New X-Men #46 - Review and Spoilers!!

[ExodusCloak]

Mystique must have been doing some serious weight training, she's stronger than Sinister now.

Didn't her mini have her control her density so she could phase through walls and gain super strength similar to Vision? But then again I always thought Mr. Sinister was Class 100.
So I'm just going to turn a blind eye to it because the catching him off guard in a choke hold thing is just hard to eat, I'd have prefered her throwing a naked Rogue at him.

[Nyssane]

So if Sinister is really dead (and I'm sure we all have our doubts, but let's just take it as given for now), then presumably this is the last batch of Marauders, right? Not to say Sinister wasn't growing any more, but without him around to complete the process, I doubt anyone else has the know-how to get them out of the test tubes and functional. So in theory, Scrambler is dead for good, and possibly Blockbuster as well. Vertigo too, although since there's another one in the Savage Land with the Mutates, she gets a pass.

If I were Prism, I'd be really worried right about now.

-D

The real Prism is probably the one we saw in the mental institution in Generation M or whateva.

[Hi-Fi]

I'm glad Arclight is not dead yet. She never gets any love around here and she's awesome.

[Canemacar]

So if Sinister is really dead (and I'm sure we all have our doubts, but let's just take it as given for now), then presumably this is the last batch of Marauders, right? Not to say Sinister wasn't growing any more, but without him around to complete the process, I doubt anyone else has the know-how to get them out of the test tubes and functional. So in theory, Scrambler is dead for good, and possibly Blockbuster as well. Vertigo too, although since there's another one in the Savage Land with the Mutates, she gets a pass.

If I were Prism, I'd be really worried right about now.

-D

If Sinister were really dead, as per the exercise, one of his many back-up clones of himself would activate; ensuring there will be someone to carry on his work and respawn Marauders.

[Ragnorok64]

Mystique somehow overpowering Sinister did seem kind of strange to me. Also how much must it suck the be Vertigo? One moment you're fighting X-men, the next you're dinner for some random monster that popped out of nowhere. It'd be like getting into an argument in the park only to be eaten my a crocodile that falls from the sky.

[The Lucky One]

Didn't her mini have her control her density so she could phase through walls and gain super strength similar to Vision? But then again I always thought Mr. Sinister was Class 100.
So I'm just going to turn a blind eye to it because the catching him off guard in a choke hold thing is just hard to eat, I'd have prefered her throwing a naked Rogue at him.

We didn't see her feet... she could easily have swept his legs out from under him, using his momentum to make him touch Rogue. I agree Sinister's way stronger than her, but all the strength in the world is useless against the right leverage.

-D

[tent]

Listen
This whole thing is ending off kinda lame.
The whole Predator X thing is almost comic relief.
Mystique over powering Sinister like that? Yeah right.

Why exactly is the baby important?
So she can touch Rouge?

I really hope Xavier does not lose his legs again.

[Hi-Fi]

I think Sinister just thought he was getting into some twisted mother/daughter/Sinny threesome.

[The Lucky One]

I think Sinister just thought he was getting into some twisted mother/daughter/Sinny threesome.

No, Rogue has a vagina, Hi. Sinister's not having any of that.

-D

[Home made ectoplasm]

So if Sinister is really dead (and I'm sure we all have our doubts, but let's just take it as given for now), then presumably this is the last batch of Marauders, right? Not to say Sinister wasn't growing any more, but without him around to complete the process, I doubt anyone else has the know-how to get them out of the test tubes and functional. So in theory, Scrambler is dead for good, and possibly Blockbuster as well. Vertigo too, although since there's another one in the Savage Land with the Mutates, she gets a pass.

If I were Prism, I'd be really worried right about now.

-D

If Sinister were really dead, as per the exercise, one of his many back-up clones of himself would activate; ensuring there will be someone to carry on his work and respawn Marauders.

OK, but I don't understand how he can be dead and still clone himself. It's all done automatically? Has this been shown before? :confused:

I still think the most likely way he can come back is becoming Rogue's dominant personality. Then he's got a body, he can clone himself if he wants to.

Just got my issue today and like everyone said, it's pretty great. How hardcore is Wolverine though, getting shot in the eye, getting his healing power scrambled - and he's still up and fighting!

[ProfeZZor X]

No, Rogue has a vagina, Hi. Sinister's not having any of that.

-D

He's getting some of that telepathic Exodus love.... Instant Messaging his perverted thoughts.

[Toadman005]

He's getting some of that telepathic Exodus love.... Instant Messaging his perverted thoughts.

Is Exodus gay? :confused:

[Deus ex Chris]

Is Exodus gay? :confused:
Does a mall babe eat chili fries?

[scouse mouse]

I still think the most likely way he can come back is becoming Rogue's dominant personality. Then he's got a body, he can clone himself if he wants to.

Thats what i think is going to happen, either that or he will take control more subtly before eventually transferring back to a clone body he has going spare somewhere. Thing is though, why exactly did Sinister want the baby? If he wanted to experiment on it, I can't see the Acolytes willing to join him. This has been my only complaint about this story (apart from killing Lady M:mad:) that even with all these issues not a lot is being properly explained and too much emphasis placed on certain characters. I know X Force is going to be launched after MC ends but they have dominated a lot of the action through out the cross over. Plus if X Force are so secret how come they are operating along side everybody else?

[Beast]

Is Exodus gay? :confused:
Have you seen his costumes? Besides, he's French. Same thing. :D

[Home made ectoplasm]

Is Exodus gay? :confused:

You haven't been on the X Boards long so I'll clue you in... unless stated otherwise, everyone in the X Books is gay.

If stated otherwise, they're probably in denial.

[Porcelain]

I like Ramos usually, but the art ruined this for me. Don't know if it was a bad mix with the colourist & inker but I found it really REALLY hard to make out what was going on in the art - distinguishing characters from backgrounds, is that Pred-Xs hear or arse, who's who, did Kurt & Pixie just teleport or is that pixie dust etc etc etc. Very frustrating.

Read it again and appreciated the issue more, but the art destracts from and confuses the story so much.

[Hi-Fi]

I think Sinister's mind is now in Rogue's body, and Rogue's mind is now in the baby's body, and baby's mind is now in Predator X's body!!!

[Pro]

It's all done automatically? Has this been shown before?

Given that he has returned from the dead at least 18 times already ..
Of course we don't know if he can return someone if their very essence has been sucked into a mutant power/memory absorber.

[ProfeZZor X]

Is Exodus gay? :confused:

Let's look at the clues:

Long hair
Flamboiant clothing
A cape
Bright red skin
Floats in the air

Notice any similarities to Liberace?

http://oregonmag.com/Liberace.jpg

[Madama Butterfly]

I really like how this crossover is wrapping up. I can't wait for the hardcover edition of this!

[BabeBro]

Didn't her mini have her control her density so she could phase through walls and gain super strength similar to Vision? But then again I always thought Mr. Sinister was Class 100.
So I'm just going to turn a blind eye to it because the catching him off guard in a choke hold thing is just hard to eat, I'd have prefered her throwing a naked Rogue at him.
By the way, what class mutant is Sinister? If you don't mind me asking.

[Victorious]

You haven't been on the X Boards long so I'll clue you in... unless stated otherwise, everyone in the X Books is gay.

If stated otherwise, they're probably in denial.

lol, so true

[darksaint124]

By the way, what class mutant is Sinister? If you don't mind me asking.

Sinister is not a mutant. He's a mutate. Apocalypse made him what he is.

[Omega Alpha]

This book was insane. Seriously, clearly Kyle & Yost have lost their minds completely.

And that's a great thing!

Might be part of her power but likely it involves more, given that she is going to be responsible for the death of a million flatscans within the span of 6 minutes in the future.


She may not have killed a million humans by herself, since she became an important leader, she may have given the orders only.

If Sinister were really dead, as per the exercise, one of his many back-up clones of himself would activate; ensuring there will be someone to carry on his work and respawn Marauders.

Yeah, I mean, I can't believe there's people that actually believe he's dead. I mean, no one read Inferno?

[For the Good of X]

I never considered Mystique one of the big guns in the X-Verse. Yeah, she ran the Brotherhood for a bit, turned them into Freedom Force, kinda went good, kinda killed Moira, etc etc. She's always been her own agenda - as she still is here - not a major wave maker in the mutant universe.

But damn, killing Sinister? While it requires some mild extra suspension of disbelief just because of obvious power differences, I find it completely plausible that Mystique did what she did. Especially in context of what's at stake for Rogue, etc.

I wonder if they will follow through with Mystique being a major force. On par with Xavier, Magneto, Shaw, etc.

Otherwise, the issue lived up to the expections set by Hi-Fi's review. I read it 3 times and enjoyed every page. I didn't even mind Ramos' art - the energy and action were THAT strong.

I can't wait for next week...and that's the highest compliment I can provide.

[Toadman005]

Let's look at the clues:

Long hair
Flamboiant clothing
A cape
Bright red skin
Floats in the air

Notice any similarities to Liberace?

http://oregonmag.com/Liberace.jpg

Ahhhh, yes, it's apparent now. :D

[dotdotdot]

I never considered Mystique one of the big guns in the X-Verse. Yeah, she ran the Brotherhood for a bit, turned them into Freedom Force, kinda went good, kinda killed Moira, etc etc. She's always been her own agenda - as she still is here - not a major wave maker in the mutant universe.

But damn, killing Sinister? While it requires some mild extra suspension of disbelief just because of obvious power differences, I find it completely plausible that Mystique did what she did. Especially in context of what's at stake for Rogue, etc.

I wonder if they will follow through with Mystique being a major force. On par with Xavier, Magneto, Shaw, etc.

Otherwise, the issue lived up to the expections set by Hi-Fi's review. I read it 3 times and enjoyed every page. I didn't even mind Ramos' art - the energy and action were THAT strong.

I can't wait for next week...and that's the highest compliment I can provide.

i can't believe there's even discussion about this. look at the lengths carey went to just to power rogue up enough to be able to kill sinister......mystique just did the equivalent of pulling the trigger on an ultimate nullifer. sinister isn't the blob or juggernaut. he can be moved a couple of feet when caught unawares.

[Brian M.]

i can't believe there's even discussion about this. look at the lengths carey went to just to power rogue up enough to be able to kill sinister......mystique just did the equivalent of pulling the trigger on an ultimate nullifer. sinister isn't the blob or juggernaut. he can be moved a couple of feet when caught unawares.

Yea I don't get why it's a big deal that she moved Sinisters head down a couple of feet.

[Slyfer]

Vertigo being bite in half was priceless. so many oh shit moments . Professor taking an active role. Sweet

[Shaid O Gray]

value I like Ramos usually, but the art ruined this for me. Don't know if it was a bad mix with the colourist & inker but I found it really REALLY hard to make out what was going on in the art - distinguishing characters from backgrounds, is that Pred-Xs hear or arse, who's who, did Kurt & Pixie just teleport or is that pixie dust etc etc etc. Very frustrating.

Read it again and appreciated the issue more, but the art destracts from and confuses the story so much.

I agree, and I think it also makes Sinister's death scene a little awkward. Don't get me wrong, it's very clear what's happening, but the way it's drawn, it doesn't look like it's happening very fast.

I can totally see how Raven with foreknowledge could take Sinister like this unawares. (poor guy was very distracted too ya know. I mean he's just been swamped lately... all those disgruntled employees, elusive babies, party-crashing X-Men, work, work, work,)

But it'd have to be a lightning fast move, which isn't really what this feels like.

Feels more like this or something:

http://www.visualmatter.net/sinistersdeath.jpg

And yeah I got too much free time...

[Hi-Fi]

You win the internet with that joke and that sexy avatar of yours, Shaid!

[darksaint124]

Shaid, you got my vote.

[Ragnorok64]

I was just thinking, could Vertigo have avoided getting eaten if she didn't wear an outfit that looks like candy?

[Shaid O Gray]

You win the internet with that joke and that sexy avatar of yours, Shaid!

Yay! Finally it's mine! All mine!

(insert maniacal laughter)

Now first of all, there shall be more comic sites. I have spoken.

Oh, and more porn...:cool:

Shaid, you got my vote.

The presidency as well.... Sweet

[Slyfer]

I honestly didn't even recognize that the art wasn't all that, because the story was well thought out and I was engrossed right up to the last page.


Now I see alot of people belittling Mystique as if she isn't a worthy villian. I'll have you all know she has been one of the key players in nearly every single major X-Men event (except Onslaught). Mystique is a figure head in X-men history and for those of you who have a problem seeing her take out "nigh omnipotent" Sinister need to remember that Raven is a major X- Villian who has betrayed and set more schemes into notion than any other mutant in the X-Universe. I think it made sense seeing as how Sinister had nothing to fear from Raven as he was over confident in his abilities to handle anything she could have thrown at him. I bet his train of thought was nowhere near or even close to such a scheme to take him down. Mystique "killing" Sinister made perfect sense as a direct assault would have not worked. She had the element of surprise and she used it well.

Also Mystique's mind is also trouble for even Xavier to probe effeciently, just pointing that out as well :).

[Come To Deathstrike]

I never considered Mystique one of the big guns in the X-Verse. Yeah, she ran the Brotherhood for a bit, turned them into Freedom Force, kinda went good, kinda killed Moira, etc etc. She's always been her own agenda - as she still is here - not a major wave maker in the mutant universe.

But damn, killing Sinister? While it requires some mild extra suspension of disbelief just because of obvious power differences, I find it completely plausible that Mystique did what she did. Especially in context of what's at stake for Rogue, etc.

I wonder if they will follow through with Mystique being a major force. On par with Xavier, Magneto, Shaw, etc.

Otherwise, the issue lived up to the expections set by Hi-Fi's review. I read it 3 times and enjoyed every page. I didn't even mind Ramos' art - the energy and action were THAT strong.

I can't wait for next week...and that's the highest compliment I can provide.

