4Kids, yeah it's old news but I want to rant. [Archive]

Nik Hasta

01-28-2008, 03:47 PM

Okay, I hadn't realised, due to my avoiding the 4kids dub of One Piece like the plague, exactly how bad this was.

The voices; yeah awful, the removal of guns and cigarettes and the like, also bad, not to mention the absolutely demonically crappy, pun-loaded, script.

But thing that struck me so much and that caused me to make this thread was the absolute mutilation of some of the most poignant moments in the damn series.

This extends to the point, which will be illustrated in my example, of 4Kids cutting a twenty minute section of footage to almost under two minutes.

I simply can't believe that this lack of respect for someone's work is allowed to happen, it is just unbelievable.

Anyway as an example;

Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14u14IfxDl8&feature=related) and here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdoP8Y1wVYM&feature=related) is the original Japanese version of Luffy and Arlong's confrontation inside the Map room Nami was imprisoned in. A very moving and beautiful scene to be sure.

Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNBqo5QNzE8&NR=1) is the 4Kids version of the same scene.

I know this has all been said before and everyone is probably tired of it but dammit it pisses me off!

master of read

01-28-2008, 04:34 PM

welcome to the "death to 4kids club." club, nik.

oh and dont forget the cutting out of the little garden arc which was key to the whole story. and the pissy attemp to cover it up.

darksaint124

01-29-2008, 04:32 AM

welcome to the "death to 4kids club." club, nik.

oh and dont forget the cutting out of the little garden arc which was key to the whole story. and the pissy attemp to cover it up.

Wow, I thought everyone knew how horrible 4kids was(and dubs in general) Remember the deletion of 15 dbz episodes.

Oblivion87

01-29-2008, 07:22 AM

Yeah thats 4kids for you, butchering other peoples work just to make it kid friendly.

Kevin M.

01-29-2008, 01:33 PM

Wow, I thought everyone knew how horrible 4kids was(and dubs in general) Remember the deletion of 15 dbz episodes.

It is true that 4kids can't dub worth a damn, but a majority of the dubs out there are decent to very good.

Len Ikari145

01-29-2008, 02:36 PM

Wow, I thought everyone knew how horrible 4kids was(and dubs in general) Remember the deletion of 15 dbz episodes.

Dude, that was over eight years ago. Step into the now.:rolleyes: Funimation has learned much from their mistakes.

And yes, 4kids is horrible. To the point where anime studios in Japan won't even permit them buy the rights to license their shows anymore. Thankfully, they've stepped out of the anime fandom.

master of read

01-29-2008, 02:43 PM

Dude, that was over eight years ago. Step into the now.:rolleyes: Funimation has learned much from their mistakes.

And yes, 4kids is horrible. To the point where anime studios in Japan won't even permit them buy the rights to license their shows anymore. Thankfully, they've stepped out of the anime fandom.

yeah. stepped out.

(hides incriminating photos of the 4kids president with a male columbian hooker.)

darksaint124

01-29-2008, 05:15 PM

Dude, that was over eight years ago. Step into the now.:rolleyes: Funimation has learned much from their mistakes.

And yes, 4kids is horrible. To the point where anime studios in Japan won't even permit them buy the rights to license their shows anymore. Thankfully, they've stepped out of the anime fandom.

I'm just against all things dubbed(unless the character doesn't have an American accent)So that's just me being a prick and establishing my own goals into the thread(Damn, I gotta stop telling these guys my plans)but, don't mind me *whistles vicariously*:D

The Xenos

01-30-2008, 12:27 AM

Wow. Thanks for opening up that old wound again. I forgot how bad it was. Never stuck around to see how they butchered Arlong.

Meanwhile, I usually like dubs. Good ones. Silly me. Wanting to see anime how the Japanese see it, dubbed in their native language.

Balac

01-30-2008, 01:42 AM

Meanwhile, I usually like dubs. Good ones. Silly me. Wanting to see anime how the Japanese see it, dubbed in their native language.

