Aaron McGruder (The Boondocks) writing Black Panther?

[Magneto_X]

In a thread at Jinxworld a poster bought up an idea of McGruder writing BP's title.

A lot of people in the thread said they would read it if that happened.

How many people here would read it?

What are the chances Marvel would let him write it if he was interested?

I don't think anybody has asked McGruder if he is interested, mind you. Right now it's just a "what if" scenario.

[DaeJi]

I would give it a chance. If anything, it's bound to be spades better than Hudlin.

[Beast]

I would give it a chance. If anything, it's bound to be spades better than Hudlin.
*GASP!* You can't say Spades!! What's wrong with you!? :D

I'd actually give it a try because I consider Boondocks pretty damn funny and well written.

[XPac]

Has the guy ever written a comic book before? If not, my expectations wouldn't necessarily be high.

But I'd certainly check it out. Honestly ANY BP book would be worth at least flipping through... I'm enough of a fan of the character to check out just about anyone writing it.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

It would be interesting . He does the write a lot so he does have the creative edge to him on that part.

[Magneto_X]

Has the guy ever written a comic book before? If not, my expectations wouldn't necessarily be high.

But I'd certainly check it out. Honestly ANY BP book would be worth at least flipping through... I'm enough of a fan of the character to check out just about anyone writing it.

His claim to fame is writing and drawing the Boondocks comic strip.

Not sure if he wrote an episodes of the cartoon but he is supposed to be a major contributor to it.

I don't think it would take him long to get the hang of comic book writing.

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I don't think it would take him long to get the hang of comic book writing.He's written for comics before. He did a graphic novel called "Birth of a Nation" with Reggie Hudlin and Kyle Baker.

I dunno. McGruder doesn't seem like the type of person who'd want to write a mainstream, work-for-hire superhero comic.

[Omega Alpha]

I tried to watch the Boondocks show, but didn't managed to keep for 10 minutes. It is as bad as one can expect from something Hudlin is producing, racist and so over the top that makes Crash look like a subtle and sensitive movie about racial issues. It would most likely be more of the same.

[DaeJi]

I tried to watch the Boondocks show, but didn't managed to keep for 10 minutes. It is as bad as one can expect from something Hudlin is producing, racist and so over the top that makes Crash look like a subtle and sensitive movie about racial issues. It would most likely be more of the same.

As annoying as over-the-top racial agendas are, it's Hudlin failure to write characters in-character, use of events to up sales, failure to create a supporting cast and interesting subplots, disregard for continuity, and ridicules plot elements that come out of nowhere and add little value to the story that make Hudlin a bad writer.

[Pach!]

I tried to watch the Boondocks show, but didn't managed to keep for 10 minutes. It is as bad as one can expect from something Hudlin is producing, racist and so over the top that makes Crash look like a subtle and sensitive movie about racial issues. It would most likely be more of the same.

I heard Hudlin is not involved at all in it though. I'm not sure how it works but he just gets the creditor title . In fact, Hudlin is pissed because he's being mocked in an episode, no?

I think it also says something like that on wikipedia.

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Let's get back on track.

[bluezulu]

I think Aaron should write Xmen, New Avengers or one of the Spiderman books. What is the over under in how many issues it sell?

[Tahko Tetsujin]

Personally, I believe Boondocks to be a much needed reflection on culture as not everything is racist just because the message is: "You guys are acting foolish".

The stereotypes are maintained in order for interaction with other characters to provide reflection on issues. For example, the R Kelly episode spoke leaps and bounds on how people are willing to exploit that foolishness for their own motives.

As far as I'm concerned, Aaron McGruder could be the single best thing for titles like Black Panther. BP is a man of reflection and hesitance. He wants to help but not at the cost of all he holds dear.

I think McGruder would be able to connect with BP better than anyone that has written for him before.

Oh and you have a problem with Boondocks and call it racist, you obviously would rather not think and watch tv at the same time.

[Excelsior]

He's written for comics before. He did a graphic novel called "Birth of a Nation" with Reggie Hudlin and Kyle Baker.

I dunno. McGruder doesn't seem like the type of person who'd want to write a mainstream, work-for-hire superhero comic.

I agree. McGruder doesnt seem to like comics all that much, but I could be wrong. To be honest, I like Matt Fraction and I would get him to replace Hudlin, if it was warranted.

Altho I bought Birth of a nation and found some bits humorous. That Graphic Novel is an excellent book end to Alan Moores Black Dossier. Hyuk! :p:D :p

[princesa]

I love Boondocks but I can't see it.

[Keaton]

I would read this in a second. The thing I love about the Boondocks is how nerdy it stays despite its politics. McGruder would make a terrific comic writer, i think.

[Ullar]

I love the Boondocks strip and TV show so HELL YEAH THAT WOULD BE 20 SHADES OF AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Excelsior]

I dont know if i would buy a Panther book with a writer that uses the N* word with impunity. Not to mention his blatant use of stock ghetto characters and stereotypes. Secondly, Gruder hasnt shown the ability to write outside of his own niche corner of black satire. I shudder to think what his interpretation of a African king/Superhero would be.

Somehow, I think he would spend more time mocking black youth culture and BET. Plus, No young kids I know like his work, thats why his season one DVD is constantly on sale, at $17.99

[BYC]

Let's not confuse the Boondocks with what McGruder hasn't even wrote yet. Saying his Black Panther would be racist or uses the "n" word a lot makes no sense. It's like saying Morrison, Moore, Miller, or whoever else writes all of their comics EXACTLY the same. If anything, I think he'd be good for Black Panther. He probably would still write stories where Black Panther distains American black youth for their practices and beliefs, as well as white young emulating gangsta rap merely because they think it's cool.

McGruder uses the Boondocks to express how today's black culture is a mockery of what it used to be. He basically preaches thinking outside the box and being a leader as opposed to be a mindless lemming and going with the flow. Take responsibility, not place blame. Of course doing so means he does offend people from time to time, black or white.

