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Robo Ape
01-30-2008, 02:35 AM
It would be the obvious one of re-marrying Peter & MJ.

Kage Kisaragi
01-30-2008, 10:12 AM
Decimation Undone.

or

Undoing the idea of the Phoenix entirely, that includes before it ever got its mittens on the Grey family line.

Omega Alpha
01-30-2008, 10:25 AM
Decimation undone. Back to 16 million mutants and growing.

DaeJi
01-30-2008, 10:28 AM
Yeah, OMD/BND and the Phoenix would be the first things on my list. I would also take care of the Scarlet Witch, find a way to save her character. Then the Sentry, give him more defined powers and a more defined standing in the power ranking. And then a Surfer vs. Thor battle, because those are always fun. Bring back New X-Men, A Deadpool book, make Doom the number one villain in the universe where a team and plenty of planning is needed to take him down, bring back Genis and Moondragon, a Quasar book (with Phyla of course), and keep Ironman as the head of S.H.I.E.L.D.

I would change a lot. Though, if I really had to choose just one... undo OMD/BND.

rZi
01-30-2008, 10:34 AM
OMD/BND, Decimination.

MarieCurie
01-30-2008, 10:56 AM
Right now, I would just turn back Moondragon into human form.
(Well Conquest #3 have changed that somehow)

Blader5489
01-30-2008, 10:59 AM
Dead is dead.

DaeJi
01-30-2008, 11:01 AM
Dead is dead.

Personally, with the way death is handled in Marvel, I think they are just better off not killing characters.

Dark Soul # 7
01-30-2008, 12:48 PM
One More Day is undone, not only because the idea of it is stupid as hell but also because the status quo of Peter's identity a secret and no more aunt May is much more appealing if you ask me.

Thor is the one to fight Hulk at the end of WWH. Sentry stays at home.

Pixie_Solanas
01-30-2008, 12:52 PM
50% less clothing on all sexy superheroes and superheroines. Across the board.

Vaal
01-30-2008, 01:00 PM
Wanda never went nuts. All the way back to Disassembled.

Failing that, I'd keep the Ultimate Universe in the Ultimate Universe. We don't need 616's heroes being pricks and borderline villains.

Expletive Deleted
01-30-2008, 01:08 PM
There are a bunch of title's I'd un-cancel.

But if we're just talking story elements, probably "Decimation." I don't feel all that strongly about it, but I much preferred the Morrison-era status quo.

Shellhead
01-30-2008, 01:30 PM
Retcon Sentry out of the 616-Universe. Make it so that his minis transpired in one of the many other realities.

Brian M.
01-30-2008, 01:37 PM
Jean dying and Scott cheating on her w/ Emma.

Keep them alive and together.

Beast
01-30-2008, 01:40 PM
Jean dying and Scott cheating on her w/ Emma.

Keep them alive and together.
Beast putting Emma Frost back together after being shattered. :D

Nefarius
01-30-2008, 01:43 PM
No OMD/BND.It's not only the ending of the marriage with one of the most lazy and silly retcons i've ever seen(making a deal with a demon,how heroic mr Parker:rolleyes: ),they ruined one of the most touching deaths in the history of Spiderman(Harry Osborn).

No more Sentry.He's too powerfull and too DC-like character to stay in 616 universe.Of course,if you can't erase him,just erase the crappy battle between Hulk and Sentry.

Hulk Strongest One
01-30-2008, 04:13 PM
1. Stop with the idiotic ratcheting-up of the ultimate powers. Oh, it's the Beyonder. No, it's the cosmic cubes. No, it's the Infinity Gauntlet. No, it's the Heart of the Universe.

Or at least have the next Big Thing be something cool like a flying, flaming hog.

2. Get rid of Sentry. And no, not to an alternate universe. Have him get run over by a train or something when he's not paying attention.

3. I agree, dead is dead. Bringing back He Who Died Of Cancer just to earn a few extra bux is really beyond the pale. Shame on you, Marvel.

