New Exiles #1 Discussion Thread

[Disco Jess Minge]

What Natch was talking about was hardly something little to be dismissed at so easily. Morph as Proteus is a pink elephant in the room with Claremont's plots on Exiles. And I didn't see CC address Proteus once ever since he took over.

[Nachturne]

That seems awfully nitpicky. Perhaps I'm misremembering incorrectly, but aren't the only ones who call him Kevin new?

And Claremont did briefly mention Proteus. At the start of his run, we had that mind-altering headpiece still present and it was brought up in Die By the Sword.

That's what I'm saying though. It's nitpicky, yes, but also a very glaring change from the previous 100 issues of the series. We had 100 issues where he was called Morph, even ones CC wrote, but now he's Kevin? What makes these new people so different they call him Kevin? In short, WTF.

And I'm aware he mentioned it, I stated he did. Once. Since then it's never been revisited. Not to say it won't, but who frikken knows at this point. It still doesn't make the Kevin thing make sense.

If the book had no other issues, was a good read with great characterization, and an interesting plot that was worthy of the relaunch and the "New" title, then the Kevin thing could be forgiven. But add it to the rest of the problems? And its just one more thing Claremont didn't get right.

[Beast]

And what Natch was talking about was hardly something little to be dismissed at so easily. Morph as Proteus is a pink elephant in the room with Claremont's plots on Exiles. And I didn't see CC address Proteus once ever since he took over.
Other than several times in his first couple issues and Die By The Sword where it was addressed?

Such as Blink and Sabretooth watching a computer simulation of what's likely to happen when/if Proteus regains control. Or Psylocke accidentally breaking the brain washing equipment during her fight with Sabretooth?

[Beast]

That's what I'm saying though. It's nitpicky, yes, but also a very glaring change from the previous 100 issues of the series. We had 100 issues where he was called Morph, even ones CC wrote, but now he's Kevin? What makes these new people so different they call him Kevin? In short, WTF.
And? Cat's new. She decided to refer to him to something other than an impersonal codename.
And I'm aware he mentioned it, I stated he did. Once. Since then it's never been revisited. Not to say it won't, but who frikken knows at this point. It still doesn't make the Kevin thing make sense.
3-4 times actually. Most recently in Die By the Sword.

[Novaya Havoc]

Um....why the hell were they calling Morph Kevin?? He's never been called anything but Morph ever.


That's what I'm saying though. It's nitpicky, yes, but also a very glaring change from the previous 100 issues of the series. We had 100 issues where he was called Morph, even ones CC wrote, but now he's Kevin? What makes these new people so different they call him Kevin? In short, WTF.

And I'm aware he mentioned it, I stated he did. Once. Since then it's never been revisited. Not to say it won't, but who frikken knows at this point. It still doesn't make the Kevin thing make sense.

Fantastic point. I wasn't going to bring it up, but I'm glad you did.

That bugged the shit out of me, too. I think the only time it came up - Pre-Claremont - was in the Morph origin story (by Bedard) as an attempt to humanize him before he was taken over by Proteus in the Future Imperfect part of World Tour.

No one -- NO ONE -- referred to him as Kevin Sydney, let alone Morph himself.

And much of the fantastic character appeal about Morph was that he was Morph. Was he gay? Was he straight? Male? Female? He crossdressed, he played with the girls, he was aggressive, he was ferocious, he was timid -- he was a true Morph.

In this, I think Claremont is trying too hard to make Morph a static character. The joy and appeal of Morph was that he was always "in flux" -- you couldn't predict Morph, you didn't really "get" Morph, and that is what made his few serious character moments all the more poignent. His comments on his mom dying of Lung Cancer? His response to Sunfire being gay? His sudden belief in -- and defense of -- the renegade Magik? All great moments.

By trying to force him into "Kevin" or "Kev" you're trying to force Morph -- as a character -- into a box and leave the comic relief up to the artist. Where's the Morph who would just switch genders for a giggle or a point without having a long-term teammate like Blink go "Morph -- whatever are you wearing?" (Thank you, Die by the Sword. Ugh.)

It just misses the point, and really reduces the point of Morph. He's a freakin' MORPH. This "Kevin Sydney" role betrays his character.

So thanks for bringing that up, Lise. I sure wasn't going to, with the impending doom of being labelled a "nitpicker."

If the book had no other issues, was a good read with great characterization, and an interesting plot that was worthy of the relaunch and the "New" title, then the Kevin thing could be forgiven. But add it to the rest of the problems? And its just one more thing Claremont didn't get right.

Exactly. If you want to do it right, make Exiles ALL NEW with an ALL new directive. This "one foot in the pool" bit isn't doing it. Claremont will keep nary a single fan of the old title, and really just betrays the concept (and his fans).

Would Morph REALLY stay if Blink, TJ, and T-Bird were leaving to be with Heather? Would Sabretooth? No -- they'd leave with them. They're EXILES! They're family!

Morph stayed because of his teammates when given the option to leave: he stayed with Heather, Cal, TJ, and Mariko. Sabretooth stayed because of Clarice.

The book would be better off (and by that I mean conceptually, not by the writer) with a whole new cast and new directive. I doubt the book would be GOOD, but I think the concept would be more palatable with neophyte Exiles with a new mission.

Like I said, this seems like trying to play it safe via continuity. Doesn't wash.

And no, for the detractors, they are in no way "Exiled." Even the title fails.

[Beast]

Also going by the issue...

Cat calls him Kevin once, then calls him Morph during the game.
Rogue only ever calls him Morph.
Sabretooth only ever calls him Morph.

It's nitpicky to act like noone can ever call him Kevin, given that's his name.

[Novaya Havoc]

Also going by the issue...

Cat calls him Kevin once, then calls him Morph during the game.
Rogue only ever calls him Morph.
Sabretooth only ever calls him Morph.

Claremont's called him "Kevin Sydney" outside of that. Like I said, a silly ploy to box him in and "humanize" him when it completely, and utterly, misses the point.

They also call him "Sabretooth" not "Victor" and "Mystiq" not "Raphael" and "Sage" not "10100101010".

It's a staple of superhero comics to defer to the superhero moniker, and not the real name. "Dazzler" not "Ali" or "Juggernaut" not "Cain" spring to mind. The point is that Claremont insists on making "Kevin Sydney" as the character but "Morph" as the alias, which is not true to the character itself.

It's nitpicky to act like noone can ever call him Kevin, given that's his name.

No one DID, Beast.

Not the Timebroker, who introduced him.
Not Mojo, who wanted him.
Not Blink, Cal, Heather, or TJ who were his best friends.
Not Namora, Beak, T-Bird, Magnus, or any of his other transient teammates.
Not Illyana, who he had a breakdown with.

And especially:
Not Mariko, whom he loved and had a close bond with. And he even brought Mariko's corpse to her lover.

Your point?

[Beast]

Claremont's called him "Kevin Sydney" outside of that. Like I said, a silly ploy to box him in and "humanize" him when it completely, and utterly, misses the point.
Why shouldn't he be humanized. He is a human character. Why should his real name be some sorta major point of contention, when it's used between two people who are clearly friends during down time.
They also call him "Sabretooth" not "Victor" and "Mystiq" not "Raphael" and "Sage" not "10100101010"
People call Sabretooth Vic or Victor all the time, or even Creed.
And again you're wrong. For example, Psylocke calls Mystiq Rafael right in the issue.
And several other instances of names being used. Not just in CC's run, but in earlier issues. It's a silly nitpick.

[Blade X]

UGH. Are you seriously trying to split hairs over synonyms? Get over it.

Besides, you're wrong. They were, in all serious fact, exiled by the literal definition.

ex·ile /ˈɛgzaɪl, ˈɛksaɪl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[eg-zahyl, ek-sahyl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, -iled, -il·ing.
–noun
1. expulsion from one's native land by authoritative decree.
2. the fact or state of such expulsion: to live in exile.
3. a person banished from his or her native land.
4. prolonged separation from one's country or home, as by force of circumstances: wartime exile.
5. anyone separated from his or her country or home voluntarily or by force of circumstances.

