Black Panther Appreciation

[Excelsior]

I know there is another Black Panther Thread--reviewing Issue #33, but I felt like an appreciation thread could carry on the dialogue of the character through congruent issues and beyond.

As a few of my friends have discussed the future of the series, we concluded that one of the hardest endeavors would be to give the Panther a unique voice yet one that could be universally understood. A warrior King, of a technologically advanced society. It should read like King Conan meets Bladerunner or Star Wars. I think the book should expand upon the Wakandan society lifting the veil so to speak, so that us the reader can learn more of its peoples and customs. Like Namor, and Doom, we can learn a lot about T'Challa through the rule of his citizens ala' King Solomon, or David.



The future?? My God, Alan Davis draws a beautiful STORM
COVER BY: ALAN DAVIS
WRITER: REGINALD HUDLIN
PENCILS: FRANCIS PORTELA
LETTERED BY: VC - CORY PETIT

THE STORY:
BACK TO AFRICA, PART 2
Back in Wakanda, the Royal Couple’s troubles continue, as one of T’Challa’s greatest foes makes his power move.
Rated T+ …$2.99


http://marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/0408/BLAP036.jpg

[SquidSquod]

Well, it'd be better if Storm and BP are sitting together, or BP stands while Storm sits.

[Greg Anderson]

Are you serious? A Black Panther Appreciation Thread?!?!













Hell yeah!! Sign me up!!!! :D :cool:

[Excelsior]

Well, it'd be better if Storm and BP are sitting together, or BP stands while Storm sits.

What if Storm assumed the Mantle of Black Panther for a story arc. While lets just say T'challa was MIA, due to a run in with a rebel faction of Wakandan invaders- think Sudan.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Lemme first preface my comments by excluding anything Hudlin's written with regards to the character...

Erik Killmonger=awesome.

Evil Hand puppets=Rule

Whupping the FF out of the gate=Utterly awesome

And in general, when done right, Panther's an awesome reverse on the typical 'noble savage' routine, kinda like Batgirl/Cassandra Cain. Like Tarzan, Panther's relative isolation has made him perfectly centered. Unlike Tarzan, Panther perfectly understands the nuance of the 'outside' world. Hell, with T'Challa's intelligence, he owns the outside world! ;)

[GalactaSurfer]

Yea! Black Panther needs a decent thread.

The Stories have been entertaining and there has been ton of great moments... so ya i enjoy the comic :D

What i'd like to see in this title is some new supporting characters and some side side stories of the people of Wakanda and maybe a story where BP is expanding his power.

Oh and more Storm-centric stories like her making her own wakandan mutant team.

[Hatut Zeraze]

I think the book should expand upon the Wakandan society lifting the veil so to speak, so that us the reader can learn more of its peoples and customs. Like Namor, and Doom, we can learn a lot about T'Challa through the rule of his citizens ala' King Solomon, or David.



Before you read this, please keep in mind I am not reading the current series, so take this with whatever grain of salt you feel is necessary.

I'm not sure I am for revealing more of the secrets of Wakandan culture and law. I think the more we, the readers, are kept in the dark, the easier it is for me to buy into the idea that most of the rest of the Marvel Universe is also in the dark about what goes on in Wakanda.

With his own series, maybe it is inevitable that this kind of thing gets explored, but I hope that is minimalized.

[Brian M.]

Edit: Nevermind

[bluedmighty]

GREAT thread. :D

That cover is FLAME!!!!

I am reading the current series and I think it's been great. I have few complaints, and fewer gripes.

What I would like to see is the development of Wakanda as a nation.

A few secrets and Techno goodies could be dropped on us every now and then, but I think it would be cool to see Wakanda as a country with people and not necessarily a Kingdom with subjects.

I would like to know more about the royall family and their connection to the Panther God.

Speaking of the Panther God, it would be nice to see a sort of Pantheon develop to tell us more about the Panther God.

Are their other Animal Gods in Africa with Champions?

I'd would like to see what day to day life in wakanda is like for one of its citizens. Do they work? What kind of jobs do they do? How do they get to work as they don't use fossil fuels? Does Wakanda have a standing military?
Do they have any unique weaponry? etc. etc.

For all intents and purposes Wakanda could be an unexplored alien planet and civilization.

Oh,

And a VILLAIN!!!!!

A hero is only as good as his Arch bad guy.

[GalactaSurfer]

GREAT thread. :D

That cover is FLAME!!!!

I am reading the current series and I think it's been great. I have few complaints, and fewer gripes.

What I would like to see is the development of Wakanda as a nation.

A few secrets and Techno goodies could be dropped on us every now and then, but I think it would be cool to see Wakanda as a country with people and not necessarily a Kingdom with subjects.

I would like to know more about the royall family and their connection to the Panther God.

Speaking of the Panther God, it would be nice to see a sort of Pantheon develop to tell us more about the Panther God.

Are their other Animal Gods in Africa with Champions?

I'd would like to see what day to day life in wakanda is like for one of its citizens. Do they work? What kind of jobs do they do? How do they get to work as they don't use fossil fuels? Does Wakanda have a standing military?
Do they have any unique weaponry? etc. etc.

For all intents and purposes Wakanda could be an unexplored alien planet and civilization.

Oh,

And a VILLAIN!!!!!

A hero is only as good as his Arch bad guy.

Yeah I was on Wiki a while back and remember some thing about a lion god who possessed a wakandan or something. Seem like a cool idea he'd be Like an African Thor.

[Sanctus]

BP needs to have a dual focus. On one hand, it should be a political book like Captain America and Iron Man. The story lines should focus on a number of threats to the throne (i.E. BP ) and to Wakanda as a whole (have people trying to take over the country). For the latter, I could see a rogue cell of Atlanteans (now that they have been dispersed) seeking to turn Wakanda into a base of operations. At the same time, more Mutants (the few that are left) should be seeking a home in Wakanda since it has a Mutant Queen. I know the X-Verse is kind of separated from the rest of MU, but with Storm as queen, mutants and their struggles should play a decent role in the BP comic via Wakanda as a sanctuary. Similarly, since BP was against registration, if the SHRA holds up post Secret Invasion, wakanda should become a home base for many unregistered superheroes bringing it into tension with the U.S. and SHIELD.

As to threats to the throne, Killmonger should link with Niganda and try turning a few members of the extended royal family against BP while the Niganda army makes overatures of war supported by the U.S and Europe.

Additionally BP, Storm, Nezho and some other heroes (potentially Tigra, Living Lightning and Red Lotus) should take on global threats.

[gorthon616]

As a few of my friends have discussed the future of the series, we concluded that one of the hardest endeavors would be to give the Panther a unique voice yet one that could be universally understood. A warrior King, of a technologically advanced society. It should read like King Conan meets Bladerunner or Star Wars. I think the book should expand upon the Wakandan society lifting the veil so to speak, so that us the reader can learn more of its peoples and customs. Like Namor, and Doom, we can learn a lot about T'Challa through the rule of his citizens ala' King Solomon, or David.

That sounds pretty neat.

Wakanda definitely needs to shift away from its isolationist stand point though (in terms of story character development). If only because as such he'll always just be a fringe character. I wouldn't mind him playing a opposite to Namor (sorry I'm too much of a Doom nut to have him be a foil to him). Namor is hot-tempered and passionate and more spontaneous, whereas Black Panther (as is my understanding) is always cool-tempered and with a plan.

[bluedmighty]

That sounds pretty neat.

Wakanda definitely needs to shift away from its isolationist stand point though (in terms of story character development). If only because as such he'll always just be a fringe character. I wouldn't mind him playing a opposite to Namor (sorry I'm too much of a Doom nut to have him be a foil to him). Namor is hot-tempered and passionate and more spontaneous, whereas Black Panther (as is my understanding) is always cool-tempered and with a plan.

This could be interesting, especially given what's happened to Atlantis, and the fact that Namor is now a guest of DOOM. :evilsmile

[Daouda]

I appreciate the current Black Panther series as it resulted in me reading comics on a regular basis for the first time in years!

My first post to this forum, and most subsequent ones, was in response to a BP thread.

Needless to say, I love the character as he is currently portrayed.

T'Challa With pride and dignity, a righteous king, a black man running isht smoothly and confidently while suffering no fools. The easiest way to describe the character is 'noble'.

Wakanda, a beautiful land filled with beautiful people sort of like Asgard or Attilan but much more human.

Ororo, great addtion to the book. I think that she and T'Challa look perfect together. It's interesting it took 30 years for her American grandparents to be looked for but I'm glad it was in BP because I love them also.

Loved the "Katrina" issues, loved the Black Knights rap in issue 4 and loved seeing T'Challa mush 'Emma' and 'Scott' in the face in issue 32.:evilsmile

Damn, didn't mean to go this long. :D

Anyway, Black Panther forever!:)


Excelsior!

Daoud

[gorthon616]

This could be interesting, especially given what's happened to Atlantis, and the fact that Namor is now a guest of DOOM. :evilsmile

I thought he gave himself up to the FF in The Order? (yes, I know that he went to doom at the end of his mini, but I thought the The Order appearance post-dated his mini end).

Character-wise I think they are prefect foils to each other to bring out the best of each other. Story-wise though I can't really think of a good non-arbitrary reason for them to go at each other. The best arbitrary reason is that while in captivity to the FF he struggles and BP gets dragged into it.

[ANewHope]

I just wanted to say that I've been enjoying the Black Panther series ever since the Civil War. I was lucky enough to come across back issues, and read the Pre-Civil War issues. All the issues where the Black Panther and Storm visit the different Marvel Nations, ranging from Laveteria (Doom), the Moon (Inhumans), and Atlantis (Namor) were down-right awesome (especially the Namor issue).

Although I was skeptical at first, and had no interest in reading Marvel Zombies 2, I ended up really enjoying the Zombie Arc.

And now that the alternate universes hopping arc due to Magic Frog's is coming to a close, I'm quite certain that Hudlin will return to the political turmoil of the Marvel Universe after the Post Civil War.

Black Panther 26, refers to the political turmoil with the US Fleet preparing to attack Wakanda. This is a great set up issue, every page features a different sub-plot, with different characters ranging from BP's sister and Wakanda advisors, to Brother Voodoo, and also sets up the New Fantastic Four for the start of the Zombie arc in BP 27.

With Atlantis being abandoned and the Atlanteans forced to blend in with human civilization and forced to ally with Laveteria. There are so many stories that Hudlin will be able to cover once the Secret Invasion begins. All kinds of alliances will be made to halt US aggression. (The parallels of the current Marvel universe to American aggression in reality is stunning)

You need to give Hudlin props for what he has done. I don't hold the Black Panther series to the same level of high expectations as I do Amazing SPiderman (where there are 4 different creative teams trying to live up to JMS high expectations). So what if T'challa pulls out a random gizmo and there are some loopholes in his story telling. These stories are entertaining, and McDuffie and Hudlin have planned all these events by themselves !!! I love it !!

