MJ should have taken the bullet...

[Chino]

I don't know about the rest of you, but if MJ had taken the bullet and died, like for real dead.forever. We'd still get the single Peter that Marvel is forcing on us and there would be no need for this massive retcon.
Im not saying a single Peter is any better than a married one, but anything less than a retcon of the last 20 years is better.

Hell, that could be the basis for the next 20 years of Spider-Man stories. Aunt May is far more important to Spider-Man than MJ is. MJs role could be experimented with and ultimately filled. Aunt Mays not so much...

They already brought the goblin back, maybe he should have been the one to kill MJ..../siiiiiiiigh

[ZT4]

They tried killing her off once, it didnt work. Besides, it would make the character look far too tragic. He'd be shitting out black coustumes for years.

[Billy Parker]

"Baggage." People don't want Peter crying over dead MJ for years & years & years & years. They did it right with OMD.

[spiderman_rj]

They tried killing her off once, it didnt work. Besides, it would make the character look far too tragic. He'd be shitting out black coustumes for years.


how come?

we had betty brother killed,she made a widow,we had dewolf murdered cold blood (luckyly for youngsters of that time,the art wasnt as detailed as today),we had a lot of people related or close to peter killed during the years,what so special about having his wife killed,and no im not talking as a anti marriage guy as you are problaly sighting now,just making a question.

it would be just like gwen but now mj,he will go on rage,eventually acept it,but she would always be his true love,and gwen would problably be forever forgotten of the books.

it would be fun tough see spider man mad,it would take the avengers to take him down.

[ZT4]

"Baggage." People don't want Peter crying over dead MJ for years & years & years & years. They did it right with OMD.


:rolleyes:

Suuuuure they did...

[spiderman_rj]

"Baggage." People don't want Peter crying over dead MJ for years & years & years & years. They did it right with OMD.

same deal with gwen,with the time it would be forgotten

[TheAmazingSpidey]

...B-but I LIKE MJ.

[Dark Soul # 7]

how come?

we had betty brother killed,she made a widow,we had dewolf murdered cold blood (luckyly for youngsters of that time,the art wasnt as detailed as today),we had a lot of people related or close to peter killed during the years,what so special about having his wife killed,and no im not talking as a anti marriage guy as you are problaly sighting now,just making a question.

it would be just like gwen but now mj,he will go on rage,eventually acept it,but she would always be his true love,and gwen would problably be forever forgotten of the books.

it would be fun tough see spider man mad,it would take the avengers to take him down.There's an easy answer to that.

Mary Jane is more important to Peter than all those people combined.:p

[Dark Soul # 7]

...B-but I LIKE MJ. So do I.

Say it loud, say it proud and ignore the haters.

I love the Mary Jane Watson Parker of pre OMD 616 Marvel! And I love the Spider-man marriage!

[ZT4]

Sorry about that, I just corrected who I was addressing

it would be just like gwen but now mj,he will go on rage,eventually acept it,but she would always be his true love,and gwen would problably be forever forgotten of the books.

I dont agree with you on virtually anything, but you're right about Gwen, she is an absolute footnote in Marvel's history and she's alien to new audiences. She's a good tragic story to tell, but that's it. It's her tragedy that makes her memorable, but take that away and she was someone you'd beg Peter to see for what she was, a really possesive bitch. It took years for Peter to finally admit MJ handled things better than Gwen.

Two loves of Peter's life shouldnt go out the same way (violently), it wouldnt just make Peter single, it'd make him Batman, a permanent social recluse buried in his life as a coustumed adventurer.

...Fringe benefits being all of his supporting cast become Avengers...:D

[Noronha]

how come?

we had betty brother killed,she made a widow,we had dewolf murdered cold blood (luckyly for youngsters of that time,the art wasnt as detailed as today),we had a lot of people related or close to peter killed during the years,what so special about having his wife killed,and no im not talking as a anti marriage guy as you are problaly sighting now,just making a question.

it would be just like gwen but now mj,he will go on rage,eventually acept it,but she would always be his true love,and gwen would problably be forever forgotten of the books.

it would be fun tough see spider man mad,it would take the avengers to take him down.

If you take a closer look the answer is in your own question.
Too many people around Peter dying.To much baggage

[mikekerr3]

"Baggage." People don't want Peter crying over dead MJ for years & years & years & years. They did it right with OMD.

