New X-Men #46 - Review and Spoilers!!

[Hi-Fi]

Muir Island. Three hours ago.

Mystique looks at a comatose Rogue as Sinister enters. He says there's no cure and that Rogue will die. He also says Gambit is coming back with the child.

Mystique: I know. I've always known - as she pushes him over Rogue, forcing his face against hers. Sinister is dead.

Back to the present. Gambit can't believe Mystique really killed Sinister. That he's finally free of him (Oh, Remy. You should know better). They hear a scream. Regan's.

Outside, the fight is starting. Wolverine yealls at James and Rahne. They can't be soft or they'll die. Scalphunter puts a bullet on his head. Meanwhile, Rahne attacks Arclight, biting a piece off her neck. Riptide gets our conflicted girl out of the battle, through some kind of window. Wolverine is trying to get up. But he can't. Scrambler is at his side, holding his head, canceling his powers. Suddenly, Scrambler loses both hands and is stabbed in the stomach! It's X-23 to the rescue. Hepzibah is being targeted by Scalphunter. Warpath sees it and throws his big vibranium knife in his direction. Scalphunter gets stucked in the wall with the knife through his shoulder. Mystique appears and helps him out. She says they need to stop the X-Men, because Sinister needs more time with the baby. But it's too late. The other X-Men are here! We see Angel, Cyclops, Monet, Iceman, Cannonball, Strong Guy, Colossus and Siryn coming down from the sky!

Cyclops: Take them down, X-Men! All of them! And bring me Bishop!

Mystique rushes down to the lab. Gambit tells her that he only remained with the Marauders because he was placing his faith not in Mystique, but in her love for Rogue.

Gambit: You really believe in this baby?
Mystique: I don't need to believe. I KNOW.

She explains that Destiny saw her, Gambit and the baby in that very room with Rogue. Everything Mystique has done, it was bring they to this moment. She says the child will save Rogue. That all she did, she did for her daughter. Gambit asks her how it work. Do they hook up the kid to a machine? Mystique just makes the baby's face touch Rogue's.

At the Institute, Predator X attacks Santo, biting him. He thens goes for Dust Mercury, but they escape by using their powers. Indra, Trance and Wolf Cub are watching from a window. Predator X jumps for them, and they all run, except for Indra. Surge for the rescue! She's now facing the beast alone!

Muir Island. Away from the battle, Riptide is ready to finish Rahne. But he falls unconscious, courtesy of Professor X, who's now there with Cable. Rahne is out, but alive.

At the lab, something seems to be happening between Rogue and the baby. Gambit pushes Mystique and the baby away from Rogue and fall down with the kid.

Gambit: You never told me! You never said! Do you think Rogue would ever want this? God have mercy of us, Raven...

But surprise, surprise, the baby is alive and kicking. Gambit is shocked. Mystique goes for Rogue but nothing happened. She's still lying there, lifeless. Mystique starts crying on her knees. Saying that she doesn't understand. Rogue is supposed to wake up and realize she saved her and love her again. Gambit says she wouldn't. She would die before harming a child. And so would he. Someone walks in.

Professor X: Remy, I'm so very pleased to hear you say that.

The battle. Storm and Siryn try to defeat Exodus. Colossus and Frenzy fight. Emma freezes Harpon. Bishop faces Unuscione. Cable gets Tempo out of the battle by slamming her head. Xavier contacts him, saying he has the baby. Cable rushes in the lab direction. Charles asks what will Remy do now, and he says he needs to stay at Rogue's side.

The institute. Surge is hurt, almost dying. Suddenly, Predator X gets a big ounch on the face by Anole's big arm. He's there to save her, along with David, Dust, Rockslide and Mercury. Predator X runs.

David: It's a predator. It targets the weak.

Close on Hellion on the medlab bed. Nightcrawler has just woke up and Pixie is annoyingly filling him in on all events, while Beast tries to help him up. We see Loa at Elixir's side at the back. The wall is crushed. Predator X jumps in Hellion's direction, with Hisako and Nezhno trying to stop it, holding on to it. Kurt jumps and teleports Julian out of the way with Loa to the other side of the medlab. Nezhno and Armor are still holding the beast when the rest of the NXM appears, David and Nori working together to defeat the monster. Pixie remembers that X-23 killed one of these things, so she says she'll teleport it to where Laura is now. She then teleports everybody to Muir Island!! Only Loa and the wounded remain.

As soon as Predator X gets to Muir Island, it eats Vertigo! LOL. Then it smells the baby.

Xavier meets Cable. He gives him the baby. Someone is running on their direction, though. It's Bishop!

Cable is going for the run, but Predator X is RIGHT THERE and it jumps for the baby!

TO BE CONCLUDED.

Insane fantastic issue.

[Pach!]

CAMEO by Loa?!?!? :)

[FoolishScribe]

Insane fantastic issue.

Understatment of the week! lol I already read it twice. I can't wait until next week for the conclusion and to re-read the whole crossover intact.

[Flâneur]

I don't get what happened with the baby and Rogue. Is it like Leech/Pulse?:confused:

[just another user]

Insane fantastic issue.

Insane fantastic summary Hi Fi. Thank you!

[Pach!]

Insane fantastic summary Hi Fi. Thank you!

For realz, thanks Hi Fi! :) Very detailed.

[twilight]

That actually sounds amazing.

-Twi

[Toadman005]

Looks like my Gambit and Mystique in cahoots since BLT may ACTUALLY be right.....

[rage6839]

Damn, Bishop didn't shoot Prof X to get at the baby and cause him to be crippled again?! Come on Bishop, after all you done, pop him!!:rolleyes:
Ok, sounds like a good issue and action throughout. Glad to see none of the kids did not get eaten (including Hellion). They have had a rough couple of years. David back in command just the way it should be. Cable vs PredX vs Bishop. should be interesting.

[rage6839]

double post

[Beast]

I don't get what happened with the baby and Rogue. Is it like Leech/Pulse?:confused:
My guess is the baby may be able to reboot/restore mutant powers. Much like Sage or that green glob from X-Men: First Class. That's why she's the hope for mutants in the future. After she grows up and gets a bit of training. I'd assume that would also empty Rogue's mind of all the extra minds within' her.

[worstblogever]

Maybe the baby has a thin force field... like Radius from Alpha Flight? I dunno. It's got something going for it, that's for sure.

And every X-Man got mentioned in the review... EXCEPT DARWIN! Anyone get eyes on that guy? Haven't seen him since Cyclops assembled his team in the Xavier Institute hangar...

[just another user]

My guess is the baby may be able to reboot mutant powers. Much like Sage .....

Now that Sage is no longer on earth 616, could it be that the baby might be some sort of reincarnation of her?

*TROLLING*

[For the Good of X]

Hi-Fi, that was one damned good summary.
I can't wait to get to the LCS and buy this thing TONIGHT!

[Hi-Fi]

I don't get what happened with the baby and Rogue. Is it like Leech/Pulse?:confused:
Too soon to tell, I guess.

Insane fantastic summary Hi Fi. Thank you!

For realz, thanks Hi Fi! :) Very detailed.
Thanks, guys.

That actually sounds amazing.

-Twi
It really was. And I think the final chapter will kick ass as well!

And every X-Man got mentioned in the review... EXCEPT DARWIN! Anyone get eyes on that guy? Haven't seen him since Cyclops assembled his team in the Xavier Institute hangar...
He's not there. I think he stayed in the hangar. LOL.

And thanks, FTGoX. It wasn't a sexy summary like Mitsaso's, though!

[Beast]

And every X-Man got mentioned in the review... EXCEPT DARWIN! Anyone get eyes on that guy? Haven't seen him since Cyclops assembled his team in the Xavier Institute hangar...
He's black.

He's clearly chillin' with BP off panel, discussing how Bishop's turn has made black mutants look bad.

*Sagenods*

[frog]

I've been trying to find the original post and can't but someone did a mock scenario of Pixie and Nightcrawler together in the infirmary where Pixie is going on and on until Nightcrawler reaches for his own life support plug - sounds like it almost happened! :D

[frog]

So Beast is there, but all he gets is a free trip to Muir with everyone else? And what's the deal with Elixir? Is he still unconscious or just making out with Loa again?

[ExodusCloak]

My guess is the baby may be able to reboot/restore mutant powers.

That would make things too easy, touch the baby and get your powers back?

[Beast]

So Beast is there, but all he gets is a free trip to Muir with everyone else? And what's the deal with Elixir? Is he still unconscious or just making out with Loa again?
Well, Loa does get left behind. She's probably making out with his unconscious form. :D

[Hi-Fi]

I've been trying to find the original post and can't but someone did a mock scenario of Pixie and Nightcrawler together in the infirmary where Pixie is going on and on until Nightcrawler reaches for his own life support plug - sounds like it almost happened! :D
Pretty much!

So Beast is there, but all he gets is a free trip to Muir with everyone else? And what's the deal with Elixir? Is he still unconscious or just making out with Loa again?
He's still out.

[Euks]

My guess is the baby may be able to reboot/restore mutant powers. Much like Sage or that green glob from X-Men: First Class. That's why she's the hope for mutants in the future. After she grows up and gets a bit of training. I'd assume that would also empty Rogue's mind of all the extra minds within' her.

Maybe the baby has a thin force field... like Radius from Alpha Flight? I dunno. It's got something going for it, that's for sure.

I wonder if the baby has so much power that Rogue, even in her current state, couldn't absorb it.

How long were Rogue and the baby touching? Was there any kind of reaction when it happened?

[Beast]

That would make things too easy, touch the baby and get your powers back?
Not really. One, they have to wait for the baby to grow up and master it's powers.

And two, you realize how long it's going to take for the baby to touch every depowered mutie?

Not to mention, not every mutant is going to want their power back. They may be happier as humans.

