Best clone . . . ever

[DeadXMan]

well who is the best mockery onto the lord in the pages of Marvel?
Poll coming up

Edit:crap can you move this to MU thread

[Micro]

Never heard of N2 before, so I can't really comment on that one. I went with Ben Reilly.

[DeadXMan]

Never heard of N2 before, so I can't really comment on that one. I went with Ben Reilly.

he was short lived

but damn impressive he took out 2/3 of the invaders
he sucked the moisture out of Namor and used it on the human torch

he was about to kill them when cap came in a kick his ass

[The Confessor]

I can't vote....you left out the Gwen Stacy Clone, dammit! :mad:

By the way, isn't this more of a general Marvel poll, rather than a strictly Spider-Man one? Maybe it would do better in the Marvel forum?

[DeadXMan]

yeah It was ment to be there....
damn you tom tom

[Gemini no Saga]

Ben. Why did they have to kill him????:mad:

[TheAmazingSpidey]

Ben Reilly, no doubt.

[DDM]

Madleyne Pryor, the Goblin Queen:

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/97792366288.241.GIF

[DaeJi]

I like Namorita. I thought she was fun and out of all the New Warriors to die, I miss her the most.

[TotalWorldDomination]

No love for the OTHER scarlett spiders? Micheal, Van and Patrick are among the most interesting clones in the entire MU!

Barring them I voted for Clor. Lots of potential there.

[Micro]

he was short lived

but damn impressive he took out 2/3 of the invaders
he sucked the moisture out of Namor and used it on the human torch

he was about to kill them when cap came in a kick his ass

If a Namor clone could do all that, I'd love to see what a Black Bolt clone could do.

[matthewaos]

Ben Reilly has 9 votes!! Although I voted for Kaine.

[Wonko the Sane]

Ugh, today I went food shopping and when I got home I was bending over to grab stuff out of the bag and pulled something in my back. Its all good though. I had a couple chimichangas and I feel a little better.

But thats besides the point. I voted for Mr Reilly. Without actually reading the whole Clone Saga, I've gotten summaries and issue info from various places. He seemed like a good character. It would have made for some interesting stories if he had lived. Plus, I kept hearing Wierd Al's old song "I Think I'm A Clone Now' in my head when I was researching the whole thing, so he gets points just for that. :p

[StoneGold]

What about Prof. X? Isn't he like a clone of a clone of a clone at this point?


Although probably the best conceived clone story was when the Skull resurrected himself in Cap's body.


It's funny though. There's this huge stigma against clones at Marvel, mostly because of Ben, I think. But that really doesn't exist at DC. They've been doing cloning for decades. Hell, Jimmy Olson didn't even bat an eyelash when he found out Project Cadmus was cloning him in the original story.

[Berkey]

That's not fair to put Ben on the list of course everyone is going to show him the most love. Of course I'm a huge fan of cosmic beings and thanos, which one of his clones was that of Galactus and Thanos himself was scared of him. How can you beat a mix of thanos and galactus? I wonder what the confrontation between galactus and fake galactus would be?

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/thanosi3.jpg

[Grimm]

No Red Skull as an option?

[CMBMOOL]

X-23 is the clone for me. :D

[LungerTony]

No MVP clones??????

[agrich]

My vote

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/fantastic-four/199-1.jpg

[Harold of the Rocks]

...a dead clone.



All kidding aside, I don't really care for any clones I can think of right now. I'd be stunned if Ben Reilly doesn't win this poll, but I have no affinity for anyone on that list.

Given comic book science though, I have to ask... where does one draw the line as to what is or is not a clone? Wasn't Adam Warlock some sort of genetically engineered 'perfect man' or something? Is he a clone? What about when a mind (and especially the physical brain) is transferred into a manufactured body? What is that? I'm thinking Arnim Zola as one example. At what point with genetic tampering do we say that actual cloning occurs? Does that Thanos/Galactus character count as a clone, seeing that he is an amalgamation of two entities, and not the duplicate of one? Into what category does most of High Evolutionary's handiwork fall?

[GreatLakesAvengers]

Where's that Thanos/Galactus pic from?

What about Joseph ... the Magneto clone! He was cool for a bit...

[agrich]

Where's that Thanos/Galactus pic from?


The Infinity Abyss 6-issue miniseries from 3-4 years back.

[a-spidey]

My favorite clone is Ben Reilly
Even when the Clone Saga was in the end pretty bad,
i really liked him as character and as Scarlet Spider.