I think you're the one who needs to "get over it".

I said the meaning of the word "exile" did not match the THREE (3) definitions for the word posted by Jester. You listed 5 definitions for the word, and 4th and 5th definition definitely applies to this books title past and PRESENT.

[Beast]

Can't wait for Exiles #5 & #6. From what CC said it's going to focus on Cat, Morph, and Sage. Since they're taking a backseat for Exiles #1-#4. And Sage is supposed to get a new costume in #5.

[Novaya Havoc]

Why shouldn't he be humanized. He is a human character. Why should his real name be some sorta major point of contention, when it's used between friends during down time.


I'm not going to debate this point with you further, Beast. To you, New Exiles is god, and Exiles was just a stepping stone into eventual greatness.

The KEVIN SYDNEY Morph is not the "Morph" of the Exiles, and why?

No humor.
No fun.
No virtue.
No character dynamic.

He's kept as comic relief, and the "naming" of him is a silly attempt for a Claremontian Humanization, the same kind that dissects the "Allison Blair"s and "Anna Ravens" of the comic world.

You want to think this Morph is the greatest thing since sliced bread? Fine. Go ahead. I know you will.

You think Claremont will hold one match via Cat or Sage/Morph to the candle - nay, blowtorch - that was how Winick handled Morph/Mariko throughout his run? You're wrong.

You can debate me all you want on the poignancy of silly name dropping versus emotional resonance, feel free. The readers will decide, and Claremont will lose every. single. time. Claremont can say all he wants that he's "Kevin Syndey -- aka Morph" and try to force him into relationships because he's the wacky do-gooder. The point is that Morph would have left the Exiles to be at home or with his friends.

Would Morph -- the non-"Kevin Sydney" Morph -- stick around when Blink left? TJ? T-Bird? Heather? Would he sit around the Crystal Palace knowing Mariko is dead and helped bury her alongside her lover MJ? Would he forget about the loss of Magik, Magnus, and Namora?

No.

And instead you try to warp CC continuity that somehow it all fits. "Sabretooth is Vic! Morph is Kev! The world is flat, and this is the greatest comic ever!"

People like Lisa, Ron, and I are long-term Exiles fans, and there's a reason why long-term Exiles fans aren't jumping in here saying this is an awesome continuation off of Exiles!

There's also a reason you think that Beak was the best Exile and that this is a great first issue.

We'll see how the sales do by issue #5, "Kevin Sydney" and all.

<3

[Beast]

Actually, I agree with his general point. CC did a lot for X-men and was great for a long time. His stories are not nearly as good now, so I skip his stuff.

I can see why Novaya would be upset though since he was apparently a big fan of Exiles, and now the direction and characterization have changed.
Well, that's his opinion and he's welcome to it. Given I own CC's original run and have recently re-read them alongside his new stuff... there's no signifigant drop in quality in my opinion. I enjoy his current stuff as much if not more than his old stuff. And a heck of a lot more than Brubaker or Whedon. But to each their own.

And that's cool. But I'm also a big longtime Exiles fan. And frankly I think the books finally back on track after the rather mediocre run by Bedard where the shark was not only jumped, but caught and cooked.

[Nachturne]

I find it really hard to take someone seriously when they can't seem to back it up. So come on "long time Exiles fan". Tell us why calling Morph Kevin makes sense within the continuity of what we know about Exiles. Tell us why this new direction CC is taking them in (which...whats the direction now? All we know about them so far is they like to play football and live in the Crystal Palace) is so in line with classic Exiles, using the continuity? You know, make a compelling argument for your case, rather than just spewing nothing with no backing.

Go ahead. Consider it a challenge. I dare you to.

[Beast]

From Newsarama:
New Exiles #1
Writer: Chris Claremont
Artists: Tom Grummett and Scott Hanna
Published by Marvel
Review by Corey Henson

For the past couple of years, it has seemed as if Marvel has had a hard time finding the right spot for Chris Claremont. Claremont has built a loyal fanbase thanks to his work on the X-Men in the eighties, the influence of which is still felt today, so it would be foolish to simply put him out to pasture. But Marvel’s attempts to recapture the old Claremont magic, including two ill-concieved Excalibur relaunches and a couple of returns to the proper X-Men titles, have largely misfired. Finally, with New Exiles, Marvel seems to have found the proper solution: By giving him the Exiles title and filling it with characters he created (with the exception of Morph, a holdover from Judd Winick’s inaugural run), and simply stepping out of the way and letting him do what he does best. Claremont takes the opportunity to set up the title’s new direction without completely disrupting the book’s established status quo. It isn’t in any way a departure from what’s come before, but it’s still got his signature style stamped all over it.

While over the past few years, Claremont has reined in his more excessive tendencies to fit in with more acceptable, modern comic-scripting techniques, here he has no such inhibitions. This issue is packed with expository narration and thought balloons, and Claremont uses them to good effect by dramatically setting up scenes, getting into his character’s heads, and teasing us with future subplots: Sage’s struggle to cope with replacing Roma as guardian of the Omniverse; a potential love triangle between Psylocke, Sabretooth and Mystiq; and possible subterfuge on the part of Cat. It all gives the comic a slightly old-school feel, which will delight longtime fans of Claremont while at the same time alienating those that don’t share the same affection for his work. That last bit’s a shame, but let’s face it, this book is clearly not even trying to convert new readers to Claremont’s fanbase, and that’s perfectly alright. There’s nothing wrong with catering to a specific audience, especially on a book that has no impact on the Marvel Universe at large.

Tom Grummett and Scott Hanna’s artwork adds a nice compliment to the book’s throwback vibe. (Speed lines! Oh, how I have missed thee!) Nothing they do here is flashy, and it doesn’t need to be. Claremont works best with artists who can visualize traditional superhero mayhem and subdued character beats with the same skill. Anyone who has followed Grummett's work over the years knows he can do both, as he excels at capturing emotion on his characters’ faces, and draws a pretty neat-looking superhero to boot. He’s also great at depicting a wide range of ages, which is particular useful for a book filled with young characters like Cat and Rogue, and geezers such as Sabretooth and Mystiq.

Overall, this is a pretty solid start for the new book. Anyone who’s been waiting for Chris Claremont’s return to form should be happy with the results.

[Novaya Havoc]

Who says it pisses me off? I'd simply like to actually be able to talk about the issue without having to dig through endless pages of minor nitpicks about the issue.

Nitpicking isn't just critique, dear.

Nitpicking is also fishing out the good as well as the negative. Nitpicking is nitpicking, regardless of whether it's to defend or critique the title.

Truth (and point) is that Claremont inherited (and cancelled) a 100-issue run to defend his ideas for where it should go.

Treating it as Exiles #101? FAIL.
Ruining Morph? FAIL.
Ruining Sabretooth? FAIL.
Keeping Psylocke away from the 616? FAIL.
Using Sage? 1010100101000010100101000111101101001011011

We'll see how the series is doing by issue 5. I'm expecting high-to-mid-20K's in the sales.

Have fun!

[Pach!]

Yeah this part of the review was great!

That last bit’s a shame, but let’s face it, this book is clearly not even trying to convert new readers to Claremont’s fanbase, and that’s perfectly alright. There’s nothing wrong with catering to a specific audience, especially on a book that has no impact on the Marvel Universe at large.


If you already enjoyed his crappy work, this is more of the same

[Beast]

Treating it as Exiles #101? FAIL.
Ruining Morph? FAIL.
Ruining Sabretooth? FAIL.
Keeping Psylocke away from the 616? FAIL.
Using Sage? 1010100101000010100101000111101101001011011

Have fun!
Every book that gets rebooted usually picks up elements from the last one.
I thought Tony Bedard ruined Morph. I guess CC wrote those issues also.
Given how little focus Sabes got under Bedard, CC's given him a major boost.
He's not keeping Psylocke away from anything. That's Marvel's decision.
Nothing wrong with using Sage. Just because you don't like her, doesn't mean a thing.

