BOOSTER GOLD #6: Oh my..... (SPOILERS) [Archive]

Flash's Lightning

01-16-2008, 03:19 PM

I think they did it. :D

I fully expect there to be strings attached (say, the 3 Beetles to be revealed as the time travelling trio of villains from Meltzer's JLA and last issue), but.......

......for now......

They did it...... :D

Gah, no no no, I hate that I wait for the trade.

Did they bring you-know-who back or something?

Wait, don't tell me.

No, tell me.

No, don't!

GAH I need more money so I can buy the monthlies and still get the trades I love & enjoy.

You're doing this to me on purpose, aren't you? :evilsmile

LordEd1976

01-16-2008, 03:19 PM

DarkCrisis

01-16-2008, 03:51 PM

Really I think they fubared the timeline. I mean as far as DC may be concerned it all worked out fine but thier plan would seem to have caused much error.

elise

01-16-2008, 04:08 PM

DETAILS MAN!!!!!!!!! DETAILS!!!!
Rip tries to talk Booster out of joining the three Beetles (Dan Garrett, Jaime Reyes, and the "unknown" future Blue Beetle from the 27th century) to save Ted. The future Beetle says that Ted's death has caused a "great disturbance in time" which his scarab has felt even so far ahead in the future (the other two Beetles say that their scarabs feel is too). He says "If Ted Kord is not saved, the unknown champions of time will never come to pass." Rip insists there's something not right about the three Blue Beetles suddenly showing up, that there is no disturbance in Ted's timeline, that saving Ted will cause other problems in time, and that it is solidified time and cannot be changed. The future Beetle says that his 27th-century technology is able to change solidified time and that what they do will not affect the timeline. Booster goes with them, explaining who Ted was as a person and a hero to Dan along the way.

Meawhile, Rip Hunter shows up at Daniel Carter's house (where he is trying to convince that reporter who was trying to track down Booster that he WAS Booster) holding a Booster Gold and Supernova costume, telling him that "the dawn of the Carter family's heroic legacy starts right freaking now."

Ted discovers Checkmate and as Max walks in and reaches for his gun, Booster and the Beetles crash in. They fight off the security guards and an OMAC. Max shoots Booster (bullet grazes his forehead, he says later) and tries to get Ted to join him. Ted refuses and Max shoots at him but Booster jumps in front of the gun and the bullet hits his goggles. Ted knocks out Max.

Back in the time sphere, Ted's happy that they exposed Maxwell Lord, and everyone else (Booster especially) is happy that they saved Ted. The future Beetle informs them that everyone must continue to think that Ted is dead and that him really being alive will not affect Jaime because he never operated with the scarab. He tells Booster that "You are no longer the greatest hero the world will never know, Booster Gold. You and Ted Kord are the greatest heroes the world will never know."

I love this series. :D

lonewolf23k

01-16-2008, 04:14 PM

...I just know something's going to happen to undo this...

elise

01-16-2008, 04:16 PM

...I just know something's going to happen to undo this...

I hope not. I really think Booster needs Ted around.

CaptainCanada

01-16-2008, 04:16 PM

(say, the 3 Beetles to be revealed as the time travelling trio of villains from Meltzer's JLA and last issue)
Jaime and Dan are the real deal; we were explicitly shown them being plucked from their own timeline. Now, the Future Beetle is a wildcard.

Super Buddies Forever

01-16-2008, 05:10 PM

Obviously I'm very, very pleased.

Even if the plan isn't to keep Ted around (and come on, he'll be dead again at the end of the next arc), I like how the circumstances they've set up doesn't undermine his death while still giving us the character back.

TheCrisisKid

01-16-2008, 07:12 PM

Just like how Marvel is treating Mar-vell (hopefully getting his name correct here)?

Did anyone read the preview for the next issue? ZERO HOUR crossover? 10 years in the making? Please don't tell me that they go back and like cancel out every big arc within the past 10 years.

But yeah, Ted Kord FTW!

md62

01-16-2008, 07:27 PM

I am glad that Ted is alive again. His death started a violent cycle that I have not enjoyed in the DCU...Booster Gold is one of the best books on the stands right now.

converge241

01-16-2008, 07:35 PM

Another great BG issue but what will Max do after this in a reality where he didnt kill Blue Beetle?

