New Loeb Q&A! (yes, Hulk is now a speed-blitzer)

[dabig2]

http://comicnewsi.com/article.php?catid=99&itemid=10981


Some very great info there. Here's a couple interesting tidbits:


"By the end of issue #2 there is a moment where Jeph is very fond of. Iron Man will know what he is up against. The Hulk is very fast now, so fast that he almost seems like a blur while beating people up, making it hard for people to get a good look at him."

:eek: :cool: That's what I'm talking about!


"He wanted to do a scene where The Watcher appears and Hulk asks, "What do you want?", Watcher says that he is there just to watch. The Hulk punches him out and says "I don't want you to watch." Jeph loves the idea of the Watcher having to walk around an issue with a black eye."

:D


"We can expect to see She-Hulk and Doc Samson play large roles in this title and will see Sampson in a much more pro-active role as a psychiatrist. Iron Man will also have a role as the leader of Shield. Tony has a lot to make up for from Civil War and Jeph states that having a story about his redemption that involves the Hulk would be very interesting."

Hmmmmm

All in all, it sounds like a ton of fun. Guess by April we should know what's up.

[Shyft]

Hulk using a gun? meh.

Hulk being a speedster? meh.

Hulk punching the Watcher in the face? meh.

Rick Jones being a Hulk? meh.

Hulk being red? meh.

So far, based on issue #1 and general writer/Marvel comments and hints, this book just seems like Loeb has said "how many cooky, zany new ideas can i fit into a book vaguely related to the Hulk?". Other than the Hulk being red, which is a kinda cool visual i guess, im hugely underwhelmed by what i've seen so far.

EDIT: There being two Hulks is a massive MEH for me as well. Marvel has a history of trying to introduce legacy/clone type characters, and they never work, or last. Scarlet Spider, Thunderstrike, all the spider women, all the ant men and yellow jackets, War Machine.

[Fatguy]

Uuuuugghhhhhhhhhhhhh super speed Hulk.

[OnslaughtKILLS]

I hate Jeph Loeb. He is the worst writer in the business, and almost everything he has written for Marvel has been complete and utter garbage. I hope he is fired.

[Micro]

I hate Jeph Loeb. He is the worst writer in the business, and almost everything he has written for Marvel has been complete and utter garbage. I hope he is fired.

Doubt that is going to happen anytime soon. Quesada even stated in an interview that if he were to be replaced as EIC, he'd want Loeb to be his replacement.

I actually like a lot of Loeb's older stuff alot, but his newer marvel work isn't his best IMO. Just curious, why exactly do you think he is so bad compared to some of the other writers at Marvel?

[dabig2]

I hate Jeph Loeb. He is the worst writer in the business, and almost everything he has written for Marvel has been complete and utter garbage. I hope he is fired.

It's all about the $$$$. And he brings it home.

[Hulk Strongest One]

Uuuuugghhhhhhhhhhhhh super speed Hulk.

Personally, I welcome it. The Hulk can leap miles, and that means his muscles can contract at many thousands of miles per hour. This should translate into high speed punches too.

Actually, all the bricks should be able to do this since their own body mass is less than a feather to their strength.

Indeed, if, say, Ben Grimm cannot send a punch at many thousands of miles per hour, then he's not gonna do jack squat to Hulk, Thor, Wonder Man, etc., and vice-versa. It's the momentum that hurts in a punch, and a "slow" punch isn't gonna hurt them any more than a giant press "punching" you at 0.0001 miles per hour. A "slow punch" is just a gentle push, from their durability standards.

[OnslaughtKILLS]

Doubt that is going to happen anytime soon. Quesada even stated in an interview that if he were to be replaced as EIC, he'd want Loeb to be his replacement.

I actually like a lot of Loeb's older stuff alot, but his newer marvel work isn't his best IMO. Just curious, why exactly do you think he is so bad compared to some of the other writers at Marvel?

I'm assuming you have not read much of his work in Marvel Comics. Let me tell you, it's disgraceful. He completely neglects comic book history to further his own crappy storylines.

Did you read Onslaught Reborn? That was the limited series I was looking forward to the most, and the limited series I ended up hating the most. I thought when a writer writes about a character, they would have to know about the character, the event he was in (since it is Onslaught, he was in a Marvel event), what happened to him, or his general personality.