Black Panther is suppose to a king ruling an enlightened country. It seems like it's right up McGruder's alley.

[Excelsior]

Let's not confuse the Boondocks with what McGruder hasn't even wrote yet. Saying his Black Panther would be racist or uses the "n" word a lot makes no sense. It's like saying Morrison, Moore, Miller, or whoever else writes all of their comics EXACTLY the same. If anything, I think he'd be good for Black Panther. He probably would still write stories where Black Panther distains American black youth for their practices and beliefs, as well as white young emulating gangsta rap merely because they think it's cool.

McGruder uses the Boondocks to express how today's black culture is a mockery of what it used to be. He basically preaches thinking outside the box and being a leader as opposed to be a mindless lemming and going with the flow. Take responsibility, not place blame. Of course doing so means he does offend people from time to time, black or white.

Black Panther is suppose to a king ruling an enlightened country. It seems like it's right up McGruder's alley.

I can only go by his work. So I express my opinion like others, based on his work-- I say he wouldnt be a great fit others think he will.

To me, You cant use his work to justify him being on a title then ignore the negative side---IE N* word usages and his inclination to make light skinned blacks smart and darker ones dumb.

[Beast]

Let's not confuse the Boondocks with what McGruder hasn't even wrote yet. Saying his Black Panther would be racist or uses the "n" word a lot makes no sense. It's like saying Morrison, Moore, Miller, or whoever else writes all of their comics EXACTLY the same. If anything, I think he'd be good for Black Panther. He probably would still write stories where Black Panther distains American black youth for their practices and beliefs, as well as white young emulating gangsta rap merely because they think it's cool.

McGruder uses the Boondocks to express how today's black culture is a mockery of what it used to be. He basically preaches thinking outside the box and being a leader as opposed to be a mindless lemming and going with the flow. Take responsibility, not place blame. Of course doing so means he does offend people from time to time, black or white.

Black Panther is suppose to a king ruling an enlightened country. It seems like it's right up McGruder's alley.
Exactly. He's willing to turn a critical eye to everyone, no matter the skin color.

Not simply label everyone white as various shades of evil like Reginald Hudlin has done with BP.

[Excelsior]

Exactly. He's willing to turn a critical eye to everyone, no matter the skin color.

Not simply label everyone white as various shades of evil like Reginald Hudlin has done with BP.


McGruder called ronald reagan the devil in a promo for the Boondocks the first season then proceeded to brush more than a few whites in the same stroke as well.

Hudlin and McGruder then published a satire graphic novel called birth of a nation in which they explored the reality of a black presidency and minority run country. Yet somehow a few posters separate the two, labeling one bad and the other good. When they have the same writing styles. I dont get it.


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If I had my choice for replacing Hudlin, and im not Calling for it---- I would choose

Novelist---Tananarive Due
or
Octavia E. Butler

[DaeJi]

Yet somehow a few posters separate the two, labeling one bad and the other good. When they have the same writing styles. I dont get it.




I dunno about the same writing styles. Near all of my disliking of Hudlin comes from his many flaws and shortcoming as a writer (yeah, the race thing irks me, but not enough to make him actually dislike his writing). If McCruder can develop interesting subplots, build up an actual supporting cast, respect and use continuity, and not just make up random plot elements, it would be a VAST improvement.

[Excelsior]

http://dwb.thenewstribune.com/ae/story/5312055p-4812701c.html


Aaron McGruder interview: Complete transcript

BILL HUTCHENS; The News Tribune
Published: November 6th, 2005 01:08 AM

The 31-year-old talked to journalists recently during a conference call. Here’s the complete transcript:


Journalist: What about the language?

McGruder: Yeah, yeah, you know, I think we were given all the leeway we needed to say what we wanted to say.

Journalist: "The Boondocks" has been popular for so long, I was wondering if there had been any other offers in the past to turn it into a TV series. And, if so, why those weren't pursued?

McGruder: Actually, I was trying to sell a show at the same time I was trying to sell the strip into syndication. I had been in talks with one entity RE:BET or another for about six years now. The deals basically just didn't happen for a number of reasons, but most of them revolved around, you know, creative control issues and things like that. It's been kind of all over town, I guess, and we finally ended up here at Sony. And we did the pilot for Fox, and it didn't go at Fox. And then Adult Swim saved the day.


Journalist: I wanted to get back to the use of the "N word" in your episodes. We seem to be hearing it more in pop culture whether it's music or television. Do you think the word has lost some of its power to shock and offend?

McGruder: Um, probably not if we're still talking about it (laughs). I do think it's obviously been in pop culture and music a whole lot especially in the last 16, 17 years. You know, it doesn't seem to be a topic that ever goes a way. So I would guess it's still a touchy subject.

Journalist: So why is it important to you to be able to use it in this series?

McGruder: I think it's important for me to say a lot of things in the series. You know, it ain't "The N*WORD Show” … You know, we do say a few other things, too. What I wanted to do was have the freedom to write the way I wanted to write and for the characters to be able to talk the way people actually talk.

Journalist: Do you have the hope that there would be some time in the future when you could use the word without it causing so much of a stir. Or do you like the stir? Is that part of the attraction of using it?

McGruder: It's neither. I think I would look forward to the day where racial discourse has somehow evolved past the same conversations that we've been having for, like, 30 years. That's not to say that I don't want people to be upset about it anymore. It's not to say that I want people to deliberately be upset which is why I'm using it all the time. I just kind of wish that, at a certain point, the conversation would move forward and become, you know, more sophisticated. I just think we kind of stay stuck in a rut. We talk about the same things year in and year out and nothing ever changes.

