X-Men: What Comes Next

[frog]

Article at Marvel.com (http://www.marvel.com/news/comics.2246.X-Men%3A_What_Comes_Next%3F_Part_1)with some cryptic hints about the future of Cyclops, Wolverine, Rogue, Cable, Warpath, Emma, Bishop and Angel.

What was most interesting was the bits about Angel (literally bite?) and Rogue.

And Hi-Fi, I guess you are right about Emma.





All well and good, but where's the Astonishing preview? :mad:

[Brian M.]

I knew someone died at the end of Messiah Complex. That death has to be what splits the X-Men up. I don't see anything else, with the way the story is going, that would split them up.

[frog]

When it mentions one of Wolverine's team members dying do they mean Caliban or someone else?

[Brian M.]

When it mentions one of Wolverine's team members dying do they mean Caliban or someone else?


They mean Caliban.

Somehow I think the Warren thing might have to do w/ his business or maybe Harpoon pins him to a wall again.

[frog]

I know that X-Men: Legacy isn't supposed to be all set in the past but I'm beginning to wonder about it. Is it possibly centered around a dead man - as in Xavier?

[Affinity]

I knew someone died at the end of Messiah Complex. That death has to be what splits the X-Men up. I don't see anything else, with the way the story is going, that would split them up.

Definitely. Like, for ONCE everyone teamed up and the whole cast banging in through the ceiling of Muir Island last issue was like, "OH SHIT!!! LOOK MA, X-MEN!!!"

Something BIG is going down next issue. I can't see them just collapsing after everyone getting together finally.

[pryde15]

I'm wondering about Angel now and his past, doesn't sound to good for Warren. But I am happy that it seems he is a big player in the X-Books again :)

[Affinity]

Last page reveal of Uncanny #495 is going to be Warren in bed with hickeys all over his chest; Dazzler by his side.

[Bulky Brent]

I missed Angel too in the X-Men too.

[Monty_Cristo]

maybe Predator X bites him.

[Brett P]

They mean Caliban.

Somehow I think the Warren thing might have to do w/ his business or maybe Harpoon pins him to a wall again.

Maybe he finds out his company has unwittingly been funding the Purifiers...like with that Austen Maximus Lobo/Dominant Species shebang...

[frog]

maybe Predator X bites him.

Except he's not a part of his past - perhaps Husk bites him?

[podmark]

Maybe I need to reread my X-Men issues but did they just blow what happens with Rogue?

[Hi-Fi]

Wow, Marvel just spoiled what happens to Rogue. LOL.

Thanks for the link, Frog!

[chemicalx]

my poor bishop wtf man!!! how did we get here from District X man seriously :evilangry Oh well at least i still have storm to count on as a mainstain in x-world.... wait....


*runs off to cry about favorite characters current/future status*

[Monty_Cristo]

Except he's not a part of his past - perhaps Husk bites him?

maybe Husk is riding Predator X.

[Matthew K.]

Article at Marvel.com (http://www.marvel.com/news/comics.2246.X-Men%3A_What_Comes_Next%3F_Part_1)with some cryptic hints about the future of Cyclops, Wolverine, Rogue, Cable, Warpath, Emma, Bishop and Angel.
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Looks cool. Looks good...good time to be a fan and reader.

What was most interesting was the bits about Angel (literally bite?)


Is this another Candy Southern corpse story? Cause I'm there.

[Monty_Cristo]

Looks cool. Looks good...good time to be a fan and reader.



Is this another Candy Southern corpse story? Cause I'm there.

she'd have to fight Cameron Hodge for him.

[Brian M.]

Delete Post.

[Toboe]

I know that X-Men: Legacy isn't supposed to be all set in the past but I'm beginning to wonder about it. Is it possibly centered around a dead man - as in Xavier?

That's a nice theory, and I could really see the X-Men split up if he died.

I'm glad Angel is back, can't wait to see what is haunting him.

And oh man, they just totally spoiled Rogue's future...

