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Demon wizard
01-17-2008, 11:05 AM
Recently in my High school Creative writing class we had to make a collection of poems with a common theme. Mine was basically how corruption is often the result of people's ignorance. Now one of my poems was about the misrepresentation of Jesus and his teachings, which I told from an exaggeratedly racist point of view to show how ridiculous many of those people sound. Unfortunately a fair chunk of the class missed the point of the poem and believe me to be an anti semitic, Arab hating A hole. Recently when we got the comment sheets people filled out I got comments such as these.


I apologize for being blunt, but you are being completely out of line when you mention that Jesus would say "Let's blow these Arabs..." That is offending, and i don't see how you could insist that Jesus has all these thoughts in his head.


Good example of what Jesus would be like if he were a sadist.
This comment wasn't too bad. It's the section where he tried to guess the overall theme of my presentation that got to me.

I hate Arabs and George Bush
(he was half right.)


not many people would agree with the first poem about Jesus but I guess it's your own opinion.


I respect your thought Jack But Jesus is a loving person


Is this supposed to be sarcastic?
At least this person didn't assume I was an A hole.

Luckily most of the people got the point of the poem, but for the few that didn't, should I try to apologize/explain it to them, leave them alone, or maybe include disclaimers for this type of poem in the future?

Matt Algren
01-17-2008, 11:12 AM
Can we see the poem?

On an unrelated note, you were born a month after I graduated high school. I may have to lie down.

Dom
01-17-2008, 11:17 AM
I like how you intimated Jesus was gay AND anti arab.

What else could you have meant by "blow these Arabs..."

Paradox
01-17-2008, 11:19 AM
Matt Algren is sooooo old:

On an unrelated note, you were born a month after I graduated high school. I may have to lie down.

Oh, cry me a river, child. ;)

Class of '78

Dom
01-17-2008, 11:19 AM
Class of '99 REPRESENT YO!!!!

Paul McEnery
01-17-2008, 11:21 AM
Can we see the poem?

On an unrelated note, you were born a month after I graduated high school. I may have to lie down.

I still remember the first time, working retail, that I checked someone's ID and realized they had never shared the planet with The Beatles.

Which reference now makes me feel even older.

Dom
01-17-2008, 11:21 AM
I still remember the first time, working retail, that I checked someone's ID and realized they had never shared the planet with The Beatles.

Which reference now makes me feel even older.

What are The Beatles?

Paul McEnery
01-17-2008, 11:22 AM
Recently in my High school Creative writing class we had to make a collection of poems with a common theme. Mine was basically how corruption is often the result of people's ignorance. Now one of my poems was about the misrepresentation of Jesus and his teachings, which I told from an exaggeratedly racist point of view to show how ridiculous many of those people sound. Unfortunately a fair chunk of the class missed the point of the poem and believe me to be an anti semitic, Arab hating A hole. Recently when we got the comment sheets people filled out I got comments such as these.




This comment wasn't too bad. It's the section where he tried to guess the overall theme of my presentation that got to me.

(he was half right.)






At least this person didn't assume I was an A hole.

Luckily most of the people got the point of the poem, but for the few that didn't, should I try to apologize/explain it to them, leave them alone, or maybe include disclaimers for this type of poem in the future?

Ooh.

*winces*

Tough assignment to take on for yourself before you've mastered your skills.

As you now know.

BoosterBronze
01-17-2008, 11:23 AM
Pearls before swine. Wit is wasted on those who have none. Um... other cliches meaning 'don't sweat it if people don't understand sofisticated writing.'

This is assuming what you wrote is as you discribe it, and requires more than a couple seconds thought to understand.

Never explain. Never apologize.

Class of '98 all up in here! Where my dogs at! Woop Woop!

Tadhg
01-17-2008, 11:23 AM
Class of '99 REPRESENT YO!!!!

Damn Straight.

Demon wizard
01-17-2008, 11:24 AM
Can we see the poem?

On an unrelated note, you were born a month after I graduated high school. I may have to lie down.

I guess so. Keep in mind I wrote this in class, the day the project was due.

WWJD

If Jesus were today
What would he do, what would he say?
I will tell you my friends, he would know that not all is well
And he would say, "Let's blow those Arabs straight to hell!"
The lack of morals would make his blood boil,
and he he would join the crusade, to take back the holy oil!
He would not stand for all these non Christians fools
HE would cleanse the polluted gene poll
What I tell you is completely true
If he were here today, Thats what Jesus would do.