Oh you're my new favourite.
Mystique is queen in the land of awesome.
:D


And this bit made me feel sad.
But proved my point about how Mystique is secretly nice.

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z76/Rebel_Rogue/Newxmen46_7.jpg

[Flight]

Ooh, look at Sinister's pearly whites!

[For the Good of X]

i can't believe there's even discussion about this. look at the lengths carey went to just to power rogue up enough to be able to kill sinister......mystique just did the equivalent of pulling the trigger on an ultimate nullifer. sinister isn't the blob or juggernaut. he can be moved a couple of feet when caught unawares.

Yea I don't get why it's a big deal that she moved Sinisters head down a couple of feet.

I completely agree that is perfectly in context. But I can also understand the incredulity of some posters because, you know, it's Mr Sinister, who's long been touted as a big big bad guy. But if you've been reading all along this is the PERFECT way for Sinister to go out and for Mystique to show how big her cojones really are! As Shaid's funny captioning demonstrates, Ramos might have better served the story point by using a single panel shove down of Sinister into Rogue's face. Like, HOLY SH!! she just OMGZ etc etc.

But I love it. That Mystique becomes the real driver behind so much that has happened...and all to save her foster daughter. You could completely feel and believe her misery at seeming failure in those panels where her panic appears. It's interesting that Xavier doesn't even address her when he leaves Gambit with Rogue. Raven's just on the floor, a total mess. Much like many a mother would be.

But we all know Rogue isn't going anywhere and so Raven's machinations will not have been in vain. That's why I wonder what they'll do with her next. She's risen in the character hierarchy, she's somewhat redeemed herself where Rogue and Destiny are concerned....Gosh I hope they don't consider her story told and feed her to Predator X.

[BabeBro]

I am not surprised at Raven's actions. Even back when she first joined Rogue's team I knew she had something to prove. At one point, I thought she would attempt to sacrifice herself in order to save Rogue. Then I started to think if she'd be capable of doing that, and nope. Her love for Rogue isn't that deep, so her actions in New X-Men towards the baby weren't a shocker. Which reminds me, Mystique stated that Destiny predicted that the baby would make Rogue wake up. From what I understand during the X-treme books they stated Destiny's predictions were mostly metaphors that needed to be deciphered. So basically, I don't think Mystique's plan didn't work.

Maybe the baby "woke" Rogue up in a nother way :confused:

[darksaint124]

I completely agree that is perfectly in context. But I can also understand the incredulity of some posters because, you know, it's Mr Sinister, who's long been touted as a big big bad guy. But if you've been reading all along this is the PERFECT way for Sinister to go out and for Mystique to show how big her cojones really are! As Shaid's funny captioning demonstrates, Ramos might have better served the story point by using a single panel shove down of Sinister into Rogue's face. Like, HOLY SH!! she just OMGZ etc etc.

But I love it. That Mystique becomes the real driver behind so much that has happened...and all to save her foster daughter. You could completely feel and believe her misery at seeming failure in those panels where her panic appears. It's interesting that Xavier doesn't even address her when he leaves Gambit with Rogue. Raven's just on the floor, a total mess. Much like many a mother would be.

But we all know Rogue isn't going anywhere and so Raven's machinations will not have been in vain. That's why I wonder what they'll do with her next. She's risen in the character hierarchy, she's somewhat redeemed herself where Rogue and Destiny are concerned....Gosh I hope they don't consider her story told and feed her to Predator X.

They're not gonna feed her to Preddy X, They're gonna feed her to Wolverine.

[Brent1974]

Just got this isue in the mail, and it is awesome :) I cannot wait for next weeks final part :)

[Chris Yost]

Thanks for the kind words, everyone.

[For the Good of X]

Thanks for the kind words, everyone.

You're most welcome. This was the most fun, fine-tuned, nail biting, on character issue of the crossover yet!

[For the Good of X]

They're not gonna feed her to Preddy X, They're gonna feed her to Wolverine.

Nah, if Raven has really saved Rogue, I think Logan would defend her to some degree.

[Toadman005]

Nah, if Raven has really saved Rogue, I think Logan would defend her to some degree.

I'm hoping that, when someone re-enters that room, they find Gambit, by Rogue, and the smoldering corpse in the corner of what WAS Mystique, after Gambit blew her to smitherines.

[Brent1974]

Thanks for the kind words, everyone.

Your welcome. This was a awesome read, action packed. Looking forward to the rest of the Crossover. And then X-Force :D Starring X-23.....and a few others heh.

[Brian M.]

Mr. Yost can you use Qwerty in X-Force?

[Shaid O Gray]

Maybe the baby "woke" Rogue up in a nother way

Yeah, maybe a delayed effect. I wonder if Destiny specified that Raven had to touch the baby to Rogue's face or if that was her assuming/improvising.

Anyone any guesses as to what powers Rogue will be having when she (FINALLY!!) wakes up? Just her own? Sunfires? Sinisters? I think Carey said it was going to be different than before.

[protogarrett]

Anyone know which students Predator X was eating in the graveyard?

[Come To Deathstrike]

Maybe they body swapped.
Baby rogue.
Mystique starts anew.
My lamery astounds me sometimes.
=]

[Pach!]

Anyone know which students Predator X was eating in the graveyard?

It was never stated so you can choose whatever makes you feel better.


a) Unknown students who died when Magneto attacked the mansion

b) Quill

c) Wallflower, because her mom wanted her to stay buried near her friends.

d) Icarus


Whatever works for you.

[protogarrett]

Thanks for the kind words, everyone.

I haven't loved some of these characters more than I have in this issue. Way. To. Go.

[Come To Deathstrike]

Thanks for the kind words, everyone.

You wrote
"OHMIGOD NEHZNO HIT IT"
You are now my deity.

[BabeBro]

Yeah, maybe a delayed effect. I wonder if Destiny specified that Raven had to touch the baby to Rogue's face or if that was her assuming/improvising.

Anyone any guesses as to what powers Rogue will be having when she (FINALLY!!) wakes up? Just her own? Sunfires? Sinisters? I think Carey said it was going to be different than before.
I don't know which powers Rogue will stay with but I hope it isn't Sunfire's. I never believed that suit her much. As far as which powers she'll stay with? I dunno, but I'm sure carey will surprise us. I hope she she gets some action in # 207. I haven't seen Rogue fight in forever.

[Come To Deathstrike]

I don't know which powers Rogue will stay with but I hope it isn't Sunfire's. I never believed that suit her much. As far as which powers she'll stay with? I dunno, but I'm sure carey will surprise us. I hope she she gets some action in # 207. I haven't seen Rogue fight in forever.

There was some thread ages ago about rogue, and what we'd like to see for her.
Tank, stick with sunfire, plain absorbtion yadda yadda.

I said i wished for her to absorb sinister.
I sitll think it's viable.
The same dynamic she had with Carol, but with Essex.
It would be sweeeet.
=]

[DarkCrisis]

With Armor being in this issue and Kitty still MIA I guess shes not coming bback from Astonishing.

[Toadman005]

There was some thread ages ago about rogue, and what we'd like to see for her.
Tank, stick with sunfire, plain absorbtion yadda yadda.

I said i wished for her to absorb sinister.
I sitll think it's viable.
The same dynamic she had with Carol, but with Essex.
It would be sweeeet.
=]

It'd make her relationship with Gambit weird....

[BabeBro]

There was some thread ages ago about rogue, and what we'd like to see for her.
Tank, stick with sunfire, plain absorbtion yadda yadda.

I said i wished for her to absorb sinister.
I sitll think it's viable.
The same dynamic she had with Carol, but with Essex.
It would be sweeeet.
=]
I know about that thread, I made it :D
I also suggested that it would be crazy to make Rogue a telepath.
But what some people keep arguing is that Sin will eventually takeover
Rogue's mind. I personally do not believe this. I'll believe he has a clone
before believing that. I have a feeling that Xaviers involvement in Legacy
is going to have plenty to do with Charles helping Rogue deal with all
those minds in her head. If Rogue has Sunfire & Sinister's powers still avaialble
for her to use, that would be too cool :eek:

[frog]

Thanks for the kind words, everyone.

Thank you for an entertaining adventure! I'm sorry to see this title end but hope to enjoy X-Force as much.

[ProfeZZor X]

Thank you for an entertaining adventure! I'm sorry to see this title end but hope to enjoy X-Force as much.

So does this New X-Men #46 issue mark the end of this book, or will there be a couple more to give them closure?

[Slyfer]

Mr. Yost you're my Hero :),Thank you bub, I enjoyed this issue very much.I had like no complaints from start to finish, perfect pacing, perfect diaolgue from Adults to kids, priceless :)

[frog]

So does this New X-Men #46 issue mark the end of this book, or will there be a couple more to give them closure?

According to the blurb that came with my subscription this was the last issue. My subscription is now automatically transferred to X-Force.

[Red Lotus]

Nah, if Raven has really saved Rogue, I think Logan would defend her to some degree.

Defend her. Naw she tried to kill a baby and with Sinister dead its going to look like she was the one who set every thing up. Plus Wolverine goes after her in the next arc of his own book so I doubt he is going to defend her.

[For the Good of X]

I'm hoping that, when someone re-enters that room, they find Gambit, by Rogue, and the smoldering corpse in the corner of what WAS Mystique, after Gambit blew her to smitherines.

That would be entertaining.

Defend her. Naw she tried to kill a baby and with Sinister dead its going to look like she was the one who set every thing up. Plus Wolverine goes after her in the next arc of his own book so I doubt he is going to defend her.

Darn it, I forgot about this. So some of the blame must be laid at her feet. No doubt because she didn't tell what she knew. But then couldn't the X-gang have read the damned books. After all Kitty had a copy. Yeesh.

Oh well. I hope Wolvie doesn't kill her. For the first time since the Uncanny arc where Destiny was killed - such an awesome Raven story that one - I like Mystique.

[Shaid O Gray]

I hope she she gets some action in # 207. I haven't seen Rogue fight in forever.

Yeah, Carey writes her really well, and who knows what happens in 207, but when they said she'd have something important to do in MC, in didn't think that meant she'd be snoring through 12 out of the 13 chapters!

And I really hope they're not keeping Sinister in her head. I think they did that whole bit to death with Carol Danvers. And with Sinister (who already instantly took her over in Inferno) it would just get....creepy. Especially for Gambit.

-"Hey Chere, how'bout a careful snuggle, eh?"

-"Why of course, LeBeau, I do declare I thought you would never ask!"

-"....mebbe I come back later."

As for her having all those powers, that would start to resemble all-powerful Rogue from X-treme again. Can't keep doing that. And Sinister's powers alone would almost put her there already!

[Omega Alpha]

I would love if they don't cop out and finally kill Mystique. But I bet that she will seemingly become good, with some saying that she hasn't changed, and in the end then she'll backstab everyone again:rolleyes:

[GeneralSpecific]

I would love if they don't cop out and finally kill Mystique. But I bet that she will seemingly become good, with some saying that she hasn't changed, and in the end then she'll backstab everyone again:rolleyes:

Wow, I just got really bad deja vu there.
I would like Mystique as the major villain behind the scenes (second to Magneto obvz.) She's got knowledge of the future, she's clearly got an eye for a fiendish scheme and she knows how to work things to her advantage. She should be more of a threat than she's been portrayed in recent years.
I hope Wolverine doesn't actually 'Get Mystique' :(

[For the Good of X]

Yeah, Carey writes her really well, and who knows what happens in 207, but when they said she'd have something important to do in MC, in didn't think that meant she'd be snoring through 12 out of the 13 chapters!


Perhaps being the death of Sinister was/is her big contribution to the tale? I hope not...but....

I would love if they don't cop out and finally kill Mystique. But I bet that she will seemingly become good, with some saying that she hasn't changed, and in the end then she'll backstab everyone again:rolleyes:

I think that's part of her charm - the devil you wouldn't recognize.

[Tazirai]

Fantastic issue!

Vertigo dying: She's not a mutant. Why would Predator X eat her first? Are Savage Land Mutates just sweeter?




Naw it's like a stated fact, well not so much stated. That Vertigo and Scrambler, perhaps two of the most powerful Marauders, are also the Jobbers of the group. Every team has them. You've never noticed that Vertigo has NEVER lasted a single fight, Except for the one time where she took out the ENTIRE avenger team singlehandedly. She Also Took out the Air guard of those Sauriod people in the Savage Land.

In a one on contest she's wimptastic.
Still not sure if there are TWO Vertigoes or just one, some sources say two, some say it's the same. Should ask Wolverine, he could sniff it out.
http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/4000/3561/90803-vertigo_400.jpg

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/10000/9735/15394-scrambler_400.jpg
Scrambler for his powers, should be near wolverine in combat proficiency, He doesnt last to long either, but we see Vertigo Job more often.

Poor Prism.. get honorable mention :D
http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/10000/9736/91106-prism_400.jpg

[Omega Alpha]

I think that's part of her charm - the devil you wouldn't recognize.

Yeah, right, who wouldn't regonize that someone that has been doing the same thing she's doing now for over a century, and the only storyline she has is her becoming seemingly good to backstab everyone would just backstab everyone? Mystique backstabbing everyone has been done more than Xavier losing the ability to walk, Magneto and Jean Grey dying, etc.

[protogarrett]

I would love if they don't cop out and finally kill Mystique. But I bet that she will seemingly become good, with some saying that she hasn't changed, and in the end then she'll backstab everyone again:rolleyes:

I see that happening too. I liked her as an X-Woman actually. =)

[Pixie_Solanas]

I love how Ramos drew the baby as a freakin' POKEMON. Goo?

[BabeBro]

Yeah, Carey writes her really well, and who knows what happens in 207, but when they said she'd have something important to do in MC, in didn't think that meant she'd be snoring through 12 out of the 13 chapters!

And I really hope they're not keeping Sinister in her head. I think they did that whole bit to death with Carol Danvers. And with Sinister (who already instantly took her over in Inferno) it would just get....creepy. Especially for Gambit.

