Black Panther Appreciation

[akumasan]

Mmm I can understand your point. And I know Wakanda is a fictional country.

But I think nothing exists in a vacuum. so, for example the belief systems of the Nigerians wouldn't be be so different from those in Ghana/Benin. I personally would like to the African Gods take pride of place in this Comic and others which deal with these matters.
Unfortunately one cannot assume this, unless the writer takes a trip to a local tribe to one of these countries to gain some form of understanding, then it is pretty silly to assume that belief systems are the same. But i can see why you say these because i looked it up and learned that they are under the yoruba mythology. But what was the faith of these countries prior to colonization? No one knows at all.


You see in the past I read between the lines... to me, the whole Panther God/cult was another example of the so called "Fetish" religion which certain european types were/are convinced black people believe in. Thankfully, Priest fleshed out what the Panther God/cult was; saying that he/she was in fact 'Bast'. But I still think there is more to be done. I really would like to see Maat turn up or Bes. And more importantly be who thay are; which is African.
No they are Egyptian gods and introducing gods from entire different culture that doesnt have a relationship to wakanda wouldnt make sense. Besides why are posters constantly saying that since his country is in africa then he should introduce other african gods? Unless nightcrawler completely change his catholic faith it is not going to work. Or unless an american comichero is being involved with the Aztecs faith why bother? Besides wakanda is one of the few that wasnt influenced from Christianity and Islam faiths so let it be.
Let me ask you this who came first Thor or Shango? They are both the God of Thunder; they both wield a hammer and fly with the help of a ram...Who knows but since the destruction of the many faiths and customs of a number of african nations it wouldnt make any sense.

[akumasan]

Its beating a dead horse a bit but what do you guys think of either rocky carroll or Jeffery Sams (he did tchalla on Ultimate avengers 2) for the BP cartoon?

[Sanctus]

Most of West Africa share concepts of deities in common which are seen as deriving from the Yoruba religion. Those West Africans then brought their religion to the "New World" which is why Obeah in Jamaica, Voodoun in Haiti and Louisiana, Santeria in Cuba and the Dominican Republic and Candomble in Brazil all share underlying principals which flow from the Yoruba/West African religious well. Also, there are scholars, like Cheikh Anta Diop who present evidence that the West African pantheon is a derivation of the Egyptian Pantheon which is itself a derivation of the Nubian Pantheon. All of that is to say that I would not be surprised if Wakanda's religion was influenced by other African religions over the millennia of its existence.

The Eternal's featured the African God Legba in its new first issue, but he might have been killed in the same issue.

[Sanctus]

Most of West Africa share concepts of deities in common which are seen as deriving from the Yoruba religion. Those West Africans then brought their religion to the "New World" which is why Obeah in Jamaica, Voodoun in Haiti and Louisiana, Santeria in Cuba and the Dominican Republic and Candomble in Brazil all share underlying principals which flow from the Yoruba/West African religious well. Also, there are scholars, like Cheikh Anta Diop who present evidence that the West African pantheon is a derivation of the Egyptian Pantheon which is itself a derivation of the Nubian Pantheon. All of that is to say that I would not be surprised if Wakanda's religion was influenced by other African religions over the millennia of its existence.

The Eternal's featured the African God Legba in its new first issue, but he might have been killed in the same issue.

[djshalope]

The Eternal's featured the African God Legba in its new first issue, but he might have been killed in the same issue.

OMG please if that was an African god then it was one of the most demeaning deity depictions i've ever seen. i'm actually planning to blog about something related to this later today.

Don't really see how he was passed up in the Illuminati and Civil War event. Since he was featured in both.

yeah he showed up briefly in both... only to get about five pages in each. i consider that pretty passed up, especially considering how important vibranium is to the whole Skrull plan (not to mention the interesting dynamics that would have occurred if Panther was in on the Illuminati). in Civil War, BP had his own tie-in issues, but IMO they were some of the worst issues of the series (though the "unofficial" tie-ins with Doom and Namor were great). in the actual Civil War event, T'Challa popped up once in the beginning and then in the final fight. that seems like getting passed up to me (example of a character that wasn't passed up: Hercules).

EDIT: i'm skipping the Eternals blog. wrote a little bit about Hulk (http://www.audioshocker.com/2008/06/14/the-incredible-hulk-txt-review-2-and-cameo-spoilers) instead.

[The Cat]

Most of West Africa share concepts of deities in common which are seen as deriving from the Yoruba religion. Those West Africans then brought their religion to the "New World" which is why Obeah in Jamaica, Voodoun in Haiti and Louisiana, Santeria in Cuba and the Dominican Republic and Candomble in Brazil all share underlying principals which flow from the Yoruba/West African religious well. Also, there are scholars, like Cheikh Anta Diop who present evidence that the West African pantheon is a derivation of the Egyptian Pantheon which is itself a derivation of the Nubian Pantheon. All of that is to say that I would not be surprised if Wakanda's religion was influenced by other African religions over the millennia of its existence.


Well said that man... :smile:

[HepOne]

OMG please if that was an African god then it was one of the most demeaning deity depictions i've ever seen. i'm actually planning to blog about something related to this later today.

I dont think it was him. There are 2 different Legbas- the "original" http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/africg.htm , http://en.marveldatabase.com/Ellegua_%28Earth-616%29
and the Eternal one seen in the issue http://en.marveldatabase.com/Legba_(Eternal)_(Earth-616)

I assume their relationship is similar to that of Hercules and the eternal Gilgamesh. Where humans had mistaken him for the Olympian god Hercules in ancient Greece.
I didn't think it was that demeaning, he was being recruited by the villain and it it was mentioned that these eternals can't remember their former lives.

[Kage Kisaragi]

haven't read much of the thread, but I did just finish reading 36, ... anyone else thinking Shuri is going to be her on uh Superhero? I mean, I doubt she gets her own seperate book or anything (seem to early for any other writer to develop her in the way hudlin is trying to.) but it seems unlikely that a character who is getting a good deal of face time and showing off as much as she is, is being setup for limbo vacations. Maybe she'll take over the Panther mantle like in that one shot, or become a evil panther dictator like in that issue of Exiles.

Anyway, Monica is getting pwned, whats up with that? Potentially one of earth's strongest decided to go back into her old black and white duds and and sport.. I don't know what that is on her head.

Also you can't say ass in marvel? "Nice bottom girl," doesn't quiet get the point across though given the situation it was quiet clear what he meant, but still..

Anyway I'm enjoying the series so far.Also I think the guy in the headdress is a Skrull.

[Excelsior]

Pipedream now, but a fascinating read.

Blade star Wesley Snipes told a Nigerian journalist this about the long-anticipated Black Panther: "Wow. 'The Black Panther' means a lot of things, but what my friend over there is talking about is a presently unannounced project of mine based on a '60s Marvel comicbook of the same name," said Snipes. "I've always been attracted to the story because the protagonist is a strong African figure, a monarch who is very intelligent and powerful, who uses his gifts to protect his people from external forces. In it, Africans are it."

Snipes continued "And as for me doing research here in Nigeria, no: that's not what I'm here for. But now that you've mentioned it, it sounds like a great idea. I'd absolutely love to do 'Black Panther' in Nigeria."

and..

During a press junket for "Never Back Down" Djimon Hounsou revealed he has signed to star in a comic book trilogy that he called his "Dream Project." Hounsou would not reveal futher details but rumors are beginning to surface that Black Panther could be a possiblitiy.

The Marvel character has been said to be in the works by Marvel's president of production Kevin Feige. Other names attached with Black Panther include John Singleton who in July was approached for the project while Tim Story, the director for Fantastic Four: Rise of The Silver Surfer, had said Honsou would be his first choice for the Panther.

As far as rumors go Black Panther is not the only possible candidate for Hounsou's dream project. Luke Cage could a likely possibility or perhaps it's the Tintin trilogy from directors Steven Spielberg and Peter Jackson.

Hopefully soon more solid confirmation will be revealed.

Cathie Horlick
3/4/2008
Source: SuperHeroFlix.com

[Excelsior]

Pipedream now, but a fascinating read.

Blade star Wesley Snipes told a Nigerian journalist this about the long-anticipated Black Panther: "Wow. 'The Black Panther' means a lot of things, but what my friend over there is talking about is a presently unannounced project of mine based on a '60s Marvel comicbook of the same name," said Snipes. "I've always been attracted to the story because the protagonist is a strong African figure, a monarch who is very intelligent and powerful, who uses his gifts to protect his people from external forces. In it, Africans are it."

Snipes continued "And as for me doing research here in Nigeria, no: that's not what I'm here for. But now that you've mentioned it, it sounds like a great idea. I'd absolutely love to do 'Black Panther' in Nigeria."

and..

During a press junket for "Never Back Down" Djimon Hounsou revealed he has signed to star in a comic book trilogy that he called his "Dream Project." Hounsou would not reveal futher details but rumors are beginning to surface that Black Panther could be a possiblitiy.

The Marvel character has been said to be in the works by Marvel's president of production Kevin Feige. Other names attached with Black Panther include John Singleton who in July was approached for the project while Tim Story, the director for Fantastic Four: Rise of The Silver Surfer, had said Honsou would be his first choice for the Panther.

As far as rumors go Black Panther is not the only possible candidate for Hounsou's dream project. Luke Cage could a likely possibility or perhaps it's the Tintin trilogy from directors Steven Spielberg and Peter Jackson.

Hopefully soon more solid confirmation will be revealed.

Cathie Horlick
3/4/2008
Source: SuperHeroFlix.com

[Kage Kisaragi]

You're not saying Tim Story is going to direct it though right? Because by default it would fail, especially after having watched Rise of the Silver Surfer. He'll probably have T'Challa addicted to magic mushrooms for slightly enhanced super human powers and mental enhancements.

[SquidSquod]

Please let Chiwetel Ejiofor (who's John Singleton's choice) be T'Challa.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1012804/

Hounsou is simply too old for the character. His latest act on MMA fight is not particularly memorable too.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1023111/

[Kage Kisaragi]

Please let Chiwetel Ejiofor (who's John Singleton's choice) be T'Challa.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1012804/
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To light skinned to pass as T'Challa, much along the same lines as to why Halle Barry was a strange choice for Storm.

[SquidSquod]

To light skinned to pass as T'Challa, much along the same lines as to why Halle Barry was a strange choice for Storm.

He's still black isn't he? Nigeria is still in Africa, isn't it?

[B. Kuwanger]

Please don't let that deadbeat Snipes on Panther.

To light skinned to pass as T'Challa, much along the same lines as to why Halle Barry was a strange choice for Storm.

Not really, her father was an American. I don't even think they explained that she was African in the films.