From completely disgracing Onslaught's objectives, to neglecting comic history on how he was destroyed, not knowing ANY OF HIS POWERS, and top of that having him uselessly transform into a Deadpool looking creature, it he completely ruined the once Earth-Shattering Onslaught. Completely disgraceful. He said Franklin Richards beat him, what the hell? And then to have mutants in Heroes Reborn world? Pffft.

And then there was Ultimates 3. What a pathetic issue (not regarding art, art was great). The flow was terrible, character development pathetic, and having random events happen in between volumes was poor showing. Only to have Wanda killed in an un-epic way. I can guarantee that volume will suck as long as Jeph Loeb is writing it.

And now having Hulk as a speedster? What kind of garbage is that? Thats completely ludicrous and for that to be even approved boggles my mind. I can guarantee this storyline will have pathetic fights, will ignore comic history, and just be disgraceful to the Marvel business.

[andy khouri]

Marvel’s "Hulk" Podcast with Jeph Loeb

Marvel recorded its latest podcast Wednesday afternoon, with writer Jeph Loeb discussing the new, red “Hulk.” Find out what this Hulk’s smashing now. SPOILER WARNING!

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12758

[Micro]

I'm assuming you have not read much of his work in Marvel Comics. Let me tell you, it's disgraceful. He completely neglects comic book history to further his own crappy storylines.

Did you read Onslaught Reborn? That was the limited series I was looking forward to the most, and the limited series I ended up hating the most. I thought when a writer writes about a character, they would have to know about the character, the event he was in (since it is Onslaught, he was in a Marvel event), what happened to him, or his general personality.

From completely disgracing Onslaught's objectives, to neglecting comic history on how he was destroyed, not knowing ANY OF HIS POWERS, and top of that having him uselessly transform into a Deadpool looking creature, it he completely ruined the once Earth-Shattering Onslaught. Completely disgraceful. He said Franklin Richards beat him, what the hell? And then to have mutants in Heroes Reborn world? Pffft.

And then there was Ultimates 3. What a pathetic issue (not regarding art, art was great). The flow was terrible, character development pathetic, and having random events happen in between volumes was poor showing. Only to have Wanda killed in an un-epic way. I can guarantee that volume will suck as long as Jeph Loeb is writing it.

And now having Hulk as a speedster? What kind of garbage is that? Thats completely ludicrous and for that to be even approved boggles my mind. I can guarantee this storyline will have pathetic fights, will ignore comic history, and just be disgraceful to the Marvel business.

I can't say I disagree with you at all, but I have to wonder, what were you really expecting from Onslaught Reborn? I thought Loeb played a role in writting some of those old Heroes Reborn stories back when it launched.

As far as Loeb in general, I don't think the problem is with him doing Ultimates or Hulk, but the lack of editoral supervision at Marvel today. Writers are allowed to have free rain and do whatever they want reguardless of how much sense it makes or how well it fits the character.

I think Loeb would best be suited to write a book like "What if" or "Exiles" where he can have no limits to the type of stories he can tell. Either that or Marvel should get some Editors that will keep their writers on track.

Back on Topic: so is this new Red Hulk not Bruce Banner?

[OnslaughtKILLS]

What did I expect when I saw the previews of Onslaught Reborn? I expected a full out fight between the heroes of Earth (or Heroes Reborn Earth, why did it have to be there?!) and Onslaught, the being who was responsible for many heroes' death. Being the hybrid of Charles Xavier and Magneto (while possessing some of the abilities of Nate Grey and Franklin Richards) it should of been an epic brawl. Instead we see Onslaught POSSESS people's bodies. What is that? Among the people listed, who can do that? I'll tell you, no one. How come he couldn't mentally control them? And if that happened, Iron Man wouldn't have been controlled being as his armor can prevent psiconic control.

Instead of seeing an epic storyline which I couldn't imagine at first being ruined, we see crappy fights between Thor/Hulk (how many times have we seen this?), Captain America/Iron Man (honestly, who wants to see this AGAIN after Civil War?!) We then see that was for nothing as Onslaught randomly disappeared for a few days. He has a pedophilic mentality wanting Franklin Richards WHO by the way was not responsible for Onslaught's death NOR DID HE CONTRIBUTE to it. He then gets slapped around in the final issue WITHOUT ATTACKING BACK ONCE in a pathetic performance. Only to find out beneath his helmet he transformed to look like Deadpool! Great, exactly what we wanted!!!!