David Atkins

01-16-2008, 07:40 PM

Another great BG issue but what will Max do after this in a reality where he didnt kill Blue Beetle?

Get his neck snapped by Wonder Woman.

...

You asked.

CMBMOOL

01-16-2008, 07:56 PM

Blue and Gold are BACK BABY!!! :D

Choppa

01-16-2008, 08:05 PM

Loved the issue, especially all of the flashbacks to the 90's stuff.

Can't wait for #0!

rexpop

01-16-2008, 08:34 PM

...I just know something's going to happen to undo this...

As much as I want this to stick...I agree something's probably going to happen which will make them have to reverse this.

ScottDMSimmons

01-16-2008, 10:33 PM

I'm very happy with Ted being back. Finally, fans will get the Blue and Gold team they have been wanting.

I hope it leads to complications in time (those are always the catalysts to great fun stories---Voyagers and Quantum Leap ... and Sliders were favorite shows of mine when they were out), but I want Ted to stick around.

As for Zero Hour, who knows what Jurgens wants to do with the "sequel"? My thoughts include potential revelations about Power Girl's baby, more JSA rescues, Hal Jordan and Extant... maybe Tyler (Hourman robot who replaced Rex would be seen?).

Anyhow, great issue. Nice to see all the Blue Beetles.

Scott

StoneGold

01-16-2008, 10:38 PM

Awesome book. Probably the best single issue of anything mainline DC I've read in ages.

One thing though - is Rip going all evil on us? He had a pretty crazed look in his eye.

Matt K

01-16-2008, 11:13 PM

I'm a huge fan of Jamie, but I also like Booster and Ted, so this worked out nicely so far. I'll definitly be picking up the trade (if there is one).

elise

01-17-2008, 08:11 AM

The hardcover's (http://dccomics.com/graphic_novels/?gn=9007) coming out in May. :D

TotalWorldDomination

01-17-2008, 08:22 AM

As much as I want this to stick...I agree something's probably going to happen which will make them have to reverse this.

They have to. No way Ted never dying dosn't have obscene consequences on the timestream. At the end of "The Blue and The Gold" Booster is going to have to send ted back to die, with the hopes that he'll come back some other way.

I'm very happy with Ted being back. Finally, fans will get the Blue and Gold team they have been wanting.

I hope it leads to complications in time (those are always the catalysts to great fun stories---Voyagers and Quantum Leap ... and Sliders were favorite shows of mine when they were out), but I want Ted to stick around.

Enjoy the Blue-Booster team as long as it lasts... I feel the timeline interruptions shall be severe. After all, Sasha Bordoux dosn't see Ted die, she never mails the googles to batman batman never involves others cause Ted isn't dead, ect ect

As for Zero Hour, who knows what Jurgens wants to do with the "sequel"? My thoughts include potential revelations about Power Girl's baby, more JSA rescues, Hal Jordan and Extant... maybe Tyler (Hourman robot who replaced Rex would be seen?).[/QUOTE]

I'm actually excited about a Zero Hour tie in. It's a time-traveling book! You've got to have Parallax and Extant show up! Heck, you've got to have Waverider before Skeets offs him! Still, if they decide that power girl is some Atlantian princess one more time...

One thing though - is Rip going all evil on us? He had a pretty crazed look in his eye.

I think Rip has figured out what the Beatles are going to do to time and has come up with a brilliantly devious plan for it. After all, Rips not a nice guy. He was going to torture Rex Hunter with tools borrowed from the Maruquis De Saad.

Still, I think seeing the founders of the Booster Gold Bloodline get into action as a new Supernova and Booster is going to be pretty spectacular. I wonder if his female ancestor will get the Supernova or Booster suit?

jam

01-17-2008, 08:45 AM

I think Rip has figured out what the Beatles are going to do to time and has come up with a brilliantly devious plan for it. After all, Rips not a nice guy. He was going to torture Rex Hunter with tools borrowed from the Maruquis De Saad.

So, Rip has brought back John and George, then? I hope Ringo and Paul are up for it!

