Black Panther Appreciation

[T'Jai]

The book constantly drops outside of crossovers. So lacking one, I'd say the book is in danger of being canned inside of six months.
well since they have one every quarter I say thank Joe for crossover events :biggrin:

[princesa]

well since they have one every quarter I say thank Joe for crossover events :biggrin:

I totally agree I love them. There are a ton of books I get because of them, some I keep some I drop after.

[Excelsior]

This current argument about BP and the title's supposed- cancellation reminds me of the same debate I heard when the Blade character was announced as the focus of a Marvel motion picture. Some posters then said It wont work, their isn't an audience for this character. And Boy were the naysayers wrong.

BP needs the same quality of revision. Supporting cast. Cool villains, Cool gadgets...great plot, and dialogue. A successful series establishes the rules of it genre..who's who and what's what. The book has had all of these things during its many volumes but never on a consistent basis. Priest is always cited as the best of the BP writers, But McGregor was just as good.

I say include more Jungle heroes---Kazar, Shanna..links to the Savage Land--BP has promised to protect that region. BP deserves to be a smarter book.

[T'Jai]

This current argument about BP and the title's supposed- cancellation reminds me of the same debate I heard when the Blade character was announced as the focus of a Marvel motion picture. Some posters then said It wont work, their isn't an audience for this character. And Boy were the naysayers wrong.

BP needs the same quality of revision. Supporting cast. Cool villains, Cool gadgets...great plot, and dialogue. A successful series establishes the rules of it genre..who's who and what's what. The book has had all of these things during its many volumes but never on a consistent basis. Priest is always cited as the best of the BP writers, But McGregor was just as good.

I say include more Jungle heroes---Kazar, Shanna..links to the Savage Land--BP has promised to protect that region. BP deserves to be a smarter book.I agree with the lack of consistency, not sure about the Jungle angle as a Major push but definitely something that should be part of the byline I really enjoy the way Hudlin has put him onto the superpowered international list big time ( Priest did it but Hudlin has a better climate for it with the x-overs) combine that with Priests pawn to topple insurrection story (Lord of the Damned) add McGregors musketeers and a few other supporting players (of all shades) and the book would KILL

[princesa]

This current argument about BP and the title's supposed- cancellation reminds me of the same debate I heard when the Blade character was announced as the focus of a Marvel motion picture. Some posters then said It wont work, their isn't an audience for this character. And Boy were the naysayers wrong.

BP needs the same quality of revision. Supporting cast. Cool villains, Cool gadgets...great plot, and dialogue. A successful series establishes the rules of it genre..who's who and what's what. The book has had all of these things during its many volumes but never on a consistent basis. Priest is always cited as the best of the BP writers, But McGregor was just as good.

I say include more Jungle heroes---Kazar, Shanna..links to the Savage Land--BP has promised to protect that region. BP deserves to be a smarter book.

I totally agree Excelsior. And add quality art and actually tying into the X verse along with dialogue and plot.

[Blade X]

are we in danger of cancellation? hadn't heard anything to that effect...

Before the SECRET INVASION tie in issue, BP was selling around 19,000 copies. So yes, the book is in danger of being canceled. However, if the book sales well in trade form (like AMAZING SPIDER-GIRL) outside of the direct market, the book will most likely continue.

[Blade X]

BP needs the same quality of revision. Supporting cast. Cool villains, Cool gadgets...great plot, and dialogue. A successful series establishes the rules of it genre..who's who and what's what. The book has had all of these things during its many volumes but never on a consistent basis. Priest is always cited as the best of the BP writers, But McGregor was just as good.

I say include more Jungle heroes---Kazar, Shanna..links to the Savage Land--BP has promised to protect that region. BP deserves to be a smarter book.

I think what the BP book needs in order for it to POSSIBLY sell better, is for the book to be converted into an international team book with BP headlining and leading the team. The book could be called BLACK PANTHER'S CLAWS ("Claws" being the name of BP's team). Storm could be the co-leader of the team (Although I prefer the whole stupid marriage be retconned).

I also think that some of BP's history has to be revamped and/or retconned in order to make him no longer the CURRENT king of Wakanda (which would be ruled by a council of elders since T'Chala's father was killed). IT'Challa should still be the hereditary ruler of Wakanda, but he cannot claim that thrown until he (a) reaches a certain age (age 50) (b) gains some worldly experience and (c) is shown to be a wise and just man of honor and compassion. However, he would still be able to have access to many of Wakanda's resources and wealth.

[Excelsior]

I think what the BP book needs in order for it to POSSIBLY sell better, is for the book to be converted into an international team book with BP headlining and leading the team. The book could be called BLACK PANTHER'S CLAWS ("Claws" being the name of BP's team). Storm could be the co-leader of the team (Although I prefer the whole stupid marriage be retconned).

I also think that some of BP's history has to be revamped and/or retconned in order to make him no longer the CURRENT king of Wakanda (which would be ruled by a council of elders since T'Chala's father was killed). IT'Challa should still be the hereditary ruler of Wakanda, but he cannot claim that thrown until he (a) reaches a certain age (age 50) (b) gains some worldly experience and (c) is shown to be a wise and just man of honor and compassion. However, he would still be able to have access to many of Wakanda's resources and wealth.

Maybe Black Panther should be viewed/seen as separate entity from the king of Wakanda. Black Panther should be the protector of Wakanda--in similiar fashion to the ole Zorro legend--as well being the secret identity of T'challa . That way T'challa will be the international leader and spokesman for the land. And Black Panther will be this mysterious champion of the people.

In this sense, T'challa could walk among the people and get a real sense of whats going on and react accordingly without the weight of his royal stature getting in the way. BP could play off T'challa and vice versa, altho in reality they are the same person.



ill pic of BP having a go at Hulk

http://jeremeyes.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/worldwarhulk02.jpg

[princesa]

When I say revamp I mean totally revamping. I like the Panther and Storm to me they are like Batman and Wonder Woman on JLU except its the king and goddess instead of knight and goddess. But Storm has been Storm in name only to me. Storm needs to be in the title and while I'm not saying this should be an X book per se it should certainly flow along with them. Storm is the most politically prominent mutant in the world and never even says the word. And it should be an international team book. And I like the Storm as team leader but also you have Monica Rambeau and a lot of Storm's allies not being utilized like Rogue. Bring in Kasper Cole. You have Shuri whom I love. The Dora's...

[Umbra]

Aaron taking over the book still won't stop BP from getting canceled. The sad truth of the matter is that with the possible exception of having Joss Wheedon and Kevin Smith write the book, BP will NOT sell well (without gimmicks) no matter who is writing the book. Hell, hiring Wheedon and Smith to write the book would be a gimmick itself. So as much as I hate Hudlin's BP run, he cannot be completely blamed for why the book doesn't sell well. BP is one of those characters (like Gambit,Rogue,Nightcrawler,Blade,and Hawkeye) who are popular and/or only work as part of a team book, but cannot sustain/carry their own ongoing series.


The book is not being cancelled. Per JA even... so stop the BS. I also think that if JA took over the book, it would sale.

[akumasan]

Before the SECRET INVASION tie in issue, BP was selling around 19,000 copies. So yes, the book is in danger of being canceled. However, if the book sales well in trade form (like AMAZING SPIDER-GIRL) outside of the direct market, the book will most likely continue.

There you go you just answered it yourself. Because ASG sells even less than BP and her book is still running. And the crossover argument even though it is true it is getting old. To be honest MS Marvel and She-Hulk barely sells above 20K before crossover events and both of the books are still around so should both books get canned too? Yes of course a comic with a women as the lead in the book dont sell as well at times in comparison to a male lead but still.

[princesa]

There you go you just answered it yourself. Because ASG sells even less than BP and her book is still running. And the crossover argument even though it is true it is getting old. To be honest MS Marvel and She-Hulk barely sells above 20K before crossover events and both of the books are still around so should both books get canned too? Yes of course a comic with a women as the lead in the book dont sell as well at times in comparison to a male lead but still.


Very true. And there is a reason Ms M has Spidey in her annual and She Hulk has arcs with Valkyrie and Storm amongst others coming up and while I don't necessarily buy She Hulk on the regular I will get those arcs and hang around of I like it. Diversity helps the all important expanding of markets. As for the Panther I want changes because I want the book to be better as much as anything. I just feel its potential is being over utilized.

[DaeJi]

There you go you just answered it yourself. Because ASG sells even less than BP and her book is still running. And the crossover argument even though it is true it is getting old. To be honest MS Marvel and She-Hulk barely sells above 20K before crossover events and both of the books are still around so should both books get canned too? Yes of course a comic with a women as the lead in the book dont sell as well at times in comparison to a male lead but still.

Except just over the cancellation line is still over the cancellation line, where Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk currently are. Black Panther is under the line. So it's not a good comparison. Exactly how well are the Black Panther trades selling?

[The Cool Thatguy]

There you go you just answered it yourself. Because ASG sells even less than BP and her book is still running. And the crossover argument even though it is true it is getting old. To be honest MS Marvel and She-Hulk barely sells above 20K before crossover events and both of the books are still around so should both books get canned too? Yes of course a comic with a women as the lead in the book dont sell as well at times in comparison to a male lead but still.

The difference is that those titles might have dedicated or stable numbers, whereas Panther has shown no ability to retain writers.

Spider-Girl might only sell a certain number from month to month, but it's the same number. With a dedicated team (Defalco has sworn off all other Marvel books, I believe), Marvel really loses nothing while retaining a reliable book.

Hudlin's Panther, on the other had, has not (yet) shown itself to be reliable in any fashion. It's taken nose dive after nose dive, saved only by the usual crossover bump. Therefor, using Spider-Girl as a comparison really isn't valid. Especially when you factor in all effort put into the current book.