Loeb writing "what ifs"? Perhaps if he could write entertaining stories maybe. But he can't even do that.

[themanwiththehair]

hmmm.....not sure about this new Hulk. Not a big fan when to much change happens in to short a time - think this is one of those times. Anyone remember the early x-men days? Phoenix, Shi'ar, AOA, Onslaught: brilliant reading. As soon as the school went public and they started dealing with real day dilemmas like teen pregnancies, the stories went down hill sharply.....was like watching Eastenders with fly/bird babies:(

Tho then again, i suppose they may have done as much as they can with the original hulk and did kind of hit a dead end, given they would have had to come up with some really imaginative ideas to get im free after WWH that wouldnt piss of the audience.

[XPac]

I actually kind of like the idea of Hulk having speed... especially if this red Hulk is an antagonist. He sort of makes him come off scarier in an almost aliens kind of way.

[Gamma Burst]

"By the end of issue #2 there is a moment where Jeph is very fond of. Iron Man will know what he is up against. The Hulk is very fast now, so fast that he almost seems like a blur while beating people up, making it hard for people to get a good look at him."

I really like this idea.

[XPac]

"By the end of issue #2 there is a moment where Jeph is very fond of. Iron Man will know what he is up against. The Hulk is very fast now, so fast that he almost seems like a blur while beating people up, making it hard for people to get a good look at him."

I really like this idea.

I wouldn't mind a good old fashioned Iron Man beat down at all.

Marvel out to put together issues like this and Thor 3 into a nice convinient trade collection.

[Drdmx]

I actually kind of like the idea of Hulk having speed... especially if this red Hulk is an antagonist. He sort of makes him come off scarier in an almost aliens kind of way.

Couldnt agree more. I dont understand the logic of beating up a series before its come out or before you've even read it. If I did that I would never have given Iron Fist another chance last year.

[Grimm]

I wouldn't mind a good old fashioned Iron Man beat down at all.

Marvel out to put together issues like this and Thor 3 into a nice convinient trade collection.

I'm surprised Marvel haven't done a cross-over event yet. It'd be the best selling event in history.

[XPac]

Couldnt agree more. I dont understand the logic of beating up a series before its come out or before you've even read it. If I did that I would never have given Iron Fist another chance last year.

I think Loeb kind of is developing a bad rap in the comics work... almost Chuck Austen-ish. So people are going to cruicify a lot of his stuff before they give it a real chance.

That said, I liked the first issue overall. I think he's actually a very good fit for a Hulk book. It seems like his kind of thing.

[CMBMOOL]

Hulk having some speed powers...I don't see it happen because I always thought the Hulk was all about the speedy fights. :(

[md62]

I liked the book. I think Loeb & the Hulk are a good fit. I also like having the Red Hulk have slightly different powers like speed.

[Hrungr]

I don't think it's necessarily "superspeed" if you go by what Loeb actually says in the interview (according to Pulse who says they translated it word for word):

He wants fans to be on the look out for a really great moment with the Hulk. "He kind of appears like the aliens in Alien," Loeb said. "He grabs one of the team and, out of sight, beats the crap out of him and then throws him back in. Tony Stark says, 'I saw red hands! Did anyone else see red hands?' And the rest of the group's like it happened too fast for them to really have seen anything."

The Hulk sounds like he's just acting crafty and quick, but not necessarily superspeed quick if he attacks with the element of surprise (as Aliens do).

[Fatguy]

Personally, I welcome it. The Hulk can leap miles, and that means his muscles can contract at many thousands of miles per hour. This should translate into high speed punches too.

Actually, all the bricks should be able to do this since their own body mass is less than a feather to their strength.

Indeed, if, say, Ben Grimm cannot send a punch at many thousands of miles per hour, then he's not gonna do jack squat to Hulk, Thor, Wonder Man, etc., and vice-versa. It's the momentum that hurts in a punch, and a "slow" punch isn't gonna hurt them any more than a giant press "punching" you at 0.0001 miles per hour. A "slow punch" is just a gentle push, from their durability standards.

It makes sense in as far as realism, and I'm not casting complete judgement as I have obviously not read the issue, I just worry about bogging the Hulk down too much.

I like the Hulk as a monstrous TANK. If you start saddling him with too much, like Super Speed and guns (blech), I just worry it will come off as cheesy fanfic.