Journalist: I've got a quote from you from the American Society of Newspaper Editors talk, back in 2002, where you said that your goal in creating "The Boondocks" was to challenge the way people thought about the norm of political thought and what's extremism, to get people to think more critically outside the standard liberal and conservative angles. Um, since the cartoon series can't be as topical on a political level or else it becomes dated too quickly, is there a different goal with the animated series? Is it still meant to have the same political punch?

McGruder: I don think it can have the same political punch without being right up to the minute on the news. You know, I think that, you know, but I would also say that, um, you know, as important as any of those other lofty goals is entertaining. The television show and the strip offers pros and cons. I think that we have to do, you know, much, you know, kind of, broader satire. We can't stay sort of nailed down on specific people or specific issues because we're so far out. It just kind of makes you work a little harder to figure out how to get the same points across without dating the show. So, you know, to me, this is what it is. I think you make the best of the medium, but ultimately, you know any message, whether it's in the strip or whether it's in the show, if it ultimately isn't delivered in a very, very funny way, the message is somewhat irrelevant.... I think the show will challenge people and I think the show will make people think about things in a very different way. I don't think you necessarily have to be right on top of the news to do that.

Journalist: One review I've read said that there might be more negative reaction to Robert's slapping up on Riley in the second episode than to the prominent use of the N-word. Do you agree with that?

McGruder: I've never had an ability to predict what people are going to be mad at. It always takes me by surprise. Anything is possible. We've had instances in the run of the strip where that exact kind of thing took place. Jokes that we thought were pretty harmless ended up taking us by surprise and people were really mad at us. So you really can't - I can't - predict it at least. I don't know.

[Excelsior]

Part 2

Journalist: What do you want people to take away from the cartoon series, and also, you were recently quoted in this week's Newsweek saying black folks worry too much about what others think of them. What did you mean by that? And is that related toward expanding the discussion about race in our country?

McGruder: I think you have to first hope that they laugh. You just have to pray. That's the toughest job. If you've done that, at least you get to sort of survive to do it another day. But I think the stories kind of speak for themselves in a way. It's tough for me to sit here and explain the work because no explanation I give is gonna do it justice. It's kind of just all there and I think if I have to pinpoint anything it's that people (will) sort of be challenged and think about things a different way and question and just kind of, you know, just be sort of introduced to a new idea, maybe a new thought. But really I think the shows kind of are what they are.

(Regarding the second question) I think that kind of speaks for itself, too. I think there's a fear amongst black people internally about how those outside of us judge us. I think it has very legitimate historical roots. But I think that fear can also be a somewhat paralyzing thing. I believe if you are equal and you truly believe that you're equal, well then you don't have anything to worry about in terms of what other people might think, and you'll speak your mind freely. That's basically it.


Journalist: Any update on the Milestone comics we talked about a few years go that you were trying to get up and running?

McGruder: That was one of the pilots I had mentioned earlier. It was the one-hour action drama called “Milestones” based on a comic book universe that was launched in the early 90s. It was black kids with super powers. It was a cool show. They never shot the pilot.

Journalist: Any chance of it?

McGruder: Most shows don't survive their first rejection. We were lucky that "The Boondocks" was able to live on after being dissed at Fox. But that's not the norm usually. Once you've taken a shot at it, that's it.
NO Fox Ire but he slams BET, Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Journalist: I was just wondering if there is any facet of the criticism that comes your way that really does matter to you when you hear it.

McGruder: I try to insulate myself from as much of the feedback on the strip as possible because it makes it difficult to do the job. So I don't avoid it because I don't care and it's not like if I do read criticism it doesn't bother me. It's just ultimately you go into this knowing that some people are just going to not like what you do and you can't let it interrupt the creative process. I think different artists have different ways of handling that. I just basically just avoid it all. I try to avoid the fan mail and the hate mail, just to stay focused on what I have to do. I also think basically I'm my own worst critic. I don't think there's much that people can throw at me that I haven't already kicked my self in the ass for (laughs). Like everyone, I get sensitive about my work and what you put out there. You just can't dwell on it, I guess. You just gotta stay focused on the job.

Journalist: I know you said the strip doesn't particularly (reflect your own experience), but with the boys moving from an unnamed town to a suburb, is that in anyway a reflection on your thoughts, moving from Chicago to suburban D.C. out there in Columbia?

McGruder: I never really spent a lot of time living in Chicago. Every time I read an article, the age at which I left Chicago is different ...


McGruder: I never really spent a lot of time living in Chicago. Every time I read an article, the age at which I left Chicago is different ...

Journalist: For the record, what is it?

McGruder: My earliest memories are actually in Champagne, Illinois, so I must have been out of Chicago after maybe a year old or something like that. So I've lived in a bunch of different places. But I've never spent any amount of time in the inner city or anything like that. So, that was more of just a simple back story and its setup, but that wasn't sort of directly about my personal experience. I mean obviously, living out in the suburbs informed the strip and the writing of the show, but not necessarily being transplanted from someplace else.


Journalist: Are you concerned at all about rich young white kids using this as a primer for urban development?

McGruder: Wow. I don't even know what that means?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Journalist: Well, there's a lot of clueless little rich white kids around here.

McGruder: (laughs) Anything that starts out with, “Are you worried about, you know, white kids?” I generally go, “No” (laughs). So even before you even get to the end of the sentence, “No.” This show is what it is. Will it be misinterpreted? Absolutely. Will people take away terrible things from it and wrong things and all of that? Sure. I think it's the same with the strip. There's nothing I can really do about it other than not make the show. And I'd rather just make the show and make it for the people who get it and let the people who don't get it or misinterpret it just say, "Oh well, there's nothing I can really do."


Journalist: It sounds like creative control was part of what you wanted for this, and it sounds like you got it.

McGruder: Yeah, I did, actually. I was quite lucky.

Journalist: Do you miss drawing the strip? I understand you don't illustrate it anymore.

McGruder: That's correct. I don't illustrate it. And, no, I don't miss it.

Journalist: But you do still write the strip?

