44315~Fred-Durst-Posters.jpg http://thecia.com.au/reviews/h/images/hedwig-and-the-angry-inch-5.jpg

[(NO)]

Fred would never play a girl.

[Indigo Al]

Fred would never play a girl.

You think so? Rock n roll is shamanism, it's blinding visionary poetry, it's the depth of your art, it's transcending gender in a way.....

I think Fred could definitely play Hedwig, who had the courage to chop it off and was left with an angry inch.

I think you limit Fred with your narrow expectations of his awesome nu metal rockiness. Let him expand, my friend!

[Aubergine~!]

i liked their first 2 albums, yeah i said it!!!!. and i love rap/rock fusion....when its done right. having said that limp bizkit was never really a high concept band. they just happened to make some good tracks and arguably 2 good albums. linkin park is what limp bizkit wanted to be.

Same here. It's stupid music, and it isn't exactly high art (or art), but it's fun enough music to listen to in the right mood. Let's face it, music snobs aren't exactly Limp Bizkit's target audience. They cater to drunken frat boys, and they're pretty good at that.

The best part of that was that the picture of him after the fight was uploaded to the image hosting in 2005.

Bah, who cares about the evidence? The world would be a more awesome place if that story were true, and thus it is true.

[Aubergine~!]

Great group. If I can ever get a lady drunk enough to go at it with me, I want "With Arms Wide Open" to be played at the birth of our child. So uplifting.

See, that's just an awesome post. All around.

To any CBR old timers around, (NO) reminds me of Slayven, and for me, that's a god thing.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Here it is. BTW, he said it's overrated, not a piece of crap.



I agree with this.


Except Coyne comparing the album to todays music is a fucking travesty. In the time span "Nevermind" came out in it was a very different type album that was coming out. Its true Nirvana's better work would follow. But as we saw the album was a change in the industry and other bands would follow.

Those other bands were also better than Limp Bizkit . Them being...

Soundgarden
Alice in Chains
Stone Temple Pilots
Pearl Jam
Smashing Pumpkins

[ultramandingo]

........so this is some kinda ironic cause its lame thing right ? - soulpatches are the new mullet

[Jessica Drew]

You think so? Rock n roll is shamanism, it's blinding visionary poetry, it's the depth of your art, it's transcending gender in a way.....

I think Fred could definitely play Hedwig ....

But if Fred couldn't perform one night, would Sebastian Bach step in for him as Hedwig?

You know...I think he would.

[Spike-X]

I'm really hoping this is sarcasm.

Please, let this be sarcasm.

Because if it's not... I think the spirit of rock and roll just died.
It's not sarcasm.

It's trolling.

[(NO)]

That's not very nice Spike X.

[(NO)]

Nice edit of the idiot part Spike-X.

You're lucky I don't take the internet as seriously as you do.

[(NO)]

This is not the CBR I signed up for. All I wanted to do was talk about comics & make a few uncomfortable threads about my personal life.

[Jonathan Bogart]

This is not the CBR I signed up for. All I wanted to do was talk about comics & make a few uncomfortable threads about my personal life.
Well, you kind of went off-topic, then.

[(NO)]

Let's be honest, the music side of this board is not to great.

I made this thread as a favor to Jonah Weiland to bring some traffic on this side of the board.

[Jonathan Bogart]

I wasn't aware we were being dishonest.

I don't care about Limp Bizkit either way (I was an adult when they debuted, which means I had the privilege of not needing to have an opinion about them), but I do think the spectacle of a major fan taken unawares by the fact that a sizable portion of the populace despises them is pretty funny. And like every other asshole on the internet, I reserve the right to crack wise about stuff.

This board has a lot of people who know a lot about a lot of different kinds of music. No one has the same taste as anyone else, but we all manage to get along okay. We do like hazing the new kids, though.

[Murrocko]

Yeah, Break Stuff sounds nothing like Show No Mercy, Hell Awaits, or Reign in Blood. That stuff has more riffs in one song than Wes Borland has in his entire body.You're reffering to the shitty Slayer that started chasing the Nu-Metal trend years after Nu-metal went out of style.That's not the real Slayer, nor is it good music. That's middle-aged men having an embarrasing mid-life crisis.