[StoneGold]

I don't think it's necessarily "superspeed" if you go by what Loeb actually says in the interview (according to Pulse who says they translated it word for word):

He wants fans to be on the look out for a really great moment with the Hulk. "He kind of appears like the aliens in Alien," Loeb said. "He grabs one of the team and, out of sight, beats the crap out of him and then throws him back in. Tony Stark says, 'I saw red hands! Did anyone else see red hands?' And the rest of the group's like it happened too fast for them to really have seen anything."

The Hulk sounds like he's just acting crafty and quick, but not necessarily superspeed quick if he attacks with the element of surprise (as Aliens do).

"How can something so big move so fast???"

[TimGunn]

I haven't read the series, but Loeb just makes it sounds so stupid.

[Flâneur]

hmmm.....not sure about this new Hulk. Not a big fan when to much change happens in to short a time - think this is one of those times. Anyone remember the early x-men days? Phoenix, Shi'ar, AOA, Onslaught: brilliant reading. As soon as the school went public and they started dealing with real day dilemmas like teen pregnancies, the stories went down hill sharply.....was like watching Eastenders with fly/bird babies:(

Tho then again, i suppose they may have done as much as they can with the original hulk and did kind of hit a dead end, given they would have had to come up with some really imaginative ideas to get im free after WWH that wouldnt piss of the audience.

You think Onslaught was brilliant but believe the reflection of realist concepts and ideas in a comic which serves as a metaphor for the human condition as terrible? I don't understand how you can think that or for that matter how that has anything to do with the green to red hulk transition. If anything, the Red Hulk storyline looks to be more reminiscent of the stuff that happened when Onslaught's story was being told instead of the stuff Morrison, Casey, Hine, PAD and Whedon have done with the X-men.

[smoothjokes]

I personally like this new "Hulk" series. The art is nice and Jeph Loeb is doing a straight-forward story here. The cliffhanger alone was good story-telling, his Ultimates isn't that great. I loved Loeb's run on Superman/Batman, he can tell good stories.

[Hulk Strongest One]

I suspect the "gun" that killed Abomination wasn't really a gun, but some kind of energy expenditure from this Red Hulk thingie. If it is some kind of derivative of Banner's gamma and rage floating around ghostlike, taking control of people like Rick, this could be quite possible without stretching things too much.

But "guns" that can kill top bricks don't grow on trees. It was bad enough a couple of years ago when Nick Fury's guys developed a gun that could kill The Thing. Earth level tech, when he stands up to advanced alien guns from thousands of years in the future. Yeah, whatever is needed to move the story along, I guess.

[G. Boney]

EDIT: There being two Hulks is a massive MEH for me as well. Marvel has a history of trying to introduce legacy/clone type characters, and they never work, or last. Scarlet Spider, Thunderstrike, all the spider women, all the ant men and yellow jackets, War Machine.

She-hulk has her own title.

Ms. Marvel has her own title.

War Machine is a mainstay in Avengers:The Initiative.

[Van Custo]

I hate Jeph Loeb. He is the worst writer in the business, and almost everything he has written for Marvel has been complete and utter garbage. I hope he is fired.

Word up mista.

[Sean Whitmore]

I haven't heard the interview, but I just have to say the idea of Hulk giving the Watcher a black eye is pretty funny. Even if it violates some cosmic continuity thing I'm unaware of.



I wouldn't mind a good old fashioned Iron Man beat down at all.

Marvel out to put together issues like this and Thor 3 into a nice convinient trade collection.

Yeah, they could call it Marvel Visionaries: The Sad Fanboy Collection.


SEAN

[DeadXMan]

I haven't heard the interview, but I just have to say the idea of Hulk giving the Watcher a black eye is pretty funny. Even if it violates some cosmic continuity thing I'm unaware of.




Yeah, they could call it Marvel Visionaries: The Sad Fanboy Collection.


SEAN


depending on your point of view

more like the sadist fanboy IMO:evilsmile

[Bulky Brent]

Giving this new hulk speed will make his fight very interesting but they will probably compensate by decreasing his strength most likely this Hulk is already using a gun presumably.

[XPac]

Giving this new hulk speed will make his fight very interesting but they will probably compensate by decreasing his strength most likely this Hulk is already using a gun presumably.

Red Hulk did beat down Abomination though, so if he's depowered strength wise it can't be by much. As villains go, you don't get much stronger than Abomination.