That only works if you don't consider mangled continuity and a deal with the Devil baggage. They will be years trying fix continuity

[Noronha]

It would´ve made much more sense if it were MJ that took the bullet and Mephisto showed up and said:
"Give me your marriage and i´ll heal her".

[Billy Parker]

That only works if you don't consider mangled continuity and a deal with the Devil baggage.

Only fanboys would consider that baggage. PWND!

[Matt Linton]

So do I.

Say it loud, say it proud and ignore the haters.

I love the Mary Jane Watson Parker of pre OMD 616 Marvel! And I love the Spider-man marriage!

I love the Mary Jane Watson of pre Marriage 616 Marvel! And I love cake!

[Matt Linton]

It would´ve made much more sense if it were MJ that took the bullet and Mephisto showed up and said:
"Give me your marriage and i´ll heal her".

I agree with this.

[OptimusPrime114]

To whoever posted this thread: ARE YOU ON CRACK?!

[Nefarius]

It would´ve made much more sense if it were MJ that took the bullet and Mephisto showed up and said:
"Give me your marriage and i´ll heal her".

It would be more logic.

[rZi]

"Baggage." People don't want Peter crying over dead MJ for years & years & years & years. They did it right with OMD.

you kidding me?! Peter does nothing but cry about his uncle ben and captain stacy and gwen, this would be no different.

The reason they didn't kill her was the following:

It would make peter a widow - this would age him acording to Quesada

Too many cast members have died already

[Chino]

To whoever posted this thread: ARE YOU ON CRACK?!

No, im not on crack but seriously...why not? if anything that way we dont have to read this stuff and pretend we dont know that mj will obviously eventually be back. joeQ made it pretty obvious. hes pretty much spoiled the drama element he wants to bring back so badly. pete will have some new gfs for now only to end up back with mj...OH THE DRAMA!! :rolleyes:

oh well..i love the character too much to give it up. guess ill just swallow the crap and try to enjoy it on the way down.

so pretty much, joeq the drama queen wants to take a break and see other ppl. all the while keeping me on a short leash for the eventual reunion...sounds like my ex.

[ZT4]

I agree on this. They even telegraphed it with the angel telling Peter point blank, no matter what, they would be married and have children. Throw in Joe's obvious "nothing will keep them apart", and all you've got is Spider-Pimp and the comedy element of the character heading towards an inevitable romance again. Only this time there both supeheroes, which is dumber and more insulting to both characters who were praised for being "real"

PWND!

...What age are you?

[Chino]

I agree on this. They even telegraphed it with the angel telling Peter point blank, no matter what, they would be married and have children. Throw in Joe's obvious "nothing will keep them apart", and all you've got is Spider-Pimp and the comedy element of the character heading towards an inevitable romance again. Only this time there both supeheroes, which is dumber and more insulting to both characters who were praised for being "real"



...What age are you?

The Amazing Spider-Pimp and his Amazing friends! (some of wich are back from the dead!) LOL

you know, JoeQ almost convinces me in that interview he had with cbr. then i look over at my shelf and see "The Ultimate Spider-Man". then i proceed to shed a tear or two...

oh well, its all good fun i guess. after all its a comic book. maybe, just maybe once its all sunk in this might lead to some fun stories.

[DaeJi]

I agree with anything that doesn't ruin 20 years of continuity and make Peter look like a selfish man-child of a jackass. I liked the marriage, and I think a single Peter is a step backwards, but I would be fine with them ending it if they did it in a way that didn't make Spider-Man an unreadable mess (and those continuity @#$% ups are going come around and bite them in the butt, hard).

[Chino]

i guess the worst part is the way they did it.

if she must live, the just divorce them. nevermind aging him...30s the new 20 right. whos to say hes even hit 30 yet...they got married young..idk.im sure divorced ppl have social lives...we dont want a 17 year old peter again right? thats what ultimate is for.

aunt may gets shots> pete goes emo (back in black)> mj cant handle it anymore and leaves him but still loves him = single spidey, may alive, mj alive and still around = drama + no stupid deals with the devil that brings everyone involved out of character and no (spoiled) obvious conclusion of peter and mj happily ever after.

[Shade 20x6]

It would´ve made much more sense if it were MJ that took the bullet and Mephisto showed up and said:
"Give me your marriage and i´ll heal her".