So the Japanese see their anime badly re-written, made 'kid-safe' then re-dubbed with mediocre to poor voice acting? Wow have I been watching the wrong stuff.

Not that the Japanese can't mess things up as well. Caught a dubbed version of The Simpsons on my last trip to Tokyo. Dang that was not good...

Jack

01-30-2008, 11:25 AM

Len Ikari145

01-30-2008, 01:19 PM

I like to think that they only watched the first episode of the anime before immediately rushing out to buy the rights to what looked like a happy-go-lucky story about a stretchy kid wanting to be pirate king. I mean, they couldn't have read the manga since that starts with Shanks getting his arm bitten off and all.

So the Japanese see their anime badly re-written, made 'kid-safe' then re-dubbed with mediocre to poor voice acting? Wow have I been watching the wrong stuff.

No, they knew what they were doing when they bought the rights. Just like they knew what they were doing when they licensed Shaman King and Yu-Gi-Oh. What's worse, in One Piece's case, Toei knew what was being done to their franchise and allowed it,thinking that the butchered rendition of Dub Piece would be appropriate for western audiences. :rolleyes:

4Kids only cares about two things: catering to the kiddies by grossly dumbing down the show and omitting japanese and/or religious references. They don't care if they ruin a good series as long as they make money of it.

The Xenos

01-30-2008, 07:21 PM

So the Japanese see their anime badly re-written, made 'kid-safe' then re-dubbed with mediocre to poor voice acting? Wow have I been watching the wrong stuff.

Yeah. You have been watching the wrong stuff. Way to stereotype all US dubs by a minority of bad ones like 4kids. (Lemme guess, you're also one of many who uses this lame straw man excuse to only download fansubs and get stuff for free?)

C'mon. The Japanese simply do not watch their anime subtitled. They watch it in their native tongue. The very nature of watching it subtitled is different. Unless you fluently speak Japanese, the argument that watching it in Japanese is invalid. If I wanted to read dialog, I'd read the manga. Anime is an audio and visual experience, not something to be read like a book.

Meanwhile, with extreme cases like One Piece, I'll take the sub titles. Of course, 4kids never bothered. Stuff like Eva I saw subbed first and got used to it. It should simply vary on a show to show basis. For example, I can't stand L on Viz's Death Note dub. Sad, as I didn't want to read all that complex dialog all over again, I wanted to hear it.

Kevin M.

01-30-2008, 07:48 PM

The Funimation version is doing better, and better with each showing. I never though I would see the day when I wanted to see the One Piece dub.

Inkthinker

01-30-2008, 09:10 PM

So the Japanese see their anime badly re-written, made 'kid-safe' then re-dubbed with mediocre to poor voice acting? Wow have I been watching the wrong stuff.

Yes, you have. And you're also mis-defining what it means to "dub". Nothing about adding a new language voice-over requires bad re-writing, kid-safing or mediocre voice-acting. That's bad dubbing, not ALL dubbing.

darksaint124

01-30-2008, 09:33 PM

Yes, you have. And you're also mis-defining what it means to "dub". Nothing about adding a new language voice-over requires bad re-writing, kid-safing or mediocre voice-acting. That's bad dubbing, not ALL dubbing.

What about the people that don't like dubs in general. I just can't get into an anime without hearing it in Japanese. Don't get me wrong, I know that there are high quality dubs of a lot of anime, but I just feel the same watching them.

Kevin M.

01-30-2008, 10:24 PM

Balac

01-31-2008, 11:29 AM

Yeah. You have been watching the wrong stuff. Way to stereotype all US dubs by a minority of bad ones like 4kids. (Lemme guess, you're also one of many who uses this lame straw man excuse to only download fansubs and get stuff for free?)

Hardly. Old style fan from the days when we didn't even have fansubs. I buy my damn DVD's if for no other reason that I know enough people in the industry that I want to support them.

Do all dubs suck? No. Very few of them measure up to their Japanese equivalent though. There is some fantastic voice talent in this country but the good actors cost money few anime company's can afford to spend. So you get..acceptable. Good if you are very lucky.

