DEATH OF THE NEW GODS #5 (Spoilers!)

[Sean Walsh]

Finally, we see how the death of the New Gods is truly fused to the spine of COUNTDOWN and the current DCU.

The Source is the being responsible killing off the New Gods, thru an agent (still unnamed, probably Infinity Man), mainly because it is displeased with how the New Gods have divided between good and evil, and also with New Genesis' persecution of the Bugs.

The Source was split by the Old Gods (Zeus, Odin and one other) into a "yin" and "yang" - yin being the Source, this little orb Metron met at the end of #4, and yang being Anti-Life.....which eventually took the form of the Anti-Life Entity. The Source claims responsibility for the end of the Third World (aka Ragnarok: "There came a time when the Old Gods died...") as "cosmic revenge," moreorless.

The Source's soultaker is killing the New Gods and collecting their essences into the new 2nd Source Wall, in preparation of "starting over" with a Fifth World (that prehistoric planet is the beginning of it).

And the Source has been manipulating basically all of Infinite Crisis (including the Monitors and the 52 Earths) in its endeavor to do away with the Fourth World and created a new Fifth World.

Metron's reaction to all this is quite literally: "ooh, can I watch?" :p

Oh, and Mantis and Kalibak are killed. Scott is convinced it's Orion, and snaps. And poor Superman's stuck in the middle.

[ShaggyB]

nice

Cant wait to get this one today

[crimson red]

can't wait til someone posts spoilers for Countdown #15.
Help out a brother stuck in Germany!

[berk]

Hilarious. Just as I thought, this whole exercise is a cheap excuse to diminish concepts like the Source down to pocket-size, and to degrade the New Gods down to 'the gods that failed.'

Failed to make DC any money that is.

None of which would bother me if they weren't so disgustingly hypocritical about it, continually lavishing praise on Kirby's great visionary creation, then continuing to come out with crap that does everything possible to undermine that vision and dumb it down to the pablum they think the average DCU reader finds palatable. They should all be ashamed of themselves.

[Will.S]

Hilarious. Just as I thought, this whole exercise is a cheap excuse to diminish concepts like the Source down to pocket-size, and to degrade the New Gods down to 'the gods that failed.'

Failed to make DC any money that is.

None of which would bother me if they weren't so disgustingly hypocritical about it, continually lavishing praise on Kirby's great visionary creation, then continuing to come out with crap that does everything possible to undermine that vision and dumb it down to the pablum they think the average DCU reader finds palatable. They should all be ashamed of themselves.
I'm sorry that everyone can't be Jack Kirby.

:rolleyes:

[Samuraixsithlord]

Any Darkseid time, are his plans further revealed and did any other New Gods die besides Mantis and Kalibak

[bfrank]

1. I wish some one would make up their mind, and make it stick: During Byrne's run on the New Gods, and Wonder Woman, and sorry to remind you, but that god awful Genesis mini, it was established that the gods of the earth, were created after the New Gods....The birth of the New Gods, lead to the birth of the gods of earth....Now Zeus and Odin are old gods? Again (IIRC)

2. I wonder how this relates to Ray Palmer? Seems to me that the source would want the great disaster to happen.......

[Sean Walsh]

Any Darkseid time, are his plans further revealed and did any other New Gods die besides Mantis and Kalibak

Actually stuff with Darkseid happened in COUNTDOWN -- he and Solomon have been in cahoots somehow, perhaps Solomon has been in on "the game" (their words) all along. And DOTNG ended with Darkseid watching everything that's been happening (with images of COUNTDOWN stuff behind him) stating "The one thing they should have been doing this whole time was watching what *I was doing*..."

Mantis and Kalibak were the only ones.

