The numbers drop for Black Panther.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

A few weeks back I wondered how soon the Black Panther title would hit the 25,000 line . I thought it could last a few months longer without hitting it. Todays ICV2 numbers show that the book is shedding readers at a big rate and hit the 25,000 mark.

Thus far the book seems destined to drop below Civil War numbers for the title. Company wide crossover tie-ins , Marvel Zombies and the Storm marriage hasn't done a huge sales trick. Instead sales continue to drop.

I posted this here since I didn't want to rain on anyones parade in the other Panther thread.

http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/11939.html

The book has been shedding readers at a huge pace. In November the book moved 28,426 for issue #32

http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/11777.html


Issue 31# shows how steep the drop is as that book sold 33,673 for October's numbers.

http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/11648.html

[GalactaSurfer]

Thank you for contaning your hate to your own thread.

Question If the title is canceled are you gonna throw a party and burn an Hudlin doll in effigy?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Thank you for contaning your hate to your own thread.

Question If the title is canceled are you gonna throw a party and burn an Hudlin doll in effigy?

No I'm gonna question... why not do what many suggested in a prior BP thread... hire a hot name writer . If you wanna try and keep the title around its gonna take a new creative team basically. The rest hasn't worked.

[XPac]

That's too bad... hopefully the Secret Invasion stuff will tie in and help the book out as other cross overs have in the past.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

That's too bad... hopefully the Secret Invasion stuff will tie in and help the book out as other cross overs have in the past.

Yeah ..which will help short term. Long term though its having problems. Reminds me of Firestorm at DC. That book only survived as long as it did to #35 due to crossovers at DC.

[GalactaSurfer]

No I'm gonna question... why not do what many suggested in a prior BP thread... hire a hot name writer . If you wanna try and keep the title around its gonna take a new creative team basically. The rest hasn't worked.

I dont think there are many writers with a good vison for the Black Panther.

I know alot of fans want a Brubaker or somesuch person to come in and make it relateable to ya but that same writer will eventually alienate black readers with the same type of crap that goes on in other comics.

I dont think these writer that fans like yourself admire dont really understand how to write black characters because if that was the case we wouldnt need Hudlin to come in and do the kind of things hes done to make it appeal to black folk.

[XPac]

Yeah ..which will help short term. Long term though its having problems. Reminds me of Firestorm at DC. That book only survived as long as it did to #35 due to crossovers at DC.

True... but Cross over events are becoming a more frequent thing in comics these days. If Hudlin keeps milking it, he might be able to continue chugging along.

[Daouda]

Question If the title is canceled are you gonna throw a party and burn an Hudlin doll in effigy?

GalactaSurfer Word!:D

It's the same isht different year.

I don't need my taste to be the dominant taste of the medium, I just need my palate catered to.

More people enjoy BP every month then all of the critics on the net combined.

Next month Black Panther is getting an Annual for the first time ever!

It'a all good.:)

Excelsior!

Daoud

[DaeJi]

I know alot of fans want a Brubaker or somesuch person to come in and make it relateable to ya but that same writer will eventually alienate black readers with the same type of crap that goes on in other comics.

I dont think these writer that fans like yourself admire dont really understand how to write black characters because if that was the case we wouldnt need Hudlin to come in and do the kind of things hes done to make it appeal to black folk.

Yeah, but only appealing to black fans isn't a wise idea either. Look at Jason Rusch Firestorm; that series was excellent, and appealed to fans of every race. Hudlin is just too much of gimmick writer, and even then he's not very good at his gimmick.

As for the Panther, I personally like the character. He's like Reed Richards and Captain America rolled into one. I would love to see Hudlin go and get a better writer on this title.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I dont think there are many writers with a good vison for the Black Panther.

I know alot of fans want a Brubaker or somesuch person to come in and make it relateable to ya but that same writer will eventually alienate black readers with the same type of crap that goes on in other comics.

I dont think these writer that fans like yourself admire dont really understand how to write black characters because if that was the case we wouldnt need Hudlin to come in and do the kind of things hes done to make it appeal to black folk.