-"Hey Chere, how'bout a careful snuggle, eh?"

-"Why of course, LeBeau, I do declare I thought you would never ask!"

-"....mebbe I come back later."

As for her having all those powers, that would start to resemble all-powerful Rogue from X-treme again. Can't keep doing that. And Sinister's powers alone would almost put her there already!
I doubt Carey will give us the same Carol dilemma. Xavier will make sure of that. I also do not wish for her to recall previous power templates, that would be too much and not make her unique.

[MuhollandDriver]

i finally read the issue.

Despite not falling in love with Messiah Complex, this issue was good. i seem to enjoy it more when the New X-Men or X-Factor writers are writing it.

It will be interesting to see who goes where. i think that the school and remaining children need to be taken away from Scott. Storm and Beast would be ideal mentors for them. This crossover raised more questions than answers...but if its goal was to set the pace for the next chapter in X-World...that is what needs to be done.

[broodjeork]

speaking about scott, i wonder if raising a blackopp unit, wich is meant to kill and does, is a federal crime

if so it'l come back and bite him in the butt

[Brian M.]

speaking about scott, i wonder if raising a blackopp unit, wich is meant to kill and does, is a federal crime

if so it'l come back and bite him in the butt

If it's a black op unit and they are found out about then their not very black op uh?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Well, well, well, finally read the issue.

I sort of got over how Cyke got about the - promised no less - lamest push EVER (unless he starts mass-murdering Marauders in the last issue - yeah right) and I do find MC one hell of an entertaining read, BUT...

Damnit, I actually like Cable, but I have no idea what the hell he's thinking.

Let's make sure the kid save *this* timeline but getting him out of here. Wait, what? And if those wanting to save the baby originally were destined to prevail, what's up with keeping it away from them? Not to mention shouldn't it interfere with the timeline anyway by removing the child?

And damnit, why the hell wasn't out there killing/silencing timetravelers and precogs during the past couple rather than hang out with Rogue and Mystique (but not do a damn thing - although he might've known Mystique's move wouldn't hurt the child...? But even then, kid's in arm's way.) if the baby's that important?

I like the hardcore solo angle, but, aw hell, I'll humor Bru and throw in another damnit.

Still a hell of a fun read, though.

EDIT: But then again, it might be a daddies issues motif. If the baby's defenders prevailed the first time around, that means his old man would've been the one protecting the messiah, right? Ok, that last one's a joke, but it almost makes more sense than what's on panel. Oh well.

[claimtosubclaim]

Well, well, well, finally read the issue.

I sort of got over how Cyke got about the - promised no less - lamest push EVER (unless he starts mass-murdering Marauders in the last issue - yeah right) and I do find MC one hell of an entertaining read, BUT...

Damnit, I actually like Cable, but I have no idea what the hell he's thinking.

Let's make sure the kid save *this* timeline but getting him out of here. Wait, what? And if those wanting to save the baby originally were destined to prevail, what's up with keeping it away from them? Not to mention shouldn't it interfere with the timeline anyway by removing the child?

And damnit, why the hell wasn't out there killing/silencing timetravelers and precogs during the past couple rather than hang out with Rogue and Mystique (but not do a damn thing - although he might've known Mystique's move wouldn't hurt the child...? But even then, kid's in arm's way.) if the baby's that important?

I like the hardcore solo angle, but, aw hell, I'll humor Bru and throw in another damnit.

Still a hell of a fun read, though.

EDIT: But then again, it might be a daddies issues motif. If the baby's defenders prevailed the first time around, that means his old man would've been the one protecting the messiah, right? Ok, that last one's a joke, but it almost makes more sense than what's on panel. Oh well.

Cable didn't know about the baby when he was hanging out w/ Rogue and Mystique. Also, he wants to leave this time because ostensibly, if he raises it right (which involves getting the hell away from Bishop and The Purifiers), it won't become the mutant antichrist like it did in Bishop's time. Also, this whole taking the baby to raise it in the future thing was meant to parallel Scott's own sacrifice of Nathan to the Lady A'skani. Cable was almost the mutant messiah (see Burnt Offering), and history is repeating itself.

[creaky]

Yay:
- PIXIE!! Especially in the panel where she hides behind Kurt (Okay!) and her ADORABLE smile when she gets her "genius" idea of teleporting them all to X-23. Oh I love her so MUCH.
- Kurt's up and about! Uhm...two days after getting shot with a 9mm hollowpoint bullet?? Go stamina. Still. He's up and about! And somehow, Ramos manages to make him look HOT. Yum. Also, he gets to do stuff! Imagine that.
- I don't know if it's intentional, but Ramos art made me laugh out loud in places. I was entertained.
- Ramos also does a great Predator X.
- So much stuff happening! And all these subplots coming together in a way that, amazingly, didn't feel contrived (well, OK, the Pixie teleport did, a little, but, knowing Pixie, only a little).
- The baby tugging at Mystique's hair! (Yank harder. Make it HURT.)
- Loved Laura's and Logan's exchange.
- Emma taking out Harpoon without even looking.<3
- Awesome fight scenes overall.

Boo:
- Doesn't really have anything to do with the quality of the issue, but man am I tired of the endless drama between Mystique and Rogue while Kurt remains a non-entity in the b**ch's life. Bah.
- Like many others, I have my doubts about Mystique actually being able to wrestle someone of Sinister's size. But then, I have heard of mothers lifting cars to save their kids, so who knows.
- Gambit's coat is fugly. Not really a "boo", but I just HAD to point that out, because ick. You just know he wears that thing 24 hours a day, to the bathroom, in bed and while having sex in sleazy motel rooms. It's gotta REEK.
- Sometimes Ramos' art works and sometimes...not. Why is Storm shooting lightning out of her vagina? What is UP with Karima's buns in the panel after Vertigo gets munched? Does her ass inflate at the sign of danger?
- Why does Logan always get pwned these days??

Whu?
- Does Kurt suddenly have a healing factor?

So: AWESOME. Just awesome. I loved it.

[Shaid O Gray]

Why is Storm shooting lightning out of her vagina?

I bet T'Challa has been asking that very same question.


What is UP with Karima's buns in the panel after Vertigo gets munched? Does her ass inflate at the sign of danger?

Do not doubt the wisdom of technology so superior we can't even begin to comprehend it. To contemplate Karima's inflating ass is not for the likes of us...

Why does Logan always get pwned these days??

Because Marvel has no other way these days of making new characters or villains cool. They either beat the crap out of/ save the life of Wolverine. (Over at DC, it's 'standing up to Batman' that makes new characters cool)

Of course the result isn't that new characters look cool, just that Logan starts to look like he should maybe think of retiring if this is the best he can do nowadays...

[MuhollandDriver]

Vagina jolts!

Bwah!

i agree..the artwork on new x-men is hit and miss.....when it hits tho...it is great.

[Magneto X]

Originally Posted by creaky
Why is Storm shooting lightning out of her vagina?

Because she CAN, my friend. Because she can.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I honestly didn't even recognize that the art wasn't all that, because the story was well thought out and I was engrossed right up to the last page.


Now I see alot of people belittling Mystique as if she isn't a worthy villian. I'll have you all know she has been one of the key players in nearly every single major X-Men event (except Onslaught). Mystique is a figure head in X-men history and for those of you who have a problem seeing her take out "nigh omnipotent" Sinister need to remember that Raven is a major X- Villian who has betrayed and set more schemes into notion than any other mutant in the X-Universe. I think it made sense seeing as how Sinister had nothing to fear from Raven as he was over confident in his abilities to handle anything she could have thrown at him. I bet his train of thought was nowhere near or even close to such a scheme to take him down. Mystique "killing" Sinister made perfect sense as a direct assault would have not worked. She had the element of surprise and she used it well.

Also Mystique's mind is also trouble for even Xavier to probe effeciently, just pointing that out as well :).

"Major X-Villian"? Maybe in the movies but she has NEVER meant anything to the real X-verse. A nobody that was getting punked out by Rogue at turn and treated like utter garbage by Dark Beast in Onslaught. But now she can magically outprep the best plotter in the X-Universe behind Lord Magneto himself? Yeah right. Mystique is a loser. The sooner Exodus and the others disover her disception and punk her out, the better.

I mean..the big three in the X-verse was always Magneto, Apocalypse, and Sinister. It even seemed like Sinister passed Apocalypse since he always found ways to outprep him and get his way in the end. The notion of Raven Darkholme getting the drop on him is akin to Dr. Octopus getting the drop on Dr. Doom. It's a complete JOKE.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Cable didn't know about the baby when he was hanging out w/ Rogue and Mystique. Also, he wants to leave this time because ostensibly, if he raises it right (which involves getting the hell away from Bishop and The Purifiers), it won't become the mutant antichrist like it did in Bishop's time. Also, this whole taking the baby to raise it in the future thing was meant to parallel Scott's own sacrifice of Nathan to the Lady A'skani. Cable was almost the mutant messiah (see Burnt Offering), and history is repeating itself.

So he didn't know about the baby and yet was RIGHT THERE to pick him up? Come on. If he'd been fighting blind like the X-Men, sure, I'd buy it.

And about raising it right, the whole problem is that by removing the child, the current timeline could change rather dramatically. Meaning Cable could be just chilling in the future while the folks in the present badly need that Messiah kid. I'm just saying he removed the kid from a slightly compromised timeline and instead chose 50/50 odds. Sure, his heart's in the right place, but it's not exactly a smart tactical move. :eek:

[worstblogever]

Vagina jolts!

Bwah!

i agree..the artwork on new x-men is hit and miss.....when it hits tho...it is great.

They're the new nanocrabs.

[Come To Deathstrike]

"Major X-Villian"? Maybe in the movies but she has NEVER meant anything to the real X-verse. A nobody that was getting punked out by Rogue at turn and treated like utter garbage by Dark Beast in Onslaught. But now she can magically outprep the best plotter in the X-Universe behind Lord Magneto himself? Yeah right. Mystique is a loser. The sooner Exodus and the others disover her disception and punk her out, the better.

I mean..the big three in the X-verse was always Magneto, Apocalypse, and Sinister. It even seemed like Sinister passed Apocalypse since he always found ways to outprep him and get his way in the end. The notion of Raven Darkholme getting the drop on him is akin to Dr. Octopus getting the drop on Dr. Doom. It's a complete JOKE.

GASP TO YOU.
Mystique is the plotter extraodinaire.
Sinister just is cool.
Mystique is a martial arts demon.
And she's just generally awesome.
FACT.

[Magneto X]

But now she can magically outprep the best plotter in the X-Universe ?

Easy. One, he can't read her mind. And, two, having read the diaries of her darling Irene, she knows the future. Sinister doesn't know the future because Mystique had Gambit destroy the diaries. Then she hung out with Sinister long enough to get to know him and know when his guard is down and all she had to do was move his head two feet.

Prep doesn't mean shit when someone knows the future.

Plus Mystique never been bad at prep herself, especially the betrayal kind.

[podmark]

So he didn't know about the baby and yet was RIGHT THERE to pick him up? Come on. If he'd been fighting blind like the X-Men, sure, I'd buy it.

And about raising it right, the whole problem is that by removing the child, the current timeline could change rather dramatically. Meaning Cable could be just chilling in the future while the folks in the present badly need that Messiah kid. I'm just saying he removed the kid from a slightly compromised timeline and instead chose 50/50 odds. Sure, his heart's in the right place, but it's not exactly a smart tactical move. :eek:

I'm guessing Cable didn't know about the baby until Gambit and Sunfire attacked him and mentioned the "One minute before dawn". After surviving the explosion he probably checked his data and realized what was about to happen.

[worstblogever]

It's a complete JOKE.

A complete joke would've been if she took him out with a pie to the face.

Or by sleeping with him, which Sinister has kind of lost his connections to lust after living for like 150 years now.

This was plausible, and maybe the art doesn't convince you of the physical nature of how she pushed Essex into Rogue.

But it happened. If Domina can kill Sinister 17 times... let Mystique have one. He'll clone himself and make her wish she hadn't at some point in the future. Bank on it.

[creaky]

Do not doubt the wisdom of technology so superior we can't even begin to comprehend it. To contemplate Karima's inflating ass is not for the likes of us...

Didn't Inspector Gadget have a device that inflated him like a balloon and thus...uhm...protected him from stuff by making him bounce? Maybe it's one of those.

i agree..the artwork on new x-men is hit and miss.....when it hits tho...it is great.

Yeah, Ramos is growing on me. I used to find his style extremely distracting, but here, it just felt fitting. Maybe because the cartoony quality of it balances the violence out? In any case, I think he tells the story well.

Because she CAN, my friend. Because she can.

I'll buy that. If I could, I would.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'm guessing Cable didn't know about the baby until Gambit and Sunfire attacked him and mentioned the "One minute before dawn". After surviving the explosion he probably checked his data and realized what was about to happen.

I dunno, man. It's that ONE FATEFUL moment and we're supposed to buy that Cable has all the intel on his hard drive but never bothered to check it out?

These ain't MP3s or vids.

[Hi-Fi]

A complete joke would've been if she took him out with a pie to the face.

LOL LOL LOL Yes, please??

[podmark]

I dunno, man. It's that ONE FATEFUL moment and we're supposed to buy that Cable has all the intel on his hard drive but never bothered to check it out?

These ain't MP3s or vids.

Well it's just a guess. Technically the future has changed several times and the present is being written and rewritten so it's possible.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

So if Sinister is really dead (and I'm sure we all have our doubts, but let's just take it as given for now), then presumably this is the last batch of Marauders, right? Not to say Sinister wasn't growing any more, but without him around to complete the process, I doubt anyone else has the know-how to get them out of the test tubes and functional. So in theory, Scrambler is dead for good, and possibly Blockbuster as well. Vertigo too, although since there's another one in the Savage Land with the Mutates, she gets a pass.

If I were Prism, I'd be really worried right about now.