[Sean Walsh]

1. I wish some one would make up their mind, and make it stick: During Byrne's run on the New Gods, and Wonder Woman, and sorry to remind you, but that god awful Genesis mini, it was established that the gods of the earth, were created after the New Gods....The birth of the New Gods, lead to the birth of the gods of earth....Now Zeus and Odin are old gods? Again (IIRC)

I may've been a bit off in mentioning Zeus. It just looked like him. I think. The Source mentioned the heads of 3 pantheons conspired against it.

But Odin was definitely one of those 3 - and I don't believe the Norse Gods were established to be Earth-created gods. In fact, it's generally assumed that the Old Gods were in fact the Norse Gods (something Byrne flat out said during his run, I thought) with the end of the Third World being Ragnarok.

[raul the cat]

What's up with the Monitor on page 26?

[Buried Alien]

I wasn't holding out too much hope for this series when it began because I've never been a big fan of the Fourth World/New Gods, but I'm sure as heck enjoying this series more and more with every issue. This one, in particular, goes a long way in answering several big questions.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[CYOTI]

Finally, we see how the death of the New Gods is truly fused to the spine of COUNTDOWN and the current DCU.

Metron's reaction to all this is quite literally: "ooh, can I watch?" :p
This is the same Metron who manipulated Krona into rampaging across the omniverse, killing Galactus, merging two universes together and imprisoning their avatars all in an attempt to learn the secrets of creation. Hardly ooc for him.

As for the other stuff, doesnt sound like my cup of tea especially with Starlin's anti-life creature and since Simonson had already established the Ecruos as the shadow of the Source.

[TheORKINMan]

So is the Source the Presence? Or an aspect of the Presence or what? It seems like a pretty effing weak entity for the creator of the Universe.

[Buried Alien]

I don't know if the Source is the Presence, but I do like its "personality" (such as it is). It seems to have a droll sense of humor.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[raul the cat]

Seriously, what's up with that Monitor skulking around New Genesis?

[Froggy]

I remember calling this in a thread before that it was the source

[Gonzalez]

Ha ha ha!!

I called it. Five days ago, I called this like phone sex!

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=6231813&postcount=55

I mean, I didn't perfectly nail it, but my God. Damn, I'm good.

*jump back... wanna kiss mysef*

[Go Go]

This revelation that the source is behind the death of the New Gods really only confused me. Truth be told, the concept of the Source was never something I really grasped, so the fact that it's now a seperate entity responsible for the New Gods deaths is kind of... underwhelming? I liked the idea that it was just a very powerful Impossible Man or whomever running around.

The whole yin and yang thing being responsible for Crisis and other DC crossover events makes convoluted history even more convoluted now.

I do enjoy the overall plot outside of the Yin Yang Source though.

[Gonzalez]

I think that the "yin-yang" plot thing they're doing now makes sense, because it casts the incredibly naivete of the New Gods' loyalty to the Source -- an entity they know nothing about -- in a whole new light.

[Evan Waters]

It completely contradicts the philosophical underpinnings of the Fourth World, though. The Source represents freedom- the Anti-Life Equation represents tyranny and control. Why is the embodiment of Free Will forcing the death of anything?

[Gonzalez]

It completely contradicts the philosophical underpinnings of the Fourth World, though. The Source represents freedom- the Anti-Life Equation represents tyranny and control. Why is the embodiment of Free Will forcing the death of anything?

Because Dan DiDio wants it that way. And Dan Didio represents tyranny and control much more than even the Anti-Life Equation.

[dupersuper]

I liked the idea that it was just a very powerful Impossible Man or whomever running around.

The whole yin and yang thing being responsible for Crisis and other DC crossover events makes convoluted history even more convoluted now.



I assume you meant Infinity Man, though the thought of a whacky green guy popping around stealing gods souls amuses me. Also, it didn't cause Crisis and Genesis, he just had trouble returning to our dimension due to the cosmic disturbances.

[Sean Walsh]

What's up with the Monitor on page 26?

Another Monitor shows up? I completely missed this. Hee.