McGruder: Yes.

Journalist: You don't miss all that heavy handwork, carpal tunnel or whatever?

McGruder: Not at all.


Journalist: Can you tell us who illustrates your strip now?

McGruder: Carl Jones, who is also a producer on the show.


Moderator: At this time, there are no further remarks.

McGruder: (whistles) Actually, well thank you everybody. And I hope everyone does enjoy the show when it comes on Nov. 6. Thank you.

[bluezulu]

There is always a need by some of the fanboys and greater white community to pit to negroes against each other. See they seem to want only one of us at a time see for some if Hudlin can't be on the book line up the next negro. Priest rebelled againt that and refused to continue to be known as the black character writer. While I don't agree with Priest's stance, I understand it. Nothing wrong with writing black characters or being known for it imo.

But the fanboys always like to pit the brothers in their v/s episodes. see:


Hudlin>><<<<Priest

Hudlin>>><<<McGruder the new one

Obama<<<>>>> J. Jackson

Obama>>><<<< A. Sharpton

These are just examples I have seen here on the comic forums and general discussion.

* note I did not say all fanboys or all white guys, just some and yes some of you have called for Bendisstrenzyskislott to be on the book.

[Magneto X]

In a thread at Jinxworld a poster bought up an idea of McGruder writing BP's title.

A lot of people in the thread said they would read it if that happened.

How many people here would read it?

What are the chances Marvel would let him write it if he was interested?

I don't think anybody has asked McGruder if he is interested, mind you. Right now it's just a "what if" scenario.


I'm all for it. I bet he'd be interested too. Let's see what McGruder can do!

[Excelsior]

There is always a need by some of the fanboys and greater white community to pit to negroes against each other. See they seem to want only one of us at a time see for some if Hudlin can't be on the book line up the next negro. Priest rebelled againt that and refused to continue to be known as the black character writer. While I don't agree with Priest's stance, I understand it. Nothing wrong with writing black characters or being known for it imo.

But the fanboys always like to pit the brothers in their v/s episodes. see:


Hudlin>><<<<Priest

Hudlin>>><<<McGruder the new one

Obama<<<>>>> J. Jackson

Obama>>><<<< A. Sharpton

These are just examples I have seen here on the comic forums and general discussion.

* note I did not say all fanboys or all white guys, just some and yes some of you have called for Bendisstrenzyskislott to be on the book.

Yeah, you are right. This whole thread is THE back door draft plan for those who want to get rid of Hudlin. It makes me sick when fans use one black creator to diss another. Preist walked away from Panther, he wasnt pushed out to make room for Hudlin. He wanted to write other things but was crammed in the "you will only write minorities shelf" And for the OP to pit two black writers against one another stinks to high heaven. To not even give a writer a chance to fail, and to diss the audience that is at least is enjoying the run, smells of traitorism. I have no problem viewing those who agree to this type of rivalry trash as freedom Rider whistle blowers writing down the license plates of demonstration marchers who came to stand with MLK jr. In a way I want McGruder to write an arc of Black Panther, and have it turn out the same as Hudlins except late, you know one issue every four months due to his commitments to his TV show and cartoon strip-- just so i can sit back and shun those who stir up such nonsense.

[bluezulu]

Don't get me wrong. I think McGruder can do a fine job writing comics. I am surprised that this is even a question as seeing how much action has been involved with this season of the Boondoks. However a writer is what he is. While the points made were a little over the top you better believe that McGruder will be as political or even more so then Hudlin was. In fact every african-american writer Marvel has used over the past few years has been political to different degrees. It is just Hudlin isn't subtle with it like McDuffie and Priest. My mouth dropped wide open way back during the Captain America and the Falcon series by Priest when he had a Kufi wearing Falcon standing at a window with a high powered rifle in the same pose as the Malcom x in the window picture. Now add the fact this was when Marvel was d(9cking him around something good and it brings new context to it. We can debate the quality of any writer work all day long but let's not do the negro v/s negro thing. What ever the beef between Hudlin and McGruder is as a black man I can guarantee you that the last thing either would want is to have fanboys pulling the strings. The both of them work to hard to have black v/s black issues play out that way.

[Tahko Tetsujin]

Wow.

I personally don't get it what the hell is going on here. Black Vs Black? Are you kidding me? It's mother fraggin Black Panther!

Why the hell is it that either its all relevant or all not? Why does it always have to be all or nothing? I mean seriously, if it was the issue of a white writer possibly taking over the title it would be all "He can't possible relate to the character."

So a thread comes along where two good writers are pitted together on a title that both would identify with. Guess what? Yeah. It's the the fact that they are black and political.

Hey! You know who is a good writer that is political? Al Gore! What the frag do you think about that? What if Al Gore wrote Black Panther?! I mean why not? He's a liberal politician, he could bring something to the table right?

Pitting negro vs negro? Seriously, it's like you are saying Malcom X and Martin Luther King Jr was one too many. You put that on yourself. Ridiculous. You feed the very beast that you are against.

[bluezulu]

Wow.

I personally don't get it what the hell is going on here. Black Vs Black? Are you kidding me? It's mother fraggin Black Panther!

Why the hell is it that either its all relevant or all not? Why does it always have to be all or nothing? I mean seriously, if it was the issue of a white writer possibly taking over the title it would be all "He can't possible relate to the character."

So a thread comes along where two good writers are pitted together on a title that both would identify with. Guess what? Yeah. It's the the fact that they are black and political.

Hey! You know who is a good writer that is political? Al Gore! What the frag do you think about that? What if Al Gore wrote Black Panther?! I mean why not? He's a liberal politician, he could bring something to the table right?

Pitting negro vs negro? Seriously, it's like you are saying Malcom X and Martin Luther King Jr was one too many. You put that on yourself. Ridiculous. You feed the very beast that you are against.
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I don't understand what you are talking about?