-D

Don't forget one thing...Exodus proved during the Quicksilver series that he's capable of resurrecting dead Acolytes. Perhaps the same could be done to the Marauders and they would owe their loyalties to him.

A complete joke would've been if she took him out with a pie to the face.

Or by sleeping with him, which Sinister has kind of lost his connections to lust after living for like 150 years now.

This was plausible, and maybe the art doesn't convince you of the physical nature of how she pushed Essex into Rogue.

But it happened. If Domina can kill Sinister 17 times... let Mystique have one. He'll clone himself and make her wish she hadn't at some point in the future. Bank on it.

Lost connections with lust? He had access to a naked version of Jean Grey coming out of her teens(Madelyne Pryor)..not to mention Faye Livingstone went on a rant about him perversely studying her reactions when he captured her in his dungeon in X-Men '95. So who knows.

Domina didn't kill Sinister though. She obviously killed some phony fake versions of him.

Easy. One, he can't read her mind. And, two, having read the diaries of her darling Irene, she knows the future. Sinister doesn't know the future because Mystique had Gambit destroy the diaries. Then she hung out with Sinister long enough to get to know him and know when his guard is down and all she had to do was move his head two feet.

Prep doesn't mean shit when someone knows the future.

Plus Mystique never been bad at prep herself, especially the betrayal kind.

Can't read her mind? You know better than that...Sinister reads EVERYONE'S MIND at some point and usually keeps tracking on every mutant alive. Why or how that changed in this storyline? I have no idea. Still...knowing the future and moving a infallible being boarders a little on the ridiculous side. Quicksilver had future abilities and still came up short in Son of M.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Well it's just a guess. Technically the future has changed several times and the present is being written and rewritten so it's possible.

And yet he seems rather confident that this one moment matters in every timeline.

It screams retcon for the sake of an event, but for never sharing that intel, Cable automatically gets to be an asshole.

Runs in the family, if it's any consolation.

[Shaid O Gray]

A complete joke would've been if she took him out with a pie to the face.

HiFi:
LOL LOL LOL Yes, please??

Oh, you had to ask. Now I couldn't resist.

http://www.visualmatter.net/sinistersdeathpie.jpg

Turns out it was his kryptonite.....:D

[Hi-Fi]

LOL. Amazing!

[claimtosubclaim]

And yet he seems rather confident that this one moment matters in every timeline.

It screams retcon for the sake of an event, but for never sharing that intel, Cable automatically gets to be an asshole.

Runs in the family, if it's any consolation.

He didn't actually make an asshole move, like try to kill X-Force when they ran after him. He just didn't trust the X-Men, since
a.) half of his most recent X-Men team consisted of villains, who defected.
b.) he must've heard word of an X-Man traitor.
c.) lets face it, they invaded his home and tried to take him out before.

Like I said, the whole taking the baby to the future idea was likely conceived by the writers to parallel baby Nathan being taken into the future. Whether or not it makes sense, it's all part of the dramatic illusion. It's not *the most* illogical thing ever, especially since we know that a shitload of people either want that baby dead or to manipulate the baby in the current timeline that it's in. Sinister wanted to manipulate baby Nathan and Apoc wanted to kill him in the current timeline as well, and he turned out okay being raised in the future.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

He didn't actually make an asshole move, like try to kill X-Force when they ran after him. He just didn't trust the X-Men, since
a.) half of his most recent X-Men team consisted of villains, who defected.

It's not as if he told Cyke to not berate his subordinates for questionable decisions...? Or say, it's not as if he *knew for sure* Mystique would turn on them and didn't actually say it out loud...?


b.) he must've heard word of an X-Man traitor.

Wouldn't that qualify as an asshole move to not tell them? Or say, not trust them to not completely f**k up in the final round?


c.) lets face it, they invaded his home and tried to take him out before.

Like I said, the whole taking the baby to the future idea was likely conceived by the writers to parallel baby Nathan being taken into the future. Whether or not it makes sense, it's all part of the dramatic illusion. It's not *the most* illogical thing ever, especially since we know that a shitload of people either want that baby dead or to manipulate the baby in the current timeline that it's in. Sinister wanted to manipulate baby Nathan and Apoc wanted to kill him in the current timeline as well, and he turned out okay being raised in the future.

Oh, I *did* say his heart's in the right place. I'm just saying he's playing with odds that are either just as bad or worse. The child was meant to survive this. Because she, well, she *did*. It's not exactly a back-to-the-wall desperate scenario, is it?

Unless his intel was insanely vague and has about nothing to do with the content of the Destiny Diaries. Then, yeah, sure. But as I said, he kinda had a specific location for the toddler, eh. Oh well.

[claimtosubclaim]

Wouldn't that qualify as an asshole move to not tell them? Or say, not trust them to not completely f**k up in the final round?


I figure he doesn't trust his father (or Emma) very much, since Scott led an invasion on his utopian society in what was probably less than a year ago. The cold vibes are probably still there. Obviously, both Scott and Nathan have Messiah Complexes, so both think that it's their task to save the baby. The only Summers male who doesn't have any Messianic ambitions is poor Alex, who is lightyears away.

[Brian M.]

I figure he doesn't trust his father (or Emma) very much, since Scott led an invasion on his utopian society in what was probably less than a year ago. The cold vibes are probably still there. Obviously, both Scott and Nathan have Messiah Complexes, so both think that its their task to save the baby. The only Summers male who doesn't have any messiahnic ambitions is poor Alex, who is lightyears away.

That scene in CnD #10 is probably one of the best scenes between the two that I've ever seen.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I figure he doesn't trust his father (or Emma) very much, since Scott led an invasion on his utopian society in what was probably less than a year ago. The cold vibes are probably still there.

That's kinda my problem. He doesn't trust Scott to do what exactly?

Protect the baby? Cause the X-Men either will or die trying. And they did in at least one timeline. 50/50 odds once the baddies started cheating.

Raising it to not become an antichrist? Kinda different. But to just fly solo and take off with the baby still a very much flawed plan.

[quote=claimtosubclaim]Obviously, both Scott and Nathan have Messiah Complexes, so both think that it's their task to save the baby. [QUOTE]

Kinda why I made that daddy issues crack some pages back.

The baby surviving makes whoever leads the x-men the actual Messiah. So, what, Cable's trying to steal his old man's thunder or proofreading his flawed body of work?

[Omega Alpha]

I figure he doesn't trust his father (or Emma) very much, since Scott led an invasion on his utopian society in what was probably less than a year ago. .

And the fact that he had to invade Cable's society to try to stop his messianic and often morally ambigous tendencies explains Scott's lack of trust in him either. And let's face, if the Silver Surfer, the noblest of all heroes, who also happens to be in very deep space, had to come to Earth to give him a beatdown, maybe Cable wasn't completely right either.

[Victorious]

Because she CAN, my friend. Because she can.

hahahaha LOL, literally!


i have a question (potencial pool) for all those who doesn't read NXM, who would you like to see on an adult team (apart from Armor & X-23) post MC ?!
and who would you like to see him/her to interact with?

[Nyssane]

Oh, you had to ask. Now I couldn't resist.

http://www.visualmatter.net/sinistersdeathpie.jpg

Turns out it was his kryptonite.....:D

LMAO, I love it!

[Ann Nichols]

Mystique's power grid: http://www.marvel.com/universe/Mystique

Sinister's power grid: http://www.marvel.com/universe/Mister_Sinister

He's not that much stronger, physically, than she is.

Love the pie panel, BTW.

[Nyssane]

You can't possibly go by the power grids on Marvel.com, they're full of crap.

[Brent1974]

You can't possibly go by the power grids on Marvel.com, they're full of crap.

Why cant we? Marvel's offical power rating is the Blue, the Red is fan rating.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Mystique's power grid: http://www.marvel.com/universe/Mystique

Sinister's power grid: http://www.marvel.com/universe/Mister_Sinister

He's not that much stronger, physically, than she is.

According to the fans...

Nyss is right about how ridiculous it is for Blue to have a mere TWO in Strength. Wuh-what...?

Still, no power grid would *EVER* give Blue the advantage. EVER. :eek:

[Shaid O Gray]

Mystique's power grid: http://www.marvel.com/universe/Mystique

Sinister's power grid: http://www.marvel.com/universe/Mister_Sinister

He's not that much stronger, physically, than she is.

DarthcyclopsRLZ
According to the fans...
.

Yeah, that's just the fan votes. The official tally has her at a 2 and him at a 5. And I gotta say, I wonder if those guys at marvel ever actually read the stories with him in it. Even just physical confrontations, Essex's wiped the floor with a lot of characters.

Nyss is right about how ridiculous it is for Blue to have a mere TWO in Strength. Wuh-what...?

Why? Mystique is just a shapeshifter who can't mimic powers. When was she ever shown to be super strong? There's no reason why her strenght level should be above the old 'well-trained-human' level.

[Nyssane]

Why cant we? Marvel's offical power rating is the Blue, the Red is fan rating.

Look at Anaconda's:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Anaconda

For starters, Anaconda would be at 2 intelligence, not 3. She also would not be at 4 speed or 3 energy projection (mainly because... she does not project energy). Not to mention the whole Marvel database is screwed up. I made so many articles for them yet they all say other people made them, AKA STEALING MY WRITING AND CLAIMING IT THEIR OWN.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Yeah, that's just the fan votes. The official tally has her at a 2 and him at a 5. And I gotta say, I wonder if those guys at marvel ever actually read the stories with him in it. Even just physical confrontations, Essex's wiped the floor with a lot of characters.

They throw darts. Seriously.


Why? Mystique is just a shapeshifter who can't mimic powers. When was she ever shown to be super strong? There's no reason why her strenght level should be above the old 'well-trained-human' level.

DUnno, I just seem to remember her pulling stats the average well-trained human couldn't. In the 3 range, I guess. It's just that the diff between 2-3 seems like more of a big deal than 5-6 (Essex). Oh well.

[frog]

What really matters is that 5 good writers found it appropriate for Mystique to get the drop on Sinister.

That's good enough for me!

[podmark]

Look at Anaconda's:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Anaconda

For starters, Anaconda would be at 2 intelligence, not 3. She also would not be at 4 speed or 3 energy projection (mainly because... she does not project energy). Not to mention the whole Marvel database is screwed up. I made so many articles for them yet they all say other people made them, AKA STEALING MY WRITING AND CLAIMING IT THEIR OWN.

Yeah it is screwed, I tried to fix an error in Prodigy's bio half a year ago and it's still hasn't been updated, yet my name is there as a contributer.

[Tazirai]

"Major X-Villian"? Maybe in the movies but she has NEVER meant anything to the real X-verse. A nobody that was getting punked out by Rogue at turn and treated like utter garbage by Dark Beast in Onslaught. But now she can magically outprep the best plotter in the X-Universe behind Lord Magneto himself? Yeah right. Mystique is a loser. The sooner Exodus and the others disover her disception and punk her out, the better.

I mean..the big three in the X-verse was always Magneto, Apocalypse, and Sinister. It even seemed like Sinister passed Apocalypse since he always found ways to outprep him and get his way in the end. The notion of Raven Darkholme getting the drop on him is akin to Dr. Octopus getting the drop on Dr. Doom. It's a complete JOKE.

not real the Black Panther held the Silver Surfer, even though the surfer was vastly more powerful physically. In Martial Arts Leverage can make all the difference. In Basic Hand to hand combat if you tie someone up where they cant get power to their muscles... it's a wrap.

[Nyssane]

Why the HELL didn't Unuscione have her exo-skeleton on her during the battle? Being punched out by Hepzibah, I mean really?

Scrambler, Tempo, and Riptide had the best scenes.

[ClanAskani]

I'm guessing Cable didn't know about the baby until Gambit and Sunfire attacked him and mentioned the "One minute before dawn". After surviving the explosion he probably checked his data and realized what was about to happen.

It's possible, since if the baby was so important to the Askani, Scott would know about it as well, since he was the one who raised Nathan.

[Ragnorok64]

not real the Black Panther held the Silver Surfer, even though the surfer was vastly more powerful physically. In Martial Arts Leverage can make all the difference. In Basic Hand to hand combat if you tie someone up where they cant get power to their muscles... it's a wrap.

Please tell me you aren't bringing up that Black Panther holding Silver Surfer thing as any kind of serious evidence.

[Slung]

Is no one really upset that Lady Mastermind died? I LOVED her. So sad. And is anyone going to rescue Karima's mind???

[Trey]

So how do the Purifiers fit in to the final battle? They arn't at Muir Island.

[Ragnorok64]

Is no one really upset that Lady Mastermind died? I LOVED her. So sad. And is anyone going to rescue Karima's mind???

Depends, if she happens to get too close to Wolverine's Invisible Field of Awesome, like Lady Mastermind apparently did, she may not make it. Though judging by the art she's seems to be carrying duel shield generators in her posterior now (note that I'm complaining ;) )so she may be safe.

[worstblogever]

Oh, you had to ask. Now I couldn't resist.

http://www.visualmatter.net/sinistersdeathpie.jpg

Turns out it was his kryptonite.....:D

You are tragically hip. :D

[claimtosubclaim]

Raising it to not become an antichrist? Kinda different. But to just fly solo and take off with the baby still a very much flawed plan.

The baby surviving makes whoever leads the x-men the actual Messiah. So, what, Cable's trying to steal his old man's thunder or proofreading his flawed body of work?

Like I said, it's just meant to parallel Cable's own past (Lady Askani=Cable; Apocalypse=The Purifiers; Sinister=... well, Sinister). It's not Nathan's logic in the end, it's the group of writers and editors that decided what he would do and why he would do it. And it's not *so* illogical that Cable would see this as history repeating itself and that it's his role to do what Lady Askani did for him. Not any more illogical than some random chick who Scott doesn't know who says she's from the future and can save his baby if she lets him take it to the future.

[CmX]

Is no one really upset that Lady Mastermind died? I LOVED her. So sad. And is anyone going to rescue Karima's mind???