[Hi-Fi]

Well, Loa does get left behind. She's probably making out with his unconscious form. :D
LOL. She actually planned it ALL out with Predator X during poker night.

[frog]

Well, Loa does get left behind. She's probably making out with his unconscious form. :D

Okay, so Loa and Elixir don't end up on Muir Island? I'm confused. I want my issue!

[Hi-Fi]

Okay, so Loa and Elixir don't end up on Muir Island? I'm confused. I want my issue!
Pixie teleports:

Herself, Surge, David, Rockslide, Dust, Mercury, Anole, Beast, Nightcrawler, Armor, Nezhno and Predator X.

Loa, Hellion and Elixir are left behind.

[Pro]

My guess is the baby may be able to reboot/restore mutant powers.

Might be part of her power but likely it involves more, given that she is going to be responsible for the death of a million flatscans within the span of 6 minutes in the future.

Now that Sage is no longer on earth 616, could it be that the baby might be some sort of reincarnation of her?

Yes, you figured it out, of all the thousands of times someone suggested the baby was someone we know and both marvel and a hundred posters said it wasn't you hit the jackpot, tiger . Your noprice will be a non-existent Spidey Mariage memorial plaque :p.

[protogarrett]

Loved this issue but there is one big problem... I don't think half of what this arc has brought up will be even remotely resolved come the last issue.

Baby - How did he escape Wanda's spell? Mutant powers kick in during teen years, so how can he survive Rogue?

Mystique & Gambit - Could have just played undercover for the X-men?

The whole Cable & Bishop thing.

Layla Still Trapped in the alternate future.

Two dupes of Maddrox were sent to two alternate futures. What happened to the other one?

Shiro still has no motivation for being a Maurauder. Yeah he went to Sinister, but it doesn't look like Sinister cured him of what Apocalypse did to him, so why hold any sort of loyalty to him? Oh... wait shit. Didn't Shiro lose his powers in M-Day? Nevermind... =P

Malice still controls Omega Sentinel, but preview pages showed us that anyways. Damn it. I want her back.

[just another user]

So Indra, Match, Trance and Wolfcub are left safely behind too?

[Beast]

So now Hellion will die, while Loa makes passionate love to Elixir's unconscious body.

[ExodusCloak]

Not really. One, they have to wait for the baby to grow up and master it's powers.

And two, you realize how long it's going to take for the baby to touch every depowered mutie?

Why would it have to master if it's powers if all it takes is a touch?
Shouldn't take that long. They could probably do a 100 every day. Put a sign outside the mansion saying that we found a cure to the mutant issue and let everyone come to the baby.

It seems too much of a cop out and just bad writing to turn the baby into that kind of plot device.

[just another user]

Yes, you figured it out, of all the thousands of times someone suggested the baby was someone we know and both marvel and a hundred posters said it wasn't you hit the jackpot, tiger . Your noprice will be a non-existent Spidey Mariage memorial plaque :p.

Heh, Lemon Chiffon, everyone knows the Baby is really Brian M.

[frog]

Pixie teleports:

Herself, Surge, David, Rockslide, Dust, Mercury, Anole, Beast, Nightcrawler, Armor, Nezhno and Predator X.

Loa, Hellion and Elixir are left behind.

Loa and two unconscious guys?

Yep, this was planned in advance. No telling what the X-Men will find when they return.

[protogarrett]

Anyone out there able to give us a scan of Pixie annoying Kurt? ;)

[Hi-Fi]

So Indra, Match, Trance and Wolfcub are left safely behind too?
Yes. Match is not in the issue and Indra, Trance and Wolf Cub aren't seen after Nori saves them. I guess they locked themselves in their rooms. LOL.

[Beast]

Yes. Match is not in the issue and Indra, Trance and Wolf Cub aren't seen after Nori saves them. I guess they locked themselves in their rooms. LOL.
Those kids are going to throw a wild party now that there's no supervision, you just know it. ;)

[frog]

Those kids are going to throw a wild party now that there's no supervision, you just know it. ;)

The mansion is already trashed, might as well.

[Toadman005]

The mansion is already trashed, might as well.

Pfft, trashed is the mansions NORMAL look.

[jarrod]

Sounds amazing, even with the continuity niggle (Vertigo's uh... not a mutant actually). Can't wait. :D

[pryde15]

I am getting it later today and I can't wait!

[just another user]

Sounds amazing, even with the continuity niggle (Vertigo's uh... not a mutant actually). Can't wait. :D

Maybe Predator X got dizzy and ate her by accident?

[Beast]

Sounds amazing, even with the continuity niggle (Vertigo's uh... not a mutant actually). Can't wait. :D
Marvel says she is. She may be a mutate, but her powers are still X-Gene/Mutation based.

[jarrod]

Maybe Predator X got dizzy and ate her by accident?
lolz! Doesn't matter anyway, since the real Vertigo's suppossedly still in the Savage Land.

[jarrod]

Marvel says she is. She may be a mutate, but her powers are still mutant based.
It's a retcon then, and not an on panel one afaik. Feel free cite an issue reference and prove me wrong though. :P

Marvel also said Captain Britian was a mutant once btw. ;)

[Beast]

It's a retcon then, and not an on panel one afaik. Feel free cite an issue reference and prove me wrong though. :P
No. Where do you think they're getting their powers from, magic? :p

[SunfireX]

God this sounds awesome! Thanks for the summary.

[Red Lotus]

Great summary Hi-Fi. I can't wait to get the issue.

I just hope some time in the next issue Gambit gets to put a beat down on Mystique.

[jarrod]

No. Where do you think they're getting their powers from, magic? :p
Genetic tampering from external forces. Just like... uh... every other mutate? ;)

[Sentou Ryoku]

Aw man, Rogue's STILL unconscious? There's one more chapter left. Hopefully, there will still be asses left for her to kick in next week's X-Men. If not, then wow. Weak.

[Brian M.]

Great issue. I had to read it twice in the car before I opened up anything else. The action was great, actually movement towards a conclusion ... I love how EVERYONE is there for the final show down.

Better art too by Ramos. It felt cleaner. Great issue. I want that variant for next week.

[Pach!]

Great issue. I had to read it twice in the car before I opened up anything else. The action was great, actually movement towards a conclusion ... I love how EVERYONE is there for the final show down.

Better art too by Ramos. It felt cleaner. Great issue. I want that variant for next week.

What do the covers look like?

[Beast]

Genetic tampering from external forces. Just like... uh... every other mutate? ;)
Magneto unlocked their X-Genes and evolved them into mutants. Hence, mutates.

[Pach!]

Magneto unlocked their X-Genes and evolved them into mutants. Hence, mutates.

Yeah if their powers are coming from tampered genetics its very probable that they have an x-gene or something equivalent that tastes the same to Predator X.

[Leirus]

Great summary Hi-Fi. I can't wait to get the issue.

I just hope some time in the next issue Gambit gets to put a beat down on Mystique.


Why should he do that? I mean, They both wanted the same thing, to save Rogue... We do not know If Mystique though that the baby was going to die... What intrigues me now is... are the Destiny´s Diaries still valid? And what is going to happen to Rogue? Had the baby-touching any effect at all?

The other future Madrox is going to be back on X-Factor...

And I think in X-Force #1 we are going to see The purifiers attacking the hospital where Rahne is (in the 2# cover she seems to be with hospital clothes). Just my oppinion

But If the baby is going to the future with Cable, I do not now if all her future possibilities will still be valid... I mean, another Bishop´s prophety was about Jubilee being the last X-Men... and all of us know that it is not going to happen (or even be mentioned again)

[Nyssane]

I love that the X-Men massacre the Marauders yet they merely knock the Acolytes out cuz they luff them.

[Beast]

Yeah if their powers are coming from tampered genetics its very probable that they have an x-gene or something equivalent that tastes the same to Predator X.
Savage Land Mutates. The Splenda of the Mutant Universe. :D

[ShaggyB]

Savage Land Mutates. The Splenda of the Mutant Universe. :D

lol for some reason that made me think of a fanta commercial. Dont ask me why as splenda and fanta arent the same but can you not see the mutates dancing to "Wanna Fanta, Dontcha wanna fanta."

[Brent1974]

Sounds like a great issue. I cannot wait. So no mention of Kitty. It does seem like she died in Astonishing more and more since everyone else is there. And any mention of Blindfold?? Or did I miss something in a earlier part?

[Nyssane]

http://www.greatestcities.com/4194pic/317/CP61317.jpg/Fantanas.jpg

Whiteout, Vertigo, Lorelei, and Amphibius (in drag).

[jarrod]

Magneto unlocked their X-Genes and evolved them into mutants. Hence, mutates.
Uh, they weren't even homo sapiens... he evolved them period, through altering their genetics. There's also never been any reference of a X-gene in regards to the Savage Land Mutates on panel.


Yeah if their powers are coming from tampered genetics its very probable that they have an x-gene or something equivalent that tastes the same to Predator X.
So just like the Fantastic Four, the Hulk, Spider-man, etc... gee, why's Preddy-X so hungry all the time? ;)

[chickrockguitar]

You mean... to say... NONE of the kids died?!!! OMFG!!! YESSSSSS!!!!! Heh :D

[Nyssane]

You mean... to say... NONE of the kids died?!!! OMFG!!! YESSSSSS!!!!! Heh :D

They're saving it for next ish.

[Pach!]

Uh, they weren't even homo sapiens... he evolved them period, through altering their genetics. There's also never been any reference of a X-gene in regards to the Savage Land Mutates on panel.



So just like the Fantastic Four, the Hulk, Spider-man, etc... gee, why's Preddy-X so hungry all the time? ;)

Because all of those are much harder to eat than Vertigo

[jarrod]

http://www.greatestcities.com/4194pic/317/CP61317.jpg/Fantanas.jpg

Whiteout, Vertigo, Lorelei, and Amphibius (in drag).
Lolz!