Maybe if every broke ass fan stopped with the downloading and supported the company's they'd have the cash for some quality English versions. Not holding my breath on that one.

In the meantime I'll stick with the original Japanese.

Zero Hunter

01-31-2008, 06:24 PM

Maybe if every broke ass fan stopped with the downloading and supported the company's they'd have the cash for some quality English versions. Not holding my breath on that one.
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Maybe if the companys quite trying to sodamize fans by charging 20 bucks for a four episode DVD more fans would by them instead of downlading them.

Balac

01-31-2008, 08:04 PM

Maybe if the companys quite trying to sodamize fans by charging 20 bucks for a four episode DVD more fans would by them instead of downlading them.

I'm sorry to call you out on this, I realize that is a common feeling, but you think $20 a volume is too much? Me I can't walk down the anime section at a store without thinking 'damn this is all so cheep'. Probably because I remember when I had to buy each blasted ep. of a series on a individual tape.

But...but...oh hell I just can't go on. The idea of someone bitching about paying a lousy $20 for a DVD just boggles my mind.

darksaint124

01-31-2008, 08:52 PM

I'm sorry to call you out on this, I realize that is a common feeling, but you think $20 a volume is too much? Me I can't walk down the anime section at a store without thinking 'damn this is all so cheep'. Probably because I remember when I had to buy each blasted ep. of a series on a individual tape.

But...but...oh hell I just can't go on. The idea of someone bitching about paying a lousy $20 for a DVD just boggles my mind.

I remember that, buying one(and rarely two)episode(s) on a tape for about ten dollars. That's when I bought mostly OVA's because they were longer.

Len Ikari145

02-01-2008, 12:59 AM

Maybe if the companys quite trying to sodamize fans by charging 20 bucks for a four episode DVD more fans would by them instead of downlading them.

So, supporting illegal piracy and copyright infringement>official releases sanctioned by the original distributers. All right, then.:rolleyes:

Teh m0nk3y

02-01-2008, 04:36 AM

What about the people that don't like dubs in general. I just can't get into an anime without hearing it in Japanese. Don't get me wrong, I know that there are high quality dubs of a lot of anime, but I just feel the same watching them.

I feel this way when it comes to all foreign language movies/animations.
I prefer watching hong kong action flicks in it's original language.
The same as when I put on a French, Italian, German movie etc

MartinRedmond

02-01-2008, 08:19 AM

Maybe most people just don't like super long 20 minute milked out fights. Just a thought. I don't see the big deal.

Wild Card

02-01-2008, 06:59 PM

Maybe if the companys quite trying to sodamize fans by charging 20 bucks for a four episode DVD more fans would by them instead of downlading them.

The companies ARE NOT sodomizing anyone. There has been a number of companies that had to get out of the Anime business and most of the ones left are barely keeping their head above water. The companies have to paid to licensed the program from Japan. Paid to translate the show. Even paid to press the DVD. Back in the VHS days the companies would charge more for less and Five dollars extra for subtitles. And if think Anime in America is expensive than this stite should gave you an idea (http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/) of how much Anime cost in Japan.

You can not compare Anime and Hollywood releases. Anime has a smaller audience than Hollywood does. Hollywood have more outlets to make money than Anime do.

The Illegal Downloaders are the Sodomites. They are sodomizing the Creators. The illegal downloaders are sodomizing the anime industry as a whole. They even sodomizing the fans who are trying to do the right thing.

The Xenos

02-01-2008, 10:06 PM

Maybe if the companys quite trying to sodamize fans by charging 20 bucks for a four episode DVD more fans would by them instead of downlading them.

HA HA HA HA HA HA! :p

I'm sorry, but every time I hear a fan whine like you're doing now, I have to laugh at them. Do you have any concept of how anime is made and brought over here? $20 is a damn good deal. Look at Japan. There it's like double the price for half the eps. US companies are doing American fans a huge favor. Now I don't know if you complain about the Japanese or American companies, but you're simply not aware of the good deal that American fans get. Hell, Japanese companies are worried about Japanese fans importing anime because it's cheaper than buying it in Japan.