[princesa]

Riiight. :rolleyes:

[Blade X]

The book is not being cancelled. Per JA even... so stop the BS. I also think that if JA took over the book, it would sale.

What you call BS I call FACT based off of the past sales history of the book. Trust me, I'm usually right about this kind of stuff. After all, I work in a comic shop.

[Blade X]

There you go you just answered it yourself. Because ASG sells even less than BP and her book is still running. And the crossover argument even though it is true it is getting old. To be honest MS Marvel and She-Hulk barely sells above 20K before crossover events and both of the books are still around so should both books get canned too? Yes of course a comic with a women as the lead in the book dont sell as well at times in comparison to a male lead but still.

I guess you missed the part of my post where I said that the only reason why ASG is still around is because the book sales well in the digest format in other venues outside of the direct sales market.

And for the record, both MS MARVEL and SHE-HULK are also endangered of being canceled and only sell well when gimmicks are used on those 2 books as well.

[Blade X]

Maybe Black Panther should be viewed/seen as separate entity from the king of Wakanda. Black Panther should be the protector of Wakanda--in similiar fashion to the ole Zorro legend--as well being the secret identity of T'challa . That way T'challa will be the international leader and spokesman for the land. And Black Panther will be this mysterious champion of the people.

In this sense, T'challa could walk among the people and get a real sense of whats going on and react accordingly without the weight of his royal stature getting in the way. BP could play off T'challa and vice versa, altho in reality they are the same person.



ill pic of BP having a go at Hulk

http://jeremeyes.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/worldwarhulk02.jpg

That is also a very cool idea. The only possible down side to your idea is that the book (depending on the writer) might get to bogged down in political drama, which was the ONLY problem with Priest's run on the book. BP should be an action packed high adventure superhero book, NOT a talking heads high brow political thriller/drama.

[akumasan]

Except just over the cancellation line is still over the cancellation line, where Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk currently are. Black Panther is under the line. So it's not a good comparison. Exactly how well are the Black Panther trades selling?
Now with you bottom line logic then ASG should be canned as well because her book is below the "cancellation line". :rolleyes:

Wasnt that the point is that these books MSM and SH go through the "crossover bumps" as well? Nevermind the fact both of their titles are around 22K all the time. How well are the trades of MSM or SH are selling? The difference is that those titles might have dedicated or stable numbers, whereas Panther has shown no ability to retain writers.

Spider-Girl might only sell a certain number from month to month, but it's the same number. With a dedicated team (Defalco has sworn off all other Marvel books, I believe), Marvel really loses nothing while retaining a reliable book.

Hudlin's Panther, on the other had, has not (yet) shown itself to be reliable in any fashion. It's taken nose dive after nose dive, saved only by the usual crossover bump. Therefore, using Spider-Girl as a comparison really isn't valid. Especially when you factor in all effort put into the current book.
The bottom line is the bottom line. Their books are barely above the supposedly cancelation line and the books are still selling is my point.

As for ASG her books are far below the allegedly cancelation line and her book is still going on :rolleyes:. Even though what defalco is doing his best, let's be honest here the MC2 Universe just doesnt click. There is a reason why many of the books in the MC2 Universe was canned because no one was buying and it is the same for ASG. If it wasnt for the fact of her being the daughter of Peter Parker this book would be gone period.

As expected more Hudlin ammo. Wasnt that the point that marvel was trying to get BP involved in the main MU? Civil War, House of M, Secret Invasion all of them are major events that affected the entire 616 MU I dont see a problem really. Actually using ASG is valid because it is below the cancelation line according to DaeJi. :biggrin:

I wonder I must have misses the era when BP was a big seller. The many Priest zombies act like BP was selling 40K on the regular and then Hudlin came along and screwed things up. Im sorry I just dont want this book to get canned regardless of who is writing the book. If it is Priest, Hudlin, Aaron, Mcgregor, Torres or whomever. I dont want this book to get canned period. BP is the one book that got me back into comics.


I guess you missed the part of my post where I said that the only reason why ASG is still around is because the book sales well in the digest format in other venues outside of the direct sales market.

And for the record, both MS MARVEL and SHE-HULK are also endangered of being canceled and only sell well when gimmicks are used on those 2 books as well.1. I didnt miss it at all. You brought up ASG regarding why she is staying around and I just simply stated that her book is below the number of 19K and it is still selling.

2. That was my point in the first place regarding BP getting cancelled as well.

[DaeJi]

Now with you bottom line logic then ASG should be canned as well because her book is below the "cancellation line". :rolleyes:


I didn't bring up Spider-Girl, did I? The fact remains that Black Panther is often below the cancellation line and Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk are not. I don't understand the deal with Spider-Girl, but I have read that her digests sell very well, which is why I asked the question about the Black Panther trades. Like it or not, the current run on the title is not a strong seller, and is weak critically. Something is keeping this book on the market, and I am interested in what that is. With Spider-Girl I have an idea, and creators and editors alike have comment on what keeps that book afloat (fan protest, strong digest sales and a constant flow of readers), but with the Black Panther we don't get that. What keeps this book in print?

[akumasan]

I didn't bring up Spider-Girl, did I? The fact remains that Black Panther is often below the cancellation line and Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk are not. I don't understand the deal with Spider-Girl, but I have read that her digests sell very well, which is why I asked the question about the Black Panther trades. Like it or not, the current run on the title is not a strong seller, and is weak critically. Something is keeping this book on the market, and I am interested in what that is. With Spider-Girl I have an idea, and creators and editors alike have comment on what keeps that book afloat (fan protest, strong digest sales and a constant flow of readers), but with the Black Panther we don't get that. What keeps this book in print?

No you didnt bring it up but you also stated that since BP is below the cancelation line and it should get canned. ASG is below BP and my point is that she should get canceled too.

[Blade X]

1. I didnt miss it at all. You brought up ASG regarding why she is staying around and I just simply stated that her book is below the number of 19K and it is still selling.

I think you are missing my point. The ONLY reason why ASG is still around is because the book sells well in digest format in other venues outside of the direct market

[DaeJi]

No you didnt bring it up but you also stated that since BP is below the cancelation line and it should get canned. ASG is below BP and my point is that she should get canceled too.

That's strange, I looked all over my post but I can't seem to see where I said that Black Panther should be canceled. I mean it must be there, you did call me out on it. I know you aren't putting words in my mouth, so I must not be seeing it. Wow, that is really annoying, isn't it?

[akumasan]

That's strange, I looked all over my post but I can't seem to see where I said that Black Panther should be canceled. I mean it must be there, you did call me out on it. I know you aren't putting words in my mouth, so I must not be seeing it. Wow, that is really annoying, isn't it?

I dont know it must be

[princesa]

And now we declare a truce.

[DaeJi]

I dont know it must be

Point is the Black Panther title is failing, both commercially and critically. I don't want the title to sink; I like the character and liked Priest run on the book and several of the more classic tales. I'm hearing good things about the Secret Invasion tie-ins, so I may give those a look. I want the character to succeed. And to do that I first want to know why the book is still in print and then how to keep it in print. Preferably with a far better writer than Hudlin.

[akumasan]

Point is the Black Panther title is failing, both commercially and critically. I don't want the title to sink; I like the character and liked Priest run on the book and several of the more classic tales. I'm hearing good things about the Secret Invasion tie-ins, so I may give those a look. I want the character to succeed. And to do that I first want to know why the book is still in print and then how to keep it in print. Preferably with a far better writer than Hudlin.
Im in the same boat just as much as you are. I just dont want this book to get canned or sink or anything. And again im staying on unitl the bitter ending (if it does happen)

Well since the overall consesus is that it is very hard to write a character such as BP then they could do something similar to what they are doing with ASM or just have a cowriter.

[The Cool Thatguy]

[QUOTE=akumasan;7590713]
The bottom line is the bottom line. Their books are barely above the supposedly cancelation line and the books are still selling is my point.

As for ASG her books are far below the allegedly cancelation line and her book is still going on :rolleyes:. Even though what defalco is doing his best, let's be honest here the MC2 Universe just doesnt click. There is a reason why many of the books in the MC2 Universe was canned because no one was buying and it is the same for ASG. If it wasnt for the fact of her being the daughter of Peter Parker this book would be gone period.

As expected more Hudlin ammo. Wasnt that the point that marvel was trying to get BP involved in the main MU? Civil War, House of M, Secret Invasion all of them are major events that affected the entire 616 MU I dont see a problem really. Actually using ASG is valid because it is below the cancelation line according to DaeJi. :biggrin:

I wonder I must have misses the era when BP was a big seller. The many Priest zombies act like BP was selling 40K on the regular and then Hudlin came along and screwed things up. Im sorry I just dont want this book to get canned regardless of who is writing the book. If it is Priest, Hudlin, Aaron, Mcgregor, Torres or whomever. I dont want this book to get canned period. BP is the one book that got me back into comics.[QUOTE]

1) She-Hulk and Ms. Marvel aren't like Black Panther, which has shown no ability to retain readers.

2) You completely ignored my point about the fact that Spider-Girl has a reliable fanbase. That's why her book still sells. There's a profit, however small, and it's always there. You then went into a pointless rant against MC2, probably to distract from my point. You do that alot.

3) Relying on crossovers to sell a book, instead of using the book's own plots/characters/etc is pretty weak and as sales history has shown, unreliable.

4) At no point do I mentoin Priest in my post. Nor have I ever stated that he sold around 40K, and I haven't seen any other Priest fan claim that. Stop putting words in my mouth because you don't have an arguement, Akuma. It's annoying and pretty obvious. Respond to what I say, not what you think I said/or what you'd like me to say.