[nj06]

I hope that Wesley Snipes doesn't play Black Panther. I don't think he would be a bad choice, but I he already did 3 Blade films and they should find someone else to play Black Panther.

Also, I'm a little iffy with Chiwetel Ejiofor. I don't see him as Black Panther, but I felt the same way about Tobey Maguire and he did pretty well so I will have to see.

[IronPalm]

To light skinned to pass as T'Challa, much along the same lines as to why Halle Barry was a strange choice for Storm.

I dont think that the complexion is that important...I thought Sam Jackson was little dark to play Nick Fury:rolleyes:

[IronPalm]

Please let Chiwetel Ejiofor (who's John Singleton's choice) be T'Challa.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1012804/

Hounsou is simply too old for the character. His latest act on MMA fight is not particularly memorable too.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1023111/

Ejiofor is an oscar worthy actor. I wouldn't want him playing Black Panther, though...I'd prefer that he kept the path of making great quiet films that show off his range.

[Fatguy]

Snipes would be an outdated choice, I hope it doesn't happen.

Djimon Hounsou, on the other hand, would be absolutely PERFECT.

[Fatguy]

Please let Chiwetel Ejiofor (who's John Singleton's choice) be T'Challa.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1012804/

Hounsou is simply too old for the character. His latest act on MMA fight is not particularly memorable too.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1023111/

Too old? it's not like T'Challa is some teenager becoming a superhero, he's the monarch of a nation.

[Excelsior]

I vote for Chiwetel Ejiofor as well if not Djimon. I dissed him in the past but I can see him playing the role lovely. Im not sure about singleton or story, I would love to see hype williams direct--as long as the script is good, and he is made to stick to it and not turn it into a rap video.

By the by, check this out. Leave it to Jason Aaron to turn Storm into Butta Queen--everything looks good on her butta face. I kid!!! I got jokes, and jokes, and jokes and jokes--spaghetti, spaghetti, spaghetti

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/200809/BLAP041_COV.jpg

[IronPalm]

Pipedream now, but a fascinating read.

Blade star Wesley Snipes told a Nigerian journalist this about the long-anticipated Black Panther: "Wow. 'The Black Panther' means a lot of things, but what my friend over there is talking about is a presently unannounced project of mine based on a '60s Marvel comicbook of the same name," said Snipes. "I've always been attracted to the story because the protagonist is a strong African figure, a monarch who is very intelligent and powerful, who uses his gifts to protect his people from external forces. In it, Africans are it."

Snipes continued "And as for me doing research here in Nigeria, no: that's not what I'm here for. But now that you've mentioned it, it sounds like a great idea. I'd absolutely love to do 'Black Panther' in Nigeria."

and..

During a press junket for "Never Back Down" Djimon Hounsou revealed he has signed to star in a comic book trilogy that he called his "Dream Project." Hounsou would not reveal futher details but rumors are beginning to surface that Black Panther could be a possiblitiy.

The Marvel character has been said to be in the works by Marvel's president of production Kevin Feige. Other names attached with Black Panther include John Singleton who in July was approached for the project while Tim Story, the director for Fantastic Four: Rise of The Silver Surfer, had said Honsou would be his first choice for the Panther.

As far as rumors go Black Panther is not the only possible candidate for Hounsou's dream project. Luke Cage could a likely possibility or perhaps it's the Tintin trilogy from directors Steven Spielberg and Peter Jackson.

Hopefully soon more solid confirmation will be revealed.

Cathie Horlick
3/4/2008
Source: SuperHeroFlix.com

I called this Honsou casting, I expect a finder's fee. contact the correct people for me.
You cooperation is appreciated.
Thanks.
The Management

[The Cool Thatguy]

To light skinned to pass as T'Challa, much along the same lines as to why Halle Barry was a strange choice for Storm.

Both of the guy's parents are African. That puts him up on 99% of other possible choices, comparatively speaking.

Ejiofor is an oscar worthy actor. I wouldn't want him playing Black Panther, though...I'd prefer that he kept the path of making great quiet films that show off his range.

How would Black Panther NOT show his range? He'd be kicking ass while acting calm and cultured, something he did perfectly in Serenity.

[gorthon616]

Chiwetel Ejiofor. He's a damn good actor.

[akumasan]

I vote for Chiwetel Ejiofor as well if not Djimon. I dissed him in the past but I can see him playing the role lovely. Im not sure about singleton or story, I would love to see hype williams direct--as long as the script is good, and he is made to stick to it and not turn it into a rap video.
you must be joking regarding hype williams.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Please don't let that deadbeat Snipes on Panther.



Not really, her father was an American. I don't even think they explained that she was African in the films.

which was just more fail on the movies part. All I'm saying is, T'Challa should look, like T'Challa and not Shemar Moore.http://www.vipgalleries.net/gallery/shemar-moore-nude/shemar-moore-sexy-00011.jpg
ugh, have you ever seen a guy who loved himself so much.. it's almost shameful. lol

[Kage Kisaragi]

Both of the guy's parents are African. That puts him up on 99% of other possible choices, comparatively speaking.



How would Black Panther NOT show his range? He'd be kicking ass while acting calm and cultured, something he did perfectly in Serenity.

What you don't think its possible one of his ancestors wasn't black?

[Daouda]

For T'Challa I'm partial to Djimon Hounsou. I'm open to other choices, but he has the look and accent I imagine when I think of BP.
To light skinned to pass as T'Challa, much along the same lines as to why Halle Barry was a strange choice for Storm.
Kage Kisaragi, I agree with you re:Chiwetel Ejiofor as BP and also Halle Berry as Storm.

I liked Chiwetel Ejiofor in a Woody Allen film I saw him in and dug the hell out of him in "Talk to Me" with Don Cheadle! He also may have been the best thing in "Serenity", and I didn't care for that movie too much. But for the Black Panther, not so much.

Pipedream now, but a fascinating read.
During a press junket for "Never Back Down" Djimon Hounsou revealed he has signed to star in a comic book trilogy that he called his "Dream Project." Hounsou would not reveal futher details but rumors are beginning to surface that Black Panther could be a possiblitiy.

The Marvel character has been said to be in the works by Marvel's president of production Kevin Feige. Other names attached with Black Panther include John Singleton who in July was approached for the project while Tim Story, the director for Fantastic Four: Rise of The Silver Surfer, had said Honsou would be his first choice for the Panther.

As far as rumors go Black Panther is not the only possible candidate for Hounsou's dream project. Luke Cage could a likely possibility or perhaps it's the Tintin trilogy from directors Steven Spielberg and Peter Jackson.

Hopefully soon more solid confirmation will be revealed.

Cathie Horlick
3/4/2008
Source: SuperHeroFlix.com

Good find Excelsior!

Also the cover for BP 41 looks great! Love the panther head medallion on Skrorm's waist.

You got jokes, and jokes, and jokes and jokes; because you are the black sheep!:biggrin:
(Who would Dave Chapelle write for Marvel?):smile:

Snipes would be an outdated choice, I hope it doesn't happen.

Djimon Hounsou, on the other hand, would be absolutely PERFECT.

Too old? it's not like T'Challa is some teenager becoming a superhero, he's the monarch of a nation.


Well said Fatguy. Exactly.


Excelsior!

Daoud

[RedRonin]

yeah he showed up briefly in both... only to get about five pages in each. i consider that pretty passed up, especially considering how important vibranium is to the whole Skrull plan (not to mention the interesting dynamics that would have occurred if Panther was in on the Illuminati). in Civil War, BP had his own tie-in issues, but IMO they were some of the worst issues of the series (though the "unofficial" tie-ins with Doom and Namor were great). in the actual Civil War event, T'Challa popped up once in the beginning and then in the final fight. that seems like getting passed up to me (example of a character that wasn't passed up: Hercules).

T'Challa's reasons for skipping on the Illuminati were sound. And in the end, he turned out be the smartest person at that first meeting. Also, given Civil War was main mcguffin was an American law I didn't think he needed to be in the story much, if at all. I understand that since these were 2 big events it would have been nice to see T'Challa be made to have a bigger role in the MU and get a nice push, I don't think it was warranted in either.

As for SI, well seems like the main series will just follow a certain cast of characters. Regardless of how important vibranium is to the Skrulls, that's not the focus of the main book. However BP's solo title will most likely highlight that part.

[RedRonin]

To light skinned to pass as T'Challa, much along the same lines as to why Halle Barry was a strange choice for Storm.

The degree to how dark or light skinned an actor is shouldn't be the main qualification for choosing that actor.

In my mind:

Chiwetel Ejiofor - Black Panther

Benicio Del Toro - Klaw

Djimon Hounsou - Killmonger

[The Cool Thatguy]

What you don't think its possible one of his ancestors wasn't black?

I don't really care, to be honest. He's shown he can do action, he's shown he can do drama and he's got the right accent. With all that on his resume, I really don't think the darkness his skin tone matters.

[Kage Kisaragi]

The degree to how dark or light skinned an actor is shouldn't be the main qualification for choosing that actor.


No it shouldnt for a generic character who could be anything from mixed to originally light skinned, but T'Challa is black, as in the black you think of when you think about native Africans type of black. It's pretty disingenuous to dark skinned black people that recognize such characters as the Black Panther or Storm to have them all of a sudden be portrayed by lighter skinned blacks along the same line as how back in the early cinema days, you had white people playing Egyptians.

[SquidSquod]

No it shouldnt for a generic character who could be anything from mixed to originally light skinned, but T'Challa is black, as in the black you think of when you think about native Africans type of black. It's pretty disingenuous to dark skinned black people that recognize such characters as the Black Panther or Storm to have them all of a sudden be portrayed by lighter skinned blacks along the same line as how back in the early cinema days, you had white people playing Egyptians.

Halle Berry is half-black, Chiwetel has both parents black. Don't lump them in one basket.

Chiwetel looked as black as Denzel
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm29464832/nm0000243
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm4001601792/nm0252230
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2172885248/nm0252230

Segregation based on itty bitty pigmentation of skin (which through makeup anybody can look perfect), fine. Let's have Luke Cage rolls out first because at least here there's no such thing as the actor doesn't look black enough. :rolleyes:

Between a choice of a real method actor (Chiwetel) and typecast old actor (Djimon), I pick the method actor.

[SquidSquod]

Reading material:

http://www.theblackactor.com/2007/10/does-djimon-hou.html

[RedRonin]

No it shouldnt for a generic character who could be anything from mixed to originally light skinned, but T'Challa is black, as in the black you think of when you think about native Africans type of black. It's pretty disingenuous to dark skinned black people that recognize such characters as the Black Panther or Storm to have them all of a sudden be portrayed by lighter skinned blacks along the same line as how back in the early cinema days, you had white people playing Egyptians.
Did you feel the same way when Michael Clark Duncan played the Kingpin? Honest question, not trying to be snarky.