(Sorry, couldn't resist)

Heck, if I'm going to pedantic, I thing you mean the Marquis de Sade; your guy sounds like he works for Darkseid!

Crisis

01-17-2008, 08:55 AM

you guys did notice the Beetles cover albumn allusion in one of the panels didnt you. you know the one where everyone said Paul died cause of John['s feet were bare.

Jack

01-17-2008, 11:28 AM

Jaime and Dan are the real deal; we were explicitly shown them being plucked from their own timeline. Now, the Future Beetle is a wildcard.
Well his motives are one thing, but he pretty much has to have a scarab, since his powers could interface with Jaime and Dan's, and Jaime's scarab would definitely tell him if someone else was using one or not.

Super Buddies Forever

01-17-2008, 01:05 PM

you guys did notice the Beetles cover albumn allusion in one of the panels didnt you. you know the one where everyone said Paul died cause of John['s feet were bare.

I'm at a loss on which panel (and album) you're referring to. Abbey Road had a barefooted Paul...

Crisis

01-17-2008, 01:15 PM

page four panel 1 :D and yes Abbey Road i said John by mistake

http://www.ryanfrith.net/wp-content/uploads/abbeyroad-big.jpg

Infra-Man

01-17-2008, 01:46 PM

I'm going back to look for that homage image

David Atkins

01-17-2008, 01:51 PM

page four panel 1 :D and yes Abbey Road i said John by mistake

http://www.ryanfrith.net/wp-content/uploads/abbeyroad-big.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/Geran85/Avatars/000k1bzg.jpg

:D

I didn't even notice the bare feet. I thought the hubbub was over him being out-of-step with the others.

gunz

01-17-2008, 05:03 PM

people keep saying about the whole send the goggles to bruce thing, but if you recall, booster had a bullet go through HIS goggles and leaves them behind. Those get sent to batman, infinite crisis proceeds.

i do stillthink this is all getting reversed at the end though, but it'll be nice for a while

converge241

01-17-2008, 08:33 PM

Get his neck snapped by Wonder Woman.

...

You asked.

No that's what he did after killing Ted Kord..which I didnt ask. Not sure if you noticed but now he didnt kill Ted, FYI there.

are you trying tp say he gets his ass kicked by BG and the beetles and just continues on with his plan as normal even though its a totally different set of circumstances? Lord's character wouldnt exactly just sit idly by after getting made a fool of..his plans and actions would likely be escalated, in speed and magnitude, than what we originally saw. Maybe you believe what the future Beetle is saying because of course how can't you trust a character who has only made a couple of appearances when they say the timestream won't be affected.

David Atkins

01-17-2008, 08:39 PM

No that's what he did after killing Ted Kord..which I didnt ask. Not sure if you noticed but now he didnt kill Ted, FYI there.

are you trying tp say he gets his ass kicked by BG and the beetles and just continues on with his plan as normal even though its a totally different set of circumstances? Lord's character wouldnt exactly just sit idly by after getting made a fool of..his plans and actions would likely be escalated, in speed and magnitude, than what we originally saw. Maybe you believe what the future Beetle is saying because of course how can't you trust a character who has only made a couple of appearances when they say the timestream won't be affected.

Why thank you, kind sir, for filling me in. :rolleyes:

Simple fact of the matter is, there's no reason to believe that Max Lord wouldn't still go forward with his plan to take over Superman's mind (because if you can do it, and you're evil, why wouldn'tyou?) which is the catalyst that caused Diana to twist his head around backwards.

Choppa

01-17-2008, 10:07 PM

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE have a scene where Ted confronts the other heroes who didn't listen to him.

Den

01-17-2008, 10:38 PM

Got this today. Man, I know this will probably be undone somehow, but it was GOOD to see Ted again.

Sean Whitmore

01-17-2008, 11:00 PM

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE have a scene where Ted confronts the other heroes who didn't listen to him.

Johns, Winnick, and Rucka should team up to write that scene.

And at the end, after Beetle has told everyone off, Superman says, "You're wasting everyone's time again, Ted."

And Ted shrinks away and goes, "Sorry."