I will. Thanks.

[Novaya Havoc]

Yeah this part of the review was great!




If you already enjoyed his crappy work, this is more of the same

LOL! Perfect zing, Andres. I was about to say the same thing!

Most major reviewers give CC a passing "C" as in "If you like CC, you will LIKE! If you don't -- you will NOT!!!"

It's always the case. Even here.

[Novaya Havoc]

Every book that gets rebooted usually picks up elements from the last one.
I thought Tony Bedard ruined Morph. I guess CC wrote those issues also.
Given how little focus Sabes got under Bedard, CC's given him a major boost.


No old Exiles fan believes as much. Point me to ONE, yes ONE, who does. And no, not yourself retroactively piggybacking as the greatest Exiles fan ever.

He's not keeping Psylocke away from anything. That's Marvel's decision.

Not what I heard. I heard that the actual X-Books staff was going to bring Psylocke back, but leave her as a cipher in Exiles. When CC heard, he said he'd walk from Marvel. Resounding vote of confidence from Marvel, eh?
No actual Psylocke fan loves her in Exiles. Find me one.

[Beast]

No old Exiles fan believes as much. Point me to ONE, yes ONE, who does. And no, not yourself retroactively piggybacking as the greatest Exiles fan ever.
Plenty do. Just not in your personal think tank of like minded fans.
Not what I heard. I heard that the actual X-Books staff was going to bring Psylocke back, but leave her as a cipher in Exiles. When CC heard, he said he'd walk from Marvel. Resounding vote of confidence from Marvel, eh? No actual Psylocke fan loves her in Exiles. Find me one.
And that information is inaccurate. Those early plans for her elsewhere changed.

Just like early plans for other characters in other books changed.

And given Psylocke is one of my top five favorite characters, I happen to love where she is.

[metalgorgomon]

Not everyone considers it low quality. Even Newsarama gave it a good review. ;)

I've read some of the reviews as well and many of them give good reviews.
IGN rated it 7.4 (10) and i remember one website recommend it as the book to pick up for the 16 January release.

It's good but not excellent and definitely not crappy. Personally i like New Exiles #1 and looking forward for it's future issues.

[Beast]

I've read some of the reviews as well and many of them give good reviews.
IGN rated it 7.4 (10) and i remember one website recommend it as the book to pick up for the 16 January release.

It's good but not excellent and definitely not crappy. Personally i like New Exiles #1 and looking forward for it's future issues.
Agreed. I really like that CC's going to alternate story lengths and focus.

Arc 1 - 4 Issues (Focusing on Sabretooth, Psylocke, Rogue, and Mystiq)
Arc 2 - 2 Issues (Focusing on Cat, Morph, and Sage)

Then back to a 4 Issue arc again, before another 2 issue arc. 16 issues a year.

The second 4 Issue arc sounds really good so far from what teases CC's dropped.

[Novaya Havoc]

Plenty do. Just not in your personal think tank of like minded fans.

Show me ONE Psylocke fan. Really. Do, Beast. And outside of my "think-tank."

[DeadXMan]

Agreed. I really like that CC's going to alternate story lengths and focus.

Arc 1 - 4 Issues (Focusing on Sabretooth, Psylocke, Rogue, and Mystiq)
Arc 2 - 2 Issues (Focusing on Cat, Morph, and Sage)

Then back to a 4 Issue arc again, before another 2 issue arc. 16 issues a year.

The second 4 Issue arc sounds really good so far from what teases CC's dropped.

what has cc hinted at Beast

[Beast]

Show me ONE Psylocke fan. Really. Do, Beast. And outside of my "think-tank."
Seems to be plenty who don't post here. Gee, I wonder why that is.

[Beast]

what has cc hinted at Beast
Here you go...
Dear Marty -

As things currently stand, covers for (New) Exiles are being handled by Michael Golden -- and, if I do say so myself, are quite lovely. The other nice thing to bear in mind is that, great as these first pages are, Tom gets even better as he goes along.

Second Grummett ark takes place in a world where the Washington was defeated trying to cross the Deleware, Britain won the revolution but lost to Napoleon. The British Monarch lives in North America, sharing the continent with the Indians -- oh yes, and even though it's 2008 the Atlanteans effectively interdict the establishment and deployment of any modern military technology. So, military tech is essentially frozen on or about 1800; anbody steps out of line, the Atlanteans shut down all access to -- and use of -- the oceans by the surface dwellers.

However, super-heroes (and of course, villains) have existed in this world since 1602.

Hopefully, an interesting time will be had by all.

Something to look forward to ...

Chris Claremont
Sounds like it's planned to come out around the same time as the last 1602 Mini-series.

[metalgorgomon]

And given Psylocke is one of my top five favorite characters, I happen to love where she is.

Me too. Unless it's Carey, I like where she's now.
I certainly don't want her to be written by Brubaker.. Not in a team book. But if Brubaker's writing Psylocke's Solo.. I'm definitely in for it.

[DeadXMan]

Here you go...

Sounds like it's planned to come out around the same time as the last 1602 Mini-series.

sweet :cool:

[Novaya Havoc]

Seems to be plenty who don't post here. Gee, I wonder why that is.

The "silent majority" tactic? Oh, hmm.

Remind that PSYLOCKE is in the top three X-Superlative for "MOST MISSED X" even though she's starring in Exiles.

Remind that, uh, no Psylocke fan is coming to your aid that she's so great!

Remind that any Psylocke fan is wishing she'd be in a core title post-MC. Find me ONE who says they prefer her in Exiles over one of the core books.

[Beast]

sweet :cool:
I think so. I'm still hoping we'll see something Old West show up in Exiles. We've had so many other time periods.

[Boogie]

I tried to read New Exiles #1.. but i couldn't get into it. Just seemed too backlogged with previous continuity for me to jump on.

As for CC, i dunno. I tried to stay with him. Heck, for the love of pete (wisdom), i bought 20 issues of New Excalibur, and kept buying saying to myself, perhaps the next arc will be better. And it never happened.

[Brian Cronin]

Better to just do these all at once - saves me the trouble of doing multiple PMS...

1. I don't like the whole "the book is going to sell poorly!" routine. New Exiles #6 will probably sell about five times as many copies (and that is a LOW estimate) of Skyscrapers of the Midwest #4. Would I ever dream of saying, "Wow, Skyscrapers of the Midwest, you must not be a good comic!"? Of course not. I'm not saying it is unimportant how much a book sells, but bringing it up as a criticism of a writer just seems so gauche to me.

Especially when you have so much GOOD criticism to use.

2. If anyone is seriously talking shit about this thread and/or CBR on some other forum, let me know. I'll gladly ban them.

3. Don't bring up other creators, for comparison purpose.

4. Blade X - you haven't done the ol' insult thing before, so you'll just get a warning. Don't do it again, though.

5. dnewton - Pester another poster by e-mail or PM again, and you're gone from CBR.

6. There is no #6

7. Don't use the ol' "If you don't like the book, don't read it" thing. That is weak.

8. Don't tell folks not to complain about something period.

Okay, if I see violations of my various "don't do that" stuff, I dunno, I'll probably just delete them, but I may ban you, too - so be forewarned!

Other than that, just talk about the issue! Enjoy!

-Brian

[worstblogever]

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Other than that, just talk about the issue! Enjoy!

-Brian

Sabretooth was very tall.

*pauses, waits for fallout*

Okay, good. Sabretooth needs to work on his game, because slapping a leash-like bracelet on a girl isn't a great way to flirt.

*pauses*

Okay, so far so good. While seeing Sabretooth-295 getting the position of leader of the New Exiles is good, it's important to remember his track record... the only other team he ever led was Weapon X(iles). And that didn't end so well. I don't think he's going to be in the position for long, either via character death, or just making way for Sage/Psylocke at some point soon.