I am! I really hope she isn't dead not after all Carey has done to make her interesting anyway.

[magik420]

i have only been reading carey's x-men for a couple of weeks, and lady mastermind and karima were my 2 fave characters.. well, other than rogue.... the x-men needed some new female characters, and i think they're awesome.... i would like to read a character bio on karima..... i hope she gets de-maliced and i hope that lady mastermind isn't dead and it was just one of her illusions.... does anyone have any spoilers for next week's issues? if you pm me i'd appreciate it :):p

[scouse mouse]

Is no one really upset that Lady Mastermind died? I LOVED her. So sad. And is anyone going to rescue Karima's mind???

IAM!!!!!! Actually there have been quite a few posts from people angered/upset by Lady Masterminds death. Iam going to ask Mike Carey on his site if she really is gone. I believe that Karima is going to be a regular support character in Legacy. She is in the preview art along side the Acolytes, so Mike will be the one to eventually de-Malice her.

[Porcelain]

So he didn't know about the baby and yet was RIGHT THERE to pick him up? Come on. If he'd been fighting blind like the X-Men, sure, I'd buy it.

And about raising it right, the whole problem is that by removing the child, the current timeline could change rather dramatically. Meaning Cable could be just chilling in the future while the folks in the present badly need that Messiah kid. I'm just saying he removed the kid from a slightly compromised timeline and instead chose 50/50 odds. Sure, his heart's in the right place, but it's not exactly a smart tactical move. :eek:
Maybe that's what was always supposed to happen, that the baby disapears for x years?

Kinda beginning to wonder if Cable isn't just from further ahead than Bishop. To Bishop baby is bad because of the consequences of the 6 min war (). However we know it gets better for mutants when Bishop is older, by the time Cable rolls around everything could be hunky & dorey rather than outright extinction (or he just knows another way to make events happen).

Even if he doesn't have great intel, he's jumped around enough to know the whole universe doesn't end because the writers don't want it to. We don't even know how time works in the MU because writers keep changing it. At one point we had alternate time lines allowing all possible futures to still happen (which makes time travel to 'save' something redundant because somewhere it's still going to happen) & people able to move between - do we still?

There does seem to be some kind of causality/destiny happening though (when it suits the writers), psychics acurately able to predict the future but not actually changing it i.e. Destiny with Mystique, Rogue & Gambit, Blindfold re: people in the infirmary (actually didn't she say Megan would join them? She did, just not in the needed to get broken bones fixed way :D ). Which is why I like "the baby was always meant to disappear for a bit" logic. Whatever is meant to happen, happens, it's not all pre-ordained because we don't know how it's going to occur but stuff does - the universe/time automatically adjusts to ensure it (like a self healing organism).

Why does Logan always get pwned these days??
In isolation, this time makes sense, crap if you like the character but it does. Scalphunter is an excellant shot - that's what he does and Logan cannot out run a speeding bullet, nor is he going to know to duck from a sniper hundreds of yards away. If the bullet missed him it would be pure luck. What is irritating is that it's always Logan that gets the heavy damage from the writers because he has the healing factor so he can be fixed - which means if bad guys need to seem extra bad the one who receives the damage is most likely to be him.

Re: Baby Goo...if her power is rebooting others, maybe when she's older she can do it remotely and does the whole ex-mutant population and everything goes nuts like M-day?? A mass repowering with no fore-warning would severely screw things up. If that's true she seems to be an antidote spat out by the universe (a la Y the Last Man) to heal Wanda's bad.

[Shaid O Gray]

You are tragically hip. :D

THAT should've been my handle! Damn!!

[protogarrett]

i have only been reading carey's x-men for a couple of weeks, and lady mastermind and karima were my 2 fave characters.. well, other than rogue.... the x-men needed some new female characters, and i think they're awesome.... i would like to read a character bio on karima..... i hope she gets de-maliced and i hope that lady mastermind isn't dead and it was just one of her illusions.... does anyone have any spoilers for next week's issues? if you pm me i'd appreciate it :):p

I am so with you on this. I love Karima.

[protogarrett]

Why the HELL didn't Unuscione have her exo-skeleton on her during the battle? Being punched out by Hepzibah, I mean really?

Scrambler, Tempo, and Riptide had the best scenes.

Suckerpunch. Just because a character is ultra powerful doesn't mean they can't make a mistake or be killed in some mundane fashion. Sure it might not be exactly as we want it to be, but hey, it's life. Sometimes things just go out with a wimper, maybe see it as a credit to Hepzibah's speed to nail her before her shield was up.

[protogarrett]

Oh, you had to ask. Now I couldn't resist.

http://www.visualmatter.net/sinistersdeathpie.jpg

Turns out it was his kryptonite.....:D

Oh lord, this is a thread of it's own. All photoshopped scans of Sinister's face being shoved into random stuff. Loves it.

[worstblogever]

Suckerpunch. Just because a character is ultra powerful doesn't mean they can't make a mistake or be killed in some mundane fashion. Sure it might not be exactly as we want it to be, but hey, it's life. Sometimes things just go out with a wimper, maybe see it as a credit to Hepzibah's speed to nail her before her shield was up.

I'll keep that in mind next time Iceman goes into a fight as flesh, or Wolverine decides to sheath his claws. Because in effect... that's what Unuscione would have to do to get beat up by Hepzibah. Hold back to the point of powering down.

[Nyssane]

Suckerpunch. Just because a character is ultra powerful doesn't mean they can't make a mistake or be killed in some mundane fashion. Sure it might not be exactly as we want it to be, but hey, it's life. Sometimes things just go out with a wimper, maybe see it as a credit to Hepzibah's speed to nail her before her shield was up.

She hasn't used her shield at all, though. Even when she was punching Colossus a few issues back. It's wonky.

[jarrod]

Whu?
- Does Kurt suddenly have a healing factor?
No, but he does heal faster than normal humans tend to. Happened in Excalibur during Davis' solo run too, after Brian broke his leg.

[Teh m0nk3y]

It's the mutant resilience thing. They are made of more hardy stuff than the mere human stock.

[Toadman005]

No, but he does heal faster than normal humans tend to. Happened in Excalibur during Davis' solo run too, after Brian broke his leg.

Yeah but who DOESN'T have "faster than human" healing these days? It's a BS cop out way to have a character get badly injured, for dramatic effect, and then be fine an issue later. Garbage.

(then again, Wolverine can regrow an organ in 10 seconds...more BS)

[herrjonp]

Re: Baby Goo...if her power is rebooting others, maybe when she's older she can do it remotely and does the whole ex-mutant population and everything goes nuts like M-day?? A mass repowering with no fore-warning would severely screw things up. If that's true she seems to be an antidote spat out by the universe (a la Y the Last Man) to heal Wanda's bad.

That's a cool thought. Maybe baby Goo when she gets older hooks up to Cerebra and decides to repower the whole ex-Mutant population. When she does this, all the ex-Mutants unexpectedly re-manifest their powers possibly hurting/killing a ton of people from the accidental power release. It's like puberty all over again. When they all accidentally kill a bunch of people (approx 1 million), there's a backlash and everyone gets thrown into camps. That seems like a cool explanation for the 6 minute war.

[jarrod]

Yeah but who DOESN'T have "faster than human" healing these days?
Josh evidently. ;)

[DeadXMan]

peepers as well
and don't forget Caliban

[broodjeork]

oh oh!!!! and hellion of course

and about the kurt thing, i dont think he's completly better, more like halfway.
still wearing the bandages and already getting thrown in a fight

[icareenuffforII]

I am! I really hope she isn't dead not after all Carey has done to make her interesting anyway.

Why does marvel always kill the most interesting characters (blink, Psylocke, Lady M, MoreICantRemember) and keep the boring status quo crap characters that they never do anything with?

[Brian M.]

What makes Lady M interesting? She's a bitch...oh how original. X-Men saved her, she betrayed them. She deserved what she got. Good riddance.

[rwsmith]

Perhaps because your definition of "interesting" is more akin to other people's defintions of "pathetic" and "lame"? I'm just guessing here. ;)

[Erik Lehnsherr]

not real the Black Panther held the Silver Surfer, even though the surfer was vastly more powerful physically. In Martial Arts Leverage can make all the difference. In Basic Hand to hand combat if you tie someone up where they cant get power to their muscles... it's a wrap.

And I and everyone else remembers the outrage over that incident..it got to the point that McDuffie finally put out a statement on the whole thing. And all of that leverage psuedo? How in the HELL does that explain why NATHANIEL ESSEX magically can be moved by Mystique?


Suckerpunch. Just because a character is ultra powerful doesn't mean they can't make a mistake or be killed in some mundane fashion. Sure it might not be exactly as we want it to be, but hey, it's life. Sometimes things just go out with a wimper, maybe see it as a credit to Hepzibah's speed to nail her before her shield was up.

There's too many shaky incidents like this happening. Unsicone can mop the floor with the X-Men that were featured in the book yet a physical character can get close to her? Maybe the writers have gotten a little lazy on the background of some of their powers.

[icareenuffforII]

I don't get what happened with the baby and Rogue. Is it like Leech/Pulse?:confused:

The baby is Jean...the child is Phoenix...it nuzzles away what plotlines don't work with it's cuteness and soft baby skin

[Red Lotus]

And I and everyone else remembers the outrage over that incident..it got to the point that McDuffie finally put out a statement on the whole thing. And all of that leverage psuedo? How in the HELL does that explain why NATHANIEL ESSEX magically can be moved by Mystique?



There's too many shaky incidents like this happening. Unsicone can mop the floor with the X-Men that were featured in the book yet a physical character can get close to her? Maybe the writers have gotten a little lazy on the background of some of their powers.

Sinister is the Blob now. I didn't know he couldn't be moved. Well not really moved more like his head lowered down about 3 feet.

[icareenuffforII]

What makes Lady M interesting? She's a bitch...oh how original. X-Men saved her, she betrayed them. She deserved what she got. Good riddance.

Hi! :D

A great big "welcome to the forum" to you too.


Lady M wasn't a "good guy" by any means, but she had more personality and depth in her one short year on the Xmen then characters that have been there for 20 years.

It isn't so much that she died....but it feels a lot like when Morrison's run was over Marvel started "erasing" every trace of it...I'm suspecting they're going to start doing the same thing with Carey's storylines and not so long from now it'll be back to square one with the same line ups we've seen again and again and again.

[FeminineMystique]

So who wants to bet that Sinister will end up possessing Remy? Think about it, Sinister is the one who helped him return to normal yes? Which wsuggests he must have performed some kind of medical/genetic tampering. And Sinister and Gambit's link throughout the years...wouldn't that be just perfect? They even look alike, especially with Sinister's current look (The long hair look he's been rocking throughout this arc)
But no way is this guy dead. If he can survive being turned into a charred skeleton, he can survive Rogue. Though I admit, the writers have restored my faith in this arc. I was initially thinking how stupid it was that Mystique (Who is a clever woman, but in the end just a shape shifter with a talent with weapons) managed to take down a guy who fought the entire X Men to a stand still. Rogue's enhanced powers are a plausible way for her to take him down. (But no way is he dead. This is a guy whose survived every damn thing thrown at him over the years. Plus he's one of the coolest villains Marvel has and one of the hig 3 X villains, along with Magneto and Apocalypse)
Inetrstingly enough, a friend of mine who works at the comics store has a theory on the baby. Red hair and green eyes? Can we spell J-E-A-N G-R-E-Y boys and girls?

Personally, I hope not. I'm in the "Let her DIE!" camp when it comes to this character. She's died and been broughyt back so many times, doing it again would just add to the sad joke. Although the baby is my second guess for "Sinister's next body". (It's destined to kill millions, yes? Sounds like something our sick little genetecist would do)

[icareenuffforII]

So who wants to bet that Sinister will end up possessing Remy? Think about it, Sinister is the one who helped him return to normal yes? Which wsuggests he must have performed some kind of medical/genetic tampering. And Sinister and Gambit's link throughout the years...wouldn't that be just perfect? They even look alike, especially with Sinister's current look (The long hair look he's been rocking throughout this arc)
But no way is this guy dead. If he can survive being turned into a charred skeleton, he can survive Rogue. Though I admit, the writers have restored my faith in this arc. I was initially thinking how stupid it was that Mystique (Who is a clever woman, but in the end just a shape shifter with a talent with weapons) managed to take down a guy who fought the entire X Men to a stand still. Rogue's enhanced powers are a plausible way for her to take him down. (But no way is he dead. This is a guy whose survived every damn thing thrown at him over the years. Plus he's one of the coolest villains Marvel has and one of the hig 3 X villains, along with Magneto and Apocalypse)
Inetrstingly enough, a friend of mine who works at the comics store has a theory on the baby. Red hair and green eyes? Can we spell J-E-A-N G-R-E-Y boys and girls?

Personally, I hope not. I'm in the "Let her DIE!" camp when it comes to this character. She's died and been broughyt back so many times, doing it again would just add to the sad joke. Although the baby is my second guess for "Sinister's next body". (It's destined to kill millions, yes? Sounds like something our sick little genetecist would do)


If it's destined to kill millions...wouldn't it be killing the millions inside of Rogue's mind? Maybe the baby was leeching the minds out of Rogue, Remy stopped Raven and the baby was only able to take Sinister's mind out and that's where your theory comes in ;)

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Sinister is the Blob now. I didn't know he couldn't be moved. Well not really moved more like his head lowered down about 3 feet.

I don't know about Blob but when a guy can stop Sabretooth in mid air with a choke without flinching or budging yet get moved by Darkholme? It's severe jobbing at it's worst.

[Brian M.]