The more I look at it the less I like it.

SOGG
01-17-2008, 11:25 AM
Yeah, I'm with the Algren. We'd need to see the poem.

Demon wizard
01-17-2008, 11:26 AM
Yeah, I'm with the Algren. We'd need to see the poem.

Bitch read before you post! ^^^^^^

BoosterBronze
01-17-2008, 11:27 AM
I recall in high school my drama teacher wanted to do a show about race relations. She encouraged students to write segments that really dealt with young people's experiences with rrace.

There were a couple 'people of different colors holding hands under a rainbow' scenes, and a song about how we're all the same.

I wrote a scene about a young white man confronting that the cultural definition of 'cool' that he was presented with was based on how 'black' you acted. I think it was a fairly mature and thoughtful piece for a 17 year old.

The day after I turned in my submission she decided not to do the Race Relations program, and did "Grease." I still wonder if there was a cause and effect.

Dom
01-17-2008, 11:27 AM
Whoa there!

BoosterBronze
01-17-2008, 11:28 AM
I guess so. Keep in mind I wrote this in class, the day the project was due.

WWJD

If Jesus were today
What would he do, what would he say?
I will tell you my friends, he would know that not all is well
And he would say, "Let's blow those Arabs straight to hell!"
The lack of morals would make his blood boil,
and he he would join the crusade, to take back the holy oil!
He would not stand for all these non Christians fools
HE would cleanse the polluted gene poll
What I tell you is completely true
If he were here today, Thats what Jesus would do.

The more I look at it the less I like it.

Regardless of the imperfections you might see, you'd have to be a damn fool not to see this is an anti-war piece.

SOGG
01-17-2008, 11:34 AM
Bitch read before you post! ^^^^^^

not sure what the carets mean.... but server times?

SOGG
01-17-2008, 11:35 AM
feh... it's a slightly lengthened version of "Who would Jesus bomb?"

And people who don't get satire THAT obvious need to go back to Dr. Seuss.

Matt Algren
01-17-2008, 11:36 AM
Regardless of the imperfections you might see, you'd have to be a damn fool not to see this is an anti-war piece.
Or a high school sophomore.

DW, I wouldn't sweat it. You said most people got it, and that's a big plus. It might be worth a mention if you know who wrote what and they're friends of yours, but I'd explain it, not apologize.

And no way should you put a disclaimer on future stuff. That sucks all the air out of it.

SUPERECWFAN1
01-17-2008, 11:40 AM
The day after I turned in my submission she decided not to do the Race Relations program, and did "Grease." I still wonder if there was a cause and effect.


Imagine Jesus singing in Grease

Jesus: "I got chills...and their multiplying! I'm losin control."

Mary M : "You better shape up , because I need a man. Got my heart set on you !"


Someone call your High Schools. Jesus Christ: Grease . Imagine the 12 Apostles and Jesus singing .." Go Grease Lightening Go !"








Ok to be serious Demon Wizard I would like to see the poem though. I'd like to read and see what it says. Is it worse than my Jesus Christ: Grease idea...odds are no.;)

Matt Algren
01-17-2008, 11:41 AM
Ok to be serious Demon Wizard I would like to see the poem though. I'd like to read and see what it says.
Dude, he posted it fifteen minutes ago.

SUPERECWFAN1
01-17-2008, 11:44 AM
I guess so. Keep in mind I wrote this in class, the day the project was due.

WWJD

If Jesus were today
What would he do, what would he say?
I will tell you my friends, he would know that not all is well
And he would say, "Let's blow those Arabs straight to hell!"
The lack of morals would make his blood boil,
and he he would join the crusade, to take back the holy oil!
He would not stand for all these non Christians fools
HE would cleanse the polluted gene poll
What I tell you is completely true
If he were here today, Thats what Jesus would do.

The more I look at it the less I like it.


Regardless of the imperfections you might see, you'd have to be a damn fool not to see this is an anti-war piece.

Yeah it reads like satire and an anti-war piece. I liked it.

SUPERECWFAN1
01-17-2008, 11:45 AM
Dude, he posted it fifteen minutes ago.