*pauses*

So long as he doesn't surf again, or ballroom dance, there's a good chance he might flow into what I'd expect from the character. We'll see if he's at all indifferent from Claremont's Wolverine in the coming issues, I suppose.

And... that's civil discussion... right?

[AdamWarlock']

The KEVIN SYDNEY Morph is not the "Morph" of the Exiles, and why?

No humor.
No fun.
No virtue.
No character dynamic.

He's kept as comic relief, and the "naming" of him is a silly attempt for a Claremontian Humanization, the same kind that dissects the "Allison Blair"s and "Anna Ravens" of the comic world.

You can debate me all you want on the poignancy of silly name dropping versus emotional resonance, feel free. The readers will decide, and Claremont will lose every. single. time. Claremont can say all he wants that he's "Kevin Syndey -- aka Morph" and try to force him into relationships because he's the wacky do-gooder. The point is that Morph would have left the Exiles to be at home or with his friends.

Would Morph -- the non-"Kevin Sydney" Morph -- stick around when Blink left? TJ? T-Bird? Heather? Would he sit around the Crystal Palace knowing Mariko is dead and helped bury her alongside her lover MJ? Would he forget about the loss of Magik, Magnus, and Namora?

No.

And instead you try to warp CC continuity that somehow it all fits. "Sabretooth is Vic! Morph is Kev!"

People like Lisa, Ron, and I are long-term Exiles fans, and there's a reason why long-term Exiles fans aren't jumping in here saying this is an awesome continuation off of Exiles!

We'll see how the sales do by issue #5, "Kevin Sydney" and all.

<3
I agree with you pretty much straight through Novaya. The real Morph would never do these things...

He really doesn't refer to himself as Kevin very often... more than anything he see's himself as "Morph," not the guy who is also known as Morph. When he introduces himself... its not "Hi, I'm Kevin Sydney, nice to meet you." ... its "Hi, I'm Morph." Even when everyone around him introduces themselves with their real names (or both names). I think it stems from the fact that he's so different... he was born the way he was and he's never been quite "human" (despite being one of the most human characters out there). He's also one of those that kinda stretch the definition of "mutant." Especially since he has been a living lump of unstable molecules in "human" form since birth...

Of course this is all severely complicated by the fact that "Morph" is dead... The "Morph" we have now is just somebody who thinks he's "Morph." And this is the only reason why I can forgive CC's mis-writing of him... the B-Mod device was damaged and little bits of the other Kevin (and the personalities he absorbed may be leaking through one drop at a time... few have beaten the B-mod device, but it has been done before)... Bedard at least kept him as the Morph we all loved... even after Proteus killed him. But since CC came aboard he's been off... and as I described elsewhere, he's been sort of "old timey" in his humor and sight gags... with little in the way of modern references or the silly nature or passion he used to employ.

The real "Morph" would prefer to be called Morph over Kev...
Proteus though... he longed to be called Kevin by his mother and father (or even called/loved at all by his parents)...

[ImpulseUCF]

I agree with you pretty much straight through Novaya. The real Morph would never do these things...

He really doesn't refer to himself as Kevin very often... more than anything he see's himself as "Morph," not the guy who is also known as Morph. When he introduces himself... its not "Hi, I'm Kevin Sydney, nice to meet you." ... its "Hi, I'm Morph." Even when everyone around him introduces themselves with their real names (or both names). I think it stems from the fact that he's so different... he was born the way he was and he's never been quite "human" (despite being one of the most human characters out there). He's also one of those that kinda stretch the definition of "mutant." Especially since he has been a living lump of unstable molecules in "human" form since birth...

Of course this is all severely complicated by the fact that "Morph" is dead... The "Morph" we have now is just somebody who thinks he's "Morph." And this is the only reason why I can forgive CC's mis-writing of him... the B-Mod device was damaged and little bits of the other Kevin (and the personalities he absorbed may be leaking through one drop at a time... few have beaten the B-mod device, but it has been done before)... Bedard at least kept him as the Morph we all loved... even after Proteus killed him. But since CC came aboard he's been off... and as I described elsewhere, he's been sort of "old timey" in his humor and sight gags... with little in the way of modern references or the silly nature or passion he used to employ.

The real "Morph" would prefer to be called Morph over Kev...
Proteus though... he longed to be called Kevin by his mother and father (or even called/loved at all by his parents)...Hey Adam, welcome to CBR! :)

Two things.

One: I disagree that Morph is necessarily dead just because he is possessed. I prefer to think of him as suppressed since they went to such lengths to emphasize his unstable molecules do not degrade and the fact that Beak's Angel was restored.

Two: While preferring to be called "Kevin" as a sign of Proteus emerging would make for a great story beat, I doubt CC did that intentionally. More likely the tried and true CC tactic of showing the team has become a "family" because they use first names.

[Brian Cronin]

I dunno, in this instance, the whole "Morph is going by Kevin now because of Proteus" thing makes so much sense that I think we ought to give Claremont the benefit of the doubt that it IS intentional.

At the very least, someone should tell Claremont, so he can pretend that was his idea all along, even if it wasn't! :)

-Brian

[Flâneur]

Better to just do these all at once - saves me the trouble of doing multiple PMS...

1. I don't like the whole "the book is going to sell poorly!" routine. New Exiles #6 will probably sell about five times as many copies (and that is a LOW estimate) of Skyscrapers of the Midwest #4. Would I ever dream of saying, "Wow, Skyscrapers of the Midwest, you must not be a good comic!"? Of course not. I'm not saying it is unimportant how much a book sells, but bringing it up as a criticism of a writer just seems so gauche to me.

Especially when you have so much GOOD criticism to use.

2. If anyone is seriously talking shit about this thread and/or CBR on some other forum, let me know. I'll gladly ban them.

3. Don't bring up other creators, for comparison purpose.

4. Blade X - you haven't done the ol' insult thing before, so you'll just get a warning. Don't do it again, though.

5. dnewton - Pester another poster by e-mail or PM again, and you're gone from CBR.

6. There is no #6

7. Don't use the ol' "If you don't like the book, don't read it" thing. That is weak.

8. Don't tell folks not to complain about something period.

Okay, if I see violations of my various "don't do that" stuff, I dunno, I'll probably just delete them, but I may ban you, too - so be forewarned!

Other than that, just talk about the issue! Enjoy!

-Brian

I love you big daddy BC, is that legal in your state?

[ImpulseUCF]

Finally read the issue....

Clunky expository dialog? Nothing new.
Sabretooth read slightly less like 616 80s Logan
Morph is still off (can blame this on PRoteus, I suppose)
SAge...still don't care
Cat, Rogue, Mystiq...meh, we'll see

Reasonably solid for nu-Claremont work, but without the inherent fun of this third Uncanny run. Leagues better than NEX and BbtS.

Overall: 6.5 - 7.0 (B-/C+)
At the very least, someone should tell Claremont, so he can pretend that was his idea all along, even if it wasn't! :)

-BrianHeheh. He has a nice setup to play off of if he catches up.

[Jack Flash]

Better to just do these all at once - saves me the trouble of doing multiple PMS...

1. I don't like the whole "the book is going to sell poorly!" routine. New Exiles #6 will probably sell about five times as many copies (and that is a LOW estimate) of Skyscrapers of the Midwest #4. Would I ever dream of saying, "Wow, Skyscrapers of the Midwest, you must not be a good comic!"? Of course not. I'm not saying it is unimportant how much a book sells, but bringing it up as a criticism of a writer just seems so gauche to me.

Especially when you have so much GOOD criticism to use.

2. If anyone is seriously talking shit about this thread and/or CBR on some other forum, let me know. I'll gladly ban them.

3. Don't bring up other creators, for comparison purpose.

4. Blade X - you haven't done the ol' insult thing before, so you'll just get a warning. Don't do it again, though.

5. dnewton - Pester another poster by e-mail or PM again, and you're gone from CBR.

