New Exiles #1 Discussion Thread

[Brian Cronin]

Okay, normally, I do them - but I'll allow that Jack's take on the issue was fair enough, so I'll let this one stay up!

As for my thoughts on the issue, quickly enough - I thought that it was silly to see the FF be revisited AGAIN, and there was WAY too much continuity for a "brand new start," so I wouldn't really recommend the issue, but it was an improvement over Claremont's Exiles run so far, so if he could only trim down on the old plots a bit and concentrate on the NEW stuff, I think this could be a good comic.

This first issue, though - Not Recommended.

-Brian

[Jack]

Couldn't find one of these already in existence. Sorry if there was and I missed it.

We begin! With a splash page introducing the All New Exiles! Wait, no, that was the alternate reality series loosely based on the X-Men featuring reformed X-Men villains. This is just New Exiles. Sorry. This page is a little odd given what comes later, but I suppose it's just there to introduce the cast... which also happens during the rest of the book.

Anyway, the actual story begins on the Storm Ranch, 1953, where Susan Storm has spent her entire fortune on an experimental rocket. Continuing her streak of foolishness, she brought her kid brother along, but that's okay because it's Established Canon with capital letters and all. Anyway, instead of working out kinda okay it works out terribly and they all die, except for Sue who unconsciously protects herself from drowning with a forcefield. Yes, they died of drowning and not of cosmic radiation, meteor impacts, re-entry or crashing into the ocean.

Anyway: Namor! And a pretty page with lots of sea life. Namor looks black, but I'm assuming that's dramatic shading and not a deliberate change. Namor saves Sue, and then the next page I think skips ahead in time, but it's not particularly well done, since it features yet more meteors. It would probably be better done if the references weren't so very specific to American culture, but whatever. These meteors crash into the sea and cause massive tidal waves that destroy cities and cute mountain cabins and other stuff.

Oddly, when we return - for the first time - to the Crystal Palace, we're told that the story has gone forward half a century, so maybe there wasn't a skip ahead in time. Because I don't know for sure, but I don't think Eisenhower was the youngest American president when he came into office. But whatever. My point is just that the whole time thing is confusing, especially since no dates are ever mentioned, just referred to relative to events.

We get a nice image and even a nice idea, in that all the stars the Exiles can see when they look up at the night sky are actually universes. Also, Cat Pryde likes learning stuff and doesn't like people. Boo, people! Especially that mean Morph, who throws an American football at her head while she's trying to read. Morph is very happy and sunny and tries to get Cat to play a game with him. She agrees, and maybe they're flirting. Or maybe they aren't. Or maybe just Morph is. It's hard to tell.

A sinister shadow disturbingly suggests that he has dark, creepy plans for them. It's actually Sabertooth, but the way he's drawn really changes the context of his actually completely harmless dialogue. Or at least I hope it's harmless, because otherwise it would seem really out of place. Actually, they go out of their way to make Sabertooth seem really creepy throughout the issue, always lurking in shadows and pouncing on other people, but it just seems like a tired device to create some sense of tension where tension there ain't.

Anyway, Sabertooth has a page of very expository musings, including another spread of the team. The gist of his thoughts are that the Exiles need to be better than just staying alive, that people think he's dumb and that Betsy is invisible to the Palace's sensors. Also, he thinks a bit about Cat and the fact that she is oh so mysterious.

Morph and Cat are playing the most pointless game ever, on the American football field that Morph has apparently painstakingly created somewhere inside/outside/confusing!/whatever the Crystal Palace. I say pointless because Cat can phase, and Morph knows that, and he's not an idiot, but he still seems to think that she won't use her powers even as he turns himself into a giant with super-long arms. The pointlessness is somewhat abated when Sage shows up out of nowhere. The others comment on how creepy she is for doing so, which really seems rather redundant considering that she has gone crazy since Roma dumped all her memories into Sage's head. Do we need to be told that someone is creepy when they look at an innocent pasty formation of unstable molecules and see giant bugs and alien squid-plants?

Next comes the bit that makes not the sense in the slightest, since apparently (Shock! (Dammit, now I miss having S-Man in the book) Horror!) DIANA FOX is back, thanks to Roma. Or, that is to say, that the memory of Diana Fox has somehow avoided being utterly drowned in the immense influx of newer, more potent memories and has instead used them as a power source to give herself physical form. Or something. Because as little as it makes sense, when the hallucination of Diana slams herself into Sage, Sage falls over.

Sage picks herself up and tries to banish her myriad visions, lunging at Cat to get the ball and missing her entirely. Nonetheless, she gets up and tackles Cat, making her drop the ball. Now it's Sage's turn to run, and Cat teams up with Diana to...god, I can't even make myself finish typing this scene. Blah blah Sage gets a touchdown but loses her inner battle.

Now Sabertooth is thinking about the ridiculously named Mystiq. Why not just Mystic? Are we too stupid to get that he's a male Mystique unless there's that all-important Q? Well, maybe I am. I'm pretty stupid after all, since I'm not sure I've actually enjoyed an issue since Claremont took over, and yet I keep thinking it might get better. Sabertooth likes Mystiq, but apparently they're just too similar, especially since they both have the centegenarian-hots for Psylocke. Cut to her, and despite enjoying her flight over the sea cliffs of the ever versatile Crystal Palace she can't get over the fact that she has so many horrible memories of 616 Sabertooth and Mystique. Plus, Slaymaster, but he's not trying to sleep with her. At least I don't think he is.

Mystiq is also at the cliffs, and he made a picnic for Betsy. Aww. They bond over food and chess, and as Mystiq invites her to dance we learn that Sabertooth has been spying on them, and now thinks he needs to learn to dance. Not particularly confident in himself, this Creed fellow. But then maybe that's only right, as he thinks "Haveta" is a word.

Cue Rogue, who is also sneaking around and spying on people. She's not as good at it as Sabertooth, though, because he's at least heard of an inner monologue, whereas Ms. Raven is just speaking all her sinister and potentially treacherous thoughts for anyone to hear. Sabertooth sneaks up on her, still being very creepy, but as she turns to see who dares approach all she sees is a star, temporarily blinding her. Funny that, given that we'd already established that all the "stars" were actually universes. Also funny since Sabertooth teleported her away to a desert location, where the "stars" are small and distant, not close enough to appear as big as the one she saw did.

But such concerns are short lasted as Sabertooth calls everyone together. He has two surprises for them: first, a new mission; and second, new costumes!

Sabretooth has decided, see, that the Exiles need a new look to celebrate their new number one... I mean, umm, new beginning. This is odd for a number of reasons. I mean, Sabretooth insists that Mystiq needs a costume, but he himself just has jeans and a t-shirt. Which just goes to show that he totally has double standards. Personally I think that he just wants Mystiq to look stupid in front of Betsy, because it's clear that he doesn't feel good enough for her. This would also explain why her new costume shows even more skin. Plus it's odd that only three people have new costumes, since there are only three packages. Well, three and Morph, of course. So it's a new look, but not really.

Also, Sage, Cat and Morph are benched. Cat is happy, Morph is outraged and Sage is null, because we don't see her again. Oddly Morph insists that Sage get to go, because apparently she's completely vital for a mission's success. But Sabey doesn't trust Sage so Morph is there to keep her and Cat out of trouble.

Oh, and the mission is to go to the world that was almost destroyed by the meteors, because something even worse is apparently going to happen. The way Sabey puts it out doesn't really make it sound like a real Exiles mission, but more of a humanitarian expedition. But whatever.

Creepy false-drama-building Sabey returns, as he hides round a corner and then forces something onto Psylocke's arm. He explains that it's a mini-Tallus that will let the computer track her. Apparently he did it that way because it was more fun.

They teleport away. Morph complains that his current costume looks better than his new one, which we haven't seen yet. I really mean "we" there, because I don't know how Morph would have seen it either, unless Sabey just described it for him. We do get to see Cat's new costume... from a distance, and part of the top of Psylocke's. But not Mystiq's, even though he's on the mission team.

But before anything else can happen... DRAMA! Rogue gets hit by something, be it an explosion or another meteor, and Sabey screams his concern for her. Because, of course, it will be a shocking reveal when Rogue turns out to be invulnerable.

Finally, the best part of the book comes in the form of the soon-to-be-letter-page. At the top there's an oh so cute Mini Marvel picture of Sabey opening a letter with his claws and fierce snarl, and at the bottom there's the cover preview for the next issue with what looks to be the son of Namor and Sue Storm. Which is cool.

[jcp011c]

I'm going to have to apologize to Psylocke....to tell her that I can't follow her down this path. I'll catch up with her with she returns to 616 universe.

This sounds....just painful.

[bfrank]

I'm going to have to apologize to Psylocke....to tell her that I can't follow her down this path. I'll catch up with her with she returns to 616 universe.




Me too...:(

[Beast]

I thought that it was silly to see the FF be revisited AGAIN
It's not an FF issue. The FF die 50+ years ago during the meteor strike, other than Sue.

[Brian Cronin]

It's not an FF issue. The FF die 50+ years ago during the meteor strike, other than Sue.

I didn't say it was an FF issue, did I? I said the FF was "revisited AGAIN!"

Which is true.

This is the third story arc that Claremont has done on Exiles, and EACH ONE has involved the Fantastic Four in some capacity.

That's just plain silly.

It doesn't mean the book is bad or anything, but it is is still silly.

-Brian

[Beast]

Having one or two members of the traditional FF show up in a storyarc that doesn't feature 'The Fantastic Four' does not count as 'Revisiting the FF'. Especially since the previous two storyarcs had little or nothing to do with the Fantastic Four in it's self. I guess everytime Storm shows up in Black Panther, it's 'Revisiting the X-Men'. Or when Dani Moonstar and Beast showed up in Avengers: The Initative it was 'Revisiting the X-Men'.

[Novaya Havoc]

This. Panel. Made. My. Year.

LMFAOMFAOLOL!EJKROFTL!!!

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/havoc1/Blog/saiksysage.jpg

The whole Sage/Demons/Football bit was so. effing. funny.

[Brian Cronin]

Having one or two members of the traditional FF show up in a storyarc that doesn't feature 'The Fantastic Four' does not count as 'Revisiting the FF'.

Yep, it does.

-Brain

[Pach!]

Having one or two members of the traditional FF show up in a storyarc that doesn't feature 'The Fantastic Four' does not count as 'Revisiting the FF'. Especially since the previous two storyarcs had little or nothing to do with the Fantastic Four in it's self. I guess everytime Storm shows up in Black Panther, it's 'Revisiting the X-Men'. Or when Dani Moonstar and Beast showed up in Avengers: The Initative it was 'Revisiting the X-Men'.

Visiting the X-men, because Dani Moonstar and Beast don't show up every arc.