All I am saying given the issues regarding B.E.T., McGruder and Hudlin I was responding to the fire that was lit buy suggesting that it would be a good idea to have the current writer's rival come and do the book he is currently on. So I said my piece on how I feel about that. Martin and Malcom had competing views. Sorry McGruder and Hudlin don't. One chooses to critic a media company and I don't know want it off the air?:roll eyes: . While the other choose to join them and change the system from within. Which he has been successful in getting the network it's highest ratings and it's first original shows. They disagree over this one particular issue, but as the post above show they collaborated on a graphic novel before. They both like the some of the same thing comics, action movies and black humor. So the idea that McGruder would necessarily do a better job isn't so sound to me.

BeBe's Kids was before Boondocks. Some one has to pave the way? Right?

[Beast]

Change it from within'? What, by turning it into the 'Booty 'En Thugs' network?

[Tahko Tetsujin]

Change it from within'? What, by turning it into the 'Booty 'En Thugs' network?

Okay, so Boondocks isn't the most politically correct cartoon in existence. That being said I personally believe political correctness sway us from fixing our society.

McGruder cuts that crap with a knife. I think the man should be praised for what he is doing. That is exposing a culture for what it is be it good or bad. McGruder points a finger at everyone and that includes Black folks.

I hate saying this but the truth is that if you only see "stereotypes" and get mad at him for using language and behavior that is reflective some people then you are just plain ignorant and probably assist in perpetuating those stereotypes that you hate so much.

I mean really, who acts like Morgan Freeman or Forrest Whitaker? Those dudes do and that's pretty much it and those are positive role models that a young black man could follow. These are educated, well read individuals that do what they can to let people know that you don't have to always have to be for someone else, you can be for yourself and do more to help than to dwell on stereotype.

Instead, who are the role models for young black men growing up? R Kelly? Micheal Vick? Kobe Bryant? Great. Sports and music, two things that doesn't take a true bit of intelligence to do. Don't get me wrong it could be and has but those aren't the people in the spotlight.

That shit ain't right. McGruder doesn't think that shit is right either. Peel back that layer that you've been taught to stare at and peel it back for the nougat of knowledge that it is.

Of course, I'm not even black so the people I'm talking to will outright disregard it anyway despite any relevance.

[Beast]

Political correctness indeed does go too far on occassion. People are so worried now adays to say anything without offending someone. You wouldn't see a movie like Blazing Saddles made now adays for instance. Though people immediatly gasp at how shocking Blazing Saddles or Boondocks is... and miss the point that movies and TV like that is trying to deliver. Sure it shines a light on sterotypes and prejudices... but it does it fairly. Nobody is safe from being ripped on. Which is the only way it can be fairly done. And the only way it should be done.

It seems that Aaron McGruder gets that. He doesn't just shine the light on 'Whitey' and make them look evil or bad. That's the problem that I have with Hudlin's work. Frankly, I have no problem with the guy writing a book for Marvel. Some people enjoy his work, that's cool. It's using the book as a soapbox for his own racist beliefs. Every issue that has come out has featured heavy-handed refrences towards the evil of white people. It honestly has gone beyond simply a theme of the book, and seems to have become the only point of the book.

[bluezulu]

Okay, so Boondocks isn't the most politically correct cartoon in existence. That being said I personally believe political correctness sway us from fixing our society.

McGruder cuts that crap with a knife. I think the man should be praised for what he is doing. That is exposing a culture for what it is be it good or bad. McGruder points a finger at everyone and that includes Black folks.

I hate saying this but the truth is that if you only see "stereotypes" and get mad at him for using language and behavior that is reflective some people then you are just plain ignorant and probably assist in perpetuating those stereotypes that you hate so much.

I mean really, who acts like Morgan Freeman or Forrest Whitaker? Those dudes do and that's pretty much it and those are positive role models that a young black man could follow. These are educated, well read individuals that do what they can to let people know that you don't have to always have to be for someone else, you can be for yourself and do more to help than to dwell on stereotype.

Instead, who are the role models for young black men growing up? R Kelly? Micheal Vick? Kobe Bryant? Great. Sports and music, two things that doesn't take a true bit of intelligence to do. Don't get me wrong it could be and has but those aren't the people in the spotlight.

That shit ain't right. McGruder doesn't think that shit is right either. Peel back that layer that you've been taught to stare at and peel it back for the nougat of knowledge that it is.

Of course, I'm not even black so the people I'm talking to will outright disregard it anyway despite any relevance.

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Im not sure but we are saying close to the same thing I think. Don't get me wrong I love the Boondock. I however see it as entertainment that makes social and political satire at all things including black people. The Black Panther isn't an appropriate venue to portray satire of black folks imo. Yea I guess Reginald Hudlin could but he chooses not to. Go read Birth of a Nation if you get a chance. In it he does poke fun at a lot of things including black folks. I think we can dialogue however other posters are soon going into the ignore file because they post in every bp/hudlin thread but admitted to not reading the book, liking the writer or the character so their point is irrelevant to me and imo they only interest is race baiting.

Beast let's make a deal. Never respond or post to a post I make directly and I promise I will do the same for you. In every other thread and post you actually come off as a ok decent and sometimes funny guy. However when you come into Panther/Hudlin threads you turn me way off with your questionable "jokes" and snarky comments. As this is a free board and you can obviously say and do what ever it is you want, however still I would appreciate it if we can just agree to ignore each other.

[Taskmaster]

In a thread at Jinxworld a poster bought up an idea of McGruder writing BP's title.

A lot of people in the thread said they would read it if that happened.

How many people here would read it?

What are the chances Marvel would let him write it if he was interested?

I don't think anybody has asked McGruder if he is interested, mind you. Right now it's just a "what if" scenario.

Dude! Me and my best friend were just discussing this last night and I know both he and I would buy it, heck i'd buy ten copies!

