Brand New Day - Amazing Spider-man #549 - SPOILERS!!!

[Pedrocas]

Well, I just finished reading this book and I'm not happy. Not happy at all.

Quesada continues to spit on the face of all of us. First, he made Peter kiss some random girl and now he teases us making Spider-man ask Jackpot if she's MJ!!! That's right, Spider-man just went and ask her if she's MJ!!! And Spidey spent all the issue without webs because he don't have the money to buy the stuff he uses to make webs!!! This is so ridiculous!!! :mad:

[TheAmazingSpidey]

Well, I just finished reading this book and I'm not happy. Not happy at all.

Quesada continues to spit on the face of all of us. First, he made Peter kiss some random girl and now he teases us making Spider-man ask Jackpot if she's MJ!!! That's right, Spider-man just went and ask her if she's MJ!!! And Spidey spent all the issue without webs because he don't have the money to buy the stuff he uses to make webs!!! This is so ridiculous!!! :mad:

...Wow...

And I was SO excited for tomorrow, too. This has squandered that some...:(

[Mister Mets]

Well, I just finished reading this book and I'm not happy. Not happy at all.

Quesada continues to spit on the face of all of us. First, he made Peter kiss some random girl and now he teases us making Spider-man ask Jackpot if she's MJ!!! That's right, Spider-man just went and ask her if she's MJ!!! And Spidey spent all the issue without webs because he don't have the money to buy the stuff he uses to make webs!!! This is so ridiculous!!! :mad:
Sounds like fun. Looking forward to it. Spider-Man shouldn't always have money for webs.

[ZT4]

Spidey instinctly calling Jackpot out as MJ shows both are hopeless at hiding their identites from the other...

Wouldnt it be just a bitch if it turns out MJ ditched Peter to protect him from her life as Jackpot, but made him think it was his own fault? ( Peter decided to leave MJ during the Ultimate Hobgoblin storyline out of worry his life would endanger her)

[Pedrocas]

Oh, and right at the beginning of the issue, Spider-man sings his movie theme. Seriously.

[Xplicit Content]

I thought the back and forth between Jackpot and Spidey was great in this issue...particulary the bit where Jackpot was calling dibs on arch enemies.

[Will.S]

Uh, isn't this out tomorrow?

[Brian M.]

Sounds like fun. Looking forward to it. Spider-Man shouldn't always have money for webs.

I agree. For a guy who has money issues, he shouldn't always have money for webs.

[Spider-Sense]

I'm really looking forward to reading it!;)

[yoda510]

Well, I just finished reading this book and I'm not happy. Not happy at all.

Quesada continues to spit on the face of all of us. First, he made Peter kiss some random girl and now he teases us making Spider-man ask Jackpot if she's MJ!!! That's right, Spider-man just went and ask her if she's MJ!!! And Spidey spent all the issue without webs because he don't have the money to buy the stuff he uses to make webs!!! This is so ridiculous!!! :mad:

Man, stop buying it. If everyone who is mad stops buying they will change...if everyone keeps buying and complaining they will continue to do whatever they want.

[ZT4]

He never said he bought it. He could of just read it and left it in the store

"Hmm...you shouldnt do that"[/Marge Simpson]

[unkiedev]

The PTB should feel free to delete this thread or merge it with the other one, or even nominate it for a "Thready" as the greatest Spider-Man related thread of the year. I just figured, ya' know, with the book out today, and folks wanting to talk about it and stufff...*sigh*

SPIDEY-TIME: This issue starts with a pier in Red Hook (A neighborhood of Brooklyn) where some small time thugs are rubbed out by a mysterious "Whooshing" villian who tells them to stear clear of his pier. Then it's back to the Daily Bugel building...but whats this?! Construction workers are taking down the old, familar "Daily Bugel" sign atop the Daily Bugel building and re-signing it "The DB." Yup, The hostile takeover has gone through, and the Bugle is now the DB.

The mysterious "Whooshing" villian is back, whooshing through the support ropes for the workers and the wires holing up the Bugel sign's "U." As griped about previously Spidey DOES sing his theme song (And why not?) but changes some lyrics: "Catches theives just like flys, Saves falling construction guys!" Good stuff! He then uses up all his webbing to catch the falling "U", saving the day.

Peter Parker is then informed by the new boss that a $10,000 reward goes to the staff member who gets the first photo of "Mr. Mysterious Whoosing Glider riding Guy." Pete, low on cash and web fluid, runs into Jackpot and a criminal linked to this mysterious villian whom she is calling "The Gray Goblin", much to Pete's dismay. They chase this criminal into the subway and narrowly escape being smooshed by a 6 train. Pete DOES point-blank ask Jackpot if she is MJ, and with her super-model looks and calling everybody "Tiger" all the time, I would too. She won't give up her identity...even if she IS MJ (And let's face it, she probably is) thanks to Mephisto she has no idea Spidey is Peter, right?

Anyway, after a quick interlude with Harry playing t-ball The issue ends with both Spidey and Jackpot following leads to capture this new villian, whom Jackpot has called "Dibbs" on him as her arch-villian. Big issue cliff-hanger? SOMEONE shows up at the end to arrest Spidey for non-liscensed Heroism.

Guy saves New York from an evil flying "U" and that's the thanks he gets, huh?

-WHAT A GREAT ISSUE! More, please! It's fun seeing Peter worry about money again, deal with construction acidents and go up against mysterious villians...and I'm not the only one who thinks so: I live in Spidey's home town of New York City, and as I got off the R train, reading my Spidey comic like a good American man-child, the train operator leaned out the window and said "Hey, SPIDEY! 'That the new series? Ya', I'm gettin' that too! Love it!"

If BND is good enough for NY's MTA, it's good enough for me!

[stillanerd]

1. As I said before, I don't believe Marvel is even trying to hide the idea that Jackpot is actually Mary Jane. If she isn't MJ, then it's certainly one the most annoying red-herrings (no pun intended) they've certainly pulled. Hmm, maybe Jackpot is actually a cybernetically enhanced clone of MJ...just like "Clor.":D

2. And it looks like Dexter Bennet is established as a suspect for being Menace (or is it the Gray Goblin?) right off the bat. After all, Menace attacks in broad daylight right in front of the Daily Bugle and Bennet is offering a fat paycheck for anyone who can get a photo of him, since that photo would very likely sell a lot of papers, which is what Bennet wants, right? Even if Bennet isn't Menace, then it's certainly possible that he could be in contact with him in order to use the Green Goblin wannabe as part of a publicity stunt to promote the new "DB."

3. And how does "Back in Black" still fit into all this?

[philly]

The PTB should feel free to delete this thread or merge it with the other one, or even nominate it for a "Thready" as the greatest Spider-Man related thread of the year. I just figured, ya' know, with the book out today, and folks wanting to talk about it and stufff...*sigh*

SPIDEY-TIME: This issue starts with a pier in Red Hook (A neighborhood of Brooklyn) where some small time thugs are rubbed out by a mysterious "Whooshing" villian who tells them to stear clear of his pier. Then it's back to the Daily Bugel building...but whats this?! Construction workers are taking down the old, familar "Daily Bugel" sign atop the Daily Bugel building and re-signing it "The DB." Yup, The hostile takeover has gone through, and the Bugle is now the DB.

The mysterious "Whooshing" villian is back, whooshing through the support ropes for the workers and the wires holing up the Bugel sign's "U." As griped about previously Spidey DOES sing his theme song (And why not?) but changes some lyrics: "Catches theives just like flys, Saves falling construction guys!" Good stuff! He then uses up all his webbing to catch the falling "U", saving the day.

Peter Parker is then informed by the new boss that a $10,000 reward goes to the staff member who gets the first photo of "Mr. Mysterious Whoosing Glider riding Guy." Pete, low on cash and web fluid, runs into Jackpot and a criminal linked to this mysterious villian whom she is calling "The Gray Goblin", much to Pete's dismay. They chase this criminal into the subway and narrowly escape being smooshed by a 6 train. Pete DOES point-blank ask Jackpot if she is MJ, and with her super-model looks and calling everybody "Tiger" all the time, I would too. She won't give up her identity...even if she IS MJ (And let's face it, she probably is) thanks to Mephisto she has no idea Spidey is Peter, right?

Anyway, after a quick interlude with Harry playing t-ball The issue ends with both Spidey and Jackpot following leads to capture this new villian, whom Jackpot has called "Dibbs" on him as her arch-villian. Big issue cliff-hanger? SOMEONE shows up at the end to arrest Spidey for non-liscensed Heroism.

Guy saves New York from an evil flying "U" and that's the thanks he gets, huh?

-WHAT A GREAT ISSUE! More, please! It's fun seeing Peter worry about money again, deal with construction acidents and go up against mysterious villians...and I'm not the only one who thinks so: I live in Spidey's home town of New York City, and as I got off the R train, reading my Spidey comic like a good American man-child, the train operator leaned out the window and said "Hey, SPIDEY! 'That the new series? Ya', I'm gettin' that too! Love it!"

If BND is good enough for NY's MTA, it's good enough for me!

Sorry but judging by the summary, the story just sounds awful.

[Brandon Hanvey]

The PTB should feel free to delete this thread or merge it with the other one, or even nominate it for a "Thready" as the greatest Spider-Man related thread of the year. I just figured, ya' know, with the book out today, and folks wanting to talk about it and stufff...*sigh*

The first thread (which is now merged with your thread) was locked due to the board rules of not reviewing a new comic until the day it is released. Now that it is out, the thread is cool.

[unkiedev]

1. As I said before, I don't believe Marvel is even trying to hide the idea that Jackpot is actually Mary Jane. If she isn't MJ, then it's certainly one the most annoying red-herrings (no pun intended) they've certainly pulled. Hmm, maybe Jackpot is actually a cybernetically enhanced clone of MJ...just like "Clor.":DMJ could have a twin sister we've never heard of...an EVIL twin sister. I actually think Jackpot IS Mephisto.

2. And it looks like Dexter Bennet is established as a suspect for being Menace (or is it the Gray Goblin?) right off the bat. After all, Menace attacks in broad daylight right in front of the Daily Bugle and Bennet is offering a fat paycheck for anyone who can get a photo of him, since that photo would very likely sell a lot of papers, which is what Bennet wants, right? Even if Bennet isn't Menace, then it's certainly possible that he could be in contact with him in order to use the Green Goblin wannabe as part of a publicity stunt to promote the new "DB."GREAT IDEA! I like where that is going...yellow-journalism meets the Marvel U. I wonder what J.J.J. will do to while away the time from his hospital bed?