I've been saying this from the beginning. Would have made a hell of a lot more sense and pissed off a hell of a lot fewer people.

"House of ideas" my ass. :rolleyes:

[Noronha]

you kidding me?! Peter does nothing but cry about his uncle ben and captain stacy and gwen, this would be no different.


Really?
Uncle Ben yes,but it´s the defining moment on Spider-Man´s mythology,there´s the bite and there´s the mistake.

Capt.Stacy?
It wasn´t until Lee Weeks brilliant "Death and Destiny" that the real impact of Capt Stacy´s death was shown and properly explored.

Gwen?
It´s nowadays more than ever with writers repeatedly doing the bridge scene over and over again.
Him crying about her?You know that besides Peter graduating high school there was only another period in which time actually advanced.
Gerry Conway advanced exactly 2 years so that he could get over Gwen´s death without making Peter whining and crying all the time.

But that was in the old days,when they told a story and moved on.
Nowadays if they killed MJ we would be reading probably 2 years of stories exploring the impact that here death had and Peter whining.

[Leocomix]

Too many people have died around him already.

The death of the love of his life has already been done.

The death of MJ has already been done.

With all the complaints that BND isn't new, bla bla bla, imagine what it would be to have had such a cliched plot. At least deal with the devil and 20 years retcon is unheard of in Marvel history.

[Billy Parker]

...What age are you?

Old enough to know you's a chump! PWND!

[darksaint124]

Too many people have died around him already.

The death of the love of his life has already been done.

The death of MJ has already been done.

With all the complaints that BND isn't new, bla bla bla, imagine what it would be to have had such a cliched plot. At least deal with the devil and 20 years retcon is unheard of in Marvel history.

So, when Norman was supposed to be dead and wasn't how much history did that mess with???

When Jean 'wasn't' the Dark Phoenix and ended up at the bottom of the Hudson how much history did that mess with???

If they wanted to break them up a plot was established for that in HoM. If they wanted the magic crap use Loki. And for your thoughts about cliches what in BND isn't a cliche??

Old enough to know you's a chump! PWND!

Your still doing this. Grow up fam, what's the point of trying to get people riled up over the internet.

[spiderman_rj]

Old enough to know you's a chump! PWND!

seconded .

[doctorimpossible]

What's with everyone taking bullets lately anyways.

[hmnut73]

With all the complaints that BND isn't new, bla bla bla, imagine what it would be to have had such a cliched plot. At least deal with the devil and 20 years retcon is unheard of in Marvel history.

The idea of Peter having sex with a donkey is unheard of.

Just because an idea is orignal does not mean it is good.

[Billy Parker]

seconded .

ZT4, you got double PWND!

[DaeJi]

ZT4, you got double PWND!

You used the "word" pwnd. It's like the losing side of a war holding a victory party. Except you don't even have a party. Sorry mate, you owned yourself.

[Leocomix]

The idea of Peter having sex with a donkey is unheard of.

Just because an idea is orignal does not mean it is good.

Not what I was saying. I think OMD was good by the way. It's just that the "not new" complaints are rather shallow. There's a lot of new things to be found in OMD/BND if you're not set in the thinking that you have to hate it. I'm really glad I approached this with an open mind and feel sorry for those who can't see past their own prejudices.

[Billy Parker]

Not what I was saying. I think OMD was good by the way. It's just that the "not new" complaints are rather shallow. There's a lot of new things to be found in OMD/BND if you're not set in the thinking that you have to hate it. I'm really glad I approached this with an open mind and feel sorry for those who can't see past their own prejudices.

Exactly. Right on.

[spiderman_rj]

You used the "word" pwnd. It's like the losing side of a war holding a victory party. Except you don't even have a party. Sorry mate, you owned yourself.

the fact that you even bothered to reply to his immature coment,makes you owned instead.not that i care,really.

own ,pwn its just silly as the use of lame and sweet.

[Dj0rel]

It would´ve made much more sense if it were MJ that took the bullet and Mephisto showed up and said:
"Give me your marriage and i´ll heal her".

And replace Mephisto with Loki, because why would Mehisto bother to heal MJ if he wanted marriage gone.

[TF_loki]

And replace Mephisto with Loki, because why would Mehisto bother to heal MJ if he wanted marriage gone.