McGruder called ronald reagan the devil in a promo for the Boondocks the first season then proceeded to brush more than a few whites in the same stroke as well.


Actually Huey called REgan the Devil, not McGruder, he very well could think that, but we don't know one way or another

[Tahko Tetsujin]

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Im not sure but we are saying close to the same thing I think. Don't get me wrong I love the Boondock. I however see it as entertainment that makes social and political satire at all things including black people. The Black Panther isn't an appropriate venue to portray satire of black folks imo. Yea I guess Reginald Hudlin could but he chooses not to. Go read Birth of a Nation if you get a chance. In it he does poke fun at a lot of things including black folks. I think we can dialogue however other posters are soon going into the ignore file because they post in every bp/hudlin thread but admitted to not reading the book, liking the writer or the character so their point is irrelevant to me and imo they only interest is race baiting.

Beast let's make a deal. Never respond or post to a post I make directly and I promise I will do the same for you. In every other thread and post you actually come off as a ok decent and sometimes funny guy. However when you come into Panther/Hudlin threads you turn me way off with your questionable "jokes" and snarky comments. As this is a free board and you can obviously say and do what ever it is you want, however still I would appreciate it if we can just agree to ignore each other.

We are pretty much saying the same thing. I'll concede that happily.

However, I think that given a chance to write without all the over the top humor, Aaron McGruder would do a good job. I mean spike lee put together great impactful movies but he also did some pretty funny stuff.

I'd ask marvel to try it and then I would say. "Please baby baby. Baby baby please!"

[Excelsior]

Dude! Me and my best friend were just discussing this last night and I know both he and I would buy it, heck i'd buy ten copies!



Actually Huey called REgan the Devil, not McGruder, he very well could think that, but we don't know one way or another

McGruder wrote that line, and his characters are his talking points. My point being, I have followed His career since his newspaper strip.

Has anyone that has posted here read his comic strips??
Or his graphic novel collabo with Hudlin and Kyle Baker--for Birth of a Nation??

Or are the posters here mere Boondocks Animated series fans??

[DaeJi]

McGruder wrote that line, and his characters are his talking points. My point being, I have followed His career since his newspaper strip.

Has anyone that has posted here read his comic strips??
Or his graphic novel collabo with Hudlin and Kyle Baker--for Birth of a Nation??

Or are the posters here mere Boondocks Animated series fans??

I think, if posters wanted to get away from the racial topics in the title, McGruder is not the way to go. I'm more interested in just have good writing on the title.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I think, if posters wanted to get away from the racial topics in the title, McGruder is not the way to go. I'm more interested in just have good writing on the title.

Greg Rucka would be perfect for this title. He used a political type stance with Wonder Woman and he balanced both aspects of it very well. My feelings on it is.... you couldn't go wrong with him as writer.

[BYC]

I think McGruder would be a good writer for Black Panther, but I would definitely want a good existing comics writer before McGruder. Brubaker should be good for it in theory. I'd really be interested if Frank Miller or Grant Morrison wrote it though, partly because of the trainwreck possiblities :)

[roguespirit]

I just wanna see a writer that remembers that Black Panther is not American. The only time I've felt like that was when Priest was writing and Texiera drawing.

Don't see how you can get away from the racial story lines when we are talking about an African monarch and his relations with America but I don't think they are going to be or should be the type of racial storyline most people are thinking of or are used to.

I'll say it again. Writing BP stop thinking American

[boshobosho]

I'd read Black Panther if McGruder wrote it.
I'd love to see how he handles the marriage to Storm.

[Beast]

I'd read Black Panther if McGruder wrote it.
I'd love to see how he handles the marriage to Storm.
Hopefully, by retconning the whole hot mess. Roll on Skrull Storm.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Hopefully, by retconning the whole hot mess. Roll on Skrull Storm.

A great plot would be that the Skrulls are using a version of Storm to get close to Panther for the country's key metal. That they knew that Panther had a weakness and it was Storm. He always had feelings for her and that they used it to manipulate him.

The real Storm could be found later....no clue about any of this. That she dissapeared following House of M and woke up on another planet.

[BYC]

Although I am against the marriage, retconing it is a bad idea. I think it'd be much better if a skrull impersonated a high ranking official in Panther's court, convincing Panther that Storm is perfect. As we've seen, Panther doesn't spend a lot of time in Wakanda anymore, so by marrying Storm, it took Panther away from Wakanda, making it vulnerable.

I think this gives much better storyline potential than Storm is a skrull.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Although I am against the marriage, retconing it is a bad idea. I think it'd be much better if a skrull impersonated a high ranking official in Panther's court, convincing Panther that Storm is perfect. As we've seen, Panther doesn't spend a lot of time in Wakanda anymore, so by marrying Storm, it took Panther away from Wakanda, making it vulnerable.

I think this gives much better storyline potential than Storm is a skrull.

Actually I think if they went back to the ground stages and do the Storm/Panther as a romance....and actual build....they could have something that could work long term. Its not cleary working now. So perhaps its best to go back to the starting point and work it from there.

[Beast]

Actually I think if they went back to the ground stages and do the Storm/Panther as a romance....and actual build....they could have something that could work long term. Its not cleary working now. So perhaps its best to go back to the starting point and work it from there.
Agreed. If the marriage would have been developed instead of spontanious for sales, cool.

Not to mention Storm written so badly. I used to love the character, and now she's sad.

[Excelsior]

Agreed. If the marriage would have been developed instead of spontanious for sales, cool.

Not to mention Storm written so badly. I used to love the character, and now she's sad.

Spontaneous, it has been hinted at for over 20 years.. even John Byrne acknowledged that. And a top novelist wrote the retconned relationship..Jeeze!

Ok now I have to know, Out of those calling for Hudlins head, How long have you guys/gals been reading Panther??

And no one answered my question about McGruder..How many of you read his strip, and his graphic Novel Birth of a Nation and who are mere Boondooks animated series fans?