3. And how does "Back in Black" still fit into all this?How do you mean? I know the publisher guy holds up a newspaper from the back in black days, but that was just ti illustrate the DB doesn't do Spider-Man cover stories.

[unkiedev]

Sorry but judging by the summary, the story is sounds awful.
Wha? Spidey punches thugs, cracks wise and deals with everyday issues...did I mention the Art was pretty good?

I feel like the marketing team behind Poochy on the Simpsons. It was a good comic. What part of fun Spidey storys don't you like? I admit there isn't as much "meat" to the tale as there could be, but Spidey is thrice monthly now, which means decompressed stories. This was just a set up.

[Traser]

Not to turn the point of this thread but I dont think back in black or pretty much any of JMS' run fits into BND. Pretty much take as much of that as you can and try to make it work in your head, as Marvel exec's have said IMO. Or just disregard it and assume this is a tangent view of the 616 spidey A what if of events. If it works they run with it for a while, if not they'll un do it. I liked MJ and Peter but I also Spidey and Black Cat dynamic but thats just me.

In regards to the issue, the whole no money broke adult thing bugs me. but I'll continue along a bit longer, it does act as a new beginning of things in a way and it reminds me of the Spidey comics in the newspaper lol.

[timbox]

I like the note on the wall in the DB office, "Get Slott Plot!"

I liked the writter threaten to take his story to the "Distinguished Competition" and Peter saying "We practically own the Spider-Man stories here."

Great interaction between Peter and Jackpot.

I will be very disappointed if the guy at the end is any sort of Avenger coming to arrest Spider-Man, especially with all the free passes that the New Avengers have been getting from the MA.

[Liberty Belle Fan]

Sounds like a fun issue, too bad I have to wait for this and all my comics to ship to me since I moved to a rural area this past weekend. I'm looking forward to the Spidey/Jackpot dynamic.

[Cayman]

Awesome issue. Guggenheim's off to an even better start than Slott. Jackpot is so fun.

[unkiedev]

I liked the writter threaten to take his story to the "Distinguished Competition" and Peter saying "We practically own the Spider-Man stories here."Yeah, that was my favorite part of the issue. I think it's refreshing seeing Pete hang at the DB and shoot the breeze with regular folks, like reporters and co-workers.

[Expendable]

Well, I just finished reading this book and I'm not happy. Not happy at all.

Quesada continues to spit on the face of all of us. First, he made Peter kiss some random girl and now he teases us making Spider-man ask Jackpot if she's MJ!!! That's right, Spider-man just went and ask her if she's MJ!!! And Spidey spent all the issue without webs because he don't have the money to buy the stuff he uses to make webs!!! This is so ridiculous!!! :mad:

I thought Dan Slott wrote the first bnd? Now I learned it was Joe Q. that wrote it. Thanks for the heads up!

Side note I thought Dan Slott did a great job with the kiss added an extra kick too the comic. Great lead in after omd.

[philly]

I liked the writter threaten to take his story to the "Distinguished Competition" and Peter saying "We practically own the Spider-Man stories here."

Unfortunately, the Distinguished Competition is probably still laughing at the way OMD has made their Super Boy recon punch look like a credible plot point.:D

[DaeJi]

I still think you really have to want to like BND for it to be any good. This read like a fairly average Spider-Man issue. All of the BND issues have, not taking OMD into account, been average at best.

[Expletive Deleted]

I still think you really have to want to like BND for it to be any good. This read like a fairly average Spider-Man issue.The flip side of that is that you really have to want to hate BND for it to be bad.

It's not the best thing since sliced bread and it's not a slap to our collective face. It's a solid, middle-of-the-road Spider-Man comic. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is, of course, entirely subjective.

[beachball8]

Comic books were never really about stories. It was always the art.
Why are you guys so shocked?

[DaeJi]

The flip side of that is that you really have to want to hate BND for it to be bad.

It's not the best thing since sliced bread and it's not a slap to our collective face. It's a solid, middle-of-the-road Spider-Man comic.

It's not that it's bad. It's that it's... well, I would buy it (assuming I wasn't so against the idea of it) only if I had a lot of extra money and just wanted one more comic for the hell of it. It is middle of the road, with almost nothing be love of the character or the concept to bring you back to it. My thinking is, if Marvel is going to pull crap like OMD/BND, at least make the comic one of the best on the shelf, not something you pick up on an odd whim.

Comic books were never really about stories. It was always the art.
Why are you guys so shocked?

Good art won't sell a bad story. And good art can only push a mediocre story so far. Comics aren't about just the art or just the writing, it needs both to succeed. One element will only go so far, and it's not far enough to make it a success.

[ZT4]

I still think you really have to want to like BND for it to be any good. This read like a fairly average Spider-Man issue. All of the BND issues have, not taking OMD into account, been average at best.

Precisly why throwbacks have their "high points", Spidey's been written as such a pedantic git for so long, theyll swallow anything that lightens up the place.

When the marraige is restored, it'll be nice to follow Slott's stuff in a logical, intelligent context, because May working for Mr Negative could of fit in with Peter and MJ going underground if they refused to register.

[jackolover]

Then it's back to the Daily Bugel building...but whats this?! Construction workers are taking down the old, familar "Daily Bugel" sign atop the Daily Bugel building and re-signing it "The DB." Yup, The hostile takeover has gone through, and the Bugle is now the DB.


My god! Does this mean Marvel are selling the comic book arm to the Dabel Brothers (DB)? Their doing way better in the movie section of the company, so publication is chicken feed compared to that. Maybe Marvel are thinking of off-loading all the proprietary characters to the DB's. Marvel does use real life images in their comics, albeit, it's usually Galactus or Onslaught to depict takeovers.

[jackolover]

1. As I said before, I don't believe Marvel is even trying to hide the idea that Jackpot is actually Mary Jane. If she isn't MJ, then it's certainly one the most annoying red-herrings (no pun intended) they've certainly pulled. Hmm, maybe Jackpot is actually a cybernetically enhanced clone of MJ...just like "Clor.":D


I saw the belt buckle on Jackpots uniform in a preview, and it was 'JJJ'. Maybe she's Jonahs daughter? Hell, Mephisto can bring back Harry, why not that Jonah had a little girl, way back, that didn't die in some horrible accident we didn't know about?



In regards to the issue, the whole no money broke adult thing bugs me. but I'll continue along a bit longer, it does act as a new beginning of things in a way and it reminds me of the Spidey comics in the newspaper lol.

If they were going to keep Peter destitute for this long, with no corresponding responsiblity development due to marriage, then Marvel should have made Peter a bum. Disheveled, friendless, and kicked out on the street by his Aunt. Instead, we get a fully developed guy, with friends, and girls flying at this looser. It doesn't fit.

[ZT4]

Have we ever seen JJJ and MJ at the same time?:p

[Toboe]

Great issue. Spider-Man singing the theme song was fantastic. I can't remember the last time Spider-Man was this much fun. It was hilarious how he was noted as a good example for the DB (yes, I am calling it that now). Bennett seems like the prime suspect for being Menace right now, but I hope it doesn't turn out to be as obvious and convenient as Mr. Negative's indetity was.

But I really hate Jackpot... the idea might grow on me eventually, but as of now I'm not really thrilled with the twist to make MJ as super-hero. I suppose there's the possibility she might not be her, but come on...

I really miss the organic webbing. It just felt right for him, although maybe it's just beacuse the movies influenced me into reding the comic. Still, I've never like the web-shooters, I find it annoying that they're always running out. And without the webbing, anyone with enhanced strenght/agility and an adhesive suit can be Spider-Man...

Anyway, I'm enjoying the revamped direction of the book. Wonder how he'll manage to evade registration this time.

[TheAmazingSpidey]

I saw the belt buckle on Jackpots uniform in a preview, and it was 'JJJ'. Maybe she's Jonahs daughter? Hell, Mephisto can bring back Harry, why not that Jonah had a little girl, way back, that didn't die in some horrible accident we didn't know about?



If they were going to keep Peter destitute for this long, with no corresponding responsiblity development due to marriage, then Marvel should have made Peter a bum. Disheveled, friendless, and kicked out on the street by his Aunt. Instead, we get a fully developed guy, with friends, and girls flying at this looser. It doesn't fit.



No, her belt has three sevens, not Js. It's "777" not "JJJ".

[Harlock]

Instead, we get a fully developed guy, with friends, and girls flying at this looser. It doesn't fit.

Even my poorest friends are still friends. Also, I've known plenty of people who have had to move back in with their folks for a period of time, even into their 20s and 30s.

Lastly, how many girls are flying at Pete? The bimbo who was using him to get into Harry's crowd? People use other people all the time, any way they can, to reach a goal. Carlie? She's hardly thrown herself at Peter. Anyone else?

[philly]

If they were going to keep Peter destitute for this long, with no corresponding responsiblity development due to marriage, then Marvel should have made Peter a bum. Disheveled, friendless, and kicked out on the street by his Aunt. Instead, we get a fully developed guy, with friends, and girls flying at this looser. It doesn't fit.

Remember, this is coming from the same editor in chief who brought us "One More Day", if you are looking for any logic or story telling that makes any sense, you're not going to find it in the new 'Spider-Man", Marvel's version of Kato Kailen:o

[stillanerd]

MJ could have a twin sister we've never heard of...an EVIL twin sister. I actually think Jackpot IS Mephisto.

Well, MJ doesn't have a twin sister, but she does have a red-headed bulimic cousin named Kristy.:evilsmile. Somehow, I doubt Mephisto is Jackpot. I'm sticking with it being Mary Jane because I think that's Marvel's way of spinning her into the "ex" and throwing a monkey wrench into Peter and MJ's relationship drama, although there are some who are saying that Jackpot's actually Carlie Cooper, which I think is wishful thinking at this point. Still, it's better than the alternative--Jackpot could be Ben Reilly after undergoing a sex-change operation.:p

GREAT IDEA! I like where that is going...yellow-journalism meets the Marvel U. I wonder what J.J.J. will do to while away the time from his hospital bed?

J. JONAH JAMESON: (chopping on his cigar): Look at this phony, Marla. He's blatantly using a costumed freak as a cheap stunt to sell papers and peddles it off as news!
MARLA: But, honey? Isn't that what you did with Spider-Man.
JAMESON: That's different. Spider-Man IS a Menace AND actually news-worthy compared to this phony. I mean, who does this guy think he is, the Green Goblin or something?

How do you mean? I know the publisher guy holds up a newspaper from the back in black days, but that was just ti illustrate the DB doesn't do Spider-Man cover stories.