As for Pantera, well, Phil Anselmo does reach the same plateau of douchebaggery that Fred Durst resides on. They both do have a penchant for faux tough guy posturing and fail to back it up everytime the oppurtunity arises. All talk, no shock. But again, Dimebag Darrell had more talent in his asscrack hairs than the entirety of Limp Bizkit ever dreamed about. Maybe you should actually listen to something besides Walk while posing in the mirror.



Fans of good music in general are anti the vapid, commercially processed MTV style of rap that Fred Durst ascribes to. There's good rap, and then there's the shit you see on MTV.


Okay. System of a Down, Korn, depending on how early you consider (late), Foo Fighters, etc. To be fair, the late 90s are considered one of the worst possible eras for rock music, so even if Limp Bizkit were the best, that wouldn't be saying much.
You're joking, aren't you? You don't really think the primary difference between Limp Bizkit and the likes of Slayer and Pantera is rap vocals?

Musically, Limp Bizkit was, at best, simplistic, catchy disposable rap-metal. At worst, they were generic, crappy, completely unoriginal disposable rap-metal. The lyrics were juvenile teen angst at best, and their music had no complexity and was very formulaic. Not saying those are necessarily bad things, but LB and Pantera/Slayer are not even in the same class of music aside from sharing heavy guitars, they are almost completely different.

Nothing inherently wrong with rap-rock. It just became such a huge fad in the late 90s/early 2000s that a lot of mediocre knock-offs were spewing forth from every corner, just like every fad.
Sales DO NOT necessarily indicate quality at ALL. Not saying they never correlate, but some of the best selling music in the world ranges from genius (The Beatles) to unmitigated crap (most popular rap today).

These two men know what they're talking, please listen to them well (No) and educate yourself on what good music really is. I apologize in advanced if that comes off disrespectful which I'm sure it does.

[Patient Boy]

I made this thread as a favor to Jonah Weiland to bring some traffic on this side of the board.

Seriously? Did Jonah make you start this thread after he beat you up and you got thrown in jail?

Oh, by the way, please carry on. Stuff like this is why I love message boards.

[Aubergine~!]

Oh, by the way, please carry on. Stuff like this is why I love message boards.

Yes.

It's meant as joke people.

[Indigo Al]

But if Fred couldn't perform one night, would Sebastian Bach step in for him as Hedwig?

You know...I think he would.

The good thing about that is that Sebastian Bach does have the hair and the pretty, feminine features to play Hedwig.

I think he would upstage Fred, and there would be a serious fight.

(I love the possessed Scarlet Witch avatar, btw).

[Alex]

Ladies and Gentleman.
Someone is playing a joke on us!
I predict NO is britneyspearsguy.

[ImpulseUCF]

Well, of course this is an obvious troll, but it's a fun, easy discussion to have. :) I think we all eventually recognized it for what it was, but it was too attractive a bait to ignore.

[(NO)]

Guys I'm not a troll.

[(NO)]

I have one livejournal moment on CBR & now my whole boarding career is ruined.

[jesse_custer]

Pretty much. I could also think of funnier ways to troll.

[(NO)]

Do these involve being unfunny?

[jesse_custer]

Hmmm? I can't understand you because I break stuff.

[(NO)]

I rest my case.

[Ullar]

I'm not defending Limp Bizkit,but a band that broke up in 1994(I think their lead singer might have died or something) were one of the best bands of the late 90's?

-Twi
Yes. The whole basis of this post is so absurd that Nirvana was part of the late 90s.

[Hulkamaniac]

I honestly don't understand how anyone can say Limp Bizkit is the greatest band of the 90's. Were you that high? They were a flash in the pan, put out a few albums then went bust as the members found other or better jobs. There were probably 50 other bands from that era that were way better.

[ImpulseUCF]

In fairness, Limp Bizkit was good at delivering what they were good at: catchy, disposable pop rap-rock music. They put out a few catchy, disposable pop rap-rock albums that sold well, had a few catchy pop rap-rock singles, and then people got tired of them and they went away. That's about it and it was good for disposable, mindless catchy pop rap-rock entertainment. Nothing much else, of course.

