Best and Worst of the Ultimate Universe

[RodeoWearden]

I'm sure this has been in a thread before, but the search function is not my friend. Deal with it.

In translating characters from the 616 to the UU, who got the best, and worst, treatments? List your choices and state your reasons.


Best
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Tony Stark - Brilliant. Loved the update from shrapnel in the heart to brain tumor. Exactly what a modern re-telling should be. And the fact that it takes a whole crew to get him in and out of his suit adds a perfect touch of realism.


Spider-Man - Bringing Peter back to his roots as a modern day high schooler. He's got all the problems a teenager would face, plus our lovable Spidey quips. Excellent transition.




Worst
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Galactus - Seriously? Galactus is a PRESENCE. An entity to fear. Not a hive mind of robot spaceships. No no no. You know how they introduced the Surfer, only to re-do it later? Same thing should be done with Galactus. I want to see a REAL Galactus enter the scene. Then it might redeem itself.


Kraven - I'm just bored with this guy. He's a joke.

Your turn.

[Vapour Trail]

Best Ultimate Thor

Worst Ultimate Thor mk2

[Knightmare27]

Best- Thor (Oh yeah)

Worst- Deadpool (Not funny whats the point?)

[ThePhenom]

Best:
- Thor (does anything really need to be said on it)
- Dazzler (going from a pop star to a metal head was perfect, great for Bendis and Vaughan's runs at least)
- Quiksilver and Scarlet Witch (for once I actually saw the product of Magneto in these kids, arrogant, alienating and isolated)
- Nick Fury (even less needs to be said)

Worst:
- Valkyrie (as per Loeb's Ultimisation, Paris Hilton Thor-Girl, what the hell was he thinking)
- Deadpoll (pretty obvious copout there)
- Spider-Woman (not to say that there isn't a lot of potential with the female Pete clone, but I just think 616 Spider-Woman has that much more personality and charisma so far)

[BeastieRunner]

BEST

Ultimate Spider-ManWORST

Ultimate X-Men

[BYC]

Best: Captain America

Worse: Vision (what's the point?)

[worstblogever]

Best:

Ultimate Wolverine- Got to shtup Jean Grey two issues into Ultimate X-Men. Way to go, Logan!

Ultimate Nick Fury- Gets to look like Samuel L. Jackson. Always cool.

Ultimate Gwen Stacy- She was tougher than Peter. I was disappointed about her "death", though.

Ultimate Doc Ock- Serious power upgrade, and some great alternate schemes.

Ultimate Mad Thinker- Became a real credible, and scary threat. Plus... psycho chicks are always entertaining.

Worst:

Ultimate Dr. Doom- Goat legs, man. ****ing goat legs. Plus, giving him electric/metallic powers with the FF seemed to reduce how bad*ss he is as a sorcerer, and inventor simulataneously. Sure, it simplified him, but at what cost?

Ultimate Deadpool - Making him the leader of the Reavers, a mutant hater, and not funny. I was so excited to hear he'd be Ultimatized, and was let down the most by the translation of him, more than any other character.

Ultimate Sebastian Shaw- He deserved way better than to be killed in his first story arc. Went out like the Nazis in "Raiders of the Lost Ark"

Ultimate Rhino- Hated the tech outfit. Even more ridiculous than his regular one, if you can believe that.

Ultimate Dr. Strange- He's clueless, and inexperienced. If he was the Sorcerer Supreme, with the level of experience he has in the Ultimate U, we'd all be working for Dormammu right now.

[rwsmith]

At this point there is only one character in the Ultimate Universe who is cooler than his 616 counterpart, and that is Nick Fury.

With Bucky becoming the new Cap I'd say he's every bit as cool as Ultimate Cap now, and now that Loeb has Thor speaking in Shakespearean dialogue I think I prefer the 616 version of him also. The X-men are pretty much the same, as are the FF (only younger). Ultimate Spidey had a big advantage over 616 Spidey in terms of being single (and thus allowed to date different girls), but now 616 Spidey is in the same boat. And 616 Iron Man is much, much cooler than Ultimate Iron Man at this point (the guy practically runs the entire Marvel U right now!).