[Exiled]

I'm going to have to apologize to Psylocke....to tell her that I can't follow her down this path. I'll catch up with her with she returns to 616 universe.

This sounds....just painful.

The issue was very good IMO and I recomend you read it.

[jester1436]

If a story revisits the origin of the Fantastic Four does that mean it's not revisiting the origin of the Fantastic Four if most of them die?

It's like the if a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, did a tree fall?

What?

[Pach!]

Yep, it does.

-Brain

What are we doing tonight?

-Pinky

[Brett P]

I'm going to have to apologize to Psylocke....to tell her that I can't follow her down this path. I'll catch up with her with she returns to 616 universe.


Same. I'll miss Morph too.

This. Panel. Made. My. Year.

LMFAOMFAOLOL!EJKROFTL!!!

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/havoc1/Blog/saiksysage.jpg

The whole Sage/Demons/Football bit was so. effing. funny.

So glad I stayed clear.

[metalgorgomon]

I like this issue..
Sure it does seems a lot of continuity for a new book. But we all know beforehand that this book is indeed a continuitiy from the 'old' Exiles.

I'm a bit bugged as well the FF related story is revisited for the background for the arc, but i think (and hope) that it's not the main story for this arc.

Sabes monologue serves its purpose for introducing the new team. I know that Rogue, Cat and Mystiq are new to Exiles, but they are way too mysterious (not only Cat) for us. I would like to know their origin/past as soon as possible.

Not too sure bout Sage though.. But it's good to see she's vulnerable and not as confident as before..

Love Psylocke's new outfit.. and the armband as well. Guess wearing it has its own purpose. But I think I'm going to miss the 'ninja thong bikini' for a while.

Morph's new outfit looks like Star Trek's uniform.. I think it's kindda cute. But hey.. he's Morph. He can always change to whatever costume he likes (including his previous one)..

Can't wait for issue #2..... and G(N)ambit!!!

[DubipR]

Having one or two members of the traditional FF show up in a storyarc that doesn't feature 'The Fantastic Four' does not count as 'Revisiting the FF'. Especially since the previous two storyarcs had little or nothing to do with the Fantastic Four in it's self. I guess everytime Storm shows up in Black Panther, it's 'Revisiting the X-Men'. Or when Dani Moonstar and Beast showed up in Avengers: The Initative it was 'Revisiting the X-Men'.

Are you reading the same issue as we all were? Because I clearly see Reed, Ben, Sue and Johnny in this book. Its the third time Claremont's revisited the FF during his Exiles run. He's acknowledging its them and moving on. But he's yet revisiting the Four yet again. Its plain as day. Granted he can't come up with another idea to start a run with but he's showing them again.

[Beast]

Are you reading the same issue as we all were? Because I clearly see Reed, Ben, Sue and Johnny in this book. Its the third time Claremont's revisited the FF during his Exiles run. He's acknowledging its them and moving on. But he's yet revisiting the Four yet again. Its plain as day. Granted he can't come up with another idea to start a run with but he's showing them again.
They show up in a 4-Page Prologue and die, 50+ years before the current events of the story.

[Pach!]

They show up in a 4-Page Prologue and die, 50+ years before the current events of the story.

Clearly people do not agree with your idea of "revisiting". Everyone that read the issue knows what happens

[CmX]

The only thing I liked about this issue was Psylocke's new outfit.

I dont' care at all for Cat she's a little bitch and the whole football scene with Sage was a complete and total WTF moment and was such a chore to read.

And if he even dare thinks he's going to have Psylocke and Creed have a romantic relationship I'm going to piss myself.

He seriously needs to concentrate a little harder on his plots cause they just aren't doing it.

I pray to God Psylocke is a Skrull eventually or she's taken away soon all she's doing in this title is rotting away.

[Bingo!]

Hurray!

A fresh start! The Exiles definitely needed it. :D I was expecting some smooth writing to give characters a better sense of direction and sense of self. What I got was a mixed bag:

Psylocke is a trained ninja assassin. Sure, she died unceremoniously, then mysteriously came back to life, but there's a confident ninja in there who used to love fighting! I do like seeing remnenants of the old, happy Betsy while she's flying around, though.

Sage received a memory dump from Roma and now she's dealing by playing football. Very strange. :confused:

Morph is thankfully the same. What of his Proteus self?

On a whole, this didn't feel like this was a strong start. Like Jack stated before, there are confusing transitions that I feel weakened the story. Exiles really needs some strong editting if its characters to shake the poor treatment they received in Die by the Sword.

[metalgorgomon]

I understand that some people are annoyed with the appearance of the FF in this arc (including myself. Damn it's 3 consecutive arcs!).
But I also think that the FF appear only as the prologue of the story.Probably we'll se more of the Athlantean/Namor/G(N)ambit in future issues of the story.
Had been given the options though, i rather not seeing another FF related story in the next 2-3 years of New Exiles (except Valeria Von Doom :) ).

The issue itself is good. I like it slightly better than Exiles #100. I think I'm gonna love this version of Rogue (but still hard to compete with Carey's).

IGN rated it 7.4, My rate is about 7,3 - 7,8 or simply B.
Not outstanding but good.
Recommended for Claremont Fans
Not Recommended for the ones who dislike his current work
New Readers might want to check it though..

[Brian Cronin]

I understand that some people are annoyed with the appearance of the FF in this arc (including myself. Damn it's 3 consecutive arcs!).

Yeah, exactly - annoyed. Not "he used the FF again, this comic book is thereby awful!"

So the idea of trying to argue the point is just so silly.

-Brian

[Novaya Havoc]

Honestly, I know we're subject to hyperbole around here (I'm one of the worst offenders!) and even I won't automatically give this issue one of my treasured "For CC's Eyes Only" grades of F- out of tribute to that.

But, simply put: New Exiles #1 was an incoherent mess.

What past continuity must you know to access this one issue of New Exiles?
1. Roma's Death (Die by the Sword)
2. Diana Fox (New Excalibur)

Already it's a strike against fresh.

How many past stories can we reference?
1. Diana Fox (New Excalibur)
2. Roma's Death (Die by the Sword)
3. 616 Mystique
4. 616 Sabretooth
5. Slaymaster (New Mutants)
6. Sabretooth/Mystiq (Exiles)

See my point? Not one character is properly established, and the overall reason for the team is not established. The sad part is that it takes so many narration boxes and so many character bubbles to get to this point!

And how many sub-plots can we bring up already?
1. Cat does not like Sage.
2. Cat does not want friends.
3. Sage's "Psychic Curse."
4. Sabretooth has the hots for Psylocke.
5. Mystiq has the hots for Psylocke.
6. Morph has resentment for Sabretooth.

ALL IN ONE ISSUE JESUS.

The FIRST issue.

New Exiles exemplifies that the title is geared exclusively to the followers of CC's work, and if I hadn't been following New Excalibur/DBtS because of Dazzler, this thing would be outright impossible to understand.

Never mind the fact I do understand the backstory, Claremont attempts to fill the holes by beseiging my eyes with a zillion narration boxes and thought bubbles to fill in the casual reader. I wanted to give up by Sabretooth's ginormous monologue where he's breaking down each teammate.

WHY ARE THEY HERE.
WHAT IS IT THEY DO?

These are the central points to get across in a first issue. Instead New Exiles kills itself in the outset by trying to link together three very separate stories -- New Excalibur/Exiles/Die by the Sword mini -- from the get-go.

Claremont's slavish obsession with forcing continuity undercuts his ability to tell a story.

Total trainwreck. And I could be so much meaner about it, from the million times a character called another "girl," to Rogue having that joyous monologue "I was teleported away from the headquarters!" to the silly romance set-ups, to the INCREDIBLY AWFUL Sage Fantasy Football sequence.

But I'll stick to the fundamental problems I outlined above.

GRADE: D-

PS: I adore that Psylocke carries a tallus on her bicept. You know how Blink would talk/listen to the tallus on her wrist? Now every time Betsy listens to hers, she's going to be drawn sniffing her pit. She's doing the Beyonce!

PPS: OMG YOU CAN WRITE IN LETTERS TO YOUR EXILE OF CHOICE AND THEY'LL ANSWER?!
Oh that is my DREAM. I am writing like, 1,000 letters to Sage right now! I hope they print Sage's reply to my messages! LOLOLOL!

[metalgorgomon]

The only thing I liked about this issue was Psylocke's new outfit.

I dont' care at all for Cat she's a little bitch and the whole football scene with Sage was a complete and total WTF moment and was such a chore to read.

And if he even dare thinks he's going to have Psylocke and Creed have a romantic relationship I'm going to piss myself.

He seriously needs to concentrate a little harder on his plots cause they just aren't doing it.

I pray to God Psylocke is a Skrull eventually or she's taken away soon all she's doing in this title is rotting away.

I love her new outfit too.. Nice colour scheme and just love the armband.

Feel the same way bout Cat. Think she's a little bitch too LOL. I also dont' like the Sage scene but i think she needs it.

On the contrary, i think i might like Psylocke and Creed together. If someone should be paired with Betsy.. Someone as tough as Creed will do.

But i agree with you.. miss Betsy in 616 where all the good things happened for the X-Men.

Then again.. Heroes (TV Series) Writer is gonna write Ultimate X-Men after Kirkman leaves. And he loves Psylocke in armor (Australia days).. But that's for another discussion...

[bfrank]

I didn't say it was an FF issue, did I? I said the FF was "revisited AGAIN!"

Which is true.

This is the third story arc that Claremont has done on Exiles, and EACH ONE has involved the Fantastic Four in some capacity.

That's just plain silly.

It doesn't mean the book is bad or anything, but it is is still silly.

-Brian

Correct....Overkill is overkill.....

[Hi-Fi]

I actually enjoyed this issue.

Outside the excessive use of recordatories, Chris generated on me enough interest in the characters to come back. Especially when it comes to Sabretooth, Psylocke, Mystiq and Rogue. I liked these characters interactions a lot. Betsy mentioning Brian was a nice touch and I'm eager to see Creed's affection for her growing. Rogue is a total wild card. Exactly how I like her.

Hating the Sage subplot, though. Seriously, she's so far gone from her original character that I just can't enjoy her anymore. Bringing Diana Fox (ugh) back was not a good decision at all, and her currently status reminds me of 616 Rogue's, but definitely not as interesting. Sage needs a reboot and she needs it fast.

She's uber lame.

[Liberty Belle Fan]

This was my first Exiles book ever. I decided to pick it up since it was being restarted at #1 and I liked the idea of visiting alternate realities much like the old sci-fi show Sliders, and what DC is mimicking with the multiverse.

However, there was a lot of info to absorb that wouldn't make too much sense if I didn't have all the comic sites, wikis, and message boards to garner information from to get me up to speed.