Monty_Cristo
01-30-2008, 04:20 PM
i'd have Hank Pym killed the next time someone put him in the Ant-man costume. then i'd have the person responsible for him appearing in said-costume fired. and then i'd have their family wiped out.

engen500
01-30-2008, 05:00 PM
bring back Nate Grey A.k.a. X-Man!!!!

Capt USA
01-30-2008, 05:32 PM
I knew OMD/BND would be at the top of the list, and I can see why, but I'll leave that one alone for now. As to decimation? I'm assuming that is reference to house of M destruction of the mutants, and although the story was bad, the end result was good, I would have prefered there to be around 500 or so mutants, but not millions, that isn't evolution that is revolution.

And I would even keep Caps death (although I'm still fairly certain it's not permanent, so that is why I'm fine with that)

1. Get rid of the initiative idea, it was horrible concept (each state with a hero team) get rid of the Shield controlling heroes, I will be fine with Registration if that was all it was, instead we get indentured servants.

1.a. make tony stark a hero again, Read Captain America for the real Tony Stark

1.b. have someone with above a 12 year old mentality write Caps response to Sally Floyd in Frontline. This is a guy who at the drop of a hat, during a battle gives out flowery speeches, yet this idiot of a girl, with the common sense of a Lemming is able to make him speechless, by comparing the american idea to myspace/Nascar? seriously Jenkins should be left writing for stuff he can handle, I'm sure there is a benny hill comic book coming out soon, or maybe he could script the tvshow jackass, or other plotless entertainment(rambo, fast and furious, anything with vin diesel--if he still had a career) because that is about where his thinking process ends.

1.c Make Civil War 12 issues, on time and more detailed, make cap competent, make tony less evil, make the story believeable and still end up with the same results(I'm fine with the ending to an extent, but the journey was up and down)

Ok enough Civil War.

2. Retcon out any fight in which Taskmaster gets defeated by a clearly inferior foe (see deadpool and moon knight for most recent examples)
(personal quest)

Gilda Dent
01-30-2008, 06:07 PM
I would back off on the overuse of the shared universe and excessive focus on continuity. Let each title be run pretty much on its own, with the occasional guest star showing up in related titles, and not worrying about how to reconcile Captain America's timeline with the Avengers.

Give creators free rein to tell good, interesting stories using their characters, with continuity and the shared universe being used in service to the stories rather than the stories being used in service to the universe and continuity.

gorthon616
01-30-2008, 06:19 PM
1) One More Day.
2) Evil Civil War Iron Man
3) Disassembled (mostly the Wanda part). Though I don't mind the concept of decimation. I honestly didn't like 8 billion poorly made mutants running around.

The Orange Bat
01-30-2008, 06:20 PM
Fewer crossovers. Fewer multi-character "events". Not complete elimination of said events, just fewer and farther between.

OF COURSE OMD, but not to eliminate BND. I would have just done it BETTER.

I disagree with the Iron Man comments. He's possibly the most interesting character in Marvel right now.

Hatut Zeraze
01-30-2008, 06:37 PM
The X-Men are limited to one comic book a month with no spinoff teams.

Kirayoshi
01-30-2008, 06:51 PM
The one thing I would change above all others would be the general darkness that has pervaded the entire MU. Between Disassembled, HoM, Messiah Complex, Civil War, Fallen Son, OMD and all the other "event" arcs we've seen over the last couple of years, the MU has become a dark and dreary place.

When's the last time we've seen a hero or group of heroes claim a major victory? At best they break even. More often than not they end up worse off than before, and the world ends up worse off with them. I can understand to a degree Joe Q's desire to have the MU reflect modern times. But what's wrong with a little escapism once in a while?

Here's an example; the first season of the new Dr. Who had its share of well-written, well-acted and well-crafted story arcs, many of which carried a bittersweet flavor, espcecially since the Doctor was dealing with survivor's guilt. But my favorite moment of the season was toward the end of "The Doctor Dances". You know the one; when the Doctor saved the victims of the Empty Child, and shouted exhultantly, "Everyone lives, Rose! Just this once, EVERYONE LIVES!"