[Joe Zool]

Re: Rogue--

It sounds like Carey was able to do what Milligan and Bendis was unable to do: Give her a blank slate. Tabula rasa, as it was. I'm happy with this change, but I wonder about her Ms. Marvel powers. Does that mean they are completely gone as well?

And why is Marvel spoiling things ONE week before the "big" conclusion to the crossover? :confused:

[podmark]

Re: Rogue--

It sounds like Carey was able to do what Milligan and Bendis was unable to do: Give her a blank slate. Tabula rasa, as it was. I'm happy with this change, but I wonder about her Ms. Marvel powers. Does that mean they are completely gone as well?


Weren't those gone a while ago, like X-treme X-Men ago?

[Joe Zool]

Weren't those gone a while ago, like X-treme X-Men ago?

No, she just gained complete control of them, if I remember right.

[Joe Zool]

And why is Marvel spoiling things ONE week before the "big" conclusion to the crossover? :confused:

Answering my own question here: it probably has something to do with the upcoming April solicts. Maybe there's some kind of information there that spoils something from the crossover? I dunno, I'm just guessing here. :)

[Joe Franklin]

I'm wondering about Angel now and his past, doesn't sound to good for Warren. But I am happy that it seems he is a big player in the X-Books again :)

It looks as though he will be getting his metal wings back somehow.:cool:

[Beast]

Re: Rogue--

It sounds like Carey was able to do what Milligan and Bendis was unable to do: Give her a blank slate. Tabula rasa, as it was. I'm happy with this change, but I wonder about her Ms. Marvel powers. Does that mean they are completely gone as well?

And why is Marvel spoiling things ONE week before the "big" conclusion to the crossover? :confused:
Bendis didn't want to do that. He wanted her to perma-absorb Genis-Vell during House of M and retain those powers once everything returned to normal. Marvel didn't want her with poweset similar to Ms. Marvel again.

[Beast]

No, she just gained complete control of them, if I remember right.
No, she was stabbed through the heart and lost her powers and absorbed minds then.

[Joe Zool]

Bendis didn't want to do that. He wanted her to perma-absorb Genis-Vell during House of M and retain those powers once everything returned to normal. Marvel didn't want her with poweset similar to Ms. Marvel again.


Oh. I thought I read that he just wanted to essentially strip her powers and start over again.

No, she was stabbed through the heart and lost her powers and absorbed minds then.

As proven above, my memory is a leaky sieve. ;) I was thinking of BEFORE/DURING her battle with Vargas. I have no memory of what happened next, which is odd.

*edit* Oh, wait, yes I do. Then the Milligan run happened and caused me to have amnesia.

[Beast]

Oh. I thought I read that he just wanted to essentially strip her powers and start over again.
I think you're actually thinking of Morrison. Who was going to go a step further and kill Rogue. And then bring in a new younger version of Rogue who was like the goth version from X-Men: Evolution. Naturally, Marvel said no.

[Joe Zool]

I think you're actually thinking of Morrison. Who was going to go a step further and kill Rogue. And then bring in a new younger version of Rogue who was like the goth version from X-Men: Evolution. Naturally, Marvel said no.

No... I guess I just took what Bendis said and translated it into gibberish and made it up to fit my own fantasy. Or something like that. :o

*cough*

At any rate, back to that said spoiler that Marvel gave out... I'm glad that Carey is the one who is writing this new "change" to her powers.

[Joe Franklin]

I think you're actually thinking of Morrison. Who was going to go a step further and kill Rogue. And then bring in a new younger version of Rogue who was like the goth version from X-Men: Evolution. Naturally, Marvel said no.

And the sadest part of it all is that while Marvel would not allow Morrison to butcher Rogue, they were more then glad to let Morrison butcher Beast.:(

[podmark]

I like Cat-Beast.

[Brent1974]

Wow, I cannot wait. Another death. :eek: Should be a long few days of batting around ideas etc. It'll be fun.