Cause to me, I just want the best actor for the role. Djimon is great, but I think Chiwetel is a better actor and better suited for the role.

[Excelsior]

Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje for killmonger

[Kage Kisaragi]

Did you feel the same way when Michael Clark Duncan played the Kingpin? Honest question, not trying to be snarky.

Cause to me, I just want the best actor for the role. Djimon is great, but I think Chiwetel is a better actor and better suited for the role.

Yes, that blew my mind. I would have prefered a cgi 400+ lb white guy with a near blunt head and enormous gut, who could move with the easy of a olympic athlete and the strength of 5 grown men than Mr Duncan. Even if they had to down play Kingpin as a not to gigantic guy, but just another fat gangster boss I could have dealt with it. Yes, I'm that much of a stickler for continuity, that is when I recognize it... and I thought of this very same example way before you brought it up, but I didn't think it was relevant since most people thought that movie was crap well before they started changing characters races around.

[Kage Kisaragi]

I dont think that the complexion is that important...I thought Sam Jackson was little dark to play Nick Fury:rolleyes:

if I disagreed with you then I could see the relevance but since I don't, *thumbs up* I would have much preferred. They could have gotten George Clooney, to do it.. and he actually looks a lot like Nick Fury.

[kidpernicious]

I'm starting to wonder if maybe it's not universal knowledge that... gasp!... black people can tan and get darker.

[bluedmighty]

T'Challa's reasons for skipping on the Illuminati were sound. And in the end, he turned out be the smartest person at that first meeting. Also, given Civil War was main mcguffin was an American law I didn't think he needed to be in the story much, if at all. I understand that since these were 2 big events it would have been nice to see T'Challa be made to have a bigger role in the MU and get a nice push, I don't think it was warranted in either.

Agreed.

I might put that in my signature ( jack move stick'em up) :biggrin:


As for SI, well seems like the main series will just follow a certain cast of characters. Regardless of how important vibranium is to the Skrulls, that's not the focus of the main book. However BP's solo title will most likely highlight that part.

Agreed also. However I would have liked to see Kazar mention the treaty the Savage land and Wakanda had. Calling for help once he descovered they were after his Vibranium would have been cool.

Maybe Aaron will mention this in in his arc.

By the way, things I'm looking forward to (but might not get to see):

Wakanda's fighting stlye in action (with a lil history lesson)
Weapons unique to Wakanda (with a lil history lesson)
Super powered people of Wakanda
Storm unbound
Panther God


I think these would be awesome to get in a three part "War/invasion" mini.

With no tech, a title like "See Wakanda and DIE" carries alot of action in the name, I can't wait.

Did you feel the same way when Michael Clark Duncan played the Kingpin? Honest question, not trying to be snarky.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought that was REALLY terrible. I like John Coffee, but the King Pin should have been a white guy.

The first time I ever saw anything like that was when they changed Terry into a white guy in Spawn.

Then they made Harvey Dent (played by Billy D) into Two face (played by Tommy Lee Jones).

Sam Jackson as Nick Fury made since, because he was Nick Fury in the Ultimates universe anyway.


Cause to me, I just want the best actor for the role. Djimon is great, but I think Chiwetel is a better actor and better suited for the role.

Honestly I think they're both excellent choices. But a role like this would allow Djimon to finally play a self reliant Hero.

Didn't know he was 42 though. (I'm tryin to be like him when I grow up :biggrin:)

[akumasan]

Reading material:

http://www.theblackactor.com/2007/10/does-djimon-hou.html
hmmm a great read and excellent points taken.

Didn't know he was 42 though. (I'm tryin to be like him when I grow up :biggrin:)You and I both lol

[Kage Kisaragi]

I'm starting to wonder if maybe it's not universal knowledge that... gasp!... black people can tan and get darker.

So getting a tan is the solution? Well hallelujah! Let's give Tom Cruise a tan and have him play T'Challa's father.

[taozen]

Agreed.


By the way, things I'm looking forward to (but might not get to see):

Wakanda's fighting stlye in action (with a lil history lesson)
Weapons unique to Wakanda (with a lil history lesson)
Super powered people of Wakanda
Storm unbound
Panther God



I have wanted to see Wakanda's fighting style. It has always been said that Panther's fighting style was unique and he had moves that even Cap (Steve rogers) could not do. I wish the artist would try to convey that in the action scenes.

I definately would want to see more superpowered people of Wakanda or other Panther super powered African allies. I think that the Black Panther mythology should be explored. We saw how Fraction and Brubaker did so with their run on Iron Fist. If Wakanda has never been conquered then their inhabitants/citizens would have to be very interesting and powerful. What makes this country so unique compared to the rest of the world?

It would also be interested to see the unique preparation/training T'Challa received as part of the royal family. It woul help to define his character/personality more.

[Hypestyle]

we still need a legends of the Black Panther mini-series by Mr. Hudlin, art by John Romita Jr., covering past eras...

[RedRonin]

Yes, that blew my mind. I would have prefered a cgi 400+ lb white guy with a near blunt head and enormous gut, who could move with the easy of a olympic athlete and the strength of 5 grown men than Mr Duncan. Even if they had to down play Kingpin as a not to gigantic guy, but just another fat gangster boss I could have dealt with it. Yes, I'm that much of a stickler for continuity, that is when I recognize it... and I thought of this very same example way before you brought it up, but I didn't think it was relevant since most people thought that movie was crap well before they started changing characters races around.

Fair enough. I can respect that.

[RedRonin]

Calling for help once he descovered they were after his Vibranium would have been cool.

Maybe Aaron will mention this in in his arc. That would be interesting.

By the way, things I'm looking forward to (but might not get to see):

Wakanda's fighting stlye in action (with a lil history lesson)
Weapons unique to Wakanda (with a lil history lesson)
Super powered people of Wakanda
Storm unbound
Panther God


I think these would be awesome to get in a three part "War/invasion" mini.

With no tech, a title like "See Wakanda and DIE" carries alot of action in the name, I can't wait. Yes.

And I just want to see T'Challa put a hurting some badass Super Skrull (hopefully made up of all the best fighters in the MU) in hand to hand combat.

What I don't want to see is his and Storm's marriage undone. That's it.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought that was REALLY terrible. I like John Coffee, but the King Pin should have been a white guy.

The first time I ever saw anything like that was when they changed Terry into a white guy in Spawn.

Then they made Harvey Dent (played by Billy D) into Two face (played by Tommy Lee Jones).

Sam Jackson as Nick Fury made since, because he was Nick Fury in the Ultimates universe anyway.
Guess I'm the only one who didn't mind the Kingpin change.

The Terry thing bugged me (when I found out like 2 years later) just cause they could have found a black actor to play the role. Lando Calrissian has Dent didn't really bug me, only cause I was 8-9 at the time, but doesn't make sense looking back on it.


Honestly I think they're both excellent choices. But a role like this would allow Djimon to finally play a self reliant Hero.

Didn't know he was 42 though. (I'm tryin to be like him when I grow up :biggrin:)
While I'd like to see Djimon break out, I just can't shake the thought that Chiwetel would be better. If the franchise took off, I'd expect whoever got the role to be in at least 3 BP movies and some of the Avengers movies (though hopefully all of them *crosses fingers*) Just think Chiwetel would be better suited for that.

Age isn't that big a deal to me. Downey Jr is something like 43. I just want to be in as good of shape as Djimon when I'm 42. :eek:

[kidpernicious]

So getting a tan is the solution? Well hallelujah! Let's give Tom Cruise a tan and have him play T'Challa's father.

I don't even know why I'm responding to such an idiotic comment. Your blatant exaggeration doesn't even say anything, but still....

You seemed to want a black actor who was "dark" enough to make sense for the Black Panther role. You dismiss Chiwetel because he isn't dark enough for you, which is ridiculous. Most full black people with relatively light skin can still get substantially darker. This shouldn't be a big mystery.

[Excelsior]

Seeing Robert Downey jr. in the trailer for the new Ben Stiller comedy I wouldve went with him instead of Tom Cruise to play T'Challa's poppi.

[bluedmighty]

I have wanted to see Wakanda's fighting style. It has always been said that Panther's fighting style was unique and he had moves that even Cap (Steve rogers) could not do. I wish the artist would try to convey that in the action scenes.

I definately would want to see more superpowered people of Wakanda or other Panther super powered African allies. I think that the Black Panther mythology should be explored. We saw how Fraction and Brubaker did so with their run on Iron Fist. If Wakanda has never been conquered then their inhabitants/citizens would have to be very interesting and powerful. What makes this country so unique compared to the rest of the world?

It would also be interested to see the unique preparation/training T'Challa received as part of the royal family. It woul help to define his character/personality more.

yes!


we still need a legends of the Black Panther mini-series by Mr. Hudlin, art by John Romita Jr., covering past eras...

Yes!!

That would be interesting.

Yes.

And I just want to see T'Challa put a hurting some badass Super Skrull (hopefully made up of all the best fighters in the MU) in hand to hand combat.


YES!!!!!!!!!!

I have HIGH hopes that the superstreetfighter Skrull will establish BP's distinctive style (Wakandan 52? or Dancing the Wakanda? or The Panther God Deadly palms & kicks? )

I had my initial doubts about a "Streetfighting Super skrull",
BUT what better way to show that BP has serious hands.

And from the preview cover art, it looks like the Skrull hass Luke cage durability, Iron Fist's iron fist, and may posess a degree of super strength and skills from other well known fighters like Cap and Shang-Chi. :eek:


What I don't want to see is his and Storm's marriage undone. That's it.

I'm with you there.



Guess I'm the only one who didn't mind the Kingpin change.

The Terry thing bugged me (when I found out like 2 years later) just cause they could have found a black actor to play the role. Lando Calrissian has Dent didn't really bug me, only cause I was 8-9 at the time, but doesn't make sense looking back on it.

Fair. My issue isn't with the actor but with the studios and the companies.

I never read Batman, so my first introduction to Harvey Dent was Billy D.
Boy was I confused when I picked up my first issue.

Terry and Chapel were changed in order to appeal to a more "universal" audience. (que Martin Lawrence from Boomerang "Racial Man", "Racial")

Michael Clarke Duncan is a great actor.
But I suspect that he was chosen for the roll because he was big.
Nothing more.



While I'd like to see Djimon break out, I just can't shake the thought that Chiwetel would be better. If the franchise took off, I'd expect whoever got the role to be in at least 3 BP movies and some of the Avengers movies (though hopefully all of them *crosses fingers*) Just think Chiwetel would be better suited for that.

Age isn't that big a deal to me. Downey Jr is something like 43. I just want to be in as good of shape as Djimon when I'm 42. :eek:

Fair.

In that regaurd, with sequals in mind, I can see how the younger choice might be the better choice.