[Sean Whitmore]

depending on your point of view

more like the sadist fanboy IMO:evilsmile

That works too, and actually makes the same point.



Red Hulk did beat down Abomination though, so if he's depowered strength wise it can't be by much. As villains go, you don't get much stronger than Abomination.

Remember, though, this is Loeb, king of the one-punch, we're talking about. He's had Superman knock out Doomsday with little effort, Batman knock out Shiva with one shot, and Spider-Man + Captain America outfight Hulk himself.


SEAN

[G. Boney]

Remember, though, this is Loeb, king of the one-punch, we're talking about. He's had Superman knock out Doomsday with little effort, Batman knock out Shiva with one shot, and Spider-Man + Captain America outfight Hulk himself.

Yeah that was silly...

[maniacmatt]

I haven't read anything decent by Loeb in a looooong time, but the first HULK issue was really good. I liked everything I read here, except the Watcher getting punched. Just sounds stupid.
And I think Miek is the new Abomination.

[Crixtala]

I'm just getting back into comics again after a decent hiatus... luckily, this is just starting, so hopefully it will give me a good chance to hop right back in. Hopefully it doesn't disappoint.

It sucks to see all these people on here pass judgement before they even have the book in their hands.

[rZi]

Hulk using a gun? meh.

Hulk being a speedster? meh.

Hulk punching the Watcher in the face? meh.

Rick Jones being a Hulk? meh.

Hulk being red? meh.


I agree with you 100%

[Ultraman Zoffy]

Bruce Banner will always be "The Hulk", so this new red "Hulk-like" monster running around is free to have any powers the writers give him, since they aren't alterations to "The Hulk's" standard set of powers and abilities, right? They can give him super-speed up the wazoo, but since it isn't Banner/Hulk, why get so worked up about whether the writers are sticking to Hulk's character? IT ISN'T THE HULK FOLKS... chill out. lol
Also, calling "the red Hulk-looking monster guy" a speedster might be confusing the weaker minded folks on the forum... speedster implies that he has Flash-level speed abilities, and that isn't the case. Hulk's power set (and again, we're not even talking about THE Hulk) has always included superhuman speed and reflexes (labeled as comparable to even the Sentry's), so if red guy is moving fast, it isn't out of the realm of Hulk-like abilities.
Funny how worked up people on forums (ANY forums! =P) get over things...

[Dr. Banner]

When did the Hulk use a gun? That was just Samson's theory, but he had no idea what was going on, and in fact, most people who read the story PROBABLY figured out the Hulk didn't use a gun. (Heck, the Hulk shown in Samson's "recreated" fight was green!).

And I'm not convinced at this point Rick Jones is a Hulk yet. He very well might be, but I don't think it's going to be that obvious.

I thought the first issue read pretty well. Bruce Jones drove me away, Pak got me looking back and Loeb just might be helping me to stay.

[Will.S]

When did the Hulk use a gun? That was just Samson's theory, but he had no idea what was going on, and in fact, most people who read the story PROBABLY figured out the Hulk didn't use a gun. (Heck, the Hulk shown in Samson's "recreated" fight was green!).
Well there are bullet holes on Abomination's body so I don't know what else would cause that. Plus it seems like Samson has his facts right from what I see of the evidence. As for the coloring of Hulk, remember that the flashbacks outside of the golden gun had an overall green hue so it could be misdirection as well.


And I'm not convinced at this point Rick Jones is a Hulk yet. He very well might be, but I don't think it's going to be that obvious.
Depends on who the green part is of this image:

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Baltimore_07/HulkPromoArt.jpg

[Drdmx]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Baltimore_07/HulkPromoArt.jpg

Damn that pic looks great. I know its not terribily hard to draw the Hulk, but thats a nice capture of his rage.

[Dr. Banner]

Depends on who the green part is of this image:


The green is still Banner. That's a promotional image, not one taken from the book.

It's like how the image from the cover of WWH #1 doesn't REALLY mean the Hulk is larger than Earth.

Also, Samson is a smart guy, but just because he thinks the Abomination was shot by the Hulk doesn't mean he's right. He once thought he cured Banner by merging him at one point. And thought he could seperate the beings into two. And....

(If his expertise is fixing up traumatized minds and he makes mistakes with that, it's even more reasonable that criminal investigations, something he's NOT a trained expert in, would result in even more mistakes.)

[Will.S]

The green is still Banner. That's a promotional image, not one taken from the book.