[dotdotdot]

there would be nothing better than a dead professor x....think of the amazing relationship between the x-men and magneto now that there is no bridge of "past relationship with xavier" to connect that rivalry. yeah.

[Rollo_Tomasi]

sounds like ol' Chuck is going to bite the big one if you ask me.

[Brian M.]

He's in Legacy, we've seen art.

[dotdotdot]

He's in Legacy, we've seen art.

yeah i think everyone is taking that what comes next article wrong, but i just wanted to make that point. without xavier there is something really interesting to say about magneto now. his relationship with scott and logan is far more interesting anyway.

[Hi-Fi]

Xavier will now adopt Rogue and Gambit as his new apprentices.

[Nubian]

He's in Legacy, we've seen art.

We saw his body lying down and then a flashback to his past.

[Nubian]

http://www.earth-2.net/images/news/2008/01/2008-01-07/x-men05.jpg

[claimtosubclaim]

Warren mixed up in Purifiers business. Either The Purifiers become even more major players in the post-MC X-Universe, or Warren joins X-Force. I'm hoping it's the former rather than the latter, because he will *die* in X-Force and in Yost's/Kyle's hands. Here's to hoping he ends up Carey's book after the Legacy arcs are done.

[Brent1974]

http://www.earth-2.net/images/news/2008/01/2008-01-07/x-men05.jpg

Actually he looks like he is sitting in a chair with his eyes shut in the first panel.

[Omega Alpha]

I think the thing from Warren's past is Cameron Hodge.

Or not, but is a good guess.

[Wild Card13]

Actually he looks like he is sitting in a chair with his eyes shut in the first panel.

Nah, look at the shadows. That's the kind you get when you've got lighting directly overhead.

[Hi-Fi]

I think it can only be Cameron Hodge. It's not like Warren has a bunch of old subplots and arch-enemies hanging.

[DeniseXfrost]

Rogue would probably have the biggest change.
Xavier will now adopt Rogue and Gambit as his new apprentices.
GAh Gahhhh :o :o :o no. Rogue can find better men than that!

[Omega Alpha]

I think it can only be Cameron Hodge. It's not like Warren has a bunch of old subplots and arch-enemies hanging.

You see, even Hi-Fi is listening to me. I must be right!

[Hi-Fi]

GAh Gahhhh :o :o :o no. Rogue can find better men than that!
She should be with Bobby and Sam, but I'll get what I can.

You see, even Hi-Fi is listening to me. I must be right!
Indeed! Or maybe it's Harpoon!!!

[fitditz]

yeah i think they just let it slip what has happened to rogue but also why that darn baby is so dangerous!

[dotdotdot]

i would also be in favor of that art showing a dead professor x and his life flashing before his eyes/shift into the afterlife/haunting the mansion ruins as the plot of legacy.

[claimtosubclaim]

i would also be in favor of that art showing a dead professor x and his life flashing before his eyes/shift into the afterlife/haunting the mansion ruins as the plot of legacy.

A ghost Xavier cryptically whispering instructions to his students? I hope not. Unless he uses Rogue, Bobby, and Sam as his main agents.

[dotdotdot]

A ghost Xavier cryptically whispering instructions to his students? I hope not. Unless he uses Rogue, Bobby, and Sam as his main agents.

i'm picturing the statue from here comes tomorrow with some voiceover narrative boxes. a continued presence, lets say. like a tulpa.

[jester1436]

Being a floaty telepathic ghost will be Xavier's secondary mutation. :)

[dotdotdot]

Being a floaty telepathic ghost will be Xavier's secondary mutation. :)

he's been depicted from a telepathic distance as a floating head giving advice for so long
it's like......logical next step

[Nubian]

Uuuuuse the foooorce, Luk-- er, Scott.

[Monty_Cristo]

why wouldn't they just clone him another new body like after he was infected by the Brood?

[dotdotdot]

why wouldn't they just clone him another new body like after he was infected by the Brood?

because that would be stupid. that's why.