Seeing Robert Downey jr. in the trailer for the new Ben Stiller comedy I wouldve went with him instead of Tom Cruise to play T'Challa's poppi.

About that.......................hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Loren]

I was on record as being in favor of Ejiofor for T'Challa and Akinnuoye-Agbaje for Killmonger two years ago (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=3205035&postcount=14), and my opinion still hasn't changed.

I've never been very keen on Hounsou in the role. Probably because he simply doesn't look very much like T'Challa (whereas Ejiofor looks very much like T'Challa). I've always gotten the feeling that Hounsou's name gets tossed around as much as it does simply because he's virtually the only African actor the American public knows by name. And I think the age criticism is valid; Hounsou's almost 45, so depending upon when a BP movie is set, that would make him at least 10 years older than his character, and more likely 15-20 years older. If T'Challa is supposed to be a relatively new king in the story, Hounsou shouldn't be playing a 20- or 25-year-old.

As for the concerns about Ejiofor's skin tone, if that's really a problem, it can be remedied. Hollywood is capable of changing people's complexion, after all. Look at Forest Whitaker, and then look at how he appeared in "The Last King of Scotland." Whether it was makeup or simply tanning, Whitaker was definitely darker than normal as Idi Amin. (In reverse, consider how pale Christian Bale looked in "The Mechanic.) It'd be no different with Ejiofor.

[Alan2099]

Michael Clarke Duncan is a great actor.
But I suspect that he was chosen for the roll because he was big.
They've actually came out and said he was the best big actor they could get and that the size of the character was more important to them than the skin tone.

[SquidSquod]

Ejiofor light skin tone is simply Cow Dung, perpetuated because someone doesn't want to see actors by their actings but their more "Afrika-look".

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm29464832/nm0000243
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm4001601792/nm0252230
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2172885248/nm0252230

He's as black as Denzel as shown by the pics.

[Excelsior]

http://weeklycomicbookreview.com/comic-binding/


I Swiped this from another CBR Thread. Im going to create a library binding of BP---A Black Panther Omnibus

Which run of BP books should I include???? When I get the book back I'll post pictures in this thread.

[Hypestyle]

....I want to see a Marvel mega-event/crossover where Black Panther takes the lead with Earths heroes for a change...

[GalactaSurfer]

Somebody was talking about the Wakandan fighting style (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Df0WVFk-Y) earlier... heres what i think it would look like.

If a Black Panther movie is made i hope they pick this dude to do the stunts.

[Nate Grey]

They've actually came out and said he was the best big actor they could get and that the size of the character was more important to them than the skin tone.

Not just that, but MSJ wanted the villain to be taller than the hero without any special effects. Picking Affleck, who's 6'3", kinda handicapped them in that regard. Had he picked someone 5'11 or 6 foot even, might be a different story.

Wow, almost five years after the fact and all of this still isn't well-known?

[Ty19]

Somebody was talking about the Wakandan fighting style (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Df0WVFk-Y) earlier... heres what i think it would look like.

If a Black Panther movie is made i hope they pick this dude to do the stunts.

Oh My God.........

Although the coordinator would (obviously) have to clean up his choreography, this guys skills are AMAZING!!! Good find....

[The Cat]

Somebody was talking about the Wakandan fighting style (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Df0WVFk-Y) earlier... heres what i think it would look like.

If a Black Panther movie is made i hope they pick this dude to do the stunts.


Cool moves...

I can see the panther knowing that style; as well as parkour
(Check out the brother in the last James Bond film)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Odj8QPYiZO8&feature=related

And other fight styles of African origin... like kaysti, Ta-Merrian, Toubata...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9CKqwkDdqU&feature=related

Ohh... and I would like to see Djimon Hounsou in the role!

[RedRonin]

Michael Clarke Duncan is a great actor.
But I suspect that he was chosen for the roll because he was big.
Nothing more. Great actor + fits the size of the role = sold (to me at least) Obviously there are limits. Had they found someone white as big as Duncan would could act I would have preferred they went with him. I would have hated some CGI Kingpin, I'm glad they went with him even the movie isn't really good.

[djshalope]

http://weeklycomicbookreview.com/comic-binding/


I Swiped this from another CBR Thread. Im going to create a library binding of BP---A Black Panther Omnibus

Which run of BP books should I include???? When I get the book back I'll post pictures in this thread.

definitely the first mcgregor run from jungle action, but i think you can skip the second mcgregor run from MCP. if you can, get at least the first kirby arc in there. toss in the panther vs. the sons of the serpent two-parter from Avengers #73 + 74. as for newer stuff, i never read the 80s panther mini so i can't say. definitely priest's first couple of panther arcs, and i think you should start including the current series from the start of the luke cage arc until right before civil war starts (cause i didn't much care for the panther CW tie-ins). personally, i would put the zombie issues in, but not the skrull issues. then i would put this killmonger arc in.

speaking of this arc, i just read black panther #37 and it was pretty sweet. for hating the first issue of this arc, i'm enjoying it pretty good right now. portela's art was excellent in this issue.

[bluedmighty]

Just read the latest issue.

I liked it. If no one has spoilers and review up by the time I get off work then I'll do it. :biggrin:

[BatWing]

Great actor + fits the size of the role = sold (to me at least) Obviously there are limits. Had they found someone white as big as Duncan would could act I would have preferred they went with him. I would have hated some CGI Kingpin, I'm glad they went with him even the movie isn't really good.

I didn't really care if he is black or white. Even though Duncan is a great actor (if he wants to, at least) he just wasn't right for the role. He didn't have the presence the Kingpin should have had.
Too bad he was already dead when the film was made, but Lawrence Tierney would've made a great Kingpin, I think.

[akumasan]

I didn't really care if he is black or white. Even though Duncan is a great actor (if he wants to, at least) he just wasn't right for the role. He didn't have the presence the Kingpin should have had.
Too bad he was already dead when the film was made, but Lawrence Tierney would've made a great Kingpin, I think
He would have been too old anyway

[Hypestyle]

can't wait for the teasers for the black panther animated series.. I hope it lasts 65+ episodes..

[bluedmighty]

# 37 Highlilghts (full thread on review and spoilers comming soon)

KM vs BP

Smack downs, Low blows, Crowd Pandering, and political manuevering.

Wakandan ground forces

Arrive to free Shuri but descover that she's already wrecked shop, and is in the process of freeing herself.

We also learn the secret of the Shields.

Special guest stars

Zuri and Spear

Everett K. Ross

There's one more but you'll have to wait for my thread :biggrin:

[The Cat]

# 37 Highlilghts (full thread on review and spoilers comming soon)

KM vs BP

Smack downs, Low blows, Crowd Pandering, and political manuevering.

Wakandan ground forces

Arrive to free Shuri but descover that she's already wrecked shop, and is in the process of freeing herself.

We also learn the secret of the Shields.

Special guest stars

Zuri and Spear

Everett K. Ross

There's one more but you'll have to wait for my thread :biggrin:


Just finished reading it - and I gotta say it's back on point!!!

:smile:

[Excelsior]

Just finished reading it - and I gotta say it's back on point!!!

:smile:


It was a good read. I only wish those who have written off the series would have given the book a chance.


A different Black Panther--

In October 1944, after two years of intense armored training, the 761st Tank Battalion, known as the ‘Black Panthers,’ landed in France. The tankers received a welcome from the Third Army commander, Lt. Gen. George S. Patton, Jr., who had observed the 761st conducting training maneuvers in the States: ‘Men, you’re the first Negro tankers to ever fight in the American Army. I would never have asked for you if you weren’t good. I have nothing but the best in my Army. I don’t care what color you are as long as you go up there and kill those Kraut sons of bitches. Everyone has their eyes on you and is expecting great things from you. Most of all your race is looking forward to you. Don’t let them down and damn you, don’t let me down!’

On November 8, 1944, the Black Panthers became the first African-American armored unit to enter combat, smashing into the towns of Moyenvic and Vic-sur-Seille. During the attack, Staff Sgt. Ruben Rivers, in Able Company’s lead tank, encountered a roadblock that held up the advance. With utter disregard for his personal safety, he courageously climbed out of his tank under direct enemy fire, attached a cable to the roadblock and removed it. His prompt action prevented a serious delay in the offensive and was instrumental in the success of the attack.

Through six months of battle, without relief, the 761st Tank Battalion served as a separate battalion with the 26th, 71st, 79th, 87th, 95th and 103rd Infantry divisions and the 17th Airborne Division. Assigned at various times to the Third, Seventh and Ninth armies, the Black Panthers fought major engagements in six European countries and participated in four major Allied campaigns. During that time, the unit inflicted 130,000 casualties on the German army and captured, destroyed or aided in the liberation of more than 30 towns, several concentration camps, four airfields, three ammunition supply dumps, 461 wheeled vehicles, 34 tanks, 113 large guns, and thousands of individual and crew-served weapons. This was accomplished in spite of extremely adverse weather conditions, difficult terrain not suited to armor, heavily fortified enemy positions, extreme shortages of replacement personnel and equipment, an overall casualty rate approaching 50 percent and the loss of 71 tanks.

In 1978–33 years after the end of World War II–the 761st Tank Battalion received a Presidential Unit Citation. In 1997, 53 years after giving his life on the battlefield, Sergeant Ruben Rivers was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor. The motto of the 761st Tank Battalion has always been ‘Come Out Fighting.’ In World War II, that is exactly what the Black Panthers did.

[akumasan]

It was a good read. I only wish those who have written off the series would have given the book a chance.


A different Black Panther--

In October 1944, after two years of intense armored training, the 761st Tank Battalion, known as the ‘Black Panthers,’ landed in France. The tankers received a welcome from the Third Army commander, Lt. Gen. George S. Patton, Jr., who had observed the 761st conducting training maneuvers in the States: ‘Men, you’re the first Negro tankers to ever fight in the American Army. I would never have asked for you if you weren’t good. I have nothing but the best in my Army. I don’t care what color you are as long as you go up there and kill those Kraut sons of bitches. Everyone has their eyes on you and is expecting great things from you. Most of all your race is looking forward to you. Don’t let them down and damn you, don’t let me down!’

On November 8, 1944, the Black Panthers became the first African-American armored unit to enter combat, smashing into the towns of Moyenvic and Vic-sur-Seille. During the attack, Staff Sgt. Ruben Rivers, in Able Company’s lead tank, encountered a roadblock that held up the advance. With utter disregard for his personal safety, he courageously climbed out of his tank under direct enemy fire, attached a cable to the roadblock and removed it. His prompt action prevented a serious delay in the offensive and was instrumental in the success of the attack.