You just know the real Vertigo's sipping mojitos on some Savange Land beach*.










*along with Betsy and Tess!

[Nyssane]

Lolz!

You just know the real Vertigo's sipping mojitos on some Savange Land beach*.










*along with Betsy and Tess!

In this week's Cable & Deadpool, Lorelei's in it (according to Brian) as Deadpool and Bob head to the Savage Land.

Lorelei > Vertigo

[Beast]

Uh, they weren't even homo sapiens... he evolved them period, through altering their genetics. There's also never been any reference of a X-gene in regards to the Savage Land Mutates on panel.
Actually, they were hairy humanoids called the 'Swamp Men'.
The Swamp Men are humanoids covered head to toe in hair that live in the swamplands of the Savage Land. These tribal people have a level of technology comparable to that of Europe's Dark Ages, and are highly skilled in devising weaponry. They are continual enemies of Ka-Zar. The Swamp Men long worshipped a gigantic robot constructed by the alien Saggitarians. The Savage Land Mutates are Swamp Men who Magneto subjected to mutation by artificial means.

The Swamp People first appeared in X-Men #10 (Mar 1965), created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby.

[ProfeZZor X]

Charles gets between Cable and Bishop. Cable is going for the run, but Predator X is RIGHT THERE and it jumps for the baby!

TO BE CONCLUDED.



The perfect cliffhanger conclusion would be for Magneto to make an appearance and magnetically contain the beast before it pounces on Cable.

[Brian M.]

The perfect cliffhanger conclusion would be for Magneto to make an appearance and magnetically contain the beast before it pounces on Cable.

Or a perfect oppotunity for someone to just put a bullet in Bishop.

Course putting Xavier in the middle of those two gun totting men could really be a bad idea.

[Beast]

Or a perfect oppotunity for someone to just put a bullet in Bishop.

Course putting Xavier in the middle of those two gun totting men could really be a bad idea.
Well, we all knew it was only a matter of time before Xavier lost the use of his legs again.

[Brian M.]

Well, we all knew it was only a matter of time before Xavier lost the use of his legs again.

It'd be pretty funny.

[soulkiller]

Awesome issue - best one so far of the x-over. Let's hope the last issue has things going out with a bang and whoo-hoo and not be a let down.

[Teh m0nk3y]

Well, we all knew it was only a matter of time before Xavier lost the use of his legs again.

I hope he gets to keep the use of his legs. Poor guy needs something after all that retcon dirt he's been exposed to.

[Flameworthy]

Sunfire in this issue?

[jester1436]

The perfect cliffhanger conclusion would be for Magneto to make an appearance and magnetically contain the beast before it pounces on Cable.

Eww, no. That sounds friggin' awful. Why would Magneto, after not appearing at all, suddenly show up? There's enough stuff within the story already without adding him to the mix.

[Beast]

Eww, no. That sounds friggin' awful. Why would Magneto, after not appearing at all, suddenly show up? There's enough stuff within the story already without adding him to the mix.
Exactly. There's no reason for Magneto to suddenly show up on Muir Island.

Yes, there were appearances of Magneto in the Uncanny X-Men build-up arc for Messiah Complex. But I think those were there more for Carey's benefit for X-Men: Legacy. Just to establish his status.

[Brent1974]

Or a perfect oppotunity for someone to just put a bullet in Bishop.

Course putting Xavier in the middle of those two gun totting men could really be a bad idea.

Plenty of people around to come from behind and kill Bishop too heh :)

Eww, no. That sounds friggin' awful. Why would Magneto, after not appearing at all, suddenly show up? There's enough stuff within the story already without adding him to the mix.

Yup no Magneto, I'd rather have a surprise appearance by Shadowcat. Her phasing up from the ground grabbing Cable, Xavier and the baby. Then Pred X makes a meal out of Bishop heh.

[worstblogever]

In this week's Cable & Deadpool, Lorelei's in it (according to Brian) as Deadpool and Bob head to the Savage Land.

Lorelei > Vertigo

I read it. No Whiteout, but you do get plenty of Brainchild, Piper, and Lorelei, yeah. Amphibius and Barbarus have what amounts to a cameo.

Although... When Lorelei sang, her power was all "Ooooooooo" and I heard this: http://ooo.ytmnd.com/

[Kal]

Amazing review. Thanks HiFi! :)

Storm and Siryn try to defeat Exodus.

Seriously??!?? She was in this issue? (LOL) How many times did she appear?

I can't believe my baby has been turned into a D-list character :mad:

[Le Drake]

Magneto is already in Muir island. Cable is carrying him. Think about it.

[Phil Hunn]

So wait, this is an issue of New X-Men that features a bloodbath?

Wow, that's never happened before :rolleyes:

C'mon, Kyle & Yost, you must have SOMETHING in your arsenal other than "stuff happens. A bunch of people die horribly"...

[Schuimend Mormel]

Magneto is already in Muir island. Cable is carrying him. Think about it.But the baby's a 'she'.

[Shyft]

So wait, this is an issue of New X-Men that features a bloodbath?

Wow, that's never happened before :rolleyes:

C'mon, Kyle & Yost, you must have SOMETHING in your arsenal other than "stuff happens. A bunch of people die horribly"...

to be fair, this was a cross over, so the "book" that the issue took place in is really irrelevant. It could have been in Uncanny, Adjectiveless or X-Factor, and there still would have been a huge ruck-up this chapter.

[Beast]

Seriously??!?? She was in this issue? (LOL) How many times did she appear?

I can't believe my baby has been turned into a D-list character :mad:
Just cause she doesn't feature heavily, doesn't make her a D-lister. :p

[Shyft]

But the baby's a 'she'.

but so are Ultron and Loki these days, its all the rage.

[Beast]

So wait, this is an issue of New X-Men that features a bloodbath?

Wow, that's never happened before :rolleyes:

C'mon, Kyle & Yost, you must have SOMETHING in your arsenal other than "stuff happens. A bunch of people die horribly"...
There wasn't any pointless New X-Men deaths. So I wouldn't call killing a bunch of clones a bloodbath.

[Le Drake]

But the baby's a 'she'.

So was Magneto when he reincarnated into a Baby in MC!

[rwsmith]

So wait, this is an issue of New X-Men that features a bloodbath?

Wow, that's never happened before :rolleyes:

C'mon, Kyle & Yost, you must have SOMETHING in your arsenal other than "stuff happens. A bunch of people die horribly"...

Hey, if it ain't broke...

And I seriously hope they keep this "stuff happens / a bunch of people die horribly" approach when they're writing X-Force. That team should definitely rack up a body-count IMO.

[jarrod]

In this week's Cable & Deadpool, Lorelei's in it (according to Brian) as Deadpool and Bob head to the Savage Land.

Lorelei > Vertigo
ZOMG... I may have to pick up the last C+D trade then! <3 <3 SLM!


Actually, they were hairy humanoids called the 'Swamp Men'.
Right... so "not homo sapiens" and "genetically altered" it is.

[Askani's Flame]

So was Magneto when he reincarnated into a Baby in MC!
When did he die? Last I saw he was alive and pretty mobile.

[jester1436]

So wait, this is an issue of New X-Men that features a bloodbath?

Wow, that's never happened before :rolleyes:

C'mon, Kyle & Yost, you must have SOMETHING in your arsenal other than "stuff happens. A bunch of people die horribly"...

That'd be a more valid criticism if the entire X-World wasn't in the midst of blood and guts, life and death. You can't expect the next to last issue of a storyline filled with urgency and violence and such to suddenly stop and have a cookie.

And only Vertigo and Scrambler died horribly, and they're Marauders. They don't count.

[Slyfer]

My God that sounded so awesome, too bad where I am they don't sell New X-Men :(

[Beast]

That'd be a more valid criticism if the entire X-World wasn't in the midst of blood and guts, life and death. You can't expect the next to last issue of a storyline filled with urgency and violence and such to suddenly stop and have a cookie.

And only Vertigo and Scrambler died horribly, and they're Marauders. They don't count.
Exactly. Somewhere at Sinister's back-up back-up base, they're being decanted.:)

[SincereAgape]

Great summary Hi-Fi. So wait, just to make sure here is a list of casulties in this issue.


1. Mr. Sinister.
2. Lady Mastermind.
3. Scrambler.
4. Vertigo.

[jarrod]

Technically, Sinister may still be "alive" in Rogue's head.

Actually, this may be an interesting potential storyline going forward, if Essex were ever able to take hold and control.

[Le Drake]

When did he die? Last I saw he was alive and pretty mobile.

Ah, it happened off-panel.
Bishop shot him in the back just before Erik was about to save the world. Tragedy, a terrible tragedy.

[ProfeZZor X]

Exactly. There's no reason for Magneto to suddenly show up on Muir Island.

Yes, there were appearances of Magneto in the Uncanny X-Men build-up arc for Messiah Complex. But I think those were there more for Carey's benefit for X-Men: Legacy. Just to establish his status.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not "WISHING" that it happens... I just thought that with his up and coming appearance in #500, this might be a reintroduction.

Though it would be insteresting to hear his take on the messiah baby.

[Phil Hunn]

That'd be a more valid criticism if the entire X-World wasn't in the midst of blood and guts, life and death.

Come on. Their run on the book STARTED with a huge freakin' cull. And that was before they'd even heard of the new kid or the DeciMation.

And they fed my boy Mammomax to that wretched creature Predator X just to "prove" the thing was bad-ass (which I rank right alongside Morrison needlessly killing Darkstar so that the useless and thoroughly annoying Fantomex could look super-awesome when he killed Weapon XII... by pressing a button on a doohickey). It was thoroughly needless.