[princesa]

Akumasan what woud you like to see in the title going forward sir?

[sneggz]

Akumasan what woud you like to see in the title going forward sir?
Not Akumasan, but I know what I would like to see.
1: Jason Aaron taking over for Hudlin. Hudlin makes BP too good. I wanna see the good guy in a bind once in a while.
2: The real Storm. What is it with these leading ladies (Emma, Ororo) transforming damn near into lapdog status once they get married?

[Excelsior]

Not Akumasan, but I know what I would like to see.
1: Jason Aaron taking over for Hudlin. Hudlin makes BP too good. I wanna see the good guy in a bind once in a while.
2: The real Storm. What is it with these leading ladies (Emma, Ororo) transforming damn near into lapdog status once they get married?


1. I agree. Character is shone by how a person handles adversity.

2. Real Storm?? as in Astonishing #26 where she couldnt lift Wolverine--or Real Storm-- BP/Fantastic Four where she harnessed her powers adroitly??

[princesa]

Not Akumasan, but I know what I would like to see.
1: Jason Aaron taking over for Hudlin. Hudlin makes BP too good. I wanna see the good guy in a bind once in a while.
2: The real Storm. What is it with these leading ladies (Emma, Ororo) transforming damn near into lapdog status once they get married?

I would like to see Aaron stay on as well. I like his tone and take of the character and I like the distinctive art of his run.

I'd like to see Storm truly be the co-star of the book. You have the whole mutant crisis going on with no mention I can think of at all.

[princesa]

1. I agree. Character is shone by how a person handles adversity.

2. Real Storm?? as in Astonishing #26 where she couldnt lift Wolverine--or Real Storm-- BP/Fantastic Four where she harnessed her powers adroitly??


I didn't understand that Wolverine thing either Other than that and SB sometimes draws her a little tranny looking I like the take.

What would you like to see Mr. Excelsior. What is your ideal take?

[The Cool Thatguy]

1. I agree. Character is shone by how a person handles adversity.

2. Real Storm?? as in Astonishing #26 where she couldnt lift Wolverine--or Real Storm-- BP/Fantastic Four where she harnessed her powers adroitly??


I'm so surprised how many people jump on the 'Storm can't lift Wolverine' thing without even considering the possibility that it was a joke on Logan by Storm. Ain't like the fall would have hurt him in the least.

[taozen]

I'm so surprised how many people jump on the 'Storm can't lift Wolverine' thing without even considering the possibility that it was a joke on Logan by Storm. Ain't like the fall would have hurt him in the least.

Ellis has always been considered the "science fiction guy." I thought about the Storm flying Logan situation. It could been that Storm could lift Logan but not at the same time control the normal weighted people. Meaning if she lifted Logan with her winds, then she would have difficulty controlling the others safely. So she had to choose and the decision was easy since Logan is so durable. Now that is just my theory.

[princesa]

Ellis has always been considered the "science fiction guy." I thought about the Storm flying Logan situation. It could been that Storm could lift Logan but not at the same time control the normal weighted people. Meaning if she lifted Logan with her winds, then she would have difficulty controlling the others safely. So she had to choose and the decision was easy since Logan is so durable. Now that is just my theory.


I didn't see it as a joke but I did consider the balancing of the wind force angle.

[sneggz]

1. I agree. Character is shone by how a person handles adversity.

2. Real Storm?? as in Astonishing #26 where she couldnt lift Wolverine--or Real Storm-- BP/Fantastic Four where she harnessed her powers adroitly??

Astonishing Storm is yet to be shown as real storm. I remember a day when storm was a take charge gal, a leader. Admittedly, i dont read every single bp issue, but storm just seems like wallpaper. I thought T'Charlie loved her independence, what happenned to it?

[Excelsior]

Ellis has always been considered the "science fiction guy." I thought about the Storm flying Logan situation. It could been that Storm could lift Logan but not at the same time control the normal weighted people. Meaning if she lifted Logan with her winds, then she would have difficulty controlling the others safely. So she had to choose and the decision was easy since Logan is so durable. Now that is just my theory.

Well science fiction guy ignores inertia when it comes to Cyclops blasts. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Cyke shoots force blasts with Howitzer like concussive force..Scott should be plowed into the ground every time he fires his blasts, but I digress.

[Excelsior]

I didn't understand that Wolverine thing either Other than that and SB sometimes draws her a little tranny looking I like the take.

What would you like to see Mr. Excelsior. What is your ideal take?

Storm circa 1975 to 1991. She led the X-men with no powers. But she is treated or at least recently shown like shes trying to fit in. Has Wolverine ever had to do this. He takes off for long periods of time and no one says anything and he acts like if they have a problem...screw them!

Also we have Grant Morrison showing Sage and Jean having an evil eye stare panel. But Jean instantly forgave Scott for the Madelene Pryor thing and Emma who along with Mastermind unleashed the Dark Phoenix side of her. i dont get it.

[Imraith Nimphais]

Ellis has always been considered the "science fiction guy." I thought about the Storm flying Logan situation. It could been that Storm could lift Logan but not at the same time control the normal weighted people. Meaning if she lifted Logan with her winds, then she would have difficulty controlling the others safely. So she had to choose and the decision was easy since Logan is so durable. Now that is just my theory.

And as wonderful as this is...from a scientific perspective...these are MUTANTS with "impossible" abilities...I for one, like a healthy dose of improbability when it comes to my comic book superheroes...in an early (80's) arc.."young dragons in love" to be exact she lifts the entire team (including Logan), and flies them across Japan...all with her winds...science-schmience.

[princesa]

And as wonderful as this is...from a scientific perspective...these are MUTANTS with "impossible" abilities...I for one, like a healthy dose of improbability when it comes to my comic book superheroes...in an early (80's) arc.."young dragons in love" to be exact she lifts the entire team (including Logan), and flies them across Japan...all with her winds...science-schmience.


Good point.

[akumasan]

I would like to say that I am a bit disppointed in this final story of the arc. I'll wait for other people to post. Let's just say that Storm fans will be pissed and I wouldnt be surprised that people will not like how they get out of it. That is all

[Umbra]

I would like to say that I am a bit disppointed in this final story of the arc. I'll wait for others people and their post. Let's just say that Storm will be pissed and I wouldnt be surprised that people will not like how they get out of it. That is all

That's a real bummer.:frown: Too bad, because the first two issues were great.

[Imraith Nimphais]

Well...as I have not read it yet I will reserve judgement and critique...esp. as the M-offices are seemingly NOT tying up the loose ends (neatly) until the ENTIRE SI story is finished in November...aside from that, (and I may be wrong in thinking this) does not the end of this SI arc somewot lead into the Worlds Apart Storm mini?...I am thinking that wot-ever did not play out here is sure to have some effect/repercussion over there.

[akumasan]

Well...as I have not read it yet I will reserve judgement and critique...esp. as the M-offices are seemingly NOT tying up the loose ends (neatly) until the ENTIRE SI story is finished in November...aside from that, (and I may be wrong in thinking this) does not the end of this SI arc somewot lead into the Worlds Apart Storm mini?...I am thinking that wot-ever did not play out here is sure to have some effect/repercussion over there.

Well lets hope so

[Frostbite883]

Spoilers please?

[engen500]

I've been saying this for like 3 years,
if Black Panther had joined Captain America and Iron Man in forming the NEW AVENGERS, the Marvel Universe would be totally different right now.

[The Cool Thatguy]

So no comments about the Ultimate Black Panther reveal?

Nuts, I really hoped we could come together in bashing Jeph.

[Umbra]

So no comments about the Ultimate Black Panther reveal?

Nuts, I really hoped we could come together in bashing Jeph.

Yeah, it was lame. But...whatever... I'm use to seeing lame ish when it comes to Marvel now.

I thought that changing NF to black was lame... and making BP who he was is REALLY LAME.

[princesa]

So no comments about the Ultimate Black Panther reveal?

Nuts, I really hoped we could come together in bashing Jeph.


What was the reveal? I like MOST things Panther but I had to let that one go because it was just not good.

[princesa]

...btw I loved this entire arc. Keep the chair Jason.

[The Cool Thatguy]

What was the reveal? I like MOST things Panther but I had to let that one go because it was just not good.

Wise choice. Basically, for reasons unrevealed, Captain America is Black Panther.

Given the writer, I think we can trust that it will make no sense whatsoever.

[akumasan]

Wise choice. Basically, for reasons unrevealed, Captain America is Black Panther.

Given the writer, I think we can trust that it will make no sense whatsoever.

:eek: :confused: um then who was he fighting? a clone?

[Umbra]

What was the reveal? I like MOST things Panther but I had to let that one go because it was just not good.

:evilangry:
Captain America

[Umbra]

...btw I loved this entire arc. Keep the chair Jason.

It was/is a classic in my opinion.

'See Wakanda and Die' will go down as a classic.

[The Cool Thatguy]

:eek: :confused: um then who was he fighting? a clone?

Robot, if you're talking about the comic. As for the cover, that's probably just symbolic.

[akumasan]

Robot, if you're talking about the comic. As for the cover, that's probably just symbolic.

wow that is pretty lame. Jeez Loeb for crying out loud dayum!

I thought that changing NF to black was lame... and making BP who he was is REALLY LAME.
May i ask who is NF?

[Umbra]

wow that is pretty lame. Jeez Loeb for crying out loud dayum!


May i ask who is NF?