[Red Lotus]

Xavier will now adopt Rogue and Gambit as his new apprentices.


In New X-men 46 It was kind of odd to see Xavier proud of Gambit. That might have been the best interactions the two have ever had.

[Slant]

In New X-men 46 It was kind of odd to see Xavier proud of Gambit. That might have been the best interactions the two have ever had.

There was one way back in Adjectiveless, I think its around the 30s or so, where Gambit just asks to talk to Xavier about some things on his mind. Thats the best one I think.

[Magneto X]

because that would be stupid. that's why.

Yes.

Also, didn't it take the Shi'ar to do that cloning business?

Vulcan = :evilangry not willing.

[Hi-Fi]

There was one way back in Adjectiveless, I think its around the 30s or so, where Gambit just asks to talk to Xavier about some things on his mind. Thats the best one I think.
Agreed. Betsy is going to the airport (or something like that) and Xavier asks if Gambit isn't cold as they're seeing her taxi go outside the mansion. He says he's freezing but McCoy doesn't let him smoke inside anymore. Then he says he needs to talk to Charles about Rogue and Bella Donna and they go inside, whit Gambit throwing his cigar on the ground and Xavier calling on it like he was a kid.

I love that moment.

[Monty_Cristo]

Yes.

Also, didn't it take the Shi'ar to do that cloning business?

Vulcan = :evilangry not willing.

Xavier is part of the same Illuminati as Iron Man; who has cloned an asgardian deity.

[ProfeZZor X]

They better explain what happens to Bobby in the next article... And I hope its not a lame cop out like becoming an accountant again, or returning to care for his sick father... Or finding Opal to make sure that kid isn't his.

[jester1436]

They better explain what happens to Bobby in the next article... And I hope its not a lame cop out like becoming an accountant again, or returning to care for his sick father... Or finding Opal to make sure that kid isn't his.

How about he's discovering himself with Cannonball on a road trip. :)

[Slung]

And the sadest part of it all is that while Marvel would not allow Morrison to butcher Rogue, they were more then glad to let Morrison butcher Beast.:(

Ummm...Jean, anyone?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

How did Morrison butcher her character?

Killing her off on an anniversary issue doesn't quite equate her being written like crap for 35-40ish issues, does it?

[Hi-Fi]

Jean was my favorite character during Morrison's run.

[Slung]

How did Morrison butcher her character?

Killing her off on an anniversary issue doesn't quite equate her being written like crap for 35-40ish issues, does it?

I'm assuming this is aimed at me...How about telling us over and over how she always dies, making her look like bully to justify an affair, having her die a tragically pointless death and then having her magically make her husband make out with his mistress on her grave. Not exactly what I'd call a real big help to the character. He wrote her brilliantly for his entire run before that and then butchered her. Literally. As in dead. Sure, fine.

And Beast was written well by Morrison. Other than that whole cat nonsense.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Jean was my favorite character during Morrison's run.

Damnedest thing is, if she'd been written like that for a long duration, I wouldn't even have had a problem with Jott to start with.

[DeniseXfrost]

Jean was my favorite character during Morrison's run.
Same here.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'm assuming this is aimed at me...How about telling us over and over how she always dies, making her look like bully to justify an affair,

Wait, you're saying her being a bully is out of character? Really? :D

having her die a tragically pointless death and then having her magically make her husband make out with his mistress on her grave. Not exactly what I'd call a real big help to the character.

Loved the death part about AN Omega getting pwned, but, yeah, I was no big fan of Morrison's last arc...

He wrote her brilliantly for his entire run before that and then butchered her. Sure, fine.

See, we do meet one another halfway there once every 3 months.

[Omega Alpha]

Indeed! Or maybe it's Harpoon!!!

Why would Harpoon be involved with the Purifiers?