Maybe a case could be made for Ultimate Hawkeye being cooler than 616 Hawkeye (especially since he's running around as Ronin right now, which is kind of lame IMO), but personally I could care less about Hawkeye in any universe. But maybe that's just me.

[ZT4]

Ultimate Spidey: Putting BND's old fashioned sensibilties to shame with a young Peter complete with an understanding supporting cast and an identity that's compromised on a frequent basis. It's "real", which is what the best of Spidey is all about


Ultimate Gwen: Definatley a character that has become as flawed as the 616 version, as Bendis killed her off too early (why kill her off AT ALL?), and then made into Carnage. Prior to that, she was a very troubled, emotionally distraught character, but had a very sharper-edged, fun personality. She also had she had the moral balls to not get involved with someone above her age (but given her simularities now to Brock , that may have been Bendis' intention the entire time)

The Ultimates Hank Pym: Makes domestic abuse almost a sit-com.

Ultimate Nick Fury: The man that's made the most strides in iconography and characterisation. Can switch from cautionary militant, to "take no prisoners", (The Ultimates, Ultimate X-Men), to looking after the smaller details and preventing from getting bigger (Ultimate Spider-Man)


Worst

Ultimate X-Men: Have we got the wrong universe here? 616 X-Men is fresh and forever expanding the dangers of mutants in society and as an advancement on evolution, this is a bunch of students in over their heads yawning their way through political muddles.

[filthysize]

Best - "Run." Hawkeye

Worst - "MY FAMILY IS DEAAAAAAAADDDDDDD!" Hawkeye

[Just a Shadow]

Worst:

Dr. Doom

Changing his name to Van Damme is an abomination
Giving him superpowers is an abomination as well
I think they made him stupider as well


Iron Man as written by OSC

The whole bloody point of Iron Man is that he doesn't have powers and now he gets some sort of damn healing factor and is unstabbable cuz of blue gunk on his skin? Not to mention the fact he's a mutant (or something pretty damn close to one) with super intelligence.

[whoischance]

Best - Ult Spidey....Just spot on in every department. Bendis has stayed pretty consistent throughout, and even the poorer storylines are miles better than the '616' Spidey stories. Bagley rocked on the art and Immonen is shaping up quite well.

Worst - Ult X-Men....It was pretty cool right up until Kirkman took over. Then we got 90's style time travel stories, that are worse than the originals and artists that just seemed to get poorer and poorer. Its like they got to the point where they don't care anymore.

BTW - I normally like Kirkman, so my crits on his Ult X-Men work is not a slight on him. I love Invincible and loved MTU.

[Toboe]

Best:

Nick Fury - He's effing Samuel L. Jackson. And he can be aither your greatest ally or fiercest foe.
Gwen Stacy - Emotionally conflicted with a rebelious sarcastic attitude. I really loved how she bonded with Peter over the fact that they both were loners and ended up like brother and sister.
Dazzler - How can you not love her?
Thor - Badass hippie!
Colossus - I found interesting the fact that he had a more violent personality and his ties to the Russian mafia. Besides, being gay sure defied some stereotypes, and his crush on Wolverine was fun to read.
Wolverine - I'll give him that he had a simplified history that doesn't date back centuries ago.
Captain America - For once I actually cared about the guy. I'm glad Burbaker is making Bucky as cool as him.
Iron Man - The ever drunk playboy bachelor has an appeal which can no longer be appreciated in the mainstream version, and I liked his more realistic armor.
Spider-Man - A young impulsive Peter Parker who's still in high school is a classic.

It's sad how they've f*cked up most of them. Gwen Stacy is now Carnage? Dazzler apparently can't finish up a sentence without cursing. Thor has apparently traded with 616. Wolverine is now the father of Sabretooth and has a future self...

As for the worst, there's just so many of them...


Ultimate Dr. Doom- Goat legs, man. ****ing goat legs. Plus, giving him electric/metallic powers with the FF seemed to reduce how bad*ss he is as a sorcerer, and inventor simulataneously. Sure, it simplified him, but at what cost?