It makes sense from a marketing perspective to keep the Fantastic Four's involvement in the Black Panther to continue as long as possible.

Like I said earlier, refer to BP issue 26, this book will return to the politics of the Marvel Universe soon enough.

Black Panther has become one of the first comics that I read every month. Perhaps i'm in the minority here, but a year ago, I didn't care about the Black Panther, now I'm a loyal fan eagerly awaiting what's going to happen next.

Hudlin delivers, and has made the Black Panther a major player in the Marvel Universe. I think he's done a great job.

[Trey]

Love the concept, the look, and the attitude.

Hudlin just isn't good enough. I've read about 10 issues on and off to see if got any better.

I think it takes a really good writer to make it work. He's a difficult character to write, no?

[Excelsior]

Love the concept, the look, and the attitude.

Hudlin just isn't good enough. I've read about 10 issues on and off to see if got any better.

I think it takes a really good writer to make it work. He's a difficult character to write, no?

Make no doubt about it, Black Panther is one of/ if not THE hardest character to write outside of Captain America in the MU, to which Ed Brubaker does such an excellent job he has won an Eisner because he makes it look easy.

You have to almost crawl inside the head of the character before you develop a plot or adventure for him to undertake. I agree with everyone that he needs a better supporting cast and rogues gallery of villians. A political and royal family type infrastructure would help like Preist had done during his run. International liasons and allies as well enemies are on order. That being said, the inroduction of Storm into the series , with her being his equal, has allowed Hudlin to display some neverbefore seen characterizations in regards to the Wakandan king.

Now we needs drama, perhaps an homage to well known royal turmoil--such as a false Heir to the throne, due to T'Chakka having a one time encounter with a hand maiden. Or simply desenting voices, wishing to open Wakanda up to free trade. Or playing with the idea of a white African dethroning T'Challa for awhile, that would make for some intersting tension--exploring european colonialism at its best or worst.

[Sanctus]

Make no doubt about it, Black Panther is one of/ if not THE hardest character to write outside of Captain America in the MU, to which Ed Brubaker does such an excellent job he has won an Eisner because he makes it look easy.

You have to almost crawl inside the head of the character before you develop a plot or adventure for him to undertake. I agree with everyone that he needs a better supporting cast and rogues gallery of villians. A political and royal family type infrastructure would help like Preist had done during his run. International liasons and allies as well enemies are on order. That being said, the inroduction of Storm into the series , with her being his equal, has allowed Hudlin to display some neverbefore seen characterizations in regards to the Wakandan king.

Now we needs drama, perhaps an homage to well known royal turmoil--such as a false Heir to the throne, due to T'Chakka having a one time encounter with a hand maiden. Or simply desenting voices, wishing to open Wakanda up to free trade. Or playing with the idea of a white African dethroning T'Challa for awhile, that would make for some intersting tension--exploring european colonialism at its best or worst.


I agree it would be great if BP found out one of his past girlfriends, maybe that singer, had a child who is now in their mid-teens. He could be used in a plot to overthrow T'Challa.

[The Cool Thatguy]

I agree it would be great if BP found out one of his past girlfriends, maybe that singer, had a child who is now in their mid-teens. He could be used in a plot to overthrow T'Challa.

Somehow, I don't think that making the foremost African (American) hero a dead beat dad would go over well with readers. Especially when you consider that we already have Erik Killmonger as evil guy who wants to overthrow T'Challa.

[Excelsior]

Somehow, I don't think that making the foremost African (American) hero a dead beat dad would go over well with readers. Especially when you consider that we already have Erik Killmonger as evil guy who wants to overthrow T'Challa.

Hows about having a white guy take over the mantle of BP for a story arc, and having him try to walk a mile in T'Challa's shoes then discovering it aint is easy as it seems. Keep his identity a secret to the world at large save for Panther and Storm- to show some of the prejudiced reactions to having a masked king with diplomatic immunity amongts american superheroes. You know showing the difficulties and the like. Or have said villain steal the african herb and dethrone Panther.

[Xero]

Yeah I was on Wiki a while back and remember some thing about a lion god who possessed a wakandan or something. Seem like a cool idea he'd be Like an African Thor.

There already is an African Thor and DC has him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shango_%28DC_Comics%29

[The Cool Thatguy]

Hows about having a white guy take over the mantle of BP for a story arc, and having him try to walk a mile in T'Challa's shoes then discovering it aint is easy as it seems. Keep his identity a secret to the world at large save for Panther and Storm- to show some of the prejudiced reactions to having a masked king with diplomatic immunity amongts american superheroes. You know showing the difficulties and the like. Or have said villain steal the african herb and dethrone Panther.

That actually sounds cool. I'm for any story that emphasizes Panther's kingness, and you gotta figure with the registration crap, some heroes have to resent how easy it is for T'Challa to get outta legal entanglements (relatively, of course).

[Sanctus]

Somehow, I don't think that making the foremost African (American) hero a dead beat dad would go over well with readers. Especially when you consider that we already have Erik Killmonger as evil guy who wants to overthrow T'Challa.

Deadbeat dads are those who know they have children and refuse to take care of them. The whole BP not knowing that he has a child keeps him from being a deadbeat dad.

[GalactaSurfer]

There already is an African Thor and DC has him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shango_%28DC_Comics%29

SHANGO! HOLY SHITE! :eek:

My Pops practices Santaria and thats one of the spirits he pays respects to.

It sucks that hes in DC tho :mad:

Oh and i ddint mean Thor as in thunder god powers, I meant Thor as in god/hero type of character.

[Sanctus]

SHANGO! HOLY SHITE! :eek:

My Pops practices Santaria and thats one of the spirits he pays respects to.

It sucks that hes in DC tho :mad:

Oh and i ddint mean Thor as in thunder god powers, I meant Thor as in god/hero type of character.

Speaking of Santeria, does anyone know what happened to the Santerians Queseda was pushing a while back. Maybe they could move to Wakanda because they do not want to register.

[Excelsior]

Speaking of Santeria, does anyone know what happened to the Santerians Queseda was pushing a while back. Maybe they could move to Wakanda because they do not want to register.

http://www.santerians.com/


http://www.santerians.com/images/lf_Santerians.jpg

And as far as I know, Joe Quesada did a New York Art gallery show for the project as of June 2007. But as far as a comic I think he has shelved it. I wish They would make a debut in Black Panther talk about a team that seems logical.

[engen500]

It really pisses me off that in alot of group Marvel pictures, Black Panther is rarely drawn. I think he's too powerful for alot of people to take.

As for the current BP i stopped reading after issue 11 or 12 because of the tackiness and bourgouis mentality that Hudlin infuses in these comics. Hudlin never takes us inside the mind of T'Challa never shows BP when no one is watching. I could tell that the President of B.E.T wrote this, the writing is shallow and I wish this whole continuity would just get erased. Like Peter Parker never being married to Mary Jane. BP ISN'T some egotistical king who lets race get in the way of his operations.

Hudlin just doesn't know what he has, he's wasted 30 something issues and still hasn't rocked people's mindz

If you read the past stories of BP in Jungle Action, or the Kirby run or his previous appearances in comics, T'Challa really is one of the most intuitive, experienced, intelligent comrades a superhero could ever have. On top of that he's a mastermind, a superb acrobat, and a true champion.
He makes Tony Starkx$$ jealou$, is smoother than James bond, superior technology over Reed Richards, a better fighter and tracker than Bruce Wayne and lives in a hi-tech paradise. A vibranium charged Garden of Eden....

[engen500]

Black Panther and Storm should have joined the NEW AVENGERS instead of Fantastic 4...
If BP had joined Iron Man and Captain America at the beginning of New Avengers, the Civil War would've never happened...BP And Storm in New Avengers would have CHANGED THE GAME.

I can't wait to see BP and Storm's kid....That kid is going to reign supreme

I think alot of white readers feel uncomfortable when the topic of Black Panther comes up. Just the idea of T'Challa scares alot of people thus pushing BP's presence to the background in Marvel. That's why he's not as big as Spider-Man or Wolverine. People just can't see a black superhero as noble, selfless and as powerful as T'challa, leading the most advanced nation on Earth...He's the truth...


African Thor?? Egypt's Osiris. He would kick Thor's ASS...that's one thing I always hated about comics, they rarely show any other culture's mythological superheroes, just European: Thor, Ares, Hercules, Wonder Woman...what about Osiris and Isis?- What about African, Asian, Native American....Aztecs as well...I guess Virgin comics have really started to show India's mythological figures

[Rock It Raccoon]

right around when storm and bp got married i was considering getting back into the panther... doubtless he's a cool as hell character, plus i've had an old "jungle action" comic from '76 (i think) kicking around my collection forever (BP versus m'baku the man ape... great stuff) but frankly the whole storm/t'challa romance always bothered me. i guess it makes sense on some levels: both are african and highly revered (almost worshiped) by their people... but seriously? this is the best they could come up with? it seems so mind numbingly obvious. do they even have a history together? is the best marvel can do to take the two most popular black characters in the MU and just have them marry each other?

i readily admit that some terrible word of mouth/online reviews stopped me from putting the title on my pull list, and as such i havent read any of that storyline (was it hudlin?). i hope there's a better reason for them getting hitched. help?

[Excelsior]

It really pisses me off that in alot of group Marvel pictures, Black Panther is rarely drawn. I think he's too powerful for alot of people to take.

As for the current BP i stopped reading after issue 11 or 12 because of the tackiness and bourgouis mentality that Hudlin infuses in these comics. Hudlin never takes us inside the mind of T'Challa never shows BP when no one is watching. I could tell that the President of B.E.T wrote this, the writing is shallow and I wish this whole continuity would just get erased. Like Peter Parker never being married to Mary Jane. BP ISN'T some egotistical king who lets race get in the way of his operations.

Hudlin just doesn't know what he has, he's wasted 30 something issues and still hasn't rocked people's mindz

If you read the past stories of BP in Jungle Action, or the Kirby run or his previous appearances in comics, T'Challa really is one of the most intuitive, experienced, intelligent comrades a superhero could ever have. On top of that he's a mastermind, a superb acrobat, and a true champion.
He makes Tony Starkx$$ jealou$, is smoother than James bond, superior technology over Reed Richards, a better fighter and tracker than Bruce Wayne and lives in a hi-tech paradise. A vibranium charged Garden of Eden....

AAron McGruder is that You?? Seriouslly, You have some VALID points, As a Harvard grad you would think Hudlin would throw some sophistication into some of the plots every now and then. Hopefully, this is just a matter of getting a handle on his audience and the character and not doing it on purpose thinking the audience isnt sophisitacted enough to understand complex plots.