[ProfeZZor X]

How about he's discovering himself with Cannonball on a road trip. :)

I think he's discovered himself enough under the pen of Mike Carey. He still seems ambitious about being an X-Man, so I would be happy with him leading the main New X-Men or another squad.

[Christopher O]

Wow, Marvel just spoiled what happens to Rogue. LOL.

Thanks for the link, Frog!
LOL
Now maybe people will stop with those silly theories about Sinister's personality taking over Rogue's body.

Jean was my favorite character during Morrison's run.
They were all my favorites. Morrison wrote his entire cast very well.

[claimtosubclaim]

I think he's discovered himself enough under the pen of Mike Carey. He still seems ambitious about being an X-Man, so I would be happy with him leading the main New X-Men or another squad.

I'd vouch for either a Rogue/Iceman/Cannonball triumvirate or Angel/Iceman co-leadership.

[magik420]

i thought all the hypotheses about rogue w/ sinister's personality were interesting.... i thought it would be cool, rogue turned into a villian, with scary genetic powers or whatever.... hehe. and now she's going to be a blank slate? so she won't have ANY powers, no super strength, no nothing. she will just be a big country girl who can't touch anyone? that sounds rather blah to me.

[Leirus]

I do not find that silly Sinister poderous mind taking over Rogue, It has happened before (Spiral in SanFran) but I also do not like the idea, so better not...

[d newton]

Wait, you're saying her being a bully is out of character? Really?
I guess you missed the scene where Jean forces Emma to relive her past after she catches her and Scott in love due to the Stepford Cuckoos?

[frog]

Marvel.com seems to have taken down the story. If it's because of the information about Rogue I'm afraid it's a little late for that!

[soulkiller]

hah! So they did! LOL...that's funny.

good thing I copied it into Word this morning! :D

[Hi-Fi]

Someone is going to get fired.

Seriously, they talked about Rogue's fate IN DETAILS. LOL!

[streator]

Marvel.com seems to have taken down the story. If it's because of the information about Rogue I'm afraid it's a little late for that!

i missed it, but from what i can pick up in this thread it sounded interesting.

[Daithi]

I guess you missed the scene where Jean forces Emma to relive her past after she catches her and Scott in love due to the Stepford Cuckoos?

That was written by the person accussed of making Jean a bully in the first place so doesn't count.

[Euks]

Article at Marvel.com (http://www.marvel.com/news/comics.2246.X-Men%3A_What_Comes_Next%3F_Part_1)with some cryptic hints about the future of Cyclops, Wolverine, Rogue, Cable, Warpath, Emma, Bishop and Angel.

What was most interesting was the bits about Angel (literally bite?) and Rogue.

And Hi-Fi, I guess you are right about Emma.





All well and good, but where's the Astonishing preview? :mad:

I missed the article, what did it have to say about Emma?

[soulkiller]

Someone is going to get fired.

Seriously, they talked about Rogue's fate IN DETAILS. LOL!


I know! It was interesting to read it, but they should have waited until this time next week. I guess they eventually decided on that too! LOL

[ExodusCloak]

I know that X-Men: Legacy isn't supposed to be all set in the past but I'm beginning to wonder about it. Is it possibly centered around a dead man - as in Xavier?

That could be. What if Mystique is the one who offs him. Then the next Wolverine arc will make total sense.

[Sentinel K]

Is it just me that is unable to read this article?

It just asks for a password even though i'm logged in...

[frog]

Is it just me that is unable to read this article?

It just asks for a password even though i'm logged in...

They removed the article - we were discussing that a little further up the thread.

[Sentinel K]

They removed the article - we were discussing that a little further up the thread.

Heh. i didn't read any posts as i couldn't see the article. :o

[soulkiller]

Mar420x posted it here http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=205961 this morning. It's hard to read though, what with no line spacing or paragraphs.

[Sentou Ryoku]

Damn, woke up too late in the day for this article...Could someone please PM or reply back with the spoiler tidbits concerning Rogue? Thank you thank you!