American fans should get down on their damn knees and thank US companies for getting us a deal. Instead, they act like they're the villains. Hell if anyone's the bad guy here, it's the Japanese companies making the anime in the first place and are milking the fans.

The Illegal Downloaders are the Sodomites. They are sodomizing the Creators. The illegal downloaders are sodomizing the anime industry as a whole. They even sodomizing the fans who are trying to do the right thing.

Oh yeah, those idiots too. Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right.

(lol. I just sent some of these comments to a friend who is.. um.. a sodomite. I added, " No offense to any sodomites")

Demon wizard

02-02-2008, 12:48 PM

darksaint124

02-02-2008, 12:56 PM

In my experience, I've run into more bad/mediocre dubs than good ones. I really can't stand the dubbed version of Bleach. The voice acting drives me crazy. And I refuse to use the term "Soul Reaper." Unless I'm talking about who I hate the term "Soul Reaper." They're Shinigami!

That's another thing I don't like about dubs, the little simple things that get lost in translation.

The Xenos

02-02-2008, 02:30 PM

I haven't seen the dub, but the subtitles on Karas used the term 'demon' instead of the Japanese yokai. I think it's rather misleading. The yaokai are rather unique, very different from the western concepts of demons. That rather felt dumbed down.

Len Ikari145

02-02-2008, 05:00 PM

In my experience, I've run into more bad/mediocre dubs than good ones. I really can't stand the dubbed version of Bleach. The voice acting drives me crazy. And I refuse to use the term "Soul Reaper." Unless I'm talking about who I hate the term "Soul Reaper." They're Shinigami!

You realize Kubo Tite himself translated Shinigami as "Soul Reaper" for the Viz translation, don't you?

Not saying you have to like it or use it, but it is a revelent factoid to point out.

Demon wizard

02-02-2008, 05:20 PM

You realize Kubo Tite himself translated Shinigami as "Soul Reaper" for the Viz translation, don't you?

Not saying you have to like it or use it, but it is a revelent factoid to point out.

I don't care who's idea it was, Shinigami still sounds about 10x cooler.

Nik Hasta

02-03-2008, 04:17 AM

Maybe most people just don't like super long 20 minute milked out fights. Just a thought. I don't see the big deal.

If it were simply twenty minutes of fight that were cut I'd be annoyed but not that bothered. What I object to is 4Kids removing any kind of seriousness from the scene.

In the original Luffy sees Nami's pen is caked in blood, Arlong describes her imprisonment which is interspersed with scenes of Arlong beating Nami and threatening to kill her friends if she doesn't make real maps for him.

Luffy then completely trashes the room, hurling furniture though the walls, destroys the maps and swears to destroy everything that would remind Nami of her time her.

The moment when Nami sees her much hated desk fly out of the window and smash on the ground is a touching moment.

I wouldn't mind if it was just fighting, I object to the seriousness, depth and the emotional tone of the scene being neutered for no good reason at all.

Len Ikari145

02-03-2008, 09:33 AM

Maybe most people just don't like super long 20 minute milked out fights. Just a thought. I don't see the big deal.

Then you've never watched the original anime or seen what 4kids does to said anime when they license it.

Simply put: It's an absolute trainwreck that not only tarnishes and mocks the original material, but also insults your intelligence (apparently, the new generation can't comprehend big words:rolleyes: )

Guy1

02-03-2008, 09:52 AM

Then you've never watched the original anime or seen what 4kids does to said anime when they license it.

Simply put: It's an absolute trainwreck that not only tarnishes and mocks the original material, but also insults your intelligence (apparently, the new generation can't comprehend big words:rolleyes: )

Case in point, Luffy vs Crocodile, round 1, origional.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmxPP7ZbfwU

Dubbed Luffy vs Crocodile
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7N6rRUI93Q

Judge for yourself.