SEAN

Cthulhudrew

01-17-2008, 11:58 PM

I liked the way they did this, and count me in as one (the only?) who thinks this is actually going to stick.

We don't really know what all the future Beetle may have done to preserve the continuity (and admittedly, we only have his word that he did), but Booster says that he made sure the info still got to Bruce as if Ted had sent it, so that's one item on the agenda covered.

What makes me think it will stick is the same thing that made me think so back by issue #2- which is the recurring theme of Blue Beetle interactions in the book that occurred outside the reckoning of our protagonists (and possibly even outside the notice of Rip Hunter). We, the readers, were being given a peek behind the curtain, so to speak. That kind of narrative device would be a cheap bit of pulling the rug out from under us if it didn't mean this was the real deal, IMO.

(Not to mention that- going back to the non-connection to the chief protagonists- if Ted really does come back, and becomes one of our cast of protagonists as Booster's partner, then it actually becomes pertinent to the development of one of the book's cast, and not just an "Elsewhere..." sort of thing.)

I really like the "heroes time never knew" moment.

The artwork seemed a bit inconsistent in this issue to me, as did the coloring. Is it me or does Rip's hair color seem to change a lot?

(I also didn't like the Beetles/Booster walking panel- it seemed to flat to me, until the Abbey Road parallel was pointed out. That was an interesting homage.)

One thing though - is Rip going all evil on us? He had a pretty crazed look in his eye.

He's been incredibly (and increasingly) Machiavellian since issue #1 (and especially last issue). I don't think he's evil, but he's definitely walking the "morally ambiguous" line very narrowly.

Crisis

01-18-2008, 01:28 AM

wouldnt it be nice if Ted got a new costume id that of Supernova and Booster is still Booster. I hope Ted stays i like him alive.

fyi about the abbey road cover from wiki: "Paul is dead" clues

The cover also supposedly contains clues adding to the "Paul is dead" phenomenon: Paul is barefoot, with eyes closed, out of step with the others, and holds a cigarette in his right hand, though he is left handed, and the car number plate "LMW 281F" (when read as '28 if') supposedly referred to the fact that McCartney would be 28 years old if he were still alive. (McCartney was actually 27 when the picture was taken). "LMW" is said to stand for "Linda, My Wife," "Linda McCartney, Widow," or "Linda McCartney Weeps".

The four Beatles on the album cover, according to the "Paul is Dead" myth, represent the priest (John, dressed in white), the undertaker (Ringo in a black suit), the corpse (Paul, in a suit but barefoot—like a body in a casket), and the gravedigger (George, in jeans and a denim work shirt).

On the back of the LP cover, there is a series of dots before the word "Beatles", which resemble a "3" when connected. This is a hint at the fact that there are only three Beatles left.

How this may related to ted we dont know...lol

Paul Dee

01-18-2008, 12:25 PM

I loved this issue so so so so much.

That's how you bring a character back from the dead. There was a real care and love for the character (through Booster's eyes) which didn't cheapen the dramatic death of the character. I loved the bit where Booster was ruminating on what to say for his dramatic entrance and in the end all he could do was shout out his friend's name, being so pleased to see him.

I'm not even sure they'll undo the death really - if the premise is "The 2 Greatest Heroes You'll Never Know!" then DC's continuity and timelines don't need to be messed with as Booster and Ted are operating in the shadows as it were.

But yes, I love this series so much

Ilash

01-19-2008, 05:20 PM

Loved, loved, LOVED this issue and I do hope that they keep Ted around in this series for the long run.

My only real problem with this issue is Maxwell Lord. Ever since they completely massacred this once interesting, complex character and turned him into a fifth rate Lex Luthor, I cringe evertime I see him turn up - or even be referenced - in any recent DC comic.

K'Nort

01-19-2008, 06:48 PM

I don't see how Max could do the exact same things now that his plan is exposed that he did when it wasn't.

Kintales

01-19-2008, 09:02 PM

Loved this issue as well! Hope Ted stays and I can't wait for Blue and Gold Chapter 1!

CBikle

01-19-2008, 09:05 PM

My only real problem with this issue is Maxwell Lord. Ever since they completely massacred this once interesting, complex character and turned him into a fifth rate Lex Luthor, I cringe evertime I see him turn up - or even be referenced - in any recent DC comic.

