Thoughts on one of the main villains in Final Crisis. *SPOILERS*

[matt_hatyber]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Dec07/DiDio/02/LIBRA-ad.jpg
So dan said he/she will be the main villian at the start of final crisis. What do you guys of it. what do you think he/she will be doing.

[Ben Fox]

Beware...The Incense Burner!:eek:

[CBikle]

I think his name was either Libra or Aquarius. He was a 70's JLA foe that formed the 1st Injustice Gang (Scarecrow, Poison Ivy, Chronos, Shadow Thief, Tattooed Man and Mirror Master I think).that fought them.

The story ended with him absorbing their energy, but it was too much for him so he floated off into space.

Or something like that.

[Slaughter]

I see PURE EVIL in his eyes.

Beware The Libra.

[Jack Zodiac]

Wow, that's J. G. Jones, right? What an awesome picture. Just look at his face. The flames in the eyes and the insane grin just barely visible under his mask? Man, that's gotta be some great art for Final Crisis!

[Will.S]

I'm not at all familiar with the look and design of this character, sorta reminds me of Hourman in some ways but I guess CBikle has a better reference point.

Not sure how menacing this guy could be but the art looks cool.

[David Atkins]

I think his name was either Libra or Aquarius. He was a 70's JLA foe that formed the 1st Injustice Gang (Scarecrow, Poison Ivy, Chronos, Shadow Thief, Tattooed Man and Mirror Master I think).that fought them.

The story ended with him absorbing their energy, but it was too much for him so he floated off into space.

Or something like that.

Hah. This guy doesn't even have his own Wiki page. Found this on the Injustice Society entry...

By the end of the first appearance, it was revealed that their entire operation was massive feint by their organizer, Libra, to test a power-stealing device of his. A series of "Plan B" devices the villains had been given in case the JLA defeated them absorbed half of the heroes' powers and transferred them to Libra. Satisfied with these results, he then turned his device upon the universe itself, hoping to become a god. Instead, Libra was absorbed into the universe itself, effectively disintegrating him and spreading his essence across the cosmos;however in his March 2007 editorial, Dan Didio promised a "new and returtning" villain, Libra.

The JLA later modified the android Amazo to recover their lost powers. With Libra's treachery revealed, the original Injustice Gang dissolved, although another group later appeared using the same name.

So maybe he was semi-successful in becoming a God?

[Will.S]

Makes sense.

[Blueferret]

I'm not at all familiar with the look and design of this character, sorta reminds me of Hourman in some ways but I guess CBikle has a better reference point.

Not sure how menacing this guy could be but the art looks cool.

That's what I first thought as well. I hope it's not some villain dregged up from the 70's that no one will know.

[Tahko Tetsujin]

That's what I first thought as well. I hope it's not some villain dregged up from the 70's that no one will know.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/images/avatars/0112.jpg

HAHAHAHAHAHA

I NEVER get sick of the irony of this board.

[Sijo]

I remember Libra, he was in one of the first JLA comics I bought (in Spanish no less.) If he did merge with the universe, it would make sense for him to appear in FC... though you'd wonder why he didn't in the others.

It could be a new character (or a reboot of the old one) too.

[David Atkins]

If he was 'merged with the universe' or whatever, maybe the first Crisis and loss of the multiverse effectively sealed him away while Infinite Crisis and the return of the multiverse set him free?

[Will.S]

Looks like it is Libra, here's Dan's DC Nation thing at the end of Salvation Run #3:

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8260/ddmr3.jpg

[matt_hatyber]

i think before he merge with the universe he might of droped his machine that balances the things, and thnes ome one picked it up and startd using it

[DonC]

Wasn't that dude in the movie Mystery Men?

[Laughing Mask]

does he have anything to do with the libra from the old injustice gang?
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k4/greyshirt2/Comics/DC/Villains/002.jpg

[Will.S]

does he have anything to do with the libra from the old injustice gang?
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k4/greyshirt2/Comics/DC/Villains/002.jpg
Looks like the same guy color wise and in some sense, design wise.

[Choppa]

So dan said he/she will be the main villian at the start of countdown. What do you guys of it. what do you think he/she will be doing.

Start of Countdown. Do you mean during FInal Crisis?

[Tom]

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/images/avatars/0112.jpg

HAHAHAHAHAHA

I NEVER get sick of the irony of this board.

I don't get it. Captain Cold has appeared fairly regularly since his debut in the '50s.

[Sijo]

Note to DC comics: Marvel already has a character named Libra (Mantis' father.) In fact, they have several, one for every version of the Zodiac (4-5). at least one of them must still be valid for name copyright purposes.