Drink

02-07-2008, 12:49 PM

The reason that the Shinigami from Bleach became Soul Reapers in English most likely has to do with Death Note. Suffice to say that Ryuk is very different beings from Rukia. And also, "Death God" sounds rather creepy for what the Soul Reapers actually do.

In any case, I'm not as against dubs as some people here. Sure, Dragon Ball's dub was pretty bad in retrospect (And probably what kept be from collecting the Manga, though it might have been because I already knew the story, it wasn't a priority), and I've heard pretty bad things about One Piece's. But most of the ones I've seen aren't too bad, though I haven't had as much experience with Anime.

And conversely, in the Japanese version of Death Note, I really can't stand Misa's voice. I haven't heard it in English yet, but it's really irratating in Japanese.

Inkthinker

02-07-2008, 02:31 PM

Sure, Dragon Ball's dub was pretty bad in retrospect (And probably what kept be from collecting the Manga, though it might have been because I already knew the story, it wasn't a priority)

You're doing yourself a serious disservice here... the original manga is to the anime as fine wine is to old grape juice.

This is one of those things that makes me sad about anime, especially long-running, filler-laden anime... that it turns people off the original manga, because people don't realize that in the comics the characters don't ramble on repeatedly about the same goddamn crap over and over again.

The Dragonball Z anime is notorious for its filler and its repetetive dialogue and its unbelievable drawn-out plot... and none of that is representational of Toriyama's manga, where there is no filler to speak of (unless Toriyama felt like spending a chapter or three on a side-gag like returning to Penguin Island), the characters don't repeat themselves ad nausea, and the plot clicks right along as fast as any shonen fight manga (of which it's one of the earliest). Not to mention that the artwork is SO much tighter.

The same is true of Naruto... the anime ranges from tolerable to terrible, but the manga is not the anime. It's been consistently interesting and well-drawn, and is plotted MUCH more tightly without silly side-trips to Noodle Country and whatnot.

If you enjoy an anime based on a manga AT ALL, you almost owe it to yourself to find out what the original content is all about... it's a rare exception when the anime is better than the manga it's based upon.

Robotech Master

02-07-2008, 10:36 PM

Yeah, one thing you have to realize is that Dragonball as a Manga ended somewhere in the 40's in volume number. That includes everything that was in Dragonball AND Dragonball Z Anime (since the Manga didn't have that distinction in the original japanese). It went through stuff much faster than the anime, which took 400+ episodes to do the same thing.

Drink

02-08-2008, 05:27 AM

You're doing yourself a serious disservice here... the original manga is to the anime as fine wine is to old grape juice.

This is one of those things that makes me sad about anime, especially long-running, filler-laden anime... that it turns people off the original manga, because people don't realize that in the comics the characters don't ramble on repeatedly about the same goddamn crap over and over again.

The Dragonball Z anime is notorious for its filler and its repetetive dialogue and its unbelievable drawn-out plot... and none of that is representational of Toriyama's manga, where there is no filler to speak of (unless Toriyama felt like spending a chapter or three on a side-gag like returning to Penguin Island), the characters don't repeat themselves ad nausea, and the plot clicks right along as fast as any shonen fight manga (of which it's one of the earliest). Not to mention that the artwork is SO much tighter.

The same is true of Naruto... the anime ranges from tolerable to terrible, but the manga is not the anime. It's been consistently interesting and well-drawn, and is plotted MUCH more tightly without silly side-trips to Noodle Country and whatnot.

If you enjoy an anime based on a manga AT ALL, you almost owe it to yourself to find out what the original content is all about... it's a rare exception when the anime is better than the manga it's based upon.

It's not that I have anything against the story, I actually enjoyed it a lot at the time, despite its flaws. But rather I want to read stories that I haven't seen in one format or another right now. In terms of Manga, that includes Bleach, One Piece, Shaman King and a few others of which I've never watched more than 3 seconds of the Anime. Some time down the line, when I get through collecting other things and enough time has passed since watching the cartoon, I might check the Manga out.