[TheORKINMan]

I really liked this series up until this point, the more I've thought about the Source popping up the more retarded this now seems. How can the being that created the universe be a slave to the dimensions of the universe he created? He's supposed to be above universal laws not a part of them. He apparently cannot stop himself from doing things in sequential order because of the laws of time, he also is unable to traverse dimensions. On top of that he's so weak that he can be split in two by his own creations who at the same time are markedly weaker then him.

I'm fine with the Source being behind the deaths, but don't make the Source a floating orb that reminds me more of th wisdom cube from Aqua Teen.

[Sean Walsh]

I really liked this series up until this point, the more I've thought about the Source popping up the more retarded this now seems. How can the being that created the universe be a slave to the dimensions of the universe he created? He's supposed to be above universal laws not a part of them. He apparently cannot stop himself from doing things in sequential order because of the laws of time, he also is unable to traverse dimensions. On top of that he's so weak that he can be split in two by his own creations who at the same time are markedly weaker then him.

If that be-all/end-all entity is damaged by lesser beings that were created to be gods themselves. The idea isn't exactly a new one. Heck, Darkseid's aimed to do it, and come close, a few times himself.

Like the Source said early on, "mistakes were made." So it clearly understands that it's not a perfect being. That would, IMO, explain why it sticks to the laws of time (imagine our God time travelling to correct mistakes...weird, since he has a "plan" and lets things happen) and does not...or rather, cannot (weakened and split it two, remember) traverse dimensions.

[Zeal]

I'm afraid I have to agree that the entire concept of the 'Source' of the DC multiverse being:

1. Governed by pre-existing laws / limited in power
2. Capable of mistakes.
3. Incapable of rectifying those mistakes.
4. Overpowered by its own creations.

...is a bit silly.

Therefore, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that this 'Source' is not in fact the true Source, or Presence, but rather an impostor and/or being manipulated by an even higher power.

It's just all rather.....unbelievable?

[TheORKINMan]

If that be-all/end-all entity is damaged by lesser beings that were created to be gods themselves. The idea isn't exactly a new one. Heck, Darkseid's aimed to do it, and come close, a few times himself.

Like the Source said early on, "mistakes were made." So it clearly understands that it's not a perfect being. That would, IMO, explain why it sticks to the laws of time (imagine our God time travelling to correct mistakes...weird, since he has a "plan" and lets things happen) and does not...or rather, cannot (weakened and split it two, remember) traverse dimensions.

The problem is that "God" would have created time, thus would be outside of it aka omnipresent. So it obeying the laws of time is nonsensical unless the Source would simply be the creator of Gods and not the "God" of the DC Universe aka the Presence.

[NotSuper]

I've always thought that the Presence was just like all the other gods, only with much more power. Kind of like a God-Prime.

[botch]

Hilarious. Just as I thought, this whole exercise is a cheap excuse to diminish concepts like the Source down to pocket-size, and to degrade the New Gods down to 'the gods that failed.'

Failed to make DC any money that is.

None of which would bother me if they weren't so disgustingly hypocritical about it, continually lavishing praise on Kirby's great visionary creation, then continuing to come out with crap that does everything possible to undermine that vision and dumb it down to the pablum they think the average DCU reader finds palatable. They should all be ashamed of themselves.

No way man. the way it plays out is awesome and cosmic. I mean compare it to real beliefs people have, christianity, islam, judaism. all of them. this is far more out there and epic than any of that.

[botch]

I don't know if the Source is the Presence, but I do like its "personality" (such as it is). It seems to have a droll sense of humor.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

Ricky Gervais should voice him.

[botch]

It completely contradicts the philosophical underpinnings of the Fourth World, though. The Source represents freedom- the Anti-Life Equation represents tyranny and control. Why is the embodiment of Free Will forcing the death of anything?

Well it's different now. i mean Christians believe out and out in their beliefs, I mean who knows if one or two aspects of those beliefs are wrong, it changes pretty much everything. I loved this new idea of the source. it's so damn epic.