The electric powers were from the (also lame) movie version. The Ultimate one has... poisonous gases and shooting needles...
I did like how he started gathering followers on his micronation, and sort of liked the goat legs twist but I really didn't miss them terribly once they were gone. Millar redeemed him a little by giving him the right attitude and mystical knowledge, as Doom is just such an good character it was impossible to improve him in any way so the best solution was to take him back to basics.

[Just a Shadow]

The electric powers were from the (also lame) movie version. The Ultimate one has... poisonous gases and shooting needles...
I did like how he started gathering followers on his micronation, and sort of liked the goat legs twist but I really didn't miss them terribly once they were gone. Millar redeemed him a little by giving him the right attitude and mystical knowledge, as Doom is just such an good character it was impossible to improve him in any way so the best solution was to take him back to basics.

What are you talking about? Ultimate FF started coming out in February 2004 and the movie came out sometime around July 2005. If anything, it seems like the movie attempted to follow what was done in UFF (which is also pretty noticeable in the portrayal of Sue).

[overcomebyfumes]

Best: Ultimates vol. 1 - Most of what I like here has been touched on by others, but I don't think anyone's mentioned the brilliance in how they handled Bruce Banner / the Hulk. "Hulk horny!" should be about the most frightening thing in the world to ever hear.

Worst: Ultimates vol. 3

pax.

[Toboe]

What are you talking about? Ultimate FF started coming out in February 2004 and the movie came out sometime around July 2005. If anything, it seems like the movie attempted to follow what was done in UFF (which is also pretty noticeable in the portrayal of Sue).

What are you talking about? I only referenced that it was the movie version that had the electric powers.

[Just a Shadow]

What are you talking about? I only referenced that it was the movie version that had the electric powers.

Honestly I completely misread what you wrote and thought it was implied that the movie came first. Sorry about that :o

[carabas]

What are you talking about? Ultimate FF started coming out in February 2004 and the movie came out sometime around July 2005.Movies take a lot longer than that to make. A movie based on Ultimate FF could at the earliest have been released some time last year. Ideally speaking, that is. Realistically, they'd still be hacking and rewriting the script as we speak.

But tying Doom into the FF's origin and giving him powers seems like a natural idea.
Ultimate Doom and movie Doom are nothing alik when it coems to characterisation, motivation and powers. Ultimate Doom is still Reed's intelectual equivalent, and a world class inventor.
As for Ultimate Doom not having magical powers,magic is almost non-exitant in the Ultimate Universe, but sinc he is a decendant of Vlad Dracula, it is obvious that the possibility to go there some day was built into the character.

If anything, it seems like the movie attempted to follow what was done in UFF (which is also pretty noticeable in the portrayal of Sue).I don't recall movie Sue being particularly independant or brainy.

[Just a Shadow]

Movies take a lot longer than that to make. A movie based on Ultimate FF could at the earliest have been released some time last year. Ideally speaking, that is. Realistically, they'd still be hacking and rewriting the script as we speak.

But tying Doom into the FF's origin and giving him powers seems like a natural idea.
Ultimate Doom and movie Doom are nothing alik when it coems to characterisation, motivation and powers. Ultimate Doom is still Reed's intelectual equivalent, and a world class inventor.
As for Ultimate Doom not having magical powers,magic is almost non-exitant in the Ultimate Universe, but sinc he is a decendant of Vlad Dracula, it is obvious that the possibility to go there some day was built into the character.


Honestly, I don't find the idea of tying their origins together to be natural. It's a way of speeding things up, but most of the people I have talked to about it seem to prefer it being separate. Admittedly that is all up to personal preferences.

The similarities that I referred to were the fact that movie Doom and Ultimate Doom were both given metallic skin and super powers. They got rid of the armor and made them into a sort of Colossus like character.

So while the movie version might not have been based on Ult DD, it seems a lot closer to him that 616 DD to me due to the connected origins and his getting superpowers.

As for the characterization, i don't think the movie was like any version of Doom we have seen. He was more like a eurotrash post-crisis lex luthor.


I don't recall movie Sue being particularly independant or brainy.