[GalactaSurfer]

This Thread had a good vibe to it untill the last three post.

Before any other whining fanboyz contine on their Hudlin hate crusade please consider that this is a thread for people who actully enjoy the book and who are voicing their enjoyment of the book and the kind of stuff they would like to see added to the current version of the character.

You can have it your way all the damn time. If it offends you fine but dont go into every damn BP thread and hate it up.

Check out the first couple of post. The people enjoying the book also have stuff they would like to see added or taking away, what you dont hear/read is the spite that alot of aging fanboyz (yeah we know ya are old comic foggies:D ) post with.

Please stick with the thread topic thanX

[The Cool Thatguy]

Since Storm's a cast member, I'd like to see her get her own villains seperate from the X-verse.

And though I like both the XMen etc and Panther (generally), I think the worse thing possible for Panther would to be subsumed by the X-verse. It tore down Longshot, it tore down Captain Britain and I'd rather not see history repeat itself. Not under Hudlin, Priest, Brubaker, Alan Moore, anyone! should Panther become a part of the X-universe. Any rise in readers would be off set by Panther being marginalized within his own 'universe'.

Just look at Longshot. The character was created to parody television trends in the 80s. Can you think of a better character for today? Yet he's constantly being sent into limbo because of his relationship with mutants.

Panther and Storm could easily work, but they need to co exist with the X-Men, not be a part of them, IMO ;)

[Sanctus]

Since Storm's a cast member, I'd like to see her get her own villains seperate from the X-verse.

And though I like both the XMen etc and Panther (generally), I think the worse thing possible for Panther would to be subsumed by the X-verse. It tore down Longshot, it tore down Captain Britain and I'd rather not see history repeat itself. Not under Hudlin, Priest, Brubaker, Alan Moore, anyone! should Panther become a part of the X-universe. Any rise in readers would be off set by Panther being marginalized within his own 'universe'.

Just look at Longshot. The character was created to parody television trends in the 80s. Can you think of a better character for today? Yet he's constantly being sent into limbo because of his relationship with mutants.

Panther and Storm could easily work, but they need to co exist with the X-Men, not be a part of them, IMO ;)

BP and Storm need to become the bridge between the Avenger's world and teh X-Verse. They should definitely stand aside from each but be integral to both. I think we should see avenger's enemies as well as X-Men enemies like Shadow King and maybe even Khan in BP because of Storm. After SI, BP should also be the link between Avengers and teh independent kingdoms like Attilla and maybe even a few cosmic nations like the Shiar.

[XPac]

Black Panther and Storm should have joined the NEW AVENGERS instead of Fantastic 4...
If BP had joined Iron Man and Captain America at the beginning of New Avengers, the Civil War would've never happened...BP And Storm in New Avengers would have CHANGED THE GAME.

I can't wait to see BP and Storm's kid....That kid is going to reign supreme

I think alot of white readers feel uncomfortable when the topic of Black Panther comes up. Just the idea of T'Challa scares alot of people thus pushing BP's presence to the background in Marvel. That's why he's not as big as Spider-Man or Wolverine. People just can't see a black superhero as noble, selfless and as powerful as T'challa, leading the most advanced nation on Earth...He's the truth...


African Thor?? Egypt's Osiris. He would kick Thor's ASS...that's one thing I always hated about comics, they rarely show any other culture's mythological superheroes, just European: Thor, Ares, Hercules, Wonder Woman...what about Osiris and Isis?- What about African, Asian, Native American....Aztecs as well...I guess Virgin comics have really started to show India's mythological figures

I have mixed feelings about BP and Storm joining the New Avengers.

On one hand, I do think it's a more logical fit than them joining the FF, and I think it would help elevate the characters. Plus, I just like the idea of Storm being an Avenger (as we see in Marvel Adventures).

On the flip side, BP's presence would totally overshadow Luke Cage. There's no way in hell Cage would be leading the Avengers if BP and Storm were there. And this is really Cages chance to shine as a character.

[Daouda]

i readily admit that some terrible word of mouth/online reviews stopped me from putting the title on my pull list, and as such i havent read any of that storyline (was it hudlin?). i hope there's a better reason for them getting hitched. help?

Rock It Raccoon, I've enjoyed this entire run.

If you are curious about Ororo and T'challa's wedding I advise picking up "The Bride" TPB.
The art is beautiful, the coloring noteworthy.

Interestingly, T'Challa does something I think Professor X should have done years ago if he really cared about Ororo as something other than a soldier in his army. He finds Storm's American grandparents! They're great!

Anyway, check it out for youself. You might be pleasantly surprised.:)


Excelsior!

Daoud

[GalactaSurfer]

Also check out the Storm mini its a great back up to the bride and has great art and character moments.

[frog]

This Thread had a good vibe to it untill the last three post.

Before any other whining fanboyz contine on their Hudlin hate crusade please consider that this is a thread for people who actully enjoy the book and who are voicing their enjoyment of the book and the kind of stuff they would like to see added to the current version of the character.

You can have it your way all the damn time. If it offends you fine but dont go into every damn BP thread and hate it up.

Check out the first couple of post. The people enjoying the book also have stuff they would like to see added or taking away, what you dont hear/read is the spite that alot of aging fanboyz (yeah we know ya are old comic foggies:D ) post with.

Please stick with the thread topic thanX

Certain BP fans have been posting their dislike of Marvel creators in various threads for some time now. You can't expect that those discontent with the current state of the Black Panther will not do the same. If the posts are inappropriate the moderator will take care of them.

[GalactaSurfer]

Certain BP fans have been posting their dislike of Marvel creators in various threads for some time now. You can't expect that those discontent with the current state of the Black Panther will not do the same. If the posts are inappropriate the moderator will take care of them.

No doubt

I just defending the good nature of the thread..you know when good men do nothing...;)

[Rahul]

Black Panther rules in Marvel Ultimate Allliance.


"THE BLACK PANTHER CANNOT BE DEFEATED!" (thanks to stealth)

[GalactaSurfer]

Black Panther rules in Marvel Ultimate Allliance.


"THE BLACK PANTHER CANNOT BE DEFEATED!" (thanks to stealth)

Yeah He needs his own game. Wakandan ass kicking action!

[Excelsior]

Two black Panther threads in one day. I love it. On that note, I picked up the Powerman and Iron Fist Essential today, and it was a ting of beauty! Im hoping in the future maybe we can get an Essential Trade collection of those awesome Jungle Action stories.


Im a fan of Hudlins but if McDuff or Preist were to extend an invite, and jointly write the book ala' Brubaker and Matt Fraction's deal writing the expertly crafted Iron Fist, i wouldnt complain.


Casper Cole should have joined the H4H team. That would have been the best collection of street level heroes on the planet- Shang Chi, Misty Knight, Colleen Wing, Casper Cole, etc.

[XPac]

Black Panther rules in Marvel Ultimate Allliance.


"THE BLACK PANTHER CANNOT BE DEFEATED!" (thanks to stealth)

The Black Panther is in that game?

Dang, I TOTALLY missed that. That is so cool. I gotta go back and rent it now. There were so many cool characters in there, I didn't even catch that.

[Expletive Deleted]

The Black Panther is in that game?I think you have to unlock him.

[bluezulu]

Two black Panther threads in one day. I love it. On that note, I picked up the Powerman and Iron Fist Essential today, and it was a ting of beauty! Im hoping in the future maybe we can get an Essential Trade collection of those awesome Jungle Action stories.


Im a fan of Hudlins but if McDuff or Preist were to extend an invite, and jointly write the book ala' Brubaker and Matt Fraction's deal writing the expertly crafted Iron Fist, i wouldnt complain.


Casper Cole should have joined the H4H team. That would have been the best collection of street level heroes on the planet- Shang Chi, Misty Knight, Colleen Wing, Casper Cole, etc.

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The Power Man and Iron fist essentials came out!!!! I got to so get this.

[Excelsior]

The Black Panther is in that game?

Dang, I TOTALLY missed that. That is so cool. I gotta go back and rent it now. There were so many cool characters in there, I didn't even catch that.

I like the design of that game, he isnt a stock character you have to unlock him to use him. I hope they include Deadpool, and O'Grady's Antman in the next one.

[XPac]

I like the design of that game, he isnt a stock character you have to unlock him to use him. I hope they include Deadpool, and O'Grady's Antman in the next one.

That's awesome... I know how I'll be spending my weekend now.

BP is such a visually cool character. He's one of those guys I always wanted to play in video game format, or see in a cartoon (hated his half mask in Ultimate Avengers 2 though).

[Excelsior]

That's awesome... I know how I'll be spending my weekend now.

BP is such a visually cool character. He's one of those guys I always wanted to play in video game format, or see in a cartoon (hated his half mask in Ultimate Avengers 2 though).

Yeah Ultimate avengers worked when it stuck to Mark Millar's version. Which is why he is top dog. I thought the Black Panther story should have been an homage to Kirby. But at least he got some face time.

[XPac]

Yeah Ultimate avengers worked when it stuck to Mark Millar's version. Which is why he is top dog. I thought the Black Panther story should have been an homage to Kirby. But at least he got some face time.

Yeah... Ultimate Avengers kind of went off track when it strayed from Millar. Though there's no Millar BP story, so I guess they sort of had to go off the tracks. BP's marvel debut was more an FF story (which would be COOL if they ever do another FF movie or maybe an animated movie).

But I agree... it's pretty cool that of all the Avengers characters they could incorporate into the cartoon they choose BP. Considering this is only the second and there are a lot more iconic Avengers (Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Vision), it's kind of an honor that they put the spotlight on BP.

[engen500]

This Thread had a good vibe to it untill the last three post.

Before any other whining fanboyz contine on their Hudlin hate crusade please consider that this is a thread for people who actully enjoy the book and who are voicing their enjoyment of the book and the kind of stuff they would like to see added to the current version of the character.

You can have it your way all the damn time. If it offends you fine but dont go into every damn BP thread and hate it up.

Check out the first couple of post. The people enjoying the book also have stuff they would like to see added or taking away, what you dont hear/read is the spite that alot of aging fanboyz (yeah we know ya are old comic foggies:D ) post with.

Please stick with the thread topic thanX

Sorry if I rained on your parade....
I do hate when fanboys on forumz get like the anal dude @ your job that's always telling you what to do..."Please stick with the thread topic thanX".... get the fdsk outta here with that ish....check out my MYSPACE BP page: www.myspace.com/KINGOFWAKANDA .......you could learn some $h*t, galactasaurus

I love the idea of BP and as a reader of Marvel since age 6 (20 years) I have the right to voice my opinions on BP. I'm not trying to bring anyones enthusiasm down for BP, I'm a nerd when it comes to this $H*t,
I just think Hudlin is pompous and arrogant and totally paid no attention to past volumes of Black Panther....