I know there's been a lot of Claremont bashing, but I'd rather too much info be put on paper than not enough. One one hand you have Claremont writing a novel and painfully sticking to continuity with this book, but you have other "older" writers such as Frank Miller putting about two lines of dialogue per page yelling about the GD Batman.

I was happy to be able to pick up the variant cover for the same price as the original. For some reason, the LCS I frequent (for two more weeks thanks to a move) likes to order a single copy of variants and charge an arm and a leg for any of them. I mentioned that the variant was the same price as the regular cover and I was told that the covers were a 50/50 spread which completely confused me since they really don't appear to fit together.

I will stick it out with this series and see where it goes. I was vaguely interested in Exiles since it featured Spidey 2099 that I loved reading when I was younger. I'm sad to see he's not featured in this new series, but I'm pleased to see the creative team plans on putting out 16 issues this year.

Let's hope for the best!

[Christopher O]

Sage needs Grant Morrison again OR Warren Ellis!

REBOOT REBOOT 010100011100101001010101010101010010101101

[Nachturne]

This was my first Exiles book ever. I decided to pick it up since it was being restarted at #1 and I liked the idea of visiting alternate realities much like the old sci-fi show Sliders, and what DC is mimicking with the multiverse.

However, there was a lot of info to absorb that wouldn't make too much sense if I didn't have all the comic sites, wikis, and message boards to garner information from to get me up to speed.

I know there's been a lot of Claremont bashing, but I'd rather too much info be put on paper than not enough. One one hand you have Claremont writing a novel and painfully sticking to continuity with this book, but you have other "older" writers such as Frank Miller putting about two lines of dialogue per page yelling about the GD Batman.

I was happy to be able to pick up the variant cover for the same price as the original. For some reason, the LCS I frequent (for two more weeks thanks to a move) likes to order a single copy of variants and charge an arm and a leg for any of them. I mentioned that the variant was the same price as the regular cover and I was told that the covers were a 50/50 spread which completely confused me since they really don't appear to fit together.

I will stick it out with this series and see where it goes. I was vaguely interested in Exiles since it featured Spidey 2099 that I loved reading when I was younger. I'm sad to see he's not featured in this new series, but I'm pleased to see the creative team plans on putting out 16 issues this year.

Let's hope for the best!

Do yourself a favor and pick up the first trade of the original series. Not to say you shouldn't read this one if you like it, but if you are into the reality hopping "sliders" stuff, the original Exiles is where its at. And there's at least 50 issues that are solid gold and already available to read ;).

[cgar]

PPS: OMG YOU CAN WRITE IN LETTERS TO YOUR EXILE OF CHOICE AND THEY'LL ANSWER?!
Oh that is my DREAM. I am writing like, 1,000 letters to Sage right now! I hope they print Sage's reply to my messages! LOLOLOL!


I agreed 100% with everything you said. and some should ask Betsy in the letter section

How does it feel to be stuck in a place where anything you do doesnt matter when you get back to 616? And how does it feel missing the biggest crossover that i so wanted you to be in? yah sorry alittle resentment.

She got shafted. But i like her new costume.

She better not like either Mystic or Sabretooth. That would be ridiculous

[CmX]

She better not like either Mystic or Sabretooth. That would be ridiculous

I would vomit all over the walls if this is the case. And sadly with CC hinting at it you know it's bound to happen. Ugh

[d newton]

This first issue, though - Not Recommended.
Is there a reason why you end each issue you've reviewed with "Not Recommended"? :confused:

[Pach!]

Is there a reason why you end each issue you've reviewed with "Not Recommended"? :confused:

Because he does not recommend readers to purchase the issue.

[Beast]

Hating the Sage subplot, though. Seriously, she's so far gone from her original character that I just can't enjoy her anymore. Bringing Diana Fox (ugh) back was not a good decision at all, and her currently status reminds me of 616 Rogue's, but definitely not as interesting. Sage needs a reboot and she needs it fast.

She's uber lame.
Thankfully since she gets a new look in #5, so hopefully all the effects of NEX will be dealt with.

[Blade X]

I have to wonder if all of the people complaining about CC using the X-Men again (for the 3rd time), complained this much when the previous series kept reusing the X-Men.

I also find it ironic that the people who were complaining about CC ignoring continuity in the previous series are now complaining about CC acknowledging continuity in the first issue of this new series.

[Callisto]

LOVING BETSYS NEW UNIFORM >> http://wizarduniverse.com/_images_/007124/psylockeREV_jpeg.jpg


BUT I DESPISED THIS ISSUE! HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DEVOTE AN ENTIRE ISSUE OF THE TEAM PRETTY MUCH LOUNGING AROUND DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! a first issue is suppose to grab readers and i was NOT AT ALL GRABBED IN ANY FORM! awful! the only good thing i liked was seeing rogue and seeing betsys new costume other then that AWFUL!!

[jester1436]

I have to wonder if all of the people complaining about CC using the X-Men again (for the 3rd time), complained this much when the previous series kept reusing the X-Men.

I also find it ironic that the people who were complaining about CC ignoring continuity in the previous series are now complaining about CC acknowledging continuity in the first issue of this new series.

People are complaining about the Fantastic Four, not the X-Men.

And the X-Men franchise spawned Exiles. A majority of the characters featured in the title were mutants, with the later issues bringing in more general Marvel U characters - like Spider-Man 2099 and Power Princess - who Claremont wrote off. There was never a Fantastic Four member active in the Exiles and the Fantastic Four was never a relevant thread for the series. If you can't see that there's a vast difference between an X-franchise title using X-themes and an X-franchise title using FF themes, then there's an issue there.

And there's absolutely no irony about Claremont's usage of continuity, unless you're Alanis Morissette and think a black fly in your chardonnay is ironic. People who complained about the lack of continuity complained about Claremont referencing outside his own work. They wanted Nocturne and Thunderbird's history recognized, not Nocturne calling herself Stroke Girl. "New Exiles" was erroneously marketed as a fresh start with a new number one, but familiarity with Claremont's previous work in "New Excalibur" and "Die By The Sword" is necessary to fully understand what's going on with Sage. It's not some easy pick up point - it's Claremont continuing to recognize his own continuity mess in a supposedly "all new" title. There's nothing "new" about "New Exiles."

[CmX]

LOVING BETSYS NEW UNIFORM >> http://wizarduniverse.com/_images_/007124/psylockeREV_jpeg.jpg


BUT I DESPISED THIS ISSUE! HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DEVOTE AN ENTIRE ISSUE OF THE TEAM PRETTY MUCH LOUNGING AROUND DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! a first issue is suppose to grab readers and i was NOT AT ALL GRABBED IN ANY FORM! awful! the only good thing i liked was seeing rogue and seeing betsys new costume other then that AWFUL!!

I totally agree this issue was not explosive or anything. It's supposed to keep the readers wanting more and after that absolutely uber ridiculous football scene that i still can't get over I can't imagine a whole lot of people sticking around. Not to menion the "cliffhanger" at the end really isn't like... a I need to come back next month feel to it.

I hate to admit it but I kinda like this Rogue I'm curious what she's about she even used a word in Japanese. But I hate Cat, hate Sage, hate his Morph hate that he's hinting at a possible Creed/Betsy relationship and Mystiq is so boring to read and look at.

[DeadXMan]

well the first issue of exiles didn't do anything
maybe it was a homage?

[metalgorgomon]

I hate to admit it but I kinda like this Rogue I'm curious what she's about she even used a word in Japanese.

I like this 'Posh' Rouge too. Thanks for clearing up for Rouge's "BAKA".. Didn't notice that she's swearing in Japanese.. Hope she sticks around a bit..

[worstblogever]

I have to wonder if all of the people complaining about CC using the X-Men again (for the 3rd time), complained this much when the previous series kept reusing the X-Men.

I also find it ironic that the people who were complaining about CC ignoring continuity in the previous series are now complaining about CC acknowledging continuity in the first issue of this new series.

I think the issue is that Claremont only references the continuity HE has personally written in this issue, and no one else's. The only exception to that, is that 616 Sabretooth attacked 616 Psylocke while being written by Scott Lobdell. But the other continuity points? All his own. The issue with that, is that he can't play outside his own sandbox.

And he still misses the continuity of characters... Sabertooth from AoA is pining away over Psylocke already... why? Other than she's got a great *ss, and beat him up, I mean. He actually contemplated taking a ballroom dancing class to impress her while in the Crystal Palace.

Think about that for a minute. Sabertooth-295, grizzled war vet unconfortable showing signs of affection for anyone, except maybe Blink... is going to go on Dancing With the Stars or something to win the heart of a proper British lady. That's even more ludicrous than him surfing in Exiles #100.

Oh yeah, but instead, he slaps the Tallus as a means to track/control Psylocke in the latest "CC slavery/bondage S&M imagery" moment. There has to be at least one per issue. I'll be surprised the next time I can get through a Claremont story without finding at least one.

And that's just the Sabretooth/Psylocke angle. He can't illustrate character bonding without forcing the use of games for them to play... Mystiq/Betsy chess? Cat Pryde running Sage and Morph all over the gridiron? I groaned the minute I saw a football fly into the shot. Which... 2 person football? Other than a game a catch... that's about the dumbest way to pass time ever. Just play tag, or a game of grab*ss while you're at it.

Unless you like exposition, characters lost in their own internal monologues without any direction or action, this book wasn't for you. Sabretooth just decided they needed to go save a universe because otherwise they'd have been trapped and crushed by all the interal dialogue boxes they kept making that were quickly filling up the Crystal Palace. So... no, not recommended seems a fair assessment.

[skylight]

i love Betsy's new costume. that should be her costume from now on.

[Pro]

The issue with that, is that he can't play outside his own sandbox.

That is Claremont's main problem yea, when there were no other x-books and he was the only writer he did well. When he has to share things go wrong and he becomes like a bad juggler, trying to keep all the balls in the air and missing most of them.

Claremont would be better off writing his own creator owned self contained comic book.

It wouldn't help with some of his dialogue though .. sigh.

"Is he flirting with me?"

Didn't buy it, the art is pretty good but if this issue was intended to draw new readers into the fold it failed.

You want to start a new Exiles series? Place them deadsmack in the action, then use flashbacks to flesh out the details while you keep the focus on the current action and answer questions as the story progresses. There was nothing about this issue that made me curious about what was going on because basically nothing was going on.

[Brian Cronin]

Just to make it clear right up front, we're not going to have any of this "questioning other posters" silliness.

If you see a point you want to argue, argue it.

So no questioning the other poster's motivations - just argue their points.

-Brian

[Brian Cronin]

Is there a reason why you end each issue you've reviewed with "Not Recommended"? :confused:

Not each issue - just the ones I don't recommend folks pick up.

-Brian

[xmanson]

well the first issue of exiles didn't do anything
maybe it was a homage?