6. There is no #6

7. Don't use the ol' "If you don't like the book, don't read it" thing. That is weak.

8. Don't tell folks not to complain about something period.

Okay, if I see violations of my various "don't do that" stuff, I dunno, I'll probably just delete them, but I may ban you, too - so be forewarned!

Other than that, just talk about the issue! Enjoy!

-Brian

I forget what 8 was for!

[Joe Acro]

That's what I'm saying though. It's nitpicky, yes, but also a very glaring change from the previous 100 issues of the series. We had 100 issues where he was called Morph, even ones CC wrote, but now he's Kevin? What makes these new people so different they call him Kevin? In short, WTF.It was just Cat, right? I don't think there's something that would make her "different" in this regard, save perhaps a small personality trait--like calling teammates or friends by their first name. She does only call him that while they're alone, right?

And I'm aware he mentioned it, I stated he did. Once.If you did it in that post, I must've missed it. Sorry.

If the book had no other issues, was a good read with great characterization, and an interesting plot that was worthy of the relaunch and the "New" title, then the Kevin thing could be forgiven. But add it to the rest of the problems? And its just one more thing Claremont didn't get right.But see, I actually had few other problems. So, I guess I am more forgiving.

Also going by the issue...

Cat calls him Kevin once, then calls him Morph during the game.
Rogue only ever calls him Morph.
Sabretooth only ever calls him Morph.

It's nitpicky to act like noone can ever call him Kevin, given that's his name.That's a pretty good breakdown there.

[Ann Nichols]

Read NE #1 today. Things I didn't like about the issue:

1. I really, really wish that Mr. Claremont had left out the last narrative box on the title page. It's the kind of remark within a new title that makes me cringe.

2. Sue had spent most of the Storm fortune???? What about Johnny's share???

3. I'm impatient for someone to confront Cat about her refusal to say what kind of Earth she comes from.

4. Cat needs to be taught some manners.

5. Cat's nasty smile when Sage fell. I don't like this brat.

6. I don't like this Rogue much, either. I hope she was saying her thoughts aloud to disarm Victor because a snoop who who habitually says her thoughts aloud is a twit.

7. Sabes slapping that tallus on Betsy without her permission. He's acting like an elementary school boy trying to get the attention of the girl he likes.

8. Sabes' exclamation about the little punk being totally dead -- unless he was joking.

Things I liked about the issue:

1. Mistiq discreetly eyeing Psylocke on the title page.

2. Morph's smile.

3. Morph's expression when he charges Cat after she catches the football.

4. beefed-up Morph's expression

5. It was nice to see Sage actually happy for a moment.

6. Victor's thoughts about Mystiq made me laugh.

7. Mystiq wears a vest and can cook!

8. Betsy mentioning that Brian wins at chess because relying almost exclusively on instinct isn't something I admire.

9. Victor wondering if he's going to have to learn to dance made me laugh.

10. LOLed at Morph in classic "Star Trek" uniform -- nice to see that his shirt wasn't red.

11. Mystiq didn't put on a costume. I could use a little eye candy.

12. Love the Mini-Marvel Sabretooth on the letters page! (And the fact that there will be a letters page.)

Overall, I liked the issue and plan to get #2.

[xmanson]

Betsy and Creed dating would be gross and interesting at the same time.

Does he know all his 616 counterpart did to her?

[Beast]

Betsy and Creed dating would be gross and interesting at the same time.

Does he know all his 616 counterpart did to her?
I like the idea of the two of them having a fling at least. And yeah, she explained it to him.

[Beast]

Betsy and Creed dating would be gross and interesting at the same time.

Does he know all his 616 counterpart did to her?
I like the idea of the two of them having a fling at least. And yeah, she explained it to him.

[worstblogever]

Betsy and Creed dating would be gross and interesting at the same time.

Does he know all his 616 counterpart did to her?

http://www.comicvine.com/comic/the-uncanny-x-men/3092/42004/&i=12292

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/vol/4000/3092/3092-42004-1-uncanny-x-men-the_400.jpg

He pretty much disemboweled her, and put her on life support badly enough that she had to be kept alive via the magic of the Crimson Dawn, and nearly ended up the concubine of the master of the Crimson Dawn... Ebon. Shiny, happy memories. Don't think she's revealed the extent of them to Victor from 295, just yet. The attack, yes. The gory details, no.

[Beast]

Betsy and Creed dating would be gross and interesting at the same time.

Does he know all his 616 counterpart did to her?
I like the idea of the two of them having a fling at least. And yeah, she explained it to him.

[jester1436]

The idea of Psylocke hooking up with any version of Sabretooth is kind of gross. It's like dating your abuser or rapist, even if it's not the same version, it's creepy.

Of course, Psylocke dating Mystiq is kind of creepy too. Blech.

[Daithi]

7. Mystiq wears a vest and can cook!

You weren't expecting a woman to cook in a book written by CC were you?

[Sean Whitmore]

7. Sabes slapping that tallus on Betsy without her permission. He's acting like an elementary school boy trying to get the attention of the girl he likes.

I actually think that's what the scene was going for. The super-powered equivalent of a boy pulling a girl's pigtails. So I was fine with what Sabes did.

The fact that Betsy got over it so quick was pretty dumb.


9. Victor wondering if he's going to have to learn to dance made me laugh.

That was a cute bit.


SEAN

[Beast]

You weren't expecting a woman to cook in a book written by CC were you?
Something wrong with men cooking? Check out Food Network. Male chefs dominate.

Plus there's a reason Rafael cooks. That's right, Mystiq is actually...

http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/entree/img/jan05/chef0126_big.jpg

[Daithi]

Something wrong with men cooking? Check out Food Network. Male chefs dominate.

No of course not. Much like there's nothing wrong with the women folk hunting animals for food so the menfolk can cook it. However Mystiq hasn't a patch on Bishop for his culinary delights.

[Ann Nichols]

May we hope that Betsy has just shelved the problem until later?

Just clicked on and read "Civil Crisis" -- I loved it! LOL!!

[Brent1974]

Okay, normally, I do them - but I'll allow that Jack's take on the issue was fair enough, so I'll let this one stay up!

As for my thoughts on the issue, quickly enough - I thought that it was silly to see the FF be revisited AGAIN, and there was WAY too much continuity for a "brand new start," so I wouldn't really recommend the issue, but it was an improvement over Claremont's Exiles run so far, so if he could only trim down on the old plots a bit and concentrate on the NEW stuff, I think this could be a good comic.

This first issue, though - Not Recommended.

-Brian

I just recieved mine in the mail today. I loved it. The only problem I had with it, it was a little to wordy, alot of the opening and internal monologues were just so long.

But all in all my thoughts are, Cat is going to either fall for Morph, or betray the team. I don't know what it is but I like Sage alot more now than in the mainstream x-verse. I hate this Rogue, I don't know she just seems like a irritant.

Can't wait for issue two :D

[DDM]

I just recieved mine in the mail today. I loved it. The only problem I had with it, it was a little to wordy, alot of the opening and internal monologues were just so long.

But all in all my thoughts are, Cat is going to either fall for Morph, or betray the team. I don't know what it is but I like Sage alot more now than in the mainstream x-verse. I hate this Rogue, I don't know she just seems like a irritant.

Can't wait for issue two :D

This Rogue comes from wealth & splendor, although it may not be as noticable yet. She also seems to hate Mystiq. I also like her reticent behavior.

[Brent1974]

This Rogue comes from wealth & splendor, although it may not be as noticable yet. She also seems to hate Mystiq. I also like her reticent behavior.

Well, my only exposure to her is this issue and couple from the tail end of the last. I need to get caught up :D

Maybe she will grow on me :D

I do like Cat though and see seems to have something about her that isn't quite right heh.

[Sandy Hausler]

Just wondering. Has it been forgotten that Morph is, at present, the brainwashed Proteus. When it was last mentioned, the Exiles were doing a regular brainwash job on him. Now only Sabretooth remains from the old team (aside from Morph), so the rest of the team doesn't even know of the potential danger Morph represents.