To be fair, I think the OP was talking about the best band from the late 90s, not the 90s overall, or the best band who put out music in the late 90s that existed before. Because let's be honest...most of the best music in the late 90s came from bands who existed before the late 90s... Smashing Pumpkins, Foo Fighters, Metallica, Pantera, etc.

[Gezora]

I suppose I might as well get in on this....

I liked Limp Bizkit. Honestly and truly. I bought their first two albums, and I still listen to both of them on occasion. I'm not ashamed to admit it. I like what I like, and screw everybody else.

But say that they were the best, or even the most successful....

No part of that statement makes sense.

Hell, The Backstreet Boys were better than Bizkit, and I hate them.

[darksaint124]

It's threads like this that make me realize why I never come to the music board.

[Jessica Drew]

If the Backstreet Boys and Limp Bizkit toured together, who would open for whom?

If Fred joined the Boys on a song, which song would it be?

[DDM]

NO. Rap metal was another passing fad that collapsed. I find it interesting Durst could not keep the band together once the guitarist left the group...

Screaming into a microphone is not singing. Screaming lyrics is not pleasant. When is Durst going to come to the same idea? He ruined the George Michael song thanks to his incessant screaming.

[(NO)]

I'm sorry for steppin on your toes guys. It's obvious I know nothing about music.

[Pepsigirl]

Well, of course this is an obvious troll, but it's a fun, easy discussion to have. :) I think we all eventually recognized it for what it was, but it was too attractive a bait to ignore.

Eventually?

Nice avatar, (NO). It took me a while to get into them, but I've really been feeling Studio lately.

[sherlockbones]

I never got why metal fans hate them so much. Theres's not to big of difference between them & let's say... Pantera or hell, even Slayer. Just add rap vocals.

Are metal fans just anti-rap?

you sir lost all of your internet credibility. the blessing of being born late maybe your only excuse

[sherlockbones]

Honestly, I like a few Britney Spears songs. Toxic, Slave 4 U, Gimme More are all great. Alot of people & even critics would agree with me.

check out the m. patton "hit me baby" version, you might like it

[Black Atom]

No, Limp Bizkit is not the greatest band of the late 90s.

Limp Bizkit is the greatest band ever.

[(NO)]

Eventually?

Nice avatar, (NO). It took me a while to get into them, but I've really been feeling Studio lately.

Yeah, I love them. They've got a nice Factory Records vibe.

BTW, I checked your Last.FM profile. You've got great taste in music. Do you like the new Sebastien Tellier album? I downloaded it a couple weeks ago & still haven't given it a serious listen.

[Pepsigirl]

BTW, I checked your Last.FM profile. You've got great taste in music. Do you like the new Sebastien Tellier album? I downloaded it a couple weeks ago & still haven't given it a serious listen.

Thanks! And yeah, I love it. I didn't really like much of his previous stuff except for "La Ritournelle," but the new album is really great. The production from Guy Manuel de Homem-Christo really adds a lot, it has a very sexy Italo Disco vibe to it. Sort of similar to Morgan Geist, Lindstrøm & Prins Thomas, etc.

[(NO)]

Thanks! And yeah, I love it. I didn't really like much of his previous stuff except for "La Ritournelle," but the new album is really great. The production from Guy Manuel de Homem-Christo really adds a lot, it has a very sexy Italo Disco vibe to it. Sort of similar to Morgan Geist, Lindstrøm & Prins Thomas, etc.

I wasn't too huge on Politics either, but holy crap Lindstrom style space disco? I'm all over this now.

I love me some Lindstrom.
http://cms.pitchforkmedia.com/images/image/26489.lindstrom-3.jpg
Amongst the nerds in this photo is my arm.

[Hellbaby]

Guys I'm not a troll.

But I saw you under the bridge on I-64.

[(NO)]

CBR: an Expose on Unfunny by (NO)

In bookstores everywhere 04/01/2008

[SUPERECWFAN1]

See 'No" the art of doing a parody thread is that even when facing heat by some (check the Hulkamaniac thread on Community board) you never break into claiming what is funny and whats not funny. The moment you do that you hurt the punchline.