[Madison Carter]

Midnight Sun.

[Gavin Higginbotham, BotF]

I voted for the most badass clone I can think of, KAINE. The guy stormed onto the scene with the brutal takedown of Doctor Octopus and the Grim Hunter and he proved himself to be one of the most ruthless villains in Spidey's rogues gallery, yet he didn't actually dislike Spider-Man at all.

Kaine's love for Peter and his willingness to sacrifice his own life to ensure Peter got to live out his life without Ben Reilly around to mess it up. He gave up his own freedom too when he confessed to the murders he caused as Peter had been arrested due to their same fingerprints.

The fact that Kaine would routinely pummel Ben whenever they clashed showed how awesome he was at fighting. His costume was badass and I loved that "Mark of Kaine" face-burn finishing move of his. I think it's a shame he's been ignored over the past decade, except in the great SPIDER-GIRL comics where he's still kicking huge amounts of ass on quite a regular basis, albeit not in his cool costume.

[Mississippienne]

Given comic book science though, I have to ask... where does one draw the line as to what is or is not a clone? Wasn't Adam Warlock some sort of genetically engineered 'perfect man' or something? Is he a clone? What about when a mind (and especially the physical brain) is transferred into a manufactured body? What is that? I'm thinking Arnim Zola as one example. At what point with genetic tampering do we say that actual cloning occurs? Does that Thanos/Galactus character count as a clone, seeing that he is an amalgamation of two entities, and not the duplicate of one? Into what category does most of High Evolutionary's handiwork fall?

Adam Warlock is not a clone. He is a genetically-engineered being, as are High Evolutionary's creation, so far as I can tell. The Thanos/Galactus mix isn't a clone, anymore than DC's Superboy is the clone of Superman and Lex Luthor. You can't be a clone of two people! Thalactus is their offspring, albeit conceived in an unusual manner.

[Congo Jack]

X-23? Pffft. Albert is clearly the best Wolverine clone/cyborg ever.

Scarlet Spider is my favourite clone though.

[Fatguy]

The list of options is a bunch of crappy clones, and an awesome X-23.

So I voted for the awesome X-23.

[Teh m0nk3y]

The way Laura has been portrayed has proved her to be more than just another clone. So I voted X23.

[Spider-Sense]

Ben Reilly by far.

[David Atkins]

Ben Reilly was awesome. But I had to show some love for Kane. I miss that guy.

[Monty_Cristo]

Michael

Van

and

Patrick

[Weapon Ick]

I like the girl version of Peter Parker in the ultimate universe.
"Are you ready for the most awkward hug in history?"
lol

[ToxicTeen]

X-23 and Madelyne Pryor.

[Diablito]

Joseph is my fave clone. From the poll, X-23 reigns supreme.

[Hatut Zeraze]

Michael

Van

and

Patrick

I don't think I've read about any of the characters that were given to us as choices, but I know who some of them are from sourcebooks and internet chat.

I DO, though, know Michael, Van, and Patrick. I vote for them!

[timbox]

The list of options is a bunch of crappy clones, and an awesome X-23.

So I voted for the awesome X-23.

That about sums it up.

[darksaint124]

That about sums it up.

X-23 is not a clone in the traditional sense. She was concieved and born(just some DNA tweaking) Even without Logan's DNA Laura would still have been born. I vote that she be removed from being labeled a "clone" since she actually is more of a mutate than anything else. And why does no one see the awesomeness that is and was Ben Reilly(the original, and still the best)

[DeadXMan]

nope x is 100 % a clone of Logan just with an xx chromosome.
since the xy in the sampllle lwas damage.

wiki says:

A top-secret program is tasked to replicate the original Weapon X experiment that produced the feral mutant Wolverine. The project is taken in a new direction: Doctor Martin Sutter recruits renowned mutant geneticist Doctor Sarah Kinney to develop a clone of Wolverine.

Since the only genetic sample from Weapon X is damaged, Kinney is unable to salvage the Y chromosome after 22 failed attempts. Kinney proposes the creation of a female clone; her request is denied. Sutter's protégé Doctor Zander Rice, whom he has raised after Rice's father was killed by the original Weapon X, is opposed to the idea. Although Kinney is allowed to proceed, Rice exacts revenge for her insubordination by forcing her to act as the surrogate mother of the clone. For nine months Kinney's every move is monitored; finally she gives birth to "X-23."