That and a lot of stores have pretty sporadic holdings of Manga. They earliest issues they might have is volume 10, for instance. So even if I did want it, I couldn't really get it. Though they are making an extra-large sized version, so there's that...

darksaint124

02-08-2008, 07:58 AM

You're doing yourself a serious disservice here... the original manga is to the anime as fine wine is to old grape juice.

This is one of those things that makes me sad about anime, especially long-running, filler-laden anime... that it turns people off the original manga, because people don't realize that in the comics the characters don't ramble on repeatedly about the same goddamn crap over and over again.

The Dragonball Z anime is notorious for its filler and its repetetive dialogue and its unbelievable drawn-out plot... and none of that is representational of Toriyama's manga, where there is no filler to speak of (unless Toriyama felt like spending a chapter or three on a side-gag like returning to Penguin Island), the characters don't repeat themselves ad nausea, and the plot clicks right along as fast as any shonen fight manga (of which it's one of the earliest). Not to mention that the artwork is SO much tighter.

The same is true of Naruto... the anime ranges from tolerable to terrible, but the manga is not the anime. It's been consistently interesting and well-drawn, and is plotted MUCH more tightly without silly side-trips to Noodle Country and whatnot.

If you enjoy an anime based on a manga AT ALL, you almost owe it to yourself to find out what the original content is all about... it's a rare exception when the anime is better than the manga it's based upon.

Quoted for Truth!!!
Claymore manga readers know this to be true(and just about every manga/anime as well)

The Xenos

02-09-2008, 01:18 AM

Weird. I thought DBZ's anime was spot on the manga. I stand corrected. Though maybe I'm thinking more certian segments were taken from panel to panel. They might have added a bunch of filler still, even if they did that.

Len Ikari145

02-09-2008, 01:47 AM

it's a rare exception when the anime is better than the manga it's based upon.

Agreed. Excluding manga that was originally based on anime(like Scryed, Eureka Seven, etc), the only time I considered an anime better than the manga that based of it is MAR Heaven.

Sure, Dragon Ball's dub was pretty bad in retrospect (And probably what kept be from collecting the Manga, though it might have been because I already knew the story, it wasn't a priority), and I've heard pretty bad things about One Piece's.

The early Funimation Dragonball dub and 4kids' Dub Piece were atrocious. The re-dubbings, OTOH, are in fact very good, and are much more faithful to the original content and dialogue of the japanese version.

master of read

02-09-2008, 04:42 PM

Agreed. Excluding manga that was originally based on anime(like Scryed, Eureka Seven, etc), the only time I considered an anime better than the manga that based of it is MAR Heaven.

The early Funimation Dragonball dub and 4kids' Dub Piece were atrocious. The re-dubbings, OTOH, are in fact very good, and are much more faithful to the original content and dialogue of the japanese version.

hey now. funimation dbz did give us one good thing:

RECOOME!!!

tell me that not one of you didnt laugh your ass off at him!

darksaint124

02-09-2008, 04:58 PM

hey now. funimation dbz did give us one good thing:

RECOOME!!!

tell me that not one of you didnt laugh your ass off at him!

RECOOME BOOM!!!! lmfao:D

master of read

02-09-2008, 06:05 PM

RECOOME BOOM!!!! lmfao:D

recoome was the only thing i liked about the funi dbz dub. he was just so over the top and hilarious.

Lunar6000

02-21-2008, 02:51 PM

Actually the 4kids dub on this was excellent they got the main characters voice completely right... he looks annoying so he should sound like it. His voice fits perfect.

Len Ikari145

02-21-2008, 03:07 PM

Actually the 4kids dub on this was excellent they got the main characters voice completely right... he looks annoying so he should sound like it. His voice fits perfect.

Wow.

Just wow.

So essentially, character assassinations, gross usage of fourth-grade dialogue, content censorship and plotline misalignment (aka butchery) are deemed "excellent" as long as they "sound as they look"? Even when the voice and script misrepresents the original personalities of the characters?

Just.....wow.

Spidey-kid1

02-21-2008, 08:36 PM

Wow.

Just wow.