Enough about Hudlin'z wack writing......WHAT'S UP with the Black Panther Film? Anyone know any new info or developments?

Question: who should pen Black Panther after Hudlin?

[nj06]

Black Panther and Storm should have joined the NEW AVENGERS instead of Fantastic 4...
If BP had joined Iron Man and Captain America at the beginning of New Avengers, the Civil War would've never happened...BP And Storm in New Avengers would have CHANGED THE GAME.

I can't wait to see BP and Storm's kid....That kid is going to reign supreme

I think alot of white readers feel uncomfortable when the topic of Black Panther comes up. Just the idea of T'Challa scares alot of people thus pushing BP's presence to the background in Marvel. That's why he's not as big as Spider-Man or Wolverine. People just can't see a black superhero as noble, selfless and as powerful as T'challa, leading the most advanced nation on Earth...He's the truth...


African Thor?? Egypt's Osiris. He would kick Thor's ASS...that's one thing I always hated about comics, they rarely show any other culture's mythological superheroes, just European: Thor, Ares, Hercules, Wonder Woman...what about Osiris and Isis?- What about African, Asian, Native American....Aztecs as well...I guess Virgin comics have really started to show India's mythological figures

I would like to see Gods/heroes from other Mythological backgrounds as well.

Anyway, how much has been elaborated on Storm & Black Panther's child? Does anybody know whats going to happen with the kid or no? I heard that it was suppose to be a big event, but can someone give me more information about it or show me where I can find more?

[engen500]

I think Black Panther should be the leader of his own team...He's earned it by now and with Storm at his side, nothing could stop them....I know Wakanda has some powerful mutants...where are they? Black Panther should stop hopping portals and create a superteam based in Wakanda...how f&*$ing ill would that be....I wanna see some epic battles in Africa...Marvel should stop focusing all there stories in NEW YORK and go INTERNATIONAL....

As far as Black Panther and Storm not being able to fit in New Avengers because Luke Cage is the leader? that's the lamest excuse I've heard....People don't know how to react when they see one superpowered black man.....3 on one team!?!? that'd be waaayyyyyyy to much to ask....
I'd rather have seen NIGHT THRASHER lead New Avengers than Luke Cage...

Comic Readers should forget the TRADITION of comics and demand more diverse characters and plots....Marvel's writers have created many ethnic characters but refuse to dig them out of the dust...there's so many to use...

And it's about time we see an omega level BLACK TELEPATH and a Black Cosmic Character like NOVA or Silver Surfer as well......
BLACK PANTHER HARNESSING THE INFINITY GAUNTLET?!?! WHAT?!?!

[The Cool Thatguy]

I think the objection with Panther being on the New Avengers is that, by the merits of how bad ass he is, he'd naturally take away Cage's leadership of the team. Cage is a good leader, but he's a green horn compared to Panther and Storm, both better qualified to lead the team, if they joined.

Personally, I think Storm and T'Challa joining would make little sense, as they're world leaders joining what amounts to an outlaw group.

[engen500]

BP and Storm should have joined right when Iron Man and Captain America decided to create the New Avengers....
Civil War would've never happened...

I couldn't see Iron Man and Captain America asking Wolverine to join before asking T'Challa....but i guess they did

[The Cool Thatguy]

BP and Storm should have joined right when Iron Man and Captain America decided to create the New Avengers....
Civil War would've never happened...

I couldn't see Iron Man and Captain America asking Wolverine to join before asking T'Challa....but i guess they did

Well, there are alot of people Cap should have asked before he asked Wolverine :D . The runt sells, unfortunately.

[Excelsior]

An African/ Wakandan style Avengers team would be sick!

BP/Storm
--- Bashenga - an ancient Wakandan whose first and only appearance was in Black Panther v1 #7 from 1978, Bashenga was supposedly the first king of Wakanda and the first Black Panther some 10,000 years ago.

Shola Inkosi - a telekinetic/telepathic mutant from Genosha (a fictional island nation located near Madagascar)

Vibrania (Ally of Speedball)

Ivory - member of the S.H.I.E.L.D. Super Soldiers.

Embyrre - an ancient African Vampiress who lived and died in the pages of Midnight Sons

Barack Obama - LOL :D

[XPac]

As far as Black Panther and Storm not being able to fit in New Avengers because Luke Cage is the leader? that's the lamest excuse I've heard....People don't know how to react when they see one superpowered black man.....3 on one team!?!? that'd be waaayyyyyyy to much to ask....
I'd rather have seen NIGHT THRASHER lead New Avengers than Luke Cage...



The problem with BP and Storm being on the same team doesn't have anything to do with the number of minorities on a team... the issue is Cage shining in the book.

Right now, Cage is the leader of the top selling team in marvel comics. Odds are BP will take over the team, and Cage will be reduced to being the team's strong man. I think Cage is cool, and I think the character deserves the spotlight he has now. Bendis gave him the ball, and I'm cool with Cage running with it.

Unless BP and Storm are willing to take second fiddle to Cage, then they frankly should find another team to lead.

[XPac]

BP and Storm should have joined right when Iron Man and Captain America decided to create the New Avengers....
Civil War would've never happened...

I couldn't see Iron Man and Captain America asking Wolverine to join before asking T'Challa....but i guess they did

Cap was using fate to decide who joins the team.

Had BP and Storm showed up for the break out or in the savage land, then he would have asked them to join.

Though honestly, BP isn't a good choice to join any team since he in THEORY is supposed to be in Wakanda running the country. That seldom is the case, but it's what one would rationally assume.

[engen500]

Cap was using fate to decide who joins the team.

Had BP and Storm showed up for the break out or in the savage land, then he would have asked them to join.

Though honestly, BP isn't a good choice to join any team since he in THEORY is supposed to be in Wakanda running the country. That seldom is the case, but it's what one would rationally assume.

why limit BP's involvement to Wakanda? Teleportation does exist in the marvel universe right? I'm sure Wakanda had teleportation devices well before the Americans did...Wakanda is the most hitech civilization on the planet..If Wolverine can appear in different continents in every other comic..so can BP

Black Panther leading his own team or at least having a backup team would make better reading. Much respect to Luke Cage, I think he should lead the New Avengers, but BP would never play second fiddle to Luke Cage, he's smarter and more experienced. Why should he? Cage may have been the first to have his own comic, but T'Challa was the first to appear...and he kicked Marvel's First Family's a$$$ Even in the pages of Hudlin's series it shows Cage looking up to BP. The Marvel Universe is big enough to have two black men running to different teams without them tripping over each other.

We've never seen BP lead his own team and it's time..T'Challa should have his own team of superpowered heroes, whether they are Wakanda's Superhero Defense team or T'Challa's band of heroes who travel the universe...

[XPac]

why limit BP's involvement to Wakanda? Teleportation does exist in the marvel universe right? I'm sure Wakanda had teleportation devices well before the Americans did...Wakanda is the most hitech civilization on the planet..If Wolverine can appear in different continents in every other comic..so can BP

Black Panther leading his own team or at least having a backup team would make better reading. Much respect to Luke Cage, I think he should lead the New Avengers, but BP would never play second fiddle to Luke Cage, he's smarter and more experienced. Why should he? Cage may have been the first to have his own comic, but T'Challa was the first to appear...and he kicked Marvel's First Family's a$$$ Even in the pages of Hudlin's series it shows Cage looking up to BP. The Marvel Universe is big enough to have two black men running to different teams without them tripping over each other.

We've never seen BP lead his own team and it's time..T'Challa should have his own team of superpowered heroes, whether they are Wakanda's Superhero Defense team or T'Challa's band of heroes who travel the universe...

We saw BP lead the Fantastic Four, so hes been a team leader. Though clearly he was just keeping Reed's seat warm.

I suppose in theory if they ever want to create a new hero team, having BP create and fund it would be reasonable. I still think it's a little weird that an African King basically spends all his time in the US fighting badguys, but it's a comic book so I guess that's how it's gotta work.

[engen500]

I don't think BP should be valued more than other heroes who are noble. I just want to see BP shine like the mastermind he is, too bad many readers were introduced to him during Hudlin's crappy run....

[XPac]

I don't think BP should be valued more than other heroes who are noble. I just want to see BP shine like the mastermind he is, too bad many readers were introduced to him during Hudlin's crappy run....

Yeah... it's a shame that BP was written by Priest during all the Civl War stuff. Priest BP was frankly the coolest version of the character EVER... with a bit more exposure he coud have been the new Batman of the MU.

Here's hoping he does some cool stuff in Secret Invasion. Though I'm not a fan of Hudlin, I though his CW cross overs were pretty dam good. I'd like to see him step up in the next big event, and play some kind of importnat role there too.

[engen500]

I think BP should get star treatment if not in comics, at least in toys....Marvel has so many licenses to so many products...I'd love for my son to have a Black Panther "spider-man and friends" toy or to see Black Panther on Marvel candy or on a puzzle...I'd rather kids dig BP more than disgruntled 25-45 year old men

[XPac]

I think BP should get star treatment if not in comics, at least in toys....Marvel has so many licenses to so many products...I'd love for my son to have Black Panther "spider-man and friends" toy or to see Black Panther on a Marvel game or on a t-shirt...I'd rather kids dig BP more than disgruntled 25-45 year old men

As someone in this very thread pointed out to me, BP does show up in the Marvel Ultimate Alliance Game. And he's in the Ultimate Avengers 2 DVD. That's a start at least.

[Excelsior]

I think BP should get star treatment if not in comics, at least in toys....Marvel has so many licenses to so many products...I'd love for my son to have Black Panther "spider-man and friends" toy or to see Black Panther on a Marvel game or on a t-shirt...I'd rather kids dig BP more than disgruntled 25-45 year old men

Now you are just hatin! Star Wars fans are 25-45 year old. Anyways, moving away from all this drama.

Dwayne McDuffie on the 1970s "Black Panther" series : "This overlooked and underrated classic is arguably the most tightly written multi-part superhero epic ever. If you can get your hands on it (and where's that trade paperback collection, Marvel?), sit down and read the whole thing. It's damn-near flawless, every issue, every scene, a functional, necessary part of the whole. Okay, now go back and read any individual issue. You'll find seamlessly integrated words and pictures; clearly introduced characters and situations; a concise (sometimes even transparent) recap; beautifully developed character relationships; at least one cool new villain; a stunning action set piece to test our hero's skills and resolve; and a story that is always moving forward towards a definite and satisfying conclusion. That's what we should all be delivering, every single month. Don McGregor and company did it in only 17 story pages per issue".[37]

[engen500]

Now you are just hatin! Star Wars fans are 25-45 year old. Anyways, moving away from all this drama.