As to this issue -- feh. I could do without all the bonding stuff. Read Exiles #1. That's the way to start a series like this. I mean, heck, these guys have had a number of issues of the old series to bond.

Sandy Hausler

[CmX]

Just wondering. Has it been forgotten that Morph is, at present, the brainwashed Proteus. When it was last mentioned, the Exiles were doing a regular brainwash job on him. Now only Sabretooth remains from the old team (aside from Morph), so the rest of the team doesn't even know of the potential danger Morph represents.

As to this issue -- feh. I could do without all the bonding stuff. Read Exiles #1. That's the way to start a series like this. I mean, heck, these guys have had a number of issues of the old series to bond.

Sandy Hausler

The last time it was brought up was during the Die by the Sword mini. This is a really dangerous plotline and the team walked on eggshells during Bedard's run now it's rarely mentioned and doesn't seem very important.

God knows if CC will ever get around to it or even plans to. Wouldn't surprise me if he chose to just ignore it all together.

[Beast]

The last time it was brought up was during the Die by the Sword mini. This is a really dangerous plotline and the team walked on eggshells during Bedard's run now it's rarely mentioned and doesn't seem very important.

God knows if CC will ever get around to it or even plans to. Wouldn't surprise me if he chose to just ignore it all together.
He's already promised it's going to be dealt with. It wouldn't be refrenced otherwise.

[Sandy Hausler]

He's already promised it's going to be dealt with. It wouldn't be refrenced otherwise.


I'm not sure I understand. Where has Claremont promised to deal with the Morph/Proteus issue and where has it been referenced since he (Claremont) came on board?

Sandy Hausler

[Beast]

I'm not sure I understand. Where has Claremont promised to deal with the Morph/Proteus issue and where has it been referenced since he (Claremont) came on board?

Sandy Hausler
Several times in Exiles #90-#100. And in Die By the Sword. And on Comix-Fan.

[Disco Jess Minge]

Several times in Exiles #90-#100. And in Die By the Sword. And on Comix-Fan.

I've never seen this. Can I have issue numbers or maybe scans of the panels?

[jester1436]

I think the times it might have been mentioned were when Psylocke destroys the device that keeps the Morph persona dominate over the Proteus one and then in DBTS when Morph starts slipping into Proteus speak while fighting Jaspers or something.

Honestly, it seems like these would be very important issues to cover, not "Oh well, let's go adventure even though Morph has a powerful reality warping psycho inside him."

[Beast]

Don't forget Blink and Sabretooth watching a computer simulation of what could happen if Proteus ever regains control over Morph's body in the very first issue of CC's run. It's seeded throught the series. And even before CC took over, they were going on missions even though Morph had Proteus in his head. It's not new. Heh.

[cgar]

reality warpers can't effect Betsy anymore Right? because of what jamie did

[jester1436]

Don't forget Blink and Sabretooth watching a computer simulation of what could happen if Proteus ever regains control over Morph's body in the very first issue of CC's run. It's seeded throught the series. And even before CC took over, they were going on missions even though Morph had Proteus in his head. It's not new. Heh.

I know, but they were controlling Proteus with that mind control device before CC came on, and it's been destroyed since Psylocke showed up under CC. They have no precautions in place now as before, which should make it just little more important than it was before. The situation is now more dire under Claremont than it was under Bedard and should be addressed sooner than later.

[DDM]

reality warpers can't effect Betsy anymore Right? because of what jamie did

Correct. Betsy cannot be altered by other reality warpers other than Jamie Braddock; her mind is also closed to telepaths. This is why Mojo & Spiral could not change Betsy in their previous encounter in Uncanny X-Men.

[d newton]

Going a bit off topic for a moment - how am I going to contact people if I can't use e-mails or PM's (see rule 5)?

[Sean Whitmore]

Going a bit off topic for a moment - how am I going to contact people if I can't use e-mails or PM's (see rule 5)?

If it's someone who wants to hear from you, the rule doesn't apply.

If it's someone who doesn't...you don't.


SEAN

[Pach!]

What Sean said.

[Brian Cronin]

Going a bit off topic for a moment - how am I going to contact people if I can't use e-mails or PM's (see rule 5)?

Feel free to contact people. Just if they tell you not to, stop it.

-Brian

[DeadXMan]

I've never seen this. Can I have issue numbers or maybe scans of the panels?

oh littles tibbit here and there like any CC backstory, like:

the similations the old team had
the fact metal isn't effecting him
the head gear breaking
and the narration of him fighting jespers.

[Ann Nichols]

From my recap of "X-Men: Die by the Sword" #3:


PAGE TWENTY:

[Clarice hurls two more of her "javelins" into Jaspers eyes! :ugh: They're sticking out of his eyesockets and the back of his head. Is it because he's temporarily blind that Jaspers is wearing a nice, plain blue suit with a golden yellow shirt?]

(NARRATIVE BOXES): For Clarice Ferguson, these moments take her back to the days she spent by Sabretooth's side on an Earth swept by war. In that place, in those dark days, the reality of life was kill or be killed. :no:

[Victor punches Jaspers on the chin. Although the "javelins" are still in his head, Jaspers has changed to a purple checked suit with a black-spotted yellow vest/waistcoat. :ugh: The silly little purple derby hat on his head is knocked off by the force of the blow.]

(NARRATIVE BOXES): To simply survive in that awful place... ... no one could have a better teacher than Sabretooth.

[We can see the veins on John's foreaem as he punches Jaspers in the face. Jaspers' suit has become a much more bearable golden tan with thin double black stripes.]

(NARRATIVE BOXES): Thunderbird was shaped by the Apocalypse of a different dimension, but who was no less cruel a creature. Physically, he can never return to the face and body he was born with. But in a very primal way, this merciless exercise of raw power is his way of coming to terms with the awfulness of what was... ...and the transcendent of what might yet be.

[Kevin and John apparently punching Jaspers into the ground at the same time -- I believe that Victor is jumping on Jaspers.]

(NARRATIVE BOXES): Morph has no nightmare memories to drive him -- --none at least that are his. But as he tears into Jaspers with a ferocity that's totally unlike him.... ...he can't help but wonder where in came from... ...what it means... ...and why deep down inside, it feels so good. :hmmm:

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From the spotlight on Blink: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=104&page=2

Suggested order for reading about the Age of Apocalypse: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/time/showquestion.asp?faq=13&fldAuto=58

TPB reprint info: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/current/tpb2.asp?ID=223

A derby hat is also known as a bowler hat: http://www.answers.com/topic/bowler-hat

John and Kevin's pasts were mentioned in "Exiles" #1.

Issue summary of "Exiles" #1: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=254
Reprinted in Exiles: Down the Rabbit Hole TPB, ISBN-10: 0785108335 & ISBN-13: 978-0785108337 (issues 1-4)

Kevin was merged with Proteus: http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?t=28393
********

[DeadXMan]

yes that's it

Thank you Ann

:)

[d newton]

New Excalibur 1 to 8 & 16 to 24 were good, the rest - not so much.

[CmX]

I know, but they were controlling Proteus with that mind control device before CC came on, and it's been destroyed since Psylocke showed up under CC. They have no precautions in place now as before, which should make it just little more important than it was before. The situation is now more dire under Claremont than it was under Bedard and should be addressed sooner than later.

I agree. Knowing CC he'll probably try to make this some huge subplot and save it for like #50 or something and the title will be canned by then and never resolved.

Just saying, :P

[CmX]

New Excalibur 1 to 8 & 16 to 24 were good, the rest - not so much.

How weird! Cause I loved #9 to #15.

[d newton]

How weird! Cause I loved #9 to #15.
Weren't those so boring people couldn't remember what happened in them?

[CmX]

Weren't those so boring people couldn't remember what happened in them?

No sweetness, those were the issues where the team time traveled and even met up with Chamber! Not to mention we learned some gruesome details on Juggernaut's past.

You're getting confused with the horrible abortion that was the last arc which was a dreadful seven long issues that hardly made sense and was completely and utterly ridiculous.