Yep... the first issue of the original series was exposition from beggining to end, very boring.

I give this issue a B-. Don't give a crap about sage anymore, but the rest was very interestin. This Rogue is a nice contrast to 616, specially in her earlier (she's a lot tamer now).

[DeadXMan]

really diden't care for the football game

but soild nontheless.

let's see what sue's and namor's Son got

[soulkiller]

And what does "Baka" mean in Japanese?

[DeadXMan]

And what does "Baka" mean in Japanese?

It means foolish, but it used for idiot and stupid as well

FYI
during WW II maned Japaneses rockets were nicked named Baka bombs

[Jack]

I like Betsy's new costume. My problem was that it wasn't actually in the issue. The only reason that I know that I like it is because there was a link in this thread to show me. Why decide that we need new costumes for a brand-new number one and then fail to actually show them to us? That way we don't get new costumes for a new start, we get new costumes for a new middle. Especially when there were two specific spreads showing the team as they used to dress.

And why bother having Sabertooth be drawn so sinister throughout the issue when his dialogue completely negates that effect? I don't know who's fault that was, but it just didn't add up right. Cuddly Lovesick Sabey in the text vs Creepy Lurking Sabertooth in the art.

The timeline is confusing too, which really put me off. I shouldn't have to research Casey Stengel to find out when a scene takes place. That scene also shouldn't be called the beginning if the ACTUAL beginning takes place a decade earlier. Of course the timeline really doesn't work because Claremont didn't do his own research properly, since the youngest president to hold office was Theodore Roosevelt...

Somehow, though, I always think there's enough potential there to make me keep reading the next issue. Certainly I can hope that Son of Namor is a cool character, and that the actual premise of the mission will turn out to be interesting.

EDIT - the "Baka" thing made me groan, because to me inserting it in the middle of English only has negative implications. It just reminds me of baaaaaaaad fanfiction.

[DeadXMan]

why Not this Rouge has spent a lot of time in Japan, and given how the English duologue history, why wouldn't the region she been in rub off on her?

[KJ_81]

I was happy to be able to pick up the variant cover for the same price as the original. For some reason, the LCS I frequent (for two more weeks thanks to a move) likes to order a single copy of variants and charge an arm and a leg for any of them. I mentioned that the variant was the same price as the regular cover and I was told that the covers were a 50/50 spread which completely confused me since they really don't appear to fit together.


What he meant was that the issue had 2 regular covers, each were made in the same amount as each other. What usually happens is that people who have pull-lists request the nicer one, and the crappier cover gets put out on shelf. So, to you it looked like a variant, because there may have been one of that cover to 20 of the other on the shelf. It's not actually rarer, and they don't connect in any way.

[streator]

i just saw the cover logo over at uncannyxmen.net and while it's not as bad as new excalibur's was it is still pretty crappy looking.

[mimic_616]

I liked the first issue, sure it wasn't the best Exiles issue but it was solid and kept me turning the pages. I liked the interaction between Morph and Cat, hopefully Morph will finally hook up with a team mate, the guy deserves it. Also is it just me or is CC writing getting better compared to his first exiles arc?

[soulkiller]

Thanks DeadXman!

Btw, how do we know that this Rogue spent time in Japan? I've only just started buying Exiles...

[Shaid O Gray]

Say, is this Rogue's japanese connection the reason she talks like she does? Not the 'baka' thing, but the style of speech. I mean I don't mind the lack of southern accent (usually overdone anyway) but these were more Sage's speech patterns.

"FOOL! Did you REALLY think you could approach me unawares??"

That actually almost sounds like Dr Doom or something.

I just hope this won't turn out to be a 'it's really someone else's mind running Rogue's body' thing. Kinda tired of that.

[soulkiller]

Say, is this Rogue's japanese connection the reason she talks like she does? Not the 'baka' thing, but the style of speech. I mean I don't mind the lack of southern accent (usually overdone anyway) but these were more Sage's speech patterns.

"FOOL! Did you REALLY think you could approach me unawares??"

That actually almost sounds like Dr Doom or something.


LOL Yeah, her speech patterns do sound really off to me, I just thought CC was having another 'off' day... But if she's supposed to have spent a lot of time in Japan or something, that would explain the way she speaks. I guess...?

...I literally laughed when she said that... "FOOL! Did you REALLY think you could approach me unawares??"

[Stephane Garrelie]

I enjoyed this first New Exiles issue a lot.:)
CC's Exiles run had a very good start too, but after his third issue it became as decompressed as a Bendis* book . Which is not what i want reading Claremont. With chance, that won't happen again.
So I really enjoyed New Exiles #1, and i hope that all the futur issues will be full of great stories and will keep the promises of this excellent start.
i think i will enjoy this book.:)

*A talented writer, though most of the time not of my taste.

[Josef F.]

I bbought it today,
It was bare HILARE.

Sage should be fixed.
Fixed quickly.
If she's gonna be a jamie braddock nutcase.
Make her a jamie braddock nutcase.
And if she's not, then dont.
Just do whatever it is, and do it quickly
don't break sage.

Cat is a prissy bitch
I don't like rogue's hair.
Morph was morph, but not as fun.
Psylocke was alright.
I like the lack of thong.
Mystiq, I quite like.
More of him maybe.
And wtf with megacreepy sabertooth.

And i wish claremont would use things other than random side panels to tell the story.
I vaguely accepted it on Excalbur.
Stop it.

[Daithi]

Say, is this Rogue's japanese connection the reason she talks like she does? Not the 'baka' thing, but the style of speech. I mean I don't mind the lack of southern accent (usually overdone anyway) but these were more Sage's speech patterns.

"FOOL! Did you REALLY think you could approach me unawares??"

To be honest I find his characters all start to sound similar to previous characters he has wrote.

[Shaid O Gray]

LOL Yeah, her speech patterns do sound really off to me, I just thought CC was having another 'off' day... But if she's supposed to have spent a lot of time in Japan or something, that would explain the way she speaks. I guess...?

I suppose, hehe. I guess CC thinks all japanese people speak like 60's villains? Maybe this Rogue was raised by Shingen!

...I literally laughed when she said that... "FOOL! Did you REALLY think you could approach me unawares??"

I know! Almost did a spit-take!

I don't like rogue's hair.

I hear ya! It's hideous!

Do love the thigh highs though. :p Although I gotta question the wisdom of going into battle in a tight party dress. Then again Silvestri used to put her in a tight skirt too (right before Fall of the Mutants I think) , so...

To be honest I find his characters all start to sound similar to previous characters he has wrote.

Yeah I guess. And his prose is getting kinda purple again... Come on Chris, take it down a notch.

[soulkiller]

Do love the thigh highs though. :p Although I gotta question the wisdom of going into battle in a tight party dress.

What? You don't think that's practical? She's a rich snob who's supposed to look like a supermodel and speaks like she's in a bad Japanese movie! If it were live action, her lips would be going a mile a minute to say two words! :rolleyes: I kid... :p


Hey, maybe *that's* why she fell off the stupid cliff!

http://bp1.blogger.com/_qZTo96fnp8k/R45MFEOdERI/AAAAAAAAAQI/xLWnnaUF3ng/s400/3.jpg

[Shaid O Gray]

What? You don't think that's practical? She's a rich snob who's supposed to look like a supermodel and speaks like she's in a bad Japanese movie! If it were live action, her lips would be going a mile a minute to say two words! :rolleyes: I kid... :p


Hey, maybe *that's* why she fell off the stupid cliff!

http://bp1.blogger.com/_qZTo96fnp8k/R45MFEOdERI/AAAAAAAAAQI/xLWnnaUF3ng/s400/3.jpg

LOL! Yeah, soon it'll take her 3 panels just to say 'Quick! We must run!'

Matter of fact in this page she probably fell (instead of just flying away)because she's busy mumbling 'Oh no! For I am falling!!'.

Ahh, we're evil...

BTW, was it ever explained why Morph asked her to join, and what her reasons for joining were?

Ya know....other than 'cuz it said so in the script' :rolleyes:

[MuhollandDriver]

i have never read Exiles in my life. This issue was my first.

i will not be reading it regularly. it was meh. Claremont is Claremont! i love his old X-Men work. i see he is still quite big on exposition "Sage is blah blah blah blah blag! The Exiles are blah blo bleh bloo! Their job is to mee mo mah maymay!" At least he has cut down on the thought bubbles. i remember those days!....

"Oh no! The man, who has superhuman strength and mid-level telekinesis is going to attack me! i had better use my triple beamy photon blast that needs recharging with solid energy matter."

We have thoughts like that all the time...no? Come on now...

[DeadXMan]

Thanks DeadXman!

Btw, how do we know that this Rogue spent time in Japan? I've only just started buying Exiles...

in issue 99 of the old series morph saves her from the Royal avengers in new Tokyo.

also in the 616 a young rogue spent time in japan to do a hist with sunfire and another mutant (i can't remember her name) that effects people memories.
this is spotty at best cause i never read rogue's ongoing fully. but I think the was a bust and she made sun fire and Anna forget there time together

from that two possibilities present themselves on her home world.

1. the job was a success and stayed on with sunfire's clan
2. Instead of the western hemisphere led by great Brittan then USA being dominate this earth Eastern hemisphere led by Japan is.

[Blade X]

People are complaining about the Fantastic Four, not the X-Men.

And the X-Men franchise spawned Exiles. A majority of the characters featured in the title were mutants, with the later issues bringing in more general Marvel U characters - like Spider-Man 2099 and Power Princess - who Claremont wrote off. There was never a Fantastic Four member active in the Exiles and the Fantastic Four was never a relevant thread for the series. If you can't see that there's a vast difference between an X-franchise title using X-themes and an X-franchise title using FF themes, then there's an issue there.

And there's absolutely no irony about Claremont's usage of continuity, unless you're Alanis Morissette and think a black fly in your chardonnay is ironic. People who complained about the lack of continuity complained about Claremont referencing outside his own work. They wanted Nocturne and Thunderbird's history recognized, not Nocturne calling herself Stroke Girl. "New Exiles" was erroneously marketed as a fresh start with a new number one, but familiarity with Claremont's previous work in "New Excalibur" and "Die By The Sword" is necessary to fully understand what's going on with Sage. It's not some easy pick up point - it's Claremont continuing to recognize his own continuity mess in a supposedly "all new" title. There's nothing "new" about "New Exiles."

1. Yes I know that the EXILES are a spin off from the X-books. Hell, I have often pointed out this fact to those fans complaining about the current team being entirely made up of X-characters.

2. You do realize that the reason why CC wrote Spidey 2099 and Power Princess out of the series was because the editors told him he could not use those characters.