Yeah, but only appealing to black fans isn't a wise idea either. Look at Jason Rusch Firestorm; that series was excellent, and appealed to fans of every race. Hudlin is just too much of gimmick writer, and even then he's not very good at his gimmick.

As for the Panther, I personally like the character. He's like Reed Richards and Captain America rolled into one. I would love to see Hudlin go and get a better writer on this title.

Pretty much. If you hire a good writer like an Ed Brubaker he can appeal to everyone. Thats the ticket...you wanna sell as much comics as possible a month. Brubaker,Fraction or hell.... Greg Rucka...would be perfect right now.

[MakeshiftHero]

It would have really helped the BP sales and the character if they would have had him join the Illuminati's games and helped them out instead of not wanting to know anything about their group.

It still doesnt make sense to me why he would not want to join their group. A leader of one of the most advanced areas of the world doesn't want to be in the loop with what's going on with the most powerful mind in the world, king of everything in "the waters on the planet", the master of the mystic arts, and two people who could be considered to be tow of the most brilliant people on the planet. Now as far as Black Bolt goes, Inhumans stick to themselves and live on the moon, so no big loss there.

But of course BP would have joined them, it would have bettered his country and his people.

[GalactaSurfer]

Yeah, but only appealing to black fans isn't a wise idea either. Look at Jason Rusch Firestorm; that series was excellent, and appealed to fans of every race. Hudlin is just too much of gimmick writer, and even then he's not very good at his gimmick.

As for the Panther, I personally like the character. He's like Reed Richards and Captain America rolled into one. I would love to see Hudlin go and get a better writer on this title.

There are too many comic characters that appeal directly to White fans, there is a small fraction of characters that appeal to everyone, There are almost no characters the AA's or people of African decent can relate to directly. So how about you let us have one.

Now dont get me wrong i dont want peole who are not Black to not enjoy the character But you gotta realize that we had to put up with this type of thing alot longer than you have.

As for Hudlin not being a good writer.. well there are a bunch of supposedly good writers that are writing absoulte crappy stories with super star characters (im looking at you Loeb)

[Beast]

Don't worry. Secret Invasion is coming up. I'm sure we'll get another shoe-horned crossover like Civil War in order to boost sales once again now that they're falling after the last one. It's expected at this point, just like every other crossover and tie-in that the book has used since the first 6 issues.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

There are too many comic characters that appeal directly to White fans, there is a small fraction of characters that appeal to everyone, There are almost no characters the AA's or people of African decent can relate to directly. So how about you let us have one.

Now dont get me wrong i dont want peole who are not Black to not enjoy the character But you gotta realize that we had to put up with this type of thing alot longer than you have.

As for Hudlin not being a good writer.. well there are a bunch of supposedly good writers that are writing absoulte crappy stories with super star characters (im looking at you Loeb)

So let me translate this... in order for Panther to be written well as a black character he needs a black writer ? That no matter if you are a Grant Morrison , Greg Rucka , Geoff Johns or Ed Brubaker...unless they are black they shouldn't write Black Panther ?

[MakeshiftHero]

Yeah, but only appealing to black fans isn't a wise idea either. Look at Jason Rusch Firestorm; that series was excellent, and appealed to fans of every race. Hudlin is just too much of gimmick writer, and even then he's not very good at his gimmick.

As for the Panther, I personally like the character. He's like Reed Richards and Captain America rolled into one. I would love to see Hudlin go and get a better writer on this title.

I feel the same way on both points, THE PANTHER IS COOL. He IS the best of Cap and Reed put together. But as a reader who is not black, it's harder for me to enjoy the character and get more involved in him when the book ups the racial perspective as much as it does. I get the fact that he's the main flagship hero for blacks, kind of like a black "Cap/Spidey" but it would help if you don't have to be reminded of it all the time. I just wish that people everywhere would stop using race, and nationality as selling points and realize that we're all people so why not create stories that everyone would enjoy if you want to increase sales.

[DaeJi]

There are too many comic characters that appeal directly to White fans, there is a small fraction of characters that appeal to everyone, There are almost no characters the AA's or people of African decent can relate to directly. So how about you let us have one.

