How would you change BND??

[Berkey]

I was thinking about how much people dislike BND and the dirtection spiderman Is heading so I got to wondering, how would I change the situation the title is in right now? How would Marvel be able to save the sales of the title by coming up with a new idea. Here’s my theory:

I would make the next three or four issues as they were with Spiderman fighting bad guys and such and then I would have Aunt May die, not by a bullet or anything, but rather old age. Then I would have a dramatic scene where Aunt May says she’s enjoyed her life, but was always disappointed that Peter never got married and happy in her lifetime, making Peter very sad that he feels he has let her down in a sense, knowing that she would have been happier dying knowing that Peter was happy rather the opposite.
The Next Issue I would have Peter awake from a nightmare (being the last few issues of BND it was all a dream) the night he and MJ were to meet Mephisto. Peter would tell MJ that he knows deep in his soul that Aunt May would rather die knowing Peter was happy, then being alone and explains that she would eventually die. Knowing that he would eventually have to let her go at some point and that to finally let May be at peace knowing her “son” was going to live his life the way he wants to happily they choose to stay together.

That’s my idea to retcon the retconning what’s your idea?

[DeadXMan]

it only been three issues and it has barly scratched the surface.

For the love of Kirby people We had to wait years for Jean to return:rolleyes:

[Mister Mets]

I'd have made many changes to OMD.

But I like where BND is going. I'd build up to revisiting the OMD world in Amazing Spider-Man #600, which would Peter Parker get his memories restored (if the fans demand it, the marriage would be restored soon after that, though that's a different matter), but it's too early to say what I'd change in the new status quo that has existed for one decent three part storyline.

[cerebralshrike]

Killing May right off the bat would not help things. It would just turn it into Ghost Rider...again, involving Mephisto.

Plus, she can't die of old age here cause she's much younger. At least she appears to be.

[spiderman_rj]

have mj be hit by truck,that catches fire,and horrible disfigure her while giving her also aminisea from the shock,her documents are...hummmm..burned too,and no one knows her,she is left at a treating center to never be returned again.

[DeadXMan]

have mj be hit by truck,that catches fire,and horrible disfigure her while giving her also aminisea from the shock,her documents are...hummmm..burned too,and no one knows her,she is left at a treating center to never be returned again.

dude you are so gonna be the ASM writer if I ever get the chance to be EiC

[Teh m0nk3y]

have mj be hit by truck,that catches fire,and horrible disfigure her while giving her also aminisea from the shock,her documents are...hummmm..burned too,and no one knows her,she is left at a treating center to never be returned again.

That sounds eerily familiar to a certain soap-opera from the late 80's...

[Berkey]

have mj be hit by truck,that catches fire,and horrible disfigure her while giving her also aminisea from the shock,her documents are...hummmm..burned too,and no one knows her,she is left at a treating center to never be returned again.

I said the best way to piss everyone off would show May hit by a car driven by MJ with Irony on the license plate.:evilsmile

[spiderman_rj]

dude you are so gonna be the ASM writer if I ever get the chance to be EiC

only if i am alowed to ilustrate my stories

[DeadXMan]

only ifyou woun't get as big of head as Jim Lee and company did in the 90's

[MaxofSteel]

I'd at least have Spidey's identity still be publicly revealed in some way. I just don't get the rationale of having a status quo change as big as that, just to retcon it a short time later.

[spiderman_rj]

I'd at least have Spidey's identity still be publicly revealed in some way. I just don't get the rationale of having a status quo change as big as that, just to retcon it a short time later.

becouse it was stupid,and completely unecessary,there were other great moments for him to do such,and he didnt,the unmasking was lame,and merely to grab attention to civil war.



@ deadx ,you lost me there, what you mean

[MaxofSteel]

and merely to grab attention to civil war.

That may be true, but I personally thought it was an interesting opportunity for a change in storytelling.

Besides, one of the Avengers Initiative issues had already shown Peter's secret identity being put into doubt.

[matthewaos]

MJ has kept her memories and she is searching the MU to find someone who can help. She finds the Scrier (If I remember right, the Scriers believed in a mystical Scrier who may or may not exist. JDM used a mystical Scrier in Silver Surfer I think), and he is pissed because Meph erased his cult from existance (he was not influenced by the spell). Kaine was in Limbo, by Osborn's men, where the Scrier found him and brought him in the BND world. Kaine finds Peter but Pete does not recognize him because the clone saga did not happen. Slowly people are learning the truth, such as Harry and Norman and the whole thing goes back to normal. Meph was trying to establish his spell by disfiguring the timeline step by step (meaning all the continuity mistakes that happened after the reboot was Meph's messing with people's minds a bit).