Well, if it's supposed to be a recent photo, then it means Back in Black DOES somehow tie-in, although I don't see how considering that you have to have had Aunt May shot in order for that whole thing to work (but Hey, it's magic! We don't have to explain it). However, you're probably right in suggesting that it's a file photo of Peter's showing him in the black costume; after all, Back in Black certainly wasn't the only time he wore those duds.

[unkiedev]

Remember, this is coming from the same editor in chief who brought us "One More Day", if you are looking for any logic or story telling that makes any sense, you're not going to find it in the new 'Spider-Man", Marvel's version of Kato Kailen:oI graduated from college with a BFA in illustration. I was a freelance artist for a spell, had short stints in retail throughout until I found steadier employ.

Peter Parker is a freelance Photographer who's devoting much of his time to getting punched in the face by villainous clowns and having his mind erased by the Devil. It's been stated he's supposed to be 25ish.

I was a freelance artists and college grad living in New York City at age 25. It's tough, man, and I didn't have to fight Doctor Octopus. I have no problem believing Peter is broke and between jobs...furthermore, who knows what chemicals are in web fluid nor how much they cost?

In short, I find Peter's situation totally understandable. I've been there. It didn't make me a looser[sic], it doesn't make him one.

You will enjoy Spider-Man more if you stopped hating it.

[unkiedev]

Well, if it's supposed to be a recent photo, then it means Back in Black DOES somehow tie-in, although I don't see how considering that you have to have had Aunt May shot in order for that whole thing to work (but Hey, it's magic! We don't have to explain it). However, you're probably right in suggesting that it's a file photo of Peter's showing him in the black costume; after all, Back in Black certainly wasn't the only time he wore those duds.HA! Great stuff with JJJ. No, I think that was just supposed to be some random back issue. Heck, Marvel was running a small 50 cent Daily Bugel for awhile that featured product spotlights and funny gags on their current events...that could have been the cover to one of those.

[gorthon616]

Well, MJ doesn't have a twin sister, but she does have a red-headed bulimic cousin named Kristy.:evilsmile. Somehow, I doubt Mephisto is Jackpot. I'm sticking with it being Mary Jane because I think that's Marvel's way of spinning her into the "ex" and throwing a monkey wrench into Peter and MJ's relationship drama, although there are some who are saying that Jackpot's actually Carlie Cooper, which I think is wishful thinking at this point. Still, it's better than the alternative--Jackpot could be Ben Reilly after undergoing a sex-change operation.:p

Dude. It's Harry Osborn in a chick suit. It's totally gonna be like the Ronin reveal but in reverse.

[DeadXMan]

wow was the OP way off.

This was a great issue!

I actually think Jackpot is menace.

[Harlock]

I actually think Jackpot is menace.

Wow, any reasoning there? Just curious, it's a cool theory.

[DeadXMan]

her calling him the Grey goblin
and that he's her archenemies and conveniently being there.

she seems to know an awful lot about a new villain, perhaps to much.

or two other theories are she in cahoots with Gray G. or this is a trap set buy Shield. given the silhouette at the end

[jackolover]

No, her belt has three sevens, not Js. It's "777" not "JJJ".

Are you sure? How could I get 7's mixed up with J's? Perhaps there WAS one panel with J's on MJ's belt buckle as a placement?

[jackolover]

I graduated from college with a BFA in illustration. I was a freelance artist for a spell, had short stints in retail throughout until I found steadier employ.

Peter Parker is a freelance Photographer who's devoting much of his time to getting punched in the face by villainous clowns and having his mind erased by the Devil. It's been stated he's supposed to be 25ish.

I was a freelance artists and college grad living in New York City at age 25. It's tough, man, and I didn't have to fight Doctor Octopus. I have no problem believing Peter is broke and between jobs...furthermore, who knows what chemicals are in web fluid nor how much they cost?

In short, I find Peter's situation totally understandable. I've been there. It didn't make me a looser[sic], it doesn't make him one.

You will enjoy Spider-Man more if you stopped hating it.

I'm just saying, Peter Parker has a Science Degree (and freelance photographer isn't his pursuit in life), so how come DD is a lawyer, and Reed Richards is a qualified scientist, and our boy Parker is still bumming around, when he could have taken all kinds of jobs in his FIELD and made something of himself?

[jackolover]

Lastly, how many girls are flying at Pete? The bimbo who was using him to get into Harry's crowd? People use other people all the time, any way they can, to reach a goal. Carlie? She's hardly thrown herself at Peter. Anyone else?

MJ for starters WAS his girlfriend, the Bimbo could have picked some other friend instead of Parker, who has nothing, and Carlie? She knows what Parker is, and yet she still went out with him. I mean, if I had that sort of Parker luck, I'd be in heaven.

[unkiedev]

I'm just saying, Peter Parker has a Science Degree (and freelance photographer isn't his pursuit in life), so how come DD is a lawyer, and Reed Richards is a qualified scientist, and our boy Parker is still bumming around, when he could have taken all kinds of jobs in his FIELD and made something of himself?Actually, Hank Pym asked Spidey that self same question right before the Civil War. Peter dropped by for help on something and they had a quick conversation about Pete's web shooters. Hank asked why Peter hadn't persued Hard Core science, as Hank said he was brilliant...and I think he had a thought balloon or an aside saying he thought Peter was smarter than himself. Peter's answer was something along the lines of "Life got in the way."

Also, in Dan Slott's GREAT miniseries "Spider-Man and the Human Torch" there's a great bit where a young Peter Parker interns at Four Freedom Plaza as a lab assistant to Reed Richards. Without knowing Pete's identity Reed muses on how he thinks Pete is an amazing scientist, but can't ever seem to focus on his work...or be counted on to show up on time.

The only answer I can come up with is: "ACTION is his reward."

[Harlock]

MJ for starters WAS his girlfriend,

And that has what bearing on anything currently in regards to women throwing themself at a loveable loser?

the Bimbo could have picked some other friend instead of Parker, who has nothing,

And how many of Harry's inner circle were there at the club that night? And, if she had been studying Harry's relationships at the time, how many were closer to Harry? Isn't the loveless and penniless loser an easier shot at Harry's circle and easier mark than say some well-off, confident person? And, what other males are currently in Harry's inner circle? Flash you say? That guy is probably loving and leaving a trail of women behind him. No. Peter is the best mark.

and Carlie? She knows what Parker is, and yet she still went out with him. I mean, if I had that sort of Parker luck, I'd be in heaven.

Ok, I've slept since I read the first three issues of BND, so I may have forgotten, but Carlie knows what Peter is? Really? She knows Peter is Spider-Man? Or, is she attracted to someone who she feels is a decent match for her intellectually? He's very science-minded. So is she. Oftentimes friends date their friends friends. It's pretty common. If I misinterpreted something, please let me know.

[ZT4]

Hmm...loner, adventurous, picks the ladies quickly...

...Don't you get it? BND is an aftershave commercial from Brand New!

[TheAmazingSpidey]

I thought the issue was great. Well worth the sore, sore, sore feet to walk alll the way down to my LCS.

I liked the scenes Spidey and Jackpot shared. I liked the art, and the writing. The cover is amazing. Pun intended. ;)

Anyways, I loved it.

[TheAmazingSpidey]

Are you sure? How could I get 7's mixed up with J's? Perhaps there WAS one panel with J's on MJ's belt buckle as a placement?

Yep, I'm sure--

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/Jackpot_Marvel_Comics.JPG

And the "777" makes more sense--777 as in a JACKPOT.

The 'JJJ' would just be stupid. I could see if it was a single J, for "Jackpot," but three? What's she got, a stutter? "I'm J-J-JACKPOT!" :p

But yeah, they're sevens. I could see how they resemble Js, though. :)

[jackolover]

Ok, I've slept since I read the first three issues of BND, so I may have forgotten, but Carlie knows what Peter is? Really? She knows Peter is Spider-Man? Or, is she attracted to someone who she feels is a decent match for her intellectually? He's very science-minded. So is she. Oftentimes friends date their friends friends. It's pretty common. If I misinterpreted something, please let me know.

No problem. Just saying, that 3 women in 2 issues of BND. Give me that anytime, but how does Peter attract them? Yes, you're right. Friends of friends do date, and that's a good point, but Carlie might be re-assessing her friends when she finds out Peter is a Science nerd, and has no job, and no where to live. I don't know women, but don't they look for guys that have something going for them? Don't they go nesting or something, and look for the right DNA match?

[jackolover]

Yep, I'm sure--

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/Jackpot_Marvel_Comics.JPG

And the "777" makes more sense--777 as in a JACKPOT.

The 'JJJ' would just be stupid. I could see if it was a single J, for "Jackpot," but three? What's she got, a stutter? "I'm J-J-JACKPOT!" :p

But yeah, they're sevens. I could see how they resemble Js, though. :)

Yes, I can see that in the panel. But the panel I saw, was Jackpot sprawled on the ground, maybe the one where she fell on Spidey, and the belt buckle was very clear. I haven't got the image handy, but I'll try to locate it. Nevertheless, the '777' does seem to be the true buckle emblem.

[Harlock]

No problem. Just saying, that 3 women in 2 issues of BND. Give me that anytime, but how does Peter attract them? Yes, you're right. Friends of friends do date, and that's a good point, but Carlie might be re-assessing her friends when she finds out Peter is a Science nerd, and has no job, and no where to live. I don't know women, but don't they look for guys that have something going for them? Don't they go nesting or something, and look for the right DNA match?

I can only speak from personal experience here. My wife met me in High School. She liked me because I was funny, romantic and sensitive. We were in love. We got married. We had two kids. I lost my job. She stayed with me. Without her I would honestly be back with my folks. Luckily, she supports my writing. She trusts in me. Nesting was more a pregnancy thing. DNA matches? Well that's comic book lingo.

In all honesty, I can see Carlie pining for a science nerd or if you will, an equal. Makes good sense.

[Brandon Hanvey]

As per Sean's rules for the other ASM review threads, please keep this thread to reviewing the issue. If you want to discuss your like or dislike of the changes to Spider-man/OMD there are other threads for that.

*Picking up the slack for that slacker Sean who is away at the time*

[TheAmazingSpidey]

Yes, I can see that in the panel. But the panel I saw, was Jackpot sprawled on the ground, maybe the one where she fell on Spidey, and the belt buckle was very clear. I haven't got the image handy, but I'll try to locate it. Nevertheless, the '777' does seem to be the true buckle emblem.

Oh. Hmm. If the image you're referring to is in #549, I'll go check right now and see what you're talking about.