Dwayne McDuffie on the 1970s "Black Panther" series : "This overlooked and underrated classic is arguably the most tightly written multi-part superhero epic ever. If you can get your hands on it (and where's that trade paperback collection, Marvel?), sit down and read the whole thing. It's damn-near flawless, every issue, every scene, a functional, necessary part of the whole. Okay, now go back and read any individual issue. You'll find seamlessly integrated words and pictures; clearly introduced characters and situations; a concise (sometimes even transparent) recap; beautifully developed character relationships; at least one cool new villain; a stunning action set piece to test our hero's skills and resolve; and a story that is always moving forward towards a definite and satisfying conclusion. That's what we should all be delivering, every single month. Don McGregor and company did it in only 17 story pages per issue".[37]

dude I'm 26 years old...i was just sayin, kidz need to know who BP IS....
And I own the Jungle Action series as well as the Kirby BP RUN....I frequent Wikipedia enough to know where you got your quote...

oh and f@$k Star Wars...Transformers the Movie 1986 baby!!!

[princesa]

I like the Panther he's a terrific character with a lot of cinematic value if done right.

[Excelsior]

I like the Panther he's a terrific character with a lot of cinematic value if done right.

Very Cinematic!! Walter Hill the director/ writer of 48 hours, The Warriors, Southern Comfort and producer of the Alien Vs Predators films came on a Panther Thread, discussing his interest in the character. Maybe he is onboard to bring the Panther to the big screen.

[engen500]

Did anyone see Apocalypto? I think Mel Gibson, as cheesy as it may sound, could portray T'Challa pretty accurately....

[XPac]

I like the Panther he's a terrific character with a lot of cinematic value if done right.

Sounds cool... as long as he's got given the freaking half mask he wore in Ultimate Avengers 2.

[Excelsior]

Did anyone see Apocalypto? I think Mel Gibson, as cheesy as it may sound, could portray T'Challa pretty accurately....

If by Portray you mean as in to direct a feature film, he probably could do the job. Too bad he's non-union. I would charge Antoine Fuqua, the director of Training Day, Stephen Northington of Blade, or Christopher Nolan the Director of Batman Begins.

Someone with a sci-fi/action background.

[engen500]

If by Portray you mean as in to direct a feature film, he probably could do the job. Too bad he's non-union. I would charge Antoine Fuqua, the director of Training Day, Stephen Northington of Blade, or Christopher Nolan the Director of Batman Begins.

Someone with a sci-fi/action background.

yeah Antoine Fuqua would do a good job on it... definately better than Singleton...

after watching Apocalypto, I can see Gibson directing BP.. his attention to detail is on point, plus he's got the dough to make it look right...Don't sleep on Gibson people.. you can feel his "passion" in the films that he directs and devotes himself to.

[Mercutia]

I'd love to see that movie, especially with Christopher Nolan directing it. I think he'd do a good job portraying the full depth of not just BP but the world he lives in.

Slightly OT, if Marvel and DC do another crossover story, I'd like to see T'Challa and Vixen meet each other. Existing personal commitments aside, I think they'd make a hot couple. (Did anyone besides me think the animated JLU version of her looked like Josephine Baker re-imagined as a superhero?)

[Excelsior]

I'd love to see that movie, especially with Christopher Nolan directing it. I think he'd do a good job portraying the full depth of not just BP but the world he lives in.

Slightly OT, if Marvel and DC do another crossover story, I'd like to see T'Challa and Vixen meet each other. Existing personal commitments aside, I think they'd make a hot couple. (Did anyone besides me think the animated JLU version of her looked like Josephine Baker re-imagined as a superhero?)


Great concept on the Dc/Marvel crossover of Panther and Vixen. I would like to see a Black Panther/Batman crossover. They have so much in common it would occur naturally. Bruce Wayne hosting an international conference in which T'Challa attends. Trouble ensues and Batman and Panther are on the scene. A great juxtaposition of two sophisticated icons.

[XPac]

Great concept on the Dc/Marvel crossover of Panther and Vixen. I would like to see a Black Panther/Batman crossover. They have so much in common it would occur naturally. Bruce Wayne hosting an international conference in which T'Challa attends. Trouble ensues and Batman and Panther are on the scene. A great juxtaposition of two sophisticated icons.

Yeah. Though Bats is often teamed with Daredevil or Spider-Man, one can argue his closest equivalent in Marvel is BP (though that's arguable).

Seeing the two try to one up or outsmart the other would be a lot of fun. Morrison's JLA Batman and Hudlin's BP are practically cut out of the same mold.

[Rahul]

The Black Panther is in that game?

Dang, I TOTALLY missed that. That is so cool. I gotta go back and rent it now. There were so many cool characters in there, I didn't even catch that.
You have to unlock him by collecting 5 action figures distributed in the game. Also he was voiced by the same actor who voiced Green Lantern(Jon Stewart) in the JL animated series.

[Magneto_X]

Yeah. Though Bats is often teamed with Daredevil or Spider-Man, one can argue his closest equivalent in Marvel is BP (though that's arguable).

Seeing the two try to one up or outsmart the other would be a lot of fun. Morrison's JLA Batman and Hudlin's BP are practically cut out of the same mold.

Besides BP it would be cool if Bats had a cross-over with Moon Knight since he's got many things in common with Bats.

If they ever cross-over BP and Batman they should get Priest to write it.

[XPac]

Besides BP it would be cool if Bats had a cross-over with Moon Knight since he's got many things in common with Bats.

If they ever cross-over BP and Batman they should get Priest to write it.

Yeah, a Batman/MK cross over would work. That's the thing about Batman... I don't think there's a comic character out there that doesn't have more cross over possibilities than him.

And I definately think if BP ever were to cross over, the Priest version of BP woud be the best. If they can get Priest to write it great. If not, I hope whoever were to write it would get that sort of vibe from the character. Because to me, that was the scariest BP (and I mean that in a good way).

[Magneto_X]

Yeah, a Batman/MK cross over would work. That's the thing about Batman... I don't think there's a comic character out there that doesn't have more cross over possibilities than him.

The book would almost write itself.

MK is someone I think Batman would consider even more insane then he is. :D

And I definately think if BP ever were to cross over, the Priest version of BP woud be the best. If they can get Priest to write it great. If not, I hope whoever were to write it would get that sort of vibe from the character. Because to me, that was the scariest BP (and I mean that in a good way).

Definitely agreed.

Priest's run made me a fan of Black Panther.

[bluezulu]

Amazing how the top 4 threads in the comic boards are about Reginald Hudlin and one of them have to do with a book the Order that he does not write or share a linkage in any way.


Hmmmmmmm????

[XPac]

Amazing how the top 4 threads in the comic boards are about Reginald Hudlin and one of them have to do with a book the Order that he does not write or share a linkage in any way.


Hmmmmmmm????

Yeah... theres no doubt that the man does incite discussion. It's a shame the interest in him doesn't translate to sales in his book (and I'm not saying that sarcastrically... I DO wish they did).

[Excelsior]

Yeah... theres no doubt that the man does incite discussion. It's a shame the interest in him doesn't translate to sales in his book (and I'm not saying that sarcastrically... I DO wish they did).

I cant believe some fans would rather spend time dissing hudlin, and not towards showing BP some love. You know rallying around an effort to get an essential trade published.

[GalactaSurfer]

Sorry if I rained on your parade....
I do hate when fanboys on forumz get like the anal dude @ your job that's always telling you what to do..."Please stick with the thread topic thanX".... get the fdsk outta here with that ish....check out my MYSPACE BP page: www.myspace.com/KINGOFWAKANDA .......you could learn some $h*t, galactasaurus

I love the idea of BP and as a reader of Marvel since age 6 (20 years) I have the right to voice my opinions on BP. I'm not trying to bring anyones enthusiasm down for BP, I'm a nerd when it comes to this $H*t,
I just think Hudlin is pompous and arrogant and totally paid no attention to past volumes of Black Panther....

Enough about Hudlin'z wack writing......WHAT'S UP with the Black Panther Film? Anyone know any new info or developments?

Question: who should pen Black Panther after Hudlin?

OOHKAYY!? You aint gotta be so dramatic but ill cash your 2cents.

I like that page tho.

Anyways i'll tell you what the Black Panther title needs some one shots fleshing out Wakanda history and giving us a look at some of its past rulers.

[bluedmighty]

I think that the Panther is a unique character becuse he combines three really good comic book elements.

1. He's a masked hero with above human abilities that aids the defensless.

2. He's a King of a mysterious Nation that's so advanced, Reed Richards made special mention of it.

3. He's a pollitical figure with ties to the international community.

If done right, T'challa should read like Captain America, Namor, Reed Richards, Doom, and Nick Fury combined.

Not to mention the Mythical and Magical elements of his position.

I beleive this is why The Panther is such a hard character to write and relate to. Previously, it's like writers choose what aspect of the character to promote during their run. Some go for the Noir, some go for the Super Hero stuff, and some go for the Technology meets jungle stuff.

But has anyone attempted to merge all of the peices to present a consistant Character? Is it possible?

On the subject of Children, The only refrence we have to them is the statement made by the Watcher in FF. However, I'm hoping that we will see them during the ANNUAL (YAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY:D ), as it takes place in the future.

Storm and BP on the Avengers:

I agree with the other posters who said that this is Luke's time to shine.

HOWEVER,

I believe that not only is it time for BP to lead his own group. I think it's time for a Wakandan bassed super team. Their existance could also help explain why Wakanda doesn't get steamrolled in T'challa's absence. Like silent/secret enforcers. Nezhno could be their first recruit.

If Mr. Hudlin wasn't writting, I'd pass the torch to Mr. Mcduffie, the guy that's writting the initiative, or maybe even Mr. Craig and Kyle Yost (they're slated to write the royal couple in X-men: divided we stand prt 1). While Mr. McDuffie is great on the Super hero stuff, I think the other two are better known for the drama that they bring to a book.

While I would like for Panther and Storm not to get sucked into the X-verse, I think it would be poor writing and a diservice to the character of Storm if BP never made an appearance.

Storm should DEFFINATLY get her own villians, as it would add to the mountain of thingss that BP already has to deal with. This presents another unique oppotunity as I think they'd be the first husband and wife team to swap arch nemisi.

[XPac]

Anyways i'll tell you what the Black Panther title needs some one shots fleshing out Wakanda history and giving us a look at some of its past rulers.

That's something they can always just throw in the back of the annual if Hudlin feels like it.

I recall older marvel annuals always had all sorts of info stuff.

[GalactaSurfer]

That's something they can always just throw in the back of the annual if Hudlin feels like it.

I recall older marvel annuals always had all sorts of info stuff.

Yeah kind of like the bio's in the back of the Annihilation mini's

[bluedmighty]

Yeah kind of like the bio's in the back of the Annihilation mini's

That would be cool.