I've kind of felt the same way. It seems to me they could have used the same storyline, but explained it as Max getting taken over again by the Construct (an evil AI foe of the JLA), which also could have segued into the whole Brother Eye/OMAC deal without involving Batman (it makes more sense for the Construct to have assembled a super-human database of information anyway; he's literally the manifestation of all electronic communication).

marshal99

01-19-2008, 09:46 PM

I've kind of felt the same way. It seems to me they could have used the same storyline, but explained it as Max getting taken over again by the Construct (an evil AI foe of the JLA), which also could have segued into the whole Brother Eye/OMAC deal without involving Batman (it makes more sense for the Construct to have assembled a super-human database of information anyway; he's literally the manifestation of all electronic communication).

Maxwell Lord in the past had been taken over by the evil computer mind Kilg%re , not the construct i believe.

Cthulhudrew

01-19-2008, 09:48 PM

I don't see how Max could do the exact same things now that his plan is exposed that he did when it wasn't.

In Countdown, Max's files seem to disappear, and he gets upset with Ted ("What's happened? What did you do to my files?") which is what prompts him to try and stop reasoning with Ted and kill him. IIRC, it is later revealed that Ted sent those files off to Batman, which is something that Booster (or the future Beetle, I forget which) note that they did in this issue.

CBikle

01-19-2008, 10:08 PM

Maxwell Lord in the past had been taken over by the evil computer mind Kilg%re , not the construct i believe.

I think you're right.

K'Nort

01-20-2008, 07:14 AM

In Countdown, Max's files seem to disappear, and he gets upset with Ted ("What's happened? What did you do to my files?") which is what prompts him to try and stop reasoning with Ted and kill him. IIRC, it is later revealed that Ted sent those files off to Batman, which is something that Booster (or the future Beetle, I forget which) note that they did in this issue.

Ah. I forgot the first part (haven't read that story since it was new) and probably overlooked the second. It ties together much better for me now. Thanks.

Paul Dee

01-20-2008, 12:41 PM

Sean Whitmore

01-20-2008, 01:53 PM

Geeky continuity quibble: In Countdown to Infinite Crisis Max Lord's admission of making the Justice League ineffectual would come after Booster and the Beetles gate-crashed the castle so Ted shouldn't have been aware of this in this issue

Even geekier continuity quibble: Max Lord's admission of making the Justice League ineffectual is completely retarded and doesn't make the slightest bit of sense no matter how hard one squints their eyes. So I just ignore it. :)

SEAN

Paul Dee

01-20-2008, 02:42 PM

Haha, yeah I know. : ) Does anyone know whose idea it was to do that by the way? Just an editorial thing?

Sean Whitmore

01-20-2008, 02:51 PM

Haha, yeah I know. : ) Does anyone know whose idea it was to do that by the way? Just an editorial thing?

It feels like a "Rucka" to me, but I can't say for sure. I think it was something all the writers of Countdown took credit for.

SEAN

Ilash

01-20-2008, 03:18 PM

Even geekier continuity quibble: Max Lord's admission of making the Justice League ineffectual is completely retarded and doesn't make the slightest bit of sense no matter how hard one squints their eyes. So I just ignore it. :)

SEAN

Tell me about it. He tried to make the League ineffectual by having Batman, a Green Lantern, the Flash and the Martian Manhunter in it and later (post Giffen/ Demaittes) two Green Lanterns, Wonder Woman and, er, SUPERMAN.

Suuuuure.

Sean Whitmore

01-20-2008, 03:46 PM

Tell me about it. He tried to make the League ineffectual by having Batman, a Green Lantern, the Flash and the Martian Manhunter in it and later (post Giffen/ Demaittes) two Green Lanterns, Wonder Woman and, er, SUPERMAN.

Suuuuure.

Though it's fun to reread those issues now and imagine that, every time the goofy League saved the world from the Grey Man or Despero or Starbreaker, Max was in a room somewhere going, "DAMN!"

Less fun rereading the issues where he was striving for redemption.