Meanwhile, their understanding of the espionage genre seems to be limited to "X-23 shows up. X-23 stabs something. X-23 then looks a bit doleful and upset." Don't get me wrong, I liked both of the X-23 miniseries, and felt that the "stuff happens, people die" formula worked a lot better for her than for the New X-Men, but to keep killing your cast (or in the case of Anole, viciously mutilating him so that he could have a mismatched Popeye-arm - and in the case of Cecily, torturing her so that Predator X could look all cool and shiny) strikes me as a rather self-defeating policy.

[timbox]

Great job on the summary. Awesome issue! Awesome art by Ramos!

[FroFroYo]

Haha. Wrong thread.
xD

Issue sounds amazing, though.

[Beast]

Come on. Their run on the book STARTED with a huge freakin' cull. And that was before they'd even heard of the new kid or the DeciMation.
True. But there has been a lot of death during Messiah Complex outside of New X-Men.

Besides, again they were two clones, who can be recloned anytime. Hardly a bloodbath.
And they fed my boy Mammomax to that wretched creature Predator X just to "prove" the thing was bad-ass (which I rank right alongside Morrison needlessly killing Darkstar so that the useless and thoroughly annoying Fantomex could look super-awesome when he killed Weapon XII... by pressing a button on a doohickey). It was thoroughly needless.
Actually they did that because the Marvel Editor/Elephant Fetishist Mike Marts that saved him from being depowered by M-Day, left to go to DC. So there was noone protecting him.

[Tazirai]

Great summary Hi-Fi. So wait, just to make sure here is a list of casulties in this issue.


1. Mr. Sinister.
2. Lady Mastermind.
3. Scrambler.
4. Vertigo.


RIP.. literally to Vertigo. Poor girl just can't survive a battle.. Hope she comes back tougher next time.. if there is a next..WAIT!
This is comics there will always be a next time.

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Next time she comes back I'd love to see her go "good" and be given some background story.

Basically she's tired of being the marauders punching bag and wants to run with a new group.

[BabeBro]

OMG! This issue seems like it rocked! I would really appreciate if anyone can provide scans of when Rogue kills Sinister and touches the baby! I will provide scans of #207 since I get it early in return :D

I am so excited to know what's gonna go down next issue. Mystique was so sure that Destiny's Diaries were right, yet if I remember correctly, during X-treme Rogue stated that those who believe in the diaries end going in the wrong path or something and that's why she ended up not killing or them not showing when or if she killed Vargas. I knew Mystique would try to pull something like this to get some love from Rogue being that she's mostly busy being Public Enemy # 1, rather then her moms.

As for Gambit, I hate the fact that he's such a softie. Why is he sitting next to Rogue while there is a battle outside. Didn't he get stabbed up by Wolvie? Shouldn't he be out there flipping an ace card at him to retaliate? Well, I guess being that he's "helping" the X-men that would make sense.

[worstblogever]

:D :D OMG! This issue seems like it rocked! I would really appreciate if anyone can provide scans of when Rogue kills Sinister and touches the baby! I will provide scans of #207 since I get it early in return :D

I am so excited to know what's gonna go down next issue. Mystique was so sure that Destiny's Diaries were right, yet if I remember correctly, during X-treme Rogue stated that those who believe in the diaries end going in the wrong path or something and that's why she ended up not killing or them not showing when or if she killed Vargas. I knew Mystique would try to pull something like this to get some love from Rogue being that she's mostly busy being Public Enemy # 1, rather then her moms.

As for Gambit, I hate the fact that he's such a softie. Why is he sitting next to Rogue while there is a battle outside. Didn't he get stabbed up by Wolvie? Shouldn't he be out there flipping an ace card at him to retaliate? Well, I guess being that he's "helping" the X-men that would make sense.


Wouldn't have been great if Mystique shoved Sinister into Rogue's cleavage, and made him "motorboat" himself to death? :D

[jester1436]

Come on. Their run on the book STARTED with a huge freakin' cull. And that was before they'd even heard of the new kid or the DeciMation.

And they fed my boy Mammomax to that wretched creature Predator X just to "prove" the thing was bad-ass (which I rank right alongside Morrison needlessly killing Darkstar so that the useless and thoroughly annoying Fantomex could look super-awesome when he killed Weapon XII... by pressing a button on a doohickey). It was thoroughly needless.

Meanwhile, their understanding of the espionage genre seems to be limited to "X-23 shows up. X-23 stabs something. X-23 then looks a bit doleful and upset." Don't get me wrong, I liked both of the X-23 miniseries, and felt that the "stuff happens, people die" formula worked a lot better for her than for the New X-Men, but to keep killing your cast (or in the case of Anole, viciously mutilating him so that he could have a mismatched Popeye-arm - and in the case of Cecily, torturing her so that Predator X could look all cool and shiny) strikes me as a rather self-defeating policy.

What? They started right after House of M during the Decimation storyline. How can they be culling the cast before they were even on the book?

But you can't fault them for writing what you might feel is inappropriate before when writing something thoroughly appropriate now. New X-Men is not independent in Messiah Complex and other parts of the story have featured the deaths (or at least apparent deaths) of Mr. Sinister, Peepers, Caliban, Lady Mastermind, Lady Deathstrike, a Madrox dupe, Blockbuster and Prism. It's the general tone of the story.

And I'm sorry, but Mammomax is not comparable to Darkstar. AT. ALL. He had nothing going on except being random elephant man. He was perfectly designed for cannon fodder. Darkstar had decades of backstory and appearances. Mammomax probably had enough worthwhile appearances to be counted on both hands, if that. NOT COMPARABLE.

[jester1436]

RIP.. literally to Vertigo. Poor girl just can't survive a battle.. Hope she comes back tougher next time.. if there is a next..WAIT!
This is comics there will always be a next time.

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Next time she comes back I'd love to see her go "good" and be given some background story.

Basically she's tired of being the marauders punching bag and wants to run with a new group.

I'm sure the real Vertigo is fine back in the Savage Land.

Which I think is kind of interesting, because it provides the potential of two different villains being the same in a way that the double female Masterminds never did. Or something.

[Fire_And_Light]

@ Beast- decanted. That's great.

[Red Lotus]

After reading this issue, wow it was even better then I thought it would be. I know how some people were saying that Mystique shouldn't have been able to kill Sinister, but because she knew how the game was going to be played it made perfect sense.

X-Force looked pretty bad ass, and they are doing a great job of making me want to get the book when it comes out. I hope to get some type of Scott/Cable, Scott/Xavier scene before this ends.

Why should he do that? I mean, They both wanted the same thing, to save Rogue... We do not know If Mystique though that the baby was going to die... What intrigues me now is... are the Destiny´s Diaries still valid? And what is going to happen to Rogue? Had the baby-touching any effect at all?


I think the fact that after she touched the baby to Rogue and told Gambit it was to late when he tried to stop her means she thought the baby would die and Rogue would wake up. It kind of goes with what Gambit said about him and Rogue dying before they let her kill a baby.

There wasn't any pointless New X-Men deaths. So I wouldn't call killing a bunch of clones a bloodbath.

Exactly. Somewhere at Sinister's back-up back-up base, they're being decanted.:)

It was a blood bath. :( They maybe clones but they are dropping like flies and with Sinister dead who is going to make more. I'm starting to think that they all are going to get wiped out next issue.

[Beast]

It was a blood bath. :( They maybe clones but they are dropping like flies and with Sinister dead who is going to make more. I'm starting to think that they all are going to get wiped out next issue.
As if Sinister's dead for good. Scott's blown him to bits before.

Sinister's a master of cloning. He's got a back-up of himself waiting for such an emergency.

[soulkiller]

OMG! This issue seems like it rocked! I would really appreciate if anyone can provide scans of when Rogue kills Sinister and touches the baby! I will provide scans of #207 since I get it early in return :D


Deal! http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z76/Rebel_Rogue/

[Kal]

Just cause she doesn't feature heavily, doesn't make her a D-lister. :p

I know :( I miss her.... she should be in more books than that skanky slut! Ugh!

[jester1436]

I know :( I miss her.... she should be in more books than that skanky slut! Ugh!

Well, she was shifted over to Fantastic Four for a while, co-stars in Black Panther, appeared as a character in Civil War and World War Hulk where most other mutants didn't and still appeared in Brubaker's Morlocks story and had appearances in Messiah Complex. She's hardly been that removed from the spotlight, even if I'd rather see her as an X-Man than in any of those other stories.

[BabeBro]

Deal! http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z76/Rebel_Rogue/
Thank u soooo much! Let me know when and if you need any scans of X-Men or Legacy when it comes out!

[Daithi]

Holy crap, Cable referenced the Bright Lady? :o

[timebomb451]

i love how cyclops is a bad -ass now. finally! that line towards the end telling logan to break off from the group, find the baby and kill anyone who gets in the way---great!!

[caney]

Sunfire in this issue?

Yup, he was in a few fight scenes. He even had a line before getting pummeled by Bishop. But don't worry because he was up and fighting again by the end of the issue.

[Euks]

Deal! http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z76/Rebel_Rogue/

I'm not a big fan of Mystique overpowering Sinister like that, it seems kind of out of character. I guess Sinister is supposed to be taken by surprise by it, but it seems like one of his long list of powers would give him some sort of advantage. But like everybody else I fully expect he's cloned himself and will come back.

Now I wonder how long it will be before Erik comes here and explodes.

[frog]

I'm not a big fan of Mystique overpowering Sinister like that, it seems kind of out of character. I guess Sinister is supposed to be taken by surprise by it, but it seems like one of his long list of powers would give him some sort of advantage. But like everybody else I fully expect he's cloned himself and will come back.

Now I wonder how long it will be before Erik comes here and explodes.

Sinister was too arrogant and full of himself to see it coming. The big players never expect to be taken down by a lesser power.

[kate-pryde]

Holy crap, Cable referenced the Bright Lady? :o

Really?!?! What did he say?

I just might have to buy this...