When the real world is back, MJ and Pete separate, or no, who cares?

[Teh m0nk3y]

becouse it was stupid,and completely unecessary,there were other great moments for him to do such,and he didnt,the unmasking was lame,and merely to grab attention to civil war.



@ deadx ,you lost me there, what you mean

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[spiderman_rj]

That may be true, but I personally thought it was an interesting opportunity for a change in storytelling.
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no there wasnt,and becouse of what i said,it was only for attention,if they really wanted to use it,we would have seen the reactions of the suporting cast, i mean, if urich knew,so should rob,or at least confirm in some way that he and cap stacy always suspected,especially with rob always watching over for peter on bugle,we should had seen betty reaction, or liz,this two ladies would had generated a lot of good oportunity,the love of her life was killed becouse of the her first love,how would she deal with that? or liz that had a crush on peter in high school,how would she face that peter was spiderman responsible for her husband death,but also a great friend always there for harry ?!? so many possibilities and none used !!!

and JJJ reaction was the purest crap EVER,they had better not done it at all,i simple ignore that,and with BND hopefully its banned forever !!
in my opinion jameson reaction would be to apologize to peter for all the trouble he has done,as has been shown,his hatred for spiderman is pure jelously,and he cares for peter,having him sue peter for the pictures was a little stretched but not beyond reason,and could work,after all in a sense,peter did, forge them,and he values the credibility of his newspaper,so he would problably just fire peter,wich for me would be aceptible.

my other theory would be that after the retraction he would just resign from the bugle,and secretly meet peter in spider suit,ask him to unmask and apologize to the kid and give his true reason why he always hated spiderman,that would be touching.

[Matt Linton]

That may be true, but I personally thought it was an interesting opportunity for a change in storytelling.

Besides, one of the Avengers Initiative issues had already shown Peter's secret identity being put into doubt.

Having it in doubt, but still suspected, has pretty much already been done in Daredevil (much like the "go after the Kingpin, give him a public beatdown, and tell him that if he comes after you again you'll finish him for good" storyline was already done in Daredevil). The problem with the unmasking was that it was always going to be a finite story, and they'd have to put things back at the end of it. You can only change so much about Spider-Man (move away from home, finish school, get married, reveal his identity) before he becomes a very different character than the one that became popular in the first place, and the one the general public knows.

[Matt Linton]

no there wasnt,and becouse of what i said,it was only for attention,if they really wanted to use it,we would have seen the reactions of the suporting cast, i mean, if urich knew,so should rob,or at least confirm in some way that he and cap stacy always suspected,especially with rob always watching over for peter on bugle,we should had seen betty reaction, or liz,this two ladies would had generated a lot of good oportunity,the love of her life was killed becouse of the her first love,how would she deal with that? or liz that had a crush on peter in high school,how would she face that peter was spiderman responsible for her husband death,but also a great friend always there for harry ?!? so many possibilities and none used !!!

and JJJ reaction was the purest crap EVER,they had better not done it at all,i simple ignore that,and with BND hopefully its banned forever !!
in my opinion jameson reaction would be to apologize to peter for all the trouble he has done,as has been shown,his hatred for spiderman is pure jelously,and he cares for peter,having him sue peter for the pictures was a little stretched but not beyond reason,and could work,after all in a sense,peter did, forge them,and he values the credibility of his newspaper,so he would problably just fire peter,wich for me would be aceptible.

my other theory would be that after the retraction he would just resign from the bugle,and secretly meet peter in spider suit,ask him to unmask and apologize to the kid and give his true reason why he always hated spiderman,that would be touching.

A lot of those reactions were shown in Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man.

[spiderman_rj]

did they showed betty reaction? liz ? flash ? anyone who knew him ?
all i remember was jjj,oh an debra who help wrote a book,sth i believe she would never done.

[Matt Linton]

They showed Betty and Flash reacting to it, along with Jonah and Debra. They didn't show Liz.

[HaroldAllnut]

Y'know... I hate to sound super-jerkish here... I'm a Spider-fan... Those first three issues just didn't ring quite true enough.

I'd make it so that Aunt May died because she wanted Peter to be happy and so now he's walking around with a public ID, a dead aunt, and a sort of, tenuously happy marriage. That'd give Spidey some gravitas. None of this it never happened stuff. It just hurts my heart.