Your thread for Limp Bizkit was funny. It had its great moments. But you killed it when you did the whole "Funny , not Funny" thing. If the thread was meant as a joke... don't tell us. Leave us questioning it.

[(NO)]

Thread began unraveling when I changed my avatar.

[(NO)]

BTW, that book insult was aimed toward Hellbaby. Real clever dude...real clever.

[(NO)]

I'd also like to mention this thread is not a joke. It's factual Limp Bizkit were the best band of the Late 90's. Sold out tours, #1 hits, platinum plaques & millions of fans seem to support my argument.

P.S. This stuff about sales not mattering isn't gonna fly. It does, get over it. What else could we go off of...

This guy's website.
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/20070308pitchfork.jpg
I think not.

So yeah, all I'm asking for is a solid case on why they're not. Which 8 pages and counting I still haven't received.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I'd also like to mention this thread is not a joke. It's factual Limp Bizkit were the best band of the Late 90's. Sold out tours, #1 hits, platinum plaques & millions of fans seem to support my argument.

P.S. This stuff about sales not mattering isn't gonna fly. It does, get over it. What else could we go off of...

This guy's website.
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/20070308pitchfork.jpg
I think not.

So yeah, all I'm asking for is a solid case on why they're not. Which 8 pages and counting I still haven't received.

Creed , Backstreet Boys , N-Sync and Kid Rock sold out countless tours , sold millions of albums and were much bigger in scope than Limp Bizkit was in the late 1990's. I'm no fan of N-Sync and like maybe 1 Backstreet Boys song ....but they were bigger than Limp Bizkit using the same things you want proven.

[(NO)]

BSB & N'Sync aren't bands, they're groups. Creed you can make an argument for & Kid Rock even though he's had staying power, didn't outsell the Bizkit during that time.

[Valmore]

I'd also like to mention this thread is not a joke. It's factual Limp Bizkit were the best band of the Late 90's. Sold out tours, #1 hits, platinum plaques & millions of fans seem to support my argument.

Popularity does not equal good. Popularity equals popularity. And lots of people like shitty music. I love some of Journey's songs, but no way were they the greatest band of the early 1980's. And yet they sold out concerts, had platinum records, #1 hits and millions of fans.

Limp Bizkit was a derivative band that played crappy rap-rock during a time when rap-rock was popular. Fred Durst is one of the worst "singers" in the history of music, and was punked out by Scott Stapp, of all people.

AND ... they had no staying power. They don't even exist. They limped out and died. Fred Durst wouldn't be recognized if he walked into Burger King and asked for a Whopper on the day they stopped selling Whoppers.

For the record, Journey > Limp Bizkit.

Now stop whining, or I'll summon Internet Pope howyadoin to explain further why Limp Bizkit sucked ass.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

BSB & N'Sync aren't bands, they're groups.

They sing , play and have played a few instruments ...so even as a group they will make the list.

Creed you can make an argument for & Kid Rock even though he's had staying power, didn't outsell the Bizkit during that time.

Ok heres the totals. I'm only doing Limp's albums from 1997-2000. To be fair.

Their 3 albums Three Dollar Bill, Yall$ , Significant Other , and Chocolate Starfish and the Hotdog Flavored Water sold 34.3 million albums worldwide.

Compare that to...

N-Sync's 3 albums N-Sync , No Strings Attached and Celebrity sold over 41 million albums.

Backstreet Boys output...ohhh and heres something that trumps Limp Bizkit...the BB's are considered the greatest money makers in music from 1997-2005 when you add up album sales , concerts ect ect. The combined total : $533.1 Million dollars !

Their albums sales....

The Backstreet Boys are a powerhouse and its a reason why you don't want them listed. In fact their worldwide album sales are so staggering in the late 90;s you'd shudder to think how powerful they were.

Backstreet Boys , Backstreets Back , Milennium , and Back and Blue all sold over 79 million copies worldwide ! Damn...

I'm having trouble finding Creed and Kid Rock's album sales total.


But you see where Limp Bizkit was a big band... they sold Millions worldwide. But BB and N-sync dwarfed them. And sadly as a group/band they get credit in this. Since their in the music business.