[DaeJi]

Spontaneous, it has been hinted at for over 20 years.. even John Byrne acknowledged that. And a top novelist wrote the retconned relationship..Jeeze!

Don't get me started on that crappy retconned relationship. I would be behind Storm and BP dating, they do have a lot in common. But some rushed marriage with some retconned loved story? No.

Ok now I have to know, Out of those calling for Hudlins head, How long have you guys/gals been reading Panther??

The current series? I read some issues here or there of it. It's not very good.

And no one answered my question about McGruder..How many of you read his strip, and his graphic Novel Birth of a Nation and who are mere Boondooks animated series fans?

I've read a few of the strips and seen the series a few times. Like I said, if you want to get away from race in the comic... he is not your man.

[Beast]

Spontaneous, it has been hinted at for over 20 years.. even John Byrne acknowledged that. And a top novelist wrote the retconned relationship..Jeeze!
Hinted at for over 20 years? You mean outside of the original retconned meeting of the two characters as children and a couple refrences here and there. It's only really been mentioned a handful of times over 20 years. Including Storm's own thoughts that T'Challa meant nothing to her? And regardless of how top the novelist was, the expanded retcon was craptastic. As was the hasty wedding and everything else associated with it.

[bluedmighty]

Not to mention Storm written so badly. I used to love the character, and now she's sad.

What has she, in the last 12 months, done to make you not love the character?

How was she written any better in X-men before she left?

After?

Hinted at for over 20 years? You mean outside of the original retconned meeting of the two characters as children and a couple refrences here and there. It's only really been mentioned a handful of times over 20 years. Including Storm's own thoughts that T'Challa meant nothing to her? And regardless of how top the novelist was, the expanded retcon was craptastic. As was the hasty wedding and everything else associated with it.

Which is entirely your opinion.

I, and many others, enjoyed the "Storm" mini. We had our issues, but by large it was a good read. As far as the marriage being out of no where, I didn't know anything about Jessica Jones before she married Luke Cage. From my point of veiw, that came out of no where.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I'm sorry ... but it was a rushed storyline that never added readers long term to the title. 6 issues to make a couple who had no long standing relationship in the Marvel Universe beyond House of M ?

It was disastor all around. They could have done a good 1 year or 2 year storyline , using the X-Book and Panther to develope a relationship for the characters. Because the couple had no history of dating or as couple. If your gonna sell this "Marriage" to mainstream Marvel fan you have to try and expose it as a real relationship to the fans.

Thus far many in my LCS has called it a sales marriage. That they just never really feel the characters fit. Its just something Marvel did as a sales lark and have said they wonder how soon Marvel retcons it.

[Beast]

I'm sorry ... but it was a rushed storyline that never added readers long term to the title. 6 issues to make a couple who had no long standing relationship in the Marvel Universe beyond House of M ?

It was disastor all around. They could have done a good 1 year or 2 year storyline , using the X-Book and Panther to develope a relationship for the characters. Because the couple had no history of dating or as couple. If your gonna sell this "Marriage" to mainstream Marvel fan you have to try and expose it as a real relationship to the fans.

Thus far many in my LCS has called it a sales marriage. That they just never really feel the characters fit. Its just something Marvel did as a sales lark and have said they wonder how soon Marvel retcons it.
Agreed on all points. There was about as development to the marriage as there is in a shotgun wedding.

And that's basically what we got. The comic book equivelent to Pa Hudlin holding a shotgun on Storm.

Soon hopefully, what with Secret Invasion coming up. Roll on Skrull Storm. :D

[Excelsior]

Alot of groundwork into establishing this marriage. More so then the Luke Cage..Jessica Drew marriage.

Initially, in Marvel Team-Up #100 (1980), Storm is seen at age twelve rescuing Black Panther from a white racist called Andreas de Ruyter. Revealing their relationship.

Collaborating writer Axel Alonso, editor of Black Panther, has stated: "Eric's story, for all intents and purposes (...) is Ororo's origin story."[8]. Marvel Comics editor-in-chief Joe Quesada was highly supportive of this marriage, stating it was the Marvel Comics equivalent of the marriage of "Lady Diana and Prince Charles," and he expected both characters to emerge strengthened.

the miniseries Ororo: Before the Storm of Mark Sumerak retold her backstory in greater detail, concentrating on her relationship with surrogate father figure Achmed el-Gibar during her childhood.

The most vocal opposition seems to stem from the gay community. Which I submit is fostered by the belief that they deem her as one of their own.

Furhtermore I submit, they also hate Panther. and his manly ways--causing a hatred towards him for snatching their beloved --imagined lesbian queen.

[Beast]

Alot of groundwork into establishing this marriage. More so then the Luke Cage..Jessica Drew marriage.

Initially, in Marvel Team-Up #100 (1980), Storm is seen at age twelve rescuing Black Panther from a white racist called Andreas de Ruyter. Revealing their relationship.
Yes, at the age of 12. Even in Marvel Universe time that's 20+ years ago.
Collaborating writer Axel Alonso, editor of Black Panther, has stated: "Eric's story, for all intents and purposes (...) is Ororo's origin story."[8]. Marvel Comics editor-in-chief Joe Quesada was highly supportive of this marriage, stating it was the Marvel Comics equivalent of the marriage of "Lady Diana and Prince Charles," and he expected both characters to emerge strengthened.
Lady Diana and Prince Charles actually had a relationship before getting married. Where as Black Panther and Storm did not. There was no build-up. No romance. No nothing. It was as bad as those pop stars who get wasted and marry the nearest guy in a cheap Ceremony in Vegas. And hopefully ends just as quick. :p
the miniseries Ororo: Before the Storm of Mark Sumerak retold her backstory in greater detail, concentrating on her relationship with surrogate father figure Achmed el-Gibar during her childhood.
And was good. But it has nothing to do with the distastful marriage that followed.
The most vocal opposition seems to stem from the gay community. Which I submit is fostered by the belief that they deem her as one of their own.