Through six months of battle, without relief, the 761st Tank Battalion served as a separate battalion with the 26th, 71st, 79th, 87th, 95th and 103rd Infantry divisions and the 17th Airborne Division. Assigned at various times to the Third, Seventh and Ninth armies, the Black Panthers fought major engagements in six European countries and participated in four major Allied campaigns. During that time, the unit inflicted 130,000 casualties on the German army and captured, destroyed or aided in the liberation of more than 30 towns, several concentration camps, four airfields, three ammunition supply dumps, 461 wheeled vehicles, 34 tanks, 113 large guns, and thousands of individual and crew-served weapons. This was accomplished in spite of extremely adverse weather conditions, difficult terrain not suited to armor, heavily fortified enemy positions, extreme shortages of replacement personnel and equipment, an overall casualty rate approaching 50 percent and the loss of 71 tanks.

In 1978–33 years after the end of World War II–the 761st Tank Battalion received a Presidential Unit Citation. In 1997, 53 years after giving his life on the battlefield, Sergeant Ruben Rivers was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor. The motto of the 761st Tank Battalion has always been ‘Come Out Fighting.’ In World War II, that is exactly what the Black Panthers did.

Wow that was amazing. I never heard of these guys but it would be an awesome movie!

[Hypestyle]

..it would make a great movie.. only I can see the carping and reactionary venom already-- just look at comments made regarding Miracle at St. Anna...
the trolls out there would start lambasting it as yet another "PC", "reverse-racist" soapbox-on-film.. I find it even more amazing, of late, that some go to great lengths to voice their 'annoyance' with portrayals of Nazi villainy...

[I am MODOK]

Just finished reading it - and I gotta say it's back on point!!!

:smile:

After dropping the book early on, I came back with the recent Killmonger story arc (I've always liked him as a BP-foil). I'm enjoying this story. Portella's art is great, that throw-down with T'Challa and Killmonger was well done, and there is a lot of good stuff in this story right now.

I will say I'd like to think the Avengers wouldn't just act as stooges for the US Government, especially this administration as Ross fears. They're good guys too, you know?

I'm looking forward to Aaron's fill-in for Secret Invasion too. I've already pre-ordered the issues.

[The Cat]

After dropping the book early on, I came back with the recent Killmonger story arc (I've always liked him as a BP-foil). I'm enjoying this story. Portella's art is great, that throw-down with T'Challa and Killmonger was well done, and there is a lot of good stuff in this story right now.

I will say I'd like to think the Avengers wouldn't just act as stooges for the US Government, especially this administration as Ross fears. They're good guys too, you know?

I'm looking forward to Aaron's fill-in for Secret Invasion too. I've already pre-ordered the issues.


Mmm... I think that the Mighty Avengers are pretty much government weapons. Subject to the whims of the current administration. It helped them to have CA in the ranks as he was fondly remembered by the public. And with him in the team; they could disguise what the team truly was (stooges for the US)!

[princesa]

The Cat Man is a favorite of mine.

[The Cat]

It was a good read. I only wish those who have written off the series would have given the book a chance.


A different Black Panther--

In October 1944, after two years of intense armored training, the 761st Tank Battalion, known as the ‘Black Panthers,’ landed in France. The tankers received a welcome from the Third Army commander, Lt. Gen. George S. Patton, Jr., who had observed the 761st conducting training maneuvers in the States: ‘Men, you’re the first Negro tankers to ever fight in the American Army. I would never have asked for you if you weren’t good. I have nothing but the best in my Army. I don’t care what color you are as long as you go up there and kill those Kraut sons of bitches. Everyone has their eyes on you and is expecting great things from you. Most of all your race is looking forward to you. Don’t let them down and damn you, don’t let me down!’

On November 8, 1944, the Black Panthers became the first African-American armored unit to enter combat, smashing into the towns of Moyenvic and Vic-sur-Seille. During the attack, Staff Sgt. Ruben Rivers, in Able Company’s lead tank, encountered a roadblock that held up the advance. With utter disregard for his personal safety, he courageously climbed out of his tank under direct enemy fire, attached a cable to the roadblock and removed it. His prompt action prevented a serious delay in the offensive and was instrumental in the success of the attack.

Through six months of battle, without relief, the 761st Tank Battalion served as a separate battalion with the 26th, 71st, 79th, 87th, 95th and 103rd Infantry divisions and the 17th Airborne Division. Assigned at various times to the Third, Seventh and Ninth armies, the Black Panthers fought major engagements in six European countries and participated in four major Allied campaigns. During that time, the unit inflicted 130,000 casualties on the German army and captured, destroyed or aided in the liberation of more than 30 towns, several concentration camps, four airfields, three ammunition supply dumps, 461 wheeled vehicles, 34 tanks, 113 large guns, and thousands of individual and crew-served weapons. This was accomplished in spite of extremely adverse weather conditions, difficult terrain not suited to armor, heavily fortified enemy positions, extreme shortages of replacement personnel and equipment, an overall casualty rate approaching 50 percent and the loss of 71 tanks.

In 1978–33 years after the end of World War II–the 761st Tank Battalion received a Presidential Unit Citation. In 1997, 53 years after giving his life on the battlefield, Sergeant Ruben Rivers was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor. The motto of the 761st Tank Battalion has always been ‘Come Out Fighting.’ In World War II, that is exactly what the Black Panthers did.


Cool story!!! And it would be great to see this on the big screen. I know right now there is a big debate/argument about the role played by African-American in World War II (Spike Lee/Clint Eastwood).

I "KNOW" that there has been a deliberate attempt by some, to airbrush certain people out of that war, and the positive role they played in it. The reasons why are obvious.

For "OUR" story to be seen "WE" have to write it!

[bushboy]

I just read a book about the 761st and I started wondering about the significance of the term Black Panther pertaining to black people. Any thoughts?

I still need to find the newest BP issue.

[Seo-optimizer]

I'd would like to see what day to day life in wakanda is like for one of its citizens. Do they work? What kind of jobs do they do? How do they get to work as they don't use fossil fuels? Does Wakanda have a standing military?
Do they have any unique weaponry? etc. etc.

[Daouda]

It was a good read. I only wish those who have written off the series would have given the book a chance.


A different Black Panther--

In October 1944, after two years of intense armored training, the 761st Tank Battalion, known as the ‘Black Panthers,’ landed in France. The tankers received a welcome from the Third Army commander, Lt. Gen. George S. Patton, Jr., who had observed the 761st conducting training maneuvers in the States: ‘Men, you’re the first Negro tankers to ever fight in the American Army. I would never have asked for you if you weren’t good. I have nothing but the best in my Army. I don’t care what color you are as long as you go up there and kill those Kraut sons of bitches. Everyone has their eyes on you and is expecting great things from you. Most of all your race is looking forward to you. Don’t let them down and damn you, don’t let me down!’

On November 8, 1944, the Black Panthers became the first African-American armored unit to enter combat, smashing into the towns of Moyenvic and Vic-sur-Seille. During the attack, Staff Sgt. Ruben Rivers, in Able Company’s lead tank, encountered a roadblock that held up the advance. With utter disregard for his personal safety, he courageously climbed out of his tank under direct enemy fire, attached a cable to the roadblock and removed it. His prompt action prevented a serious delay in the offensive and was instrumental in the success of the attack.

Through six months of battle, without relief, the 761st Tank Battalion served as a separate battalion with the 26th, 71st, 79th, 87th, 95th and 103rd Infantry divisions and the 17th Airborne Division. Assigned at various times to the Third, Seventh and Ninth armies, the Black Panthers fought major engagements in six European countries and participated in four major Allied campaigns. During that time, the unit inflicted 130,000 casualties on the German army and captured, destroyed or aided in the liberation of more than 30 towns, several concentration camps, four airfields, three ammunition supply dumps, 461 wheeled vehicles, 34 tanks, 113 large guns, and thousands of individual and crew-served weapons. This was accomplished in spite of extremely adverse weather conditions, difficult terrain not suited to armor, heavily fortified enemy positions, extreme shortages of replacement personnel and equipment, an overall casualty rate approaching 50 percent and the loss of 71 tanks.

In 1978–33 years after the end of World War II–the 761st Tank Battalion received a Presidential Unit Citation. In 1997, 53 years after giving his life on the battlefield, Sergeant Ruben Rivers was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor. The motto of the 761st Tank Battalion has always been ‘Come Out Fighting.’ In World War II, that is exactly what the Black Panthers did.

I did not know this Excelsior. Great Post!

I just read a book about the 761st and I started wondering about the significance of the term Black Panther pertaining to black people. Any thoughts?


The black panther is seeming to be THE African-American totem isn't it?

I don't mind. Better than it being a short stubby wolv.. uh badger like creature.:biggrin:


Excelsior!

Daoud

[Imraith Nimphais]

really? that is the source of the shields...really?...I SO detest that bloody creature...from its very first appearance in "wild kindom" to this...in the end, # 37 was just an ok read made somewhat less by that piece of bollocks...it's going to be a hard climb back to the top. imo...but I am sticking with BP...for the while.

[Excelsior]

Happy 4rth of JULY

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remember the troops-- yeah I know the last pic has nothing to do with the 4rth

[The Cat]

I'd would like to see what day to day life in wakanda is like for one of its citizens. Do they work? What kind of jobs do they do? How do they get to work as they don't use fossil fuels? Does Wakanda have a standing military?
Do they have any unique weaponry? etc. etc.


Good call...

I think that all of the series (of what I have seen anyway) have concentrated on the main characters and not the people.

Well... except for that garbage we saw in X-Men divided!!!

[Hypestyle]

...Joe Q's latest myspace blog Q & A promises more in store for next year in Panther... looking forward to it..

[The Cool Thatguy]

...Joe Q's latest myspace blog Q & A promises more in store for next year in Panther... looking forward to it..

Not that I have any faith in Hudlin to actually pull it off, but why next year? Why not this year?

Secret Invasion would have been a perfect crossover to showcase T'Challa. The skrulls need to control all vibranium weapons because they can't defend against them. Wakanda's technology is built upon that same metal!

But instead of T'Challa leading a band of heroes to defend and counter attack the invasion, we just get a fill-in writer, ground war and nothin' else. I've seen nothing that indicates T'Challa will play an important part in this crossover.

They bent over backwards to get into Civil War, but not Secret Invasion? Am I the only one who thinks that's off?

[taozen]

What I would like to see is more insight in the "training" he received while growing up. Since T'Challa is part of the royal family, we know that he received special combat training in various styles of martial arts. But I want to see some of the focus of the training and teachings he received to be the their king and spiritual leader. "The Black Panther" is ceremonial title given to the chief of the Panther Tribe and I want to see more of what it takes to become this leader.

I want to see more of the various tribes within their country. It would be interesting to see how the tribes differ in terms of their combat styles as well as any cultural difference. And how T'challa and the royal family keeps them unified.