[TheAmazingSpidey]

I checked, and the only time her belt is visible [in this issue] is when her opponent throws her onto Spidey, and he calls her 'crackerjack'--and it leaves no room to mistake it for three Js.

And if you're referring to preview images, ie the ones Wizard posted of Amazing #550, maybe...I don't remember the previews that much. I bookmarked the page, but when I went to visit, it was gone, so...:confused:

[XPac]

All I can say is, if Peter doesn't have enough cash for web fluid then Danny Rand is a cheap skate.

I don't expect him to buy mansions or Quinjets for his teammates like Stark did, but dishing out a few bucks to help a teammate pay for web fluid isn't asking a lot. Peter was able to afford it as a freelance photographer so the stuff can't be THAT expensive.

[Harlock]

All I can say is, if Peter doesn't have enough cash for web fluid then Danny Rand is a cheap skate.

I don't expect him to buy mansions or Quinjets for his teammates like Stark did, but dishing out a few bucks to help a teammate pay for web fluid isn't asking a lot. Peter was able to afford it as a freelance photographer so the stuff can't be THAT expensive.

Is Peter still an Avenger in BND? (I think he is but I haven't read any spoiler/manifesto crap). If he is, would he say, "Hey Danny, I'm as broke as a joke, man. Can you spot me some cash for some web fluid?" I don't see Peter ever asking for money. His pride has always seemed to get in the way, no matter how good the intentions might be. In fact, didn't he turn down some easy cash, or at least try to, in BND when Harry was all, "come on, it's cool, I got loads..."

[StoneGold]

Is Peter still an Avenger in BND? (I think he is but I haven't read any spoiler/manifesto crap). If he is, would he say, "Hey Danny, I'm as broke as a joke, man. Can you spot me some cash for some web fluid?" I don't see Peter ever asking for money. His pride has always seemed to get in the way, no matter how good the intentions might be. In fact, didn't he turn down some easy cash, or at least try to, in BND when Harry was all, "come on, it's cool, I got loads..."

Spidey asked other superheroes for money, once. ASM #1. Tried hitting up the FF for cash. It didn't work. It was embarrassing. He stopped.

[Harlock]

Spidey asked other superheroes for money, once. ASM #1. Tried hitting up the FF for cash. It didn't work. It was embarrassing. He stopped.

So there you go? Peter hasn't asked for a handout since 1963? Why should he start now?

[XPac]

Is Peter still an Avenger in BND? (I think he is but I haven't read any spoiler/manifesto crap). If he is, would he say, "Hey Danny, I'm as broke as a joke, man. Can you spot me some cash for some web fluid?" I don't see Peter ever asking for money. His pride has always seemed to get in the way, no matter how good the intentions might be. In fact, didn't he turn down some easy cash, or at least try to, in BND when Harry was all, "come on, it's cool, I got loads..."

Hmmm... with no Strange, and none of the Avengers having the ability to fly, Peter was the closest one to having any level of mobility. I guess the NA are going to be walking to their next emergency till Peter gets a job.

[Harlock]

Hmmm... with no Strange, and none of the Avengers having the ability to fly, Peter was the closest one to having any level of mobility. I guess the NA are going to be walking to their next emergency till Peter gets a job.

Wow, sadly, without pulling any issues to actually look, I think you might be right! Cage, Danny, Logan, Echo, Clint... Damn, the New Avengers can't get anywhere!

[spiderman_rj]

just read this,for me jackpot is so obviously carlie or someone other than mj,the line in the end is just a red herring like the kissing on that first page.

[spiderman_rj]

Wow, sadly, without pulling any issues to actually look, I think you might be right! Cage, Danny, Logan, Echo, Clint... Damn, the New Avengers can't get anywhere!

doesnt spiderwoman fly ?

[Harlock]

doesnt spiderwoman fly ?

I thought she was a Mighty Avenger?

[XPac]

doesnt spiderwoman fly ?

Yeah... not that it does the NA any good since she's part of the MA and they have QUinjets anyways.

[spiderman_rj]

oh i stop reading it after the elektra buziness,i though she was still with them. glad i droped the title then

[Harlock]

oh i stop reading it after the elektra buziness,i though she was still with them. glad i droped the title then

Ah! Thanks for your uninformed opinion then!

[CMBMOOL]

Well, I just finished reading this book and I'm not happy. Not happy at all.

Quesada continues to spit on the face of all of us. First, he made Peter kiss some random girl and now he teases us making Spider-man ask Jackpot if she's MJ!!! That's right, Spider-man just went and ask her if she's MJ!!! And Spidey spent all the issue without webs because he don't have the money to buy the stuff he uses to make webs!!! This is so ridiculous!!! :mad:

Wow, Marvel must think that we're really stupid to fall for some of these old plot lines. :mad:

Also they must also think that we're really gullible to not think that MJ isn't Jackpot, when it is so true. :mad:

[Matt Linton]

MJ for starters WAS his girlfriend, the Bimbo could have picked some other friend instead of Parker, who has nothing, and Carlie? She knows what Parker is, and yet she still went out with him. I mean, if I had that sort of Parker luck, I'd be in heaven.

The chick in the club didn't know anything about Peter other than he was hanging with Harry, and that Harry already had a girl.

[jackolover]

No, her belt has three sevens, not Js. It's "777" not "JJJ".

Okay, I found the link now. Look at the bottom panel and expand it, to see what's written on the belt buckle.

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Spider-Man/BND/549/AmazingSpiderMan549preview1.jpg

And when I actually looked in the book they weren't J's they were 7's. Why would the printing have one version, and the scans for the preview have something else?

[Brandon Hanvey]

Edit: I moved a bunch of "off topic" posts to the OMD Talk thread.

[Harlock]

The chick in the club didn't know anything about Peter other than he was hanging with Harry, and that Harry already had a girl.

Matt, seriously, how could you let reality interfere with a plotline?!?!? In all seriousness, it's really too bad the cake eaters can't man up. And, if you really are abstaining from cake, let the rest of us who enjoy the cake be fucking be.

[Taniwha]

Matt, seriously, how could you let reality interfere with a plotline?!?!? In all seriousness, it's really too bad the cake eaters can't man up. And, if you really are abstaining from cake, let the rest of us who enjoy the cake be fucking be.

You're supposed to eat cake, not fuck it.

[ZT4]

American Pie unfortunatly was filmed as a counter-argument.

[bjtrdff]

Ok, I don't know if this has been brought up in pervious pages, yet another mind boggling continuity issue:

a picture (presumably recently?) of Spidey in his black costume...but if May wasnt shot......oh well, it's the least of the spidey-problems now.


They're really harping the web shooters thing. Jesus Chris, we get it, he had webshooters and needs to make webbing. Get the fuck over it.

[Matt Linton]

May was still shot. She got better.

As to the issue, I enjoyed it, though not quite as much as Slott's. A good balance of Peter and Spider-Man, and three mysteries going at once (Who is Jackpot, Who is Menace, and the spider-tracer thing). Lots of fun bits, like Peter expecting to get reamed out by the new owner of the Bugle, only to be held up as an example of the perfect employee (and now he's fully expecting the other shoe to drop). I also enjoyed the Spidey/Jackpot banter, regardless of who she ends up being.

Larocca's art is good, but it's a little too photo-referenced at times, especially in some of the Jackpot shots. He does action very well, though, and the opening sequence with Spider-Man and the Daily Bugle sign is perfect.

[Shade 20x6]

just read this,for me jackpot is so obviously carlie or someone other than mj,the line in the end is just a red herring like the kissing on that first page.

No, it's MJ. It makes zero sense for it to be anyone else.

[bjtrdff]

I don't think May was shot. It never happened.

[Shade 20x6]

Okay, I found the link now. Look at the bottom panel and expand it, to see what's written on the belt buckle.

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Spider-Man/BND/549/AmazingSpiderMan549preview1.jpg

Nice to see that Marvel's commitment to continuity and detail is still fully intact.

[JohnnyC]

All in all, I agree with a lot of the positive reviews, but one thing bugged the shit out of me...

WHAT HAPPENED TO MENACE?!

Not the character, I mean, but the huge unveiling thing was supposed to be this week, no? I don't know, maybe I read wrong, but it sure seemed like last issue advertised this one as Menace's time to shine. Nevertheless, good issue.

[Matt Linton]

They've flat out said she was still shot in interviews, so, no offense, but it doesn't really matter what you think. It happened.

[spiderman_rj]

Ok, I don't know if this has been brought up in pervious pages, yet another mind boggling continuity issue:

a picture (presumably recently?) of Spidey in his black costume...but if May wasnt shot......oh well, it's the least of the spidey-problems now.


They're really harping the web shooters thing. Jesus Chris, we get it, he had webshooters and needs to make webbing. Get the fuck over it.

dude CHILL !! its been what 3 issues ? stop biting yourself over for any reason just becouse you lost the marriage.

how long have we had any mention to the webshooters in the comics again ? and then with the ridiculous organic webbing ?

about the picture of him,that may have just been a mistake by the colorist,i believe he is the one who insert this stuff like the buildings reflection in one page,or it maybe refering after the secret wars saga,or any period of time spider suit was damaged and he had to use the black one.....since there is no mj to be scared of venom,its plausible.

[Shade 20x6]

I don't think May was shot. It never happened.

According to Quesada, it did.

Of course, Harry apparently still died, but everyone forgot it. Including him. I guess.

Great. Now my head hurts again.

[Matt Linton]

Nice to see that Marvel's commitment to continuity and detail is still fully intact.

I don't think one artist screwing up one picture qualifies.

[CMBMOOL]

No, it's MJ. It makes zero sense for it to be anyone else.

Again Marvel must think that we as BND readers are REALLY DUMB for us not to guess Jackpot is MJ or is MJ in another disguise. :D

[TheAmazingSpidey]

Is Peter still an Avenger in BND? (I think he is but I haven't read any spoiler/manifesto crap). If he is, would he say, "Hey Danny, I'm as broke as a joke, man. Can you spot me some cash for some web fluid?" I don't see Peter ever asking for money. His pride has always seemed to get in the way, no matter how good the intentions might be. In fact, didn't he turn down some easy cash, or at least try to, in BND when Harry was all, "come on, it's cool, I got loads..."

In the letter space in the back of Amazing #549, it says that the whole NA ordeal will be dealt with in a little bit.

[Matt Linton]

They're completely playing up the idea that Jackpot is MJ, and in fact, they have Peter speculate about it, and flat-out ask her in this issue. That, to me, says it's likely a red herring.