Fury
:wink:

[Greg Anderson]

Okay, I know this is random but I just love these two together. Decided to post this pic here as we're all arguing their relationship currently at the X-forum. :redface:

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/xeero0/StormandTChalla.jpg

[akumasan]

Fury
:wink:
meh it is not that bad really. It doesnt have to follow 616 all the way. I guess that is why BP is CA
Okay, I know this is random but I just love these two together. Decided to post this pic here as we're all arguing their relationship currently at the X-forum. :redface:

Dont even get me started on that thread. Im disappointed that the thread lasted as long as 22 pages of the same banter.

[Excelsior]

Wise choice. Basically, for reasons unrevealed, Captain America is Black Panther.

Given the writer, I think we can trust that it will make no sense whatsoever.

If it would have been KaZar, he would have 0wed me a HUGE check!!! :biggrin:

[princesa]

So its official this book is relaunching. With Hudlin for now anyway. I'm not going to pretend I am not displeased. It was time for a clean fresh start.

[Umbra]

So its official this book is relaunching. With Hudlin for now anyway. I'm not going to pretend I am not displeased. It was time for a clean fresh start.

huh? :confused: :eek:

[taozen]

So its official this book is relaunching. With Hudlin for now anyway. I'm not going to pretend I am not displeased. It was time for a clean fresh start.

What'cho talkin' 'bout Willis?!?!?

[Expletive Deleted]

What'cho talkin' 'bout Willis?!?!?http://www.newsarama.com/comics/080927-baltimore-cupofb.htmlWhat is happening with Black Panther? Brevoort: It will be continuing and relaunching right after Secret Invasion around February. Secret Invasion will affect it. It will still be Reggie Hudlin writing and will still be monthly, but it's just setting up something new after Secret Invasion.

[DaeJi]

So its official this book is relaunching. With Hudlin for now anyway. I'm not going to pretend I am not displeased. It was time for a clean fresh start.

Well, there goes any hope for the series.

[princesa]

The relaunching part I like. That was a good thing. That was positive. The other part I do not understand. That was a kick in the stomach.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I had heard BP was relaunching and thought.... ohh Marvel must have a big plan to lure readers and put a new creative team on the series. To make it work this time.

Instead... its caving yet again. Jeeze...did this new series not just show us Hudlin isn't working ? How much more can ya kick the can with the same writer ?

Its a lot like the decision by DC to keep sticking with Judd Winick on Green Arrow. And with relaunches and big time hyped arcs...utter FAILURE.

Tom Brevoort has some weird faith in Reginald Hudlin. But well...with better writers out there its becoming a comedy of errors. Like how much can being cronies with someone can tank a series and character.

Keep going Brevoort...but after this relaunch the book will again ... DIE. And you'll have yourself to blame as usual for sticking with someone who hasn't produced.

[princesa]

I had heard BP was relaunching and thought.... ohh Marvel must have a big plan to lure readers and put a new creative team on the series. To make it work this time.

Instead... its caving yet again. Jeeze...did this new series not just show us Hudlin isn't working ? How much more can ya kick the can with the same writer ?

Its a lot like the decision by DC to keep sticking with Judd Winick on Green Arrow. And with relaunches and big time hyped arcs...utter FAILURE.

Tom Brevoort has some weird faith in Reginald Hudlin. But well...with better writers out there its becoming a comedy of errors. Like how much can being cronies with someone can tank a series and character.

Keep going Brevoort...but after this relaunch the book will again ... DIE. And you'll have yourself to blame as usual for sticking with someone who hasn't produced.

I don't understand it either. Its idiocy. I'm disheartened...

[SquidSquod]

Marvel must hate sales. Jason Aaron can be so much better.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I don't understand it either. Its idiocy. I'm disheartened...

Marvel must hate sales. Jason Aaron can be so much better.

People should joke in front of Brevoort "We'd try Black Panther ..but ya don't want our money. What with a Greg Rucka or some good writer out there !"

Whatever sales bump the VP of BET could gave you is over. He lost that job...its time someone told Marvel they can stop sucking up now.

[Dagger]

So its official this book is relaunching. With Hudlin for now anyway. I'm not going to pretend I am not displeased. It was time for a clean fresh start.
Boo. Seriously, boo.:mad:

[marvell2100]

Why the need for a relaunch? Are any other books going to relaunch once SI is over? Makes no sense whatsoever. Just start in a new direction like alot of other books are going to do. Keep the numbering, change the creative team and say that this is a "good jumping on point for new readers!"

[akumasan]

People should joke in front of Brevoort "We'd try Black Panther ..but ya don't want our money. What with a Greg Rucka or some good writer out there !"

Well to be honest people had a chance yesterday at Baltimore Comic Con for their complaints. He was sitting with Dan Slott signing books.

[lonewolf23k]

So its official this book is relaunching. With Hudlin for now anyway. I'm not going to pretend I am not displeased. It was time for a clean fresh start.

So, next thing you know, he's going to be retconning Wakanda's history again, making it the cradle of human civilisation, with everyone else being descended from bad people the primordial Wakandans exiled, who then became the ancestors of the other races...

...And Dear Lord I hope I haven't given Hudlin ideas...

[princesa]

So, next thing you know, he's going to be retconning Wakanda's history again, making it the cradle of human civilisation, with everyone else being descended from bad people the primordial Wakandans exiled, who then became the ancestors of the other races...

...And Dear Lord I hope I haven't given Hudlin ideas...


I wouldn't have a problem with that, hell why not Wakanda? It did start in Africa afterall. Just give me some good stories.

[princesa]

Well to be honest people had a chance yesterday at Baltimore Comic Con for their complaints. He was sitting with Dan Slott signing books.


Does he/Marvel have an editorial email cuz I can't find one.

[CMBMOOL]

I had heard BP was relaunching and thought.... ohh Marvel must have a big plan to lure readers and put a new creative team on the series. To make it work this time.

Instead... its caving yet again. Jeeze...did this new series not just show us Hudlin isn't working ? How much more can ya kick the can with the same writer ?

Its a lot like the decision by DC to keep sticking with Judd Winick on Green Arrow. And with relaunches and big time hyped arcs...utter FAILURE.

Tom Brevoort has some weird faith in Reginald Hudlin. But well...with better writers out there its becoming a comedy of errors. Like how much can being cronies with someone can tank a series and character.

Keep going Brevoort...but after this relaunch the book will again ... DIE. And you'll have yourself to blame as usual for sticking with someone who hasn't produced.
Great comparasion, I mean it like Hudlin is like the Winick of Marvel Comics. :frown:

[CMBMOOL]

The relaunching part I like. That was a good thing. That was positive. The other part I do not understand. That was a kick in the stomach.
My guess is that they're waiting until after the events of the X-men Worlds Apart mini-series to find out the status of the marriage.

Which may be a good idea at first, but in the long run we still suffer Hudlin's writing. :frown:

[Umbra]

My guess is that they're waiting until after the events of the X-men Worlds Apart mini-series to find out the status of the marriage.

Which may be a good idea at first, but in the long run we still suffer Hudlin's writing. :frown:

But then again... writing comics was his part time job. Since in left BET, maybe it will be better... we will have to hope and pray to the GOD that something changes.

[Umbra]

Favorite Quote of mine from BP SI #41


Storm: Tell them to go the hell, honey.
T'challa: Go to hell, you bastards.
:biggrin:

[Greg Anderson]

Favorite Quote of mine from BP SI #41


Storm: Tell them to go the hell, honey.
T'challa: Go to hell, you bastards.
:biggrin:

LOL! Yeah, that gave me a nice chuckle. :biggrin:

[akumasan]

Does he/Marvel have an editorial email cuz I can't find one.

i have no idea

[DaeJi]

I wouldn't have a problem with that, hell why not Wakanda? It did start in Africa afterall. Just give me some good stories.

Humans began in the plains of the Africa, not the jungles. Otherwise we would have been built like Gorillas. I would like to see a story of a young T'Challa though.

[Excelsior]

Humans began in the plains of the Africa, not the jungles. Otherwise we would have been built like Gorillas. I would like to see a story of a young T'Challa though.

And yet it was called the garden of Eden--Hebrew "pleasure/ delight"", and not the plains.

The creation story in Genesis relates the geographical location of both Eden and the garden to four rivers (Pishon, Gihon, Tigris, Euphrates), and three regions (Havilah, Assyria, and Cush [often translated as Ethiopia]

[akumasan]

Humans began in the plains of the Africa, not the jungles. Otherwise we would have been built like Gorillas. I would like to see a story of a young T'Challa though.

To add I would like a story of Bashenga and how he gained the vibrainium.

[princesa]

Humans began in the plains of the Africa, not the jungles. Otherwise we would have been built like Gorillas. I would like to see a story of a young T'Challa though.

Its a comic book, we have Asgardians and Atlanteans, we're playing on madeup ground. The Wakandans in my mind immigrated to where they are from...? Wherever a good story leads.

[princesa]

But then again... writing comics was his part time job. Since in left BET, maybe it will be better... we will have to hope and pray to the GOD that something changes.

That's the hope we are resigned to...or a replacement after the first arc. I don't have a thing against they guy, I just want my favorite book done well. And after Aaron I'm used to it being done well. BTW on his blog Aaron said he would nt be doing the Panther soon and there where big plans for the book, thats not saying he wouldn't be doing it at all (buzz buzz).

[Umbra]

That's the hope we are resigned to...or a replacement after the first arc. I don't have a thing against they guy, I just want my favorite book done well. And after Aaron I'm used to it being done well. BTW on his blog Aaron said he would nt be doing the Panther soon and there where big plans for the book, thats not saying he wouldn't be doing it at all (buzz buzz).:biggrin:

Guess who asked the Question? :eek: :biggrin:

anyhow, I agree. The guy has some pretty good concepts, but he has not written a good vol.