Since there is a Panther Legacy, we should see what T'Challa learned from previous Panthers and how it has influenced his leadership. We should see his strengths but is shortcomings as well. We know that he is elitist and he should be since he is royalty. He is also a king and spiritual leader and therefore should have a difficult time taking order from others for a extended period of time. When in the avengers, we should see more of this. There is so much that could be developed with this character and hopefully a writer will come in and do this. At least that is what I want to see.

[Ty19]

Not that I have any faith in Hudlin to actually pull it off, but why next year? Why not this year?

Secret Invasion would have been a perfect crossover to showcase T'Challa. The skrulls need to control all vibranium weapons because they can't defend against them. Wakanda's technology is built upon that same metal!

But instead of T'Challa leading a band of heroes to defend and counter attack the invasion, we just get a fill-in writer, ground war and nothin' else. I've seen nothing that indicates T'Challa will play an important part in this crossover.

They bent over backwards to get into Civil War, but not Secret Invasion? Am I the only one who thinks that's off?

Wassup?

I brought this up on another forum (http://www.comicboards.com/app/show.php?msg=blackpanther-2008040907203000). Since Civil War and the Fantastic Four issues while they were on Earth, and it seems through this upcoming Skrull arc as well, it will have been almost 2 years since BP will have been involved with anything relevant in Marvel's other mainstream comics and events.

That is very "off" since Joe Q. keeps saying he is intent on making BP a mainstream character. I still say it has everything to do with Hudlin not "hitting the ball out of the park" with the chances he already had with his first 25 issues. I think he is purposefully being held out of writing anything of relevance when it comes to the big events and other characters continuity because of those very reasons.

And I'm sure that everyone knows that Joe Q. is "spinning" when he said that BP's sales are "far from what we consider from lackluster". How can he say that when BP has gone from sales of 60,000++ to 20,000 in a year?

[The Cool Thatguy]

Wassup?

I brought this up on another forum (http://www.comicboards.com/app/show.php?msg=blackpanther-2008040907203000). Since Civil War and the Fantastic Four issues while they were on Earth, and it seems through this upcoming Skrull arc as well, it will have been almost 2 years since BP will have been involved with anything relevant in Marvel's other mainstream comics and events.

That is very "off" since Joe Q. keeps saying he is intent on making BP a mainstream character. I still say it has everything to do with Hudlin not "hitting the ball out of the park" with the chances he already had with his first 25 issues. I think he is purposefully being held out of writing anything of relevance when it comes to the big events and other characters continuity because of those very reasons.

And I'm sure that everyone knows that Joe Q. is "spinning" when he said that BP's sales are "far from what we consider from lackluster". How can he say that when BP has gone from sales of 60,000++ to 20,000 in a year?

In fairness though, Black Panther's basic premise makes it hard to involve him in major events. Civil War, for instance, was about an American law. T'Challa is an African King, so yeah, not alot of impact there.

But in Secret War, one of the main plot points is how the Skrulls are vulnerable to vibranium. A metal that Wakanda is based around. Like I said, I know Hudlin would screw up any crossover, but I think it's pretty dumb to exclude T'Challa from a crossover where he has a natural and fluid role.

[The Cat]

Not sure if this was posted before but...

http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/03/03/rumor-is-djimon-hounsou-the-black-panther/

peace :cool:

[Ty19]

In fairness though... T'Challa is an African King...

Yup, but he is a king with financial and personal interests and investments around the world. With a little thought, BP can be involved in just about any event Marvel cooks up. Look what Priest did with his EOTS2 arc. T'Challa playing with the economy like that could have led to his character being involved in any storyline, in any country, at anytime during and after that arc.

I think Hudlin is being kept at arm's length with his writing. Look at what happened with this Ebony Blade thing, and the botched ending to BP's Civil War involvement, or even the minor stuff like Killmonger being dropped off by a battleship on Wakanda's coastline when Wakanda is landlocked.

He's being allowed to write ALMOST any story for BP (except this Skrull event) but just as long as his writing doesn't impact other books in the Marvel U.

[akumasan]

..it would make a great movie.. only I can see the carping and reactionary venom already-- just look at comments made regarding Miracle at St. Anna...
the trolls out there would start lambasting it as yet another "PC", "reverse-racist" soapbox-on-film.. I find it even more amazing, of late, that some go to great lengths to voice their 'annoyance' with portrayals of Nazi villainy...
Well that is nothing new. I mean what is the difference of looking at Saving Private Ryan?
I'd would like to see what day to day life in wakanda is like for one of its citizens. Do they work? What kind of jobs do they do? How do they get to work as they don't use fossil fuels? Does Wakanda have a standing military?
Do they have any unique weaponry? etc. etc.
That would be a great idea and it should be a mini.
Not that I have any faith in Hudlin to actually pull it off, but why next year? Why not this year?

Secret Invasion would have been a perfect crossover to showcase T'Challa. The skrulls need to control all vibranium weapons because they can't defend against them. Wakanda's technology is built upon that same metal!

But instead of T'Challa leading a band of heroes to defend and counter attack the invasion, we just get a fill-in writer, ground war and nothin' else. I've seen nothing that indicates T'Challa will play an important part in this crossover.

They bent over backwards to get into Civil War, but not Secret Invasion? Am I the only one who thinks that's off?
I agree the man was invited as a "special guest" to the illuminati and they havent asked for his opinion since?
Wassup?

I brought this up on another forum (http://www.comicboards.com/app/show.php?msg=blackpanther-2008040907203000). Since Civil War and the Fantastic Four issues while they were on Earth, and it seems through this upcoming Skrull arc as well, it will have been almost 2 years since BP will have been involved with anything relevant in Marvel's other mainstream comics and events.

That is very "off" since Joe Q. keeps saying he is intent on making BP a mainstream character. I still say it has everything to do with Hudlin not "hitting the ball out of the park" with the chances he already had with his first 25 issues. I think he is purposefully being held out of writing anything of relevance when it comes to the big events and other characters continuity because of those very reasons.

And I'm sure that everyone knows that Joe Q. is "spinning" when he said that BP's sales are "far from what we consider from lackluster". How can he say that when BP has gone from sales of 60,000++ to 20,000 in a year?
I agree to an extent but at the same time one can say the same thing for BP not being involved in a large number of crossovers period. Majority of the crossovers, he was a "cameo" for the avengers. Even when Priest was writing he even admitted on his site that he didnt like doing crossover arcs. To be honest other than EOTS2 the rest wasnt too great. Matter of fact lets be real majority of the crossovers was either galactic (FF, SS), dealing with mutants (xmen), or just the entire planet is on the line (avengers). It happened again recently with Annihilation, House of M and Secret Invasion.

[CMBMOOL]

Not that I have any faith in Hudlin to actually pull it off, but why next year? Why not this year?

Secret Invasion would have been a perfect crossover to showcase T'Challa. The skrulls need to control all vibranium weapons because they can't defend against them. Wakanda's technology is built upon that same metal!

But instead of T'Challa leading a band of heroes to defend and counter attack the invasion, we just get a fill-in writer, ground war and nothin' else. I've seen nothing that indicates T'Challa will play an important part in this crossover.

They bent over backwards to get into Civil War, but not Secret Invasion? Am I the only one who thinks that's off?

You're right and T'Challa was the one hero who disagreed to joined in the Illuminati in the first place. :eek:

[RedRonin]

Not that I have any faith in Hudlin to actually pull it off, but why next year? Why not this year?

Secret Invasion would have been a perfect crossover to showcase T'Challa. The skrulls need to control all vibranium weapons because they can't defend against them. Wakanda's technology is built upon that same metal!

But instead of T'Challa leading a band of heroes to defend and counter attack the invasion, we just get a fill-in writer, ground war and nothin' else. I've seen nothing that indicates T'Challa will play an important part in this crossover.

They bent over backwards to get into Civil War, but not Secret Invasion? Am I the only one who thinks that's off?

Maybe they realized their mistake with CW?

Personally, I think it's better he's not in SI. The story look to only focus on the Avengers world, which T'Challa hasn't been a part of for a while now.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Maybe they realized their mistake with CW?

Personally, I think it's better he's not in SI. The story look to only focus on the Avengers world, which T'Challa hasn't been a part of for a while now.

So? Once an Avenger, always an Avenger. This crossover might not have the best dynamic for T'Challa, like say Xavier vs. Magneto or Cap vs. Red Skull, but it's got an easy in that's hard to screw up. If nothing else, Panther and allies could have done a super hero impersonation of '300'.

[Fatguy]

Am I missing something here? Panther WILL have tie ins for Secret Invasion...

Or is your guys' problem that he isn't being featured (at least not yet) in the SI mini itself?

[Ty19]

Even when Priest was writing he even admitted on his site that he didnt like doing crossover arcs.

Priest had his opinion on doing crossovers...and he was dead WRONG.

Somewhere on Priest's enormous site, he said something to the effect that books with Black characters don't sell well. One of my friend's even directed me to Hudlin's site where he said the same thing regarding his own book hemorrhaging readers so badly after a crossover arc ended. But they were both wrong.

Priest would have probably done HudlinBP numbers (at his peak) if PriestBP was included in an event where reading 2-3 issues of BP were necessary in following the storyline. That way, his book would've been given a great chance at attracting new readers. And I even believe that in the end, Priest would've retained more readers than Hudlin did in the long run. On the other hand, Hudlin/Quesada put BP front and center and the numbers skyrocketed (for a BP book). So crossovers do work. Where Hudlin fails this title is not in the "Black character = Poor sales" argument when his sales started to plummet, but in his poor writing. He's a great marketer, but he's a below average creater. He's a good Steinbrenner but a poor Billy Martin.

My point is that crossovers do work and can be instrumental in gaining new readers, but only if the book is worth reading.

You're right and T'Challa was the one hero who disagreed to joined in the Illuminati in the first place.

Yeah, but wouldn't that make him a prime candidate for one of the saviors of this invasion, especially since his country has something that is potentially detrimental to the Skrulls plans.

Personally, I think it's better he's not in SI.

I think Hudlin writing BP in SI would be a problem, as in Civil War. I think Aaron writing BP in SI could be potentially great. They already have a great buzz with the artwork.

[bushboy]

What about us fans who can't stand crossovers. I stopped reading most of my marvel titles including BP when Civil War and HoM came around. I'm not reading SI and I'm wondering whether to get those BP tie-ins. Unless you're talking about being prominent in the main series itself, then yes, BP is greatly underrepresented.

[Ty19]

What about us fans who can't stand crossovers. I stopped reading most of my marvel titles including BP when Civil War and HoM came around. I'm not reading SI and I'm wondering whether to get those BP tie-ins. Unless you're talking about being prominent in the main series itself, then yes, BP is greatly underrepresented.