[CBikle]

Note to DC comics: Marvel already has a character named Libra (Mantis' father.).

Weirdly enough, I think the Marvel version also "merged with the universe" kind of like the DC one did.

[CBikle]

does he have anything to do with the libra from the old injustice gang?
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k4/greyshirt2/Comics/DC/Villains/002.jpg

Yep, that's the guy.

[JamesJesse]

Note to DC comics: Marvel already has a character named Libra (Mantis' father.) In fact, they have several, one for every version of the Zodiac (4-5). at least one of them must still be valid for name copyright purposes.

Note to Marvel Zombie. DC has had this Libra character since before the Zodiac was created. They also have a Mantis character.

[Sijo]

Note to rude poster: First, I'm no Marvel Zombie, and second, DC's Libra appeared in a 1974 Justice League story, while Marvel's Zodiac debuted on The Avengers in 1970. Even if DC's had appeared first, they have not used the character since the 70's, so its trademark must have expired by now, while Marvel used the Zodiac as recently as last year (in New Warriors.)

[Shellhead]

Note to rude poster: First, I'm no Marvel Zombie, and second, DC's Libra appeared in a 1974 Justice League story, while Marvel's Zodiac debuted on The Avengers in 1970. Even if DC's had appeared first, they have not used the character since the 70's, so its trademark must have expired by now, while Marvel used the Zodiac as recently as last year (in New Warriors.)

You sure talk like a Marvel Zombie. Biased much?

Marvel's Mantis first appeared in Avengers #114, in 1973. DC's Mantis first appeared in Forever People #2, in 1971.

Marvel's Libra first appeared in Avengers #72, in 1970, while DC's Libra first appeared in Justice League of America #111, in 1972.

So I declare a draw. And none of these characters are important enough for anybody to sue over. Lighten up, Francis.

[Jack Zodiac]

Note to rude poster: First, I'm no Marvel Zombie, and second, DC's Libra appeared in a 1974 Justice League story, while Marvel's Zodiac debuted on The Avengers in 1970. Even if DC's had appeared first, they have not used the character since the 70's, so its trademark must have expired by now, while Marvel used the Zodiac as recently as last year (in New Warriors.)

First, the word "Libra" isn't a copyrighted name. "Superman?" "Batman?" "Spider-Man?" Those don't appear in the dictionary. "Libra?" "Pisces?" Even "Zodiac?" Real words.

On top of that, even if they bothered to copyright the name "Libra," which they haven't, that would only restrict DC from using the name of the character in a titular book. Both companies own characters named Captain Marvel, for instance, but Marvel Comics owns the copyright to the name, so while DC can use the name Captain Marvel for their character, if he stars in a comic book, it can't be titled Captain Marvel, which is why every incarnation of him since the Seventies has appear in titles like Power of Shazam or Trials of Shazam or just Shazam.

Marvel can and probably has copyrighted the character Libra, but that doesn't restrict anyone from using the name for a completely different character. The only way anyone could claim infringement for something like that is if the characters had more than superficial similarities, which besides their name the two have absolutely nothing in common considering DC's Libra only starred in two comics published over twenty-five years ago.

Now, please, settle down.

[gwor]

Hmm, how long until Wizard pumps JLA 111 as a 'hot' comic....?<g>

[matt_hatyber]

Start of Countdown. Do you mean during FInal Crisis?

aha, thank you must not of been thinking when i made the thread.



ok, so Dan didio said that Libra is a girl, but in the picture he/she look like a guy. Do you think it will be a girl or a guy?

[Joe Acro]

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8260/ddmr3.jpg


ok, so Dan didio said that Libra is a girl, but in the picture he/she look like a guy. Do you think it will be a girl or a guy?
I'll go with "guy" based on that right there.

[matt_hatyber]

I'll go with "guy" based on that right there.


in another interview he refered to him as a her. Ill try and find that interview.

[Choppa]

Is this what "Don't Worry About Countdown" meant on Rip's chalkboard??

[Sijo]

You sure talk like a Marvel Zombie. Biased much? I don't see how, I've not posted that I prefer Marvel to DC. I'm just pointing facts.

Marvel's Mantis first appeared in Avengers #114, in 1973. DC's Mantis first appeared in Forever People #2, in 1971. I wasn't talking about Mantis, except to point out who Libra is related to.

Marvel's Libra first appeared in Avengers #72, in 1970, while DC's Libra first appeared in Justice League of America #111, in 1972. So I declare a draw.
That's not a draw for legal purposes.