[Winter Bolt]

I'd of screwed it up this way knowing what I knew and know now after the 666 universe deal.

1. Everything occurs up to BND with the deal with Mephisto.
2. I would let BND run for about 6 months or a year to get all the slap happy retcon disco stories out. Let the writers have a ball or whatever, it's already messed up... doesn't bother me.
3. I would keep black suit Spider-Man on NA without future refrences
4. I would introduce Loki running into Pete, opening Pete's eye's to show him what a selfish person he's been. Then Loki would say Pete's Happiness and life is his when the time comes and provides proof in the court of the Tribunal... yada yada... makes Meph mad but Loki is in it just for that reason.
5. Pete wakes up in May's house, MJ is there, MJ remembers nothing and tells him May wants to see him. May is bedridden, Peter finds out she stabalized and came out of her coma 2 or 3 whatever months ago and he has to live with what he's done and grow the hell up. His identity is still unknown to everyone... maybe. Maybe even unknown to May and MJ.
6. The NA Spidey turns out to be Ben Reilly and it turned out he was the one who unmasked, some deal where if Mepho got to keep Harry, Loki had to chose Reilly to fix that whole damn mess Pete made.
7. And no Jackpot bs.

That's how I envision fixing BND. Marvel needs to "What if... Loki set things right?" and restore the 616. Add Wade Wilson in there, some fourth wall shenanigans, and heck, I'd even bring back Gwen Stacey as thee only one who knows his identity, have Pete divorce MJ to keep his identity a secret, and then I'd have all the old characters slumming it. That... is how I would screw with the 616. Then for the coup de gracie, at some boarding school and we see this little redhead talking to someone on the phone all happy, and we find out a year later it's Uncle Ben who gained custody of her through some unknown man! Ooo scary! And he keeps her safe. I could screw with the story more, but hey, we don't want any grown up stories at all. Or stories that may make sense. That stuff is outlawed and anti-magical!

[spiderman_rj]

They showed Betty and Flash reacting to it, along with Jonah and Debra. They didn't show Liz.

hmmmmm i dont remember seeing betty reaction,what happened ?

[Matt Linton]

I haven't read those issues since they came out, but I remember she played a pretty big part in the Debra Whitman storyline, and later in the Flash Thompson/Spider-Creature issues.

Probably the best part of PAD's run was his attempt to really use Peter's supporting cast, at a time when no one else really was.

[matthewaos]

And he did the issue with JJJ, something no one else thought of did. This was huge, it should be covered in ASM, imo. But hopefully we got David to do it!

[darksaint124]

no there wasnt,and becouse of what i said,it was only for attention,if they really wanted to use it,we would have seen the reactions of the suporting cast, i mean, if urich knew,so should rob,or at least confirm in some way that he and cap stacy always suspected,especially with rob always watching over for peter on bugle,we should had seen betty reaction, or liz,this two ladies would had generated a lot of good oportunity,the love of her life was killed becouse of the her first love,how would she deal with that? or liz that had a crush on peter in high school,how would she face that peter was spiderman responsible for her husband death,but also a great friend always there for harry ?!? so many possibilities and none used !!!

and JJJ reaction was the purest crap EVER,they had better not done it at all,i simple ignore that,and with BND hopefully its banned forever !!
in my opinion jameson reaction would be to apologize to peter for all the trouble he has done,as has been shown,his hatred for spiderman is pure jelously,and he cares for peter,having him sue peter for the pictures was a little stretched but not beyond reason,and could work,after all in a sense,peter did, forge them,and he values the credibility of his newspaper,so he would problably just fire peter,wich for me would be aceptible.

my other theory would be that after the retraction he would just resign from the bugle,and secretly meet peter in spider suit,ask him to unmask and apologize to the kid and give his true reason why he always hated spiderman,that would be touching.

First off please don't state your opinion as fact. GOOD writers could have made the un-masking work. The thing you seem not to understand is that the un-masking was already going to be undone before we ever saw it in print. And yes, we saw a lot of the reaction that you claim didn't happen in the other Spidey books. The real possibility that was never used that could have caused a rift between Peter and MJ was the events that Pete went through in HoM. And again, WHY wouldn't JJJ react the way he did??? That is completely in character for him. And in case you missed it there was a confrontation when Pete just let him wail on him for a little while and after that Robby made JJJ drop the lawsuit. Do your research before stating things as fact.:p

[Leocomix]

I replace Carlie by Gwen Stacy and Lily by MJ. By the way I don't think there are that many people who dislike BND. Dan Slott said something in an interview about what people say and what they do.