[RickyD410]

Deal! http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z76/Rebel_Rogue/

Oooh, why thank you.

Does anyone have any scans of the students? I cant get my ish today. Its like, twenty million below zero (with wind chill) outside, and there is no way I'm walking to my shop.

[darkness85]

Does anyone know what the variant and regular covers of X-men #207 look like?

[jarrod]

Sinister's gone... you'll only see him again the next time Rogue gets knocked out. ;)

[Red Lotus]

Sinister was too arrogant and full of himself to see it coming. The big players never expect to be taken down by a lesser power.

I agree. He was caught off guard he didn't think that anyone would use Rogue as a weapon to kill him. When Mystique jump him chances are he would have tried to attack her mind first and when that didn't work she had leverage.

If Mystique knows whats going to happen in the game while everyone else is just playing it she could kill Magneto just as easy.

[Euks]

I agree. He was caught off guard he didn't think that anyone would use Rogue as a weapon to kill him. When Mystique jump him chances are he would have tried to attack her mind first and when that didn't work she had leverage.

If Mystique knows whats going to happen in the game while everyone else is just playing it she could kill Magneto just as easy.

Very true, but at the very least Rogue not waking up shows that she wasn't fully correct.

I would have loved to have seen a full-out battle between the X-men and Sinister before the end of MC, but I guess that's not going to happen :(

[Toadman005]

Very true, but at the very least Rogue not waking up shows that she wasn't fully correct.

I would have loved to have seen a full-out battle between the X-men and Sinister before the end of MC, but I guess that's not going to happen :(
You and me both.

[frog]

I just got my issue! It came with an announcement that my subscription officially now switches to X-Force. Oh well, I hope it's good.

You wouldn't think a scene with Predator X bursting into the infirmary would be funny but it was. Pixie is just babbling away as usual, Beast can't get the words "one crisis after another" out before Pred X comes through wall. Pixie is all "OMG! Nezhno! Hit it!" Nezhno: "Thank . . you . . . Megan. . . "

I'm really going to miss C & C writing these guys.

[BabeBro]

When Mystique jump him chances are he would have tried to attack her mind first and when that didn't work she had leverage.
Well, in X-Men #204 he made it clear to her he knew she didn't want her mind probed because she's wearing a psi-shield. So it seems Mystique had this planned all along expecting Sinister to try and use his mental powers on her.

[elixir86]

CAn someone post the scans of last chapter of MC?
and a scan or two...

[Brent1974]

Very true, but at the very least Rogue not waking up shows that she wasn't fully correct.

But how do we know that Rogue was supposed to wake immediately?? Maybe Mystique just thought that she would and it might take a few moments/minutes then she wakes. Thus proving Destiny correct. And honestly how does Remy know he is correct, 'what if' Rogue forgave Mystique? Stranger things have happened. I mean we were told Rogue would be in the crossover at sdome point, and this looks to be it next week.

[frog]

But how do we know that Rogue was supposed to wake immediately?? Maybe Mystique just thought that she would and it might take a few moments/minutes then she wakes. Thus proving Destiny correct. And honestly how does Remy know he is correct, 'what if' Rogue forgave Mystique? Stranger things have happened. I mean we were told Rogue would be in the crossover at sdome point, and this looks to be it next week.

I strongly suspect Rogue will wake up - that burst of energy shown meant something happened.

I still don't see her forgiving Mommy Dearest, however.

[Beast]

I strongly suspect Rogue will wake up - that burst of energy shown meant something happened.

I still don't see her forgiving Mommy Dearest, however.
I still say she should forgive her with a great big smooch. Drain that traitorous skag dry!

[Toadman005]

But how do we know that Rogue was supposed to wake immediately?? Maybe Mystique just thought that she would and it might take a few moments/minutes then she wakes. Thus proving Destiny correct. And honestly how does Remy know he is correct, 'what if' Rogue forgave Mystique? Stranger things have happened. I mean we were told Rogue would be in the crossover at sdome point, and this looks to be it next week.

Well, Mystique is argueably an idiot in the sense that, if she thought the baby was needed to heal Rogue, there were easier ways to go about it... Hell, if she knew the events before they unfolded, she could have even PREVENTED Rogue from becoming infected.

[frog]

Well, Mystique is argueably an idiot in the sense that, if she thought the baby was needed to heal Rogue, there were easier ways to go about it... Hell, if she knew the events before they unfolded, she could have even PREVENTED Rogue from becoming infected.

I doubt Destiny foretold every single event. That's the classical problem with those that predict the future in literature - either they aren't believed, or they only tell enough in such an inscrutable manner for everyone to totally misunderstand what will actually happen.

[jarrod]

Actually, I wonder if whenever Rogue wakes up, if she'll have Sinister's powers (telepathy, shapeshifting, super strenght/endurance, flight, energy blasts, etc)? Buh-bye Sunfire powers?

[Toadman005]

I doubt Destiny foretold every single event. That's the classical problem with those that predict the future in literature - either they aren't believed, or they only tell enough in such an inscrutable manner for everyone to totally misunderstand what will actually happen.

True, but if her ultimate goal was to heal Rogue, wouldn't it be better to KEEP her from getting infected/possessed/etc? I mean, then, she wouldn't have even HAD to betray her....again.....

[Harlock]

That would make things too easy, touch the baby and get your powers back?

Wow, too easy but...

Didn't the Christian Messiah do the same sort of thing? Healed the blind, deaf, lame, dead, etc. with a touch? Hey Beast, great theory. Oh, and you made me LOL with the BP and Bishop chillin' off panel thing.

[Toadman005]

Wow, too easy but...

Didn't the Christian Messiah do the same sort of thing? Healed the blind, deaf, lame, dead, etc. with a touch? Hey Beast, great theory. Oh, and you made me LOL with the BP and Bishop chillin' off panel thing.

Hmmn, that DOES make perfect sense, though....

[Red Lotus]

Very true, but at the very least Rogue not waking up shows that she wasn't fully correct.

I would have loved to have seen a full-out battle between the X-men and Sinister before the end of MC, but I guess that's not going to happen :(

I wanted to see Sinister take on the X-men one more time too.

But how do we know that Rogue was supposed to wake immediately?? Maybe Mystique just thought that she would and it might take a few moments/minutes then she wakes. Thus proving Destiny correct. And honestly how does Remy know he is correct, 'what if' Rogue forgave Mystique? Stranger things have happened. I mean we were told Rogue would be in the crossover at sdome point, and this looks to be it next week.

We know something happen when the baby touched Rogue we just dont know what yet. Gambit looks at like if you ask Rogue what she would want to do, then she would say let me die, because she couldn't live with herself if the baby died to bring her back.

Well, in X-Men #204 he made it clear to her he knew she didn't want her mind probed because she's wearing a psi-shield. So it seems Mystique had this planned all along expecting Sinister to try and use his mental powers on her.

Well she has always had those shields. Her and Gambit being able to block their minds from being read made them the perfect team to cross him.

[BabeBro]

That baby did something to Rogue and I have a feeling we'll find out in # 207 next week.

[Toadman005]

That baby did something to Rogue and I have a feeling we'll find out in # 207 next week.

It threw up on her. Babies do that, y'now. :D

[Beast]

That baby did something to Rogue and I have a feeling we'll find out in # 207 next week.
Just watch Rogue wake up with the baby's psyche dominant. Mystique gets to raise her all over again! :D

[BabeBro]

Just watch Rogue wake up with the baby's psyche dominant. Mystique gets to raise her all over again! :D
LOL, I can just picture Rogue running to her asking to be carried and Mystique running terrified :D

[mr2core]

I can't believe my baby has been turned into a D-list character :mad:

I know right...:mad:

Someone needs to get a hold of RO and write her right:evilangry

But this was a awsome issue, cant wait for the next. The Marauders were getting their arses handed too them. Finally! And it was nice seeing everyone at the same place (Muir Island), now someone just needs to kill that darn Predator.

[Toadman005]

LOL, I can just picture Rogue running to her asking to be carried and Mystique running terrified :D

That'd make her relationship with Gambit awwwwwwwful creepy. :eek:

[Beast]

That'd make her relationship with Gambit awwwwwwwful creepy. :eek:
This is comics. Uncomfortable relationships go hand in hand. :D

[Red Lotus]

That'd make her relationship with Gambit awwwwwwwful creepy. :eek:

The fact that Sinister is in her mind does that.

[Toadman005]

The fact that Sinister is in her mind does that.

Yeah, that'll be.....interesting.

[ProfeZZor X]

Actually, I wonder if whenever Rogue wakes up, if she'll have Sinister's powers (telepathy, shapeshifting, super strenght/endurance, flight, energy blasts, etc)? Buh-bye Sunfire powers?

So then how the hell was Mystique able to hold him down like that and kill him?

Caught by surprise or not, he could have backed out of that death-trap and pimp slapped Mystique afterwards.

[frog]

So then how the hell was Mystique able to hold him down like that and kill him?

Caught by surprise or not, he could have backed out of that death-trap and pimp slapped Mystique afterwards.

Well, no, if he could have I'd think he'd have done so.

[Toadman005]

Well, no, if he could have I'd think he'd have done so.

I think he meant, SHOULDN'T he have been able to. I think he should. leverage or not, if Sisnister can stand while taking a haymaker from Ms.Marvel powered Rogue (he has, smiling) then 120 lbs weak @$$ Mystique shouldn't be able to (leverage and hold or not) push him into Rogue.

But, ah well, she did, apparently.

[frog]

I think he meant, SHOULDN'T he have been able to. I think he should. leverage or not, if Sisnister can stand while taking a haymaker from Ms.Marvel powered Rogue (he has, smiling) then 120 lbs weak @$$ Mystique shouldn't be able to (leverage and hold or not) push him into Rogue.

But, ah well, she did, apparently.

He wasn't expecting the push, however. Once he made skin contact it was all over. Mystique didn't have to hold him down.