SEAN

David O Burcham

01-20-2008, 10:10 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/Geran85/Avatars/000k1bzg.jpg

If this is a full homage to the "Paul's dead"/Abbey Road cover...

... wouldn't that mean Dan Garrett will die by the end of the story? After all, he's the one walking in Paul's place.

Sean Whitmore

01-20-2008, 10:16 PM

If this is a full homage to the "Paul's dead"/Abbey Road cover...

... wouldn't that mean Dan Garrett will die by the end of the story? After all, he's the one walking in Paul's place.

Isn't he already dead?

Still works, I guess.

SEAN

edhopper

01-22-2008, 06:31 AM

is the whole Wonder Woman executing Max thing justified now?

Taskmaster

01-22-2008, 10:53 AM

is the whole Wonder Woman executing Max thing justified now?

Her killing of Max had less to do with Ted's death and more to do with stopping him from using Superman to kill

Paul Dee

01-22-2008, 12:47 PM

Did anyone else also find it odd, given the frustration Booster encountered when he couldn't save Barbara, that he didn't even comment on using the future Beetle's chronal wave technology to make the solidified time malleable and stop Babs' crippling? Maybe that'll be referenced in some form in a future issue

Sam Scudder

01-22-2008, 08:03 PM

My theory on the matter is that the only reason he tried so hard to save Barbara Gordon is that deep down he knew the lesson Rip was trying to teach him. He knew that if he couldn't save her that he couldn't save Ted. At the end of the day, it was just another example of Booster only thinking of his own interests. But I could be wrong here.

LtMarvel

01-22-2008, 08:14 PM

Booster has a blind eye when it comes to Ted.

Jack

01-23-2008, 04:27 AM

Capt USA

01-23-2008, 06:00 PM

If this is a full homage to the "Paul's dead"/Abbey Road cover...

... wouldn't that mean Dan Garrett will die by the end of the story? After all, he's the one walking in Paul's place.

actually it would mean that Dan Garrett is still alive. (it could be argued that he's still alive as of that particular moment though) since he is the only one in that group that is thought of as dead.

I think they did a good job of at least making it appear that it's not a temporary fix, usually when they do stuff like this it's usually pretty easy to spot the major mistake and figure what they'll have to undo the resurrection to fix the mistake, but here you don't really see it except Rip Hunter.

I do have a funny feeling that we'll find out about Rip Hunters origins sometimes in the near future (it wouldn't surprise me to see that he is related to Ted Kord in some way- mind you there could still be reasons he didn't want Ted Resurrected in that it's possible that his relationship to Ted is due to Ted dying and later being resurrected at a later date or something silly like that)

Great issue, my favorite DC hero is back. I'm going to miss the street level fighting, the bug and the fact that he was always smarter than people thought when he was in the room. And I have a feeling that the Blue Beetle costume will be put to pasture in favor of the Super Nova costume(after modifications) and of course having a brain will help the team out tremendously.

Sam Scudder

01-23-2008, 06:55 PM

I have another time travel issue. If, as Rip Hunter states, you can't go back and change past events that are a part of solid time, then how is it that the three "mystery" villains are able to go back and kill Rex Hunter as a baby?

Sam Scudder

01-23-2008, 06:56 PM

Choppa

01-23-2008, 07:03 PM

avatarjunkie

01-24-2008, 01:20 PM

I'm loving this series, I always felt Booster was "my" hero as I discovered him when I started reading comics. As for Ted coming back, possibly in some ongoing "secret" hero role - I love it! Kudos to the writers and DC for having the stones.

titanfan

01-25-2008, 02:23 PM

No that's what he did after killing Ted Kord..which I didnt ask. Not sure if you noticed but now he didnt kill Ted, FYI there.

The way I read it was--they presumably did something to fake Ted Kord's death here. Max will somehow believe he killed Ted and everything proceeded as usual...

Cthulhudrew

01-25-2008, 08:31 PM

He knew that if he couldn't save her that he couldn't save Ted. At the end of the day, it was just another example of Booster only thinking of his own interests. But I could be wrong here.

I kind of like that theory- hadn't occurred to me before. I'd say it had more to do with Booster's inability to admit he's wrong than self-interest, though, but I suppose it all amounts to the same in the end.