[mattx110]

BSB & N'Sync aren't bands, they're groups. Creed you can make an argument for & Kid Rock even though he's had staying power, didn't outsell the Bizkit during that time.
They're as much bands as Limp B...etc. Creed isn't my cup of tea... might have something to do with me being a philistine though. Kid Rock is OK sometimes. When he's erring on the side of country. But I'd go with Oasis over LB, and I don't like Oasis. I'm having trouble thinking of rock bands I like from the late 90s. Umm... Third Eye Blind. They're definitely a better band.

[elheffe]

I'd also like to mention this thread is not a joke. It's factual Limp Bizkit were the best band of the Late 90's. Sold out tours, #1 hits, platinum plaques & millions of fans seem to support my argument.
I doubt it's factual. It's subjective, certainly.

So yeah, all I'm asking for is a solid case on why they're not. Which 8 pages and counting I still haven't received.
Well, they had no artistic merit. I mean, with lyrics like "I did it all for the nookie, so you can take that cookie and stick it up your ass" they aren't going to be remembered for anything other than a dumb frat-rock band. But that's my subjective view.
Anyways, who cares if they were the best and greatest band in the late '90s? If you like listening to them, cool. I don't like 'em, didn't then, don't now. My opinion - or anyone's on this board - shouldn't stop you from enjoying what you like.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I doubt it's factual. It's subjective, certainly.


Well, they had no artistic merit. I mean, with lyrics like "I did it all for the nookie, so you can take that cookie and stick it up your ass" they aren't going to be remembered for anything other than a dumb frat-rock band. But that's my subjective view.
Anyways, who cares if they were the best and greatest band in the late '90s? If you like listening to them, cool. I don't like 'em, didn't then, don't now. My opinion - or anyone's on this board - shouldn't stop you from enjoying what you like.

I like freaking Creed....so yeah.... I know they aren't gonna be accepted as good to many. But I love listening to them just the same.

[sherlockbones]

dude, in your youth you fell for the same marketing tricks that are being used on uncounted teenagers up until now. there is no shame in this, just admit it and quit comparing metal maniacs to hollywood upstarts (this point is open to debate ;))

[elheffe]

I like freaking Creed....so yeah.... I know they aren't gonna be accepted as good to many. But I love listening to them just the same.
I should have made a caveat to my previous post...you can like whatever you like, except for Creed. Creed should be universally hated by all. Sorry, Super.

[ultramandingo]

....what hapened to that monkey guy in limp biskut - they did have a monkey guy right ? or was that rush?

[DDM]

....what hapened to that monkey guy in limp biskut - they did have a monkey guy right ? or was that rush?

That's the guitarist who left the group then Limp Bizkit fell apart.

[Tumbido]

Not even when I started listening to (current) English music and dug some Bizkit songs on the radio did I think they were the greatest band to be heard. Korn, for starters, seemed better. Just some diversity killed their basic appeal to me.

[Hellbaby]

CBR: an Expose on Unfunny by (NO)

In bookstores everywhere 04/01/2008

CBR: an Expose on (NO) by Me

In bookstores every where 04/02/2008

[(NO)]

Hellbaby, you're moving up my enemies list real fast.

[Aubergine~!]

Hellbaby, you're moving up my enemies list real fast.

Is your dad on that list?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I should have made a caveat to my previous post...you can like whatever you like, except for Creed. Creed should be universally hated by all. Sorry, Super.

I don't know...if I ever had a kid I'd love for the song "With Arms , Wide Open" to be the song to play. Its true...Stapp is silly to watch in these videos they did...and hell MadTV had an awesome parody with Stapp,the dude from the Calling , Eddie Vedder and Ray Charles all in a battle to sing like "this".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD4a-Hvcz7Y

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Here ya go "No" . Perhaps the best impression of Fred Durst ever...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=notL4pcNjdc

[Hellbaby]

Hellbaby, you're moving up my enemies list real fast.

:p Cool beans.

[NathanielEssex]

Nah, Crazy Town was better.

You're my butterfly! Sugar! Baby!