So who wants to bet that Sinister will end up possessing Remy? Think about it, Sinister is the one who helped him return to normal yes? Which wsuggests he must have performed some kind of medical/genetic tampering. And Sinister and Gambit's link throughout the years...wouldn't that be just perfect? They even look alike, especially with Sinister's current look (The long hair look he's been rocking throughout this arc)
But no way is this guy dead. If he can survive being turned into a charred skeleton, he can survive Rogue. Though I admit, the writers have restored my faith in this arc. I was initially thinking how stupid it was that Mystique (Who is a clever woman, but in the end just a shape shifter with a talent with weapons) managed to take down a guy who fought the entire X Men to a stand still. Rogue's enhanced powers are a plausible way for her to take him down. (But no way is he dead. This is a guy whose survived every damn thing thrown at him over the years. Plus he's one of the coolest villains Marvel has and one of the hig 3 X villains, along with Magneto and Apocalypse)
Inetrstingly enough, a friend of mine who works at the comics store has a theory on the baby. Red hair and green eyes? Can we spell J-E-A-N G-R-E-Y boys and girls?

Personally, I hope not. I'm in the "Let her DIE!" camp when it comes to this character. She's died and been broughyt back so many times, doing it again would just add to the sad joke. Although the baby is my second guess for "Sinister's next body". (It's destined to kill millions, yes? Sounds like something our sick little genetecist would do)

If the baby was Jean Grey would we not have seen some kind of hint that she is? Is Jean the only freaking character with red hair and green eyes? Why can't the god damn baby just be a freaking baby? Is it that hard to imagine?

[jester1436]

I don't know about Blob but when a guy can stop Sabretooth in mid air with a choke without flinching or budging yet get moved by Darkholme? It's severe jobbing at it's worst.

How exactly is an unexpected attack from behind comparable to a full on frontal attack? Just because he can do something when he sees it coming doesn't mean he can when there's someone behind him.

I mean, it doesn't take a lot of work, even if Sinister is bigger and stronger, if Mystique can move his head just a little towards Rogue's exposed flesh, he's dead. It doesn't require Herculean strength, it just takes the right timing.

[Canemacar]

I mean, it doesn't take a lot of work, even if Sinister is bigger and stronger, if Mystique can move his head just a little towards Rogue's exposed flesh, he's dead. It doesn't require Herculean strength, it just takes the right timing.

She didn't just surprise him while off-guard though. She grabbed him in a headlock and slowly forced his face into Rogue's.

[Pach!]

She didn't just surprise him while off-guard though. She grabbed him in a headlock and slowly forced his face into Rogue's.

I don't think it was slowly. I thought it was supposed to be fast.

That would be a good question for X-position though, I'll ask that.

[Brian M.]

I don't think it was slowly. I thought it was supposed to be fast.

That would be a good question for X-position though, I'll ask that.

Make sure to ask who the baby is too, we're almost done w/ the crossover and still no proof she is Jean Grey. Or Rachel Grey. Or Girl X-Man.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

How exactly is an unexpected attack from behind comparable to a full on frontal attack? Just because he can do something when he sees it coming doesn't mean he can when there's someone behind him.

I mean, it doesn't take a lot of work, even if Sinister is bigger and stronger, if Mystique can move his head just a little towards Rogue's exposed flesh, he's dead. It doesn't require Herculean strength, it just takes the right timing.

He's a top notch telepath..she has no real superstrength and if she does, that's a damn retcon because she's been weak and ineffective her whole run. He has teleporting technology, etc. Just too many things had to be ignored for her to look that strong. A chokehold? HAHAHAHAHAHA! It's HORRIBLE. Laughing my ass off just thinking about that picture.

[jester1436]

Make sure to ask who the baby is too, we're almost done w/ the crossover and still no proof she is Jean Grey. Or Rachel Grey. Or Girl X-Man.

That's because she's really a time displaced version of Magneto's original dead daughter.

DUN DUN DUN!!!!!!

[jester1436]

He's a top notch telepath..she has no real superstrength and if she does, that's a damn retcon because she's been weak and ineffective her whole run. He has teleporting technology, etc. Just too many things had to be ignored for her to look that strong. A chokehold? HAHAHAHAHAHA! It's HORRIBLE. Laughing my ass off just thinking about that picture.

Who the hell cares if he's a top notch telepath, she's always had strong psi-defenses combined with some kind of psi-blocker device. She

She doesn't NEED super strength. His death took place within a few moments, it's not some epic thing, boo-frigging-hoo. Just because someone has an amazing arsenal powers doesn't mean that can't be shocked and thrown off by some blue skinned chick pushing them into a something that causes instant death. I mean really, throw a bigger hissy fit when it's not THAT big of a stretch.

[Red Lotus]

I don't know about Blob but when a guy can stop Sabretooth in mid air with a choke without flinching or budging yet get moved by Darkholme? It's severe jobbing at it's worst.

She is a skilled fighter and catching him off guard helps. Yeah she is weaker then him, but all she had to do was move him 3 feet and not his hold body just his head..

She didn't just surprise him while off-guard though. She grabbed him in a headlock and slowly forced his face into Rogue's.

Chance are it took 3 seconds or less. It just looked like it took longer. There was a issue of Spider-man where he fought Cap and Spider-man said that he hit me 3 times in ten second, but the way it was drawn you wouldn't have thought it was ten seconds.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

She is a skilled fighter and catching him off guard helps. Yeah she is weaker then him, but all she had to do was move him 3 feet and not his hold body just his head..



Chance are it took 3 seconds or less. It just looked like it took longer. There was a issue of Spider-man where he fought Cap and Spider-man said that he hit me 3 times in ten second, but the way it was drawn you wouldn't have thought it was ten seconds.

Who has Mystique beat up of note? Anything from the 2000s? Because I don't remember it.

And aresnal of powers aren't the point. Mystique getting one over on Sinister is pretty much ridiculous considering he can do what she does and better.

[Pach!]

Who has Mystique beat up of note? Anything from the 2000s? Because I don't remember it.

And aresnal of powers aren't the point. Mystique getting one over on Sinister is pretty much ridiculous considering he can do what she does and better.

He didn't see it coming.Unless he's suddenly a precog, that's possible.

[Brent1974]

Who has Mystique beat up of note? Anything from the 2000s? Because I don't remember it.

And aresnal of powers aren't the point. Mystique getting one over on Sinister is pretty much ridiculous considering he can do what she does and better.

You seem to use alot of pro wrestling words like 'jobbed' etc.

Ok so think of it this way. both wrestling and comics are scripted. Rey Mysterio comes from behind lets say batista, and slams his head into a turnbuckle, we all know any wrestler can do that to any other no matter the size. So, honestly why can't Mystique be able to do this to Sinister. Since she did take him by surprse?? You might not like it, or think it's possible. But it happened.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Even if he didn't, even if his psi power went defunct somehow for that time period, how can she PHYSICALLY move him in one direction?

You seem to use alot of pro wrestling words like 'jobbed' etc.

Ok so think of it this way. both wrestling and comics are scripted. Rey Mysterio comes from behind lets say batista, and slams his head into a turnbuckle, we all know any wrestler can do that to any other no matter the size. So, honestly why can't Mystique be able to do this to Sinister. Since she did take him by surprse?? You might not like it, or think it's possible. But it happened.

Jobber is used in comic fight discussions all the time. Just visit the Rumbles board and ask about Spider-Man vs Firelord...

And yes it happened but it looks HORRIBLE. Just like BP somehow putting armholds on Norrin Radd or Wolverine living past X-Men #25...nonsense is nonsense and this fits in that catagory. This is MYSTIQUE were talking about...not Monet or prime Rogue who could potentially physically muscle Sinister in some form in a believable matter.

[Brent1974]

Even if he didn't, even if his psi power went defunct somehow for that time period, how can she PHYSICALLY move him in one direction?

Simple she caught him off balance and distracted.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Simple she caught him off balance and distracted.

That's acceptable for you though? Considering Sinister's past showings?

[Pach!]

Even if he didn't, even if his psi power went defunct somehow for that time period, how can she PHYSICALLY move him in one direction?


The psi power is irrelevant, it's been stated since before the crossover that Mystique has blocks protecting her mind. He can't read her.


And I can push a bigger guy if I catch him off guard. And he was caught off guard. And quickly (or presumably quickly) slammed into Rogue's skin who has an immediate death touch.

[Red Lotus]

Mystique getting one over on Sinister is pretty much ridiculous considering he can do what she does and better.

You can be the greatest player ever at the game you play, but if some one else has a playbook of what’s going to happen in that game then even the greatest players are at a disadvantages.

[Brent1974]

That's acceptable for you though? Considering Sinister's past showings?

Anyone can have one moment that they are not up to par. This was Sinisters, that is until he is re-cloned again.

[Will J.]

That's acceptable for you though? Considering Sinister's past showings?

No dog in this race, but unless he's the Juggernaut, he isn't immovable.

[Michael Sean]

If the baby was Jean Grey would we not have seen some kind of hint that she is? Is Jean the only freaking character with red hair and green eyes? Why can't the god damn baby just be a freaking baby? Is it that hard to imagine?

It would have been a great new way for her to return though. Why introduce another red haired green eyed omega level female when we've already had several with these characteristics (Jean, Maddie, Rachel)?

I think they do want us to speculate that it might be Jean though and thats why I think it most likely is not.

Theres been no direct hints but there have been some indirect references to Jean. Before Messiah Complex there was that flashback that Scott had about when Cable told them that he knew they raised him in the future. Cable was embracing Jean in the memory. There was Scott looking at the locket of Jean and the flashback to the original X-Factor giving Nathan to the Askani.

Of course some fans think it may be Jean because they want it to be. Its wishful thinking.

I want it to be Jean. I think its logical, she is suppose to return and would have been unaffected by Wanda's spell due to being in the White Hot Room.

I also like the idea of Cable raising Jean the way she raised him in the future.

But I doubt that it will be the case.

[Brent1974]

It would have been a great new way for her to return though. Why introduce another red haired green eyed omega level female when we've already had several with these characteristics (Jean, Maddie, Rachel)?

I think they do want us to speculate that it might be Jean though and thats why I think it most likely is not.

Theres been no direct hints but there have been some indirect references to Jean. Before Messiah Complex there was that flashback that Scott had about when Cable told them that he knew they raised him in the future. Cable was embracing Jean in the memory. There was Scott looking at the locket of Jean and the flashback to the original X-Factor giving Nathan to the Askani.

Of course some fans think it may be Jean because they want it to be. Its wishful thinking.

I want it to be Jean. I think its logical, she is suppose to return and would have been unaffected by Wanda's spell due to being in the White Hot Room.

I also like the idea of Cable raising Jean the way she raised him in the future.

But I doubt that it will be the case.

While that would be interesting it just isn't to be. Marvel has stated in interviews the baby is not someone reincarnated, a descendant of a famous bloodline etc.

I wish it was Jean, or 'insert dead woman' but it won't be :(

[Brian M.]

I disagree completely. It is a horrible horrible way to bring back Jean.

[Michael Sean]

Why?

She could have been re-aged later. The Phoenix regrew Rachel from a baby back to an adult once.

While that would be interesting it just isn't to be. Marvel has stated in interviews the baby is not someone reincarnated, a descendant of a famous bloodline etc.

I wish it was Jean, or 'insert dead woman' but it won't be :(

I know they've said that it doesn't have a famous bloodline and that was in response to a question asking if the parents were X-characters such as Madrox and Siryn or Monet.

Have they actually said it isn't someone reincarnated? I've just seen them hint that it might be or it might not be.

Of course if it was someone reincarnated they would have a new bloodline anyways.

[icareenuffforII]

Jean's been gone for too long she has a lot of fans and we all know Marvel can't avoid restarting things back to a status quo...There's just something missing in the Xmen without Jean.

The fact that the baby has Red hair and green eyes and Cable's bouncing around with it...just screams Jean Grey!

It's like seeing a black girl with white hair and blue eyes and saying "well we don't really know if it's storm"...come on Marvel isn't too big on copy/pasting looks onto different characters...it's what seperates them from DC (which has 10 of each character flapping about)

[Brian M.]

Why?

She could have been re-aged later. The Phoenix regrew Rachel from a baby back to an adult once.



I know they've said that it doesn't have a famous bloodline and that was in response to a question asking if the parents were X-characters such as Madrox and Siryn or Monet.

Have they actually said it isn't someone reincarnated? I've just seen them hint that it might be or it might not be.

Of course if it was someone reincarnated they would have a new bloodline anyways.


Becuase it is so overly complicated and unnecessary. Also it lessens the importance of the baby. It's not the first new mutant since M-Day, it's just Jean Grey. I want her back as badly as the next person but not like that. It's bad imo.

[worstblogever]

He's a top notch telepath..she has no real superstrength and if she does, that's a damn retcon because she's been weak and ineffective her whole run. He has teleporting technology, etc. Just too many things had to be ignored for her to look that strong. A chokehold? HAHAHAHAHAHA! It's HORRIBLE. Laughing my ass off just thinking about that picture.


And, for like the dozenth time... she is naturally resistant to psionics, plus she was using a psionic scrambling device. She's listed as not much physcially weaker than Sinister, she ambushed him and shoved him into Rogue, which killed him, and fast. Sinister didn't have time to physically brace himself against it before he was already face to face with Rogue.

If you need it explained again, I'll try to go slower so you can keep up. But really, do you need to keep repeating yourself?

[worstblogever]

peepers as well
and don't forget Caliban

PEEEEEEEEPPPPPPPERRRRRRSSSS!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[CyberHubbs]

Maybe Sinister was thinking, "How much could one kiss hurt? OHCRAPDEATHTOUCH! MOMMEEEEEEEE!"

[Slant]

Why?

She could have been re-aged later. The Phoenix regrew Rachel from a baby back to an adult once.


It would have completely ruined the story.

The whole point was that somehow, a baby had been born after M-day. If it had been Jean, it would have been some convoluted Phoenix crap. With an original baby, there's question as to HOW it happened, and if it could happen again. With Jean, there's nothing of the sort.

[Monty_Cristo]

maybe the baby is Spiral.

[CyberHubbs]

maybe the baby is Spiral.

Now we're talkin'!