[botch]

I'm afraid I have to agree that the entire concept of the 'Source' of the DC multiverse being:

1. Governed by pre-existing laws / limited in power
2. Capable of mistakes.
3. Incapable of rectifying those mistakes.
4. Overpowered by its own creations.

...is a bit silly.

Therefore, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that this 'Source' is not in fact the true Source, or Presence, but rather an impostor and/or being manipulated by an even higher power.

It's just all rather.....unbelievable?

Well look at it this way. It's possible he isn't the presence. but more like a partner in the form of the living tribunal. Also look at it metaphysically in this world. We don't know why this reality was created, now apply it to the DCM and The Source is doing things because that's the way it is and the presence just wants it that way, who knows why. This is great stuff.

[botch]

I've always thought that the Presence was just like all the other gods, only with much more power. Kind of like a God-Prime.

Ha God-Prime. Now that is the Ultimate character.

Gonna shot some stuff at Christians and twist their brains saying they aren't thinking right because they don't understand God-Prime.

I guess Gnostics believe in God-Prime, whilst the Christian God is Demiergos.

[Evan Waters]

Well it's different now. i mean Christians believe out and out in their beliefs, I mean who knows if one or two aspects of those beliefs are wrong, it changes pretty much everything. I loved this new idea of the source. it's so damn epic.

Except we're not really talking about an organized belief system- we're talking about a universe that was Jack Kirby's most personal creation and that explicitly reflected his view of the world. It's a world wherein life and freedom and goodness are inextricably linked together, and control is linked to death and evil. To have the Source killing people specifically because they didn't turn out as he wanted them to is missing the point entirely.

[botch]

Except we're not really talking about an organized belief system- we're talking about a universe that was Jack Kirby's most personal creation and that explicitly reflected his view of the world. It's a world wherein life and freedom and goodness are inextricably linked together, and control is linked to death and evil. To have the Source killing people specifically because they didn't turn out as he wanted them to is missing the point entirely.

Same thing, i'm talking the cosmic metaphysical point of view.

[Trolt]

Who was the 3rd unknown god who plotted alongside zues and odin ?

[JCAll]

Who was the 3rd unknown god who plotted alongside zues and odin ?

Very probably Jupiter.
Norse, Greek, Roman.

And it would explain why those 2 looked so much alike.

[JCAll]

I've always thought that the Presence was just like all the other gods, only with much more power. Kind of like a God-Prime.

The Final Crisis is going to be a showdown between Pre-Crisis God and God-Prime :p

[NotSuper]

The Final Crisis is going to be a showdown between Pre-Crisis God and God-Prime :p
Heh. Now that would be funny. :)

Speaking of the Presence, does anyone know if there's only one version of it or are there alternate versions in the different universes? If there are different versions of the Spectre (such as on Earth-22 and Earth-2) then there might very well be different versions of DC's God.

[Spiffy]

(that prehistoric planet is the beginning of it).
No its not.

The prehistoric planet was showing the formation of the OLD GODS. Not the Fifth World ones.

[botch]

Heh. Now that would be funny. :)

Speaking of the Presence, does anyone know if there's only one version of it or are there alternate versions in the different universes? If there are different versions of the Spectre (such as on Earth-22 and Earth-2) then there might very well be different versions of DC's God.

Nah, like the source, there is only one(ohhh wait) but I mean, it's like The One Above All from Marvel. but the one above all is Marvel itself.

[Sean Walsh]

No its not.

The prehistoric planet was showing the formation of the OLD GODS. Not the Fifth World ones.

It looks like the Source is going for a COMPLETE do-over. Remake the 3rd World, let them exist and then eventually pass away into the 4th World, and then let them exist and end in some fashion...........and make way for the 5th World.

Complex, sure, but it might explain how Morrison plans to use the New Gods in FINAL CRISIS regardless of the killings of DOTNG - because they're being recreated anyway in order to arrive at this new 5th World.