[(NO)]

Shifty Shellshock is garbage.
http://x86.xanga.com/75205544d34a922309232/b15846104.jpg
I'd own this dude in battle raps or fist battles anyday.

[(NO)]

LOL I just received a threatening PM.

[NathanielEssex]

HA! That was his moniker? Hilarious. He sure shellshocked the world.
Great picture--lol. Love the gator arms.

Fist battles are where it's at, bro-hyme!

(NO) is awesome.

But seriously, though, I hadn't considered the greatness that was the Kottonmouth Kings. They're better than both Bizkit AND Crazy Town.
For Realz, Yo! So you take that cookie and stick it in your eeehh/ stick it in your eeehhh! Yo.

[Patient Boy]

I don't know...if I ever had a kid I'd love for the song "With Arms , Wide Open" to be the song to play. Its true...Stapp is silly to watch in these videos they did...and hell MadTV had an awesome parody with Stapp,the dude from the Calling , Eddie Vedder and Ray Charles all in a battle to sing like "this".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD4a-Hvcz7Y

Here ya go "No" . Perhaps the best impression of Fred Durst ever...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=notL4pcNjdc

They don't show MadTV around these parts, but I'm wondering how this show ever got a fanbase with material as mediocre as this.

[elheffe]

I don't know...if I ever had a kid I'd love for the song "With Arms , Wide Open" to be the song to play. Its true...Stapp is silly to watch in these videos they did...and hell MadTV had an awesome parody with Stapp,the dude from the Calling , Eddie Vedder and Ray Charles all in a battle to sing like "this".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD4a-Hvcz7Y
You know I was kidding, right? Go on and listen to a piling heap of Creed, I don't mind.

They don't show MadTV around these parts, but I'm wondering how this show ever got a fanbase with material as mediocre as this.

I've always wondered that myself.

[MNM]

Songcraft and innovation. Boston sold more records then the Velvet Underground. Doesn't mean they are the better band.

Ah, but "better" is so subjective. I mean are Boston really "better" than Velvet Underground? Or is it that you personally prefer them over the other?

Maybe it can be argued that one band can play their musical instruments to a "better" standard than another, but if that other band can sell a lot more albums than the band that is technically more proficient, then it could be argued that they are "better" at producing music that people want to listen to? And so on.

Personally, while I dont think Limp Bizkit were the greatest band of the nineties, I dont think they were the worst either.

[stealthwise]

Ah, but "better" is so subjective. I mean are Boston really "better" than Velvet Underground? Or is it that you personally prefer them over the other?

Maybe it can be argued that one band can play their musical instruments to a "better" standard than another, but if that other band can sell a lot more albums than the band that is technically more proficient, then it could be argued that they are "better" at producing music that people want to listen to? And so on.

Personally, while I dont think Limp Bizkit were the greatest band of the nineties, I dont think they were the worst either.

Most of the time when people are discussing who's "better" they're discussing the quality of music played, from a technical standpoint, and usually how well that band is able to play that music. Hence all the references to popularity being unimportant.

And just out of interest, who would you say were the bands that were worse than Limp Bizkit? I'm sure I could list a few as well.

[DDM]

Shifty Shellshock is garbage.
http://x86.xanga.com/75205544d34a922309232/b15846104.jpg
I'd own this dude in battle raps or fist battles anyday.

Considering after his band's one hit, he became a drug addict & slipped into obscurity only to pop up on the horrible VH-1 sobriety show with Doctor Drew...
I cannot watch this show. It's just bad since the spotlight is on drug addicts in not a very good place. I don't want to see this garbage.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

They don't show MadTV around these parts, but I'm wondering how this show ever got a fanbase with material as mediocre as this.

You know I was kidding, right? Go on and listen to a piling heap of Creed, I don't mind.



I've always wondered that myself.

MadTV had its moments. It wasn't classic SNL its true. But it had its silly moments. And I will listen to Creed damn it... even though Stapps became a drunken nut , he still can sing his ass off.

[Aubergine~!]

Not to take this back on topic or anything, but if I had to pick one band to represent the late 90s, it probably would be Limp Bizkit.

That's not a good thing, mind.