I know I missed it somehow...when I posted that. I backtracked thru the thread after I posted and found it.

Gezora
01-17-2008, 11:50 AM
I used write shit like that all the time in high school. Fortunately, my Arts teacher was a free speech nut, and I never got in trouble.

Seriously, how podunk are these people that they can't see satire when it's right in front of them? Try hitting them with it. Like, literally roll it up and smack 'em on the nose with it. If they still don't get it, wrap it around the head of a ball-peen and try it again. I'm sure they'll get after that.

Justin D.
01-17-2008, 11:56 AM
I can see how someone might get confused about your poem, especially if they don't know you. The only thing I'd change to make it more clear would be the title though.



Never explain. Never apologize.

Seeing as this is the antithesis of a writing workshop, don't do the first part. The whole point of writing workshops is to enable constructive criticism, encourage feedback, engage in discussion, and respond to what's been discussed. In other words, yes, explain what you meant. I'm sure the teacher will be fine with you asking for time to do that. Could get into an interesting discussion about religion, war, and politics with that too.

Tobias March
01-17-2008, 12:01 PM
Yeah it reads like satire and an anti-war piece. I liked it.

Yeah I like it too, don't beat yourself up too much. Be aware of who you're writing for certainly, but if you have something to say say it.

Also I was born the year John Lennon died. So I got a whole 12 months to share a world with four Beatles. Drat.

Well I'll always have Tatu :evilsmile

Paul McEnery
01-17-2008, 12:02 PM
Or a high school sophomore.

DW, I wouldn't sweat it. You said most people got it, and that's a big plus. It might be worth a mention if you know who wrote what and they're friends of yours, but I'd explain it, not apologize.

And no way should you put a disclaimer on future stuff. That sucks all the air out of it.

Matt is right.

(However, I'd just like to point out that "Bitch!" and pointy arrows don't come across as humourously as you think they do; well, not until people know you. Speaking as someone whose communication skills are sometimes lacking.)

Demon wizard
01-17-2008, 12:25 PM
I can see how someone might get confused about your poem, especially if they don't know you. The only thing I'd change to make it more clear would be the title though.


Well, if you read the other poems, they are all pretty anti Bush, so it wouldn't make much sense to write a pro war poem. I Figured that logic would make it pretty obvious.

Demon wizard
01-17-2008, 12:26 PM
not sure what the carets mean.... but server times?

they were meant to be ponting up, to my previously posted poem.

Valmore
01-17-2008, 12:29 PM
Class of '95.

I hate George W. Bush.

And Arabs.

And Joe Rice.

And white people.

And Hillary Clinton.

And the Irish.

And Canadians.

And rednecks.

And commercials.

Cei-U!
01-17-2008, 12:39 PM
Oh, cry me a river, child. ;)

Class of '78

Whippersnapper.

Class of '75

Winslow
01-17-2008, 12:41 PM
I agree with Justin, an explanation might be helpful.

The poem's intent was clear to me. I don't think an apology is necessary or required. Maybe a "I'm sorry you're so stupid." waitaminute, scratch that.

Oh, Class of '80 reporting in.

SOGG
01-17-2008, 12:44 PM
I wonder what Solomon Asche would think about both this thread and/or the class reaction to the poem.

Acecool
01-17-2008, 12:48 PM
I guess so. Keep in mind I wrote this in class, the day the project was due.

WWJD

If Jesus were today
What would he do, what would he say?
I will tell you my friends, he would know that not all is well
And he would say, "Let's blow those Arabs straight to hell!"
The lack of morals would make his blood boil,
and he he would join the crusade, to take back the holy oil!
He would not stand for all these non Christians fools
HE would cleanse the polluted gene poll
What I tell you is completely true
If he were here today, Thats what Jesus would do.

The more I look at it the less I like it.

It is obviously satirical.

Tom-El
01-17-2008, 12:53 PM
Whippersnapper.

Class of '75

Youngster!

Class of '74! ;-)

BTW, I liked the poem.

Tom

morna
01-17-2008, 01:04 PM
Oh, cry me a river, child. ;)

Class of '78


Whippersnapper.

Class of '75

I'm right in between you two - class of '76 ... or was it '77

The poem is SO obviously satirical that I really wonder about the people who missed it.