She was a biologist in the movie. Admittedly it wasn't focused on much and I think was totally ignored in the second movie.

[Apex Tech]

Somebody in this thread must at least know somebody who works at Marvel.

Can you ask them what they were thinking with Ultimate Thanos, Deadpool, and Galactus?

Worst:

Dr. Doom

Changing his name to Van Damme is an abomination
Giving him superpowers is an abomination as well



Naming him Van Damme is logical. No matter how much I love him, I can't get over the fact that the name Von Doom makes no sense. And that's while I'm reading a book about God-powered scientists.

[Just a Shadow]

Naming him Van Damme is logical. No matter how much I love him, I can't get over the fact that the name Von Doom makes no sense. And that's while I'm reading a book about God-powered scientists.

I can understand their wanting to do it, but at the end of the day some things should just be accepted. Comic books are in many ways inherently ridiculous and frequently make no sense when brought up looked at from an analytical perspective. The name Otto Octavius is a bloody stupid name to begin with and it gets worse when he ends up being named Dr. Octopus. It's silly to swing around in brightly colored underwear. It's also pretty ridiculous for girls who are supposd to be fighting crime to be running around half naked, which obviously makes no sense from a tactical perspective. None of these things make sense and they're all pretty ridiculous, but they're also the kind of thing that I think we as comic readers need to simply accept and move on past. I consider Doom's name to be one of these things.

[carabas]

Can you ask them what they were thinking with Ultimate ThanosObviously, Mike Carrey was thinking the exact same thing as Jim Starlin was when he created Thanos: Ultimate Darkseid. Complete with Ultimate Forever People this time.

[CaptainCanada]

Best:

- Thor; an interesting take on the character, and of all Millar's caricatures, he's probably the closest to a real character.

- Ultimate Spider-Man; in principle, a good take on the character's roots.

Worst:

- Ultimate Captain America; a sadistic thug, completely ignoring everything that makes 616 Cap a good character in favour of making him the sum of every ignorant joke made about the character.

- Ultimate Iron Man ; likewise, taking one trait from the 616 version and amping it up to eleven.

- Ultimate Giant-Man; see above, except even moreso.

[mlcm]

Best:

- Thor; an interesting take on the character, and of all Millar's caricatures, he's probably the closest to a real character.

- Ultimate Spider-Man; in principle, a good take on the character's roots.

Worst:

- Ultimate Captain America; a sadistic thug, completely ignoring everything that makes 616 Cap a good character in favour of making him the sum of every ignorant joke made about the character.

- Ultimate Iron Man ; likewise, taking one trait from the 616 version and amping it up to eleven.

- Ultimate Giant-Man; see above, except even moreso.

That's interesting. I think the best part about the Ultimate Universe is Captain America and Spider-Man. Steve Rogers in this universe is much more realistic than the 616 one. I just don't believe that the 616 missed thirty years from being frozen in ice. He doesn't seem out of it. He always seems more general-y than soldier-y, which is how I like Captain America.

For me, the worst part about the UU is practically all of the X-Men - especially Wolverine. He's far too similar and less nuanced than any of the other Ultimate heroes.

I tend to agree with your problem with Ultimate Iron Man, but then again, I've only read Millar's Ultimate Iron Man, not the origin-mini-series.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

Most of the B-list Spidey villains, are any of them interesting in the UU? Ultimate Vulture and Scorpion suck and ultimate Electro and Sandman are pretty one dimensional as well. Bendis has made no effort to improve these characters.

[Just a Shadow]

That's interesting. I think the best part about the Ultimate Universe is Captain America and Spider-Man. Steve Rogers in this universe is much more realistic than the 616 one. I just don't believe that the 616 missed thirty years from being frozen in ice. He doesn't seem out of it. He always seems more general-y than soldier-y, which is how I like Captain America.

For me, the worst part about the UU is practically all of the X-Men - especially Wolverine. He's far too similar and less nuanced than any of the other Ultimate heroes.

I tend to agree with your problem with Ultimate Iron Man, but then again, I've only read Millar's Ultimate Iron Man, not the origin-mini-series.