[darksaint124]

nope x is 100 % a clone of Logan just with an xx chromosome.
since the xy in the sampllle lwas damage.

wiki says:

A top-secret program is tasked to replicate the original Weapon X experiment that produced the feral mutant Wolverine. The project is taken in a new direction: Doctor Martin Sutter recruits renowned mutant geneticist Doctor Sarah Kinney to develop a clone of Wolverine.

Since the only genetic sample from Weapon X is damaged, Kinney is unable to salvage the Y chromosome after 22 failed attempts. Kinney proposes the creation of a female clone; her request is denied. Sutter's protégé Doctor Zander Rice, whom he has raised after Rice's father was killed by the original Weapon X, is opposed to the idea. Although Kinney is allowed to proceed, Rice exacts revenge for her insubordination by forcing her to act as the surrogate mother of the clone. For nine months Kinney's every move is monitored; finally she gives birth to "X-23."

Dude, read the issues, not Wiki. And as I said "tweaked" DNA. People do not give *birth* to clones. You can make a case for cloned DNA, but she was still born and not just "grown" in a lab.

[DeadXMan]

do you even know how they made the first clone in the real word?

Nuclear Transfer is a form of cloning. The steps involve removing the DNA from an oocyte and while(unfertilized egg), and injecting the nucleus which contains the DNA to be cloned. In rare instances, the newly constructed cell will divide normally, replicating the new DNA while remaining in a pluripotent state. If the cloned cells are placed in the uterus of a female mammal, a cloned organism develops to term in rare instances. This is how Dolly the Sheep and many other species were cloned.


meaning that there is no sara's dna in X just wolverine's.

oh and here's marvel page on X
http://www.marvel.com/universe/X-23

(btw I own the floppies and got my nyx#3 graded(

[darksaint124]

I see this being a long drawn out battle of two ideas about the individuality of the character. Now this can turn out like our BND battles(ie: nobody winning in the end, and both of us just being too stuborn to back down) Or we can go back to the Avengers board and make fun of the people who think that Iron Man is somehow being written out of character(even though there are years of backstory to his shadier side)

[DeadXMan]

....deal.

cause I still find the Tony is holier then thou crowd more annoying the anti-single side, cap is gonna stay dead, and no way the baby is jean/or ray or any variation of summer/Grey offspring, and The anti Joe league combined.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

well who is the best mockery onto the lord in the pages of Marvel?
Poll coming up

Edit:crap can you move this to MU thread

Sinister made N2 for himself...not the Nazis. He just used the Nazi scientist title as a cover. He killed anyone who got too close to the truth.

Where's the Joseph and Madelyne Pryor options? Pryor>>>Jean Grey.

[Asian_Invasion]

Ben Reilly. Probably the best cloned superhero out there, and the first.

[Lord S]

Joseph was interesting...but then when he was revealed to be a clone, and promptly killed off, it was groan-inducing.

The Thanos/Galactus being was known as Omega...he was a clone of Galactus, mixed with Thanos' DNA. Thanos created five of these hybrid beings...each based off of different people, (Gladiator, Iron Man, Dr. Strange, Professor X, and Galactus). Technically they are clones. Then there are his own clones...which we'll hopefully never see again.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Joseph was interesting...but then when he was revealed to be a clone, and promptly killed off, it was groan-inducing.

The Thanos/Galactus being was known as Omega...he was a clone of Galactus, mixed with Thanos' DNA. Thanos created five of these hybrid beings...each based off of different people, (Gladiator, Iron Man, Dr. Strange, Professor X, and Galactus). Technically they are clones. Then there are his own clones...which we'll hopefully never see again.

We will, once Starlin comes back to Marvel and decides he dislikes what anyone else has done with his character (guy really needs to learn to respect other writers).

[Lord S]

We will, once Starlin comes back to Marvel and decides he dislikes what anyone else has done with his character (guy really needs to learn to respect other writers). WTF...Starlin needs to learn respect???

The way I see it, he gave those other writers the same respect they gave him when they decided to abuse his character by reverting him back to his 70s persona. Turning him back into a two-dimensional brute hungry for power...when that was NOT the way he was being characterized by the mid-90s. Starlin simply corrected the problem when he came back.

As far as the future goes...it's not likely we'll see those clones again, cause Thanos' death was done rather tastefully...and the option of having Death restore him to life, (the way she did before), is always there as opposed to using a clone.

