MERGE: The Civil War / Secret Invasion Connection

[firstmode]

Remember in the Wolverine civil war books, Wolverine hunted down the CEO of Damage Inc. and found out he gave Nitro the powerful Superhero drug and it amplified his powers to do more destruction?

Was he a Skrull? he was instramental in destroying Stamford....

[TotalWorldDomination]

If I recall properly, did'nt he die? and not turn all rib-chinned? I'd wager he was not a skrull.

[Weapon Ick]

I never understood why Damage Control was powering up villians. Was the reason behind that ever revealed?

[Tobias Drake]

I never understood why Damage Control was powering up villians. Was the reason behind that ever revealed?

More power = larger-scale battles = more collateral damage = bigger, more expensive contracts for Damage Control to clean up.

[Beast]

More power = larger-scale battles = more collateral damage = bigger, more expensive contracts for Damage Control to clean up.
Bingo. No Skrull plot required. Just good old American Capitalism. :D

[TotalWorldDomination]

Bingo. No Skrull plot required. Just good old American Capitalism. :D

Hey, at least with capitalism it makes sense. it could have been a communist plot where they were giving away power-upgrade because everyone deserves to have equal powers ;)

[Tobias Drake]

I suddenly feel very ill about Tom Foster working for Damage Control.

[firstmode]

Man, now I have to ask in SPOILER tags:

Spoiler: Who is Tom Foster? End Spoiler

[Tobias Drake]

Man, now I have to ask in SPOILER tags:

Spoiler: Who is Tom Foster? End Spoiler

Bill Foster's nephew. He played a role in World War Hulk and had a lovely character piece in the Aftersmash.

[Expletive Deleted]

I suddenly feel very ill about Tom Foster working for Damage Control.Nah, he's fine. It's McDuffie. I didn't follow the Wolverine storyline, but I'm betting we'll see the old Damage Control stalwarts back at the helm in the new mini.

[StoneGold]

Nah, he's fine. It's McDuffie. I didn't follow the Wolverine storyline, but I'm betting we'll see the old Damage Control stalwarts back at the helm in the new mini.

They were in control by the end of the Wolvie story. Logan gets Mrs. Hoag back in control of DC, then spikes the bad guy.

[Major Danger]

Yep, them dang Skrulls are behind everything. Worse than the damn commies during the 50's. Maybe X-men's Senator Kelly can hold hearings on the matter.

[Monty_Cristo]

They were in control by the end of the Wolvie story. Logan gets Mrs. Hoag back in control of DC, then spikes the bad guy.

Eric O'Grady interviewed with Mrs. Hoag. and, surprisingly, he managed not to mention her weight.

[firstmode]

Why was my Thread title changed???? WHY do mods go around changing thread titles more to THEIR liking. That element makes this whole message board pretty stupid.

[Beast]

Why was my Thread title changed???? WHY do mods go around changing thread titles more to THEIR liking. That element makes this whole message board pretty stupid.
Because your thread title was ambigious, and didn't make it clear what the content was.

[Laughing Mask]

If I recall properly, did'nt he die? and not turn all rib-chinned? I'd wager he was not a skrull.

no. penance is looking for him in Penance: Relentless.

[Firemane]

I think that some of the NW were skrulls

[TotalWorldDomination]

no. penance is looking for him in Penance: Relentless.

I thought that was Nitro, not the old head of Damage Control.

[Sabaition]

I mean, it would explain the sudden retardedness of Starks character. Would also be the perfect cover to allow them to replace other heros and key figures in a world superpower. AND gives them a data bank of EVERY hero's real name and address.

They could systematically and surgically strike everyone at any giving time. Making it that much harder for Earths forces to organize against them...

Just a therory...

[Expletive Deleted]

Marvel has said that Tony Stark is not a Skrull.

Whether you believe them or not is up to you, but that's the official line.

[Sabaition]

Marvel has said that Tony Stark is not a Skrull.

Whether you believe them or not is up to you, but that's the official line.

Until there's a bullet in his head or Reed Richards himself does the test. I beleave nothing... Telling everyone he's a Skull now wouldnt make it a twist later.

But if Reed did then I guess I have to believe it.

[Firemane]

Could there be Dire wraiths involved as well? I know its too much to hope that marvel could be putting THAT much thought into this

[TotalWorldDomination]

Until there's a bullet in his head or Reed Richards himself does the test. I beleave nothing... Telling everyone he's a Skull now wouldnt make it a twist later.

But if Reed did then I guess I have to believe it.

No need to kill them, just cut off there pinky toes. Its an unnecessary body part AND I assume that if something gets cut off it'll go back to being all Skrully.

I think that it was hinted in the notes from the marvel creative summit that someone from the Original Illuminati has been a skrull since the end of the Kree Skrull war... or at least that's what Bendis wanted. They apparently voted on if that person was a skrull and how long they were a skrull. I'd wager the battle was over the soul of Reed Richards.

[Lord S]

I do hope the Skrulls are behind the Civil War...would actually make it interesting...rather than a Civil Bore.

Don't know what to expect with this Skrull Invasion story...but something tells me I'm not going to like it. I hope we see some heavy-hitters show up to join the fight, (ie. Thor, Nova).

[XPac]

I can go either way on the issue of how much blame the Skrulls should have on Civil War.

On one level it is a bit of a cop out. But on the other, Civil War had a LOT of bad characterization and extreme behavior that would actually make more sense if Skrulls were plugged in.