Diana Fox? No thank you!

[metalgorgomon]

No sweetness, those were the issues where the team time traveled and even met up with Chamber! Not to mention we learned some gruesome details on Juggernaut's past.

You're getting confused with the horrible abortion that was the last arc which was a dreadful seven long issues that hardly made sense and was completely and utterly ridiculous.

Diana Fox? No thank you!

I Think Issue #16 and #17 was great (Fallen Friend-Nocture's Stroke).

THe Last arc was pretty bad with the exception of the earlier issues (#18-20). The story could've been great but it was streched too long.. It could've been condensed into 4-5 issues.

[Sean Whitmore]

Weren't those so boring people couldn't remember what happened in them?

They were.

But on the plus side, Albion and the Shadow X-Men weren't in them, so call it a wash.


SEAN

[d newton]

No sweetness, those were the issues where the team time traveled and even met up with Chamber! Not to mention we learned some gruesome details on Juggernaut's past.

You're getting confused with the horrible abortion that was the last arc which was a dreadful seven long issues that hardly made sense and was completely and utterly ridiculous.

Diana Fox? No thank you!
"Huggernaut's gone bad again? Oh noes! Chambpoclyse?". :p

[CmX]

"Huggernaut's gone bad again? Oh noes! Chambpoclyse?". :p

Yeah about as repetitive as all the mind control plots during NEX or the overly used "what the devil !?" per issue.

[Brian Cronin]

New Excalibur 1 to 8 & 16 to 24 were good, the rest - not so much.

And this is why we don't randomly bring up other comics in the discussion of a different comic book. It derails the discussion of the comic we're supposed to be talking about.

-Brian

[Josef F.]

I re-read.
I have comments.

I think there needs to be different characters.
I'm enjoying Mystiq. Not the Q though. MEGA LAME Q
I don't GET Cat. It seems a bit like "
Oh shadowcat's probably gonna kick it, REPLACEMENT TIME"
And i don't like Baka Rogue.
I think there should be some more random charcters in it,
I think it was at it's peak when it took a crazy oath with them.
Crazy namora, Lesbian sunfire and Ilyana.
Pretty underused characters, and they were revitalised

If some new guys were brought in somehow.
I reckon it'd improve the book no end.

Oh, and i want the real morph back.
Proteus can dissolve or something.
I MISS him

I'm pleased to see psylocke around, but i feel she's not really. . .doing anything.

Sabertooth was really creepy in that issue.
It as interesting.

And diana fox can shoo.
I much prefer 733t "I AM INDOMITABLE" sage.

:)

[Beast]

New Exiles #1 Sells Out, Returns With New Printing…And New Exiles #0!

Marvel is pleased to announce that New Exiles #1, from legendary X-Men writer Chris Claremont and fan-favorite artist Tom Grummett, has sold out at Diamond! Introducing an all-new, all-different group of your favorite X-Men from different universes, New Exiles sets these guardians of reality on a quest that they may not survive! Just what world have they crashed on? And how is it connected to the failure of that world’s would-be Fantastic Four?

To meet the overwhelming demand for this issue, Marvel is going back to press with New Exiles #1 Second Printing Variant, featuring the interior art of Tom Grummett on a new cover!

But, True Believer…there’s more! Enter the double-sized New Exiles #0, reprinting key stories from Exiles #100 and Exiles: Days Of Then & Now, plus other bonus material! Perfect for fans new and old alike, this special provides a look into key moments from the Exiles’ past and sets the stage for a major story that will rock their world (and multiple universes) in 2008!

The New Exiles have finally come together as a team, but on their first mission, will they all make it back alive? Don’t miss a single issue of New Exiles as this team boldly launches into an all-new, all-different era!

NEW EXILES #0
Written by CHRIS CLAREMONT & MIKE RAICHT
Pencils by TOM GRUMMETT, ZACH HOWARD, ARNOLD PANDER, WAYNE NICHOLS, MARIO GULLY, PAUL AZACETA & CARLOS FERREIRA
Cover by VARIOUS
Rated A …$4.99
On-Sale—2/27/08

NEW EXILES #1 SECOND PRINTING VARIANT
Written by CHRIS CLAREMONT
Penciled by TOM GRUMMETT
Cover by TOM GRUMMETT
Rated A …$2.99
On-Sale—2/27/08


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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/NewExiles1-1.jpg

[Excelsior]

Great news!! Thanks for posting that beast!

[ImpulseUCF]

Interesting news. Repubilshing Exiles # 100 and the one-shot that JUST CAME OUT seems like shameless cashing in to me, but whatever. If it works.

[Beast]

Interesting news. Repubilshing Exiles # 100 and the one-shot that JUST CAME OUT seems like shameless cashing in to me, but whatever. If it works.
Both have sold out at Diamond as well, and were pretty popular.

Issue #100 got a big sales boost even.

[ImpulseUCF]

Did they? Huh. Interesting. Well, if there is a demand for it, then by all means, Marvel should sell it I wouldn't turn down a license to print money. :)

[CmX]

Everyone on the cover to #0 looks so depressed! Even TJ is crying, haha

[Beast]

Everyone on the cover to #0 looks so depressed! Even TJ is crying, haha
Those images of the old cast were just lifted from old Exiles art.

[CmX]

Those images of the old cast were just lifted from old Exiles art.

I'm quite aware of that. It was a joke buddy.

[Novaya Havoc]

I don't believe that for a hot second. My LCS (and it's a big comic store) barely moved copies at all from the racks.

I expect it's PR inflation due to a low print circ. Exiles 100 got a sales boost, sure (final issues usually do, especially on a title lasting so long), but I doubt by any stretch that the sales figs will top 55K (60K max -- and I mean maaaax).

I think it's PR inflation. Why else do an "New Exiles #0"? They're banking on reprints -- because lord knows neither New Exiles #1 NOR Exiles Days of Then And Now warranted a reprint.

It'll be interesting to see what the sales figures are, but I'll bet my bottom dollar this this is a PR-push with lowered print expectations.

[Pach!]

I guess time will tell either way.

[DDM]

I don't believe that for a hot second. My LCS (and it's a big comic store) barely moved copies at all from the racks.

I expect it's PR inflation due to a low print circ. Exiles 100 got a sales boost, sure (final issues usually do, especially on a title lasting so long), but I doubt by any stretch that the sales figs will top 55K (60K max -- and I mean maaaax).

I think it's PR inflation. Why else do an "New Exiles #0"? They're banking on reprints -- because lord knows neither New Exiles #1 NOR Exiles Days of Then And Now warranted a reprint.

It'll be interesting to see what the sales figures are, but I'll bet my bottom dollar this this is a PR-push with lowered print expectations.

Are you just bitter because Dazzler (volume 2) has not been released?

[Pach!]

Are you just bitter because Dazzler (volume 2) has not been released?

This is not a Novaya thread or a Dazzler thread.

[Sean Whitmore]

This is not a Novaya thread or a Dazzler thread.

Give him a break, it's a step up from posting pictures of toilet bowls.


SEAN

[Novaya Havoc]

Are you just bitter because Dazzler (volume 2) has not been released?

No -- I just don't buy it. Rarely do you see any X-Title (especially a new one) sell out of stock, and New Exiles has had little buzz and mediocre reviews.

New Excalibur didn't sell out and go to reprint; neither did X-Factor. And two weeks later my LCS has an abundance of copies (along with DBTS and even some NEX).

I say it had a lower print/circ expectation and "sold out" based on that.

If not, hey, I'll eat some crow and give kudos on the sales.

But I just don't buy that it met some fantastic sales figure. If it exceeded Marvel's print/circ expectation -- kudos. I'd just like to see what that expectation was.

[worstblogever]

Are you just bitter because Dazzler (volume 2) has not been released?

Haven't we been asked in this thread to not question the motivations of other poster's comments or reviews? Obey the Cronin.