[Matt Linton]

In the letter space in the back of Amazing #549, it says that the whole NA ordeal will be dealt with in a little bit.

In the Wells/Bachalo arc in April. Guest-starring Wolverine and Doctor Strange.

[bjtrdff]

I don't recall reading that May was still shot, but I'll take your word.

Which of course is fucking retarded. The point of undoing the marriage was supposed to be so people wouldnt know who spider-man was, so May wouldnt have been put in the position of being shot.

Im really not a fan of these new stories. Even the opening pages read like shitty 60s batman camp.

'SIT DOWN TRUE BELIEVERS, SPIDER-MAN HAS NO MONEY FOR WEBBING, AND A NEW SHITTY VILLAIN THAT WON'T LAST PAST THIS ARC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!'

[spiderman_rj]

According to Quesada, it did.

Of course, Harry apparently still died, but everyone forgot it. Including him. I guess.

Great. Now my head hurts again.

maybe its not harry but.......tan tan tan taaaaaaaaaaaannnnnn

A SRKULL :eek:

btw wasnt his death linked to marriage,was he mad goblin before the marriage.cos i remember him try to be hero goblin,with peter married,so maybe he never got into the bad goblin side,therefor never died.
of course that goes against the worldwide mindwipe only effect.

[CMBMOOL]

They're completely playing up the idea that Jackpot is MJ, and in fact, they have Peter speculate about it, and flat-out ask her in this issue. That, to me, says it's likely a red herring.

But what if it was true ? :(

[Harlock]

In the letter space in the back of Amazing #549, it says that the whole NA ordeal will be dealt with in a little bit.

And I assume it will be. But, as long as I can say loads and web-shooters, I'll be as happy as a clam...

[Matt Linton]

Im really not a fan of these new stories. Even the opening pages read like shitty 60s batman camp.

'SIT DOWN TRUE BELIEVERS, SPIDER-MAN HAS NO MONEY FOR WEBBING, AND A NEW SHITTY VILLAIN THAT WON'T LAST PAST THIS ARC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!'

Then why keep reading?

[bjtrdff]

I'm a masochist, and I can steal it from the internet or read it in the store rather than buying it like I did before. Also, I wanted to give the first few issues a try to see if things would improve.

Plus Joe Quesada keeps telling me to read ASM in every single interview I've seen, and it's starting to hypnotize me.



Anything else?

[Harlock]

Then why keep reading?

Well Duh! So they can bitch!

[Matt Linton]

I'm a masochist, and I can steal it or read it in the store rather than buying it like I did before.

Anything else?

My point, though, is why bother reading something that you don't enjoy, even if you're reading it for free? I could watch countless crappy reality TV shows for free, but I don't, because I don't enjoy them.

[bjtrdff]

No, your point was to have a witty internet one liner and couple it with a bad analogy.

But nonetheless, my point is that I've been a spidey-reader for a long time, have sunk my fair share of money into buying the books, and despite the clusterfuck that was OMD, I want to stay on board to see if BND becomes enjoyable for me. That means suffering through issues I might think suck until I either like future issues, or drop it.

[StoneGold]

Just going for my No-Prize - if May wasn't shot, he was wearing it for Captain America. Easy enough of a change.

[bjtrdff]

Yeah, and it's quite possible that the artist just threw it in, and editing left it in, thinking they could justify it in a number of ways (Bennett is just holding up a very old issue of the bugle, as it was the only one close by...)

[Matt Linton]

No, your point was to have a witty internet one liner and couple it with a bad analogy.

But nonetheless, my point is that I've been a spidey-reader for a long time, have sunk my fair share of money into buying the books, and despite the clusterfuck that was OMD, I want to stay on board to see if BND becomes enjoyable for me. That means suffering through issues I might think suck until I either like future issues, or drop it.

Here's an idea: I'll take what you say at face value and you do the same for me. I asked the question because I honestly don't understand why people continue to read comics that they don't enjoy. You answered the question, so fair enough.

[bjtrdff]

Touche salesman.

[Shade 20x6]

I don't think one artist screwing up one picture qualifies.

It shows that that artist doesn't pay much attention to detail. Nor does the editor, apparently.

Seriously, JJJ? What kind of sense does that make?

[Harlock]

No, your point was to have a witty internet one liner and couple it with a bad analogy.

But nonetheless, my point is that I've been a spidey-reader for a long time, have sunk my fair share of money into buying the books, and despite the clusterfuck that was OMD, I want to stay on board to see if BND becomes enjoyable for me. That means suffering through issues I might think suck until I either like future issues, or drop it.

I gotta say, this is fair. Mind if I ask how many issues you need until 500 to current? 400 to current? 300 to current? 200 to current?

Me? as an Amazing Spider-Man collector I need 39 issues for 300 to current, and including those, I need 102 comic books (in NM to MINT) to get issue 200 to current. That would place me (if I got them all) from January 1980 to current. I started collecting in 1983, so, this would place me before my time all the way until now.

So, looking at status quo... where are we as a whole? Really, no one knows, without looking at sales. And, seriously, looking at sales, will a 616 Amazing Spider-Man sell more than 616 ASM, Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, and Sensational Spider-Man combined? Confusticate it! Let's just enjoy Spidey for what he is?!

[Shade 20x6]

Again Marvel must think that we as BND readers are REALLY DUMB for us not to guess Jackpot is MJ or is MJ in another disguise. :D

Apparently, they're right, because I've seen quite a few people try to overthink it.

[Harlock]

Apparently, they're right, because I've seen quite a few people try to overthink it.

And still you know who she is? So far, nothing is concrete except for Peter being broke as hell.... Sure all signs point to Jackpot being MJ... How many signs point to Tony Stark being a Skrull? Emma Frost? Umm, I dunno, BLACK BOLT!?!?! Seriously. No one knows shit until this summer-ish.

[bjtrdff]

In terms of actual purchases, around 100 (Amazing), through actual shop buying and ebay (I've gotten a lot of them on the cheap). Like most folk, I also have a pile of MK, Friendly, etc;. I've obviously read a lot more than that through the magic of the internet.

I'm not saying I'm in any different situation than most spidey-fans. If you've bought issues, then you have a right to stick with things for awhile and see if you like it. If you don't, come see your fellow internet comic nerds and complain.

I wouldn't be the guy reading every single NA and shitting on the entire thing everytime, but there is a decent time period when I think it's acceptable.

[Shade 20x6]

And still you know who she is? So far, nothing is concrete except for Peter being broke as hell.... Sure all signs point to Jackpot being MJ... How many signs point to Tony Stark being a Skrull? Emma Frost? Umm, I dunno, BLACK BOLT!?!?! Seriously. No one knows shit until this summer-ish.

There is no logical reason to believe that Jackpot is anyone other than MJ.

[Harlock]

In terms of actual purchases, around 100 (Amazing), through actual shop buying and ebay (I've gotten a lot of them on the cheap). Like most folk, I also have a pile of MK, Friendly, etc;. I've obviously read a lot more than that through the magic of the internet.

I'm not saying I'm in any different situation than most spidey-fans. If you've bought issues, then you have a right to stick with things for awhile and see if you like it. If you don't, come see your fellow internet comic nerds and complain.

I wouldn't be the guy reading every single NA and shitting on the entire thing everytime, but there is a decent time period when I think it's acceptable.

So umm, PM me your ASM sources? (only 102 issues for me to be from 1/1/1980 to current) I am like you. NA or hell, even Amazing Spider-Man sources may creep up, but it is comic books in the end.

Retcons happen

Reboots happen

Completely extraneous editorial mandates happen

What matters is if you can believe the main character would live through this or not. If not, more power to you! There are threads for you to bitch. Otherwise, there are threads for you to reason out how the retcon affects current storylines. Really, that should be the end of it. Pro or con, make up your mind and let other objective people debate the finer points, baby. Otherwise, you're a whiner!

PS EDIT: Not pointing fingers, just saying in a relative sense... so you see and all.

[Harlock]

There is no logical reason to believe that Jackpot is anyone other than MJ.

At this point, I agree. That is not to say making JP MJ is a lazy plot point or an easy way out.... It's just to say at this point it makes the most sense.

[Shade 20x6]

So umm, PM me your ASM sources? (only 102 issues for me to be from 1/1/1980 to current) I am like you. NA or hell, even Amazing Spider-Man sources may creep up, but it is comic books in the end.

Retcons happen

Reboots happen

Completely extraneous editorial mandates happen

What matters is if you can believe the main character would live through this or not. If not, more power to you! There are threads for you to bitch. Otherwise, there are threads for you to reason out how the retcon affects current storylines. Really, that should be the end of it. Pro or con, make up your mind and let other objective people debate the finer points, baby. Otherwise, you're a whiner!

PS EDIT: Not pointing fingers, just saying in a relative sense... so you see and all.

These things wouldn't happen if people would stop buying it.

Saying "I can't change it, so why try?" makes you a part of the problem. You CAN change it. See the Clone Saga for proof.

Wanting quality over half-assed, careless writing is NOT whining. "Thank you sir, may I have another?" is not my motto.

[Harlock]

These things wouldn't happen if people would stop buying it.

Saying "I can't change it, so why try?" makes you a part of the problem. You CAN change it. See the Clone Saga for proof.

Wanting quality over half-assed, careless writing is NOT whining. "Thank you sir, may I have another?" is not my motto.

So what of some of us prefer a Peter who is not tied down by marriage? What if my quality is Peter vs. some Terrorists who contain his wife? What if Peter is against a whole complete organization against an asian influx? (like as in Ghost in the Shell 2ng gig 2?"

There is nothing to say that a superior storyline can preclude a lackluster series like OMD.

[drwho]

I havent read this but I like spoilers I read to make sense. so my question is didnt jonah own the bugle? If so why would he sell it? This is speculation. And also werent they wanting to keep the old supporting cast around so shuffling Jonah off to where ever is supposed to do what? Is jonah still gonna be around?

[Shade 20x6]

So what of some of us prefer a Peter who is not tied down by marriage? What if my quality is Peter vs. some Terrorists who contain his wife? What if Peter is against a whole complete organization against an asian influx? (like as in Ghost in the Shell 2ng gig 2?"

There is nothing to say that a superior storyline can preclude a lackluster series like OMD.

Then I'm not referring to you.

It's the people who say "OMD is awful! I hate a single Spider-Man and the status quo change!" and then proceed to buy it anyway, essentially telling Marvel that it is what they want.

And so far BND is lackluster, though it looks like a masterpiece compared to the toilet paper that was OMD.