No. A character, a lead character, should appeal to everyone.

Now dont get me wrong i dont want peole who are not Black to not enjoy the character But you gotta realize that we had to put up with this type of thing alot longer than you have.

This "thing" isn't right, and you shouldn't want anyone to suffer it just because you have.

As for Hudlin not being a good writer.. well there are a bunch of supposedly good writers that are writing absoulte crappy stories with super star characters (im looking at you Loeb)

Every writer has had bad stories, and other writers are past their prime and don't realize it yet. Still, Hudlin is just not a good writer. I actually want to see BP succeed. I think he's a great character with tons of potential. I don't want Hudlin gone because he makes T'Challa "too black," I want him gone because I don't think he's good for the characters future.

[GalactaSurfer]

Pretty much. If you hire a good writer like an Ed Brubaker he can appeal to everyone. Thats the ticket...you wanna sell as much comics as possible a month. Brubaker,Fraction or hell.... Greg Rucka...would be perfect right now.

I like Bru i really do... but he set Falcon on fire for no good reason and he totally ignored Preist Cap/Falcon run.

Besides Bru i dont trust any of those writers with BP.

[XPac]

There are too many comic characters that appeal directly to White fans, there is a small fraction of characters that appeal to everyone, There are almost no characters the AA's or people of African decent can relate to directly. So how about you let us have one.

Now dont get me wrong i dont want peole who are not Black to not enjoy the character But you gotta realize that we had to put up with this type of thing alot longer than you have.

As for Hudlin not being a good writer.. well there are a bunch of supposedly good writers that are writing absoulte crappy stories with super star characters (im looking at you Loeb)

I don't see it that way.

I'm not white, but I totally related to Peter Parker on a gazillion different levels.

If people could only relate to characters of their color, then imagine how hard it would be for people of minority who aren't black? Cause if you think about it, there are FAR more black high profile characters than there are chinesse, mexican, or middle eastern. From that context, one could argue AA have it made comparatively speaking.

But again, that only applies if you only look at skin color.

[Beast]

I like Bru i really do... but he set Falcon on fire for no good reason and he totally ignored Preist Cap/Falcon run.

Besides Bru i dont trust any of those writers with BP.
How about a black writer that doesn't make everything about race?

Dwayne McDuffie or Kevin Grevioux?

Not that skin color has anything to do with how well someone writes a character.

[DaeJi]

How about a black writer that doesn't make everything about race?

Dwayne McDuffie or Kevin Grevioux?

Not that skin color has anything to do with how well someone writes a character.

I like McDuffie. I would give a BP series from him a chance.

[GalactaSurfer]

I don't see it that way.

I'm not white, but I totally related to Peter Parker on a gazillion different levels.

If people could only relate to characters of their color, then imagine how hard it would be for people of minority who aren't black? Cause if you think about it, there are FAR more black high profile characters than there are chinesse, mexican, or middle eastern. From that context, one could argue AA have it made comparatively speaking.

But again, that only applies if you only look at skin color.

Its a factor of culture rather than skin color. The culture varies and many comic heroes dont represent the culture of anything outside of middle American anglos

[XPac]

I like McDuffie. I would give a BP series from him a chance.

An arguement can be made that his FF book was kind of a BP book. That had it's share of criticism as well... though not necessarily for the same reasons.

[drwho]

What I think would be an interesting story and I dont know if it has been done before, but Tchalla falls out of power and he creates an underground rebellion within Wakanda and they try to take back the country.

[Beast]

An arguement can be made that his FF book was kind of a BP book. That had it's share of criticism as well... though not necessarily for the same reasons.
I'd take Black Panther chokeholding the Marvel Universe over 'Whitey Is Evil' anyday.

[pariah-1972]

We should get Barack Obama to write it !

[DaeJi]

An arguement can be made that his FF book was kind of a BP book. That had it's share of criticism as well... though not necessarily for the same reasons.

I've liked his run overall. Aside from the stupid arm bar, he wrote a good FF with the Panther and Storm. It did carry a sense that it was a placeholder though, but I fault that more with the announcement that Miller and Hitch are coming on than the writing. Still, he's a good writer who does good work.