Justin D.
01-17-2008, 01:20 PM
Hey, DW, you managed to pull all the old people into one place. Good job. Now, round'em up and ship them to the outside world. They may not survive the harsh environment of a devastated post-apocalyptic world, but they don't belong in the city.

Sorry, too much time in the 25 greatest scifi films thread.

Michael P
01-17-2008, 01:35 PM
It's supposed to not have any coherent meter, right?

Matt Algren
01-17-2008, 01:37 PM
It's supposed to not have any coherent meter, right?
Sophomore in high school.

Demon wizard
01-17-2008, 02:15 PM
Actually, the comments did have names. I could use our schools E-mail to send them all the definition of Satire.

Paul McEnery
01-17-2008, 02:17 PM
Hey, DW, you managed to pull all the old people into one place. Good job. Now, round'em up and ship them to the outside world. They may not survive the harsh environment of a devastated post-apocalyptic world, but they don't belong in the city.

Sorry, too much time in the 25 greatest scifi films thread.

I am old, but you are not shagging Jenny Agutter. So there.

Tom-El
01-17-2008, 02:56 PM
I am old, but you are not shagging Jenny Agutter. So there.


WOW!

Color me impressed!

And a bit envious! ;-)

Tom

SOGG
01-17-2008, 03:18 PM
It's supposed to not have any coherent meter, right?

Maybe he thinks he's Ginsberg?

DonC
01-17-2008, 03:50 PM
I still remember the first time, working retail, that I checked someone's ID and realized they had never shared the planet with The Beatles.

Which reference now makes me feel even older.


You mean Paul McCartney was in a band before Wings?


And, DW, if people don't get your poem, that's on them.

FunkyGreenJerusalem
01-17-2008, 04:13 PM
I still remember the first time, working retail, that I checked someone's ID and realized they had never shared the planet with The Beatles.

Which reference now makes me feel even older.

I never got to share the planet with John.

StoneGold
01-17-2008, 04:15 PM
You mean Paul McCartney was in a band before Wings?




Paul McCartney was in a band?


I just thought he had dead/mauled wives.

Donald M.
01-17-2008, 04:28 PM
Your topic title is misleading. It should read, "A couple of people from my school think I'm racist because they're morons."

I think you can get the mods to change it.

Charles RB
01-17-2008, 04:32 PM
I think when you've got a line saying "the holy oil", it should be obvious that there's some satire going on. Maybe the others in your class just weren't paying attention or didn't bother reading it properly.

Demon wizard
01-17-2008, 04:42 PM
Your topic title is misleading. It should read, "A couple of people from my school think I'm racist because they're morons."

I think you can get the mods to change it.

Interesting choice....

I still think mines catchier.

Paul McEnery
01-17-2008, 06:53 PM
Interesting choice....

I still think mines catchier.

See, now you're getting cocky. ;)

Let's get back to your control of scansion, shall we?

Paul McEnery
01-17-2008, 06:54 PM
I never got to share the planet with John.

You didn't miss much.

Ringo's the better kisser.

FunkyGreenJerusalem
01-17-2008, 07:06 PM
You didn't miss much.

Ringo's the better kisser.

Ringo...?

He's that guy from the All-Starr band right?

Never understood how he got so famous.

Gingold
01-17-2008, 07:28 PM
Ringo...?

He's that guy from the All-Starr band right?

Never understood how he got so famous.

Obviously, you've never seen Caveman.

Alex
01-17-2008, 08:38 PM
Class of 02!!!
They teach creative writing in highschool now?

Gilda Dent
01-17-2008, 08:47 PM
You mean Paul McCartney was in a band before Wings?

Wait, Paul McCartney was on Wings? I loved that show!

Class of '95 here.

In regards to the OP, it's obviously a satire. If anything, I'd have expected some objections to the satirical use of WWJD from the people who take that seriously.

Chris N
01-17-2008, 09:13 PM
Oh, cry me a river, child. ;)

Class of '78

Hey, over here too!

That's exactly when my parents graduated!


Class of '99 REPRESENT YO!!!!


Damn Straight.

What what

Nitmo
01-17-2008, 10:57 PM
Hey, over here too!

That's exactly when my parents graduated!




Hey, my mom Graduated in '78

I'm a little older, class of '98 here


And didn't Paul McCartney die a LOOONG time ago?