[altariel]

While I was able to get Exiles 100 and New Exiles #1 the one shot was sold out, so I'm glad it's being reprinted. I'm curious to see what the extras will be.

[Liberty Belle Fan]

I'm surprised that this discussion has reached upwards of 350 posts.

I reread my issue of NE #1 and I'm still sticking by my earlier comments - I like this book and I don't plan on quitting anytime soon. The new solicits for April only make me that much more intrigued to see where this title is going.

[Blade X]

I don't believe that for a hot second. My LCS (and it's a big comic store) barely moved copies at all from the racks.

I expect it's PR inflation due to a low print circ. Exiles 100 got a sales boost, sure (final issues usually do, especially on a title lasting so long), but I doubt by any stretch that the sales figs will top 55K (60K max -- and I mean maaaax).

I think it's PR inflation. Why else do an "New Exiles #0"? They're banking on reprints -- because lord knows neither New Exiles #1 NOR Exiles Days of Then And Now warranted a reprint.

It'll be interesting to see what the sales figures are, but I'll bet my bottom dollar this this is a PR-push with lowered print expectations.

You're partly right. NEW EXILES #1 did sell out from Diamond. However, as the lack of sales of the book at your LCS has shown, the book did not sell out at all comic shops.

This is less of a PR inflation of sales, and more of a PR stunt in order to boost pre-order sales on upcoming issues of NE. Remember, Marvel (and DC) have a "no over print" policy (they only over print enough to cover potential damages) on MOST of their books. So MOST Marvel (and DC books) sell out at Diamond.

If I was to hazard a guess on how well NE #1 sold, I would say it sold between 30k and 35k copies.

At the comic shop I work at, we ordered 30 copies of NE #1 and sold 22. Which is around our normal sales for EXILES.

[DeadXMan]

yes but the LCS is to much of an (pardon the pun) x factor

there's about 8 shops in my area
what sell out in may not sell out at another.

I'll wait for the Numbers

[Sean Whitmore]

The "how many copies my shop has" argument is bullshit.

Person 1: My shop sold out on the first day!

Person 2: My shop has a huge stack left over a week later.

Congratulations! The two of you canceled each other's points out. Thanks for wasting our time.


SEAN

[DeadXMan]

The "how many copies my shop has" argument is bullshit.

Person 1: My shop sold out on the first day!

Person 2: My shop has a huge stack left over a week later.

Congratulations! The two of you canceled each other's points out. Thanks for wasting our time.


SEAN

yeah like i just said
minis the lewis black impersonation

[Sean Whitmore]

yeah like i just said
minis the lewis black impersonation

That's what we old pros call "Irishing up a point".

You'll learn. Someday.


SEAN

[DeadXMan]

I don't need to be irisihed up

My last name is Hagan

[Blade X]

yes but the LCS is to much of an (pardon the pun) x factor

there's about 8 shops in my area
what sell out in may not sell out at another.

I'll wait for the Numbers

I agree. Which was pretty much my whole point to begin with.

[metalgorgomon]

OMG, Just heard the news on New Exiles #0. Kudos on the sellout of New Exiles #1. Both are great news.
Hope there are more than just reprint of Exiles#100 and Now and then in New Exiles#0

[CmX]

OMG, Just heard the news on New Exiles #0. Kudos on the sellout of New Exiles #1. Both are great news.
Hope there are more than just reprint of Exiles#100 and Now and then in New Exiles#0

Just because something sells out doesn't mean it sold ship loads.

For all we know Marvel only printed about 40k copies and Diamond sold out. Doesn't mean every comic shop in the U.S. is completely out of New Exiles #1.

But we won't know for certain until actual numbers are released.

[worstblogever]

Just because something sells out doesn't mean it sold ship loads.

For all we know Marvel only printed about 40k copies and Diamond sold out. Doesn't mean every comic shop in the U.S. is completely out of New Exiles #1.

But we won't know for certain until actual numbers are released.

Yeah, let's wait until the final sales numbers are out for January before we start claiming New Exiles is a huge success.

In fact... all #1 issues get a sales bump on a relaunch. It's when we see the numbers for #2, #3, and #4 that we'll know if this thing's doing well.

To quote the Wolf in Pulp Fiction, "Let's not go ******* each other's ****s just yet..."

[metalgorgomon]

It doesn't really matter for me whether New Exiles sells out or not. What really matter is whether or not I enjoy the book. And I enjoy New Exiles #1. And hopefully the next issues will be as enjoyable, maybe more, than #1.

[Siddon]

I actually got scammed into this book by Marvel. I was told by email that 1 title I subscribed to was cancelled (New Excalibur with issue 100) and that my sub was going to be switched to X-men. I thought well this is weird I had no idea if they were talking about Exiles or New Excalibur, so I sent an email and they never got back to me.

Exiles 100 comes out and I don't get it in the mail for two weeks, so I figured they just cancelled my subscribtion and that was my credit. So its a light week and only 1 or 2 books come in so I go to the comic store and buy Exiles 100 and Exiles days of present and now on friday. Then monday I get my nice copy of Exiles 100 with a note that my subscription has been moved to New Exiles 1 which came out on Wednesday.

So as for this book, it was bad, I didn't like it it was just more of the same talking heads with very little action and the final scene with Rogue falling down a cliff made me laugh.

[Beast]

Just because something sells out doesn't mean it sold ship loads.

For all we know Marvel only printed about 40k copies and Diamond sold out. Doesn't mean every comic shop in the U.S. is completely out of New Exiles #1.

But we won't know for certain until actual numbers are released.
That's true of all books that sell out. In fact, Diamond even typically says that some stock is still available at the retail end. Just that they've depleated their stock for re-orders. But Marvel only goes back to press when there's sufficiant demand from the retail end to warrent it. Since it costs money to do so.

[John Sage]

I can't believe that some of us are trying to turn the fact that this book has sold out at Diamond and that Marvel are going back to press with it(and an Exiles #0) into something negative.

Well actually I can, but still...

[Neal R]

I haven't had this much fun with Chris Claremont's work his days with DC's Sovereign Seven. That was the last regular claremont run of anything I read. Yes, I have been away for awhile. So I missed what he did with X Treme X Men, The Excalibur Relaunch. Those "The End" miniseries, his taking over of Exiles to the end and his return to the core X titles for a little while.

That said, I came to this "new" title fairly cold. And it was like someone made the perfect X Book for me. Not bogged down by too much continuity I couldn't grasp from what was given on the page, enough character bits to keep me intrigued, and a slow burn start to a hopefully impressive series. And no crossover potential at all. My budget can afford this thing.

I like this cast. Some I know a little better than others. I remember Sabretooth and Morph from the AOA timeline. Sage, I've only seen once in Grant Morrison's run. I'm curious to see what Claremont could do with a male version of Mystique, a character who's always been interesting to me in the regular Marvel world. I remember Psylocke, though I recall the days when she used to be a telepath in armor before she became this ninja assassin. I'm curious to see what kind of powers Rogue has been dealt with this version as I thought that her power in the regular Marvel universe (nailed perfectly in the movie and the two cartoon versions) was always tragic. Cat Pryde is a teenager again, though I find it funny that at least in this issue, she's a minature version of Betsy. Maybe that changes later.

[Beast]

Glad you enjoyed it Neal R. Lemme correct one thing though.

This Morph is similar to the AoA version at least in appearance. But he's not the same Morph. Heh, don't worry... the first issue of the original run had Blink make the same mistake. :)

[Excelsior]

At my LCS, the book actually sold out and I cant find the #100 issue or the special one shot anywhere. So the claim of a sell-out is true from my POV.

[mugiwara]

Glad you enjoyed it Neal R. Lemme correct one thing though.

This Morph is similar to the AoA version at least in appearance. But he's not the same Morph. Heh, don't worry... the first issue of the original run had Blink make the same mistake. :)

Was it ever explained why?
Because for me, it doesn't make any sense that a metamorph who had a life radically different than his AOA counterpart would have excatly the same personality and the same look.