[Beast]

We should get Barack Obama to write it !
He should team with Bill Clinton. After Obama certifies him as black.

[XPac]

Its a factor of culture rather than skin color. The culture varies and many comic heroes dont represent the culture of anything outside of middle American anglos

Maybe.

Still, ask yourself this... would the average minority american have an easier time relating to a down on his luck guy trying to find a job like Peter Parker, or an African King?

I can't answer that question for anyone else, but for me it's a slam dunk. I can create far more parallels between my life and Peter Parkers than BP's. Not to say that I don't love the character... but I can't say I relate to him either.

The problem with BP is this... he's an African King. In order for Hudlin to write him as more relatable, he chooses NOT to write him that way. And I think that's one of the reasons people are put off by his interpretaion of the character. Hudlin writes him like an african american... which is nice in a way since it makes him more relatable to african american readers. But he's NOT an African American... he's an African king and he a lot of the time doesn't sound or act that way. Course, that's just my opinion.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I'd take Black Panther chokeholding the Marvel Universe over 'Whitey Is Evil' anyday.

My friend in my LCS always gets a kick from that scene where Panther put Silver Surfer in a wrestling hold. Because its so silly . In his words...


"Isn't the Surfer a guy who wields the Power Cosmic and could likely kick Panther's ass as easy as cracking his knuckles ?"

;)

[GalactaSurfer]

Funny how I keep hearing that Tchalla losing his possion as king as an interesting story.

That exactly the reason why Hudlin works on this title he wont let stupid stuff like that happen.

He may not be the best writer out there but he writes entertaining stories and wont play himself or the character to appease fanboyz

[MakeshiftHero]

He should team with Bill Clinton. After Obama certifies him as black.

Well the man can dance and plays a mean sax.

[XPac]

I've liked his run overall. Aside from the stupid arm bar, he wrote a good FF with the Panther and Storm. It did carry a sense that it was a placeholder though, but I fault that more with the announcement that Miller and Hitch are coming on than the writing. Still, he's a good writer who does good work.

That's fair. McDuffie really is a good fun comic book writer (even though I did have some issues with his FF book).

If Hudlin were to not write the BP book, McDuffie would definately be a logical choice. And I do think his potrayals of Storm and BP were a lot of fun. The character interaction was definately the strong point of his FF run.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Funny how I keep hearing that Tchalla losing his possion as king as an interesting story.

That exactly the reason why Hudlin works on this title he wont let stupid stuff like that happen.

He may not be the best writer out there but he writes entertaining stories and wont play himself or the character to appease fanboyz

Yeah who wants a character to suffer some so anyone gets a payoff and may pick up the book to read that. Screw that.... mystical magic frogs it is !

[bluezulu]

Groan the number watchers again. See yall in a few weeks for the annual.:rolleyes:

[pariah-1972]

I wonder if Hudlin will cry racism if he gets taken off the title...

[Beast]

I wonder if Hudlin will cry racism if he gets taken off the title...
I'm sure his fans will. Just like everytime something bad happens to a black character.

Regardless of how so much bad stuff happens to white characters all the time. Heh.

[XPac]

Funny how I keep hearing that Tchalla losing his possion as king as an interesting story.

That exactly the reason why Hudlin works on this title he wont let stupid stuff like that happen.

He may not be the best writer out there but he writes entertaining stories and wont play himself or the character to appease fanboyz

As long as BP eventually gets his throne back, I think that's actually a nice story.

Because it actually justifies making the story Wakanda centric, which is something that's very very rare in the BP book quite frankly. And it brings in some of the more political elements to the book that I at least think worked quite well in Priests run.

It's not unlike how Cap occasionally found himself on the opposite end of the US government. Taking something away from a character creates the drama of him or her fighting to get it back.

[Beast]

Yeah who wants a character to suffer some so anyone gets a payoff and may pick up the book to read that. Screw that.... mystical magic frogs it is !
Exactly. Isn't the whole point of the Marvel Universe supposed to be 'Heroes With Problems'. Look at all the crap that characters in other books go through all the time. Spider-Man especially. It's because people have an emotional attachment to these characters. If they're always safe and happy, what's the point.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Groan the number watchers again. See yall in a few weeks for the annual.:rolleyes:

Will it sell as low as the regular series ?