You know, I think that at this point Cap shouldn't seem so out of place anymore. Sure Cap spent a long time frozen, but he's been around for awhile now in the Marvel Universe. It's hard to determine timeframes in the MU, but at least 10 years have pased by now. So if Cap was 25 when he was frozen, he's 35 now, which means that close to a third of his life has been spent living in the present. The man's going to adapt, which the Ult Cap has not yet had a chance to do since his defrosting is comparatively recent.

Admittedly they never really amped that aspect of his portrayal up that much when he was created, but I think that the changes were a lot less noticeable between 45 and 63 than between 45 and 200x (cant' recall what year UCA was defrosted).

[whoischance]

Most of the B-list Spidey villains, are any of them interesting in the UU? Ultimate Vulture and Scorpion suck and ultimate Electro and Sandman are pretty one dimensional as well. Bendis has made no effort to improve these characters.

I think that these characters haven't been given enough space in the comics to flesh them out. I missed the Vulture arc(gonna have to track that one down)so can't comment on him, but do feel that Electro and Sandman should be more fleshed out by now. Scorpion really hasn't had much time. He spent alot of the arc in a forcefield, unconcious, so he's not going to be very developed as a character.

Bendis seems to have concentrated on the main characters, without giving enough time to the others. It's a pity, because he is a good writer and if he was to turn his attention to the minor characters and villians on the series I'm sure they would be pretty cool.

Hows abt an Ultimate 'Spotlight' sereis, much like they've done with 'Transformers'? Give some of these minor characters some space to develop?

[Papa Moai]

Somebody Naming him Van Damme is logical. No matter how much I love him, I can't get over the fact that the name Von Doom makes no sense. And that's while I'm reading a book about God-powered scientists.Yeah, but Van Damme? At least with a name like Doom I can suspend disbelief and figure it's possible that an evil person from a small country might have a name that's ironically appropriate from an english-speaking point of view. I can not and will not take anyone one called Van Damme seriously. That's just too much to ask.

[Alan2099]

If he's going to be named Van Damme then he needs to be fighting the Fantastic Four with his awsome kickboxing abilities.

[Just a Shadow]

Yeah, but Van Damme? At least with a name like Doom I can suspend disbelief and figure it's possible that an evil person from a small country might have a name that's ironically appropriate from an english-speaking point of view. I can not and will not take anyone one called Van Damme seriously. That's just too much to ask.

i actually thought about that after i posted my response. The change from Doom to something else irked me, but it was just adding insult to injury by making him be "Van Damme", lol.

[RodeoWearden]

I would have preferred they kept the name Doom. Because while "Doctor Doom" is kind of silly at first glance, it makes even less sense for someone named Van Damme to make the switch to Doctor Doom. Its just...improbable.

[Harlock]

Good: Nick Fury

Bad: Everything else

[splintersnake]

best: ultimate thor-deserves to have his own ultimate series
worst: utimate nick fury-sloppier than the original,

[Josef F.]

Gah Lak Tus

No Marvel No.

[Oblivion87]

Best:
Captain America
Nick Fury
Thor
Spiderman

Worst:
Deadpool
Luke Cage
Galactus

[TheAmazingSpidey]

Deadpool did suck.

[RodeoWearden]

Deadpool did suck, but Mojo was awesome. Believe it or not, that drawing of Mojo yelling at Domo with his fists in the air was what got my wife reading comics.

...
Yeah, its bizarre, I know.

[Just a Shadow]

Deadpool did suck, but Mojo was awesome. Believe it or not, that drawing of Mojo yelling at Domo with his fists in the air was what got my wife reading comics.

...
Yeah, its bizarre, I know.

Never seen that pic. Is there a scan somewhere cuz now i'm pretty curious, lol.

[RodeoWearden]

I think it was in UXM's first visit to Krakoa. I'll see if I can find it.

[vampireboy97]

BEST

Ult. Thor - The guy is so different from his 616 counterpart, it makes you wonder if he really is Thor or a mental patient who found Thor's hammer and essence the same way Dr. Don Blake did.