[Red Lotus]

I said this before. In New Avengers 44 we find out that the Spider-man who is in the 616 is a Skrull and the real Spider-man is missing. Spider-man would not appear outside of his own book for 1 year. After that year is up you bring Spider-man back into the 616, but at the same time you can bring some of the good things about BND back with him like Harry, an unmarried Peter and Jackpot.

[darksaint124]

I have not heard anyone say the most obvious thing. I would actually make it NEW.

[ZT4]

I think both Peter and MJ are locked in Skrull stasis-chambers, or better yet, there somewhere I'd rather not reveal in case it's ever pitched, but let's just say in either event, the Peter we have now isnt "our" Peter (and he aint a clone)

[gorthon616]

it only been three issues and it has barly scratched the surface.

For the love of Kirby people We had to wait years for Jean to return:rolleyes:

Mary Jane didn't leave. She just transformed into "Jackpot" :rolleyes:

I'd re-retcon it like this. Aunt May gets injured and goes into a coma. (Mephisto wins, Aunt May doesn't die, but it's just as good... even better) "Jackpot" freaks out and tries to comfort Peter in both normal and superhero personas (jackpot-spidey, mk-peter). Of course, Peter is shaken up, and him and MJ get a little bit closer again. But then Peter starts wondering why MJ is so much MORE broken up than she should be. MJ (who didn't they said has her memories?) tries to explain the situation to Peter... basically outlining OMD and everything they lost. But Peter doesn't believe her "I'D NEVER MAKE A DEAL WITH THE DEVIL!" and says he never wants to talk to MJ ever again. MJ cries because all the sacrifice they did to save Aunt May was wasted. Peter cries because he lost his aunt and swore off the love of his life. Mephisto throws a party. Ghost Rider make a cameo appearance wearing a lampshade on his head.

[Matt Linton]

Mary Jane didn't leave. She just transformed into "Jackpot" :rolleyes:

I'd re-retcon it like this. Aunt May gets injured and goes into a coma. (Mephisto wins, Aunt May doesn't die, but it's just as good... even better) "Jackpot" freaks out and tries to comfort Peter in both normal and superhero personas (jackpot-spidey, mk-peter). Of course, Peter is shaken up, and him and MJ get a little bit closer again. But then Peter starts wondering why MJ is so much MORE broken up than she should be. MJ (who didn't they said has her memories?) tries to explain the situation to Peter... basically outlining OMD and everything they lost. But Peter doesn't believe her "I'D NEVER MAKE A DEAL WITH THE DEVIL!" and says he never wants to talk to MJ ever again. MJ cries because all the sacrifice they did to save Aunt May was wasted. Peter cries because he lost his aunt and swore off the love of his life. Mephisto throws a party. Ghost Rider make a cameo appearance wearing a lampshade on his head.

That would never work.

The lampshade would catch on fire.

[ZT4]

Ghost Lampshade.

[gorthon616]

That would never work.

The lampshade would catch on fire.

It's magic!

[TheAmazingSpidey]

My pitch:

Harry starts to go slowly mad...slowly but surely...

He starts to remember things. Things from the 'past life'--the life where he became the second Green Goblin--had a wife and a son--etc. Then one day, he remembers it all--and how this 'new' earth happened. So he sets out to kill Spider-Man, of course, because he brought this about.

So he becomes the Green Goblin, and sets out to do this. He tells Pete about all this. He soon convinces Pete that what he's talking about isn't crazy. Peter investigates and eventually finds that this is, indeed, the truth. Then Mephisto tells him that it was he who was manipulating Harry, letting him remember. And they go from there...

I dunno, just a rough idea I had in my head a while ago. :confused:

[coryajones]

i like brand new day i wouldn't change anything

[Matt Linton]

It's magic!

If we had an applause smiley over here, you'd be a shoe-in. Well done. :D

[Taniwha]

I'd have made many changes to OMD.

But I like where BND is going. I'd build up to revisiting the OMD world in Amazing Spider-Man #600, which would Peter Parker get his memories restored (if the fans demand it, the marriage would be restored soon after that, though that's a different matter), but it's too early to say what I'd change in the new status quo that has existed for one decent three part storyline.

What would you have changed? Bring back Gwen Stacy? Undo Venom, Carnage, the symbiotes, the black costume, and roll back Spidey to the days when he rode a bicycle and delivered papers?