If she sprouts an extra four arms and slices Bishop up, I'll give a girlish "GLEEEEEE!"

[Erik Lehnsherr]

And, for like the dozenth time... she is naturally resistant to psionics, plus she was using a psionic scrambling device. She's listed as not much physcially weaker than Sinister, she ambushed him and shoved him into Rogue, which killed him, and fast. Sinister didn't have time to physically brace himself against it before he was already face to face with Rogue.

If you need it explained again, I'll try to go slower so you can keep up. But really, do you need to keep repeating yourself?

Other than this storyline, when was she encountering top notch telepaths at all? She's been so ineffective over the years, it doesn't even have weight.

And I don't care about you're little whining about her being overpushed. The jobber was pushed against a guy that has a history of winning and punking out X-Men galore. She's a nobody. A dimwit. A character that has never meant anything before this storyline. Madelyne Pryor means more to history than her. Mystique is nothing but a piece of the Rogue story.

[Brian M.]

Other than this storyline, when was she encountering top notch telepaths at all? She's been so ineffective over the years, it doesn't even have weight.

And I don't care about you're little whining about her being overpushed. The jobber was pushed against a guy that has a history of winning and punking out X-Men galore. She's a nobody. A dimwit. A character that has never meant anything before this storyline. Madelyne Pryor means more to history than her. Mystique is nothing but a piece of the Rogue story.

Punked out Cyclops real well at the end of Inferno.

Your funny though, keep it up. I love reading your reactions to Mr. Sinister being killed by Mystique.

[RoguishGurl]

Other than this storyline, when was she encountering top notch telepaths at all? She's been so ineffective over the years, it doesn't even have weight.

How about when she stayed in the mansion as Foxx? She fooled Emma Frost.

[Monty_Cristo]

Other than this storyline, when was she encountering top notch telepaths at all? She's been so ineffective over the years, it doesn't even have weight.

http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=page3&issue=55782711071%2023

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Ah yes...her non selling little series that will go unnoted in history.

[Monty_Cristo]

Ah yes...her non selling little series that will go unnoted in history.

it's in continuity. heck, that blade she tries to kill Xavier with is the one Foxx uses; not too long after.

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/2000/1469/160761-mystique_400.jpg

[Brian M.]

Ah yes...her non selling little series that will go unnoted in history.

Didn't Magneto have a couple books...I can't remember.

[worstblogever]

Other than this storyline, when was she encountering top notch telepaths at all? She's been so ineffective over the years, it doesn't even have weight.

And I don't care about you're little whining about her being overpushed. The jobber was pushed against a guy that has a history of winning and punking out X-Men galore. She's a nobody. A dimwit. A character that has never meant anything before this storyline. Madelyne Pryor means more to history than her. Mystique is nothing but a piece of the Rogue story.

Dude... we told you last week, she's snuck up on Xavier many times to try and kill him. He'd be the most powerful telepath on the planet. So... there's that. See Mystique #23, Uncanny X-Men #142 and #178 for but three examples.

There's Emma not picking up on Foxx, or even being able to read Mystique's mind after she revealed herself to the X-Men during Bizarre Love Triangle.

That's four instances where it's referenced, right there. Sinister himself said at the lead-ins to Messiah CompleX in X-Men (vol. 2) #204 he couldn't read her thoughts.

You can keep saying it's impossible, but it's a comic book, and the writers went out of their way to show that it's at least plausible. You like Sinister more than Mystique, fine. Just bide your time until he's cloned and gets his revenge. Until then, have a Coke and a smile.

[Slung]

IAM!!!!!! Actually there have been quite a few posts from people angered/upset by Lady Masterminds death. Iam going to ask Mike Carey on his site if she really is gone. I believe that Karima is going to be a regular support character in Legacy. She is in the preview art along side the Acolytes, so Mike will be the one to eventually de-Malice her.

Yeah, I liked Karima too. I hope Lady Mastermind somehow survives this ordeal. She's like Emma, only better.


Personally, I hope not. I'm in the "Let her DIE!" camp when it comes to this character. She's died and been broughyt back so many times, doing it again would just add to the sad joke.
I'm so sick of the "she's died and been brought back so many times" line that Morrison made up. It wasn't a joke until we were told by Marvel that it was. Before Morrison killed her, she had died ONCE (Dark Phoenix) and come back ONCE (coccoon). Now she has died TWICE and come back TWICE (although currently she is not on this planet). Emma Frost has died twice (DPS and Fitzroy/sentinels). Cable has died twice. Magneto has died five or six times. Xavier has died a few times. Cyclops has died. Wolverine has died several times. No one is bellyaching about all the millions of times they've died and been brought back. Come on.

[creaky]

In isolation, this time makes sense, crap if you like the character but it does. Scalphunter is an excellant shot - that's what he does and Logan cannot out run a speeding bullet, nor is he going to know to duck from a sniper hundreds of yards away. If the bullet missed him it would be pure luck. What is irritating is that it's always Logan that gets the heavy damage from the writers because he has the healing factor so he can be fixed - which means if bad guys need to seem extra bad the one who receives the damage is most likely to be him.

Yes, as you said, it's not this time specifically that was illogical, but how often he gets punked overall. I'm not Logan's biggest fan, but I do like him and I think taking that "best there is at what he does" angle away from him equals taking away his edge. These days, it's like the only reason he's dangerous is because he has a healing factor, not because he's got a hundred-ish years of experience and training behind him. I could see how having a healing factor could be making him sloppy - in Blade of the Immortal, that was an actual element, that Manji (the immortal guy) lost his edge as a fighter because he no longer had to fight for his life. But I can't recall if that was ever brought up as a factor in Logan's case. Was it?

No, but he does heal faster than normal humans tend to. Happened in Excalibur during Davis' solo run too, after Brian broke his leg.

I do know that, but healing from a broken leg in four weeks vs being up and about two days after being hit by a 9mm fluted hollowpoint bullet...I dunno.
It reminds me of that Claremont arc where he got shot in the back with a crossbow bolt and then kept fighting and teleporting for another few issues or so with Cecelia Reyes tagging along and nagging at him about how he was killing himself and blah blah blah. "Yeah right", I felt. No amounts of grunts and groans from Kurt's part could make me believe he was dying while kicking people in the face. But then, that wasn't the only part of that story that didn't make sense.

[Hi-Fi]

Emma Frost also died at Murder at the Mansion.

[Slung]

Emma Frost also died at Murder at the Mansion.

Yeah, but I was only counting the dead and stay dead stories. Not, the cliffhanger deaths (then everyone's body count just shoots through the roof).

[Michael Sean]

It would have completely ruined the story.

The whole point was that somehow, a baby had been born after M-day. If it had been Jean, it would have been some convoluted Phoenix crap. With an original baby, there's question as to HOW it happened, and if it could happen again. With Jean, there's nothing of the sort.

I totally see this point.

But it doesn't seem like they are going in this direction anyways. So far it doesn't seem like they are going to be studying how it happened so they can help make new mutant births or that the baby is going to grow up and have more mutant babies and re-populate the mutant species that way....

It seems like its about a powerful mutant baby that is either going to grow up and save mutant kind somehow or doom mutant kind (by killing 1 million humans) depending on how its going to be raised.

And it seems she is going to be jumping through the time stream with Cable anyways. The baby's not even going to be around for who knows how long after Cable's book starts.

[Slant]

The baby's a mystery, as far as its powers go, especially considering what happened the last issue. What the baby does in the future is all a bit of a mystery as well, and is a driving force in the Cable/Bishop plot.

Making it a known character completely ruins that, among other things.

[Orin GA]

Wait wait wait.... If pixie can teleport anyone anywhere then why the hell didnt cyclops just ask her to teleport em to the baby,

[Brian M.]

Wait wait wait.... If pixie can teleport anyone anywhere then why the hell didnt cyclops just ask her to teleport em to the baby,

Becuase they didn't know where the baby was and also b/c Pixie was in New York and Cyclops and the gang where in Texas.

[FroFroYo]

Guesses:

Because Cyclops, deep deeeep down, hates Pixie.

Because she needs to know what someone looks like if its to a specific place.

Because he seriously didn't want the New X-Men to get involved.

Or because it was too risky.

Or some other reason entirely. xD

[Orin GA]

Becuase they didn't know where the baby was and also b/c Pixie was in New York and Cyclops and the gang where in Texas.

Did she know where Laura was?

[Brian M.]

Did she know where Laura was?

Never got to ask her.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Didn't Magneto have a couple books...I can't remember.

Magneto was used to launch the second series of X-Men to record breaking numbers that hasn't been touched by anything in Marvel since. He has monumental statues....has been centered in all of the X-movies, animated series to the point where they have episodes revolve solely about him(something you can't get for no other villain in comic fiction except for Joker during the Batman show).

Mystique? How she got a limited? I have no idea on earth. I guess that old saying is right...they will try to sell anything X-related.

Dude... we told you last week, she's snuck up on Xavier many times to try and kill him. He'd be the most powerful telepath on the planet. So... there's that. See Mystique #23, Uncanny X-Men #142 and #178 for but three examples.

There's Emma not picking up on Foxx, or even being able to read Mystique's mind after she revealed herself to the X-Men during Bizarre Love Triangle.

That's four instances where it's referenced, right there. Sinister himself said at the lead-ins to Messiah CompleX in X-Men (vol. 2) #204 he couldn't read her thoughts.

You can keep saying it's impossible, but it's a comic book, and the writers went out of their way to show that it's at least plausible. You like Sinister more than Mystique, fine. Just bide your time until he's cloned and gets his revenge. Until then, have a Coke and a smile.

Mystique sneaking on Charles Xavier and beating him? That happened? How, when, where, and who was the idiot that wrote it?? I mean you're bringing up books from over 20 years ago...how is this jobber doing this NOW? Emma? Who cares about Emma. She's weak and not even Jean Grey level. She's not a psi of the first order. She's been pushed in recent years since the Morrison era but she was never a team wrecker or anything of the sort.

[herrjonp]

Did she know where Laura was?

Yeah, when Pixie is filling Kurt in (ad naseum), she tells him that they (X-Force) are going to someplace called Muir Island.

[frog]

:eek: Wow!

I guess Brubaker, C & C, Carey and PAD must all be really stupid and terrible hack writers to think that helpless little Mystique could possible beat the wonderfully omnipotent Sinister! :rolleyes:







It's rare that I resort to an eyeroll, but if ever a post called for one, this is it.

[Shyft]

Mystique sneaking on Charles Xavier and beating him? That happened? How, when, where, and who was the idiot that wrote it?? I mean you're bringing up books from over 20 years ago...how is this jobber doing this NOW? Emma? Who cares about Emma. She's weak and not even Jean Grey level. She's not a psi of the first order. She's been pushed in recent years since the Morrison era but she was never a team wrecker or anything of the sort.

So basically, despite the books showing Mystique can do those things, and that Emma IS a pretty powerful psi, what YOU do, is pick and choose what issues/runs/writers YOU consider to be canon for their powers. Interesting.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

So basically, despite the books showing Mystique can do those things, and that Emma IS a pretty powerful psi, what YOU do, is pick and choose what issues/runs/writes YOU consider to be canon for their powers. Interesting.

As much as I agree with Erik_Lensherr on this one (won't lose sleep over it, but still...), Erik kinda has an history of sticking to DreamBoat CC related-material.

[Brian M.]

Also the fact that X-Men 2nd series was successful b/c of Magneto. That one I find hilarious.

[jester1436]

Magneto was used to launch the second series of X-Men to record breaking numbers that hasn't been touched by anything in Marvel since. He has monumental statues....has been centered in all of the X-movies, animated series to the point where they have episodes revolve solely about him(something you can't get for no other villain in comic fiction except for Joker during the Batman show).

Mystique? How she got a limited? I have no idea on earth. I guess that old saying is right...they will try to sell anything X-related.


Mystique has had merchandising out of her ass too. So what? And it's certainly NOT just Magneto that launched a new X-Men number one to huge sales heights. It was multiple covers, Jim Lee, a brand new revised X-Men team. Your guy was just a piece of the puzzle, because I sure as hell know I never bought a copy of X-Men #1 for Magneto.

And Mystique didn't have a limited series. Mystique had an going series that ran for 2 years, which is better than contemporary series by other X-related females like Rogue and Emma Frost. Magneto has never carried anything beyond a mini-series by himself - he probably never could.


Mystique sneaking on Charles Xavier and beating him? That happened? How, when, where, and who was the idiot that wrote it?? I mean you're bringing up books from over 20 years ago...how is this jobber doing this NOW? Emma? Who cares about Emma. She's weak and not even Jean Grey level. She's not a psi of the first order. She's been pushed in recent years since the Morrison era but she was never a team wrecker or anything of the sort.

Please, you're arguing a point that could easily be turned back, with Magneto killing a Phoenix empowered Jean Grey. Magneto is nowhere in the Phoenix's league, yet, he killed her. If you can embrace a story where a human mutant kills a cosmic empowered entity, then I think you can understand how Mystique killing Mr. Sinister might work. All it takes is a moment, and your continuing tantrum shows how hypocritical and deluded you are when it comes to your "favorites."

[jmc247]

Please, you're arguing a point that could easily be turned back, with Magneto killing a Phoenix empowered Jean Grey. Magneto is nowhere in the Phoenix's league, yet, he killed her.

From Chris Claremont

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/magsphoenix-2.jpg

also from Chris Claremont

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/UncannyX-men-112_14.jpg

Both Magneto and the Phoenix were intended by Claremont to be cosmic level beings with unlimited power potental.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Oh, come on, Mags sooooo is an Omega. 'Ro too, for that matter. Mmm, there might just be a subtle connection there. Right, the Dreamboat CC thingy. Nevermind. :D

[Hi-Fi]

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6725/uncannyxmen178018jd8.jpg

[frog]

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6725/uncannyxmen178018jd8.jpg

This art scares me. In the 3rd panel Rogue just looks like Xavier with a Rogue wig.