3. Again, I find it hypocritical that you and other fans are complaining about CC using FF characters and FF themes in EXILES because EXILES is an X-franchise spin off book, but you didn't complain when the book had used other non X-characters and themes before.

4. It's virtually impossible for CC to address anything going on with Sage without having to reference past continuity. It is NOT necessary for a reader to be familiar with CC's recent past story's in order to understand what is going on in NEW EXILES.

[jester1436]

1. Yes I know that the EXILES are a spin off from the X-books. Hell, I have often pointed out this fact to those fans complaining about the current team being entirely made up of X-characters.


But fans aren't complaining about the group being made entirely of X-characters, they're complaining about Claremont's over use of his own pet characters, in so far as dragging Sage and Psylocke into an alternate reality book and creating new versions of Shadowcat and Rogue that don't really seem all that "new." Additionally, the book had grown to incorporate non-mutant heroes, and it's a legitimate criticism that this so-called "reboot" is a step backwards.


2. You do realize that the reason why CC wrote Spidey 2099 and Power Princess out of the series was because the editors told him he could not use those characters.


So what? That reflects on editors views of his ability to write outside characters, and considering how poorly Spidey 2099 was written under Claremont, it was a mercy from the editor for both the character and his fans.



3. Again, I find it hypocritical that you and other fans are complaining about CC using FF characters and FF themes in EXILES because EXILES is an X-franchise spin off book, but you didn't complain when the book had used other non X-characters and themes before.


This isn't a complaint about using too many outside themes. It's a complaint about using the SAME outside themes. It's Claremont using the Fantastic Four as a crutch to propel his Exiles stories. And when outside themes are brought into the book, they're somehow made relevant to the group. Maybe if Claremont brought in one of his own Fantastic Four related creations as an actual Exile, the constant over use of the group wouldn't be an issue, but it gets damn boring for readers to see yet another story spin off the back end of the FF. If you really can't see the difference, then you're flying blind in your defense of Claremont. I mean honestly, I could see were you're coming from if people hadn't complained and complained with one FF story, but this is different. This is the repeated use of themes that have no obvious connection to the title without a major character to root those themes for readers.


4. It's virtually impossible for CC to address anything going on with Sage without having to reference past continuity. It is NOT necessary for a reader to be familiar with CC's recent past story's in order to understand what is going on in NEW EXILES.

Guess what? Sage's character trauma doesn't need to be a center piece to a debut issue. A number one issue is not the place to club a reader over the head with loads of crap they haven't read. It's where you make them want to read and then maybe go back and read what came before to fully understand. But multiple personality Sage in the first issue for a new reader, I mean really. What?

[Bulky Brent]

I'm new to Exiles but I liked the issue.

[Novaya Havoc]

2. You do realize that the reason why CC wrote Spidey 2099 and Power Princess out of the series was because the editors told him he could not use those characters.

As if. Prove that one to me. He also wrote out Heather, Blink, TJ, and brought John out of the stasis wall just to write him out, too. Did "the editors" dictate that to him, too?

Baseless conjecture.


3. Again, I find it hypocritical that you and other fans are complaining about CC using FF characters and FF themes in EXILES because EXILES is an X-franchise spin off book, but you didn't complain when the book had used other non X-characters and themes before.

It's not about using them -- it's about using them repeatedly. In the first 5 arcs of Exiles we had:

Xavier and a mixed-MU Brotherhood (Chamber, Spider-Woman, Juggernaut, Domino, Human Torch).
Trial of the Phoenix.
Alpha Flight and the Hulk.
The Skrulls and Galactus (featuring a mix of MU heroes).
Weapon-X/Franklin Richards (Weapon X: Sabretooth, She-Hulk, Vision, Spider, Deadpool, Storm, Iron Man).

It wasn't all worlds featuring one overall theme. It was always a mixed sequence of stories, with different character dynamics. Sue Storm going to Atlantis isn't very different, and each arc has featured the FF under Claremont.

It's not that he's USING the Fantastic Four that's grating. It's that they're prominent in every arc.


4. It's virtually impossible for CC to address anything going on with Sage without having to reference past continuity. It is NOT necessary for a reader to be familiar with CC's recent past story's in order to understand what is going on in NEW EXILES.

Then he shouldn't use Sage, to be perfectly frank. And for that matter, Psylocke either. If readers are demanding New Exiles be "New" and fresh, using Betsy and Sage is not the way to do it (and at this point, you can argue the same about Morph and AoA Sabes, to a lesser degree).

You didn't even need to read the Age of Apocalypse or Blink mini to understand Blink in Exiles #1. No actual continuity from either was referenced.

For New Exiles #1, a lot of continuity is referenced for both Sage and Psylocke.

Claremont did not have to use Sage, so there's no defense against the "it's already continuity-heavy" charge.

[Shaid O Gray]

As if. Prove that one to me. He also wrote out Heather, Blink, TJ, and brought John out of the stasis wall just to write him out, too. Did "the editors" dictate that to him, too?

Well, I'm not sure about that, but I have been reading all over the place that Claremont was told only to use characters he (co)created in the New Exiles. So that would fit that.

Of course, that could just be baseless conjecture as you say, but people have been saying that everywhere, not just Blade X.

Does anyone know if there's some interview with someone that confirms that? Because if it's true I'm kinda wondering why they would do that in the first place.

[worstblogever]

LOL Yeah, her speech patterns do sound really off to me, I just thought CC was having another 'off' day... But if she's supposed to have spent a lot of time in Japan or something, that would explain the way she speaks. I guess...?

...I literally laughed when she said that... "FOOL! Did you REALLY think you could approach me unawares??"

At least it wasn't... "WHAT THE DEVIL?!?"

[Novaya Havoc]

Well, I'm not sure about that, but I have been reading all over the place that Claremont was told only to use characters he (co)created in the New Exiles. So that would fit that.

Of course, that could just be baseless conjecture as you say, but people have been saying that everywhere, not just Blade X.

Does anyone know if there's some interview with someone that confirms that? Because if it's true I'm kinda wondering why they would do that in the first place.

It's from an off-the-cuff remark by Claremont himself in a post on ComiXFan. No editor has confirmed it, and it was not in any official interview.

Personally, I think it's complete bull.

[worstblogever]

Well, I'm not sure about that, but I have been reading all over the place that Claremont was told only to use characters he (co)created in the New Exiles. So that would fit that.



IF that is true, he didn't even hold to that, because he got AoA Sabretooth and the Exiles Morph. So, that debunks that supposed editorial memo. He didn't create either, and he still has them in the book. For how long, though... we'll have to see before he gets tired of them and decides he absolutely NEEDS an alternate universe Storm in New Exiles.

[Joe Franklin]

I will keep buying New Exiles as long as AOA Sabretooth is in the book, and Tom Grummett is drawing it. I don't even care about the goofy dialog and Sage being in the book, even though both are annoying.

[Beast]

IF that is true, he didn't even hold to that, because he got AoA Sabretooth and the Exiles Morph. So, that debunks that supposed editorial memo. He didn't create either, and he still has them in the book. For how long, though... we'll have to see before he gets tired of them and decides he absolutely NEEDS an alternate universe Storm in New Exiles.
616 Sabretooth was created by him. And Morph is really Proteus.

Even the editorial staff has chimed in on this. The main cast can only be made up of characters CC has created or alternate reality versions of them except for Morph. Sabretooth counts for that.

[Shaid O Gray]

IF that is true, he didn't even hold to that, because he got AoA Sabretooth and the Exiles Morph. So, that debunks that supposed editorial memo. He didn't create either, and he still has them in the book. For how long, though... we'll have to see before he gets tired of them and decides he absolutely NEEDS an alternate universe Storm in New Exiles.

Oh man, you're right. It's inevitable! A team of Psylocke, Sage, Rogue, Kitty AND Storm, written by CC?? They'll all be ludicrously superior and infallible and constantly going on about their 'indomitable wills'!!

Would that be like an entire team of Monets?

Well, Rogue already talks like her. Or like Sage.

At least it wasn't... "WHAT THE DEVIL?!?".

LOL True! And when she sees she's been teleported away, I honestly expected her to go "Bah! A minor setback!"

[Novaya Havoc]

Even the editorial staff has chimed in on this.

ORLY? They have? Where? Show me the PROOF.

Or is this proof conveniently locked away with your "confirmation" that New Excalibur Dazzler isn't a Skrull? (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=6001447&postcount=248)

Show me the money, Beastie.

[Joe Franklin]

ORLY? They have? Where? Show me the PROOF.


The proof is in this interview.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12353

[Beast]

ORLY? They have? Where? Show me the PROOF.

Or is this proof conveniently locked away with your "confirmation" that New Excalibur Dazzler isn't a Skrull? (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=6001447&postcount=248)

Show me the money, Beastie.
Lesse, Jordan D. White the Assistant Editor of the title has confirmed it.

As has the person who wrote the Exiles handbook entry who assists checking the scripts for continuity issues.

[Novaya Havoc]

The proof is in this interview.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12353

I don't buy anything that comes from CC's mouth. "Editorial edict" or in this case "dictum" would never happen.

It's simply a way for him to defend his use of pet characters. I'm sure there was probably some sort of "don't use characters you don't know if you can't handle them well" after the tanking of New Excalibur and his subsequent handling of certain ones in Exiles, but I don't buy that for one hot second.

Feel free to think I'm being stubborn, but it's too ridiculous to accept.

And Beast: Jordan never said anything on the matter.

[Beast]

Feel free to think I'm being stubborn, but it's too ridiculous to accept.

And Beast: Jordan never said anything on the matter.
How is it ridiculous?

We've been outright told that Editorial has picked casts for other books as well, such as New Warriors.

And yes, he did.

[Joe Franklin]

I don't buy anything that comes from CC's mouth. "Editorial edict" or in this case "dictum" would never happen.

It's simply a way for him to defend his use of pet characters. I'm sure there was probably some sort of "don't use characters you don't know if you can't handle them well" after the tanking of New Excalibur and his subsequent handling of certain ones in Exiles, but I don't buy that for one hot second.

Feel free to think I'm being stubborn, but it's too ridiculous to accept.


Since Claremont works for Marvel and talks directly to his editors, and you do not do either, I am inclined to believe what he said the editors said to him, over what you say the editors did not say to him. Does this make me crazy?;) :D

[Blade X]

It's from an off-the-cuff remark by Claremont himself in a post on ComiXFan. No editor has confirmed it, and it was not in any official interview.

You're wrong. It's from an interview on this very site.

[Brian Cronin]

Okay, I'm just stipulating for the record that Claremont was told that he was to use (except for Morph and Sabretooth, who yes, technically is a Claremont creation - and if you want to get absurdly technical, so is Morph, as he is sorta Proteus right now) variations of his past creations.

I don't want to hear anything more about it here - it's off-topic, and it really doesn't have anything to do with how good or bad the issue was.