I'm hoping he puts ego aside and gets someone like Millar, or PAD to co write. The dude loves BP... so I can at least respect that...and hope that maybe he can come through.

[XPac]

There have been a few BP story arcs Hudlin did which I personally liked. I liked his Civil War stuff, and I liked his space zombie stuff with the FF. His annual was pretty descent.

Had his first BP arc been an Ultimates or out of continutity book, I might have liked that a bit more too.

So at least for my tastes, I do think he can potentially write a descent story. If he's still on the book then perhaps he'll get better.

[engen500]

What artist would you like to see illustrate BP?http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine52page8page9jn8.jpg][IMG=http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/9210/wolverine52page8page9jn8.th.jpg

I would look past Hudlin's bull**** writing if SIMONE BIANCHI did this series.
Bianchi's art is perfect for Black Panther. If you don't know check out Wolverine #53 pages 8&9= awesome

[Excelsior]

What artist would you like to see illustrate BP?http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine52page8page9jn8.jpg][IMG=http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/9210/wolverine52page8page9jn8.th.jpg

I would look past Hudlin's bull**** writing if SIMONE BIANCHI did this series.
Bianchi's art is perfect for Black Panther. If you don't know check out Wolverine #53 pages 8&9= awesome

Good choice!! Maybe an artist that could add and contrast Hudlin, so the work is greater than the sum of its parts.


I found some interesting background info - that could be co-opted into the Black Panther mythos. And best of all its public domain.

The Olmec Civilization--as a possible offshoot of the Wakandans.

http://www.crystalinks.com/olmec.html

Until the early 1900's, the Maya civilization was considered to be the parent culture in Mesoamerica from which all other societies sprouted. There have been many Mayan sculptures and carvings found in the region, so all other carvings were also considered to be that of the Maya. One difference in the carving is that some carvings of large heads had faces with more African looking features than many of the other Mayan works.

http://www.crystalinks.com/olmecarthead.jpg


There was also evidence of a half-jaguar half-man beast, which also did not fit in with other Mayan finds. It wasn't until 1929, when Marshall H Saville, the Director of the Museum of American Indian in New York, classified these new works as an entirely new culture not of Mayan heritage. He named this culture Olmec, which means the "rubber people" in Nahuatl, the language of the Mexica ("Aztec") people. It was the Aztec name for the people who lived in this area at the much later time of Aztec dominance. Ancient Mesoamericans, spanning from ancient Olmecs to Aztecs, extracted latex from Castilla elastica, a type of rubber tree in the area. The juice of a local vine, Ipomoea alba, was then mixed with this latex to create rubber as early as 1600 BC.

http://www.crystalinks.com/aztecpyr.jpg


At La Venta we can see that after 900 BC such platform mounds were arranged around large plaza areas and include a new type of architecture, a tall pyramid mound.


The Olmec writing system is unique. The Signs are similar to the writing used by the Vai people of West Africa. The Olmecs spoke and aspect of the Manding (Malinke-Bambara) language spoken in West Africa.

[princesa]

What artist would you like to see illustrate BP?http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine52page8page9jn8.jpg][IMG=http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/9210/wolverine52page8page9jn8.th.jpg

I would look past Hudlin's bull**** writing if SIMONE BIANCHI did this series.
Bianchi's art is perfect for Black Panther. If you don't know check out Wolverine #53 pages 8&9= awesome


I liked what he did with Wakanda in those Wolverine issues. His Wakanda was ancient yet futuristic at once.

[sneggz]

So its official this book is relaunching. With Hudlin for now anyway. I'm not going to pretend I am not displeased. It was time for a clean fresh start.

Ugh. Jason Aaron did so damn good, and they turn around and give the book back to Hudlin? WTF!?:confused:

What artist would you like to see illustrate BP?http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?i...age9jn8.th.jpg

I would look past Hudlin's bull**** writing if SIMONE BIANCHI did this series.
Bianchi's art is perfect for Black Panther. If you don't know check out Wolverine #53 pages 8&9= awesom

Sure, if you want delays. Bianchi's style lends itself to being unable to keep up with a monthly schedule.
I wonder how Pat Olliffe would do. He pencilled Cap Britain #5

[princesa]

Good choice!! Maybe an artist that could add and contrast Hudlin, so the work is greater than the sum of its parts.


I found some interesting background info - that could be co-opted into the Black Panther mythos. And best of all its public domain.

The Olmec Civilization--as a possible offshoot of the Wakandans.

http://www.crystalinks.com/olmec.html

Until the early 1900's, the Maya civilization was considered to be the parent culture in Mesoamerica from which all other societies sprouted. There have been many Mayan sculptures and carvings found in the region, so all other carvings were also considered to be that of the Maya. One difference in the carving is that some carvings of large heads had faces with more African looking features than many of the other Mayan works.

http://www.crystalinks.com/olmecarthead.jpg


There was also evidence of a half-jaguar half-man beast, which also did not fit in with other Mayan finds. It wasn't until 1929, when Marshall H Saville, the Director of the Museum of American Indian in New York, classified these new works as an entirely new culture not of Mayan heritage. He named this culture Olmec, which means the "rubber people" in Nahuatl, the language of the Mexica ("Aztec") people. It was the Aztec name for the people who lived in this area at the much later time of Aztec dominance. Ancient Mesoamericans, spanning from ancient Olmecs to Aztecs, extracted latex from Castilla elastica, a type of rubber tree in the area. The juice of a local vine, Ipomoea alba, was then mixed with this latex to create rubber as early as 1600 BC.

http://www.crystalinks.com/aztecpyr.jpg


At La Venta we can see that after 900 BC such platform mounds were arranged around large plaza areas and include a new type of architecture, a tall pyramid mound.


The Olmec writing system is unique. The Signs are similar to the writing used by the Vai people of West Africa. The Olmecs spoke and aspect of the Manding (Malinke-Bambara) language spoken in West Africa.



My take on Wakandans is they were nomadic people(s) who eventually settled there. I think at some point in time they became secluded.

[engen500]

Ugh. Jason Aaron did so damn good, and they turn around and give the book back to Hudlin? WTF!?:confused:



Sure, if you want delays. Bianchi's style lends itself to being unable to keep up with a monthly schedule.
I wonder how Pat Olliffe would do. He pencilled Cap Britain #5

Hudlin blows...
asfor Bianchi's art in BP, i'd wait for it. However, Bianchi is noted as saying he takes pride in producing his work on schedule..we'll see

[engen500]

Good choice!! Maybe an artist that could add and contrast Hudlin, so the work is greater than the sum of its parts.


I found some interesting background info - that could be co-opted into the Black Panther mythos. And best of all its public domain.

The Olmec Civilization--as a possible offshoot of the Wakandans.....


The Olmec writing system is unique. The Signs are similar to the writing used by the Vai people of West Africa. The Olmecs spoke and aspect of the Manding (Malinke-Bambara) language spoken in West Africa.

word up man, it's good to see BP fan's digging into real history. Wikipedia states that Bashenga, the first Black Panther, established Wakanda 10000 years ago. So 8000 b.c. is real old. Black Panther is the true definition of ORIGINAL MAN.

I've been pondering some questions of my own: It's known that when the Vibranium meteor hit Wakanda (10000 yrs ago), many members of the population were mutated. The region's flora and fauna were also drastically mutated. In the current Marvel Atlas it states that Wakanda's population is 6,000,000 people
My question is where were all the F'n mutants prior to M-DAY? and if the meteor hit 10000 years ago, could that mean that the world's mutant population originated in WAKANDA?

My main problem with Hudlin's writing is the lack of insight into T'Challa's mind, the lack of scientific and technological Wakandan marvels that should be at the forefront of the series, the lack of representation of the Panther God, and how come we never see the heart shaped herb? Now I know i may have missed these ideas because I haven't read a Hudlin BP issue since #11. I did read Aaron's run 39-41 but I totally ignored Hudlin's run. Not because I think i'm too good to read it, but I noticed the superficiality/shallowness of Hudlin's run since the beginning. It's like the brother never read an issue of Jungle Action or Kirby's run. I think Aaron did a good job of portraying T'Challa's fearlessness and superior intellect.

Hudlin can fall of the planet for all I'm concerned. He did nothing revolutionary or thought provoking as the president of BET nor for the Black Panther title..Maybe Kevin Grevioux should write BP for a while.....

[princesa]

I think Aaron, Gage, Fraction, Yost could slay this series.

[Omegastorm]

I think Aaron, Gage, Fraction, Yost could slay this series.agreed.

o

[Excelsior]

I think yost would lean too much toward Storm. I want balance if the book is going to be called Storm and Black Panther

[Umbra]

word up man, it's good to see BP fan's digging into real history. Wikipedia states that Bashenga, the first Black Panther, established Wakanda 10000 years ago. So 8000 b.c. is real old. Black Panther is the true definition of ORIGINAL MAN.

I've been pondering some questions of my own: It's known that when the Vibranium meteor hit Wakanda (10000 yrs ago), many members of the population were mutated. The region's flora and fauna were also drastically mutated. In the current Marvel Atlas it states that Wakanda's population is 6,000,000 people
My question is where were all the F'n mutants prior to M-DAY? and if the meteor hit 10000 years ago, could that mean that the world's mutant population originated in WAKANDA?

My main problem with Hudlin's writing is the lack of insight into T'Challa's mind, the lack of scientific and technological Wakandan marvels that should be at the forefront of the series, the lack of representation of the Panther God, and how come we never see the heart shaped herb? Now I know i may have missed these ideas because I haven't read a Hudlin BP issue since #11. I did read Aaron's run 39-41 but I totally ignored Hudlin's run. Not because I think i'm too good to read it, but I noticed the superficiality/shallowness of Hudlin's run since the beginning. It's like the brother never read an issue of Jungle Action or Kirby's run. I think Aaron did a good job of portraying T'Challa's fearlessness and superior intellect.