It's like how the image from the cover of WWH #1 doesn't REALLY mean the Hulk is larger than Earth.
Could be Banner, could be Rick. There's misdirection all over the place but Rick's appearance here definitely rings some bells.


Also, Samson is a smart guy, but just because he thinks the Abomination was shot by the Hulk doesn't mean he's right. He once thought he cured Banner by merging him at one point. And thought he could seperate the beings into two. And....

(If his expertise is fixing up traumatized minds and he makes mistakes with that, it's even more reasonable that criminal investigations, something he's NOT a trained expert in, would result in even more mistakes.)From what I heard of the Loeb Q & A, he said he wants to make Samson more of a crime solver/Detective since he knows the psyche and criminal mind so well. I think it could work and Samson could definitely still be talking about the Red Hulk rather than the green one.

[Dr. Banner]

From what I heard of the Loeb Q & A, he said he wants to make Samson more of a crime solver/Detective since he knows the psyche and criminal mind so well. I think it could work and Samson could definitely still be talking about the Red Hulk rather than the green one.

The career shift makes sense, I can see that.

Still don't think the Hulk used a gun to shoot the Abomination, though. Red or green. :)

[Robogeek28]

Interesting direction for the red Hulk, I'm eager to see what happens next. As for Abomination, I've got a feeling he was blasted by energy, not bullets. I'm betting this energy mutates him farther, and that he's not really dead, just in suspended animation, which wouldn't be a first for him. Besides, he's survived MUCH worse stuff in the past, does being blown to atoms by Modok ring any bells?:D

[nervmeister]

Personally, I welcome it. The Hulk can leap miles, and that means his muscles can contract at many thousands of miles per hour. This should translate into high speed punches too.

Actually, all the bricks should be able to do this since their own body mass is less than a feather to their strength.

Makes sense.

[Britannic]

Ok, so far after 1 issue we shouldn't be judging the run true. My problem is that all of the things I have been reading regarding this new Hulk fills me with nausea. Yes it's not the real Hulk? But if this new creature is a success with it's no History attached, Noobs jump right in fresh with a clean slate thing works. Then we may never see the real Hulk for years. I hate Marvels need to reinvent the wheel and do the clone/replacement thing again. I also wonder how this will gel with the new movie. A red Hulk in the book and a green Hulk on the screen doesn't make sense from a promotional point of view if you’re trying to sell a brand.

[Robogeek28]

Ok, so far after 1 issue we shouldn't be judging the run true. My problem is that all of the things I have been reading regarding this new Hulk fills me with nausea. Yes it's not the real Hulk? But if this new creature is a success with it's no History attached, Noobs jump right in fresh with a clean slate thing works. Then we may never see the real Hulk for years. I hate Marvels need to reinvent the wheel and do the clone/replacement thing again. I also wonder how this will gel with the new movie. A red Hulk in the book and a green Hulk on the screen doesn't make sense from a promotional point of view if you’re trying to sell a brand.

I'm sure big green will be back in time for the movie.

[XPac]

Ok, so far after 1 issue we shouldn't be judging the run true. My problem is that all of the things I have been reading regarding this new Hulk fills me with nausea. Yes it's not the real Hulk? But if this new creature is a success with it's no History attached, Noobs jump right in fresh with a clean slate thing works. Then we may never see the real Hulk for years. I hate Marvels need to reinvent the wheel and do the clone/replacement thing again. I also wonder how this will gel with the new movie. A red Hulk in the book and a green Hulk on the screen doesn't make sense from a promotional point of view if you’re trying to sell a brand.

Legacy characters almost never actually replace the originals. Just ask Ben Reily, or Thunderstrike.

Bruce Banner as Hulk will be back sooner or later. Even the Grey Hulk (which was technically the original and had a great run) eventually gave way to the Green machine.

[Bulky Brent]

Who Knows maybe it will be different this but reawakening Banner probably wasn't a good move on Joebs part since people will be anticipating big Greens come back delaying banners returns would have most definitely ensured this new Hulks longevity IMO.

[XPac]

Who Knows maybe it will be different this but reawakening Banner probably wasn't a good move on Joebs part since people will be anticipating big Greens come back delaying banners returns would have most definitely ensured this new Hulks longevity IMO.

I think they probably want to put Banner out there just so people don't assume the Red Hulk is Bruce. We know Hulk can be Grey sometimes, so a change of color isn't unheard of.