CBikle

01-28-2008, 10:20 PM

is the whole Wonder Woman executing Max thing justified now?

Maybe that won't happen now if Max's big plan is preemptively squashed ?

And to be honest, if the Maxwell Lord/OMAC stuff never happened as written, would anyone really care ?

Those stories really weren't very good.

Capt USA

01-29-2008, 02:54 PM

Maybe that won't happen now if Max's big plan is preemptively squashed ?

And to be honest, if the Maxwell Lord/OMAC stuff never happened as written, would anyone really care ?

Those stories really weren't very good.

the whole omac (not the original series which I loved...have a soft spot in my heart for mohawk heroes) concept isn't really good. I mean a being capable of transmuting thousands of normal humans into beings capable of going toe to toe with the JLA is ridiculous in so many ways that as a concept any editor with a brain should have stopped it.

CBikle

01-29-2008, 06:20 PM

the whole omac (not the original series which I loved...have a soft spot in my heart for mohawk heroes) concept isn't really good. I mean a being capable of transmuting thousands of normal humans into beings capable of going toe to toe with the JLA is ridiculous in so many ways that as a concept any editor with a brain should have stopped it.

Right and the only real significant changes it made to the DCU are the deaths of Beetle and Maxwell Lord (and I think DC is trying to forget about Lord's fiasco plotline for a variety of reasons).

Cutting out the whole Lord/OMAC thing has virtually no impact on the DCU of today (aside from working out Jaime Reyes).

Sean Walsh

01-29-2008, 06:38 PM

Cutting out the whole Lord/OMAC thing has virtually no impact on the DCU of today (aside from working out Jaime Reyes).

Not quite true. It affects CHECKMATE (Sasha Bordeaux), Wonder Woman (her current status largely affected by killing Max Lord) and COUNTDOWN (Brother Eye's possible role in The Great Disaster).

Sam Scudder

01-30-2008, 03:53 PM

Brother Eye wouldn't have even been a part of Infinite Crisis if it hadn't been for Maxwell Lord's meddling. I don't think they're trying to change or remove the OMAC storyline at all. I think maybe we're over-analyzing the significance of the moment.

Joe no Sleep

02-02-2008, 12:00 PM

As I understood it, the beetles were able to pluck Ted out of the timeline with future beetles methods, meaning that for now, Ted is outside reality itself. If he stays alive, he would simply be planted back into reality without having any affect on the timeline.

It's almost like a scenario out of Doctor Who.

Much as we're all cheering for Ted's return, what's up with Rip Hunter's attitude? Maybe he'll kill Ted.:eek: ass.

Matt K

02-02-2008, 01:03 PM

The hardcover's (http://dccomics.com/graphic_novels/?gn=9007) coming out in May. :D

Already ordered. This is looking like a great replacement to my newly canceled Cable & Deadpool.

Descartes_Lives

02-03-2008, 02:44 PM

God, this series is so amazing. With Rip in this series and Buddy Baker in Countdown to Adventure, I'm feeling some serious Forgotten Heroes love. Plus, it's good to see Booster shown in a positive light again.

Des.

Froggy

02-03-2008, 03:16 PM

Though it's fun to reread those issues now and imagine that, every time the goofy League saved the world from the Grey Man or Despero or Starbreaker, Max was in a room somewhere going, "DAMN!"

Less fun rereading the issues where he was striving for redemption.

SEAN

that's hilarious

IRONY...

02-03-2008, 04:27 PM

what happened on the issue with batgirl?

i couldnt buy it and now i cant find it...

can someone pm me the review for avoiding spoilers in the board

Sean Walsh

02-04-2008, 07:57 AM

what happened on the issue with batgirl?

i couldnt buy it and now i cant find it...

can someone pm me the review for avoiding spoilers in the board

I shall utilize the handy spoiler tags, even though I don't think I need to (??) since the issue's over a month old....

Basically Booster goes back and tries to save Barbara from being shot, but he fails every single time. The lesson: some events have to happen and cannot be changed.......Rip Hunter intentionally had Booster try to save her (saying it'd help save Ted) in order to get the message across to him that he just could not save Ted.