[JCAll]

Nah, like the source, there is only one(ohhh wait) but I mean, it's like The One Above All from Marvel. but the one above all is Marvel itself.

I thought the One Above All in Marvel was Jack Kirby.
Which means Marvel's God is gonna be pissed at DC's God for this.

I smell a cross over :p

[botch]

I thought the One Above All in Marvel was Jack Kirby.
Which means Marvel's God is gonna be pissed at DC's God for this.

I smell a cross over :p

Nah. Marvel says it's the company as a whole.

[TheORKINMan]

Anyone else think the guy who is harvesting souls for the Source might be the Black Racer himself?

This is the only death in the comic that Darkseid has specifically drawn attention to at length in his narration. So "The Black Racer" under the control of the source kills Sgt Walker. Points for the Black Racer being the killer:

1.) He was created and commissioned by the Source directly, not by other New Gods.

2.) His killer thanks him for his service before killing him but says Walker couldn't be let loose to interfere. None of the New Gods have been able to lift a finger to stop whoever this killer is, so how exactly would Walker be able to interfere unless he was sharing a body?

3.) In Darkseid's long diatribe over the death of Walker he first says it occured weeks ago, implying that it was the first actual death, and his last comment is "Darkseid noticed your passing, Sgt Walker even if I did not immediately recognize its significance." He calls him Mr Walker, not the Black Racer and again Darkseid is the only one who seems to know entirely wtf is going on.

4.) There seems to be a ton of misdirection going on here as to who the killer is. Whoever it is can assume the form of other people I doubt it will be either Orion OR the Infinity Man. In an interview Starlin said he hated the Black Racer, I've not seen a ton of writers go on in public about how they hate characters that other writer's created. The lady...errr gentleman doth protest too much me thinks! Especially considering how much more dialogue and scenes of the Black Racer's death there were then anyone elses.

5.) The Black Racer never appears as part of the 2nd wall. His armor is left there (and is noticed by Takion shortly before he is killed) but neither the Black Racer nor Walker's images are ever seen as part of the 2nd wall.

[armstrhg]

Ok I want to post my thoughts. I think that the killer is NOT Himon. I believe that the killer though is posing as Himon. In the 2nd or 3rd DOTNG when Takion was killed, he was looking at the source wall and then he says, there above the Black Racer is and... Of course. Then he is killed. I think he saw Himon and realized that the real Himon was dead and that this being has the ability to morph or shape shift. (also i this is one of the reasons why i do not think it is the black racer that is the assassin) It was also stated that this being received added powers from the source in the past, such as extracting souls and using Jimmy as a repository as such. The goal is to store the power in Jimmy to be able to recreate the 5th world (which i think is more than just the new gods, but the whole of the DCU) DC has already stated that DOTNG will lead into final crisis. So posibly the DCU heroes that remain are going to try and prevent or limit this from happening. (Yet another reboot)

[armstrhg]

Anyone else think the guy who is harvesting souls for the Source might be the Black Racer himself?



5.) The Black Racer never appears as part of the 2nd wall. His armor is left there (and is noticed by Takion shortly before he is killed) but neither the Black Racer nor Walker's images are ever seen as part of the 2nd wall.

Go back and read DOTNG #3. After sighting the Black Racer's armor, he states that there are more figures on the side of the wall that he did not see beforehand. There is where you see and Takion sees (as he states) the Black Racer. Really do not think it is him.

[crimson red]

Ok I want to post my thoughts. I think that the killer is NOT Himon. I believe that the killer though is posing as Himon. In the 2nd or 3rd DOTNG when Takion was killed, he was looking at the source wall and then he says, there above the Black Racer is and... Of course. Then he is killed. I think he saw Himon and realized that the real Himon was dead and that this being has the ability to morph or shape shift. (also i this is one of the reasons why i do not think it is the black racer that is the assassin) It was also stated that this being received added powers from the source in the past, such as extracting souls and using Jimmy as a repository as such. The goal is to store the power in Jimmy to be able to recreate the 5th world (which i think is more than just the new gods, but the whole of the DCU) DC has already stated that DOTNG will lead into final crisis. So posibly the DCU heroes that remain are going to try and prevent or limit this from happening. (Yet another reboot)

Since everyone knows by now (from Birds of Prey #109 from October 2007), I'll just tell you that the killer is Infinity Man. Might help to read some older posts instead of posting about something that's been covered a zillion times.