It would also give Mr. Hudlin a place to flesh out the different Black Panther's, including the Female Black Panther he introduced.

[princesa]

I don't think the surface has been scratched on how good a character the Panther could be. I like the current take and series but I would like a little more of the enigmatic feel of Priest's run. The Panther like his friend Namor is a monarch not a hero or villain. I see him personality-wise as Batman meets Magneto. With the best and worse of both.

[XPac]

I don't think the surface has been scratched on how good a character the Panther could be. I like the current take and series but I would like a little more of the enigmatic feel of Priest's run. The Panther like his friend Namor is a monarch not a hero or villain. I see him personality-wise as Batman meets Magneto. With the best and worse of both.

Yeah... Hudlin's BP to me is almost the equivalent of a Marvel Adventures BP. He throws the character into all these exciting adventuresd, which if fun... but he rarely deals with the character on an emotional or personal level like Priest did.

I think something personally or emotionally challenging needs to happen to BP to shake him out of his god mode, where everything can be solved with some gizmo on his BP utility belt. Since he's married now, that can lead to some nice character moments between him and Storm. He's got someone the help him through, that he really didn't have during Priests run.

[princesa]

Yeah... Hudlin's BP to me is almost the equivalent of a Marvel Adventures BP. He throws the character into all these exciting adventuresd, which if fun... but he rarely deals with the character on an emotional or personal level like Priest did.

I think something personally or emotionally challenging needs to happen to BP to shake him out of his god mode, where everything can be solved with some gizmo on his BP utility belt. Since he's married now, that can lead to some nice character moments between him and Storm. He's got someone the help him through, that he really didn't have during Priests run.

I think there is a lot available. I thought the tensions with the US government was a very good plotline. Not to mention his resentment of Tony Stark. At the end of CW you had the Panther and Storm feeling isolated and squeezed home and abroad. Thats some good stuff.

[XPac]

I think there is a lot available. I thought the tensions with the US government was a very good plotline. Not to mention his resentment of Tony Stark. At the end of CW you had the Panther and Storm feeling isolated and squeezed home and abroad. Thats some good stuff.

Yeah, I'll agree with that.

I think that's a big part of the reason why BP's CW tie-ins are my personal favorite arcs in Hudlin's entire run.

It brought back some of the elements that I thought Priest effectively incorporatated. We had political elements (something that should always be there... he's a king in addition to being just a superhero), along with a lot of action and a bit of personal conflict. Though even there, it wasn't terrible extreme... it's not like Stark and BP were buddies to begin with.

I do think it would have been interesting exploring Storms feelings about her fellow X-Men sitting out CW when she opted to get involved. That was sort of a missed opportunity... but Hudlin doesn't seem all that wild about tying his book to the X books too much these days. Which is understandable I suppose.

I think what the BP book needs is some kind of "event." Something big needs to happen to shake things up and really push him. CW could have been that event since he was making these allinaces with Namor and Doom and some others. Unfortuantely nothing really came out of that.

[princesa]

Yeah, I'll agree with that.

I think that's a big part of the reason why BP's CW tie-ins are my personal favorite arcs in Hudlin's entire run.

It brought back some of the elements that I thought Priest effectively incorporatated. We had political elements (something that should always be there... he's a king in addition to being just a superhero), along with a lot of action and a bit of personal conflict. Though even there, it wasn't terrible extreme... it's not like Stark and BP were buddies to begin with.

I do think it would have been interesting exploring Storms feelings about her fellow X-Men sitting out CW when she opted to get involved. That was sort of a missed opportunity... but Hudlin doesn't seem all that wild about tying his book to the X books too much these days. Which is understandable I suppose.

I think what the BP book needs is some kind of "event." Something big needs to happen to shake things up and really push him. CW could have been that event since he was making these allinaces with Namor and Doom and some others. Unfortuantely nothing really came out of that.


I wanted to see the Doom, Namor alliance who knows its still very possible ...As far as the X Men go I feel like this, look at the Green Lantern series. Very often you see the JLA and the Lantern in there. Why? Thats Jordan's ties. The X Men are Storm's ties and familia. You don;t have to cross every other series but there should be some reflection.

[princesa]

Also I don't think its a matter of RH not wanting to reflect what goes on in the X books on his, Ithink its a matter of time. He has a first job of running a network. You see often where the writers of these series getting together to hash things out on the regular. I don't think he has the time to do that which is whyi wish there was a co-writer (McDuffie) to take up the lack and help co-pilot.

[XPac]

I wanted to see the Doom, Namor alliance who knows its still very possible ...As far as the X Men go I feel like this, look at the Green Lantern series. Very often you see the JLA and the Lantern in there. Why? Thats Jordan's ties. The X Men are Storm's ties and familia. You don;t have to cross every other series but there should be some reflection.

Yeah... the Doom, Namor, BP alliance sounded interestng on paper. Doom and Namor seemed to have a thing at the end of the Namor series so who knows... but Namor's involvement in the order book kind of screws all that up.

In regards to Storm.. I'd like to see the BP book get a bit more involved with the Xverse too. Just a bit. Maybe have a few of the Xmen rogues like Apocalyse or something show up as an adversary to BP and Storm.

And at least mention the fact that Storm was involved in the Messiah Complex (and maybe give an excuse on why BP didn't show up to help out a bit). Or maybe even have Bischop show up. I agree the books shouldnt' be connected in any kind of hardcore way... but there are some interesting elements from the X books can can be incorporated to maybe shake things up (and at the risk of sounding superficial maybe even help sales a bit).

[Sanctus]

[QUOTE=XPac;6245759]Yeah... the Doom, Namor, BP alliance sounded interestng on paper. Doom and Namor seemed to have a thing at the end of the Namor series so who knows... but Namor's involvement in the order book kind of screws all that up.QUOTE]


While nations do not have friends, only interest, each nation is influenced by the character of its leadership. I do not see BP ever seriously entering into an allince with Doom. Unlike Namor and Blackbolt, who can claim hostility toward the land dwellers of earth because their actions, Doom has tried to subjugate the earth and its people for his own pleasure. For BP to enter into an alliance of convenience with such a persona would seriously undermine his credibility internationally and among the superhuman community.

[Excelsior]

Im waiting for Storms reaction to Bishop shooting Xavier. That could be an interesting plot or subplot for the african goddess.

[XPac]

Im waiting for Storms reaction to Bishop killing Xavier.

Hmmm... am I unfairly playing the race card by thinking that it's more likely Hudlin might address the Biscop situation more because Biscop is black? It's probably uncharitable for me to think that, but it's the first thing that popped in my head.

I'd actually for Biscop to show up in the book as an antagonist... but that might be too much in the realm of the X books to show up in BP.

[Excelsior]

Hmmm... am I unfairly playing the race card by thinking that it's more likely Hudlin might address the Biscop situation more because Biscop is black? It's probably uncharitable for me to think that, but it's the first thing that popped in my head.

I'd actually for Biscop to show up in the book as an antagonist... but that might be too much in the realm of the X books to show up in BP.

Well there is one race card I like

JACK OF CLUBS- BLACK PANTHER

http://images.comicbookresources.com/previews/marvelcomics/secretinvasion/cards/jacks/jackofclubs_blackpanther.jpg

The Black Panther plays many roles. King, scientist, diplomat, but to the Skrulls, it’s the Panther’s role as Monarch of Wakanda that is most dangerous. “The Panther has all of the resources of his technologically-superior nation of Wakanda at his disposal, not to mention one of the world's two sources of Vibranium to draw upon,” Brevoort said. “And he's forward-thinking enough that he probably has a plan ready to implement in the case of a Skrull invasion.”

King T’Challa’s strategic mind and royal status make him a dangerous adversary to the Skrull invaders, but it also makes him the perfect target for replacement by a Skrull imposter. “If the Skrulls replace the Black Panther, they get a secure beachhead of territory on Earth, access to cutting-edge technology and resources, and control of the Vibranium Mound,” Brevoort explained. “Plus they get to sleep with Storm.”

If the Skrulls are able to replace T’Challa, not only would they reap a number of strategic rewards, but the Black Panther’s secretive tendencies would make such a scheme that much more difficult to discover. “The Panther so often plays his own game and keeps his own council that were you to replace him, even seemingly contradictory instructions would appear to be normal coming from him,” Brevoort said. “And by the time anybody realized that it was a Skrull Panther calling the shots, it would be too late.”

[Greg Anderson]

Hmmm... am I unfairly playing the race card by thinking that it's more likely Hudlin might address the Biscop situation more because Biscop is black? It's probably uncharitable for me to think that, but it's the first thing that popped in my head.

I'd actually for Biscop to show up in the book as an antagonist... but that might be too much in the realm of the X books to show up in BP.

Well Storm and Bishop were pretty close and seem as best friends a few times in some X-Men books. So it'd be pretty reasonable to see how Storm feels about her former partner and close friend shoot a guy who's basically her father figure.

[Excelsior]

Well Storm and Bishop were pretty close and seem as best friends a few times in some X-Men books. So it'd be pretty reasonable to see how Storm feels about her former partner and close friend shoot a guy who's basically her father figure.

And it would give Storm a chance to have the spotlight, and show that BP does support his wife.

[Loren]

“And he's forward-thinking enough that he probably has a plan ready to implement in the case of a Skrull invasion.”

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Killmonger have a Skrull Contingency Plan sitting in a drawer back during Priest's run?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Killmonger have a Skrull Contingency Plan sitting in a drawer back during Priest's run?

It'll involve magic cats I'm sure. Because we saw the Galactus contigency plan.:p

[XPac]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Killmonger have a Skrull Contingency Plan sitting in a drawer back during Priest's run?

I think McDuffie's FF run kind of proved that contingency plans sound a lot cooler in theory than in practice. It sounds cool and mysterious when it's just mentioned... but when we actually see it, it often fails to live up to the hype.

[princesa]

Storm was close to Bishop for a minute she should have a reaction. And since she has limitless ends she could fund her own institute.

[Excelsior]

I tried to introduce a few alternative writers for consideration to join the Marvel bullpen in the McGruder Thread, but it got trampled on and bulldozed by Hudlin hateration.

There are two top-notch science fiction writers--
One being
-Octavia E. Butler --Read: Mind of my Mind
and the other
Tananarive Due---The Living Blood

has anyone read their novels??

Storm was close to Bishop for a minute she should have a reaction. And since she has limitless ends she could fund her own institute.

Yeah, I know. What will happen to the future of the XSE.

[Sanctus]

I tried to introduce a few alternative writers for consideration to join the Marvel bullpen in the McGruder Thread, but it got trampled on and bulldozed by Hudlin hateration.

There are two top-notch science fiction writers--
One being
-Octavia E. Butler --Read: Mind of my Mind
and the other
Tananarive Due---The Living Blood

has anyone read their novels??