So essentially, character assassinations, gross usage of fourth-grade dialogue, content censorship and plotline misalignment (aka butchery) are deemed "excellent" as long as they "sound as they look"? Even when the voice and script misrepresents the original personalities of the characters?

Just.....wow.

Um... don't brutally murder me with a spiked club or anything, but I liked Luffy's voice.

...

I was serious about the not brutally murdering me with a spiked club part... <.<

:D

Len Ikari145

02-22-2008, 12:43 AM

Um... don't brutally murder me with a spiked club or anything, but I liked Luffy's voice.

...

I was serious about the not brutally murdering me with a spiked club part... <.<

:D

*slowly lowers the spiked club covered in barbed wire*: Feh. Luckily for you, I didn't mind Luffy's voice that much.

Oblivion87

02-22-2008, 01:45 PM

*slowly lowers the spiked club covered in barbed wire*: Feh. Luckily for you, I didn't mind Luffy's voice that much.

Yeah Luffy's voice wasn't so bad, but the dialogue was terrible. Sometimes it was like first graders had written it.

master of read

02-22-2008, 02:41 PM

ok. i'll admit, a few of the voices were good. but that only doesnt save it.

Lunar6000

02-22-2008, 07:14 PM

I didnt say the butchering of everything else was good just voice acting, Just like I like mostly all dubs better with voices. Actually imo dubs are better only because the voices to me are better and if the dub is uncut properly than its fine.

Spidey-kid1

02-23-2008, 01:05 AM

*slowly lowers the spiked club covered in barbed wire*: Feh. Luckily for you, I didn't mind Luffy's voice that much.I'm not even going to say what I thought of Sanji's voice... :p

Yeah Luffy's voice wasn't so bad, but the dialogue was terrible. Sometimes it was like first graders had written it.

ok. i'll admit, a few of the voices were good. but that only doesnt save it.
I'll have to agree there, though when I fist started this show, it was the K-kids version. This was before I even knew anime came from Japan. I thought America made the show and it saintly. Its what introduced me to one piece in the first place. I didn't think the show could get any better. Then I saw the Japanese version and was wowed. There was blood and more episodes and arcs and everything, not to mention over 200 other episodes. I... was... in... heaven!

So yes, I like the 4kids version, but thats because it was the first anime show I had ever seen. At first, I thought it was lame but there was nothing better on so I gave it a try. I got hooked onto it. Then I started giving other shows a try. First came Naruto. I used to think it was lame to but I was sooo wrong...

Don't really know why I went into a detailed description of how I was intoduced to anime, but its here. You can put it in my biography about 50 years after I die.;)

Far From Realmer

02-24-2008, 08:01 PM

I said it before and i'll say it again, the dub version was fine. The only point of contention was they lyrics of the dub song. They should have used my lyrics instead.
YO!
Yah-yo, yah-yo!
Dubbing!
(give up on, Luffy!)
Dubbing!
(give up on, Zolo!)
Dubbing!
(give up on, Nami!)
Dubbing!
(give it, give it up, give it up, give it up, give it up, give it-- NOW!)
Here's how the story goes, we find out
‘Bout a dubbin of the Grand Line, there's no doubt
The Pirate whose on it, he's gonna sing,
"I'll be King of the Bad Dubs, I'm gonna be King!"
Yah-yo, yah-yo, yah-yo, oh-oh!
His name is Luffy
(That's Monkey Dubbed Luffy)
(Gonna be King of the Bad Dubs!)
He's made of Dubber
(How did that happen?)
(Yo-ho-ho, 4kids got hold of his show!)
Yah-yo, yah-yo!
His name's Zolo, because Zoro's been dubbed
And if Nami's sick it's because shes been dubbed
Usopp is doin' that dub voice thing
Sanji's cooked
Choppers doctored up
Yah-yo, yah-yo, yah-yo, oh-oh!
Set sail for Dub Piece, it's the name of the show
(Cause they screwed up)
Yah-yo, yah-yo
Set sail for Dub Piece

It would have let everyone know what they were watching.