Do you think they'll bring back the reboot Legion?

[Ben Fox]

I miss that team and the newer characters that came from it, like XS, Shikari and Gates. I don't know why they had to restart them again.

[rick]

Having grown-up with the original version of the team, I can sympathize.

Still I think we've had enough reboots and reworkings of the team for awhile.

Personally I think I am happier with Shooters new approach of clear, well thought out personalities, motivation and plot.

[Ben Fox]

I haven't really gotten too much into the latest version. I picked up the trade for the first seven issues, but I just didn't like it.

[rick]

I haven't really gotten too much into the latest version. I picked up the trade for the first seven issues, but I just didn't like it.

Honestly I didn't think that the new series was actually not all that good until the return of classic Legion writer Jim Shooter last issue.

You might want to check an issue out.

[Zero Hunter]

They have been dropping hints for a while now about something called "The Legion of 3 Worlds" story in the Lightning Saga/Action Legion stories. The general thought is that it will be a big Legion story involving the pre/reboot/waidboot Legions. The characters have mentioned it but don't reallu seem to remember what actully happened so it must have been in the LS/Action Legions past, but in the other teams futures. So I think we will see them at least in that story when they get around to putting it out. With this year being the 50th aniversery of the Legion I would say we should see or hear something before the end of the year.

[Zero Hunter]

I haven't really gotten too much into the latest version. I picked up the trade for the first seven issues, but I just didn't like it.

I think issues 37 and 38 were alot better than most of Waids whole run. It actully feels like I am reading the Legion of Super Heroes again and not a group of bratty kids pretending to be the Legion.

[Ben Fox]

That might be cool. There was just way too much cool stuff going on in the Legion series after LL and LW, it's a shame they just tossed it all away just to start a new series. Why did they even restart it again, anyway?

[Matthew E]

I hope they do bring them back, in some way that allows for more future use. The more I read and reread, the more I come to believe that DnA's run on the reboot Legion was as good as Legion storytelling ever got, and it'd be a shame never to see them again. I understand why DC rebooted them to Waid's version, but from an artistic point of view it was neither necessary nor desirable.

[Paul Newell]

That might be cool. There was just way too much cool stuff going on in the Legion series after LL and LW, it's a shame they just tossed it all away just to start a new series. Why did they even restart it again, anyway?
No matter the quality of the stories, DnA's run didn't raise sales. They tried starting with a new #1 and it didn't work, they tried adding Superboy and it didn't work, then DnA announced they were leaving anyway, so DC decided to try something more radical.

[lazlo_toth]

Having grown-up with the original version of the team, I can sympathize.

Still I think we've had enough reboots and reworkings of the team for awhile.

Personally I think I am happier with Shooters new approach of clear, well thought out personalities, motivation and plot.


Hear, hear! It's nice to see that somebody can come in and make this new Legion, which never seemed quite right to me, feel like the Levitz days of the 80s without rebooting or retconning or any of that hogwash. Shooter just went in and did it with the pieces he had at hand.

That being said, I think we're going to find out that there's more than one Legion in the multiverse...

[Kid Kyoto]

Which reboot?

If you're talking the Five Year Gap 1989 reboot Legion then heck yeah!

Otherwise they're all fake legions and can go climb a rope :)

[Matthew E]

No matter the quality of the stories, DnA's run didn't raise sales. They tried starting with a new #1 and it didn't work, they tried adding Superboy and it didn't work, then DnA announced they were leaving anyway, so DC decided to try something more radical.


No, it did work. Up to a point. If you look at the sales charts, everything after DnA took over sold more than the stuff before they took over. Just wasn't enough for DC, I guess.

[Ben Fox]

Which reboot?

If you're talking the Five Year Gap 1989 reboot Legion then heck yeah!

Otherwise they're all fake legions and can go climb a rope :)


I thought that was the worst rendition of the Legion. :(

[Paul Newell]

No, it did work. Up to a point. If you look at the sales charts, everything after DnA took over sold more than the stuff before they took over. Just wasn't enough for DC, I guess.
They had spikes, but the most they were able to add regularly was 6000 extra readers.

[HaroldAllnut]

That might be cool. There was just way too much cool stuff going on in the Legion series after LL and LW, it's a shame they just tossed it all away just to start a new series. Why did they even restart it again, anyway?