Hudlin can fall of the planet for all I'm concerned. He did nothing revolutionary or thought provoking as the president of BET nor for the Black Panther title..Maybe Kevin Grevioux should write BP for a while.....

Kevin Grevioux would be great.

[Excelsior]

Kevin Grevioux would be great.

QFT!! He even wrote one of the better letters to Preist during his run on BP. Check the letter pages.

[akumasan]

What artist would you like to see illustrate BP?http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine52page8page9jn8.jpg][IMG=http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/9210/wolverine52page8page9jn8.th.jpg

I would look past Hudlin's bull**** writing if SIMONE BIANCHI did this series.
Bianchi's art is perfect for Black Panther. If you don't know check out Wolverine #53 pages 8&9= awesome

Finch, Sal & Bob, Tucci, or even jiminez

[princesa]

I think yost would lean too much toward Storm. I want balance if the book is going to be called Storm and Black Panther

Possibly but Storm the monarch and mutant leader has been woefully underplayed thus far. And I want a stronger X verse feel to it which has been nonexistent.

[Excelsior]

Everyone, it seems, loves superheroes. That applies even to those who tend to put their political opinions above everything else.

Take PETA, for example. The People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals just released its list of the Top 10 “Animal-friendly” superheroes. The list, in reverse order, goes like this:

10. Aquaman, The King of Atlantis.

9. Black Panther.

8. Superman.

7. Captain Planet.

6. Thor.

5. Batman.

4. Beast Boy.

3. Animal Man.

2. Wolverine and Jean Gray.

1. Wonder Man.




http://bestgamewallpapers.com/files/marvel-ultimate-alliance/black-panther.jpg



Black Panther vs. Batman vs. Ozymandius

"I did it 30 minutes ago"-Ozymandius
"Yeah, well, I figured it out an hour ago and put a stop to it"-Batman
"Well, I'd already put my plan into effect two months ago to stop both of you"-Black Panther

[Imraith Nimphais]

I think Palo did a great job on the SI-tie in...and would like him to stay on....I can see his artistic skills further developing and becoming more refined and stylised...(hell effin' NO to SB...not that he is even a consideration...but he's the sole reason I will never pick up Astonishing XM).

[marvell2100]

I would like to see Ladronn's take on BP as his style is very reminiscent of Kirby's. I've enjoyed everything that he has done.

[princesa]

I think Palo did a great job on the SI-tie in...and would like him to stay on....I can see his artistic skills further developing and becoming more refined and stylised...(hell effin' NO to SB...not that he is even a consideration...but he's the sole reason I will never pick up Astonishing XM).

I totally agree it fit Aaron's writing to me like Aja fit Fractions on Iron Fist.

[Hypestyle]

no word yet still on the post-SI aftermath here.. I hope that this comes with a great new villain and storyarc..

[Tazirai]

The only thing I can add to a thread about T'challa, is that IM GLAD HUDLIN IS GONE!!!

I like my heroes to be heroes first.. I dig complexity in most forms and Hudlin stole it from me. Glad to have some of that back.

[The Cool Thatguy]

The only thing I can add to a thread about T'challa, is that IM GLAD HUDLIN IS GONE!!!

I like my heroes to be heroes first.. I dig complexity in most forms and Hudlin stole it from me. Glad to have some of that back.

He's not gone, though. Just on vacation (sadly).

[engen500]

here's an idea:

What if Wakandan Scientists in hopes of fueling their advanced technology, create a new type of sentient technology based on vibranium. What if the technology goes haywire and unbeknownst to T'Challa, creates itself as a clone of BP and attempts to control Wakanda.

So basically a sentient Wakandan supercomputer, in the form of Black Panther, tries to control Wakanda, breaks out several superhuman inmates from the Wakandan Maximum security prison and escapes . This "bizarro" like BP sentient android, as the commander of this team of superhuman Wakandan misfits, goes around the world causing havok and chaos. This sentient android is identical to T'Challa even down to his telepathic signature. This would provide a worthy adversary for T'Challa.

I just thought of this idea so Please critisize, obliterate and disassemble this story idea.

[princesa]

here's an idea:

What if Wakandan Scientists in hopes of fueling their advanced technology, create a new type of sentient technology based on vibranium. What if the technology goes haywire and unbeknownst to T'Challa, creates itself as a clone of BP and attempts to control Wakanda.

So basically a sentient Wakandan supercomputer, in the form of Black Panther, tries to control Wakanda, breaks out several superhuman inmates from the Wakandan Maximum security prison and escapes . This "bizarro" like BP sentient android, as the commander of this team of superhuman Wakandan misfits, goes around the world causing havok and chaos. This sentient android is identical to T'Challa even down to his telepathic signature. This would provide a worthy adversary for T'Challa.

I just thought of this idea so Please critisize, obliterate and disassemble this story idea.


Thats not bad. I like sentient vibranium based tech as a hero application as well.

[Excelsior]

http://www.blacksuperhero.com/gallery3/gal3-ptemple3.gif

Superhero Collage - Winner of December 2002 Art of the Month
by Peter Temple, 2002

[J.R. LeMar]

http://www.blacksuperhero.com/gallery3/gal3-ptemple3.gif

Superhero Collage - Winner of December 2002 Art of the Month
by Peter Temple, 2002


Holy Moley! That looks fantastic!

I don't recognize the woman next to Photon?

[Excelsior]

Holy Moley! That looks fantastic!

I don't recognize the woman next to Photon?

A Voodoo swipe from Wildcats, but I dont know which Marvel character its supposed to be.

[J.R. LeMar]

I thought it looked like Voodoo, but figured it couldn't be her since I assumed it was restricted to Marvel characters. Otherwise, they should've gone ahead and added Black Lightning, John Stewart, & Steel. Anyway, great image. I wish someone would color it.

[marvell2100]

http://www.blacksuperhero.com/gallery3/gal3-ptemple3.gif

Superhero Collage - Winner of December 2002 Art of the Month
by Peter Temple, 2002


That looks totally awesome! Is this guy doing any work for anyone?

[marvell2100]

http://www.blacksuperhero.com/gallery3/gal3-ptemple3.gif

Superhero Collage - Winner of December 2002 Art of the Month
by Peter Temple, 2002

This is not a complaint but he could have added another female- Misty Knight!

[engen500]

http://www.blacksuperhero.com/gallery3/gal3-ptemple3.gif

Superhero Collage - Winner of December 2002 Art of the Month
by Peter Temple, 2002

awesome work G

[akumasan]

http://www.blacksuperhero.com/gallery3/gal3-ptemple3.gif

Superhero Collage - Winner of December 2002 Art of the Month
by Peter Temple, 2002

wow you know what **** the noise. Im going to print that out and get it blown up and framed.

[Excelsior]

Scoop on the image: CBR style

http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/5577new_storyimage4603417_full.jpg

[Imraith Nimphais]

That image is most intriguing...I quite like it...who is the artist, does anyone know?...as to wot it portends, well...my interest is piqued, but I will reserve all judgement and some forecasting...;-) till February.

[Excelsior]

So what will happen to the current Black Panther? Hudlin will only hint:

"There will be another after him," he says. "In the same way that he became the Black Panther because his father was assassinated and died before his time, the same could happen to T'Challa."

By comparison, DC Comics's the Justice League has Vixen, another strong black woman. So will Vixen and Black Panther ever fight?

"In terms of having them pair up, match up, that's a fabulous idea," Hudlin says. "If DC's down, I'm down."

[Mr. K (from Forrest Hills)]

wow you know what **** the noise. Im going to print that out and get it blown up and framed.

That picture is awesome.

Re the new BP: I am kind of excited about it. I didn't think that the old storylines were working. This is a chance for a fresh start.

I agree with the consensus that nothing is wrong with T'Challa that a talented and dedicated team couldn't fix, but that is true of every character. Look at what Brubaker did (is doing) for Cap. Look at how Iron Man, who was a doormat book when I was a kid, has come alive. But there aren't enough good writing teams to go around. If you took one and gave it to BP, then another book would suffer.

Maybe the right answer is to let Hudlin start again with a character that he creates and gets to shape. I know he can tell a story--Great White Hype is one of the funniest movies ever. I want to see what he does.

[Excelsior]

Dont read Ultimate Captain America Annual" #1, if you loathed Hudlin's take on Panther, this issue will flat out make you want to go Postal!!

[The Cool Thatguy]

Dont read Ultimate Captain America Annual" #1, if you loathed Hudlin's take on Panther, this issue will flat out make you want to go Postal!!

If you love anything that Jeph Loeb has touched, his writing will make you snap. Par for the course.

[engen500]

I'm all for a BP that's female. Hell yeah, but T'Challa never got his true shine.

Hudlin saw what a sh$&ty job he did with his arc, and is gonna revamp the whole continuity just like an impatient child whose seen his mistakes, and throws it away like BP was his own creation. Damn u Hudlin

[akumasan]

Dont read Ultimate Captain America Annual" #1, if you loathed Hudlin's take on Panther, this issue will flat out make you want to go Postal!!

so what happened

[Mr. Wilson]

I hope T'Challa will appear a lot. I'm not sure what to think but I will give it a shot.