[Slaughter]

Ok I want to post my thoughts. I think that the killer is NOT Himon. I believe that the killer though is posing as Himon. In the 2nd or 3rd DOTNG when Takion was killed, he was looking at the source wall and then he says, there above the Black Racer is and... Of course. Then he is killed. I think he saw Himon and realized that the real Himon was dead and that this being has the ability to morph or shape shift. (also i this is one of the reasons why i do not think it is the black racer that is the assassin) It was also stated that this being received added powers from the source in the past, such as extracting souls and using Jimmy as a repository as such. The goal is to store the power in Jimmy to be able to recreate the 5th world (which i think is more than just the new gods, but the whole of the DCU) DC has already stated that DOTNG will lead into final crisis. So posibly the DCU heroes that remain are going to try and prevent or limit this from happening. (Yet another reboot)

I believe it's Himon, thought it may be someone posing as Himon. The killer was already revealed as being a shape-shifter. Does anybody knows a shape-shifthing New God?

[Captain Jim]

Since everyone knows by now (from Birds of Prey #109 from October 2007), I'll just tell you that the killer is Infinity Man. Might help to read some older posts instead of posting about something that's been covered a zillion times.

Might help to realize that things are not always what they seem and stop taking such a condescending attitude toward others.

[crimson red]

Might help to realize that things are not always what they seem and stop taking such a condescending attitude toward others.


Ok how about, the writers initially planned to have it be the Infinity Man and they were very pissed when BOP revealed who it was way before they wanted to let the cat out of the bag. Supposedly, they altered the storyline to keep people guessing (kinda like armageddon 2001 but to a lesser degree).

[Slaughter]

I don't see why BoP would revel that, after all, it seems the murderer is a Shape-Shifter. If he's a Shape-Shifter, he can look just like he wants to.

[crimson red]

I don't see why BoP would revel that, after all, it seems the murderer is a Shape-Shifter. If he's a Shape-Shifter, he can look just like he wants to.

Maybe that's the change the writers made. Since Infinity Man was let out of the bag too early, they went with "oh darn...let's make it a shape shifter now"...?

[armstrhg]

Maybe that's the change the writers made. Since Infinity Man was let out of the bag too early, they went with "oh darn...let's make it a shape shifter now"...?

I really do not believe all the hype about BoP letting the cat out of the bag. The shapeshifting part has been so integral to the story, I don't think they could have altered the story so much in mid stream (the forever people, possibly Himon and others) I guess some people just rather make rude comments than use their brain to think...

[4thHorseman]

I refuse to believe the whole BOP thing. It seems too much of a red herring that they would just reveal the big baddie who's killing a god in such a small cameo in a book. They wouldn't let something like that get by them considering it's one of the biggest mysteries in the past year.

And wasn't Bedard the one who wrote the issue? The same guy who is also co-writing Countdown? I think he wouldn't make a mistake like that without trying to purposely fool the readers.

[armstrhg]

Plus, I'm thinking that it may be the original Forager who is killing the New Gods. Remeber he "died" fighting the anti life entity. I am wondering if he wasn't some how in the Bleed where he got added powers from the source. Didn't #5 say something about the New Gods being imperfect (from Source's PoV) and also guilty of how they treat the insect people? I wonder if he didn't choose him because of how Orion treated him and his connection with the Anti-Life Entity which could possibly give protection from the Anti Life Equation that Scott used on the Forever people. Though, they really can write this any way they want to...