Sean Whitmore
01-17-2008, 11:24 PM
I never got to share the planet with John.

I did, for about 5 months.

Then somebody upstairs must have said, "Fuck this, we can't have both of them walking around." And then that was that.


SEAN

mattx110
01-17-2008, 11:35 PM
I did, for about 5 months.

Then somebody upstairs must have said, "Fuck this, we can't have both of them walking around." And then that was that.


SEAN
If only you weren't so precocious and crawled a bit longer...

Sean Whitmore
01-17-2008, 11:43 PM
If only you weren't so precocious and crawled a bit longer...

Ironically, it was "Imagine" that inspired me to take those first steps.


SEAN

Paul McEnery
01-17-2008, 11:45 PM
Ringo...?

He's that guy from the All-Starr band right?

Never understood how he got so famous.

Doing Thomas the Tank Engine.

And doing that bird. You know. That famous one.

Spike-X
01-18-2008, 01:19 AM
And no way should you put a disclaimer on future stuff. That sucks all the air out of it.

Yeah, dumbing yourself down to cater to fuckwits gets old real quick.

Charles RB
01-18-2008, 08:12 AM
I'm a little older, class of '98 here

Class of 04.

You're all old fogeys.

K'Nort
01-18-2008, 08:12 AM
North Dakota State University recently did an entire issue of satire and had to subsequently make all sorts of public apologies because most of their reader base was offended by the racism, etc. Comprehension issues don't cease after high school.


And class of '89.

Cei-U!
01-18-2008, 08:18 AM
They teach creative writing in highschool now?

Whaddayamean "now"? I took Creative Writing as a junior (1973-74).

Cei-U!
Of course I rode a mastodon to school...

Demon wizard
01-18-2008, 09:31 AM
Class of 02!!!
They teach creative writing in highschool now?

They've taught it at my school for a while. I have the same Creative writing teacher my uncle had.

Ray R.
01-18-2008, 10:27 AM
Whaddayamean "now"? I took Creative Writing as a junior (1973-74).

Cei-U!
Of course I rode a mastodon to school...

At least you didn't have to carry a pail of coal in each arm two miles through the snow. I would have killed for a mastodon. Those were the good old days.

Class of '86.

Nightstar1441
01-18-2008, 11:22 AM
Gonna agree with everyone here that I saw nothing wrong with the poem.

And I agree with Booster - you should never apologize.

There is no way you can predict what will effect/offend other people when applying you skills - best to try and be yourself and be happy with your work cause they'll always be someone that will find fault with it, regardless.

It's just the way people are.

Gilda Dent
01-18-2008, 11:57 AM
Gonna agree with everyone here that I saw nothing wrong with the poem.

And I agree with Booster - you should never apologize.

There is no way you can predict what will effect/offend other people when applying you skills - best to try and be yourself and be happy with your work cause they'll always be someone that will find fault with it, regardless.

It's just the way people are.

Well, there are problems with the poem, but being racist isn't one of them. There is nothing wrong with explaining the satire involved to those who didn't get it the first time. This is a school class, so learning things like this is the purpose of sharing one's work.

Nightstar1441
01-18-2008, 12:09 PM
Well, there are problems with the poem, but being racist isn't one of them. There is nothing wrong with explaining the satire involved to those who didn't get it the first time. This is a school class, so learning things like this is the purpose of sharing one's work.


I whole heartily agree with the learning aspect on the poems and if questioned, a explanation should be offered.

But if someone who reads it just comes out and says 'You're a racist' instead of asking the question that would be of benefit to the class, then I don't think that person deserves an explanation since he is not making a contribution or attempting to understand the work but a judgement beyond the work itself and onto the person/creator.

Ronald Bryan
01-18-2008, 05:39 PM
Maybe there should be a seperate thread "What was your high school graduating class?"

'98, word.

Mike Pothier
01-19-2008, 02:42 AM
Who cares what they think? Its high school. Its all crap anyway.

Class o' 99.

Ben Morgan
01-19-2008, 03:24 AM
I feel so young here........class of '08

Demon wizard
01-19-2008, 08:21 AM
Haha! your all old! Class of 10! (assuming I don't flunk)

Puma
01-19-2008, 08:36 AM
Maybe there should be a seperate thread "What was your high school graduating class?"