First, the word "Libra" isn't a copyrighted name. "Superman?" "Batman?" "Spider-Man?" Those don't appear in the dictionary. "Libra?" "Pisces?" Even "Zodiac?" Real words. That doesn't matter for copyright purposes, we're not talking about a sign but rather supervillains sharing the same name. That's too close for copyright purposes.

Lighten up, Francis.
Now, please, settle down.
You're kidding me, you think that was bad? For CBR argument standards? And how nice of you two to notice I was being rude to and gave a polite and informed response instead of going all troll on the guy. In fact it sounds like you people are being too defensive... but, I'll leave things there (regardless of any further comments) just to show I'm too mature for that kind of argument. I made my point, anyway.

[mohammedali]

Given the original was a guy, and the interview calls Libra a 'him', it's clear he's male. I wouldn't be suprised if they bring him in as a superpowerful villain that can absorb powers... Perhaps he'll be the only match against SMP, and then become an even bigger problem!

[Shellhead]

That's not a draw for legal purposes.

That doesn't matter for copyright purposes, we're not talking about a sign but rather supervillains sharing the same name. That's too close for copyright purposes.


You may find this partial list interesting. These are hero or villain names used by both Marvel and DC. See the link for the rest of the list and for details:

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=159193

Agent Axis
Aluminum
Andromeda
Angel
Anomaly
Ape
Argent
Ariel
Arsenal
Atlas
Atom Smasher/Atom-Smasher
Aurora
Barium
Barrage
Beautiful Dreamer
Black Racer
Blink
Bliss
Blizzard
Blockbuster
Bull’s Eye/Bull’s-Eye/Bullseye
Burnout
Bushmaster
Calcium
Captain Marvel
The Cat
Catman/Cat-Man
Chameleon
Changeling
Cheetah
Chimera
Claw/Klaw
Cloud
Cobalt
Cobra/Kobra
Comet (or The Comet)
Copperhead
Copycat
Crimson
Crossbones
Cyclone
Cypher
Dark Angel
Dark Rider
Darkstar
Death
The Demon
Destiny
Dinah Soar/Dyna-Soar
Dragonfly
Dr. Doom/Dr. Doome

Ready to declare a draw yet? Or do you think that DC and Marvel should both hire an army of attorneys and go to war?

[Teth-Diego]

jeez! the dude said not 2 posts up that he was done with the madness!!
let it go who cares?! three guys trolling for no apparent reason. GO CBR!!!

[botch]

You may find this partial list interesting. These are hero or villain names used by both Marvel and DC. See the link for the rest of the list and for details:

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=159193

Agent Axis
Aluminum
Andromeda
Angel
Anomaly
Ape
Argent
Ariel
Arsenal
Atlas
Atom Smasher/Atom-Smasher
Aurora
Barium
Barrage
Beautiful Dreamer
Black Racer
Blink
Bliss
Blizzard
Blockbuster
Bull’s Eye/Bull’s-Eye/Bullseye
Burnout
Bushmaster
Calcium
Captain Marvel
The Cat
Catman/Cat-Man
Chameleon
Changeling
Cheetah
Chimera
Claw/Klaw
Cloud
Cobalt
Cobra/Kobra
Comet (or The Comet)
Copperhead
Copycat
Crimson
Crossbones
Cyclone
Cypher
Dark Angel
Dark Rider
Darkstar
Death
The Demon
Destiny
Dinah Soar/Dyna-Soar
Dragonfly
Dr. Doom/Dr. Doome

Ready to declare a draw yet? Or do you think that DC and Marvel should both hire an army of attorneys and go to war?

SECRET LEGAL CRISIS

2009

[matt_hatyber]

SECRET LEGAL CRISIS

2009


ahah, i could sooooo see that happening. It would be like countdown arena. Some one gathers all the characters from dc and marvel with the same name, and puts each one in a arena to fight there countpart. Who ever wins the battle gets the rights to that name.

[octothorp]

ahah, i could sooooo see that happening. It would be like countdown arena. Some one gathers all the characters from dc and marvel with the same name, and puts each one in a arena to fight there countpart. Who ever wins the battle gets the rights to that name.

That's . . . that's, perhaps, the most intelligent thing anyone's suggested concerning copyright. Let the battles begin! And if anyone wants to sue, bring in Harvey Birdman as defense counsel.

[Tahko Tetsujin]

That doesn't matter for copyright purposes, we're not talking about a sign but rather supervillains sharing the same name. That's too close for copyright purposes.