Ult. Iron Man- The whole Ult. origin about his life is just plain awesome. He's a super-intelligent rich kid with a re-growable body and brain cells roaming around in his blood stream, being taught by his dad to be the best in outsmarting people, manipulating situations and becoming a business master as well as staying alive against an equally mentally superior mind like Ult. Obadiah Stane.

Ult. Capt. America - Is he an asshole sometimes: yes. Does he like to resolve every situation with his fists, even the ones that can be talked down: yes. Does that mean he should be killed off like his 616 counterpart: Hell No!
Its true that Ult. Capt America is the kind of guy who's always looking for a fight and would use less honourable ways to win one (like when he fought against Wolverine in 'Ult. War'. I especally hated it in Ultimates 2 when he went straight to Thor without any proof and accussed a guy who watched his back time after time for leaking classified SHIELD info to the press and even trying to start a fist fight with him. But this is the kind of stuff that won't make him less popular with readers resulting in a gun-shot death on the steps of Capital Hill.

Members of Ult. X-Men:
Wolverine - A guy willing to drop a fellow teammate to his death just so he could get with the guy's girlfriend. CLASSIC

Dazzler - An angry punk rock chick with the power to make things explode, NICE

Prof. X - Manipulate SOB and a player too. DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING

Kitty Pride - Guttsy kid, slightly more romantic and willing to fight than her 616.

Ult. Spiderman - I also lik that its back to basics with Peter. I wasn't so sure at first about all these people knowing his face/identity like Osborn, Doc Ock, the Ult. Six, Kingpin, Daredevil, the X-Men, SHIELD, the Ultimates, Silver Sable, etc. But they work into the stories pretty well especially with everyone seeing his potiental as being the type of guy who could surpass Capt. America with the right training, experience and structure.

Ult. Nick Fury - He's manipulative and aggrogant, but that doesn't mean he's wrong. Such conflicting issues about what he does behind the scenes makes him such an appealing character.

Ult. Namor - such a badass, more like a frat boy who thinks he's better than everyone... and he is. I like that instead of being an angry monoarch, he's an arrogant powerful Atlantian criminal.

Ult. Hank Pym - you hate this guy but you can't stop reading about his wife-beating, drug popping, treason-planning ways. He's like an evil Eric O'Grady.

Ult. Carnage/Gwen - a Gwen Stacy Carnage combo is so cool for Spidey's future storylines. Plus she's such a tough kicka*s chick.

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GETTING BETTER

Ult. Daredevil - slightly more ruthless, I like that.

Ult. Doctor Doom - After they got rid of the hind legs and the surroundings, it was all downhill for Victor Van Damme... uh... I mean Doom.

Members of Ult. X-Men:
Ult. Cable - Bub??? So unexpected.

Ultimate Iceman, Rogue, Collosus, Bishop, Magneto, Gambit, Psylock, Angel,

Ult. Quicksilver & Scarlet Witch - Best thing I love about them is that every now and then, they wonder if their father was right and they were wrong to leave the mutant community for the Ultimates. (Why are they in love with one another? thats just messed up creepy)

Ult. Longshot - its so good to be bad.

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GETTING BAD

Ult. Thor (Ultimates 3 & Ultimate Power) - Thor's starting to move further away from what made him appealing in Ultimates 1 & 2 and becoming more like his 616 counterpart. Not cool.

Ult. Cyclops and Jean - In the beginning they were cool, now they seem to just drag along.

Ult. Dr. Strange - seems to use the magic more for his tv show them for protect the earth realm.

Ult. Mr. Fantastic - Always finding a way to get his inventions to put the earth in danger. Hilarious, but someone best tell him to quit it. He needs a good butt-whoppin.

Ult. Inhumans - they had so much potiental, now they are just gone.

Ult. Deadpool - they just took out all the appealing stuff of his 616 and just let him loose.

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WORST

Ult. Nightcrawler - did they make him do something horrible to Dazzler? that just kills his character for me.

Ult. Fantastic Four - Nothing seems to really shake things up with them. And whats the deal with always letting Reed get away with always endangering the earth with his inventions, somebody needs to kick his ass.

Ult. Kraven - Dude just proven to be useless.