[mikekerr3]

I gotta say, this is fair. Mind if I ask how many issues you need until 500 to current? 400 to current? 300 to current? 200 to current?

Me? as an Amazing Spider-Man collector I need 39 issues for 300 to current, and including those, I need 102 comic books (in NM to MINT) to get issue 200 to current. That would place me (if I got them all) from January 1980 to current. I started collecting in 1983, so, this would place me before my time all the way until now.

So, looking at status quo... where are we as a whole? Really, no one knows, without looking at sales. And, seriously, looking at sales, will a 616 Amazing Spider-Man sell more than 616 ASM, Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, and Sensational Spider-Man combined? Confusticate it! Let's just enjoy Spidey for what he is?!


I am now 549to current for ASM. I think i have probable bought over 500 though. Having spent the money doesn't mean you keep all the books. or that you gave marvel less money for the story. I just means you are more obsessive or have more storage space.

My problem with enjoying what he is, is that I don't like who he is anymore.

You are right we won't know for months if BND is actually a success or failure. Either way some of us will get happiness out of that. Just like BND itself some hate it some like it

Personally I hope it fails miserably, that would bring me great joy.

[Matt Linton]

I havent read this but I like spoilers I read to make sense. so my question is didnt jonah own the bugle? If so why would he sell it? This is speculation. And also werent they wanting to keep the old supporting cast around so shuffling Jonah off to where ever is supposed to do what? Is jonah still gonna be around?

Jonah had a heart attack at the end of Slott's first issue. His wife, believing the stress of owning the Bugle caused it, sold the paper to Bennett. We haven't seen his reaction yet (but it's only been two issues, so that's not surprising).

[DeadXMan]

Hmmm... with no Strange, and none of the Avengers having the ability to fly, Peter was the closest one to having any level of mobility. I guess the NA are going to be walking to their next emergency till Peter gets a job.

dude they still have Danny and his money.
not mention the old flying machine of rand's

(a quadzeppelin would kick ass and you know it.)
also I think Logan can barrow the blackbird

[DeadXMan]

At this point, I agree. That is not to say making JP MJ is a lazy plot point or an easy way out.... It's just to say at this point it makes the most sense.

and that's why she won't be.
if years of reading X-men has taught me anything, it is the idea that makes the most sense will not be the case.

[Xplicit Content]

I'm thinking Jackpot is going to be multiple people...Carlie and MJ, and that it might have something to do with one of them wanting to dodge registration. The reason why Carlie is using "tiger" could be her trying to actually mimic MJ's personality to make things look more authentic, or maybe MJ is just rubbing off on Carlie. It would mesh well with Jackpot's first appearance since she mentioned both a modeling job and the amount of bones in the human hand. Maybe Carlie was referring to the money MJ got from that modeling job. I don't know, but I refuse to believe Jackpot's identity is as cut and dry as it seems.

[StoneGold]

I'm thinking Jackpot is going to be multiple people...Carlie and MJ, and that it might have something to do with one of them wanting to dodge registration.

Except Jackpot is registered.



It's probably Jean Grey.

[Xplicit Content]

Except Jackpot is registered.



That's the point. If Jackpot is 2 people, she might only be registered with the Initiative under one name, keeping the identity of the other girl secret. Jackpot could be registered as Mary Jane, but not as Carlie, because Carlie wants to keep her ID secret. Or vice versa, MJ wants to keep her ID secret, so Carlie offers up her name for registration. I'm assuming Carlie would be the one who wants to keep her ID secret because she'd be the one wearing the red wig and using the MJ terminology.

[Arilou]

Apparently, they're right, because I've seen quite a few people try to overthink it.

Well, it IS coming off as so obvious that you think it almost has to be a red herring.

[SnakeEater]

I agree. For a guy who has money issues, he shouldn't always have money for webs.

HE LIVES WITH HIS AUNT. BEN REILLY MADE WEBS OUT OF CRAP HE BOUGHT FOR ABOUT 5 DOLLARS.

[Excelsior]

Remember when a few people thought the new captain america wasnt Bucky, because it would be too obvious.

The same thing applies to Jackpot, her and peters marriage has been destroyed, making MJ jackpot is an attempt on some level to placate irate OMD fans.

[Lemurion]

I'm giving BND some time to see how it turns out. I did like the marriage and hated OMD but BND is its own thing and should be judged on its own merits.

As to 549, I have to say that I liked the art, and the bit with Spidey singing his own theme song was fun. Unfortunately that's not enough to make the issue a win for me. The dialogue felt too "cutesy" to me, and the running out of web fluid has been done to death. So far he's appeared in costume in three issues, and run out of web fluid in two of them.

Yes Peter Parker's defined by his problems and failures, but can he at least have to worry about different things in different issues?

I'm still waiting for the feeling of fresh new and exciting stories.

[ZT4]

Remember when a few people thought the new captain america wasnt Bucky, because it would be too obvious.

The same thing applies to Jackpot, her and peters marriage has been destroyed, making MJ jackpot is an attempt on some level to placate irate OMD fans.


There making MJ Jackpot to give the relationship some conflict and mystery. Peter hasnt registered, MJ fell into this crowd at some point during or after her relationship with Peter, she probably had to end it because she became Jackpot. If she did it to protect Peter and May, but is obligated to bring in Spider-Man (whose identity is blocked from her memory), it makes things ten times more difficult for them to pursue a realtionship, or for her to do her job properly if his identity is exposed, because we know Peter wont register even if he knows she would like him to.

Quesada wants to bring the two back together without the marraige, but with the way it's been set up, it's going to be something they will have to keep to themselves. A registered hero making out with a vigilante doesnt make a spotless record.

[Rahul]

Extremely terrific start. The writing is much much much better than Dan Slott's(in respect that Spidey is not talking to himself again, and is less speaking like a hyperactive 12 year old), and why not? Its Marc Guggenheim continuing his terrific writing from his Blade and Wolverine run.

I especially like the mystery setup, haven't had one like that in a Spidey title. And it looks like Sins past may be canon, with the mention of the GRAY Goblin. And I may be falling for the red herring, but I do think Jackpot's MJ, especially with the Tiger references and what not..

Unfortunately, the art is less better. Hopefully the artist can pick up his threads next ish.

Slowly, I am really warming up to BND.

[Shade 20x6]

Well, it IS coming off as so obvious that you think it almost has to be a red herring.

That's what people were saying about OMD.

[Shade 20x6]

There making MJ Jackpot to give the relationship some conflict and mystery. Peter hasnt registered, MJ fell into this crowd at some point during or after her relationship with Peter, she probably had to end it because she became Jackpot. If she did it to protect Peter and May, but is obligated to bring in Spider-Man (whose identity is blocked from her memory), it makes things ten times more difficult for them to pursue a realtionship, or for her to do her job properly if his identity is exposed, because we know Peter wont register even if he knows she would like him to.

Quesada wants to bring the two back together without the marraige, but with the way it's been set up, it's going to be something they will have to keep to themselves. A registered hero making out with a vigilante doesnt make a spotless record.

And we've already been through this before with the Black Cat, but in reverse. This plotline's already old and uninspired.

[Leocomix]

The storylines were conceived one year ago, so nothing in this is "done to placate fans."

[Billy Parker]

Awesome issue, as I knew it would be with Marc writing.

[DeadXMan]

HE LIVES WITH HIS AUNT. BEN REILLY MADE WEBS OUT OF CRAP HE BOUGHT FOR ABOUT 5 DOLLARS.

he made meth webbing?

[rZi]

Just finished reading my issue and;

wow.

Never liked guggenheim before now, and i instantly get his take on spider-man. The dialouge was really witty and clever, especialy between MJ and Peter. This was probably the best dialouge in a book ive read in the past 3 weeks or so, he really got me excited by this alone.

The art by Sal was what i expected, not great but not poor either...when youve read all his work on x-men you kind of expect it's medicore-ness, no offence to him.

Im officaly excited for guggenheim, i can't believe how much ive liked just a single issue where not a great deal happend...i must be high or something.

Having spider-man sing his own theme song...this was just a little funny momment in itself.

Peter punching jackpot "you hit the jackpot" i never really like humour in comics, i like them dark and gritty but this made me smerk.

Great issue...but why hide menace all issue to only relase images of him earlier showing what he looks like? Seems a little backwards to me but hey..

[stillanerd]

There making MJ Jackpot to give the relationship some conflict and mystery. Peter hasnt registered, MJ fell into this crowd at some point during or after her relationship with Peter, she probably had to end it because she became Jackpot. If she did it to protect Peter and May, but is obligated to bring in Spider-Man (whose identity is blocked from her memory), it makes things ten times more difficult for them to pursue a realtionship, or for her to do her job properly if his identity is exposed, because we know Peter wont register even if he knows she would like him to.

Quesada wants to bring the two back together without the marraige, but with the way it's been set up, it's going to be something they will have to keep to themselves. A registered hero making out with a vigilante doesnt make a spotless record.

I agree with both of those assessments ZT4, especially since, as things look now, it only makes logical sense for Jackpot to be MJ given all the indications. Heck, you even have it where Peter tells Harry how he can't get a hold of MJ via her e-mail, which one would logically assume no one else can either. Plus, Harry's comment about how it's not like MJ is in the witness protection program can be read as being ironic if MJ is Jackpot, since, in a sense, registered heroes fall under the same guidelines as witness protection. And with the notion that Marvel set-up that nobody, including MJ supposedly, knows Peter is Spider-Man, you have it so that if Peter confirms MJ is Jackpot, he can't tell her because he'll believe she'll be forced by her superiors to reveal who he really is and arrest him, and she, not knowing Peter is Spider-Man, can't tell anyone, especially Peter, the truth out of fear of her friends and loved ones being a target, while at the same time trying to figure out who Spider-Man is since he somehow figured out her "carefully guarded" secret identity.

And we've already been through this before with the Black Cat, but in reverse. This plotline's already old and uninspired.

Yep, but perfectly in keeping with BND's "70s and 80s retro" take on Spider-Man.

[Leocomix]

It's funny but reading the threads it's obvious the series hasn't been this exciting since forever. And all the denial from those who can't look at it means nothing. Already the fans' world is buzzing with theories on Jackpot, Menace, etc. This is a long tradition. people mention the Green Goblin and Hobgoblin mysteries. But what about the Big Man (it was suspected it was JJJ), the Crime Master, and the best of all: the Master Planner. Even Len Wein's Green Goblin was a mystery.