[Taskmaster]

Ben is the best easily, he's the real Spider-Man! He's a hero who wouldn't give up on his wife, make deals with the devil or been so wishy washy during the Civil War, he's a true hero and I can only hope he'll come back someday (since he was the only clone that degenerated into dust its pretty easy to say that wasn't him), heck that'd be the only way to get me to buy a Spiderman comic at this point

[Erik Lehnsherr]

The problem with Starlin is that he overprotects the Thanos character to make him be unbeatable and that's not worth reading about. Thanos Quest was classic but retconning all the defeats? WTF?

[Lord S]

The problem with Starlin is that he overprotects the Thanos character to make him be unbeatable and that's not worth reading about. Thanos Quest was classic but retconning all the defeats? WTF? They weren't retconned because of the defeats...but because Thanos was grossly mischaracterized in those 'stories'.

Like Magneto was mischaracterized when he was Xorn. Remember that? Yeah you were among the tearful at that time.

[DeadXMan]

They weren't retconned because of the defeats...but because Thanos was grossly mischaracterized in those 'stories'.

Like Magneto was mischaracterized when he was Xorn. Remember that? Yeah you were among the tearful at that time.

nope I don't remember that
the time from dreams end until boa was a blur for me in adjectless

[Lord S]

nope I don't remember that
the time from dreams end until boa was a blur for me in adjectless You didn't miss anything...

[spiderman_rj]

I like Namorita. I thought she was fun and out of all the New Warriors to die, I miss her the most.

i agree a hundred per cent,i see no reason to kill her off like that,i liked her and firestar toguether and romance with nova.

and i mean...... bubble dude the leader of them ? since when radical became a wussy ? you mean marvel killed nita so that bubble dude could turn emo ??!
F@!$$%!% yourselves !!! bastards !!!

[Erik Lehnsherr]

They weren't retconned because of the defeats...but because Thanos was grossly mischaracterized in those 'stories'.

Like Magneto was mischaracterized when he was Xorn. Remember that? Yeah you were among the tearful at that time.

Magneto wasn't Xorn though. That was taken off the record by the Editor in Chief of Marvel. It HAD TO BE CHANGED....it was too ridiculous to allow to stand but Thanos? EVERYTHING has to be written out of history by calling them "clones"? Horrible.

[Lord S]

Magneto wasn't Xorn though. That was taken off the record by the Editor in Chief of Marvel. It HAD TO BE CHANGED....it was too ridiculous to allow to stand At the time it was written, Xorn WAS Magneto. What is the difference between his situation and the mischaracterization of Thanos? Those Thanos stories, (from the Ka-Zar crap to Celestial Quest), were pretty ridiculous too...and had to be changed as well.

but Thanos? EVERYTHING has to be written out of history by calling them "clones"? Well not everything...just everything from Ka-Zar to Celestial Quest, (with the exception of the Captain Marvel issues).

Horrible. You think it's horrible...of course it's horrible...horrible that one writer, (Mark Waid), can't bother to do any research on a character before using him in a Ka-Zar title. That's what got the ball rolling, establishing a new status quo for the character, essentially okaying other writers to continue using the character in this fashion, as a power hungry, universe conquering brute, when those days were clearly behind him.

Have you read that Ka-Zar crap? It's just horrible...Thanos is trapped in a void, (presumably put there by the Silver Surfer and Green Lantern at the end of that crossover), and enlists the help of Parnival Plunder to escape. But escape is not his goal...no, he wants to conquer the universe again. This time with vegetation. VEGETATION! What the ****? He escapes the void and begins running after Ka-Zar like a wild beast in the jungle. Hell he looked like the Juggernaut running through the forest, when all he would have to do is use some energy blasts to take that Tarzan-wannabe out. Waid showed that he didn't even know the character's powers, and instead opted to have him run around like a mindless brute.

And you don't think that story deserves to be retconned?

See that story would have been okay with me if his purpose was only to escape the void...but no, it had to be escape AND conquer the universe again...as if he wasn't tired of that already. Ten years earlier the latter would have been appropriate, but not at the time of publication. Waid abused the character and made him look utterly stupid.

That opened the door for other writers to continue writing him that way, which is why it all had to go. It was highly justifiable. The fact that Thanos lost in those stories is not even the issue...cause Starlin himself has made him lose, (ie. Blood and Thunder).