Yeah, I know. What will happen to the future of the XSE.


Octavia is a great writer, but unless she pulls a Jean Gray, she won't be taking over BP anytime soon which is really a shame because she definitely had all of the ideas and talent to produce some great comics.

[Excelsior]

Octavia is a great writer, but unless she pulls a Jean Gray, she won't be taking over BP anytime soon which is really a shame because she definitely had all of the ideas and talent to produce some great comics.


I meant in the vain of Octavia. That McGruder thread wound me up to the point of madness.

[Excelsior]

Dave cockrum had an intersting premise for Storm--stating he would have liked it if she did not have a told origin. Possibly giving her a godlike status, of an immortal nature. I wish someone would have used his African Elementals idea. A race of immortal African mutants with earth powers. Earth, Wind, and Fire-ha ha!! and Water of course.

Or as Sanderson said. CC toying with the idea of Storm's mother being the descendant of a line of african mutants that have elemental powers. Great Idea!!



http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u102/NoPrize/xmencompanion00161jp5ex7.jpg


Secondly, I would like to expand on the history of Black Panther beyond the Hudlin and Preist runs. To Me, Panther's Jungle Action series was the epitome and definitive run--that established his character. Written by Don McGregor.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/15/JungleAction10.jpg

I wish we could be more focal about getting this series collected in a trade format.

[Excelsior]

Fantastic Four 3: Rise of the Black Panther?

Tim Story was successfully able to trick Hollywood into making a Silver Surfer movie under the pretense of a Fantastic Four sequel. It now looks like Story has thought about introducing the Black Panther in Fantastic Four 3.

[CMBMOOL]

I'm not truly like Hudlin's run, but his World Tour and Civil WAr arcs were the best arcs so far. :p

However does anyone think that this trip through alternative Skrull universe is just screaming to us that Storm or someone close to BP could be a Skrull in disguise that will be revealed in the mist of Secret Invasion. :p

[worstblogever]

December Sales figures... BP is down... again.

93 38.38 $2.99 MAR X-Men Die By the Sword #5 27,304 #4 30,272 -2,968 -9.80% 0
94 36.96 $2.99 MAR Order v2007 5 26,293 +4 29,735 -3,442 -11.58% 2
95 36.39 $2.99 MAR Black Panther v2005 #33 25,888 #32 28,415 -2,527 -8.89% 0
96 35.75 $2.99 MAR Ms Marvel #22 25,433 #21 26,474 -1,041 -3.93% 0
97 35.66 $2.99 DC Gotham Underground #3 25,369 #2 26,527 -1,158 -4.37% 0
98 34.83 $3.99 MAR X-Men Messiah Complex Mutant Files 24,778
99 34.72 $2.99 DC Birds of Prey #113 24,700 #112 25,108 -408 -1.62% 0
100 34.52 $2.99 DC Fables #68 24,558 #67 24,831 -273 -1.10% 0
101 34.34 $2.99 MAR Order v2007 6 24,429 5 26,293 -1,864 -7.09% 0
102 33.78 $2.99 IMA Darkness #1 24,031
103 33.55 $2.99 MAR Cable Deadpool #48 23,867 #47 24,379 -512 -2.10% 0

I bolded BP, and in bold and red are books within the same ~25,000 mark (give or take 2,000) that have already been announced by Marvel for cancellation. The sales figures on this book have dropped 20%, 10%, 10%, 9%... maybe it's long since time Marvel did give another writer the reins on this title... if not, they have to hope that Secret Invasion gives it a shot in the arm in... four months? Five?

[Excelsior]

I bolded BP, and in bold and red are books within the same ~25,000 mark (give or take 2,000) that have already been announced by Marvel for cancellation. The sales figures on this book have dropped 20%, 10%, 10%, 9%... maybe it's long since time Marvel did give another writer the reins on this title... if not, they have to hope that Secret Invasion gives it a shot in the arm in... four months? Five?

Yet your own figures show the book is ahead of Deadpool/Cable. MS. MArvel and various other titles. And there are no Threads boasting about their sales going under. as a matter of fact across the board sales are going down. Another pathetic Attempt!!

So this is how you show appreciation for black Panther. :rolleyes:

Obviously you have nothing positive to add--

[Excelsior]

I typed in Black Panther Essential Trade in the search window of Marvel.com's trades department blog and it came up with one entry. A christmas Card featuring Jennifer Grünwald trades editor hoisting a Black Panther over her head triumphantly.

http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/603new_storyimage6482830.jpg

With these comments below--

Wow!
Wow, Jen! That's cool!! You guys must be so fun to work with!

Why, yes, Jen, we ROCK!

Posted by Jen Grunwald on 2006-12-19 13:25:07
Who knew that Jen had Black Panther under her control?

Posted by Lonesome Pinky on 2006-12-23 17:37:37

Now what does this mean??

[worstblogever]

Yet your own figures show the book is ahead of Deadpool/Cable. MS. MArvel and various other titles. And there are no Threads boasting about their sales going under. as a matter of fact across the board sales are going down. Another pathetic Attempt!!

So this is how you show appreciation for black Panther. :rolleyes:

Obviously you have nothing positive to add--

Well, I don't have to add the other books are threatened with cancellation... BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY. This wasn't boasting, it was discussing a sales trend I'd like to see changed in a writing change, to bring people back onto a book with a great character. You're quick to decide what my motivations were offhand... shame your guess was wrong, and if I was going to add anything positive.

I appreciate Black Panther. Just not Hudlin's. And last I checked, this is a "Black Panther Appreciation thread", not a "Reginald Hudlin Appreciation Thread". Christopher Priest's run was far superior, in terms of not only occasional light humor, but intrigue in Wakanda, and all over the Marvel U. Every time they showed the monarchs and diplomats of the M.U. meeting, and T'Challa making Doom, Magneto, and Namor tread lightly, it rocked. When he hired Wolverine as an operative, and outsmarted Tony Stark way back when, I was thrilled.

Now, I'd like to see McGruder's take, if the rumors are true. T'Challa deserves better, is all I'm saying. And if sales are any indication, I'm not the only one with that opinion.

[princesa]

Didn't the heroic Catcher Freeman look T'Challa-ish visually? Thats the way he should be drawn.

[bluedmighty]

Dave cockrum had an intersting premise for Storm--stating he would have liked it if she did not have a told origin. Possibly giving her a godlike status, of an immortal nature. I wish someone would have used his African Elementals idea. A race of immortal African mutants with earth powers. Earth, Wind, and Fire-ha ha!! and Water of course.

Or as Sanderson said. CC toying with the idea of Storm's mother being the descendant of a line of african mutants that have elemental powers. Great Idea!!



http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u102/NoPrize/xmencompanion00161jp5ex7.jpg


Secondly, I would like to expand on the history of Black Panther beyond the Hudlin and Preist runs. To Me, Panther's Jungle Action series was the epitome and definitive run--that established his character. Written by Don McGregor.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/15/JungleAction10.jpg

I wish we could be more focal about getting this series collected in a trade format.

VERY cool stuff.

I plan on spending a few "refund" dollars on back issues.

I plan on buying anything with a Panther on it. :)

Also,

In regards to Storm's origen, there is still alot that can be done or introduced.
Which is why I get so angry and frustrated at writers.

Personally, I always played with the idea, "What if Professor X lied?"
He'd met her in Africa once already as a child. He could have sensed that she had great power. His X-men were in trouble and he needed help so.....

There is hope over the horizon though. Storm's ancient ancestor is now in the present 616 after helping Ian Mcnee defeat Chiton.

What a great oportunity for some writer to bring these two characters together and make a story out of it.

[bluedmighty]

I typed in Black Panther Essential Trade in the search window of Marvel.com's trades department blog and it came up with one entry. A christmas Card featuring Jennifer Grünwald trades editor hoisting a Black Panther over her head triumphantly.

http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/603new_storyimage6482830.jpg



Now what does this mean??

They need an emocon with the "Crazy Face"

Maybe the annual will change a lot of minds.

I know I'm looking forward to it. :D

[Excelsior]

They need an emocon with the "Crazy Face"

Maybe the annual will change a lot of minds.

I know I'm looking forward to it. :D

Yeah, I thought that image meant they were holding up on the Black Panther essential trades :p

[bluedmighty]

Didn't the heroic Catcher Freeman look T'Challa-ish visually? Thats the way he should be drawn.

HAHAHA

Catcher Freeman vs Catcha Freeman vs House N@#$% with a screen play

Priceless :D

[bluedmighty]

Well, I don't have to add the other books are threatened with cancellation... BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY. This wasn't boasting, it was discussing a sales trend I'd like to see changed in a writing change, to bring people back onto a book with a great character. You're quick to decide what my motivations were offhand... shame your guess was wrong, and if I was going to add anything positive.

I appreciate Black Panther. Just not Hudlin's. And last I checked, this is a "Black Panther Appreciation thread", not a "Reginald Hudlin Appreciation Thread". Christopher Priest's run was far superior, in terms of not only occasional light humor, but intrigue in Wakanda, and all over the Marvel U. Every time they showed the monarchs and diplomats of the M.U. meeting, and T'Challa making Doom, Magneto, and Namor tread lightly, it rocked. When he hired Wolverine as an operative, and outsmarted Tony Stark way back when, I was thrilled.

Now, I'd like to see McGruder's take, if the rumors are true. T'Challa deserves better, is all I'm saying. And if sales are any indication, I'm not the only one with that opinion.

I don't know.

I appreciate the "Blaxploitation" route that Hudlin has taken with the Panther.

When I look at the numbers, how many people drop the book and when (very important) they drop the book,

I'm reminded of Melvin Van Peebles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweet_Sweetback%27s_Baadasssss_Song

If there's any body out there that hasn't seen this or Mario Van Peebles autobiagraphical "Badassss"

You really otta.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

December Sales figures... BP is down... again.

93 38.38 $2.99 MAR X-Men Die By the Sword #5 27,304 #4 30,272 -2,968 -9.80% 0
94 36.96 $2.99 MAR Order v2007 5 26,293 +4 29,735 -3,442 -11.58% 2
95 36.39 $2.99 MAR Black Panther v2005 #33 25,888 #32 28,415 -2,527 -8.89% 0
96 35.75 $2.99 MAR Ms Marvel #22 25,433 #21 26,474 -1,041 -3.93% 0
97 35.66 $2.99 DC Gotham Underground #3 25,369 #2 26,527 -1,158 -4.37% 0
98 34.83 $3.99 MAR X-Men Messiah Complex Mutant Files 24,778
99 34.72 $2.99 DC Birds of Prey #113 24,700 #112 25,108 -408 -1.62% 0
100 34.52 $2.99 DC Fables #68 24,558 #67 24,831 -273 -1.10% 0
101 34.34 $2.99 MAR Order v2007 6 24,429 5 26,293 -1,864 -7.09% 0
102 33.78 $2.99 IMA Darkness #1 24,031
103 33.55 $2.99 MAR Cable Deadpool #48 23,867 #47 24,379 -512 -2.10% 0

I bolded BP, and in bold and red are books within the same ~25,000 mark (give or take 2,000) that have already been announced by Marvel for cancellation. The sales figures on this book have dropped 20%, 10%, 10%, 9%... maybe it's long since time Marvel did give another writer the reins on this title... if not, they have to hope that Secret Invasion gives it a shot in the arm in... four months? Five?