[Congo Jack]

Djimon Hounsou to Voice Black Panther (http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=7796)

[Gleaming Strike]

I've been away from comics for several years and am new to this site and forum. In the past i was a fan of X-Men, Hulk, and Silver Surfer, among other titles.

this time around i'm looking for something different, and came across the Black Panther. I just ordered my first panther novel (the client) but have yet to receive it. This is what I know so far about this guy with amazing powers and abilities!:

-he has never been in the spotlight/a major player
-the controversial "Hudlin" will be taking over. i haven't read any of his work but if the black 'holier than thou white opressive' rumor is true I'll be disappointed.
-the panther will be replaced by a female in Wakanda. :frown: I wanted to follow T'challa.

that's it. i'm not sure where to start with the panther so I'll give 'the client' a read.
btw i posted in the 'comic rumbles' section, so cast your votes/opinions on
1. black panther vs. batman and
2. black panther vs. spiderman!

[bluedmighty]

Welcome to the boards Strike :biggrin:

Since your getting into the Panther, the trades you've ordered are a great introduction to the potential and mental workings of the Black Panther.

However, I would also encourage you to pick up "Who is the Black Panther" by Mr. Hudlin, as the series was revamped after the writer of the previous stories left.

It will also bring you up to speed as far as who the Black Panther is now in the MU.

[Dagger]

http://www.blacksuperhero.com/gallery3/gal3-ptemple3.gif

Superhero Collage - Winner of December 2002 Art of the Month
by Peter Temple, 2002
Where's Silhouette? I call shenanigans!:mad:

[Rahul]

Djimon Hounsou to Voice Black Panther (http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=7796)
He's got a great voice for the King of Wakanda!

[Greg Anderson]

Djimon Hounsou to Voice Black Panther (http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=7796)

You know, reading through the comments just get me thinking and shaking my head. A select few stated that they are not from Africa therefore can't relate to him. Seriously, what the hell? So you need to be from a specific country or place to relate to a specific character? If anything, out of all the black and/or Afro-American comic characters, T'Challa would definitely be the one I would look up to or prosper to be like and see as the best role model.

[Rahul]

You know, reading through the comments just get me thinking and shaking my head. A select few stated that they are not from Africa therefore can't relate to him. Seriously, what the hell? So you need to be from a specific country or place to relate to a specific character? If anything, out of all the black and/or Afro-American comic characters, T'Challa would definitely be the one I would look up to or prosper to be like and see as the best role model.
Well, I have the same problem with Captain America. But in this case, really, its like saying I dont read Superman because I'm not Kryptonian.

[Greg Anderson]

Well, I have the same problem with Captain America. But in this case, really, its like saying I dont read Superman because I'm not Kryptonian.

See, I can understand not relating to a character, yes. But I feel that people are claiming they can't relate to him because of where he's from, not from his personality, etc. Maybe it's just me. But yes, it is like saying you don't read or understand or relate to Superman because he's Kryptonian.

[marvell2100]

See, I can understand not relating to a character, yes. But I feel that people are claiming they can't relate to him because of where he's from, not from his personality, etc. Maybe it's just me. But yes, it is like saying you don't read or understand or relate to Superman because he's Kryptonian.

Sounds like the excuse a lot of writers make when it comes to dealing with minority characters. They try to tell a story about where they think the character is from instead of telling a story about the character of the character. Smart is smart. Poor is poor. Good is good and bad is bad. It has no geneaology.

[Gleaming Strike]

i'm not sure what you guys are sayin', but all i wanna do is read about the panther kickin' some bad guy azz without getting into this political mumbo jumbo. the reason i grew interest in BP in the first place is his powers and abilities.

[princesa]

So the question is 'who is T'Challa? now. Does he play househusband and watch his stories while the Mrs is out? Does he have a new ID/costume? What?:confused:

[The Cat]

You know, reading through the comments just get me thinking and shaking my head. A select few stated that they are not from Africa therefore can't relate to him. Seriously, what the hell? So you need to be from a specific country or place to relate to a specific character? If anything, out of all the black and/or Afro-American comic characters, T'Challa would definitely be the one I would look up to or prosper to be like and see as the best role model.


I read a few of these comments; and found them to be very suspicious; and possibly written by what I call "internet personalities".

I agree with your comments - I like T'Challa as a character; and think there is plenty of room for personal development.

[Excelsior]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/200902/BLAP001_COV.jpg

[BBeeryan]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/200902/BLAP001_COV.jpg

I'm really hoping this is Queen Ororo.

[Dr. Chaos]

I'm really hoping this is Queen Ororo.
Does she always have those freaky white eyes or is that optional?

If it is her, my interest in this just went way down.

[Imraith Nimphais]

I'm sorry to disappoint you BBee...but the her eyes are brown, not blue, check it out...It's one w'ked! cover though, is it not?...I am quite excited about this, don't ask me why.

[Dr. Chaos]

I'm really digging the outfit.

The first cover that featured her on it really caught my eye.

Don't know what it is (and no, it's not the breasts, perverts can appreciate superhero character design from time to time).

[BBeeryan]

The King & Queen of Wakanda reign Supreme.

[BBeeryan]

I'm sorry to disappoint you BBee...but the her eyes are brown, not blue, check it out...It's one w'ked! cover though, is it not?...I am quite excited about this, don't ask me why.

I'll be alright if it isn't Queen Ororo. I'll still be pickin it up to see if Mr.Hudlin has done the Black Panther justice. Also I'm a Hudlin supporter. I hope I don't get banned from CBR. again
Does she always have those freaky white eyes or is that optional?

If it is her, my interest in this just went way down.

Why exactly?!? May I ask?

[Dr. Chaos]

Why exactly?!? May I ask?
Aside from the fact that Storm has never managed to do much more than bore me, I prefer my Black Panthers without wild/crazy superpowers.

Like controlling the weather and being able to zap the hell out of people to be specific.

[Imraith Nimphais]

I'll be alright if it isn't Queen Ororo. I'll still be pickin it up to see if Mr.Hudlin has done the Black Panther justice. Also I'm a Hudlin supporter. I hope I don't get banned from CBR. again

While I have never been an avid supporter, neither have I been a staunch detractor...like you, I am very much interested to see wot Hudlin does with this relatively "new" character.

[BBeeryan]

While I have never been an avid supporter, neither have I been a staunch detractor...like you, I am very much interested to see wot Hudlin does with this relatively "new" character.

That sealed the deal. We are B.F.F's. HaHaHaHaHa

[BBeeryan]

Aside from the fact that Storm has never managed to do much more than bore me, I prefer my Black Panthers without wild/crazy superpowers.

Like controlling the weather and being able to zap the hell out of people to be specific.

Well that's fair. Ororo is a superb H2H combatant by the way. But that's fair.

[Imraith Nimphais]

That sealed the deal. We are B.F.F's. HaHaHaHaHa

aww..coolies:smile: ...but you had me at "AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"...lolololololololololololololololol:biggrin:

[Gleaming Strike]

that outfit looks lame. the necklace would get in the way of combat, there's not enough useful sh*t on her belt, and why (and how) on earth would we want to see her eyebrows through her mask? yeah i prefer her not to have crazy super powers

[The Cat]

I like the costume... It is reminiscent to the one worn by T'Chaka in the Priest series!

[Excelsior]

Do you think T'challa's sister will run Wakanda differently than her bro? if it is her that becomes BP.

[HopeLantern]

BP #1 is supposed to spin out of Secret Invasion but Wakanda beat the skrulls. I wonder if it has anything to do with the "Illuminaughty" assassinating T'Challa as part of Dark Reign?

I have to say, I only just now jumped on board with reading Black Panther as part of Secret Invasion. In fact, I thought save for Secret Invasion: Thor, that Secret Invasion: Black Panther was by far the best tie-in to all the others in the series. So now I'm going back over all the back issues trying to see how Hudlin wrote the series. BP has been around for a long time, and I think BP is Marvel's answer to Batman, but I can't believe they are restarting this series AGAIN. Man, I wish they could market this character correctly and give him a great writing team! Why not give him a "Black Panther Braintrust" like they do with Spidey? Or put a top level talent on the series (Slott, Kelly, etc. I think a Brubaker written BP would be awesome). The jury is still out on what I think of Hudlin, but in what I've read, I love the character and hope that he isn't killed in the new series just for shock value. He's too valuable to the MU, really. That would be my only complaint coming out of SI... BP, although in Wakanda and really, really separated from the rest of the MU (which story wise, I think is a main reason he's not surviving as a thriving Marvel franchise) BP seems like he'd have been a great member to put on the New Avengers.

Okay, this post is a lot longer than I thought it would be... I guess I just really love the character and don't want him screwed with in the wrong way anymore!

[Umbra]

BP #1 is supposed to spin out of Secret Invasion but Wakanda beat the skrulls. I wonder if it has anything to do with the "Illuminaughty" assassinating T'Challa as part of Dark Reign?

I have to say, I only just now jumped on board with reading Black Panther as part of Secret Invasion. In fact, I thought save for Secret Invasion: Thor, that Secret Invasion: Black Panther was by far the best tie-in to all the others in the series. So now I'm going back over all the back issues trying to see how Hudlin wrote the series. BP has been around for a long time, and I think BP is Marvel's answer to Batman, but I can't believe they are restarting this series AGAIN. Man, I wish they could market this character correctly and give him a great writing team! Why not give him a "Black Panther Braintrust" like they do with Spidey? Or put a top level talent on the series (Slott, Kelly, etc. I think a Brubaker written BP would be awesome). The jury is still out on what I think of Hudlin, but in what I've read, I love the character and hope that he isn't killed in the new series just for shock value. He's too valuable to the MU, really. That would be my only complaint coming out of SI... BP, although in Wakanda and really, really separated from the rest of the MU (which story wise, I think is a main reason he's not surviving as a thriving Marvel franchise) BP seems like he'd have been a great member to put on the New Avengers.