[Beast]

Maybe she used the same Mutant STD on him that she did on Iceman. :D

[BabeBro]

In the panels it seems like Mystique placed him in some sort of headlock, and then mushed him into Rogue.

[Canemacar]

I think he meant, SHOULDN'T he have been able to. I think he should. leverage or not, if Sisnister can stand while taking a haymaker from Ms.Marvel powered Rogue (he has, smiling) then 120 lbs weak @$$ Mystique shouldn't be able to (leverage and hold or not) push him into Rogue.

But, ah well, she did, apparently.

Not to mention that only a few issues ago he casually slammed a rampaging Colossus into the floor. Expecting it or not, Mystique wouldn't be able to out-muscle someone like that.

[Toadman005]

He wasn't expecting the push, however. Once he made skin contact it was all over. Mystique didn't have to hold him down.

yeah, I know, I mean, I can see where the writer tried to make it plausible/believeable, I just...it's like beliving you could trip the Thing if he didn't see you stick your leg out. I just always though Sinister was so much tougher than that.

But, as I don't believe he's really dead anyway, he may have ALLOWED it to happen. I still suspect he'll pop back up next week.

[Red Lotus]

He wasn't expecting the push, however. Once he made skin contact it was all over. Mystique didn't have to hold him down.

Yeah that was for dramatic effect. She could have made him headbutt Rogue and then Sinister still would have been killed. I say he was dead and she held him there just to make sure.

[frog]

yeah, I know, I mean, I can see where the writer tried to make it plausible/believeable, I just...it's like beliving you could trip the Thing if he didn't see you stick your leg out. I just always though Sinister was so much tougher than that.

But, as I don't believe he's really dead anyway, he may have ALLOWED it to happen. I still suspect he'll pop back up next week.

You probably could trip the Thing that way, something that heavy is going to have a lot of forward and downward momentum. It's the little unexpected things that get you.

I'd be less surprised to see Lady Mastermind than to see Sinister pop up very soon. He'll probably come back somewhere down the line, but it would take away from MC to have him back now.

[Toadman005]

You probably could trip the Thing that way, something that heavy is going to have a lot of forward and downward momentum. It's the little unexpected things that get you.

I'd be less surprised to see Lady Mastermind than to see Sinister pop up very soon. He'll probably come back somewhere down the line, but it would take away from MC to have him back now.
If I tripped the Thing, you'd see a very VERY fast getaway!
:D

[Red Lotus]

Not to mention that only a few issues ago he casually slammed a rampaging Colossus into the floor. Expecting it or not, Mystique wouldn't be able to out-muscle someone like that.

He used his mind powers to take Colossus out first.

[claimtosubclaim]

Not to mention that only a few issues ago he casually slammed a rampaging Colossus into the floor. Expecting it or not, Mystique wouldn't be able to out-muscle someone like that.

He didn't casually slam Colossus into the floor. He went up behind him when he was occupied by four women and tapped him on the back of the head with what was either telekinesis, a force bolt, telepathic persuasion, or some other random power that he pulled out of the magic box.

[ExodusCloak]

He didn't casually slam Colossus into the floor. He went up behind him when he was occupied by four women and tapped him on the back of the head with what was either telekinesis, a force bolt, telepathic persuasion, or some other random power that he pulled out of the magic box.

'twas telepathy. Then he grabbed Colossus around the neck, slammed him to the ground and the ladies dog piled him.

[Beast]

'twas telepathy. Then he grabbed Colossus around the neck, slammed him to the ground and the ladies dog piled him.
Sounds like a sexy party.

[GeneralSpecific]

Actually the most circular debate I've ever heard:

"She shouldn't have been able to take someone like Sinster out like that."
"But she did"
"He's uber-powered though"
"Clearly she caught him off guard"
"But she shouldn't have been able to...."

But she did. It's a lame end to a fairly awesome character. Evil Knievel died of a lung disease. It happens. Deal with it.

[Novaya Havoc]

This issue made me want to touch myself in several dirty places. And I mean sexual dirty, not unwashed dirty, though for some people the two can be one and the same.

And it didn't even have Dazzler!

The twists! The turns! The deaths! OMG SCRAMBLER'S SCRAMBLED INSIDES!

Indra!

And... CHOMPVERTIGOCHOMPCHOMP.

Mad mad mad mad Kudos. Maaaad Kudos.

"Goo?"

[frog]

Does goo count as a first word?

[Flameworthy]

Wow, this was a really good issue! This crossover has finally got my attention too bad it's already gonna be over. I was really hoping Rogue would finally wake up.:( I really would have liked to have seen her featured more during MC. At least she'll get used by Carey in Legacy. As for Sunfire, I think I'm about through complaining about how bad he's been portrayed lately. It's probably limbo for him after this anyways, which will be a nice break from being written horribly.

[cgar]

cyclops is badass telling logan to get the baby and kill anyone that gets in the way..

x-23 telling wolverine that he heals to slow lol

the kids fighting predater x was B.A.

Riptide about to snap Rhanes neck but professor saving her

this issue was hella good. too bad theres only one issue left

[RoguefanAM]

Not to mention that only a few issues ago he casually slammed a rampaging Colossus into the floor. Expecting it or not, Mystique wouldn't be able to out-muscle someone like that.

Eh, it's not the first time - or the last either, I bet - Mystique's manhandled super-strong characters. She might not be able to hurt them, but she can toss them around a fair bit. Just look at how she took on Frenzy in the Annual (the most recent one). Taking into account that Sinster might not have been expecting the attack makes it's more believable, IMO.

[ProfeZZor X]

You probably could trip the Thing that way, something that heavy is going to have a lot of forward and downward momentum. It's the little unexpected things that get you.

I'd be less surprised to see Lady Mastermind than to see Sinister pop up very soon. He'll probably come back somewhere down the line, but it would take away from MC to have him back now.

Seeing that Lady Mastermind really doesn't have a true place she can call home anymore, it wouldn't surprise me that she becomes a full time Marauder clone now.

The same goes for Omega Sentinel, but she'd most likely fade into obscurity/limbo.

[Sheldon]

This was best issue so far. crazy action.

poor Scrambler

[creaky]

I've been trying to find the original post and can't but someone did a mock scenario of Pixie and Nightcrawler together in the infirmary where Pixie is going on and on until Nightcrawler reaches for his own life support plug - sounds like it almost happened! :D

Here: http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=6042559&postcount=47

I want the issue, but I won't get it before toniiiightt! *whimper*

So...how much time had passed between Kurt getting shot and him being up and ready to fight again?? How does that add up?

[Brent1974]

Here: http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=6042559&postcount=47

I want the issue, but I won't get it before toniiiightt! *whimper*

So...how much time had passed between Kurt getting shot and him being up and ready to fight again?? How does that add up?

Tonight would be awesome, I have to wait for mine to be delivered on Monday/Tuesday. Its $5 shipping weekly verus $60 in gas to go to the nearest Comic Shop. I want to go to the comic shop BUT cant justify the expense plus I get a great discount ordering online.

As for Kurt it cant be much more than a few hours, or a day at most?? I think this whole crossover might take place in MAYBE 48-72 hours perhaps?? Maybe someone else has a better timeframe for Messiah??

[claimtosubclaim]

Tonight would be awesome, I have to wait for mine to be delivered on Monday/Tuesday. Its $5 shipping weekly verus $60 in gas to go to the nearest Comic Shop. I want to go to the comic shop BUT cant justify the expense plus I get a great discount ordering online.

Cant be much more than a few hours, or a day at most?? I think this whole crossover might take place in MAYBE 48-72 hours perhaps?? Maybe someone else has a better timeframe for Messiah??

X-Men 204 is day 1. Part 1 (the one shot) occurs that night. Part 2 is the next day, and ends at night. Part 3 is another day. Part 4 starts that night and then a day passes and it ends the next night. Part 5 and 6 are that night. Part 7, 8 and 9 are the same day. Part 10 appears to be the same day as well, as does part 11 which ends at night. Part 12 is that night. So... not including Part 1 which starts at the end of a day... I'd say roughly six days?

[Brent1974]

X-Men 204 is day 1. Part 1 (the one shot) occurs that night. Part 2 is the next day, and ends at night. Part 3 is another day. Part 4 starts that night and then a day passes and it ends the next night. Part 5 and 6 are that night. Part 7, 8 and 9 are the same day. Part 10 appears to be the same day as well, as does part 11 which ends at night. Part 12 is that night. So... not including Part 1 which starts at the end of a day... I'd say roughly six days?

From what you posted yes it seems six days. Not to bad for all of the action that has happened :)

[Affinity]

I love the way Mystique took out Sinister. BAM! Slamming his head to Rogue's face? Mad clever.

Hot issue; some of the dialouge was a little monologue-rambly but for the most part MAD action and very unpredictable.

[Nyssane]

They were sold out of it at my shop. :( Can anyone scan Frenzy vs. Colossus fo' me? :( :(

[darkness85]

Could they have found a better way to kill Sinister instead of just touching Rogue? :confused: Oh well, I guess it can't be help.

[creaky]

X-Men 204 is day 1. Part 1 (the one shot) occurs that night. Part 2 is the next day, and ends at night. Part 3 is another day. Part 4 starts that night and then a day passes and it ends the next night. Part 5 and 6 are that night. Part 7, 8 and 9 are the same day. Part 10 appears to be the same day as well, as does part 11 which ends at night. Part 12 is that night. So... not including Part 1 which starts at the end of a day... I'd say roughly six days?

So between part 5, in which he gets shot and part 11, it's...two days at most? And he was shot by a 9mm fluted hollow-point bullet? And he's already fit to fight?? I know Beast is awesome and all, but man.

[fitditz]

Great issue :)

A number of nice things: Artwork, Mystique, Prof. X finally doing something, X-23 to Wolvie (he's like her daddy) and probably the best thing....Josh and Julian surviving Messiah Complex!