That's what Marvel needs once in awhile. Not all the time, not even half the time. But once in awhile, Marvel needs a solid, joyous Everyone Lives moment. They're called 'comic books', not 'tragic books'!

Green Goblin 4
01-30-2008, 11:03 PM
Magneto' would still be a mutant, and Deadpool would continue to be written by Fabian Nicieza.

engen500
01-30-2008, 11:34 PM
i miss fabien niciezia

HeckBoy
01-30-2008, 11:48 PM
1a) Reverse Decimation
1b) Cut down on these mega events
1c) Jean Grey should've died the first time
1d) No second mutations
1e) No alternate reality/future characters staying in the 616
1f) No Civil War (and all the aftereffects)
1g) No Sentry

engen500
01-30-2008, 11:57 PM
X-MEN:
The Xavier Mansion should still remain a small private school, housing 20-30 mutants not 250 or whatever. The X-Men should still be underground not on TV..
For Cassandra Nova and the slaughtering of Genosha to never exist.
Jean Grey would still be alive but at Wolverine's side..
Storm and Bishop should have gotten married
PROFESSOR X'S GOLD CHAIR!!!

BLACK PANTHER:
Dwayne McDuffie should have been the beginning writer on Vol 3...
T'Challa would have instead dated Monica Rambeau, fallen in love and then lost her thru some portal in time or space forcing him on adventures desperate to search for her...

HUDLIN'S BP SHOULD BE A SKRULL!!!!

CIVIL WAR:
CAPTAIN AMERICA doesn't get killed but runs as a fugitive and teams up with Fury
HULK should have been in Civil War
More heroes and villains should have died

The Illuminate should have remained secret even to MARVEL READERS

xarathos
01-31-2008, 12:02 AM
That's just too easy.

Fatguy
01-31-2008, 12:51 AM
Lower cover prices!

Robo Ape
01-31-2008, 02:45 AM
Lower cover prices!

That's the one suggestion here that will never happen!

matthewaos
01-31-2008, 03:38 AM
Lower cover prices!

That is the best, bravo. As an alternative I would say OMD/BND

vampireboy97
01-31-2008, 07:07 PM
I'd open up a dimensional gateway and bring some of the really cool marvel counterpart heroes from the What If? worlds like Spider-Man from What If? Spider-man VS Wolverine

Or

Change Reed Richard's character and make him like Ultimate Capt. America

lonewolf23k
01-31-2008, 07:22 PM
I'd make sure Stamford never happened.

No Stamford means no Superhero Registration Act.

No SHRA, no Civil War.

No Civil War, no Spider-Man getting unmasked, then get put on the run.

No Spider-Man getting unmasked and on the run, no One More Day.

No One More Day, no Brand New Day.

Want more?

No Civil War, no Cap turning outlaw.

No Cap turning outlaw, no him getting shot and killed.


How's that for a "What if?" :)

drdogtown
01-31-2008, 08:25 PM
Please put me down for changing the:
a) Horrible execution of OMD/BND.
b) Wanting something to happen in the Moon Knight title other than establishing that the main character is crazy.
c) Doing whatever it may take to keep Whedon on Astonishing, and having it come out once per month.
d) Bringing back Gail Simone to Marvel for a DEADPOOL (not Alex) Agency X title (albeit with Alex, Bob and Weasel).
e) Art Suydam Zombie/Parody Covers of the Classics. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

Trey
01-31-2008, 10:00 PM
Steve Rogers is still alive.

Bring back Jean Grey

Edit: Divito on Nova forever or atleast 50 issues.

Kid Kyoto
02-01-2008, 12:39 AM
Dead is dead.

Fans have to let go of characters and accept change.

Much looser continunity, let creators tell the stories they want to.