'98, word.

1981




puppies.

Ben Morgan
01-19-2008, 11:54 AM
Haha! your all old! Class of 10! (assuming I don't flunk)
At least I'm not the youngest here

sherlockbones
01-19-2008, 12:02 PM
after reading the book in 1996, thought a militant jesus was a clever idea

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The novel Live from Golgotha: the Gospel according to Gore Vidal is an irreverent spoof of the New Testament written by Gore Vidal. Told from the perspective of Saint Timothy as he travels with Saint Paul, the 1992 novel shifts in time as Timothy and Paul combat a mysterious hacker from the future who is deleting all traces of Christianity.

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St. Paul freely improvises his tales as he evangelizes. ""All things are contained within the single mind of One True God in His three aspects." Saint Paul could dispense this sort of smooth bullshit while taking apart and reassembling a Holy Rolodex machine," Timothy relates as he witnesses St. Paul in action. Paul speaks in "ye olde" when he quotes the voluminous Christ. Timothy remarks that when Saul of Tarsus meets the Christ ghost, he converts to a religion that Saul/Paul himself had not yet founded. People are consistently disappointed to learn that Christ weighed 400 lbs. and spoke with a lisp. "Why doth thou persecute-eth me-th?" There is an interesting plot twist when Judas is mistaken for Christ and almost crucified. It seems that the "real Christ" was a militant Zionist, and Paul's golden-rule Christianity an improvisation. Paul journeys from town to town raising money and founding churches, adding to his Holy rolodex, and tap-dancing. Cameos from celebrities such as Nero, Petronius, and Shirley MacLaine are interspersed throughout Timothy's odyssey from A.D. 33 to A.D 96.

Chris N
01-19-2008, 06:24 PM
1981




puppies.

I was alive when you graduated.

And probably even crawling. I'd have to check with my mom on that one though.

Paradox
01-19-2008, 10:13 PM
Demon wizard thinks that's a negative:

Haha! your all old!

Yes, we are. It's why we can actually spell and use proper grammar and contractions. :D

StoneGold
01-19-2008, 10:17 PM
Yes, we are. It's why we can actually spell and use proper grammar and contractions. :D

Although in fairness, proper writing should not use contractions.



Sorry, been helping someone with her law school entry papers. I don't know shit about any specific tips to help her get in, but I know enough to help her at least write a semi-classy essay. Focus more on key positives, and how to use some language to sound more assertive. And I just had to change all her contractions to... not contractions. There's no word for that, is there?

Ben Morgan
01-19-2008, 10:20 PM
Non-tractions?

PatrickG
01-19-2008, 10:32 PM
You mean Paul McCartney was in a band before Wings?


And, DW, if people don't get your poem, that's on them.

Geez. Wings broke up before I could speak.

Paradox
01-19-2008, 10:56 PM
StoneGold gets pedantic:

Although in fairness, proper writing should not use contractions.

Depends on what's meant by "proper" and who the audience is.

StoneGold
01-19-2008, 11:05 PM
Depends on what's meant by "proper" and who the audience is.

Eh, I was just using your getting all snooty to tell my own story. Believe me, nothing personal.

K'Nort
01-20-2008, 06:15 AM
Depends on what's meant by "proper" and who the audience is.

Formal writing.

My mother always gets on my case about contractions in anything but an email too. She was a very helpful editor when I was in grad school.

Matt Algren
01-20-2008, 03:41 PM
At least I'm not the youngest here
Finally, somebody for you to beat up!

And I just had to change all her contractions to... not contractions. There's no word for that, is there?We call them words.

One word for every note. Like this ...

Ben Morgan
01-20-2008, 05:33 PM
Finally, somebody for you to beat up!


Let me at em!

glue
01-20-2008, 05:54 PM
Wrong thread.

Ronald Bryan
01-20-2008, 06:49 PM
Is it the wrong thread, or are you the wrong poster?

Ben Morgan
01-20-2008, 06:58 PM
Wrong thread.
I thought there was something off about your post

Gilda Dent
01-20-2008, 08:39 PM
I've been advising my students to minimize the use of contractions in their formal papers, but so long as they punctuate them correctly, I'm not going go bleeding on their papers.