I still hope that someone (ie. Indra) gets taken out in Chapter 13 though because well...Caliban's death just doesn't cut it!

Oh and...post #100!!!!! :D

[Pach!]

They were sold out of it at my shop. :( Can anyone scan Frenzy vs. Colossus fo' me? :( :(

I shall do it Nyss, just give me some time!

[Affinity]

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii1/juxtapoze/FRENZY.png

PAYBACK for scanning She-Hulk #21 first!!!

[Brett P]

Great summary Vic, the Gambit/Xavier exchange warmed me! :)

Pixie is silly. Teleporting it to X-23? Mercury defeated the other Predator X's just by touching them and absorbing her metal back! Oopsies?

[Nyssane]

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii1/juxtapoze/FRENZY.png

PAYBACK for scanning She-Hulk #21 first!!!

Uh, that's not sexy at all.

[creaky]

Tonight would be awesome, I have to wait for mine to be delivered on Monday/Tuesday. Its $5 shipping weekly verus $60 in gas to go to the nearest Comic Shop. I want to go to the comic shop BUT cant justify the expense plus I get a great discount ordering online.

Forgot to add: you have my sympathies.

[FroFroYo]

Silly little Pixie.

But she saved Loa and 'Lixir.

So good silly Pixie. =D

[Pach!]

Great summary Vic, the Gambit/Xavier exchange warmed me! :)

Pixie is silly. Teleporting it to X-23? Mercury defeated the other Predator X's just by touching them and absorbing her metal back! Oopsies?

The one she touched was dead or dying, right?

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u60/losequismen/Nyssane.jpg

[Brett P]

The one she touched was dead or dying, right?

Hmm, possibly but I didn't think so.

And how's this for suckness - I havn't even had New X-Men #45 yet, letalone this issue!

[claimtosubclaim]

So between part 5, in which he gets shot and part 11, it's...two days at most? And he was shot by a 9mm fluted hollow-point bullet? And he's already fit to fight?? I know Beast is awesome and all, but man.

I don't know about fit to fight. Judging from his "How long was I out" comment, it seems like he just woke up. But it's Kurt. He'll put his best foot forward if he has to. Will the next issue even have a fight aside from the Cable/P-X/Bishop showdown? I sure hope so, because the editors said this would be the biggest X-Men fight ever. So far the fight was pretty cool but the majority of it was X-Force vs. The Marauders and New X-Men vs. P-X. The X-Men/X-Factor team themselves only got two-pages of action :(

I want to see Sam and Kurt get some sweet retribution... also more of Siryn and Monet kicking ass.

[Victorious]

i really love this issue!
the kids vs Pred X! great!
loved how nezhno slow him down! and the kids running to the infarmary "has anyone seen...?" lol
i love ramos' art! it suit so well the kids!

so i was thinking... (if Mercury don't absorb him) Storm and Surge could easily take Pred X, since it is formed with Mercury's skin, and electricity is her weakness.

[claimtosubclaim]

Hot damn was this issue good. I went from hating Yost/Kyle when they first came on board and massacred the New X-Men to loving them (ever since Nimrod, though I think they hit their stride with Children of X-Men). It seems like Carey, Kyle and Yost have gotten all the best parts of the crossover, packing tons of character beats in with action sequences.
Some highlights from this issue:
-The father/daughterlike exchange between Logan and Laura
-X-Men/X-Factor charging in by crashing through the roof
-All of Santo's lines
-Xavier being proud of Remy's statement
-Pixie!
-Nehzno and Armor whomping on Predator-X

[ibrakeforchinwe]

Hmm...so the baby has RED hair now? Wtf....is it jean or not....

[Pach!]

Hmm...so the baby has RED hair now? Wtf....is it jean or not....

Other people aside from Jean have red hair.

[fitditz]

The baby is Firestar~!

[ibrakeforchinwe]

Other people aside from Jean have red hair.

But they specifically deny it and then they changed the baby's hair color to red....its just weird. Anyways....

[Toboe]

Best issue so far, but I have the feeling Carey's finale next week will be even better.

I loved the revelations from Mystique and Gambit, which led to some nice character moments. I think Sinister was somewhat underused in the whole crossover but his supposed death was fitting. I love that we finally get to see Rogue <333

The intense action on this issue is really making me look forward to X-Force. Wolverine getting shot in the eye and then taking out his healing factor... damn. And then X-23 telling him he heals too slow, after he's reformed from a skeleton in seconds made me LOL

I enjoy the Cable/Professor X duo, I wish we had seen more of them.

Good use of the New X-Men (it's their book, after all). The one panel Nehzno/Armor tam-up against Predator X with some charming remarks from Pixie was great. Surge somehow redeeming herself. Loa makes a cameo, and the rest of the students are not just random no-face characters. Hellion and Elixir surviving! All excellent.

It's awesome that everyone ends up on the same place for the big finish. Hopefully Predator X will finally make some sense as to why on earth was it on the crossover at all.

[Hakael]

My only gripe...

Kurt is up and about after being shot with a hollow-point... Elixir is still KO'd from the off-panel collapsing wall of convenience.

Otherwise, amazing issue. I'm sure people are stoked to see Loa sticking to Josh's bedside.

[ProfeZZor X]

What I want to know is why Vertigo is on the cover of #207, when she obviously got eaten by Predator X.

Finch should have done a cover with a group shot of all the dead X-Characters so far. That would clear up any confusions any of us might have.

[Pach!]

What I want to know is why Vertigo is on the cover of #207, when she obviously got eaten by Predator X.

Finch should have done a cover with a group shot of all the dead X-Characters so far. That would clear up any confusions any of us might have.

Covers don't necessarily reflect the inside.

[HeckBoy]

Great issue. This has definitely been Marvel's best crossover in a long time. And yeah! Nezhno's still alive!

[Nyssane]

What I want to know is why Vertigo is on the cover of #207, when she obviously got eaten by Predator X.

Finch should have done a cover with a group shot of all the dead X-Characters so far. That would clear up any confusions any of us might have.

Do you have a link to the cover?

[Victorious]

i just realize....
the panel of the kids looking through the window = first cover of Out There

[Sentou Ryoku]

Dunno if this has been brought up yet but, in last week's X-Factor, Sinister was on the ground bleeding...HOw would he be bleeding if he just 'died' from Rogue's death touch?

[ProfeZZor X]

Do you have a link to the cover?

It's in the back of the New X-Men #46 book, in black & white.

[darksaint124]

Best one yet.

[Volk1]

Fantastic issue!

Vertigo dying: She's not a mutant. Why would Predator X eat her first? Are Savage Land Mutates just sweeter?



As for Sunfire, I think I'm about through complaining about how bad he's been portrayed lately. It's probably limbo for him after this anyways, which will be a nice break from being written horribly.

Agreed. Who is this Shiro? Even with what went down with Poccylips, he still would not have turned out this bad. Real let down in characterization from where I'm at because it still hasn't been said conclusively why he is SO against the X-Men in this situation. Apocalypse is out of the picture here and Shiro only took Gambit and Lorna away because he thought they were Poccy-children or something. It's like he transferred that over to Sinister...and it doesn't make sense to me. It sucks just like Lady M getting axed.

Most refreshing character of 07 and a year later she's X__X!

Maybe this paves the way for Martinique though which would be the only redeemable factor for Regan's death!:)

[Nyssane]

It's in the back of the New X-Men #46 book, in black & white.

:( Curse the comic shop! Does it have Frenzy?!

[ProfeZZor X]

:( Curse the comic shop! Does it have Frenzy?!

It has the following:

Cable
Wolverine
X-23
Bishop
Cyclops
Nightcrawler
Scalp Hunter
Sunfire
Siryn (?)
Vertigo
Mystique
Iceman (?)
Prysm (?)
Scrambler (?)
Uniscone (?)

All are engaged in an all out battle. The ones with question marks are characters that I'm not sure of the identity.

[Le Drake]

Dunno if this has been brought up yet but, in last week's X-Factor, Sinister was on the ground bleeding...HOw would he be bleeding if he just 'died' from Rogue's death touch?

There are some scans out there that show how everything went down. His face started showing these small cracks, as if it had been dried up or something, and blood started to come out from there.

[Pach!]

Nightcrawler is kicking Prism I think.

[Nyssane]

OMGAW PRISM??? :D

Scan the cover, Pachcocko.

[podmark]

I loved this issue! Lots of great fighting and the set up for the finale is sweet.

I'm not a Ramos fan but he's not a bad artist. Alot of his pics are quite nice. But he's kinda jaggy and messy, and over does certain things. It's sometimes hard to make out stuff. Still his art has alot of energy to it and that's good.

This issue certainly makes up for last months New X-Men where the kids (excluding X) appeared in only two pages. Good use of pretty much everyone plus bonus appearances by Wolfcub, Trance, Indra and Loa. I'm still worried about Hellion though - damn that infernal wall!! Also as a huge Prodigy fan any good use of him earns any book an extra 5 points.

Also I love Predator X, he's the stupidest creature ever, and a bit of a lame plot device but he's still awesome.

And now with the X-Men and New X-Men there it's 25 vs 10. That's not counting Wolfsbane (KO'd), Riptide (KO'd), Scrambler and Vertigo (deady) or Professor X, Cable, Bishop, Mystique, Gambit, and Rogue or Predator X as they're out of the fight for the moment.

[Pach!]

OMGAW PRISM??? :D

Scan the cover, Pachcocko.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u60/losequismen/caratula.jpg

[Nyssane]

Omg PRISSSSM!!!! <3

[ProfeZZor X]

That has to be a coloring nightmare.... :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Trey]

That has to be a coloring nightmare.... :eek: :eek: :eek:

Tell me about it. Its due in 7 days. He or she better hurry up. :D

[podmark]

Tell me about it. Its due in 7 days. He or she better hurry up. :D

Actually that brings up a good point - not a single issue of Messiah CompleX was delayed! Yay!!