I wonder if Hudlin will cry racism if he gets taken off the title...

Actually being honest.... I do think the earlier idea to get a Barack Obama to write the comic would be good. He's charsimatic ...he speaks to young people and has helped pull voters in. Its a distant unlikely dream but if Marvel ever got Obama to write a Black Panther story it would be something to read.

[bluezulu]

The scene from Young Avengers Presents 1 reminded me of the fanboy arguments about race from this forum. Eli just talking about race in his paper set the guys off in the classroom much like the reaction from some of you here. Also that showed me the talent at Marvel is paying attention and can see that the race hangups is the problems of fanboys.

25k buy this book at least every month. It has shown real consistency for a niche character the same way spider girl has. I am confident that we will enjoy a long run on this book and if not. Hey I will enjoy the issues I do have just like Priest run.

Looking for the cancellation of a book you don't read from a character you don't like?>>>>>>>>>>> mad suspect

not going to lie. Superwhych of what ever your name is it kind of sound like you are semi aroused looking for this title to be canceled. What is that about?

[Beast]

I say get Steven Colbert to write it. He doesn't see race after all. :D

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Exactly. Isn't the whole point of the Marvel Universe supposed to be 'Heroes With Problems'. Look at all the crap that characters in other books go through all the time. Spider-Man especially. It's because people have an emotional attachment to these characters. If they're always safe and happy, what's the point.

Exactly. DC makes their heroes suffer. Batman had his back broken. He's lost people . In Infinite Crisis he is at his most depressed and down. Things are going f'n wrong . But he rallies himself and pushes himself onward.

Thats what readers want. They want the hero to suffer some. To have problems in Marvel and DC. Then overcome that and show why their heroes.

[GalactaSurfer]

Maybe.

Still, ask yourself this... would the average minority american have an easier time relating to a down on his luck guy trying to find a job like Peter Parker, or an African King?

I can't answer that question for anyone else, but for me it's a slam dunk. I can create far more parallels between my life and Peter Parkers than BP's. Not to say that I don't love the character... but I can't say I relate to him either.

The problem with BP is this... he's an African King. In order for Hudlin to write him as more relatable, he chooses NOT to write him that way. And I think that's one of the reasons people are put off by his interpretaion of the character. Hudlin writes him like an african american... which is nice in a way since it makes him more relatable to african american readers. But he's NOT an African American... he's an African king and he a lot of the time doesn't sound or act that way. Course, that's just my opinion.

I dont think AA's wanna be attached to being down on their luck in a comic book. We want our power fantasy thats not diluted by a white writer. we want to be in control and shown as powerful for some reason people have a problem wih that.

BP being writen as an AA is a problem? When there are alien races that are all too similar to European cultures and talk like Anglos.

[bluezulu]

This is a flame thread Im going to ask the mod to close it I feel a bad vibe coming from some posters like they are trying to start something.

I sent a pm to the mod. What is up with the obama comment? This thread was made obviously to flame those who had participated in the bp appreciation thread since it was too positive for some taste. Close this thread.

[MakeshiftHero]

I dont think AA's wanna be attached to being down on their luck in a comic book.

BP being writen as an AA is a problem? When there are alien races that are all too similar to European cultures and talk like Anglos.

I think people from alcoholics anonymous wouldnt want to be in a "down on their luck" book. They already have problems of their own, why read about it.

This is a flame thread Im going to ask the mod to close it I feel a bad vibe coming from some posters like they are trying to start something.
Yeah it's pretty easy to do just for kicks.

[Beast]

This is a flame thread Im going to ask the mod to close it I feel a bad vibe coming from some posters like they are trying to start something.