-Brian

[Blade X]

Okay, I'm just stipulating for the record that Claremont was told that he was to use (except for Morph and Sabretooth, who yes, technically is a Claremont creation - and if you want to get absurdly technical, so is Morph, as he is sorta Proteus right now) variations of his past creations.

I don't want to hear anything more about it here - it's off-topic, and it really doesn't have anything to do with how good or bad the issue was.

-Brian

DARN IT. I've already written and posted my previous post before you posted. Feel free to delete it.

[metalgorgomon]

Okay, I'm just stipulating for the record that Claremont was told that he was to use (except for Morph and Sabretooth, who yes, technically is a Claremont creation - and if you want to get absurdly technical, so is Morph, as he is sorta Proteus right now) variations of his past creations.

I don't want to hear anything more about it here - it's off-topic, and it really doesn't have anything to do with how good or bad the issue was.

-Brian

Thank you Brian.. The debate has been going for sometimes now.. I think we should move forward discussing the issue and the future of New Exiles.

The more I read this issue, the more I like it. Tom Grummet is definitely a great artist. It complements Claremont story just fine (except the creepy Sabes needs to be explored further).

I also love Claremont still using "Heather's Icon". It's a fun concept..
Sage will get a new outfit in issue #5. Wonder what it'll looks like..
I think the book itself is a fun book. No need to be 'dark' as sorta what happened in the current 616 X-books. Don't be mistaken tough, I absolutely looove Messiah complex, but New Exiles certainly has different tone with the other X-books. And I think it's good..

[Blade X]

Anyone think that Sabretooth might just be slipping back to the dark side? Remeber, AOA Sabes was a bad guy who turned good, but still had a psychotic and twisted dark side to his personality.

[Jesse Newcomb]

No, because Claremont doesn't read comics that he didn't write himself. Sabes is just gonna be 80s Wolvie with a hard-on for Betsy.

[Hi-Fi]

FOOLS! Did you REALLY think you could approach me unawares??

<3 <3 <3

[Beast]

FOOLS! Did you REALLY think you could approach me unawares??

<3 <3 <3
New Exiles Rogue is a hottie. :)

[Blade X]

No, because Claremont doesn't read comics that he didn't write himself. Sabes is just gonna be 80s Wolvie with a hard-on for Betsy.

If that's the case, then he would most definitely make Sabes a villain again since (a) was a villain before he joined the X-Men in the AOA time line and (b) because CC created Sabes (the ORIGINAL 616 version) to be a villain in the first place.

[Excelsior]

No One on this thread has said, Exiles #1 was a step down from his previous run IE Die the Sword. Truth is CC's writing has improved.

[Novaya Havoc]

No One on this thread has said, Exiles #1 was a step down from his previous run IE Die the Sword. Truth is CC's writing has improved.

By what? A fraction of a percentage? Improving your final grade from 5% to 15% still results in an F-.

The writing is the same. Just the cast is different. The only compliments I've read here are "I like how Psylocke looks!" or "Rogue looks hot!"

The story, however, remains terrible, and the book has no vehicle to operate under.

[ANewHope]

i have never read Exiles in my life. This issue was my first.

"Oh no! The man, who has superhuman strength and mid-level telekinesis is going to attack me! i had better use my triple beamy photon blast that needs recharging with solid energy matter."

We have thoughts like that all the time...no? Come on now...

Hilarious <3

[Callisto]

I like this 'Posh' Rouge too. Thanks for clearing up for Rouge's "BAKA".. Didn't notice that she's swearing in Japanese.. Hope she sticks around a bit..

i like her too, i just wish her outfit was a bit more form fitting..why are those boots so loose on her?

[xmanson]

No, because Claremont doesn't read comics that he didn't write himself. Sabes is just gonna be 80s Wolvie with a hard-on for Betsy.

AoA Sabes WAS 80's logan. That was the whole point, at least for me. So, there's nothing different.

[Luck911]

AoA Sabes WAS 80's logan. That was the whole point, at least for me. So, there's nothing different.

Agree with this so much.Sabertooth along with Blink and Morph are some of the character i hope get freed from the mess that is exiles.Sabertooth would be awesome in 616 earth right now.

People you need to stop reading the book right now if you don't want to see psylocke and Sabertooth hook up.It is going to happen

[Shaid O Gray]

Agree with this so much.Sabertooth along with Blink and Morph are some of the character i hope get freed from the mess that is exiles.Sabertooth would be awesome in 616 earth right now.

People you need to stop reading the book right now if you don't want to see psylocke and Sabertooth hook up.It is going to happen

Looks like it. Unless ya know, CC is taking the long route by having Betsy hook up with Mystiq first, with a large number of shots of Sabes standing in the shadows with an achey breaky heart. Trying to practice ballroom dancing when no one is looking.:D

i like her too, i just wish her outfit was a bit more form fitting..why are those boots so loose on her?

Yeah, I was wondering that myself. Thigh highs should be tight or it looks like some little kid trying on her big sister's boots or something.

[DDM]

New Exiles #1 is basically a reintroduction of the various characters--Sage, Psylocke, Cat, Rogue, Sabretooth, Morph, & Mystiq--after the events of Exiles #100.

Rogue obviously does not care for the alternate version of Mystique. She also seems to have lived her life in Japan (?). I think she still has the stolen Ms. Marvel's powers though & possibly retains Carol's psyche as well. She's still a villain in her world. She's one of my new favorites.

Cat is completely anti-social. Is it because she's lost everyone she knows dear to her?

Psylocke still has her telekinesis instead of telepathy :rolleyes: . She is also still invisible to the Crystal Castle's computers.

Sage is still reeling from the knowledge Roma gave her when she died. I still believe Roma is not really dead, although she transferred her knowledge to Sage. Sage shows she is human by still trying to absorb all the data in her mind.

Mystiq is also a mystery. I like the fact h/she refuses to wear a costume. And s/he is completely different from the mainstream Mystique.

Sabretooth is basically Wolverine. I would like old Sabretooth to show up at some point to make him different from Wolverine.

I know next issue we'll see Susan Storm, Namor, & possibly other Atlanteans so this story could be about anything.

Tom Grummett's art is nice as usual. But I love the Michael Golden cover! When is he going to do an entire comic book again?

8/10

[Beast]

People you need to stop reading the book right now if you don't want to see psylocke and Sabertooth hook up.It is going to happen
God, I hope so. I love the sexual tension that's going to develop between Betsy, Victor, and Rafael. Though I'm really hoping she ends up with Creed. I think the dynamic works better between them.

[Phil Hunn]

The story, however, remains terrible, and the book has no vehicle to operate under.

Something I've found with current CC work is that even if there IS a vehicle or a macguffin used as an excuse for the book to exist, it tends to sort of hover around expectantly for a few issues and then run away crying because it's been neglected... while the X-Men happily swan off to places like Mojoworld, the Hellfire Club or the Savage Land.

AoA Sabes WAS 80's logan. That was the whole point, at least for me. So, there's nothing different.

AoA Sabretooth was written with his own distinct voice, though. Not as a straight Xerox of 80s Logan.

People you need to stop reading the book right now if you don't want to see psylocke and Sabertooth hook up.It is going to happen

... SO glad I dropped this.

Psylocke still has her telekinesis instead of telepathy :rolleyes: . She is also still invisible to the Crystal Castle's computers.

Because of what happened to the Australian X-Men in the 80s, correct? Despite the fact that that's been a non-issue for... at least a decade?

[xmanson]

AoA Sabretooth was written with his own distinct voice, though. Not as a straight Xerox of 80s Logan.

It was for me. Carbon copy.

[Blade X]

Something I've found with current CC work is that even if there IS a vehicle or a macguffin used as an excuse for the book to exist, it tends to sort of hover around expectantly for a few issues and then run away crying because it's been neglected... while the X-Men happily swan off to places like Mojoworld, the Hellfire Club or the Savage Land.

AoA Sabretooth was written with his own distinct voice, though. Not as a straight Xerox of 80s Logan.

... SO glad I dropped this.

Because of what happened to the Australian X-Men in the 80s, correct? Despite the fact that that's been a non-issue for... at least a decade?

1. Just because a book has a specific purpose for existing does not mean that every single issue of said book has to ONLY be about said specific reason/purpose. Anime/manga series like ONE PIECE and OUTLAW STAR are proof of this.

2. You are absolutely right about AOA Sabretooth having his own voice and being quite different from 80's Logan.

3. I'm glad to see that you voted with your wallet and dropped this book. Unlike SOME fans who continue to buy this book and then complain about the book, you are not only talking the talk, but are walking the walk.

4. I could be wrong, but isn't it possible that her brother Jamie restored her invisibility to machines when he resurrected her.

[DDM]

Because of what happened to the Australian X-Men in the 80s, correct? Despite the fact that that's been a non-issue for... at least a decade?

No. Psylocke gained Phoenix's telekinesis & Jean gained Betsy's telepathy after an untold tale of their encounter with the Shadow King prior to X-Men #100 (1991 series), during an editorial mandated 6 months gap. However, when Grant Morrison wrote Jean with both her telepathy & telekinesis as of New X-Men #114, Betsy still retained Jean's telekinesis. Even after Betsy died in X-Treme X-Men #2 & was resurrected in Uncanny X-Men #455, Psylocke still possessed Phoenix's telekinesis (this time the link seems to have been with the Phoenix Force itself as measured by Rachel's strange manifestation post her being freed from Elias Bogan's possession in X-Treme X-Men). Jamie Braddock even stated that he bound Betsy to Rachel in some way in Uncanny X-Men #462 while in the so-called White Hot Room (i.e. the Center of Creation itself).

Chris Claremont has some story planned with Psylocke possessing telekinesis, but I would much rather Betsy return to her own telepathy instead.

[DDM]

4. I could be wrong, but isn't it possible that her brother Jamie restored her invisibility to machines when he resurrected her.

No. Roma altered the Crystal Castle's computer to make Psylocke invisible in Exiles #90; she is also responsible for Betsy landing at the Exiles doorstep.

[Blade X]

No. Roma altered the Crystal Castle's computer to make Psylocke invisible in Exiles #90; she is also responsible for Betsy landing at the Exiles doorstep.

D'OH Thanks for the correction.

[Brian M.]

I don't think Claremont understood the point of a relaunch.

[DDM]

I don't think Claremont understood the point of a relaunch.

Why don't you ask him at comixfan?

Personally, I would have preferred it be New Exiles #101 instead of a complete relaunch.

[Brian M.]

Why don't you ask him at comixfan?

Personally, I would have preferred it be New Exiles #101 instead of a complete relaunch.

Becuase issue #1 answers my question.

[Bulky Brent]

A number #1 always sell better then a #101 unless it's a flagship title it's a way to bring in New readers.