Okay, this post is a lot longer than I thought it would be... I guess I just really love the character and don't want him screwed with in the wrong way anymore!

Agreed.

I think the "Illuminaughty" *tried* to assassinate King T'Challa as part of Dark Reign, but failed. However he was gravely injured, and removed of going able to stop it (Dark Reign).

T'challa in the MU is marvel's Batman. But instead of owning a bussiness, he has a powerful country, and is the head of his religion. He regected the Illuminati, and saw it's flaws from the start.

In MU, he would be one of the guys that they would have to take out, to make this happend. Because I believe if they didnot, T'challa could foil there entire plan.

I think the first two arc's are going to be all about revenge.

[Excelsior]

Agreed.

I think the "Illuminaughty" *tried* to assassinate King T'Challa as part of Dark Reign, but failed. However he was gravely injured, and removed of going able to stop it (Dark Reign).

T'challa in the MU is marvel's Batman. But instead of owning a bussiness, he has a powerful country, and is the head of his religion. He regected the Illuminati, and saw it's flaws from the start.

In MU, he would be one of the guys that they would have to take out, to make this happend. Because I believe if they didnot, T'challa could foil there entire plan.

I think the first two arc's are going to be all about revenge.


This sounds good.:wink: I pray Hudlin can pull it off. If not, I wouldnt mind Brubaker or Rucka or Aaron, tho .

[The Cool Thatguy]

Agreed.

I think the "Illuminaughty" *tried* to assassinate King T'Challa as part of Dark Reign, but failed. However he was gravely injured, and removed of going able to stop it (Dark Reign).

T'challa in the MU is marvel's Batman. But instead of owning a bussiness, he has a powerful country, and is the head of his religion. He regected the Illuminati, and saw it's flaws from the start.

In MU, he would be one of the guys that they would have to take out, to make this happend. Because I believe if they didnot, T'challa could foil there entire plan.

I think the first two arc's are going to be all about revenge.

I hope not, honestly. It's a good idea yes and even if Hudlin were a perfect writer, I don't think it would matter. Panther isn't written by Bendis. As a result, I don't think he would be properly avenged.

[marvell2100]

Agreed.

I think the "Illuminaughty" *tried* to assassinate King T'Challa as part of Dark Reign, but failed. However he was gravely injured, and removed of going able to stop it (Dark Reign).

T'challa in the MU is marvel's Batman. But instead of owning a bussiness, he has a powerful country, and is the head of his religion. He regected the Illuminati, and saw it's flaws from the start.

In MU, he would be one of the guys that they would have to take out, to make this happend. Because I believe if they didnot, T'challa could foil there entire plan.

I think the first two arc's are going to be all about revenge.

That would be a great story. The Evil Illuminati would have made their first major mistake. Sort of like the original Illuminati sending the Hulk into space. WORLD WAR WAKANDA!!!!

[BBeeryan]

We would undoubtedly see the King &Queen cut loose, but even more than Black Panther SI!!! I'm all for it now.

[Excelsior]

We would undoubtedly see the King &Queen cut loose, but even more than Black Panther SI!!! I'm all for it now.

Me too. I think Reggie is going to rock this.

[marvell2100]

I think the stage has been set for the confrontation between Storm and Sott/Emma. If the EI is responsible for the attack on T' Challa and Emma is a member of the EI then heads are going to roll. Whether she knew it or not and even if she was against it, Emma was a member of a group that carried out a vicious attack on Storm's husband. There's no way Scott can defend Emma but he will. The first shot has been fired.

[HopeLantern]

I think the stage has been set for the confrontation between Storm and Sott/Emma. If the EI is responsible for the attack on T' Challa and Emma is a member of the EI then heads are going to roll. Whether she knew it or not and even if she was against it, Emma was a member of a group that carried out a vicious attack on Storm's husband. There's no way Scott can defend Emma but he will. The first shot has been fired.

This would be a great Summer event. "Wakanda vs. the World". There would be a lot of different layers to it, as we can infer Emma has NOT told Scott she's a member. We could see how the Dark Avengers attack Wakanda, and what results to that, as well as what Norman does. T'Challa gets a chance to heal while the new Black Panther fights, and by the end of the event, Wakanda would finally be a bigger part of the MU. I think it's a good idea!

[Excelsior]

http://www.newsarama.com/preview_images/marvelnew/march2009/blap002_cov-cv.jpg

BLACK PANTHER #2
Written by REGINALD HUDLIN
Penciled by KEN LASHLEY
Cover by J. SCOTT CAMPBELL
“DEADLIEST OF THE SPECIES," PART 2
Tie-in to “DARK REIGN”
The Black Panther is back...and she’s badder than ever. That’s right -- she! What happened to T’Challa? Who is the new Black Panther? And just where does Dr. Doom fit into all this? Find out the answers to all these questions...and why the female is the deadliest of the species.
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$2.99

[da gooch]

http://www.newsarama.com/preview_images/marvelnew/march2009/blap002_cov-cv.jpg

BLACK PANTHER #2
Written by REGINALD HUDLIN
Penciled by KEN LASHLEY
Cover by J. SCOTT CAMPBELL
“DEADLIEST OF THE SPECIES," PART 2
Tie-in to “DARK REIGN”
The Black Panther is back...and she’s badder than ever. That’s right -- she! What happened to T’Challa? Who is the new Black Panther? And just where does Dr. Doom fit into all this? Find out the answers to all these questions...and why the female is the deadliest of the species.
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$2.99

wow, but how often do the covers tell the true story?

[marvell2100]

http://www.newsarama.com/preview_images/marvelnew/march2009/blap002_cov-cv.jpg

BLACK PANTHER #2
Written by REGINALD HUDLIN
Penciled by KEN LASHLEY
Cover by J. SCOTT CAMPBELL
“DEADLIEST OF THE SPECIES," PART 2
Tie-in to “DARK REIGN”
The Black Panther is back...and she’s badder than ever. That’s right -- she! What happened to T’Challa? Who is the new Black Panther? And just where does Dr. Doom fit into all this? Find out the answers to all these questions...and why the female is the deadliest of the species.
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$2.99

That looks like it going to kick a$$!!

[Umbra]

I think Reggie and Ken are going to shock a lot of folk. Looks awesome.

[CMBMOOL]

Hey guys and ladies, not to be mean or anything, but here's a first look at the Black Panther #1 Unmasked as Marvel.com talks to the artist of the new series...

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.6399.FIRST_LOOK~colon~_Black_Panther_ %231

And I still don't know whom she is ? :frown:

[The Cool Thatguy]

Hey guys and ladies, not to be mean or anything, but here's a first look at the Black Panther #1 Unmasked as Marvel.com talks to the artist of the new series...

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.6399.FIRST_LOOK~colon~_Black_Panther_ %231

And I still don't know whom she is ? :frown:

Hahahahahahaha!

The face is a joke. That's Echo from New Avengers, who was once the top secret Ronin. The head is a cut and paste job. Geek humor, really.

[The Cat]

I think Reggie and Ken are going to shock a lot of folk. Looks awesome.

I agree... I'm liking the art, and I think now that he is totally focused on the book; a lot of the naysayers may be surprised...

[Umbra]

[http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.6399.FIRST_LOOK%7Ecolon%7E_Black_Pant her_%231

http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/6399header_banner9358483.jpg

[Tracks]

I liked t'challa....a lot, why is he getting replaced :frown:

[Umbra]

I liked t'challa....a lot, why is he getting replaced :frown:

Break him down, so he can be built up.

I think Doom and the DA are going to take him out... or maybe the bolts...

[akumasan]

I think the stage has been set for the confrontation between Storm and Sott/Emma. If the EI is responsible for the attack on T' Challa and Emma is a member of the EI then heads are going to roll. Whether she knew it or not and even if she was against it, Emma was a member of a group that carried out a vicious attack on Storm's husband. There's no way Scott can defend Emma but he will. The first shot has been fired.

I agree this would be a good story to read.

I am getting very interested in this even further.

[Greg Anderson]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e374/slicknyc2/Marvel%20Stuff/BlackPanther30Ross01.jpg

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[Greg Anderson]

Yeah, tell it like it is, Ross! :cool:

[Umbra]

Yeah, tell it like it is, Ross! :cool:

Awesome. :biggrin:

[Greg Anderson]

Awesome. :biggrin:

Isn't it? Now I know I don't read Hudlin's BP, but T'Challa is a character that I just love. Strong, regal, a man of great honor. He's definitely the type of character one can prosper to be more like. I never get this argument that one "doesn't get him." He's a character I can look up to and can see many young kids doing the same.

[Umbra]

Isn't it? Now I know I don't read Hudlin's BP, but T'Challa is a character that I just love. Strong, regal, a man of great honor. He's definitely the type of character one can prosper to be more like. I never get this argument that one "doesn't get him." He's a character I can look up to and can see many young kids doing the same.

I don't get it either. It's sort of lame. He is a awesome character.

[Dora Milaje]

Agreed. He's an awesome man with an awesome wife, and they love each other very much (retconning be damned). What's great about the "Worlds Apart" series is that Yost leaves no question about where Storm's loyalties lie. The solicts made it seem as if she was torn between the X-Men and Wakanda, and she's obviously not. Sure, she's like to have her cake and eat it too (and on that, I think Cyclops was right), but if you force her to choose, she'll choose T'Challa every time.

[Excelsior]

http://www.hiddendragon.com/hs_customs/BLACK_PANTHER.jpg

[BBeeryan]

With Worlds Apart #3, no wonder they ain't come out with a Storm cover. LOL
Check out scans_daily to see what I speak(type) about.