[Hi-Fi]

This art scares me. In the 3rd panel Rogue just looks like Xavier with a Rogue wig.
LOL. The teen years are the worst!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

This art scares me. In the 3rd panel Rogue just looks like Xavier with a Rogue wig.

Rogue/Mags/Chuck weird love triangle, anyone?

Maybe that's what the Rogue/Mags thingy from later Claremont days was all about. Her looking like Chuck with a wig.

[jester1436]

From Chris Claremont

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/magsphoenix-2.jpg

also from Chris Claremont

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/UncannyX-men-112_14.jpg

Both Magneto and the Phoenix were intended by Claremont to be cosmic level beings with unlimited power potental.

Please, Magneto, for all his power, is not a cosmic level being. Extremely powerful mutant, yes, but cosmic level being? No. My favorite character, Dazzler, can absorb unlimited amounts of sound and produce unlimited amounts of light and was once picked up by Galactus as a substitute herald. Does that truly make her a cosmic level being? No, not really.

Phoenix underestimating him when she initially acquires her power is one thing, but it's not like she didn't eat a planet of broccoli people years later, which I'm sure seem ridiculously out of reach at that point. She has ridiculous life and death powers and it takes as much deliberate writing for Magneto to whammy kill her as it does for Mystique to kill Mr. Sinister. Just because they're unlikely, doesn't mean it can't happen, as Sinister's horrified grimace attests.

[jester1436]

LOL. The teen years are the worst!

Awww, our awkward little Rouge has grown into a woman. :)

[Hi-Fi]

Awww, our awkward little Rouge has grown into a woman. :)
She IS beautiful now, isn't she?

<3 <3 <3

[CJ Lentze]

Also note that the 'months ago in Washington' thing was Mystique getting very close to killing Xavier as well (the UXM 142 wbe mentioned above). In fact, in the DFOP timeline, Mystique had succeeded in killing Xavier, MacTaggert, and Senator Kelly in one fell swoop. Heavens, it took a time-travelling Kitty to prevent it. Mystique is no lightweight.

[Hi-Fi]

Also note that the 'months ago in Washington' thing was Mystique getting very close to killing Xavier as well (the UXM 142 wbe mentioned above). In fact, in the DFOP timeline, Mystique had succeeded in killing Xavier, MacTaggert, and Senator Kelly in one fell swoop. Heavens, it took a time-travelling Kitty to prevent it. Mystique is no lightweight.
We all know that, Mormel. And that dude will ignore it. So we're both wasting out time here, I guess.

I love you, though, Mormel!!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Oh, come on, I'm not going on a crusade and I do see why Sinister kicking it like that is kinda funny, but you can't possibly compare GUNNING DOWN Chuck to WRESTLING Sinister. :p

[Hi-Fi]

Oh, come on, I'm not going on a crusade and I do see why Sinister kicking it like that is kinda funny, but you can't possibly compare GUNNING DOWN Chuck to WRESTLING Sinister. :p
I was talking about Erik Lensheer, actually. ;)

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I was talking about Erik Lensheer, actually. ;)

Oh, I know. I'm just saying Erik isn't necessarily wrong on this one because of his/her(?)... huh... glorious track record in debates involving CC's pets.

[Hi-Fi]

But Mystique can increase the mass on her body. It's not like it was Pixie pushing Sinister.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

But Mystique can increase the mass on her body. There wasn't really any indication that she did...


It's not like it was Pixie pushing Sinister.

True, eh. Still, her unicorns might help tip the balance. Well, Sins could *think* so and just cower out of fear. Or something.

God that would be soooo AWESOME. :D

Dark Pixie and her Unicorn Legion of Doom.

[frog]

Frankly, I think it was probably intended that Mystique just gave Sinister a good quick shove, but the artist drew the scene as longer and a head lock situation to get in her dialogue and add drama.

[CJ Lentze]

I love you, though, Mormel!!
My day has been made! >blush<
♥♥♥

[Hi-Fi]

My day has been made! >blush<
♥♥♥
Real hearts! It's like magic!

[Nyssane]

...This thread is gay.

[frog]

...This thread is gay.

But it's love so it's all good.

[Omega Alpha]

Frankly, I think it was probably intended that Mystique just gave Sinister a good quick shove, but the artist drew the scene as longer and a head lock situation to get in her dialogue and add drama.

Yeah, it was probably Ramos' screw up. If it took more than a couple of seconds, Sinister would just teleport, use TK to drive her away, etc.

[Callisto]

mystique in her own ongoing series has torn an airplane apart with her barehands.....

[Brent1974]

I honestly thought Sinister's death scene was great. But if he appears in the last chapter alive I would not be disappointed as it would end all of the 'Mystique is not more powerful than Sinister' heh.

I have Mystiques entire series and she did alot in it that she had never done before, showing her strengths and weaknesses. It was refreshing and I hope she continues to be a major player for years to come.

[icareenuffforII]

Dark Pixie and her Unicorn Legion of Doom.

LOL

My little Pony Apocalypse Pony *robot chicken reference*

[Erik Lehnsherr]

mystique in her own ongoing series has torn an airplane apart with her barehands.....


LOL! And Beast can't? Retcons are great.

We all know that, Mormel. And that dude will ignore it. So we're both wasting out time here, I guess.

I love you, though, Mormel!!

Ignore? She hasn't done nothing her whole career except in some 1980s Uncanny issues and some series that is never and has never been talked about to date until it was convenient enough to bring up in this job out of Sinister? Yeah right. And why ignore it? I guess revising things is the next big thing...much like when everyone was SO CERTAIN that Carey's X-Men was getting canceled and he was getting canceled. I mean...I know alot of you are still in high school and what not and don't want to come off too young but when you play yourself like that, you can't try to come off like you're credible on a daily basis especially in defense of a jobber that has never meant anything until this story

So basically, despite the books showing Mystique can do those things, and that Emma IS a pretty powerful psi, what YOU do, is pick and choose what issues/runs/writers YOU consider to be canon for their powers. Interesting.

20 years of 3 back issues is your evidence though. Sinister has outprepped the X-Men, X-Factor, Cable, Nate Grey, Jean Grey, Xavier, and Apocalypse directly. It's like ignoring history to push this Rogue/Mystique nonsense. Carey is great...Brubaker can't miss these days but this was a goofy push. Not everyone is perfect. They had to have a miss at one point and this is it.

LOL@Emma being a "powerful psi". Yeah...powerful now that Nate Grey is dead, Cable-God is defunct, and that the overpushed Jean Grey experiment is over. Exodus should be the most powerful telepath alive since he's punked out Xavier and Jean his whole career but they are holding him back so far in this story. They still have time to remedy these small mistakes though.

Also the fact that X-Men 2nd series was successful b/c of Magneto. That one I find hilarious.

Nothing in X-history can touch it and it revolved around one character...Magneto. But truth to be told, as much as he was the centerpiece, Claremont and Jim Lee were the other top reason it broke records that only McFarlene's Spider-Man #1 can come close to in Marvel history

[worstblogever]

Ignore? She hasn't done nothing her whole career except in some 1980s Uncanny issues and some series that is never and has never been talked about to date until it was convenient enough to bring up in this job out of Sinister? Yeah right. And why ignore it? I guess revising things is the next big thing...much like when everyone was SO CERTAIN that Carey's X-Men was getting canceled and he was getting canceled. I mean...I know alot of you are still in high school and what not and don't want to come off too young but when you play yourself like that, you can't try to come off like you're credible on a daily basis especially in defense of a jobber that has never meant anything until this story.

If you've never, ever heard Monty Cristo tout the Mystique series, in particular Shortpack, you haven't been on these forums long enough. Just because you didn't read it, doesn't mean it isn't in canon.

And, again, you're beating it to death that Mystique has never shown psi resistance, when we've already cited three times she's gotten the drop on Xavier, and two where she's gotten the drop on Emma Frost and all the Cuckoos. Plausible.

Mystique and Rogue killed Sinister. THE END.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

If you've never, ever heard Monty Cristo tout the Mystique series, in particular Shortpack, you haven't been on these forums long enough. Just because you didn't read it, doesn't mean it isn't in canon.

And, again, you're beating it to death that Mystique has never shown psi resistance, when we've already cited three times she's gotten the drop on Xavier, and two where she's gotten the drop on Emma Frost and all the Cuckoos. Plausible.

Mystique and Rogue killed Sinister. THE END.

My friend, that's only at these boards. It's not like it's creating HUGE discussions at San Diego Internation Comic Con where I live at or the reports at the NY Comic cons, Chicago Comic Cons, or LA Comic Cons. The biggest fan galleries in the world and you can be damn sure that when Magneto or anyone of TRUE importance dies, fans are gonna ask those creators when they are coming back or such. Mystique? Only things that get asked in relation in accordance to her is about those movie appearances where Rebecca Romain Stamos played Magneto's sidekick. That's her truth worth to the mainstream. As for around here? Yeah...you're right. Monty is some fan of her work. Congratulations

Haven't been here long enough? I was here before you ever heard of this place. You new kids are comical.

[worstblogever]

My friend, that's only at these boards. It's not like it's creating HUGE discussions at San Diego Internation Comic Con where I live at or the reports at the NY Comic cons, Chicago Comic Cons, or LA Comic Cons. The biggest fan galleries in the world and you can be damn sure that when Magneto or anyone of TRUE importance dies, fans are gonna ask those creators when they are coming back or such. Mystique? Only things that get asked in relation in accordance to her is about those movie appearances where Rebecca Romain Stamos played Magneto's sidekick. That's her truth worth to the mainstream. As for around here? Yeah...you're right. Monty is some fan of her work. Congratulations

Haven't been here long enough? I was here before you ever heard of this place. You new kids are comical.

Well, glad to find out who wears the big pants around here.

Seniority doesn't grant you the privileges you're claiming, dude. Neither does attending more conventions. If you're trying to impress or intimidate me by bragging, you're not succeeding.

And if Mystique did, or ever gets killed, there would be fans who'd ask about her return. Hell, people kept asking when Adam-X would come back, or Random, or any character. Mystique's got relevance from the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, Freedom Force, X-Men, X-Factor... her solo book. If she's so unimportant, check this out:

http://www.comicbookdb.com/character_chron.php?ID=1981

Her list of appearances. That's a hell of a lot of them for someone who nobody cares about, and doesn't matter. And in some of them, believe it or not, there's plenty of indication of how she might pull off killing Essex.

Good day. :)

[cgar]

oh are you guys still arguing about sinisters death? and blah blah
sinisters death is not the only thing that happened

ok i'll come back later

[worstblogever]

oh are you guys still arguing about sinisters death? and blah blah
sinisters death is not the only thing that happened

ok i'll come back later

I'm down for talking about Pixie.

Was her teleport hasty, and foolish and was it pure luck that Predator X happened to eat Vertigo or was it just what the X-Men needed to turn the fight completely in their favor? The last confusing trump card to the battle?

[icareenuffforII]

I'm wondering what's going to happen to Mercury if/when she reincorporates Predator X into herself (it was made from her)...like is she going to take on some guilt or characteristics?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I personally think it was just for a goof.

[Pach!]

I'm down for talking about Pixie.

Was her teleport hasty, and foolish and was it pure luck that Predator X happened to eat Vertigo or was it just what the X-Men needed to turn the fight completely in their favor? The last confusing trump card to the battle?

Hasty and foolish! ALTHOUGH... No one in the mansion could probably kill Predator X and in the end they might have all died.

At least now the only people in risk of dying are the people who got pixieported to muir island. Maybe Exodus can rip Predator X in half.

[worstblogever]

I personally think it was just for a goof.

I think it's funny all the New X-Men managed to get there... and Darwin still never appeared on panel.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

At least now the only people in risk of dying are the people who got pixieported to muir island. Maybe Exodus can rip Predator X in half.

Considering what he's done so far in the crossover, I'd say NO.

And how the hell did he not pick up on Sinister getting offed...

Oh, wait. Sorry. :D

So, Pixie should've teleported with unicorns.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I think it's funny all the New X-Men managed to get there... and Darwin still never appeared on panel.

He did once during the crossover or did you rather mean the final act?

Cause Bru ain't writing these chapters and I doubt he bothered trying to pimp the character that hard.

[worstblogever]

Hasty and foolish! ALTHOUGH... No one in the mansion could probably kill Predator X and in the end they might have all died.

At least now the only people in risk of dying are the people who got pixieported to muir island. Maybe Exodus can rip Predator X in half.

Exodus seems to have his hands full with Storm and Siryn at the moment. But there's so many X-Men and New X-Men present, he's probably going to only see more trouble from them before he worries about Preddy Krueger.

If adamantium hurts Predator X, it's going to be X-23, Mercury, or Wolverine that really do the damage against it, most likely.

[cgar]

I'm down for talking about Pixie.

Was her teleport hasty, and foolish and was it pure luck that Predator X happened to eat Vertigo or was it just what the X-Men needed to turn the fight completely in their favor? The last confusing trump card to the battle?

I dont think she really thought about it. It was just foolish. And i don't think Vertigo was the X-Men's biggest threat, her getting eaten was luck because it could of been anyone

[worstblogever]

He did once during the crossover or did you rather mean the final act?

Cause Bru ain't writing these chapters and I doubt he bothered trying to pimp the character that hard.

I meant the final act. He only appeared in the spread in the X-Mansions hanger with Cyclops' assembled strike team before they went out to Texas. And, haven't seen him since. I'll be surprised if he's even in a background or group shot in the finale next week.

[worstblogever]

I dont think she really thought about it. It was just foolish. And i don't think Vertigo was the X-Men's biggest threat, her getting eaten was luck because it could of been anyone

If she hadn't teleported, though, would Pred X have slowly taken out all the kids at Westchester, and would the fight at Muir Island continued to go as well?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Mmm. Should we be taking bets or...?

I say no, cause it'd be tough to have his powers visually mean something in a single panel...