[soulkiller]

Here's the article again, posted on the Marvel boards.

http://www.marvel.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=100954

[Brian M.]

Why didn't they put Xavier in that article?

[frog]

Why didn't they put Xavier in that article?

I guess they are still being careful about spoiling Legacy any.

[soulkiller]

Why didn't they put Xavier in that article?

He must going to be in part 2.

[Red Lotus]

The better question is why didn't they put Gambit in there.

[soulkiller]

Um...he's in part 2 as well? He'd better be anyway.

[Hi-Fi]

Why isn't Blindspot in the article??

I miss that obsessed lesbian!

[bluedmighty]

YAY!!!!!!

Theory time.

Bishop accidently shoots and kills Charlie X. No comming back from that.

Cable escapes.

X-men and Accolytes join up to beat Preditor X

Young X-men fight the Murauders.

Rogue wakes, doesn't remember Mystique, and leaves with Gambit.

Pixie and her unicorns rape Wolverine.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I guess they are still being careful about spoiling Legacy any.

That thought is just tragically funny, when one thinks about how so many elements of MC's ending have been spoiled...

[Monty_Cristo]

i love unicorn rape

[Red Lotus]

i love unicorn rape

Is that the voice of experience talking.

[Monty_Cristo]

Is that the voice of experience talking.

i was horny. get it? *awkward silence*

[podmark]

Pixie and her unicorns rape Wolverine.

Best. Ending. Ever.

[DeniseXfrost]

Notice how they refer The cuckoos as Emma's students and not her daughters.

[Beast]

Notice how they refer The cuckoos as Emma's students and not her daughters.
And? They're still her daughters. No matter how craptastic that was.

[Brian M.]

Lets all just forget Warsong. It's uminportant. It's still continuity but the less we remember it, the better.

[Matthew K.]

I think it can only be Cameron Hodge. It's not like Warren has a bunch of old subplots and arch-enemies hanging.

And with Cameron comes a sweet possibility of Candy.

Yeah...okay likely not, but it does leave a small crack from a comeback or some good flashbacks.

I'm interested to see where this goes with Warren regardless...his character needs some more interest.

[DeniseXfrost]

And? They're still her daughters. No matter how craptastic that was.
Hmm I was going to say that it's good that Marvel refer them as her students and not her daughters.

[dotdotdot]

And? They're still her daughters. No matter how craptastic that was.

yes but someone would have to follow up on that plot in some way. you don't just start addressing it with throwaway lines

scott: "oh emma we'll get your daughters to use cerebra for us"
emma: "rock on"

[_Jayme_]

Lets all just forget Warsong. It's uminportant. It's still continuity but the less we remember it, the better.

'tis true. I'm still waiting for some sort of closure on that, so that I don't think it ends like it did. It's one of those cliffhangers where I know it's gonna be a trainwreck, however it turns out, but I still wanna watch it.

[icareenuffforII]

Anyone who didn't know the Cuckoos were Emma's daughters just wasn't paying attention.

They've reverted to their "current writer does v. little with Super telepaths" status.

[Omega Alpha]

Anyone who didn't know the Cuckoos were Emma's daughters just wasn't paying attention.


No, anyone that thought that they were Emma's daughters, or related to her, wasn't paying attention and lost the point entirely. They were a comment on how impressionable youth is and how obsessive they can be in follow and copy their idols. The Cuckoos were the equivalent of the teenage girls that try to dress and act like Cristina Aguilera, Beyonce, Britney Spears, and so on.

[Beast]

'tis true. I'm still waiting for some sort of closure on that, so that I don't think it ends like it did. It's one of those cliffhangers where I know it's gonna be a trainwreck, however it turns out, but I still wanna watch it.
I'm sure we'll get another pointless and crappy Phoenix miniseries soon.

[Red Lotus]

I'm sure we'll get another pointless and crappy Phoenix miniseries soon.

Isn't that what the new Cable book is about. Baby Jean in the future. :D




I know the baby isn't Jean.