Ult. Deathstrike - way too underused and has become overrated.

Ult. Rhino - Hate the suit.

Ult. Mr. Sinister - just a mutant-hating apocalypse worshipping nut job. Could have been so much more menacing even without powers.

Ult. Defenders - they were just so embrassing.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Best:
Ultimate Gambit: (He started as a cad but ended awesomely.)
Ultimate Colossus's Strength: (For once he actually had credible feats to boast about? In fact he looked like he was gonna be one of the strongest guys on Earth.)
Ultimate Sinisters First Appearance: (Unbelievably Sinister and funny.)
Ultimate Kitty and Spidey dating: (loved it.)

Worst:
Ultimate Cyclops lack of testicles.
Ultimate Wolverine 6ft tall
Ultimate Storm looking like Hallie Barry, and even worst dating Wolverine at one point. Even Ultimate Storm and her lack luster personality and generally cheesy self deserves better than Jean's sloppy seconds. I mean, god Is Storm that retarded that she didn't consider the crap Logan did to Cyclops just to get to Jean, or is it that Storm condones this behavior because she secretly wants to get with Jean to?
Ultimate Dazzler: Can you put the ugly away now, we get it. She grungy. Must she talk as stupid as she looks? I mean it was always my personal opinion that most punk/grunge rockers were actually pretty intelligent and spoke normally when not on stage and could generally hold a intelligent conversation if not educate others on political or social matters. This is clearly not the case with Ultimate Dazzler. Argh!

[dcarner]

I don't know if he's best, or worst, but ultimate shocker is one of my favorites. I laugh out loud everytime this joker shows up and gets into it with spidey.

I haven't read a lot of ultimate stuff except Ultimates, ult spidey, and ult iron man, but will someone please tell me the point of Vision in this universe!?!

[Kaos]

I love how people are complaining that the ULT are nuffin like the 616 characters...could it be cos they're MEANT to be DIFFERENT takes on the character..jeez. You want 616 cap read 616 cap...ULT cap is a different person..deal with it.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

You want 616 cap read 616 cap...

Heh...

Good one.

:mad:

[TradePaperbackTraitor]

BEST

Spidey - After watching the movie and reading USM, I'm convinced Spidey was never meant to be anything other than a nerdy high school student fighting crime.

Thor - Although his recent 616 version is giving the Ultimate version a run for its money. But Ultimate Thor is definitely more intriguing than anything attempted in the old 616 Thor comics.

Magneto - He just seems more deliciously evil in his UXM stories. I read some of Magneto's early storylines in the Marvel Masterworks Stan Lee TPBs and until the Ultimates brought those stories to a 2007 version, they never really brought out how menacing he could be.

Longshot - I like him better as a cold killer spoiled by his life of always getting things his way because of his luck ability.

Captain America - Watching Captain America deal with the differences between 1940's and 2000's America is so much more entertaining than the 616 storylines.

Professor X - Brought Professor X back to his Stan Lee roots where he was a compelling character. It didn't hurt as much losing him in the 616 universe because he had become a boring chracter, but Kirkman screwed up taking him out of UXM. He was one of the best characters to read.

The Fantastic Four - Probably the most boring historical team to me in the 616 universe. This is the only version of the F4 I ever found entertaining, and it's no surprise Marvel moved Millar to the 616 book.

Gwen Stacey, Dazzler, etc - Any of the meh chicks who were revamped in the Ultimate Universe as hardcore punk rocker types. :D

WORST -

Any Kirkman redo of a 616 X-Men character - Bah. Why did he pick Cable when there were still so many classics stories to retell? IMO, Cable is one of the most boring 616 "famous" X-Men characters. His storyline sucked in the Ultimate version, so did the simultaneous intro of Bishop. Basically Kirkman has brought back many characters and storylines from what I consider the "slow years" in the X-Men books.

Beast - I enjoyed reading his storylines, especially the online chats with Blob that reveal Magneto is really alive! LMAO This is more of a fanboy defense. Beast is one of my favorite X-Men, I just wish they didn't have to turn him into such an insecure crybaby, and then kill him so early. And then bring him back in such a lame storyline.