I sent a pm to the mod. What is up with the obama comment? This thread was made obviously to flame those who had participated in the bp appreciation thread since it was too positive for some taste. Close this thread.
Did you watch the debates? They asked Obama if Bill Clinton was the first black President. :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzkJGJaR7bw

[DaeJi]

Looking for the cancellation of a book you don't read from a character you don't like?>>>>>>>>>>> mad suspect

Here's the thing: everyone in this thread likes T'Challa. In fact, they like him so much that they want to see Hudlin get booted from the title so that it will be good so that they can actually enjoy reading the character.

[XPac]

I dont think AA's wanna be attached to being down on their luck in a comic book. We want our power fantasy thats not diluted by a white writer. we want to be in control and shown as powerful for some reason people have a problem wih that.

BP being writen as an AA is a problem? When there are alien races that are all too similar to European cultures and talk like Anglos.

I think BP being written that way is a problem, because he now talks and acts differently from how he was written in the past. It feels like a different character.

It's kind of like Millars Captain America during CW. Millar in some ways may have made Cap more down to earth and relatable, but he didn't feel like the Cap we knew before. It was a case of the writer deciding that he wanted to potray the character differently... and that can often antagonize the previous fanbase. Which is happening with Hudlin right now... there are reasons a lot of fans don't like Hudlins take on the character.

But if some of the BP fans want a character that's more in control and in power, I'd recommend looking over at DC because Marvel will regularly screw over their characters. That's just part of the formula... they get knocked down and struggle to get back up again. To oversimplify things, I almost think Priest BP felt more like a marvel character, while Hudlin's feels more like a DC one.

[bluezulu]

Here's the thing: everyone in this thread likes T'Challa. In fact, they like him so much that they want to see Hudlin get booted from the title so that it will be good so that they can actually enjoy reading the character.

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Not buying it. This is e-bullying at it's finest/worsr. A guy starts a positive bp thread and thene some detractors come in in an attempt to derail the thread. The thread starter remarked that he wanted it to stay positive if I am not mistaken and then this thread pops up with barak obama write comics with bill clinton jokes. This is a hostil virtual environment. What this tells me that only certain posters are welcomed here to post and talk about characters that appeal to them and others are not.

Close this thread.

[DaeJi]

This is a flame thread Im going to ask the mod to close it I feel a bad vibe coming from some posters like they are trying to start something.

I sent a pm to the mod. What is up with the obama comment? This thread was made obviously to flame those who had participated in the bp appreciation thread since it was too positive for some taste. Close this thread.

This isn't a flame thread, no one is attacking each other. This is a debate thread.

[Beast]

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Not buying it. This is e-bullying at it's finest/worsr. A guy starts a positive bp thread and thene some detractors come in in an attempt to derail the thread. The thread starter remarked that he wanted it to stay positive if I am not mistaken and then this thread pops up with barak obama write comics with bill clinton jokes. This is a hostil virtual environment. What this tells me that only certain posters are welcomed here to post and talk about characters that appeal to them and others are not.

Close this thread.
Man, you have no sense of humor what so ever do you?

Did you check the You Tube link? There's a reason for the Obama and Clinton jokes.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

not going to lie. Superwhych of what ever your name is it kind of sound like you are semi aroused looking for this title to be canceled. What is that about?

Hmmm different creative teams means canceled again... weird. Maybe this is the new term for Death in Marvel. Ya know.... dying means going to Europe. To BP fans new creative team means CANCEL.

Actually I get aroused beyond comics dying. Strange I know...I look at women and that happens. Storm and Panther don't turn me on ....damn.

I say get Steven Colbert to write it. He doesn't see race after all. :D

Colbert !! Colbert!! Colbert !!

[XPac]

This is a flame thread Im going to ask the mod to close it I feel a bad vibe coming from some posters like they are trying to start something.

I sent a pm to the mod. What is up with the obama comment? This thread was made obviously to flame those who had participated in the bp appreciation thread since it was too positive for some taste. Close this thread.

This is a thread about the BP books sales falling.

No offense, but a BP supporter should know coming in that they'll get a bad vibe going in.

[GalactaSurfer]

I think BP being written that way is a problem, because he now talks and acts differently from how he was written in the past. It feels like a different character.