[Shade 20x6]

It's funny but reading the threads it's obvious the series hasn't been this exciting since forever. And all the denial from those who can't look at it means nothing. Already the fans' world is buzzing with theories on Jackpot, Menace, etc. This is a long tradition. people mention the Green Goblin and Hobgoblin mysteries. But what about the Big Man (it was suspected it was JJJ), the Crime Master, and the best of all: the Master Planner. Even Len Wein's Green Goblin was a mystery.

"Controversial" does not equal "exciting."

There's nothing exciting about BND at all. It's all been done before, and better at that.

[Bulky Brent]

just read this,for me jackpot is so obviously carlie or someone other than mj,the line in the end is just a red herring like the kissing on that first page.
Yep cats out of the bag we just need next issue to confirm it.

I agree. For a guy who has money issues, he shouldn't always have money for webs.
I still wish he still had the organic webbing.

[Leocomix]

Judging from the talk about the identity of Jackpot and Menace, about all the fans that say they enjoy BND, that this is the true Spider-Man, I just don't recall a time when the title has been this exciting since Internet boards exist. It's not yet the excitement of the Hobgoblin years (1983-1986) but I think it's only starting.

[chrismileslord]

Well, I just finished reading this book and I'm not happy. Not happy at all.

Quesada continues to spit on the face of all of us. First, he made Peter kiss some random girl and now he teases us making Spider-man ask Jackpot if she's MJ!!! That's right, Spider-man just went and ask her if she's MJ!!! And Spidey spent all the issue without webs because he don't have the money to buy the stuff he uses to make webs!!! This is so ridiculous!!! :mad:

I completely agree. I have tried so hard to accept this and think that maybe we could get some good stories out of this, but they have been horrid. Every issue we get "Oh Noez, I am out of web fluid" " I am such a loser" and you have Harry doing nothing but serving as a plot device. I can't figure out what is going on, insert random Harry comment that sparks a memory in Peter that solves the problem. Oh and Jackpot is just a rip off Black Cat, and Black Cat is amazing. Jackpot, not so much.

This is just sad. I thought it would give us something good, and the new enemy is pretty cool and I like it, but you didn't need to unmarry Peter to introduce this villian, or other new villians. So, thus far, it's complete7142749 garbage.

I told myself I will stay on for a full six months at least, should be thirty issues, and that should be enough to make a full decision. As of the first couple, it's not looking to great. And I love Spiderman, used to be one of my top three books.

[Shade 20x6]

Judging from the talk about the identity of Jackpot and Menace, about all the fans that say they enjoy BND, that this is the true Spider-Man, I just don't recall a time when the title has been this exciting since Internet boards exist. It's not yet the excitement of the Hobgoblin years (1983-1986) but I think it's only starting.

Everyone already knows who Jackpot is, whether they want to try to admit it or not.

We've already been through the "who's the new Goblin?!" thing about...what...half a dozen times or so? At this point I just say "ho-hum" to the whole thing. Odds are it's just Harry, anyway.

[ZT4]

Oh joy, we're onto the "true Spidey" lines now from the defendents.

So does that make people who show how loyal they were and didnt jump off ship in 1993 and enjoyed the comics "fake fans" Leo my boy? True Spidey my arse. All interpretations of Spidey are as valid as the other.

And I recall people saying JMS' run and Bendis' USM were Spidey at his most exciting. Again, stop making up this bollocks that Spidey hasnt been relevant for ten to twenty years. 616 Spidey has never been more irrelevant, the only difference is that in this case irrelevence is popular so long as you're playing an 8-track casseste in your Quatro pretending Dan Slott's name is Roger Stern.

[ComicBookGuyAndy]

Guess I'll post something positive and say I really enjoyed the issue. Really liked Spidey in this..his voice felt perfect to me. Looking forward to more next week!

[Matt Linton]

It's all been done before, and better at that.

You can keep saying that, but it doesn't make it true.

[Shade 20x6]

You can keep saying that, but it doesn't make it true.

Except that, it is true.

[Matt Linton]

Except that, it is true.

Here's my post from another thread detailing what I feel is new in Brand New Day. Rather than going in circles, maybe you could state what you feel ISN'T new, rather than just saying the same thing over and over again.

The point, which you seem to have missed, is that you can write stories about Peter and MJ that you can't write about when they're married, or if you do, they're completely different stories. If MJ is Jackpot, for example, that's a story that doesn't work with her and Peter being married. Peter being down on his luck to the point of having to live at home for awhile, is a completely different story with Peter and MJ married. Carlie being interested in Peter, whether she's Jackpot or not, is a different story when they're married.

And all of this, "these stories are old and have already been done" is just nonsense. For one thing, how many truly original stories were there in the 20 years that Peter and MJ were married? Aunt May died, which was retconned, Peter was revealed as a clone, which was retconned, they had a baby, which disappeared and was never mentioned again. He got new powers, which he rarely used. He unmasked, something they've said they only did because they knew BND was coming, same with having Peter on the run from the Pro-reg heroes.

And there ARE new things in Brand New Day. The new owner of the Daily Bugle actually likes Peter, and thinks he's the perfect example of what his other employees should be like. He has no interest in Spider-Man, or stories about him. Aunt May is working for a criminal ganglord, who may not even know that he's a criminal ganglord. Harry's dating a girl whose father is running for mayor, and he's bankrolling his campaign. There's a new superhero who might be MJ, might be Carlie, but seems to be interested in Peter either way. Someone appears to be making a deliberate attempt to frame Spider-Man for murder, and we don't know who's doing it, or why.

All of that is just after 1 story and 1/3 of a story so far.

And to avoid us further derailing this thread, here's a link to the general Brand New Day thread.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=203249&page=310

[bulbasteve]

Man Guggenheim, knocked it out of the park. Slott could learn a thing or 10 from this issue.

[Matt Linton]

I liked Slott's issues a bit more, but I think he had the tougher job of the two. he had to introduce new characters and subplots, while also telling the main story in three issues.

[Shade 20x6]

Here's my post from another thread detailing what I feel is new in Brand New Day. Rather than going in circles, maybe you could state what you feel ISN'T new, rather than just saying the same thing over and over again.



And to avoid us further derailing this thread, here's a link to the general Brand New Day thread.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=203249&page=310

Do you not realize that there were Spider-Man stories before he was married?

Spider-Man was single for 15 years before the marriage, and the stories we got then are similar to what we're getting now: Down on his luck Peter with no money, living with his Aunt. The Daily Bugle has been sold before. Aunt May has been close to one of Spider-Man's enemies before. Spider-Man has been framed for murder before. Spider-Man's run out of web fluid at bad times before. Jackpot was better when she was the Black Cat. And Menace was better when he was the Green Goblin/Hobgoblin.

I highly recommend you hunt down and check out some Essentials if you don't know what I'm talking about.

[DarKye]

I think Slott's issues were better, but I'll have to read the rest of this arc before making any definitive call.

Seeing Spidey save the construction worker and sing his theme was cool, but it made absolutely no sense.
First off, he's still an illegal vigilante. Last time he put on his costume out of need. In this issue, it seems like he was just traveling around using his webs. (Unless he's fast enough to change into costume & swing high enough to catch the worker)
Second, he pulled a Gwen Stacy on the worker and didn't snap his neck.

I didn't really like Jackpot's sequences. Which is ironic since after seeing the preview, I was really excited about that character.

The bit with Mr. Bennett was really good though. I'm looking forward to seeing more of him.


In any case, maybe I'll change my mind about Jackpot in the next couple of issues.

[Matt Linton]

Do you not realize that there were Spider-Man stories before he was married?

Spider-Man was single for 15 years before the marriage, and the stories we got then are similar to what we're getting now: Down on his luck Peter with no money, living with his Aunt. The Daily Bugle has been sold before. Aunt May has been close to one of Spider-Man's enemies before. Spider-Man has been framed for murder before. Spider-Man's run out of web fluid at bad times before. Jackpot was better when she was the Black Cat. And Menace was better when he was the Green Goblin/Hobgoblin.

I highly recommend you hunt down and check out some Essentials if you don't know what I'm talking about.

I've been reading comics, including Spider-Man, for twenty years, and I've read the first four Essential Spider-Man trades. And similar isn't the same. Spider-Man's fought Doc Ock dozens of times, but that doesn't mean that every time he fights Doc Ock it's the same story. And the only thing that the same between Jackpot and the Black Cat is that they're female characters in costumes.

[Shade 20x6]

I've been reading comics, including Spider-Man, for twenty years, and I've read the first four Essential Spider-Man trades. And similar isn't the same. Spider-Man's fought Doc Ock dozens of times, but that doesn't mean that every time he fights Doc Ock it's the same story. And the only thing that the same between Jackpot and the Black Cat is that they're female characters in costumes.

Trust me, it's the same damn book with a shiny new cover.

As for Jackpot and Black Cat: Both superheroines on a side of the law opposite Spider-Man with a personal interest in him. Even if it's only 90% the same story/character, it's similar enough to not be exciting or particularly interesting, and certainly not worth how we got here, and definitely not "new."

[Sonicjuce]

Trust me, it's the same damn book with a shiny new cover.

As for Jackpot and Black Cat: Both superheroines on a side of the law opposite Spider-Man with a personal interest in him. Even if it's only 90% the same story/character, it's similar enough to not be exciting or particularly interesting, and certainly not worth how we got here, and definitely not "new."

You know I hate that they got rid of the marriage but this argument is getting so tiring.

The fact is that every Spider-Man story in the last 5 years could be connected to a prior story in some way or another. After 500+ issues of just one title of Spider-Man comics in hard to have fresh ideas.

People need to whine in the threads that are about whining. I wanted to read people opinions of the issue. Instead I got 11 pages of people complaining. For the most part anyway.

[NKSCF]

I'll be blunt and honest here to start off. I hate Joe Q's decision to change the marriage and the like, but, unfortunately for people like me, that isn't going to be changed unless sells drop, which doesn't seem likely now.

So, the series we've got now. I missed a couple issues but I've kind of caught up by looking at posts here. I am certainly very interested in how this whole thing pans out. I'd also like to see just who that mysterious figure was at the end of the ish.

It's good so far, but, IMHO the old one was better.

[lazlo_toth]

In the letter space in the back of Amazing #549, it says that the whole NA ordeal will be dealt with in a little bit.

So, what if the Spidey that's been running around with the NA the past few months turns out to be a Skrull?

[NKSCF]

That'll never happen unless BND fails, so they'll want to retcon him asap. However, I can't see that happening soon. I think sales are actually going pretty good.

[lazlo_toth]

That'll never happen unless BND fails, so they'll want to retcon him asap. However, I can't see that happening soon. I think sales are actually going pretty good.