I posted this news about a week ago on this board. But yeah they at Marvel are gonna have to seriously look at what to do here regarding the title.

[carabas]

I posted this news about a week ago on this board. But yeah they at Marvel are gonna have to seriously look at what to do here regarding the title.Tie it into another event, I reckon.

Black Panther #14-18: Bride Of The Panther
BP #21-25: Civil War
BP #27-30: Marvel Zombies
BP# 31 and on: left to its own devices, and look at those numbers plummet...

[engen500]

Octavia Butler passed like 2 years ago...My wife loves her work but i haven't read her books..she says it's awesome though...

I think a great writer for BP would be Charles Saunders, auther of the IMARO trilogy...Awesome books....the first black male sf fantasy...better than Conan...

I AGREE wholeheartedly about the Jungle Action run...so many readers would see the true nobility of T'Challa if they put Jungle Action in graphic novel...people would then see how wack Hudlin is...

[princesa]

Tie it into another event, I reckon.

Black Panther #14-18: Bride Of The Panther
BP #21-25: Civil War
BP #27-30: Marvel Zombies
BP# 31 and on: left to its own devices, and look at those numbers plummet...

No book "swims on its own devices" is your issue racial ?

[princesa]

Fantastic Four 3: Rise of the Black Panther?

Tim Story was successfully able to trick Hollywood into making a Silver Surfer movie under the pretense of a Fantastic Four sequel. It now looks like Story has thought about introducing the Black Panther in Fantastic Four 3.


N E way because I can't be sucked into online racial angst therapy (its dumb and not worth my time), is Panther's ist appearance on the FF cartoon available somewhere?

[engen500]

N E way because I can't be sucked into online racial angst therapy (its dumb and not worth my time), is Panther's ist appearance on the FF cartoon available somewhere?

YEP, YOU CAN GET THE WHOLE SERIES ON EBAY FOR PRETTY CHEAP

[carabas]

No book "swims on its own devices" is your issue racial ?Not really. But since you pop that question so without cause, I gues your issue is.

[Magneto_X]

I think a great writer for BP would be Charles Saunders, auther of the IMARO trilogy...Awesome books....the first black male sf fantasy...better than Conan...


Saunders sounds very interesting.

I wonder what he thinks of the Black Panther concept. What his take would be like.

Novelists tend to become great comic writers like Ed Brubaker and Greg Rucka.

[engen500]

Saunders sounds very interesting.

I wonder what he thinks of the Black Panther concept. What his take would be like.

Novelists tend to become great comic writers like Ed Brubaker and Greg Rucka.

yeah dude you should check Saunders out....He wrote them in the late 70's early 80's and i've only gotten thru the first one and It's so ill...Charles Saunders should definately write for BP... True African Warrior Fantasy type s#$%...Makes Conan look weak>>

Imaro Trilogy

Imaro
Imaro II: The Quest for Kush (WORD UP!!!)
Imaro III: The Trail of Bohu

[bluedmighty]

^ I might check that out :D

[GalactaSurfer]

yeah dude you should check Saunders out....He wrote them in the late 70's early 80's and i've only gotten thru the first one and It's so ill...Charles Saunders should definately write for BP... True African Warrior Fantasy type s#$%...Makes Conan look weak>>

Imaro Trilogy

Imaro
Imaro II: The Quest for Kush (WORD UP!!!)
Imaro III: The Trail of Bohu

Thanks now i know what to pick up when i go to the book store today

[The Cool Thatguy]

N E way because I can't be sucked into online racial angst therapy (its dumb and not worth my time), is Panther's ist appearance on the FF cartoon available somewhere?

Err, you realize that he brought that possibility up as a good thing, right?

[Yaw]

N E way because I can't be sucked into online racial angst therapy (its dumb and not worth my time), is Panther's ist appearance on the FF cartoon available somewhere?

i saw it on youtube awhile back.

[Yaw]

I think McDuffie's FF run kind of proved that contingency plans sound a lot cooler in theory than in practice. It sounds cool and mysterious when it's just mentioned... but when we actually see it, it often fails to live up to the hype.

we never saw the full contingency plans. We saw one element of it so this statement is a bit of a misplaced assumption.

[princesa]

i saw it on youtube awhile back.


Thanks hopefully it still there...

[Excelsior]

Oprah a Wakandan statue??

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/9852/original.jpg

[bluedmighty]

^Wild :D

I think this secret invasion will give a lot of people what they're looking for as far as the series goes.

This time he's actually a part of the event from the beginning.

With eveything that's happening and with BP and Storm playing roles, we may get to see:

1. Unrest in the kingdom (noir/sabbatoge type stuff)
2. Pollitical intrigue
3. Marital problems and Stick-together-ness
4. A veiw of Wakanda through the eyes of one or more of it's residants
5. A better understanding of some of the Technology they employ.

What do you guys think?

[engen500]

I Think Bp Will Be One Of The Main Skrulls... I Pray Bp Is A Skrull From The Beginning Of The Current Series Till Now...a Great Way To Bring In New Writers And To Explain T'challa's Lack Of Personality From The Beginning Of This Volume

[Brian M.]

^Wild :D

I think this secret invasion will give a lot of people what they're looking for as far as the series goes.

This time he's actually a part of the event from the beginning.

With eveything that's happening and with BP and Storm playing roles, we may get to see:

1. Unrest in the kingdom (noir/sabbatoge type stuff)
2. Pollitical intrigue
3. Marital problems and Stick-together-ness
4. A veiw of Wakanda through the eyes of one or more of it's residants
5. A better understanding of some of the Technology they employ.

What do you guys think?

I would love that one. I think it really help to understand Wakanda if you saw it through the eyes of someone normal.

[engen500]

please God Let Hudlin's BP Be A Skrull!!!

[bluedmighty]

please God Let Hudlin's BP Be A Skrull!!!

This is only my opinion,

I read your posts before, and don't think the answer to your problem is "skrullification". All the problems you mentioned could be fixed with 2 really good story archs.

Skrulls seem to be coming off as a "reset button" on these boards. Which is scary because I like the direction the book is going in. While work could always be tighter, the general idea is something that I can get behind.

As fans of the character what is it that we're looking for?

If we, as Panther fans, define ourselves, maybe the series and stories wouldn't stay so inconsistent.

[engen500]

This is only my opinion,

I read your posts before, and don't think the answer to your problem is "skrullification". All the problems you mentioned could be fixed with 2 really good story archs.

Skrulls seem to be coming off as a "reset button" on these boards. Which is scary because I like the direction the book is going in. While work could always be tighter, the general idea is something that I can get behind.

As fans of the character what is it that we're looking for?

If we, as Panther fans, define ourselves, maybe the series and stories wouldn't stay so inconsistent.

Check the MYSPACE homey, I love BP . He's the ultimate hero in my book. My 3 year old even digs him, as BP is a positive black role model.

HUDLIN IS THE FIRST ONE WHO HIT THE RESET BUTTON!!!
The stories are inconsistent cause Hudlin has his head up his @ss and held no regard for previous volumes of BP. Blaxploitation has no place in the Black Panther title, and if people think does, then they need to expand their mental. You think Hudlin is doing a good job defining us or even T'Challa for that matter? please...

All of BP's problems wouldn't be fixed with him being a Skrull, but it would be a damn good starting point for the next level in the current series. Maybe, as Panther fans, we should do ourselves a favor and read the JUNGLE ACTION series , the KIRBY RUN and the Marvel Premiere (vs. KKK) arc...
MacGregor's writing was better and showed us the real T'Challa....BP fans need to stop settling for these wack stories Hudlin comes up with and demand quality storytelling...Jack Kirby did more in defining T'Challa then Hudlin does

[SUPERECWFAN1]

It would be more fun and creative to see Storm as the skrull. In fact it ties into the whole Fantastic Four past as Lyja posed as Alica Masters to get close to the FF. Here they could see T'Challa's kingdom as a good piece to gain and use a copy of Storm to do it. (They could explain this is why Storm pushed to help the FF ...she wanted to see what the Baxter building had too)

As a hero Panther suffers heartache , has to struggle to regain his kingdom and gets put thru the paces as they say.

[engen500]

It would be more fun and creative to see Storm as the skrull. In fact it ties into the whole Fantastic Four past as Lyja posed as Alica Masters to get close to the FF. Here they could see T'Challa's kingdom as a good piece to gain and use a copy of Storm to do it. (They could explain this is why Storm pushed to help the FF ...she wanted to see what the Baxter building had too)

As a hero Panther suffers heartache , has to struggle to regain his kingdom and gets put thru the paces as they say.

good idea!!

[Excelsior]

^Wild :D

I think this secret invasion will give a lot of people what they're looking for as far as the series goes.

This time he's actually a part of the event from the beginning.

With eveything that's happening and with BP and Storm playing roles, we may get to see:

1. Unrest in the kingdom (noir/sabbatoge type stuff)
2. Pollitical intrigue
3. Marital problems and Stick-together-ness
4. A veiw of Wakanda through the eyes of one or more of it's residants
5. A better understanding of some of the Technology they employ.

What do you guys think?

Great post and I too am joyful that panther will be in on this crossover friom day one. He stood up to the illuminati, and declined their elitist agenda.

My case for Panther and Storm not being skrull--

Panther did not join the illuminati and kept himself lowkey during Marvels Civil war, that would have provided him the perfect situation to disrupt things on earth further if he were a skrull.

Storm played a small role during the X- crossovers, and she seems prime and ready to help her husband/partner fix the current crisis. Pun intended

[Loren]

With eveything that's happening and with BP and Storm playing roles, we may get to see:

1. Unrest in the kingdom (noir/sabbatoge type stuff)
2. Pollitical intrigue
3. Marital problems and Stick-together-ness
4. A veiw of Wakanda through the eyes of one or more of it's residants
5. A better understanding of some of the Technology they employ.

What do you guys think?

I think that when Hudlin has practically gone out of his way to avoid utilizing any of those five things for the past three years, the odds that he'll start employing very many of them now are pretty low.

[Sanctus]

Great post and I too am joyful that panther will be in on this crossover friom day one. He stood up to the illuminati, and declined