[TotalWorldDomination]

I can go either way on the issue of how much blame the Skrulls should have on Civil War.

On one level it is a bit of a cop out. But on the other, Civil War had a LOT of bad characterization and extreme behavior that would actually make more sense if Skrulls were plugged in.

I think that the Skrulls can't be blamed for the event itself but it's likely that they made it worse. There are a few instances where skrulls could have prolonged the war/made the war worse. Just a few off of the top of my head- Insuring that Clor's "safety" was off, giving cap intell on the Negative Zone Prison and/or the Thor Cloning program, Insuring that Sue Storm (one of my big Skrull candidates) saved the Anti-Reggers and then defected to them, Having Happy Hogan get killed, ect ect

[artist2b]

What's up with Civil War and the skrulls? I just read Keith Giffen's article where at the end he mentions Marvel doing the whole skrull thing to retcon continuity. Are they trying to fix it because of Civil War and make it so nobody remembers anybody's secret identity and the registration act doesn't exist anymore? Have they already started doing that since nobody remembers Spider-man's secret identity anymore? If neither are the case, how long are they going to keep up the registration act? Civil War was an interesting even but I'm not sure about it long term.

[Joe Franklin]

Have they already started doing that since nobody remembers Spider-man's secret identity anymore?

I know in Dan Slott's Avengers Initiative ongoing series, one of the Scarlet Spider clones used the image inducing feature on his armor to change to Spidey's classic costume, so he and Peter Parker could stand right next to each other at the same time, to debunk the notion of Peter being Spiderman.

[Saviors_Tragedy]

by the sounds of it, Marvel is trying to go back on itself by making it that The Civil War happened yet never did which can be confusing to new comers. In this way I think it's kind of a main flaw of Marvel to have all these great ideas for old readers but they practically say "YOU DON'T COUNT" to new readers, especially if new readers what to be part of major events.

[IRONY...]

What's up with Civil War and the skrulls? I just read Keith Giffen's article where at the end he mentions Marvel doing the whole skrull thing to retcon continuity. Are they trying to fix it because of Civil War and make it so nobody remembers anybody's secret identity and the registration act doesn't exist anymore? Have they already started doing that since nobody remembers Spider-man's secret identity anymore? If neither are the case, how long are they going to keep up the registration act? Civil War was an interesting even but I'm not sure about it long term.


So is this retconing years of events the new fashion???

why should they retcon this story?I mean it doesnt hurt anyone that the MU has grown up and became more mature and closer to the original...

Maybe give a pardon to all unregistered and stop the Act...

[XPac]

I think the registration itself (at least in it's present form) was a temporary thing anyways. It was ultimatley too restircting to have half the MU heroes constantly chasing after the other half.

It had to be modified or ignored to allow writers a bit of freedom to do their own thing.

[J Hill]

how long are they going to keep up the registration act?

Im not sure but I do know that Buckey identity is erased from S.H.I.E.L.D. and this was done by Tony himself,

By the looks of it, The S.R.A. is gonna get X'd pretty soon. it's stupid how it played out, great idea but they didnt expand upon it fully enough in my opinion

[jackolover]

Now what would be the whole reason of the intermittent periods between CW, WWH and after? Is it a breeding ground for the Skrulls to run their interference in all the groups, to make the supers become blase' regarding infiltration?

I see those periods of relative calm in the MU, as where the real tactics are being used by the Skrull leadership. Maneuvering different power players like Doom, Namor, and Bolt, and especially the New Avengers. (You can't be sure about Mandarin, in IM books, and now there is some question over Ms Marvel in MA). But there seems to be some kind of strategy, to position the supers into a state of confusion, and the US government in stages of crisis, (and the Cap book illustrates that with the Red Skull, but that maybe just a red herring - who knows what Ed Brubakers involvement will be?).

I can't believe that the Skrulls were the masterminds behind the SHRA and so the Civil War, but if anything was playing right into the hands of an Invasion, then the death of Cap, the fracturing of the Avengers, and the isolation of a section a super heroes is too good to be true for the Skrulls. Coupled together with WWH, Silent War, and Atlantis being destroyed, (with Doom being distracted, little things like the Avengers Initiative and the TBolts being fertile breeding grounds for Skrull infiltration), you have the perfect environment for destabilization of the world. I don't know if Brubaker has planned his stock market collapse in America to coincide with the April launch of the Secret Invasion, but after those Red Skull manipulations of the US economy, there will be a tremendous distraction in the government and in the community, while the heroes try to make some sanity in a world going mad.

[jackolover]

Have we seen Beast going after Charles Xavier yet? I don't follow the X-books much, so I don't know how that pans out. But Charles would be a prime candidate, or even Henry McCoy, for any new candidate Infiltration.

I was thinking, what if the Skrulls had some organisation like Damage Control, only opposite to that. A Crew that went out after major incidents and did clean up, replacing bodies with new Infiltrators.

[rZi]

Have we seen Beast going after Charles Xavier yet? I don't follow the X-books much, so I don't know how that pans out. But Charles would be a prime candidate, or even Henry McCoy, for any new candidate Infiltration.

I was thinking, what if the Skrulls had some organisation like Damage Control, only opposite to that. A Crew that went out after major incidents and did clean up, replacing bodies with new Infiltrators.

Beast is currently looking for Xavier yes, after he got brapped in the head, BLAP BLAP BLAP