How does the whole unmasking thing now work?

[Crimson]

I like doing the whole "No Prize" thing where you create a way to make the story work around certain errors etc. However there is one thing I really can't explain. Joe Q has said that the unmasking happened; he has even said some people remember Spider-Man unmasking but they can't remember who was under the mask.

If that is the case Spider-Man must know he unmasked. If other people know, Peter must know he unmasked... after all, he knows he is Spider-Man. Which begs the question, does he remember the reactions of everyone or has he some how forgotten them.

And if he did just wake up (after the deal with Mephisto) and suddenly had forgotten the reactions of his unmasking but knew that he had indeed unmasked... wouldn't that be a major indication to Peter that someone had messed with his memories?

Shouldn't be Peter be questioning why either he can't remember a major event in his life, while members of the public can... or why only he can remember unmasking and no one else remembers his face?

[rZi]

This is just one of the many big questions that have yet to be answered.

I really can't come up with a logical (does this even apply anymore?) summary:

Peter unmasked

People remember spider-man unmasked but don't remember the face

Do people question this bizzare fact of not remembering his face? They haven't done yet anyway but im sure they will, and that is going to be a real mess i can tell you.

What about all the media coverage? The video footage and images in newspapers , magazines etc? What happens in that respect?

They simply should of ended the marriage and kept him unmasked, there would be far less hassle.

[ZT4]

Every time they try to remember Spidey's face... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)

[Phil Hunn]

This is just one of the many big questions that have yet to be answered.

I really can't come up with a logical (does this even apply anymore?) summary:

Peter unmasked

People remember spider-man unmasked but don't remember the face

Do people question this bizzare fact of not remembering his face?

Not to mention the fact that if he's unlicenced and unregistered (as that idiotic crib-sheet for the new status quo told us within moments of telling us he unmasked during Civil War), why'd he unmask in the first place? I mean, it was being with Tony Stark's group of pro-registration, Black-Goliath-killing, god-clone/cyborg-making thugs that got Spidey to unmask at all - so if he never registered at all, he shouldn't have been on TV and he shouldn't have revealed his identity.

Ugh. It would have been simpler just to say he never unmasked at all... but noooo, that would be too easy...

*facepalms*

[DarKye]

What about all the media coverage? The video footage and images in newspapers , magazines etc? What happens in that respect?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/darkye/Scans/Unmasked.jpg

In any case, it is possible to make some sense out of it. Let's say, Mephisto played with everyone's perception and not only their memories. So even if they try to recall the incident, they only find some sort of blockage making them think about something else. Kind of what happened with The Sentry; Ie, when people tried to remember him, they felt they SHOULDN'T be trying to remember.

But it seems awfully convoluted and an extreme amount of effort for a random deal Mephisto threw in as a "gift".

[darksaint124]

I like doing the whole "No Prize" thing where you create a way to make the story work around certain errors etc. However there is one thing I really can't explain. Joe Q has said that the unmasking happened; he has even said some people remember Spider-Man unmasking but they can't remember who was under the mask.

If that is the case Spider-Man must know he unmasked. If other people know, Peter must know he unmasked... after all, he knows he is Spider-Man. Which begs the question, does he remember the reactions of everyone or has he some how forgotten them.

And if he did just wake up (after the deal with Mephisto) and suddenly had forgotten the reactions of his unmasking but knew that he had indeed unmasked... wouldn't that be a major indication to Peter that someone had messed with his memories?

Shouldn't be Peter be questioning why either he can't remember a major event in his life, while members of the public can... or why only he can remember unmasking and no one else remembers his face?

Get two Advils and prepare for a headache. You cannot understand illogical logic. It's just not possible. If you figure it out I'm sure your brain will explode.:D

[richjb77]

What about all the media coverage? The video footage and images in newspapers , magazines etc? What happens in that respect?





I know what you are saying. I remember in the issue after the unmasking they said that the internet crashed....guess they forgot about that..

And I guess Debroah sampson ( I think) forgot about that tell all book about Peter Parker that she wrote and made millions off of...

Seriously...it makes no sence. Like the Spectacular Spider-man honeymoon issue...Where Peter teamed with Puma to save the world...guess the world ended...and everyone forgot...

pathetic!

[richjb77]

What about all the media coverage? The video footage and images in newspapers , magazines etc? What happens in that respect?





I know what you are saying. I remember in the issue after the unmasking they said that the internet crashed....guess they forgot about that..

And I guess Debroah sampson ( I think) forgot about that tell all book about Peter Parker that she wrote and made millions off of...

Seriously...it makes no sence. Like the Spectacular Spider-man honeymoon issue...Where Peter teamed with Puma to save the world...guess the world ended...and everyone forgot...

pathetic!

[Micro]

Joe Quesada's Answer: "It's Magic we don't have to explain it. Keep reading BRAND NEW DAY!!!"