BOTH big companies need to learn that consistently restarting series is NOT repeat NOT the way to go.

I'm confused. So the Legion in the current LOSH series written by Jim Shooter is different from the Legion featured in Action Comics written by Geoff Johns? What about the Starman from JSA? Which JSA is he from?:confused:

[Denny Colt]

Hear, hear! It's nice to see that somebody can come in and make this new Legion, which never seemed quite right to me, feel like the Levitz days of the 80s without rebooting or retconning or any of that hogwash. Shooter just went in and did it with the pieces he had at hand.

That being said, I think we're going to find out that there's more than one Legion in the multiverse...

I concur with your sentiment. Some of us are old guys who can remember reboot upon reboot of our various favourite comics. I have to say that the best re-workings are usually not reboots, but done by writers who work with what they are given, emphasize things that exicte them, downplay things that don't (without saying they never happened), and pulling together weird little bits of the character's history in new and interesting ways. I'm glad they didn't choose to start over with the Legion (yet again!). Some liked Waid's version, some didn't (I have made no bones about the fact that I enjoyed it thoroughly), but I'm not against seeing someone else take things in a new direction. I don't believe that writers need to "write-off" each others' work in order for their own work to succeed. The best writers build on what came before in their own unique way.

Here endeth the sermon.

[Samurai]

BOTH big companies need to learn that consistently restarting series is NOT repeat NOT the way to go.

I'm confused. So the Legion in the current LOSH series written by Jim Shooter is different from the Legion featured in Action Comics written by Geoff Johns? What about the Starman from JSA? Which JSA is he from?:confused:

Starman is from the Lightning Saga version of the Legion, which is based on the classic Legion.

That is a different team than the one in the Legion title, currently being written by Shooter.

The Legion in Action Comics is from 10 years in the future, when the Legion has grown up and Earth has a red sun. The Legion seems to be an older version of the Lightning Saga/classic Legion, but there are changes because of the 10 year time gap, so it's not definite which version they descended from, so to speak.

[Zero Hunter]

The Legion in the Legion of Super Heroes book is supposed to be from the future of the current DCU Earth. It is the one that Waid started 3 years ago and Shooter just took over.

The Legion from the Lightning Saga/Action Comics stories are supposed to be the orginal Legion, but with a slightly altered history. The spot where things seem to change is right after the first Crisis. It is hard to say how much of the history of that Legion is the same after that. It does not seem to include anything past the Levitz run or even if it has all of that. The Giffen run is out though it seems.

I am not sure where Samuri is getting a 10 year gap though. The Lightning Saga and Action team are the same group and there has only been about 6 or so months between stories acording to Dawnstar and Collosal Boy in the first part of "Superman and the Legion of Super Heroes".

[Matthew E]

The Legion from the Lightning Saga/Action Comics stories are supposed to be the orginal Legion, but with a slightly altered history. The spot where things seem to change is right after the first Crisis. It is hard to say how much of the history of that Legion is the same after that. It does not seem to include anything past the Levitz run or even if it has all of that. The Giffen run is out though it seems.

Largely true, although some of the changes Johns introduced seem to predate Crisis on Infinite Earths and even extend right back into the Legion's history. And
if there's anything left of post-Crisis Legion continuity left in there, I'll be surprised; I think the last 3+ years of Levitz's run was cut right out of Johns's new branch on the tree of Legion continuity.

[Zero Hunter]

I think some of Levitzs run was defiently cut too. Hard to say what though. If I had to guess I would think the cut point might right before the Death of Super Boy story in issue 37 of the Levitz run. Since for them the pocket universe Superboy was not their Superboy with Kal taking his place back in the history. I think most everything before that still fits in pretty neatly really. That would explain why Projectra was using the Sensor Girl look in LS too.

[Ben Fox]

Would they remember that Superboy, though? I thought he was erased from their memories after Valor killed the Time Trapper.

[Matthew E]

Yeah, but none of that (with Mon-El and the Time Trapper and everything) ever happened to Johns's Legion.

Superman said himself that the last time he saw the Legion was during Crisis on Infinite Earths. But in the actual Legion series, he saw them again just a couple of issues after Crisis, when they needed him to come to the future and help out Mon-El. So I guess that didn't happen either, to Johns's Legion.

[Ben Fox]

Oh yah, that's right. Darn DC and their screwy continuity!