[stealthwise]

ECW, do you listen to Alter Bridge? I find them far more palatable than Creed, albeit slightly less catchy in a pop sense.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

ECW, do you listen to Alter Bridge? I find them far more palatable than Creed, albeit slightly less catchy in a pop sense.

Ohh yeah I have Alter Bridges albums. Their ok amd I like "Rise Today". I liked Creed more though. Because Stapp was such the front man type at times. I suppose its because Creed has done more videos and were so exposed that could be a reason as well.

[ImpulseUCF]

Credit where credit is due... I was at a concert in high school that was, in order, Sevendust, Kid Rock, Creed and Metallica. Kid Rock was surprisingly entertaining and a great performer. Creed rocked the damn house. I was shocked. I didn't like their albums before that, and I didn't really like their work after until Weathered, but the tore it up live. Never had the, erm...pleasure...to see Limp Bizkit, although they have a few catchy songs I like. I just don't imagine them being anything more than the disposable fad they were.

[stealthwise]

Impulse, how was Sevendust? I've always wanted to see them live.

[Rattlehead]

Impulse, how was Sevendust? I've always wanted to see them live.

I've seen them and they were allright live. They opened for the classic Megadeth line-up though, so yeah, they were sorely outclassed. They weren't bad though, just on the wrong bill.

[ImpulseUCF]

Impulse, how was Sevendust? I've always wanted to see them live.Eh, at the time, I had no interest in Sevendust whatsoever besides their first single (name escapes me). Nothing remarkable, but I wasn't really paying much attention to them. I didn't expect Kid Rock and Creed to be so good, though, so who knows.

[wolverine316]

Alot of the grunge bands of that era would wipe the floor with Bizkit

[MartinRedmond]

^Name a better band from the late 90's?

Easy, there is no good rock band from the late 90s at all.

[jesse_custer]

That's a helluva generalization.

[Agent_Torpor]

Not to take this back on topic or anything, but if I had to pick one band to represent the late 90s, it probably would be Limp Bizkit.

That's not a good thing, mind.

Yeah, just goes to show what a bottomless pit of shit late 90s music turned out to be.

[Abomination]

Godsmack kicks the shit out of Biskit.

Sully only know two chords, but he plays them in a very well.

[Indigo Al]

Godsmack kicks the shit out of Biskit.

Sully only know two chords, but he plays them in a very well.


I used to like that witch, until he started ragging on The Hives and The White Stripes. When he did that I declared "BURN THE WITCH!"

[dademan]

Godsmack kicks the shit out of Biskit.

Sully only know two chords, but he plays them in a very well.

Godsmack does kick Limp Bizkit out the ballpark.

But really, when I think the 1990's, I think The Smashing Pumpkins, or The Goo Goo Dolls.

Don't get me wrong, I -love- my metal, but I can't forget what I grew up on in the 90's, seeing as I am only turning 19 this year. I remember hearing '1979' and 'Broadway'.

[Abomination]

Yeah, but the thread is late nineties. Those two's were really earlier. I think?

[BYC]

So glad this thread is still alive. God the late 90s was horrid for music.

I remember starting a game with a friend of mine called "Things to blame on Limp Bizkit".

I blame the entire crue cut/buzz cut sideburn into beard without a moustache trend on them. Yes I know they didn't start it, but I'm still blaming them. Along with having insane amount of tatoos = badass.

I submit evidence of the poster boy for douchbag.

http://www.poster.net/durst-fred/durst-fred-photo-xl-fred-durst-6209268.jpg

[Abomination]

So glad this thread is still alive. God the late 90s was horrid for music.

I remember starting a game with a friend of mine called "Things to blame on Limp Bizkit".

I blame the entire crue cut/buzz cut sideburn into beard without a moustache trend on them. Yes I know they didn't start it, but I'm still blaming them. Along with having insane amount of tatoos = badass.

I submit evidence of the poster boy for douchbag.

http://www.poster.net/durst-fred/durst-fred-photo-xl-fred-durst-6209268.jpg

That's a UBER Douchebag

[Acecool]

The late late nineties and early 0s sucked. Too much corporate interference. The one good thing that came out of the early 2000s was Jack Johnson.