Once we establish that Bruce definately isn't Hulk Red, we have more of a mystery on our hands.

[Drdmx]

Not to mention that I think it's a good thing to have Banner involved in the mystery of Red Hulk. It's similar to having him head up the Hulk Busters back when he and Hulk were seperated. I hope Banner will be well involved with the series, but only as Banner, unless Big Green steps in right on the last page to make a save.

[XPac]

Not to mention that I think it's a good thing to have Banner involved in the mystery of Red Hulk. It's similar to having him head up the Hulk Busters back when he and Hulk were seperated. I hope Banner will be well involved with the series, but only as Banner, unless Big Green steps in right on the last page to make a save.

Clearly they're using him as a resource for information... but I can't imagine them allowing him out of his cell. Bruce was freed from the Hulk in his Hulkbuster days, so he was allowed to help out freely.

As far as we know now, Bruce can still change into the Hulk so there's only so much he can do.

Then again, Hulk in the Ultimates still manages to do stuff despite being locked up so maybe it's kind of the same deal.

[Drdmx]

Clearly they're using him as a resource for information... but I can't imagine them allowing him out of his cell. Bruce was freed from the Hulk in his Hulkbuster days, so he was allowed to help out freely.

As far as we know now, Bruce can still change into the Hulk so there's only so much he can do.

Then again, Hulk in the Ultimates still manages to do stuff despite being locked up so maybe it's kind of the same deal.

Nah, dont misunderstand. I dont want him inventing weird gizmos to try and take the Hulk down, I want him as a resource, or consultant if you will. I want them to ask Bruce his opinions and have him reply either sarcastically or ominously regarding what the new hulks intentions may be. Similar to Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter (sp).

[StoneGold]

I want them to ask Bruce his opinions and have him reply either sarcastically or ominously regarding what the new hulks intentions may be. Similar to Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter (sp).

Except that's not really Bruce.

[Sean Whitmore]

Except that's not really Bruce.

Maybe they could bring Bruce Jones' Absorbing Man back and have him do it.


SEAN

[Drdmx]

Except that's not really Bruce.

I'm not saying he needs to harbor a desire to eat people. I'm saying theres nothing wrong with him having insight on what this Hulks intentions may be, and them trying to utilize Bruce for it. Maybe have Bruce "helping" them figure out what's going on, putting things together. Then at the last second, one of those, "Oh my God, he'll be coming here next!" CRASH. Red vs Green time.

[Drdmx]

Except that's not really Bruce.

I'm not saying he needs to harbor a desire to eat people. I'm saying theres nothing wrong with him having insight on what this Hulks intentions may be, and them trying to utilize Bruce for it. Maybe have Bruce "helping" them figure out what's going on, putting things together. Then at the last second, one of those, "Oh my God, he'll be coming here next!" CRASH. Red vs Green time.

[Drdmx]

Except that's not really Bruce.

I'm not saying he needs to harbor a desire to eat people. I'm saying theres nothing wrong with him having insight on what this Hulks intentions may be, and them trying to utilize Bruce for it. Maybe have Bruce "helping" them figure out what's going on, putting things together. Then at the last second, one of those, "Oh my God, he'll be coming here next!" CRASH. Red vs Green time.

[Drdmx]

Except that's not really Bruce.

I'm not saying he needs to harbor a desire to eat people. I'm saying theres nothing wrong with him having insight on what this Hulks intentions may be, and them trying to utilize Bruce for it. Maybe have Bruce "helping" them figure out what's going on, putting things together. Then at the last second, one of those, "Oh my God, he'll be coming here next!" CRASH. Red vs Green time.

[BioHazard]

I don't understand why anyone would have difficulty believing that the hulk could fight as a speedster. Quite frankly, it's actually idiotic to not portray him has one. He may be over seven feet tall, but he weighs in at less than a ton. He can JUMP for miles (up to a thousand, apparently) in a single leap. He can press well over 100 tons (and that's a total understatement at this point). Of course he would be able to manipulate HIS OWN BODY at mind boggling speeds. That he hasn't been written thusly so is a total mystery to me. Just because it's big and heavy, that doesn't mean it's slow. Put a 500K hp engine in a fully loaded dump truck and watch it do the quarter mile in under 4 seconds. Or explode. In the Hulk's case, it seems, both. :evilsmile