Actually. Precedence has already been set for the opposite. Terms such as Libra and Zodiac predates copyrights and are considered common thus under fair use.

Now. It's a simple tweak that would make it able to be copyrighted such as "The Zodiac".

Even if it was copyrighted, that stuff is really easy to get around if you are a real jerk about it.

Like Marvel's Green Lantern. Totally different name same powers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Spectrum

Oh! And Buried Alien!
http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/quasar.html

It's done all the time.

[J Sin]

Hmm, first thing I thought when I saw the image was "Oh shoot, is that Piper?"

Course, I've never heard of Libra, being a newbie. But the image looked like perhaps a retooled Piper. Guess I'm way wrong though lol

[smoothjokes]

At first I thought it was Metron that killed the New Gods, but now I'm going with Libra, he was absorbed into the Universe. I have a feeling his release is what's going to cause Final Crisis, I remember when Dan said that Seven Soldiers happened a week before Infinite Crisis, I think it's going to be retconned that it happens a week after Final Crisis. I think the New Gods are going to the GM-take from the Mister Miracle book, which is cool. I'm sure the multiverse will be destroyed again and New Earth will be the only one to survive.

[NotSuper]

I'm sure the multiverse will be destroyed again and New Earth will be the only one to survive.
Actually, Didio said that they wouldn't be getting rid of it. He also hinted that we would see Earth-1 in 2009.

[Mr Blinky]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Dec07/DiDio/02/LIBRA-ad.jpg


That's not Libra! Beware...the Fire Weigher! He will weigh your fire!!! :eek:

[matt_hatyber]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Dec07/DiDio/02/LIBRA-ad.jpg


That's not Libra! Beware...the Fire Weigher! He will weigh your fire!!! :eek:


i think the flames repersent the other main villian in final crisis. Human flame.

[Timetraveller]

I love the design. It has tones of Justice Society to it. Also, is that a faint smile he has going behind the mask? What would he be smiling about, other than getting high off of his smoke there?

[Angelo2113]

I was just reading JLA 111, vol. 1 and in the beginning it shows Libra playing with a chess board with superheroes on it just like how Darksied and the Monitor are using one in Countdown.

He uses a Energy-Transmortifier to create a balance by stealing half of any universal energy form. So he used other villains to fight the heroes so he could absorb their energy. Then he tries to absorb the galaxys energy but its too much for him so his body dissolves and his mind is left wandering in space.

[tony ingram]

Actually, Didio said that they wouldn't be getting rid of it. He also hinted that we would see Earth-1 in 2009.

I thought Earth 1 was merged into New Earth? Is this the original Earth 1 or a new version like the new Earth 2, do we know?:confused:

[Paul Newell]

Nope. Earth-1 is part of the 52 and no-one knows what it is as yet. Several of the 52 Earths are still to be revealed.

[MutoMikey]

I vote for Jimmy Olsen vs. Libra!

[HulkSmash666]

I'm really hoping this Libra guy isn't the REAL big bad in Final Crisis.

This guy looks uber-lame, and I doubt his powers, beyind being some completely obscure and vague mystical power, are going to be a credible threat tothe heroes considering the likes of other villains that are involved in Final Crisis/Countdown.

Eg. Superman Prime, Monarch, the Monitors, Lord Havoc & the Extrememists, and the New God Killer.

How does this Libra bloke even rate a mention next to the likes of these guys?

[The Batman]

He tried to absorb the universe's energy and disappeared. They could spin it that the Final Crisis is the physical universe coming after the heroes if they wanted to.

[Magneto Rocks]

While Libra is a big deal, it's looking very much like Darkseid is unquestionably the big bad of Final Crisis.

Here's food for thought though, we know the following:

1. Libra is gathering an army of villains, almost certainly the cast of "Salvation Run"

2. Libra in some way represents "balance".

3. Darkseid has won the War of the Gods, meaning evil effectively rules the universe.

4. THEREFORE... the scales are now tipped towards evil. This could mean one of two things- either Libra in some way is working against Darkseid in order to create balance once again, or else because the balance has been tipped towards evil, he too has been tipped towards evil and thus it is the reason behind him gathering his army of villains.

[HaroldAllnut]

I was just reading JLA 111, vol. 1 and in the beginning it shows Libra playing with a chess board with superheroes on it just like how Darksied and the Monitor are using one in Countdown.


I'm quite excited for Libra's "re-debut" in Final Crisis, as well as the DC Universe JLA special hitting stands on May 7th.

[Pete26]

that Libra will only appear in the first arc and perhaps as a catalyst for what is set to happen throughout Final Crisis. :evilsmile