It's kind of like Millars Captain America during CW. Millar in some ways may have made Cap more down to earth and relatable, but he didn't feel like the Cap we knew before. It was a case of the writer deciding that he wanted to potray the character differently... and that can often antagonize the previous fanbase. Which is happening with Hudlin right now... there are reasons a lot of fans don't like Hudlins take on the character.

But if some of the BP fans want a character that's more in control and in power, I'd recommend looking over at DC because Marvel will regularly screw over their characters. That's just part of the formula... they get knocked down and struggle to get back up again. To oversimplify things, I almost think Priest BP felt more like a marvel character, while Hudlin's feels more like a DC one.

I understand what your saying about Marvel charcater have problems and all and i agree, thats why im a marvel zombie. But Black characters have gotten a raw deal for all of their comic existance (with some exceptions) so this is a nice change of pace.

[bluezulu]

Man, you have no sense of humor what so ever do you?

Did you check the You Tube link? There's a reason for the Obama and Clinton jokes.

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Since the first issue you have admitted to not buying reading or liking this book however every negative bp thread there is you are ready to chime in. Kind of disturbing actually because every other thread I have read you posting in you come off funny and helpful like in your weekly release posting.

But bro big diffrence in laughing with some one and laughing at some one, or in your mission againt bp/reggie hudlin against some one. Never understood your beef when you have no ties what so ever with this book.

[Excelsior]

This is like those one of those anti-Exiles threads. And to my Delight CC's New Exiles #1 sold out.

I at least read the books I Critique if you asked half of those who have commented on this thread what they hate about the current run of BP they wouldnt know what to say. They havent read the book since issue four. Besides, A Black Panther Appreciation Thread will be around regardless if the book gets cancelled or not. I like the character that much. I do find it strange that the critics havent said one thing they like about BP, yet claim themselves fans.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

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Not buying it. This is e-bullying at it's finest/worsr. A guy starts a positive bp thread and thene some detractors come in in an attempt to derail the thread. The thread starter remarked that he wanted it to stay positive if I am not mistaken and then this thread pops up with barak obama write comics with bill clinton jokes. This is a hostil virtual environment. What this tells me that only certain posters are welcomed here to post and talk about characters that appeal to them and others are not.

Close this thread.

Nahhhh no ones insulting or calling each other names... my arousal isn't as .... whoops...:p

[XPac]

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Not buying it. This is e-bullying at it's finest/worsr. A guy starts a positive bp thread and thene some detractors come in in an attempt to derail the thread. The thread starter remarked that he wanted it to stay positive if I am not mistaken and then this thread pops up with barak obama write comics with bill clinton jokes. This is a hostil virtual environment. What this tells me that only certain posters are welcomed here to post and talk about characters that appeal to them and others are not.

Close this thread.

If you feel it's a hostile enviroment, don't go into the thread.

Someone starts a pro-thread, and when the detractors show up they are asked to leave (which is understandable). THe detractors create their own thread, and you come into it and ask that it be closed.

It does sound like only certain posters are welcome... but you're doing the exact same thing. Either there are 2 seperat threads, or this one and the pro-thread should be merged. You can't have it both ways.

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I feel a bad vibe . . .Yeah, me too.

Okay, folks. Here's the thing. "Ha-ha, a book I dislike is failing and the writer should be fired" (and, SuperE, that was what the message amounted to) is not particularly conducive to civil conversation. Especially when you should know, from experience, exactly what type of argument will ensue. Just from looking at the thread title and the first post, I knew who would be posting, what they'd be saying, and how irritated I'd get about the whole thing. And I can't imagine I'm the only one.

And, indeed, we've seen the warning signs of impending thread collapse we've all come to recognize over the past months. So . . . we're closed.

Look, If someone wants to actually start a thread for seriously debating the merits and flaws of Hudlin's BLACK PANTHER, feel free. Those have been known to actually turn out okay. But I'd appreciate it if everyone involved could try not to fall into the old, bad patterns that I know you're all aware of.

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Someone starts a pro-thread, and when the detractors show up they are asked to leave (which is understandable). The detractors create their own thread, and you come into it and ask that it be closed."Pro" threads tend not to be deliberately antagonistic.