That's the beauty of it: ASM could possibly lose a third of its readership and Marvel would still come out ahead. Has a major superhero title EVER lost that many readers in the space of a month or two? I doubt it, and I'd be astounded if it happened here. I absolutely HATE BND and I still don't think that's going to happen.

[Teitr Styrr]

In my issue, that picture of Jackpot's buckle that was posted before is definately 777.

I stopped reading Spidey awhile back, and for some reason BND has brought me back. Weird.

[philly]

That'll never happen unless BND fails, so they'll want to retcon him asap. However, I can't see that happening soon. I think sales are actually going pretty good.

We will not get a clear picture about actual sales until a few months from now. Yes, retailers bought a lot of copies but it does not reflex that people are buying it.

[RunningMonk]

I live in Spidey's home town of New York City, and as I got off the R train, reading my Spidey comic like a good American man-child, the train operator leaned out the window and said "Hey, SPIDEY! 'That the new series? Ya', I'm gettin' that too! Love it!"

If BND is good enough for NY's MTA, it's good enough for me!

that's awesome.

[becominAfanAgain]

Well as everyone said the interaction between Jackpot and Spidey was very good this is by far the best BND so far. It got my interested a little now. And the part where Spidey ask Jackpot if she was MJ was cool too. Then near the end Jackpot call Spidey Tiger..Hmmmmm good stuff maybe that what MJ whisper to the Demon ( give her super power maybe)... Which would be good on her behalf. I always thought she was kind of jealous of Peter and Felica relationship because they both had super powers. So if BND stays on this path I might stay aboard.

Now my dislikes what the h#** happen to Spidey spider sense it's like it didn't work worth a damn the whole issue. He hits Jackpot whose is sneaking up on him. Old spider sense would have let him know if she was real danger or not. He also show a lack of strength on here. The running out of web thing didn't bother me that much. Kind of remind me of the Identity Crisis days.

Good issue!! Stock is looking up so far, but can they keep it going up is the question.

[Rahul]

Now my dislikes what the h#** happen to Spidey spider sense it's like it didn't work worth a damn the whole issue. He hits Jackpot whose is sneaking up on him. Old spider sense would have let him know if she was real danger or not.


The thing about the Spider sense is, different writers use it differently.
Somedays he'll get knocked out by a mind controlled Aunt May by a broomstick unawares, and sometimes not.

[Venom]

It was a pretty good issue. However I found Jackpot to be very arrogant and pig headed. It's like she was just there to verbally abuse Spidey for the whole issue. The only time she was nice to him is when they were on the train. She's acting very differently than she was in "Swing Shift" where she helped him out. I also didn't like how she thinks she's more of a professional than Spidey just because she's registered.

She's only been around for five minutes while Spider-Man has years of experience. And experience is what makes you more of a professional. I'll give her a chance though seeing as she's still green and it's only the first part of this story. From an interview I read they said Jackpot is supposed to be a big fan girl of the Web-Head, but I haven't seen any of that at all so far so hopefully I'll wait and see if it'll turn out like that.

Another annoying aspect of the issue was Spidey out of web fluid... again. He has mechanical web-shooters, I get it. It was fun in Dan Slott's story, but does he have to run out web fluid in every damn story. I'm wondering how he's going to run out of web-fluid in Bob Gale's story now. Aside from all those problems, great issue.

[ZT4]

Jackpot is supposed to be a big fan girl of the Web-Head, but I haven't seen any of that at all so far so hopefully I'll wait and see if it'll turn out like that.

Well, she IS supposed to be bringing him in, he's connected to several murders and he's a vigilante. People get tense when they have to do their job that involves handcuffing someone they dont want to judge on the spot.

[TheAmazingSpidey]

So, what if the Spidey that's been running around with the NA the past few months turns out to be a Skrull?

Well, wouldn't the real Spidey have heard about it, then?


This hurts my head...:p

I'll just hope that the Spidey I've been reading about in NA doesn't turn out to be a Skrull, and that they deal with this in a satisfying way...(one that doesn't include 'outing' Spidey as a Skrull).

[TheAmazingSpidey]

It was a pretty good issue. However I found Jackpot to be very arrogant and pig headed. It's like she was just there to verbally abuse Spidey for the whole issue. The only time she was nice to him is when they were on the train. She's acting very differently than she was in "Swing Shift" where she helped him out. I also didn't like how she thinks she's more of a professional than Spidey just because she's registered.

She's only been around for five minutes while Spider-Man has years of experience. And experience is what makes you more of a professional.




Well, the thing about that, is, Spidey said something along the lines of "Leave this to the professionals," to which Jackpot says something like, "I'm registered. So technically, I'm more professional than you."

See, she said "technically," as in she's not a vigilante, she's registered, and works for the government--she's considered a professional in that sense. I don't think she's dumb enough to think that she, a newbie, is more professional than Spidey, who has been around for years and taken on everyone this side of Galactus.

The "technically" is the key word there.

I hope I explained this well, my head's kinda fuzzy at the moment. :p

[Pinual]

Have not been buying BND but have been reading them as I work in a Comic store and read everything to converse with folks.

I thought the Slott story was meh and I admit that part of that might be anger over the whole OMD/BND event.

This story however was horrible. The out of web fluid thing was lame, the thought bubble about hoping he had enough for the sign was stupid. Using Harry as a plot device to figure out a glider path.... COME ON!

I wonder if in this line we have a Harry who was never a goblin or if Peter just never learned because he would be on the top of my list.

The MJ and Peter, sorry Jackpot and Peter event was just bad. I have been in a longterm relationship for some time and you know the persons voice, their eyes, heck the shape of their ears. If its MJ under that mask Peter knows it and if its not well he knows that too.

Bleah.....:(

[unkiedev]

You know I hate that they got rid of the marriage but this argument is getting so tiring.

People need to whine in the threads that are about whining. I wanted to read people opinions of the issue. Instead I got 11 pages of people complaining. For the most part anyway.I agree. The Mods are doing the best they can, but most of the posts here were about complaining...heck, you and I are taking up valuable bandwith writing posts about posts about complaining. Me Sad.

[Leocomix]

Oh joy, we're onto the "true Spidey" lines now from the defendents.

So does that make people who show how loyal they were and didnt jump off ship in 1993 and enjoyed the comics "fake fans" Leo my boy? True Spidey my arse. All interpretations of Spidey are as valid as the other.

And I recall people saying JMS' run and Bendis' USM were Spidey at his most exciting. Again, stop making up this bollocks that Spidey hasnt been relevant for ten to twenty years. 616 Spidey has never been more irrelevant, the only difference is that in this case irrelevence is popular so long as you're playing an 8-track casseste in your Quatro pretending Dan Slott's name is Roger Stern.

Sure, I wanted to see how you would react if I reversed the argument about "true Spidey" and... miracle, I get to read that all interpretations are valid!! Yes, they are, including OMD and BND, which was my point but I guess I had to be circumvoluted to get it admitted from an anti. I absolutely loved JMS, he brought me back to reading it and I'll even say his work is better on average than BND so far but since I hold several versions to be valid I'm giving it a chance and it's quite fun. (I also like Untold Tales, Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane, Ultimate, Spider-Girl - in that sequence but rapidly decreasing)

I haven't said anything about relevancy. I'm sure the kids loved Venom and Carnage and Clone Saga. I just didn't recognize the character I had been reading. Even MJ didn't look like herself at all with her curly hair.

[MrPalen]

Well I didn't read everything in the thread but I think I got the gyst of it.

Anyway.

This is one of the best Spider-Man comics I've read in a really long time! It's hard to pinpoint exactly why, but it just felt great. I was excited all the way through. Spidey's dialogue and inner-monologue were spot-on, and the art was amazing. I think the Is-Jackpot-MJ thing they're trying to make us care about is really stupid no matter what the answer is, but absent that, the interaction of the characters was great.

This feels like Spider-Man.

[DF2506]

Read Amazing Spider-man #549 on Thursday. Here's my thoughts: Spoilers ahead of course...

The issue starts out really good with the introduction, sort of, of Menace and then Menace throwing that guy off the building & Spidey saving him. I really loved the part with him singing the Spiderman song and adding his own lyrics (lol. hehe), also liked the corny "U" joke. Sooooo Spidey! :)

The stuff with the Daily Bugle had to be the best part of the issue though. Pete going to the Bugle and seeing the chances, plus actually having someone on his side for once. lol.

Then there's the stuff with Jackpot. I have to say, I like Jackpot. Its obvious that she's MJ and if it turns out she's NOT MJ then that'll be really lame I think. Unless they come up with some amazingly suprising reason its not her. lol. Don't see that happening...

I like the back and forth between Spidey & Jackpot. Calling 'dibs' on the Grey Goblin, HA!

Now comes the weakest part of the issue and the thing that really makes me go " SIGH. Give me a break..."

We see a train ahead toward Spidey & Jackpot...there in danger and then....

Seconds Later, their fine! I don't get to see how they got out of that. I don't even understand why it was important to have that moment with the train heading toward them if THEIR NOT GOING TO SHOW HOW THEY GOT OUT OF IT. HATED when Voyager and other Tv shows did (and do) this. Sucks that its in a Spidey comic. I guess thats what we get for having a TV writer writing this issue though.....*sigh*

Ok, I realize that might be a bit nitpicky, but it really stood out for me and took me out of, what to that point, had been an interesting issue. Stuff like this should just be avoided...

I do like how Pete says " Is your name MJ? " or something like that. At least he's not written stupid...lol.

The bit with Harry, Pete, and the gang was OK. Nothing special there.

Spidey following Menaces (I like the Grey Goblin name better...) trail was neat.

We get another quick cut, but this one isn't quite as jarring. Then Pete run into Jackpot again and someone show up to arrest Spidey...hmm. I think having Menace at the end of the issue would have been better...lol.

Anyway, sorry for the synopsis there. I just wanted to show how I do have mixed feeling about this issue. Some of it is really good, while other things are...er...OK. Expect for that train thing. Grrrrr..

So will I read next issue? I guess. I'm not sure. I am interested in seeing Menace and finding out who he is (and maybe who Jackpot is), but I don't know...I guess I'll get it. Some of it is interesting.

I swear though...if Menace turns out to be Harry Osborn...I'm gone. That would just be beyond lame (by the same token, I'm not sure I'd want it to be the head of the DB, like someone else said). Also if Jackpot isn't MJ and they don't have a good person/reason for it not being her....gone.

I want to be suprised here. I really, really, really, really, REALLY want this book to be the best book I'm reading. So far, its not though...

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