Since it seems that BP's only involvement in SI might be a standalone arc with the SI sticker on it, then you could be correct on BP being underrepresented.

Even if that is the case, I hope Aaron writes a killer BP arc. Some new readers might campaign for Aaron on BP and then maybe Quesada might get the message that it's time for a new writer on this potentially popular character. I really believe that with a good writer (Aaron or not) BP could regain its old fanbase and in addition to the new fanbase, could sell in the 40,000+ range consistently.

[taozen]

The Chicago Tribune's RedEye pits the best super heroes of all time against each other and we can determine the outcome. It is called RedEye's Best Superhero Tourney. Right now Black Panther is going against the Punisher and losing!!!! :frown: So if you want T"Challa to at least beat the Punisher, BP fans neet to vote for him. Here is the link:

http://redeye.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/red-superherotourney,0,4881219.special

[RedRonin]

So? Once an Avenger, always an Avenger. This crossover might not have the best dynamic for T'Challa, like say Xavier vs. Magneto or Cap vs. Red Skull, but it's got an easy in that's hard to screw up. If nothing else, Panther and allies could have done a super hero impersonation of '300'.

And that sounds like exactly what's going to to happen in his own book.

And let me be clear, SI about what's happened to the Avengers under Bendis So a character who was once an Avenger doesn't matter. The main book is focusing on what Bendis did in his Avenger books. T'Challa wasn't in those and so he hasn't been in the main mini. Does he have an easy way in? Sure, but so does everyone else since it's an invasion of Earth.

[Tailung]

I'm looking forward to the Black Panther si crossover. The premise sounds interesting and the guest artist has a very Mignola look. A question for my fellow posters, has there ever been a sucessful comic book where the main character is a king? At the moment I can only think of jms's Thor?

[Excelsior]

Not sure if this was posted before but...

http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/03/03/rumor-is-djimon-hounsou-the-black-panther/

peace :cool:


Antoine Fuqua should Direct. Hes got my vote, especially after Training Day, Tears of the Sun, King Arthur and Shooter

[The Cat]

Antoine Fuqua should Direct. Hes got my vote, especially after Training Day, Tears of the Sun, King Arthur and Shooter


I can live with that! :cool:

[Hypestyle]

slightly OT- AOL lists top 25 black superheroes... the panther and his wife are on the list.. but there are some curious others... :) http://www.blackvoices.com/blogs/2008/06/30/top-25-black-superheroes-of-all-time/

[taozen]

I would not mind Fuqua. I just hope it is not Tim Story. I did not care for his FF films. They were entertaining films for kids, but not adults. The key to any film is the script and the director. Hopefully BP will get made and with a solid director.

[taozen]

slightly OT- AOL lists top 25 black superheroes... the panther and his wife are on the list.. but there are some curious others... :) http://www.blackvoices.com/blogs/2008/06/30/top-25-black-superheroes-of-all-time/

I just saw that list and I am shocked:eek: by some of their choices, particually the animated characters like Hong Kong Phoey (sp?) and an autobot. Anyway Black Panther should have been higher. Even Pootie Tang was rated higher than Black Panter!!! T'Challa gets no love/respect. There was a abnormal amount of silly/comedic heroes on that list. But that is another story. Like I said, I wonder who put that list together.

[bushboy]

slightly OT- AOL lists top 25 black superheroes... the panther and his wife are on the list.. but there are some curious others... :) http://www.blackvoices.com/blogs/2008/06/30/top-25-black-superheroes-of-all-time/
That list is horrible. We need our own.

[LordAllMighty]

That list is horrible. We need our own.

I agree...give me a hour to think.:smile:

[Tetsuo_man]

I just saw that list and I am shocked:eek: by some of their choices, particually the animated characters like Hong Kong Phoey (sp?) and an autobot. Anyway Black Panther should have been higher. Even Pootie Tang was rated higher than Black Panter!!! T'Challa gets no love/respect. There was a abnormal amount of silly/comedic heroes on that list. But that is another story. Like I said, I wonder who put that list together.

But pootie kicks ass. Ok black panther does kick more ass but still pootie does kick ass.

[LordAllMighty]

IMHO, due to popularity of comicbook fans

25) Black Goliath
24) Bronze Tiger
23) Pulsar
22) Brown Hornet
21) Mister Terrific
20) Falcon
19) Bishop
18) Luke Cage
17) Steel
16) Black Panther
15) Vixen
14) Afro Samurai
13) John Stewart
12) Zack – Black Power Ranger
11) Meteor Man
10) Cyborg
9) Catwoman
8) Leonard Roberts
7) Spawn
6) Frozone
5) Micah Sanders
4) Hancock
3) Morpheus
2) Storm
1) Blade

[akumasan]

Priest had his opinion on doing crossovers...and he was dead WRONG.

Somewhere on Priest's enormous site, he said something to the effect that books with Black characters don't sell well. One of my friend's even directed me to Hudlin's site where he said the same thing regarding his own book hemorrhaging readers so badly after a crossover arc ended. But they were both wrong.

Priest would have probably done HudlinBP numbers (at his peak) if PriestBP was included in an event where reading 2-3 issues of BP were necessary in following the storyline. That way, his book would've been given a great chance at attracting new readers. And I even believe that in the end, Priest would've retained more readers than Hudlin did in the long run. On the other hand, Hudlin/Quesada put BP front and center and the numbers skyrocketed (for a BP book). So crossovers do work. Where Hudlin fails this title is not in the "Black character = Poor sales" argument when his sales started to plummet, but in his poor writing. He's a great marketer, but he's a below average creater. He's a good Steinbrenner but a poor Billy Martin.

My point is that crossovers do work and can be instrumental in gaining new readers, but only if the book is worth reading.



Yeah, but wouldn't that make him a prime candidate for one of the saviors of this invasion, especially since his country has something that is potentially detrimental to the Skrulls plans.



I think Hudlin writing BP in SI would be a problem, as in Civil War. I think Aaron writing BP in SI could be potentially great. They already have a great buzz with the artwork.
Again that doesnt work all the time. If that is the case then Ant Man would have lasted longer than 12 issues. When it comes to these crossovers,
Crossover: Front Line
Crossover: X-Men
Crossover: Fantastic Four
Crossover: Aftermath
Crossover: A New Beginning
Crossover: Minor crossover character mini
Crossover: assemble new team.

As a reader I shouldnt be forced into reading a crossover arc that I dont care about. Or a crossover that wasnt good (HOM, WWH) in addition to crappy crossovers which marvel did alot of them it loses readers just as much.

At times crossovers is just an excuse to retcon anyway. At first i didnt like retconning but you know what I can care less about continuity. I'm sure we're all loathe to consider it, but is continuity really that important? Is a story any better just because it's tenuously connected to an improbably large sequence of other stories that all happened to the same people in the same world? (i.e. crossover?)


The Chicago Tribune's RedEye pits the best super heroes of all time against each other and we can determine the outcome. It is called RedEye's Best Superhero Tourney. Right now Black Panther is going against the Punisher and losing!!!! :frown: So if you want T"Challa to at least beat the Punisher, BP fans neet to vote for him. Here is the link:

http://redeye.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/red-superherotourney,0,4881219.special
you have to be serious. I know frank castle can kick some ass but what make people think that BP would lose to the punisher? But i'll leave it alone and i have a strong feeling why but I wont state it.

I agree...give me a hour to think.:smile:I'll pm you my list i create a long time ago to help.

[Excelsior]

1.Movies--Shaft
Comics-tie/ Storm/ Black Panther
Sports- Air Jordan
Science-Mark Dean---He led the team of IBM scientists that developed the ISA bus—a device that enabled computer components to communicate with each other rapidly, which made personal computers fast and efficient for the first time. Dean also led the design team responsible for creating the first one-gigahertz computer processor chip. He was inducted into the National Inventors Hall of Fame in 1997.



Speaking of which, shouldnt Black Panther develop new forms of Vibranium use--on par with Pym Particles? Or maybe a new arch Villain to really give BP a challenge...DUNH DUNH DUUUUUUUNHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

[Ty19]

Again that doesnt work all the time.

Okay, but I thought I already said that. I said "crossovers do work and can be instrumental in gaining new readers, but only if the book is worth reading."

If that is the case then Ant Man would have lasted longer than 12 issues.

Okay again, but was Ant Man worth reading? Was the material exceptional? Or the Ant Man brand popular enough that the crossover would retain new readers when they arrived? I'm not being sarcastic, I just didn't read the series so I don't know how to respond to the Ant Man example. I do know the Panther brand and I really believe that the brand is popular enough that a good writer along with a good crossover event would retain new readers after the crossover is complete.

As a reader I shouldnt be forced into reading a crossover arc that I dont care about. Or a crossover that wasnt good (HOM, WWH) in addition to crappy crossovers which marvel did alot of them it loses readers just as much.

No one is forced to spend money if they don't want to. As I'm sure you know, crossovers are just cross-promotional events where audiences of different brands are introduced to other brands they would not normally purchase. It's all about generating more revenue. In the end if a brand ups its audience then fine. If not, then the company at least more than likely gained more revenue from the event.

At times crossovers is just an excuse to retcon anyway. At first i didnt like retconning but you know what I can care less about continuity. I'm sure we're all loathe to consider it, but is continuity really that important? Is a story any better just because it's tenuously connected to an improbably large sequence of other stories that all happened to the same people in the same world? (i.e. crossover?)

I am a fan of continuity. If a retcon is smart, than I'm all for it. But continuity, history, is what keeps me interested and invested in the characters.

I'm curious, has there been a character that you followed for a long time, then a major part of the characters history was not retconned(added_to), but instead retconned_away that didn't bother you?

[Excelsior]

BLACK PANTHER #39, by Jason Aaron & Jefte Palo, hits the streets July 30. For more Black Panther, go to Marvel Digital Comics Unlimited.

All Hail Black Panther, the original Thundercat :d



http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/4173new_storyimage5616182.jpg

http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/4173new_storyimage5616201.jpg



http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/4173new_storyimage5616172.jpg

http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/4173new_storyimage5616226.jpg

[GalactaSurfer]

The secret Invasion arc looks so hot and every Wakandan standing up to stomp some Skrulls is gonna be every flavor of awesome!

The only thing i wash they would include is some super-powered/mutant Wakandans (besides Storm & Black Panther) so they can fight some superskrulls!

[Daouda]

http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/4173new_storyimage5616226.jpg

BP is fighting Wolverine, Iron fist and Bullseye rolled into one?

I love it!


Excelsior!

Daoud

[The Cool Thatguy]

http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/4173new_storyimage5616226.jpg

BP is fighting Wolverine, Iron fist and Bullseye rolled into one?

I love it!


Excelsior!