A logical comic fan trying to make sense of it all answer:
It happened, but no one remebers it. It's because Marvel wants to have their cake and eat it too. Everything that happened up till OMD still happened, it's just everyone thinks it didn't happen that way now. So Peter was still married to MJ, he just doesn't remeber being married to her.

It's like House of M was, everything that happened before still happened, it's just they don't remeber. Because Peter's reality has been altered, he still unmasked, and all those people still somewhat remeber Spiderman unmasking, but don't remeber who was under the mask. I think the way they are trying to make it work, is where someone will one day be like:

Person 1: "Do you remeber when Spiderman unmasked?"

Person 2: "Oh, ya, did that really happen, I thought it was just something I remebered from a dream."

Person 1: "Ya, I mean I thought it happened, atleast I thought I remeber seeing it."

Person 2: "Then who was under the Spiderman mask?"

Person 1: "uumm.. You know, I can't remeber, maybe it was a dream after all."

Person 2: "Then how would I know about it?"

Person 1: "Maybe I told you?"

Person 2: "Ah, ya I guess that's it"

[Jeff-X]

With the amount of superheroes there are in the MU, would a lot of people outside the New Avengers even find it odd they can't remember who Spiderman is?

Do you know the name of every actor in the world? The only reason anyone knew who Spiderman was when he took off the mask was because Peter Parker is a semi-famous person in the MU himself. If he was the guy down the street who did your dry cleaning, would anyone other than people in your neighborhood know who he was, or care if they couldn't remember?

[Phil Hunn]

I know what you are saying. I remember in the issue after the unmasking they said that the internet crashed....guess they forgot about that..

And I guess Debroah sampson ( I think) forgot about that tell all book about Peter Parker that she wrote and made millions off of...

Seriously...it makes no sence. Like the Spectacular Spider-man honeymoon issue...Where Peter teamed with Puma to save the world...guess the world ended...and everyone forgot...

pathetic!

No, no, you see, they still went on holiday together, it's just that they weren't married. That evil wedding ring wasn't on Peter's finger, because he's too young to get married. See? It still works!

Sigh. Stupid retcon.

[Leocomix]

The unmasking doesn't work, obviously. I think even Kurt Busiek won't be able to make sense of that retcon. You can appreciate the new stories for what they are or sell those old stories or keep those you like (a lot of people still appreciate pre-Crisis Superman stories).

[matthewaos]

I like doing the whole "No Prize" thing where you create a way to make the story work around certain errors etc. However there is one thing I really can't explain. Joe Q has said that the unmasking happened; he has even said some people remember Spider-Man unmasking but they can't remember who was under the mask.

If that is the case Spider-Man must know he unmasked. If other people know, Peter must know he unmasked... after all, he knows he is Spider-Man. Which begs the question, does he remember the reactions of everyone or has he some how forgotten them.

And if he did just wake up (after the deal with Mephisto) and suddenly had forgotten the reactions of his unmasking but knew that he had indeed unmasked... wouldn't that be a major indication to Peter that someone had messed with his memories?

Shouldn't be Peter be questioning why either he can't remember a major event in his life, while members of the public can... or why only he can remember unmasking and no one else remembers his face?

*brain melts*

[Phil Hunn]

The unmasking doesn't work, obviously.

Which means that the pivotal point of Civil War never happened. Which means that Captain America should still be alive. Which means that the Initative shouldn't exist. Which means that the New Warriors should be around to kick Stark in the arse. And so on and so forth.

The butterfly effect is in the hizz-ouse, yo.

[Leocomix]

Which means that the pivotal point of Civil War never happened. Which means that Captain America should still be alive. Which means that the Initative shouldn't exist. Which means that the New Warriors should be around to kick Stark in the arse. And so on and so forth.

The butterfly effect is in the hizz-ouse, yo.

You shouldn't have to keep in mind a hundred other storis to appreciate just one, though. That's the problem with continuity heavy universes and the reason why a big sweep is needed regularly.

[Grimm]

You shouldn't have to keep in mind a hundred other storis to appreciate just one, though. That's the problem with continuity heavy universes and the reason why a big sweep is needed regularly.

Did anyone ever tell you, you'd make a fantastic Marvel Editor one day?

[ZT4]

Even Defalco was more on the ball as Editor than any BND fan willing to forsake logic for story. And people wonder why so much crap is on television?

[Leocomix]

Did anyone ever tell you, you'd make a fantastic Marvel Editor one day?

I wouldn't mind actually.

[Leocomix]

Did anyone ever tell you, you'd make a fantastic Marvel Editor one day?

I wouldn't mind actually. I'd have done OMD differently, though even if I liked it the way it was. I'd have tied it with the House of M reality.

[NickThompson]

How did they explain when similar happened with Dr. Strange, Iron Man, Sentry or The Flash?

[xarathos]

How does the whole unmasking thing now work?


It doesn't.:evilsmile

Nothing makes any sense anymore, and you get the idea that the editors don't care if the books that good or not. It's just hype. 'Oh, we got a new writer next month.':mad:

The Unmasking? That was the end.