Loki was out of play at the time.

[darksaint124]

Loki was out of play at the time.

For a week.:D

[Noronha]

Loki was out of play at the time.

And mephisto was out of play since 1986

[darksaint124]

And mephisto was out of play since 1986

Loki was in Thor literally the week after OMD ended.

[Noronha]

Loki was in Thor literally the week after OMD ended.

Spider-Man still wears his black costume in New Avengers.

[kcaroli]

Not only was Loki back the week after the final issue of OMD but his deal with Doom suggests he was already consciouss within his human host prior to tricking Thor into freeing the 'unwanted' returnees of the 9 worlds. lt was Straczynski writing both stories as well as the one from which the favor derived.
l could see some variation on the Kingpin's plot leading Peter to call in Loki's favor to reverse the unmasking which had lead to the shots being fired. Then, being the typical trickster that he is Loki did it too literally and everyone forgot he was Spiderman but Peter. Not having Known his secret all along MJ was never as interested in Peter and more easilly brushed off so they were freinds yet never married. But even this would be a majic retcon with massive continuity complications. That would still be true even were it merely a memory wipe with alterred memories implanted.
lt wouldn't have brought Harry back nor rebuilt Aunt May's house but OMD fails to explain that either. As a what if it might've been interesting or a story arc wit a definite ending in mind.
While simply killing MJ would be a repeat of what happenned to Gwen or her own apparent death in the plane crash it migh've been dramatic were she wounded trying to save Peter or May. That could still lead to a deal with Mephisto or calling in Loki's favor.Peter could've merely asked that she be healed by Loki then, feelng responsible he decided to give her up for her own good. She would have to forget their marriage or she would not go along with it and everyone else would need to forget it too. Unfortunately, it leaves us with a grieving pining Peter. He cannot forget, in this case, or he'd make the same mistake again. But it would make any future romance awkward even if his resove weakenned and he started dating again. The mystery of Harry , Aunt May's house and reversin the unmasking would still need seperate resolution.
lf divorce and death for MJ are out because they 'age' Peter and leave him in the wrong mental state l guess there's not much left but some sort of magic fix. Yet, there's almost no way to avoid a continuity mess using one unless the deal/favor/spell has dozens of codacils. lt's sad and annoying that tis was the ultimate goal and they planned it for roughly two years and OMD WAS THE BEST THEY COULD COME UP WITH. The temptation to toss in as many complications felt to be otherwise undoable because they were to be reversed used up time that could've been better spent tryin to achieve this status quo in a more rational way instead of a quick sloppy fix.Even at that the thing was full of delays. After all that supposed planning they couldn't even put it out on time.
Much as l hate the new status quo it would've been more palatable had Peter been tricked into a result he failed to anticipate or were it achieved by a noble if possibly shortsighted sacrifice on Peter's part, whoever he made the deal with [or got the favor from.]

[Crimson]

I don't know about the rest of you, but if MJ had taken the bullet and died, like for real dead.forever. We'd still get the single Peter that Marvel is forcing on us and there would be no need for this massive retcon.
Im not saying a single Peter is any better than a married one, but anything less than a retcon of the last 20 years is better.

Hell, that could be the basis for the next 20 years of Spider-Man stories. Aunt May is far more important to Spider-Man than MJ is. MJs role could be experimented with and ultimately filled. Aunt Mays not so much...

They already brought the goblin back, maybe he should have been the one to kill MJ..../siiiiiiiigh

Nah. I'd argue that time MJ died was the worst period in Spider-Man History, bar none.

All he did was talk about how he didn't believe his wife was dead and then when he did... how much he missed her.

Fair enough, thats expected but it was terrible to read. When they did try and move him on, his friends just ended up looking like tools, saying it had been months since MJ died so it was time he started dating.

Death wasn't the answer. It's to depressing for Spider-Man, for Daredevil it would work.

[marshal99]

MJ take the bullet ?

Why must Michael Jackson take the bullet ? He's not molested any child recently as far as i know. :p

[Alan2099]

MJ take the bullet ?

Why must Michael Jackson take the bullet ? He's not molested any child recently as far as i know. :p

He wasn't married to Spider-man either.


... at least, I don't think he was. To be fair, I don't read Ultimate titles though so manybe that's where it comes from. ;)