Daoud

Looks cool, though it seems rather pointless to have those powers wrapped up in a body built like the Hulk. Hopefully, that's just the art.

[bluedmighty]

I really believe that with a good writer (Aaron or not) BP could regain its old fanbase and in addition to the new fanbase, could sell in the 40,000+ range consistently.

Isn't BP's "New" fan base larger than his "Old" fanbase?

I could be wrong,

but isn't this the longest running incarnation of the Black Panther, and thereby, the most successful?

http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/4173new_storyimage5616226.jpg

BP is fighting Wolverine, Iron fist and Bullseye rolled into one?

I love it!


Excelsior!

Daoud

Agreed.

Looks cool, though it seems rather pointless to have those powers wrapped up in a body built like the Hulk. Hopefully, that's just the art.

That my friend is the body and Skrully face of one LUKE CAGE :eek:

Also, how can it drop at the end of July when the Killmonger arc still has an issue left?

OOPS!!!!

Just checked Marvel and kick AZZ :biggrin: we get 2 BP's this month

[bushboy]

Isn't BP's "New" fan base larger than his "Old" fanbase?

I could be wrong,

but isn't this the longest running incarnation of the Black Panther, and thereby, the most successful?
Wasn't Preist's run 50 issues?

[The Cool Thatguy]

Wasn't Preist's run 50 issues?

It was around 60 issues, actually. I think 50 is the magic number when Marvel will finally realize that Hudlin isn't working, though.

That my friend is the body and Skrully face of one LUKE CAGE

Luke Cage isn't that big, though. I'm just pointing out that the skrull's body is too muscle bound to have a good range of motion to fully exploit powers that are best used in close combat.

[Imraith Nimphais]

Also, how can it drop at the end of July when the Killmonger arc still has an issue left?

Exactly wot I also thought...I believe (I may be wrong) that no issue was released the month "the kilmonger" arc was supposed to start...at the time, I remember asking for BP and my LCS guy told me it was not shipped...hmm...that said the BP:SI looks abso-frikkin-lutely fan-frikkin-tastic...(nothing against Portella, mind you)...I can't wait for this.

[Ty19]

Isn't BP's "New" fan base larger than his "Old" fanbase?

I could be wrong,

but isn't this the longest running incarnation of the Black Panther, and thereby, the most successful?

Priest's BP ran 62 issues. As far as which BP volume was/is more popular, I don't know. Hudlin's BP has sold more issues to date because of the its inclusion in crossover events. But the last issue only sold somewhere around 21,000 copies. So althought Hudlin has had issues that have sold 3 times as more within the last year or so, his writing hasn't been able to retain that readership in the long run.

[Fatguy]

Damn, the art for the SI issues looks amazing.

[RedRonin]

BLACK PANTHER #39, by Jason Aaron & Jefte Palo, hits the streets July 30. For more Black Panther, go to Marvel Digital Comics Unlimited.

All Hail Black Panther, the original Thundercat :d

Awesome. Thanks for the preview pics.

[RedRonin]

http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/4173new_storyimage5616226.jpg

BP is fighting Wolverine, Iron fist and Bullseye rolled into one?

I love it!


Excelsior!

Daoud

I was thinking Strong Guy as well as those you mentioned.

[RedRonin]

Priest's BP ran 62 issues. As far as which BP volume was/is more popular, I don't know. Hudlin's BP has sold more issues to date because of the its inclusion in crossover events. But the last issue only sold somewhere around 21,000 copies. So althought Hudlin has had issues that have sold 3 times as more within the last year or so, his writing hasn't been able to retain that readership in the long run.

I wonder how long Preist could have gone if his stuff was actually available in trades, making it easier for new readers to jump on.

[Excelsior]

It was around 60 issues, actually. I think 50 is the magic number when Marvel will finally realize that Hudlin isn't working, though.



Luke Cage isn't that big, though. I'm just pointing out that the skrull's body is too muscle bound to have a good range of motion to fully exploit powers that are best used in close combat.

Okay let me go out on a limb and actually post some positive things Hudlin and company have done. And yes I own every issue Priest has written and I do not hate the current run.

First, Name one Executive or writer with outside projects that has been on time with every issue he or she has written.

Hudlin has had a few so-so issues but overall, i am enjoying his story arcs. His work is Akin to Frank Miller's ALL STAR BATMAN, IMHO

And he is one of the few creators that loves the character he has written. we know this because Joe Q and Alex Alonso have said so.

His latest arc has shown vast improvements. :biggrin:

[The Cool Thatguy]

Okay let me go out on a limb and actually post some positive things Hudlin and company have done. And yes I own every issue Priest has written and I do not hate the current run.

First, Name one Executive or writer with outside projects that has been on time with every issue he or she has written.

Hudlin has had a few so-so issues but overall, i am enjoying his story arcs. His work is Akin to Frank Miller's ALL STAR BATMAN, IMHO

And he is one of the few creators that loves the character he has written. we know this because Joe Q and Alex Alonso have said so.

His latest arc has shown vast improvements. :biggrin:

I can't and won't bash his work ethic nor love for the character. You're absolutely right in that regard. It's so obvious in fact, that I felt Reggy was done a disservice in the Boondocks episode where BET was targetted/parodied, though I still maintain a low respect for him as a whole (he's earned it). His work ethic, especially when you consider his other responsibilities, is damn impressive. Superior to mine in some regards and easily superior to other full time writers.

However, that does not translate into good writing. Writers can poorly write characters they love, as Hudlin has proven again and again. It's taken over 30 issues to use a Panther rogue. Hudlin tells us Panther is a genius, but has him use weapons created by the Mole Man! instead of his own technology. He's avoided both Wakanda and supporting casts like the plague. He's had the Cannibal subplot running since issue 6 with no end in sight.

At this stage, argueing about quality is a moot point. Among other things, you spent money on the book and enjoyed it and an arguement on it's merits wouldn't help in that regard, so we should agree to disagree.

But I must protest that Hudlin's obvious love for the character means he's the perfect writer for the book. Writers, both good and bad, can damage characters they like.

[Excelsior]

I can't and won't bash his work ethic nor love for the character. You're absolutely right in that regard. It's so obvious in fact, that I felt Reggy was done a disservice in the Boondocks episode where BET was targetted/parodied, though I still maintain a low respect for him as a whole (he's earned it). His work ethic, especially when you consider his other responsibilities, is damn impressive. Superior to mine in some regards and easily superior to other full time writers.

However, that does not translate into good writing. Writers can poorly write characters they love, as Hudlin has proven again and again. It's taken over 30 issues to use a Panther rogue. Hudlin tells us Panther is a genius, but has him use weapons created by the Mole Man! instead of his own technology. He's avoided both Wakanda and supporting casts like the plague. He's had the Cannibal subplot running since issue 6 with no end in sight.

At this stage, argueing about quality is a moot point. Among other things, you spent money on the book and enjoyed it and an arguement on it's merits wouldn't help in that regard, so we should agree to disagree.

But I must protest that Hudlin's obvious love for the character means he's the perfect writer for the book. Writers, both good and bad, can damage characters they like.

What can I say I like Frank Millers all-star Batman too.

[taozen]

Love that art by Jefte Palo (similar to Mike Mignola's but not as bulky) and company on those pages.:smile: The coloring is great too. I hope Marvel at the very least keeps that art team.

[The Cat]

Love that art by Jefte Palo (similar to Mike Mignola's but not as bulky) and company on those pages.:smile: The coloring is great too. I hope Marvel at the very least keeps that art team.

The current artists is growing on me... But what I have seen so far of the new creative team it wouldn't be a bad thing if they stick around!!!

[akumasan]

Alright this is awesome.
Okay, but I thought I already said that. I said "crossovers do work and can be instrumental in gaining new readers, but only if the book is worth reading."
You cant say that it is all based on an assumption. If a book sales is declining at times it may go for the crossover tiein. It is a fact.


Okay again, but was Ant Man worth reading? Was the material exceptional? Or the Ant Man brand popular enough that the crossover would retain new readers when they arrived? I'm not being sarcastic, I just didn't read the series so I don't know how to respond to the Ant Man example. I do know the Panther brand and I really believe that the brand is popular enough that a good writer along with a good crossover event would retain new readers after the crossover is complete.
Well you are assuming that the book wasnt worth reading to you. It may have been worth reading to another person. No I didnt like Ant-Man that much but I did find it funny when he was watching ms marvel taking a shower. :eek: :biggrin:


No one is forced to spend money if they don't want to. As I'm sure you know, crossovers are just cross-promotional events where audiences of different brands are introduced to other brands they would not normally purchase. It's all about generating more revenue. In the end if a brand ups its audience then fine. If not, then the company at least more than likely gained more revenue from the event.It is not about spending money on the crossover. I was talking about as a reader why I should be forced to read a crossover tie-in on the character book I am reading.

I am a fan of continuity. If a retcon is smart, than I'm all for it. But continuity, history, is what keeps me interested and invested in the characters.
Good point but what is your opinion of that same character regarding the "what-ifs" or stories with another element of the character? Let be honest regarding continuity, it isnt real just as much as the what -ifs. All of the different story elements regarding that character is the same to me.

I'm curious, has there been a character that you followed for a long time, then a major part of the characters history was not retconned(added_to), but instead retconned_away that didn't bother you?
At first retconning bother me. I even posted about it in another thread. But after a while regarding the retconning of Smart Hulk to dumb ass Hulk again, angry spidey to bitch ass spidey again, even the famous retcon punch of the uber strong and uber whining bitch ass superman prime it came to me that hey it is apart of the industry and it is what it is. Alot of them wasnt good and of course it will be retconned to fix some writers fuck up. To satisfy the readers i can guarantee that the marriage of BP and Storm will not exist just as much as spidey and MJ (all because they seem old)

I have a feeling you like spidey and you are against the retconning of him. If im wrong then i apologize. But the retcon of BP does it bother me nope. However, do i like the fact that kasper cole is no where to be found at all? I cant stand a great build up character to potentially get his own book isnt around. I wanted to get the crew so bad but since a numbers of readers felt the team was to "ghetto" the book didnt get it's fair shot. That lead me to stop reading comics for a while when priest wasnt writing BP. I even stop reading Batman and he is on top just as much as BP at that time. I got back into reading again when my ex purchased BP # 1 by Hudlin and wanted to tap that ass so badly that night. lol.

I wonder how long Preist could have gone if his stuff was actually available in trades, making it easier for new readers to jump on.
Listen what was done to priest was straight up foul. I dont blame him not wanting to come back to write. By the way I read Black and White again man that was an awesome read. :biggrin: Oh yeah dont forget about BP # 8 by priest when he left the avengers hanging lol
Okay let me go out on a limb and actually post some positive things Hudlin and company have done. And yes I own every issue Priest has written and I do not hate the current run.