[Michael Sean]

No. Psylocke gained Phoenix's telekinesis & Jean gained Betsy's telepathy after an untold tale of their encounter with the Shadow King prior to X-Men #100 (1991 series), during an editorial mandated 6 months gap. However, when Grant Morrison wrote Jean with both her telepathy & telekinesis as of New X-Men #114, Betsy still retained Jean's telekinesis. Even after Betsy died in X-Treme X-Men #2 & was resurrected in Uncanny X-Men #455, Psylocke still possessed Phoenix's telekinesis (this time the link seems to have been with the Phoenix Force itself as measured by Rachel's strange manifestation post her being freed from Elias Bogan's possession in X-Treme X-Men). Jamie Braddock even stated that he bound Betsy to Rachel in some way in Uncanny X-Men #462 while in the so-called White Hot Room (i.e. the Center of Creation itself).

Chris Claremont has some story planned with Psylocke possessing telekinesis, but I would much rather Betsy return to her own telepathy instead.

Morrison explained that Jean got her telekinesis back from secondary mutation so I guess that meant that Psylocke could still have Jean's telekinesis from the power switch.

They should have said that it came back because Betsy died and then brought her back with her telepathy.

They never mention that Psylocke got her tk from Jean anymore so I thought they might be ignoring that.

They never really explained how Rachel got the shadow form. Though they did say there was a connection between Betsy and Rachel. But Betsy had already given the shadow form to Jean in Revolution.

I guess your idea makes as much sense as any. Perhaps when Betsy switched powers with Jean, the Crimson Dawn effected the Phoenix since Jean had begun manifesting it again and maybe thats why Jean had the Shadow Form/Phoenix Eye during Revolution and Rachel has had it since Reload.

[Phil Hunn]

1. Just because a book has a specific purpose for existing does not mean that every single issue of said book has to ONLY be about said specific reason/purpose. Anime/manga series like ONE PIECE and OUTLAW STAR are proof of this.

Absolutely right. But looking at, oh, say... the Destiny Diaries: how many of those wretched things did the Team X-Treme ever actually bother finding over the course of those 46 issues? Two. Meanwhile, Kitty Pryde found a whole stack of them! Off-panel! While still managing to complete a college degree and flame Purity members on their message board!

And Storm's XSE: how many times was the X-Men's status as badge-wearing law-enforcement officers referenced or even used as a plot point? I can only recall one occasion.

The reason for New Excalibur existing, as I recall, was to look at the after-effects of the DeciMation. Unlike X-Factor, which actually went ahead with that idea, Pete Wisdom and his chums sort of hung around London twiddling their thumbs until they got beaten up by the evil X-Men. And then Frank Tieri did some fill-ins with ApocaChamber. And then the team sat around while Albion did stuff. And then Nocturne fell over.

And the less said about Die By The Sword, the better...

No. Psylocke gained Phoenix's telekinesis & Jean gained Betsy's telepathy after an untold tale of their encounter with the Shadow King prior to X-Men #100 (1991 series), during an editorial mandated 6 months gap.

I know - I was referring to her invisibility to the Crystal Castle's computers (I was watching the She-Ra intro on YouTube earlier, being a big girly-man, so I'm calling it that today).

[DDM]

A number #1 always sell better then a #101 unless it's a flagship title it's a way to bring in New readers.

A #1 is a superficial boost at best. But it fits with Joe Quesada since he's Mr. Gimmick for Marvel...

[Blade X]

Absolutely right. But looking at, oh, say... the Destiny Diaries: how many of those wretched things did the Team X-Treme ever actually bother finding over the course of those 46 issues? Two. Meanwhile, Kitty Pryde found a whole stack of them! Off-panel! While still managing to complete a college degree and flame Purity members on their message board!

And Storm's XSE: how many times was the X-Men's status as badge-wearing law-enforcement officers referenced or even used as a plot point? I can only recall one occasion.

The reason for New Excalibur existing, as I recall, was to look at the after-effects of the DeciMation. Unlike X-Factor, which actually went ahead with that idea, Pete Wisdom and his chums sort of hung around London twiddling their thumbs until they got beaten up by the evil X-Men. And then Frank Tieri did some fill-ins with ApocaChamber. And then the team sat around while Albion did stuff. And then Nocturne fell over.

And the less said about Die By The Sword, the better...

1. Remember, CC was told to abandon/wrap up the Destiny Diaries plot by the end of the Invasion story arc.

2. I think Storm's XSE team might have been referenced at least twice. Of course, if CC kept mentioning the XSE in every issue, MANY internet fans would start complaining about how he keeps mentioning the XSE in every issue. That being said, I would have loved to see more XSE centric story's. For all we know, CC had plans to do more XSE centric story's but his plans might have been derailed due to (a) the book being forced into a crossover (b) the loss of Storm to the Black Panther book (c) CC getting sick and (d) CC being fired from the book.

3. I STRONGLY believe that the reason Marvel gave for the existence of the NEX team were total BS. They just wanted to make all of the people, who were complaining about the 2nd EXCALIBUR series not being set in Britain and being similar to the original team/series, happy.

4. DBTS was a rush job.

[Sean Whitmore]

1. Just because a book has a specific purpose for existing does not mean that every single issue of said book has to ONLY be about said specific reason/purpose.

No one said it did.

Be nice if the book acknowledged its specific purpose for existing more often than once in a blue moon, though.


SEAN

[Jesse Newcomb]

A #1 is a superficial boost at best. But it fits with Joe Quesada since he's Mr. Gimmick for Marvel...

Mr. Gimmick that brought Marvel out of bankruptcy and still gives your precious Claremont a job even though his comics are hemorrhaging money. What number series is this now that CC is launching now? 5? And they barely last for more than two years!

But I digress, this has absolutely nothing to do with New Exiles.

[Alan2099]

Morrison explained that Jean got her telekinesis back from secondary mutation so I guess that meant that Psylocke could still have Jean's telekinesis from the power switch.
Wait, so Jean's secondary mutation was giving her a power she would have already had anyway?

Boy did she get gipped in the power department.

[Sean Whitmore]

Wait, so Jean's secondary mutation was giving her a power she would have already had anyway?

Boy did she get gipped in the power department.

Maybe her secondary mutation is like when a pawn makes it to the other side of the chess board, and you can have any piece you want back. She just liked telekinesis that much.


SEAN

[worstblogever]

This. Panel. Made. My. Year.

LMFAOMFAOLOL!EJKROFTL!!!

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/havoc1/Blog/saiksysage.jpg


I read this in my LCS with my buddy who works there... and we both looked at it, and answered Sage with, "Readers across the country are wondering he same thing. The best answer is, you're doing it because you're being written by Claremont. You need to pass time and relate to other characters by making you participate in sports. Even if all we've ever seen you do is drink wine and work on your laptop."

"Why am I doing this?" LOL.

[Sean Whitmore]

I read this in my LCS with my buddy who works there... and we both looked at it, and answered Sage with, "Readers across the country are wondering he same thing. The best answer is, you're doing it because you're being written by Claremont. You need to pass time and relate to other characters by making you participate in sports. Even if all we've ever seen you do is drink wine and work on your laptop."

"Why am I doing this?" LOL.

To be fair, it's not like it's totally out of left field. From what I understand (mind you I'm piecing this together, I haven't read an actual comic with Sage in it for months before this one), Sage has recently had a whole lot of weird crap happen to her (God, I'm succinct!). It's understandable that she wouldn't just slip comfortably back into her old ways. She's doing something outside the range of her experience, and second-guessing herself. I didn't have a problem with that.

Not as much as I did with her imaginary friend somehow physically affecting her. I'm sure that's something I'd understand if I'd been reading Exiles/Excalibur/whatever for the past few months...but I haven't been. And this being a first issue, I shouldn't really have had to be expected to.


SEAN

[worstblogever]

To be fair, it's not like it's totally out of left field. From what I understand (mind you I'm piecing this together, I haven't read an actual comic with Sage in it for months before this one), Sage has recently had a whole lot of weird crap happen to her (God, I'm succinct!). It's understandable that she wouldn't just slip comfortably back into her old ways. She's doing something outside the range of her experience, and second-guessing herself. I didn't have a problem with that.

Not as much as I did with her imaginary friend somehow physically affecting her. I'm sure that's something I'd understand if I'd been reading Exiles/Excalibur/whatever for the past few months...but I haven't been. And this being a first issue, I shouldn't really have had to be expected to.


SEAN

But football? Of all things... random sport? The Crystal Palace offers unlimited kinds of entertainment, and they keep just opting to play sports. Somebody needs to just put on a movie, create their own fantasy adventure to battle in, or go the Ensign Barkley route from Star Trek: TNG and make themselves a sexbot hologram. The only way these characters seem to have any balls is inflatible ones they goof around with.

[Beast]

But football? Of all things... random sport? The Crystal Palace offers unlimited kinds of entertainment, and they keep just opting to play sports. Somebody needs to just put on a movie, create their own fantasy adventure to battle in, or go the Ensign Barkley route from Star Trek: TNG and make themselves a sexbot hologram. The only way these characters seem to have any balls is inflatible ones they goof around with.
Football was Morph's idea. And we've seen he's taken on a Football Player's form before, way back in the first issue of Exiles when they were trying to rescue Xavier. So perhaps he has an affinity for it. He asked Cat to play, that's it. Then Sage wandered by and asked to join. Not really a big deal. It's not like any of them have ever said on panel anywhere that they detest Fooball or anything. Heh.

[Jesse Newcomb]

I'm not bothered about the whole football thing, but just how it's so awkward.

[worstblogever]

Football was Morph's idea. And we've seen he's taken on a Football Player's form before, way back in the first issue of Exiles when they were trying to rescue Xavier. So perhaps he has an affinity for it. He asked Cat to play. Then Sage wandered by and asked to join. Not really a big deal.

Maybe not a big deal, but it's a crutch this author has overused.

And, was there a point to Sage joining in, really? Of all the things to take her mind off of the entirety of the Multiverse in her head, it's football.

Maybe she should just find her new savior...

http://www.imgspeakers.com/_images/speakers/MaddenJohn9.06.jpg

John Madden: I'll save you from your brain demons and Diana Fox, Sage, just think about Brett Favre, and the frozen tundra of Lambeau field...

Now, what's ridiculous about it? Everything.

[Michael Sean]

Wait, so Jean's secondary mutation was giving her a power she would have already had anyway?

Boy did she get gipped in the power department.

Yes they actually explained on panel in New X-Men #116 that Jean's tk had returned through secondary mutation. Beast explains this to Emma when he tells her about secondary mutations and how he turned into a cat creature and she developed diamond skin.