BoosterBronze
01-20-2008, 11:18 PM
I've been advising my students to minimize the use of contractions in their formal papers, but so long as they punctuate them correctly, I'm not going go bleeding on their papers.

Bleeding on their papers? Come now Gilda, you're not of that 'no red ink' crowd are you?

K'Nort
01-21-2008, 06:11 AM
The meanest comments I ever got in a paper were in hot pink.

I already hated pink.

Gingold
01-21-2008, 07:28 AM
There's nothing wrong with using contractions in formal writing. Avoiding them often makes writing seem stilted and awkward.

Winslow
01-21-2008, 07:45 AM
There's nothing wrong with using contractions in formal writing. Avoiding them often makes writing seem stilted and awkward.

I have been taught that "conversational speech" is fine for formal writing.

Matt Algren
01-21-2008, 07:46 AM
There's nothing wrong with using contractions in formal writing. Avoiding them often makes writing seem stilted and awkward.
"In all things, moderation."

K'Nort
01-21-2008, 07:47 AM
There's nothing wrong with using contractions in formal writing. Avoiding them often makes writing seem stilted and awkward.

I feel the same way about passive voice and ending sentences with some prepositions.

But it's useful to know that some teachers/editors/parents still insist on those things, and you're not going to win those fights.

Tadhg
01-21-2008, 07:47 AM
"In all things, moderation."

Except Scotch.

Gingold
01-21-2008, 07:47 AM
"In all things, moderation."

But not too much.

Ronald Bryan
01-21-2008, 03:07 PM
Or you can also rephrase the sentences to avoid the problem. If you have "it is" "is not" and several other words too often that can become contractions, it does feel stilted and awkward as Gingold said. Oftentimes, I would look for a different way to phrase the sentence to avoid the conflict in the first place.

BoosterBronze
01-21-2008, 05:40 PM
Or you can also rephrase the sentences to avoid the problem. If you have "it is" "is not" and several other words too often that can become contractions, it does feel stilted and awkward as Gingold said. Oftentimes, I would look for a different way to phrase the sentence to avoid the conflict in the first place.

So instead of

"People At School Think I Am Racist"

perhaps

"People at school think racism is something I promote."

Ronald Bryan
01-21-2008, 05:53 PM
So instead of

"People At School Think I Am Racist"

perhaps

"People at school think racism is something I promote."
The keywords being too often. Although in this instance it does work when factoring in the poem and the reactions of the other kids.

Plus, that is a cool title to use.

Paul McEnery
01-21-2008, 06:00 PM
I thought there was something off about your post

Now he'll never date you again.

Matt Algren
01-22-2008, 06:34 AM
So instead of

"People At School Think I Am Racist"

perhaps

"People at school think racism is something I promote."
I'd go with the Nightly News approach:

Racism in the classroom! Could your child be in danger?

Gilda Dent
01-22-2008, 09:03 AM
Bleeding on their papers? Come now Gilda, you're not of that 'no red ink' crowd are you?

No, I use red, or whatever color comes out of the pen cup when it's time to mark papers. I meant I'm not going to go crazy marking contractions as incorrect if they don't interfere with the narrative flow. As with split infinitives, ending a sentence with a preposition, beginning with a coordinating conjunction, use of passive voice, or first person singular pronouns, I'll ignore it if it isn't excessive to the point that it interferes with the message.

This is freshman basic composition, not a graduate thesis.

metr0man
01-28-2008, 02:08 PM
I guess so. Keep in mind I wrote this in class, the day the project was due.

WWJD

If Jesus were today
What would he do, what would he say?
I will tell you my friends, he would know that not all is well
And he would say, "Let's blow those Arabs straight to hell!"
The lack of morals would make his blood boil,
and he he would join the crusade, to take back the holy oil!
He would not stand for all these non Christians fools
HE would cleanse the polluted gene poll
What I tell you is completely true
If he were here today, Thats what Jesus would do.

The more I look at it the less I like it.

I think the problem is, it's not exaggerated enough. In fact, if it wasn't for the use of the words "holy oil", I would even think its serious. I've read far "worse" on the internet. Go to some uber-religious forums and see what i mean.

LungerTony
01-28-2008, 11:43 PM
Lolz. It does look serious. Without a tone to read it, or a face to start a slight smile at the end, it is hard to know its not serious.