[dademan]

Yeah, but the thread is late nineties. Those two's were really earlier. I think?

woops, guessed I missed the 'late' part.

[Agent_Torpor]

Did Method Man ever really recover from doing a duet with Fred Fuckin' Durst?

His pass should have been permanently revoked for that nonsense.

[DDM]

http://www.poster.net/durst-fred/durst-fred-photo-xl-fred-durst-6209268.jpg

Is this a teaser poster for Diary of the Dead?

[mgs]

while they were pretty popular for about 2-3 years, they faded out just as quick as their rise. But calling them one of the greatest bands is silly.

[ImpulseUCF]

Well, hell, KoRn, their predecessors and discoverers, way outclassed LB at the time, AND they have staying power. Sure, they aren't the force they were, but KoRnstill puts out hits and have their fanbase.

[DDM]

Well, hell, KoRn, their predecessors and discoverers, way outclassed LB at the time, AND they have staying power. Sure, they aren't the force they were, but KoRnstill puts out hits and have their fanbase.

Rob Liefeld still get comic book work too. Still doesn't mean he's a good artist. He certainly can't write to save his life.

[Jared]

I can't remember the last time I heard a Bizkit song on the radio.
Korn has pretty much faded too, but at least people are still aware of them. Linkin Park might owe something to Limp Bizkit, but even they have moved into less rapping.

Durst came up with some of the worst rhymes imaginable. "Dum-diddy dum, Mrs. Aguilera, come and get some!" Gah!

But I will admit that back in the day, I enjoyed 'Break Stuff', their cover of George Michael's 'Faith', and My Way', but the latter only because the WWE built some kick-ass promo videos around it for an Austin vs. the Rock main event. But I haven't heard any of those songs in forever, and I can't say I feel any compulsion to download them, even if for free, so I'm guessing they might not hold up all that well.

[Aubergine~!]

The late late nineties and early 0s sucked. Too much corporate interference. The one good thing that came out of the early 2000s was Jack Johnson.

That's only if you're only counting the stuff that hit the top of the charts. Lots of great stuff came out in that time period.

And yes, Korn > Bizkit. At least Korn were kind of innovative.

[Spike-X]

The one good thing that came out of the early 2000s was Jack Johnson.

There is so much wrong with this sentence I don't even know where to begin.

[MartinRedmond]

Nine Inch Nails still sells records, though lord knows why. And you just know somewhere somebody's still listening to Chrystal Method records. *shivers*

I really liked early 90s rock, until about Green Day and Offspring came along. I kind of liked Prong except that all their albums were the exact same. I don't feel any rock band as that bite early Sonic Youth records had (Goo) or the really good indie stuff did.

[dogzilla]

This thread is amazing

[Agent_Torpor]

There is so much wrong with this sentence I don't even know where to begin.

Ha ha, total agreement. I gave a "raised eyebrow" to that one myself. Jack Johnson? Dear God...

[Demon wizard]

Why should we only compare LB to other bands from the late 90's? It's kind of like saying that the US hasn't had a better president than Bush in the last 8 years.

[DDM]

Why should we only compare LB to other bands from the late 90's? It's kind of like saying that the US hasn't had a better president than Bush in the last 8 years.

Limp Bizkit never transcended their late-90's context. Although they still exist today, they are not making any new songs race up on the music charts. Limp Bizkit is just a terrible fad that ran its course. If they were interested in making timeless music, they still might be relevant.

[stealthwise]

Limp Bizkit never transcended their late-90's context. Although they still exist today, they are not making any new songs race up on the music charts. Limp Bizkit is just a terrible fad that ran its course. If they were interested in making timeless music, they still might be relevant.

Not only that, but they also don't hold up very well when you compare them to ANY era of music; whether you're talking about now, the 80s, the 70s, no matter how you slice it, Limp Bizkit's just not very good.

[Jared]

Didn't Durst leak a sex tape, and nobody cared? How much lower can you get?

Has Wes Boreland actually gone on to better things? What about the DJ...he was previously in House of Pain, wasn't he?

One could argue that Korn does the same song over and over, but they're still more talented than Bizkit ever was.