[carabas]

And wasn't Bedard the one who wrote the issue? The same guy who is also co-writing Countdown? I think he wouldn't make a mistake like that without trying to purposely fool the readers.Seriously? Countdown spoiled what happened to Kyle Rayner months before he got de-Parralaxed, and showed the survival os Superman Prime before the end of the Sinestro war, and there's probably other examples. Countdown is not a book that thinks twice spoiling other books.

Also, even if the killer is not the Infinity Man, he was still in Birds Of Prey. what was he doing there if not killing New Gods?

[armstrhg]

Seriously? Countdown spoiled what happened to Kyle Rayner months before he got de-Parralaxed, and showed the survival os Superman Prime before the end of the Sinestro war, and there's probably other examples. Countdown is not a book that thinks twice spoiling other books.

Also, even if the killer is not the Infinity Man, he was still in Birds Of Prey. what was he doing there if not killing New Gods?

It is true what you said about Countdown in regards to Prime and Rayner, however they didn't really reveal any huge secrets and really only enticed the reader to find out what happened to them. It wasn't like Kyle came out and said, oh yeah, here is how I escaped Parallax, and there was a mystery as to why Prime looked so much older and bigger. That was carefully revealed in Sinestro Corps and then in Countdown. So again it comes back to a shapeshifter, maybe he was like Infinity Man when he killed Knockout (from what I remember you didn't see him clearly) Infinity Man IMO is just too obvious an answer. I think it might even be a let down for me if it does turn out to be him.

P.S. I don't mind anyone who disagrees with me. I like the way you did it as to oppose to the way the last guy did.

[Captain Jim]

Seriously? Countdown spoiled what happened to Kyle Rayner months before he got de-Parralaxed, and showed the survival os Superman Prime before the end of the Sinestro war, and there's probably other examples. Countdown is not a book that thinks twice spoiling other books.

Give me a break. You call revealing the fact that the hero doesn't die a spoiler?

[carabas]

Give me a break. You call revealing the fact that the hero doesn't die a spoiler?No, but revealing that he won't be Parralax for very long, and that he loses the Ion power as well, that is what I call spoiling.

[armstrhg]

No, but revealing that he won't be Parralax for very long, and that he loses the Ion power as well, that is what I call spoiling.

IMO that wasn't a really spoiling. Sodam Yat had already been revealed, and even named as the one who would become the Ultimate Green Lantern. For me, that was kind of a really big hint that he was going to get the Ion power since no one had it at that time.

[armstrhg]

They had already revealed Sodam Yat would be the ultimate Lantern, so I had already assumed he would be getting the Ion power anyway. So IMO that wasn't a big spoiler...

[crimson red]

yeah in your opinion.

[armstrhg]

yeah in your opinion.

Does being a jerk come naturally, or do you practice a lot?

[JBeckett]

I wasn't holding out too much hope for this series when it began because I've never been a big fan of the Fourth World/New Gods, but I'm sure as heck enjoying this series more and more with every issue. This one, in particular, goes a long way in answering several big questions.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

And I would think this story could have been worked into Countdown in some way. With the Source being behind so much, you'd think this would be included there.

[Sean Walsh]

And I would think this story could have been worked into Countdown in some way. With the Source being behind so much, you'd think this would be included there.

We still got 11 issues to go, and Darkseid's just now gathering all the players of his "grand scheme" on Apokolips....

Besides, at least from Darkseid's perspective I don't think he knows about the Source's involvement. We're just seeing his mechanications against his and the Fourth World's impending doom.

[JBeckett]

We still got 11 issues to go, and Darkseid's just now gathering all the players of his "grand scheme" on Apokolips....

Besides, at least from Darkseid's perspective I don't think he knows about the Source's involvement. We're just seeing his mechanications against his and the Fourth World's impending doom.

I'm curious about that. He's usually pretty prepared for things, you know. I feel like he has to know something what with all the Source has had it's hand in. I'll tell you I'm worried about the end of the Fourth World.