Sanctus
02-01-2008, 01:44 PM
Make Jean a psychic entity like Shadow King after her first death without ever gaining the power of the Pheonix.

MythicBrawn
02-01-2008, 02:34 PM
Either elevate the mutant hysteria so that it includes all superhumans or end it altogether. It's a played-out and illogical concept. It doesn't make sense that the public fears mutants and not other superhumans when it can't tell the difference between one or the other. The X-Universe used to be about great stories with the prejudice as an underlying theme. Now, the prejudice is ALWAYS at the forefront and it's just plain depressing.

Gilda Dent
02-01-2008, 04:03 PM
If it were to be something internal to the comic universe instead of external, I think what I'd want to see is the official core universe number changed from 616 to 327.

I think the reason why is self-evident.

Kid Kyoto
02-01-2008, 06:23 PM
If it were to be something internal to the comic universe instead of external, I think what I'd want to see is the official core universe number changed from 616 to 327.

I think the reason why is self-evident.

OK I'll bite.

Why?

desanth
02-01-2008, 06:46 PM
-Ben Reilly never dies, he became spiderman while Peter Parker still lost his powers and had a baby with MJ somewhere. (Screw OMD, they shoulda stuck with Ben)
-All the superheroes quit their supergigs and join the DSRL instead.
-Remove Loeb from the Ultimate Universe
-Have everyone be sleeper skrulls, turns out all the superheroes are on the Skrull homeworld, they get free and take down all the skrulls, now the only sSkrulls left are on Earth
-Sentry makes everyone forget about him again
-Reed Richards has a stroke(I just want to see him when he loses muscle control so that he can turn into putty pretty much)

Kage Kisaragi
02-01-2008, 10:25 PM
Dead is dead.

Fans have to let go of characters and accept change.

Much looser continunity, let creators tell the stories they want to.

doesn't that kind of contradict itself? I mean if I want to write a story that uses a character that was killed last week or 10 years ago then I should according to you.

mikekerr3
02-01-2008, 10:34 PM
Maria missed when she shot at they guy on Tonys chest and then he finished them both off.

seeso
02-02-2008, 01:12 AM
1. Erase Loeb's Ultimates 3 from existence.

2. Start a cosmic buddy book mini starring Rocket Raccoon, Cosmo the Space Dog, and ROM.

3. Release Runaways on time.

4. Get Christos Gage on a new Young Avengers title.

5. Un-cancel The Order.

6. Put Fred Van Lente on New Warriors.

7. Start a Marvel Comics Presents MAX book with a rotating cast of creators and characters. The first issue stars Cloak and Dagger, Shang-Chi, Tigra, and Dazzler.

8. Start a new all-female super-team.

9. Start a Brother Voodoo mini.

10. Change that hideous new Captain America costume.

Toboe
02-02-2008, 12:26 PM
Brian K. Vaughan leaving Runaways and then letting Whedon take over.

Young Avengers hiatus. If Heinberg can not keep with it, give the book to another writer. Zeb Wells, for example, did an excellent job with the Civil War mini on both teams.

The execution of OMD. I'm starting to agree with what it came to do, but the story itself was extremely bad with Peter Parker making a deal with the devil. So much for power and responsibility.

Pixie_Solanas
02-02-2008, 01:24 PM
doesn't that kind of contradict itself? I mean if I want to write a story that uses a character that was killed last week or 10 years ago then I should according to you.

How 'bout creating new characters instead of resurrecting and using the same old same old? Or at least twisting the same old so that it looks fresh. That's what i'd like to see - and the best examples of a writer in the MU doing this is Grant Morrison on the x-books and Brubaker on Captain America.

La Fea
02-02-2008, 02:19 PM
1. Cheaper cover prices or at least, make more cheap digests available
2. Decimation. If not all the way, then something to make the ramifications of the event more interesting/tolerable.
3. Kill less, but dead is dead, and replace some of the stagnanting icons with legacy characters (↑ minorities).