[Canemacar]

Actually that brings up a good point - not a single issue of Messiah CompleX was delayed! Yay!!

Aaaand you just jinxed it. Thanks a lot. :mad:

;)

[SnakeEater]

and as for the baby, im assuming mystique did what she did because the baby was so powerful she figured the power would just ignite rogue and things would be better.

this series has moved pretty weel but it sucks that i might have to buy cable to see what happens and im not interested in him at all. i may alreayd be dropping thunderbolkts for xforce ugh so confusing

[Trey]

I freakin love Ramos' Wolverine and Cable! Oh, and Baby Jean (you know its her).

Wasn't the art better than what we saw on the previews?

Goo?

[CyberHubbs]

Ramos is definitely putting out some of the best artwork in the entire crossover. I hesitate only slightly to say it might even be better than BACHALO! BACHALO! BACHALO!

This issue is just testament to that.

The one complaint I have is that Surge should have died. Not because I dislike her, which I don't, but because the way she jumped to the rescue was perfect for a death.

[Victorious]

yet she used Pred X possible only weakness: electricity. she saves indra, then tell everyone to go to the infarmary and before pixe teleport everyone, she was going to tell cess to absorb pred x. i think we have our sane nori back! love how david tell her surge! they're definetly over.

[podmark]

yet she used Pred X possible only weakness: electricity. she saves indra, then tell everyone to go to the infarmary and before pixe teleport everyone, she was going to tell cess to absorb pred x. i think we have our sane nori back! love how david tell her surge! they're definetly over.

Actually I think she was going to tell Mercury to stab it as she compared the strategy to X-23's attacks.

I did notice David calling Nori Surge, but in 44 he called her Nori so it's probably just a battle = codenames thing. I'm not really sure where those two are, but thats a discussion for the New X thread.

[BabeBro]

Oh my God! I think Rogue is fighting Mystique on the bottom right hand corner :eek:

[herrjonp]

Anyone notice how Surge didn't appear in the big group picture after the teleport? I don't think they'd leave Surge behind which makes me wonder if there are other students there that likewise were just not shown in the teleportation panel.

Man I loved the baby's comment, "goo?" and Rockslide's "Holy Crap" and Pixie's Captain Obvious moment. Man reading these issues makes me wonder why I didn't get into comics earlier.

[podmark]

Anyone notice how Surge didn't appear in the big group picture after the teleport? I don't think they'd leave Surge behind which makes me wonder if there are other students there that likewise were just not shown in the teleportation panel.


Surge is above Anole, below Predator X.

[ClanAskani]

This was the best issue so far. Ramos art wasn’t his best work, but the story was so good I didn’t mind the not so great panels. (the baby looked strangely out of proportion sometimes, especially her head)

The highlights for me were:

- Mystique: trying to help Rogue in her own flawed, amoral and severly demented way. I like how it turned out she’s still trying to make amends with Rogue, just thinks sacrificing a baby would be an acceptable way to do it. She’s still totally evil, yet loves Rogue. It’s a brillant compromise.

- Surge redeeming herself.

- "Goo?”

- The New X-Men teleporting in. Pixie needs to stick around in some book, preferably with adult characters she can annoy.



New X-Men ended on a great issue. I hope we hear about Young X-Men soon. I'm going to miss the kids.

[ClanAskani]

Really?!?! What did he say?

I just might have to buy this...

Nathan said "Bright Lady be praised" when Xavier told him that he had the baby. i.e. the Askani version of "thank god" I suppose.

But I'm sure someone will figure out how a way that implies the baby is Rachel or Jean.

[Mr. Koologne]

I can't get mine till Friday =(

Wait, so where did the New Xmen teleport just to the infirmary?

[Dr. Chaos]

You know, it's ironic.

I've been telling people for years that Sinister was a bitch, how appropriate it is that he's taken out like one.

[BabeBro]

You know, it's ironic.

I've been telling people for years that Sinister was a bitch, how appropriate it is that he's taken out like one.
Or better yet, taken out by one:D

[RickyD410]

Nathan said "Bright Lady be praised" when Xavier told him that he had the baby. i.e. the Askani version of "thank god" I suppose.

But I'm sure someone will figure out how a way that implies the baby is Rachel or Jean.
Nah, cus then he would have just said "Baby be praised!"
I can't get mine till Friday =(

Wait, so where did the New Xmen teleport just to the infirmary?

The New X-Men teleported FROM the infirmary TO Muir Island to join the battle.

[sbo]

Mystique must have been doing some serious weight training, she's stronger than Sinister now.

[worstblogever]

"goo?" Should be the new "SNIKT!"

[storm_willing_slave]

All those good fights going on and it was hard to tell what the hell was going on! It was very disappointing to me!:mad:

[RickyD410]

All those good fights going on and it was hard to tell what the hell was going on! It was very disappointing to me!:mad:

I completely understand and agree. There were a few good panels, but so many were just a mess. Its hard to see whats going on.

[Daithi]

Nathan said "Bright Lady be praised" when Xavier told him that he had the baby. i.e. the Askani version of "thank god" I suppose.

But I'm sure someone will figure out how a way that implies the baby is Rachel or Jean.

Yeah probably but I thought it was nice reference to Rachel. The rest of the issue kicked all kinds of awesome too!

[elixir86]

and hte varian cover?^

[DeadXMan]

loved X's and wolvie's exchanges
and logan's WTF moment with pred X

[mosdef]

Does Predator X also prey and feed on non-mutants or does it prey on mutants only?

[soulkiller]

Mystique must have been doing some serious weight training, she's stronger than Sinister now.

Size and strength don't factor in as much as you think it would in this case. She caught him off guard and quickly used her leverage against him. He didn't have time to react. Having taken martial arts for a number of years, I can safely tell you that a small woman can easily take down a large muscled man if you react quickly and with the proper techniques. And Mystique is highly skilled in various forms of hand-to-hand combat.

Looks good on Sinister anyway. *does Nelson impression* "Ha-Ha, you're dead!" For now anyway. Who knows how many clones he has of himself...

[darksaint124]

Does Predator X also prey and feed on non-mutants or does it prey on mutants only?

Predator X hunts the X-gene, no one knows its other eating habits. Vertigo was in the wrong place/wrong time and became dinner.

[Teh m0nk3y]

I think somebody compared Predator X eating habits with mutants translating to "chicken" and mutates to "turkey".

[DeadXMan]

,more like "I can't believe it's not Mutant"

[SnakeEater]

Nathan said "Bright Lady be praised" when Xavier told him that he had the baby. i.e. the Askani version of "thank god" I suppose.

But I'm sure someone will figure out how a way that implies the baby is Rachel or Jean.

i dont know how slow i am but that just hit me...
rachel and bishop were born after Mday obviously. now lets assume this baby wasnt born, what does that mean for rachel...iusnt she a time paradox or something?

[darksaint124]

i dont know how slow i am but that just hit me...
rachel and bishop were born after Mday obviously. now lets assume this baby wasnt born, what does that mean for rachel...iusnt she a time paradox or something?

Rachel is pretty much unique, because of her chronokenesis she is safe from altered realities and time fluxes. During M-day Rachel and Betsy went to the WHR instead of the alternate reality.

[SnakeEater]

Rachel is pretty much unique, because of her chronokenesis she is safe from altered realities and time fluxes. During M-day Rachel and Betsy went to the WHR instead of the alternate reality.

perfect example as to why i foudn it hard to read x-men.
now with spiderman all messed up i dont know what book to turn to with decent continuity or decent story explanation

:confused:

[Leirus]

i dont know how slow i am but that just hit me...
rachel and bishop were born after Mday obviously. now lets assume this baby wasnt born, what does that mean for rachel...iusnt she a time paradox or something?

I think it is more like her future was erased in the M-day... When they discovered that there were only two futures with mutants, wath did the say?
"there are only two alternate presents like our own with mutants" or "There are two other timelines left with mutants at all"... I am not sure... maybe Rachel´s timeline was already too divergent to be affected at all. because if all the other timelines with mutants are erased, The Exiles will become a pretty lame series... oh, wait...

And, really, Rachel is already a walking time Paradox... his mother has ben dead like 100000 times without without being her mother (oh, well, maybe another time).

It would be fun if each time that Jean comes back, she paired with a different x-men and Rachel reflected those changes (blue-furry Rachel, Hairy-beer-drinker Rachel, Winged Rachel, Icy Rachel, Lucky Rachel, Sluggish-Rachel and so on...)

[The Lucky One]

So if Sinister is really dead (and I'm sure we all have our doubts, but let's just take it as given for now), then presumably this is the last batch of Marauders, right? Not to say Sinister wasn't growing any more, but without him around to complete the process, I doubt anyone else has the know-how to get them out of the test tubes and functional. So in theory, Scrambler is dead for good, and possibly Blockbuster as well. Vertigo too, although since there's another one in the Savage Land with the Mutates, she gets a pass.

If I were Prism, I'd be really worried right about now.

-D

[DeadXMan]

sinister has some self sufficient facilities.

when one dies I think it stats growing a new meradure

[The Lucky One]

sinister has some self sufficient facilities.

when one dies I think it stats growing a new meradure

Right, Beast and Gambit found some half-grown Marauders when they raided one of Sinister's bases in X-Men #34... what I'm saying is, without Sinister maintaining the machines and finishing the cloning process, I wouldn't be surprised if something goes wrong. (The Sabretooth and Riptide clones that attacked Beast and Gambit were unstable and near mindless.)

-D

[Daithi]

perfect example as to why i foudn it hard to read x-men.

Basically she can shield herself (and others as seen in Excalibur) from changes to the timestream (but not changes to reality).