In New X-Men "the manifestation of the Phoenix" was described as "extreme telekinetic sensitivity" and Jean's "Phoenix blood" was described as "telekinetic godhood in a jar". So her manifesting the Phoenix Force more fully again was a part of it too.

Also ever since they established that Jean had been a telepath first and her telekinesis manifested after Xavier shut her telepathy down--- telekinesis was pretty much always her secondary mutation anyways.

It just came back after she lost it.

[Sean Whitmore]

In New X-Men "the manifestation of the Phoenix" was described as "extreme telekinetic sensitivity" and Jean's "Phoenix blood" was described as "telekinetic godhood in a jar". So her manifesting the Phoenix Force more fully again was a part of it too.

Gotta give him credit for trying to tie the Phoenix Force into something that actually has to do with the core concept of the series.

But then, also gotta give him the blame for not realizing the Phoenix Force hasn't been interesting since the Dark Phoenix Saga 30 years ago.


SEAN

[Brian M.]

Gotta give him credit for trying to tie the Phoenix Force into something that actually has to do with the core concept of the series.

But then, also gotta give him the blame for not realizing the Phoenix Force hasn't been interesting since the Dark Phoenix Saga 30 years ago.


SEAN

I hate the Phoenix. I hate it.

[DeadXMan]

Maybe not a big deal, but it's a crutch this author has overused.

And, was there a point to Sage joining in, really? Of all the things to take her mind off of the entirety of the Multiverse in her head, it's football.

Maybe she should just find her new savior...

http://www.imgspeakers.com/_images/speakers/MaddenJohn9.06.jpg

John Madden: I'll save you from your brain demons and Diana Fox, Sage, just think about Brett Favre, and the frozen tundra of Lambeau field...

Now, what's ridiculous about it? Everything.


you never watched "Little Giants" have you?

[worstblogever]

you never watched "Little Giants" have you?

No, I did. I like the part where they pop Alka Seltzer to foam at the mouth as an intimidation tactic. :)

[_Jayme_]

Best part without a doubt was Sage seeing the phantoms. I guess it was alright for the first issue of the new series. I really like Mystiq and Rogue..I hope we find out alot more about their pasts.

[LungerTony]

Overall, I thought this was a boring comic.

As a #1, I thought this was terrible. Usually I expect #1's to introduce me to the characters, but I felt like I was being onslaughted with old exiles continuity (I never read Exiles before). I couldn't figure out what was so special about these people as to why their apparent leader picked them for what I beieve to be a big-time job.

There was nothing in it that made me care or want to care, or want to learn more about any of these characters. And let's be honest, on the surface atleast, the characters look very boring - Cat Pryde, Rogue, and Mystiq. Those three are "new" and lame.
Too much football stuff. I couldn't figure out why they were playing football...I thought Exiles saved lots of different universes...which sounds like a busy and stressful job. And they are playing football? I just didn't understand it. Them tossing the pigskin was about half the comic atleast.

One of the biggest things that annoyed me though was Psylocke and Mystiq. I can only assume this is the first time they met, since its a #1 and all, and for some reason Psylocke is already romantically or sexually interested in a rather goofy looking guy in a Sherlock Holmes suit minus the iconic hat. "Hey" "Hi" "I am British" "So am I" "Let's go dancing or to the theater or whatever" "OMG I want him in me!"

I liked New Excalibur somewhat. Some issues/arcs were enjoyable enough, some sucked. I was expecting atleast a comparable enjoyable mediocrity form this Exiles incantation.

New Exiles is not off to a good start, and I won't bother following up on it.

[Brian Cronin]

Mr. Gimmick that brought Marvel out of bankruptcy and still gives your precious Claremont a job even though his comics are hemorrhaging money. What number series is this now that CC is launching now? 5? And they barely last for more than two years!

But I digress, this has absolutely nothing to do with New Exiles.

Yeah, so we should probably stop it there before we get a gazillion post tangent on the topic! :D

-Brian

[Madama Butterfly]

I, too, believe that New Exiles #1 was somewhat above Claremont's latest average. Of course Sage's football game and Rogue's banter were the low points of this experience.

Who else thinks that Cat might be a traitor? Is it just me?

[Novaya Havoc]

I don't think Claremont understood the point of a relaunch.

Touche.

Listen. Let's talk about the issue (thank you, LungerTony, as an aside!). Every Claremont issue it's this "LEAVE CC ALONE!!!! STOP READING HIS COMICS IF YOU DON'T LIKE THEM!!!"

So what? I thought I offered valid critique on the book and why this #1 doesn't work, and how Exiles has lost its purpose. And after even re-reading Timebreakers (Bedard), the drive for this series makes less and less sense.

Can we stop talking about Claremont and what-editor-did-what or why-do-you-read-this-if-you-hate-it?

Every week it's about defending Claremont himself. Whether it's Uncanny, or X-Treme, or Excalibur, or Exiles, or even if he were writing an Emma Frost or a Howard the Duck series, it'll all come back to defending Claremont himself rather than observe the work.

Dazzle me. Tell me WHY this issue was good, and WHY this issue worked, and HOW it -- in any way, shape, or form -- has a purpose anymore.

[_Jayme_]

I, too, believe that New Exiles #1 was somewhat above Claremont's latest average. Of course Sage's football game and Rogue's banter were the low points of this experience.

Who else thinks that Cat might be a traitor? Is it just me?

Nope. I think Mystiq is a traitor, actually. The way he's trying to woo Psylocke. I think Cat is just mysterious.

[Excelsior]

heheh I just wanted to add that in CBR's Myth section it does state that the Beast was removed from his handling and used by Morrison, during CC's stint on Xtreme X-men.

So editorial changes sometimes hampers projected story lines. For Proof, read CC's X-men: the end, and check out his take on the future X-men compared to the current MC X-universe- RE: Bishop's fate.

[Phil Hunn]

I hate the Phoenix. I hate it.

It's a cosmic parrot that's gone and joined the choir invisible. If it wasn't nailed to the perch it would be pushing up the daisies. IT IS AN EX-PARROT!

Time to let it visit the big pet shop in the sky.

So editorial changes sometimes hampers projected story lines. For Proof, read CC's X-men: the end, and check out his take on the future X-men compared to the current MC X-universe- RE: Bishop's fate.

X-Men: The End, like all the other The End one-shots/limited series, were all What If? exercises. None of them were in-continuity. At all.

And in the case of the clumsy, muddled, over-long X-Men: The End, that's what's known as a Very Good Thing.

In any case, this series has little to no editorial interference. And it's still sub-par. Ipso facto, CC is not delivering the goods, and it's not the editors' fault.

[sbo]

Who else thinks that Cat might be a traitor? Is it just me?

If she is i hope the first thing she does is kill Mystiq, or Sage, hopefully both they're completely boring.

[Sean Whitmore]

It's a cosmic parrot that's gone and joined the choir invisible. If it wasn't nailed to the perch it would be pushing up the daisies. IT IS AN EX-PARROT!

Time to let it visit the big pet shop in the sky.

And then every so often, someone comes around and kicks Jean's corpse and says, "There, she moved!"


SEAN

[LungerTony]

I would continue reading Exiles for awhile, even through crappy archs if this happened:

That in the next issue nearly the entire team was killed (cept maybe Psylocke and Morph), a la X-Statix. And that this whole time it was planned that way, and kept a tight secret only to explode people's minds. But of course, that won't happen.

[Beast]

I would continue reading Exiles for awhile, even through crappy archs if this happened:

That in the next issue nearly the entire team was killed (cept maybe Psylocke and Morph), a la X-Statix. And that this whole time it was planned that way, and kept a tight secret only to explode people's minds. But of course, that won't happen.
That never even happened in the original run. And would be awful if it did.

[Blade X]

Touche.

Listen. Let's talk about the issue (thank you, LungerTony, as an aside!). Every Claremont issue it's this "LEAVE CC ALONE!!!! STOP READING HIS COMICS IF YOU DON'T LIKE THEM!!!"

So what? I thought I offered valid critique on the book and why this #1 doesn't work, and how Exiles has lost its purpose. And after even re-reading Timebreakers (Bedard), the drive for this series makes less and less sense.

Can we stop talking about Claremont and what-editor-did-what or why-do-you-read-this-if-you-hate-it?

Every week it's about defending Claremont himself. Whether it's Uncanny, or X-Treme, or Excalibur, or Exiles, or even if he were writing an Emma Frost or a Howard the Duck series, it'll all come back to defending Claremont himself rather than observe the work.

Dazzle me. Tell me WHY this issue was good, and WHY this issue worked, and HOW it -- in any way, shape, or form -- has a purpose anymore.

I'll agree to that if the people criticizing CC (a) stop saying that he should retire and (b) stop posting panels of comics he wrote in order to mock him. Everything else is fair game.

[Pach!]

I'll agree to that if the people criticizing CC (a) stop saying that he should retire and (b) stop posting panels of comics he wrote in order to mock him. Everything else is fair game.

Panel posted was from the issue... unless you mean another panel.

[Novaya Havoc]

I'll agree to that if the people criticizing CC (a) stop saying that he should retire and (b) stop posting panels of comics he wrote in order to mock him. Everything else is fair game.

A) Saying he should "retire" is a response to the current work.
B) Posting panels -- especially of the issue in question -- are still criticisms on the work, even if you don't think they're funny.

Questioning why critics say what they do about Claremont (especially without a counter-argument on the work itself) doesn't address New Exiles #1.

Talking about some "history" of editorial interference doesn't address New Exiles #1.

This post of yours doesn't address New Exiles #1.

Eyes on the prize, Blades.

[Jake V]

I'll agree to that if the people criticizing CC (a) stop saying that he should retire and (b) stop posting panels of comics he wrote in order to mock him. Everything else is fair game.

So you just don't want people to be critical of him?

[Blade X]

I would continue reading Exiles for awhile, even through crappy archs if this happened:

That in the next issue nearly the entire team was killed (cept maybe Psylocke and Morph), a la X-Statix. And that this whole time it was planned that way, and kept a tight secret only to explode people's minds. But of course, that won't happen.

That's kind of how I feel about the current NEW WARRIORS and THUNDERBOLTS team, minus the killing part (because I don't believe characters that I personally do not like or hate being on my favorite teams should be killed off).

[LungerTony]

Well, neither do I totally, but half the cast of New Exiles are brand new. I don't like them, and no one else really has the time (or from the writing, any reason) to care for them. Consensus show Sage is boring. Some people probably like Sabretooth though.
Hence noone would shed a tear for most of them, unless they are an insane person.
Maybe if I read more DC, D/F-list character deaths would bother me more.

Anyway, who on T-bolts should die? Hopefully not Songbird, because that would just be just in violation of all that is holy.

[Blade X]

A) Saying he should "retire" is a response to the current work.
B) Posting panels -- especially of the issue in question -- are still criticisms on the work, eve