Furhtermore I submit, they also hate Panther. and his manly ways--causing a hatred towards him for snatching their beloved --imagined lesbian queen.
Well, I'm gay... but that has nothing to do with Storm. I accept that she's clearly bi-sexual. I like the character and didn't have any problems with the relationships with Forge, which was developed. Or with Wolverine, which was also developed. Both developed a hell of a lot more than Storm and T'Challa.

[GalactaSurfer]

The crying and complaining about no build up for the marriage is a bunch of bull.

The people complaing are just doing so because nothing is gonna be good enough for them reguardless of the Strom mini and a proven history between BP and Storm.

The Storm mini was well written and gave a hell of a lot of build up than the Luke Cage and Jessica Jones Marriage.

It would of been nice to see some build up in the X-books but the people in the X-office could give a damn about Black Panther and its plots.

[Beast]

The crying and complaining about no build up for the marriage is a bunch of bull.
No, it's a legitimate complaint. There was no build-up what so ever. Show us some actual build-up anywhere other than an expanded retcon of two characters as children. Even the Black Panther/X-Men crossover that came before it showed that Storm wasn't about ready to suddenly throw off her clothes and be with T'Challa.
The people complaing are just doing so because nothing is gonna be good enough for them reguardless of the Strom mini and a proven history between BP and Storm.
No, the people complaining are doing so because it was badly handled, developed, and written to be nothing more than an attempt to grab some ratings. And the majority of Storm fans arn't falling for it. They're avoiding the book because they don't like what has been done to her. A retconned Storm mini based expanding on one meeting that was over 20 years ago for them. Which ignored later facts that Storm was over him.
The Storm mini was well written and gave a hell of a lot of build up than the Luke Cage and Jessica Jones Marriage.

It would of been nice to see some build up in the X-books but the people in the X-office could give a damn about Black Panther and its plots.
The X-Books arn't the place for that build-up and development to occur. If Storm's going to be Black Panther's wife in his solo book, then it needs to care enough about the character to actually devote time to the build-up. And hwah? You mean the very same X-Office who did a crossover with Black Panther in order to let Hudlin start developing something. That he completely failed to do anywhere, within' the crossover or afterwards.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Alot of groundwork into establishing this marriage. More so then the Luke Cage..Jessica Drew marriage.

Except Jessica and Luke dated and had a kid a few years before they married. They were able to start a relationship and have it continue . Not launch a 6 issue storyline leading to a marriage.

Initially, in Marvel Team-Up #100 (1980), Storm is seen at age twelve rescuing Black Panther from a white racist called Andreas de Ruyter. Revealing their relationship.

So beyond that ... what was there ? In the 20 years of comics beyond a 6 issue retconned mini-series did the characters ever go on a date ? Ever be togethor as a couple to establish anything ?

Collaborating writer Axel Alonso, editor of Black Panther, has stated: "Eric's story, for all intents and purposes (...) is Ororo's origin story."[8]. Marvel Comics editor-in-chief Joe Quesada was highly supportive of this marriage, stating it was the Marvel Comics equivalent of the marriage of "Lady Diana and Prince Charles," and he expected both characters to emerge strengthened.

Joe Quesada has gone on record saying numerous stupied comments. He wants the Storm/Panther relationship to work. But its been a forced togethor nightmare and hasn't. Crossovers and tie-ins haven;t worked. Once he's gone your gonna see a rush by the next EIC more than likely to retcon it.

The most vocal opposition seems to stem from the gay community. Which I submit is fostered by the belief that they deem her as one of their own.

Well its no shock about that perhaps....because Storm is bi-sexual.

Furhtermore I submit, they also hate Panther. and his manly ways--causing a hatred towards him for snatching their beloved --imagined lesbian queen.

They may hate the rushed storyline. But its no imagined thing. Storm had a relationship with Yukio.

[Greg Anderson]

Holy damn, you guys are going at it. :eek:

Well, I myself love the pairing of Storm and T'Challa and although I don't read the book regularly, I've liked what I've seen of them together. But even I will agree that although I totally approve of the marriage, the road to it was poorly done. It would have for sure been better if Storm was a love interest in the series since the beginning which lead to him proposing. If you read the book correctly, it made it seem as if Storm was the final resort since T'Challa didn't get with his "first choices" as a wife, so since Storm was available, why not ask her to marry?

Now that the marriage is done, I'm all for seeing it continue, but maybe some mentions here and there that they rushed into the marriage would make a good story and maybe a story of them having problems and them realizing that they rushed into it before really knowing each other, but this would eventually lead to them having a stronger marriage.

[Jake V]

The Storm mini was well written and gave a hell of a lot of build up than the Luke Cage and Jessica Jones Marriage.

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. The Jessica Jones/Luke Cage relationship began in 2001 and they were married in 2006. A 5 year (real time) build-up to a marriage.

Storm and Black Panther's romantic relationship got a year at the most.

[pariah-1972]

I love Boondocks so i would def be curious to see if he can write Black Panther or any other super hero comic.

[Christopher O]

Alot of groundwork into establishing this marriage. More so then the Luke Cage..Jessica Drew marriage.
Wrong.


The most vocal opposition seems to stem from the gay community. Which I submit is fostered by the belief that they deem her as one of their own.

Do you have the numbers on that? Because I think you're full of shit.


Furhtermore I submit, they also hate Panther. and his manly ways
Now I know you're full of shit.

[Excelsior]

Wrong.


Do you have the numbers on that? Because I think you're full of shit.



Now I know you're full of shit.

We are all full of shit. thats what toilets are for.

Unless you hold yours in, only releasing it when you talk or type.

[Christopher O]

Unless you hold yours in, only releasing it when you talk or type.
No, I think you've got that covered.