The Tom Cruise Scientology Indoctrination Video!

[ForkedTongue]

I'm definitely going to be there. It beats sitting around playing Xbox all day.

[Jack Zodiac]

Rollin' up on ours at two, and then visitin' a friend in the hoosegow right afterwards! Productive afternoon!

[Teh m0nk3y]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/webscout/2008/03/scientology-pre.html

[Spiffy]

Sigh. As disgusting as Scientology is, sometimes its hard to get behind Anonymous.

For me part of the problem is the fact that some of these 4chan people can be real arrogant trolls. So its hard to stay enthusiastic about the whole Anonymous thing when you randomly get smacked by these dweebs just for caring about the issue enough to comment.

Example: I made a random joke about Xenu on someone's YouTube video and I get the comeback (not even from the video's poster) than I was being "a newfag".

For those who don't know but somehow care, that's their term for someone who is lame because he's desperately trying to fit in with their super coolness.

I was tempted to write the idiot back and tell him that I didn't give a crap about his little clubhouse, but I stopped myself, realizing that I don't really want to give some 13 year old the satisfaction.

Anonymous still hasn't grown up. But that said, I'm glad to hear these protests went well.

[Jack Zodiac]

Anonymous can't grow up. Anonymous is amorphous. These people? They aren't really Anonymous anymore. They need a new tag. Nameless. Laughing Man. Something.

[Charles RB]

For me part of the problem is the fact that some of these 4chan people can be real arrogant trolls.

Only "some"? You're a positive person.

[Teh m0nk3y]

4chan:

Pissing in an ocean of piss

[Crowley]

The easiest way for Scientology to defeat Anonymous is to wait for a World Of Warcraft update.

[Teh m0nk3y]

4chan does not necessarily equal Anonymous. There's a whole host of chans out there. Just because you have the typical neck beards wanting to reclaim Anon from the protesters doesn't mean that Anon hasn't somewhat evolved a bit. At least they're generating epic amounts of lulz.

[ForkedTongue]

I was at the Phoenix rally today. Everyone was very upbeat and polite. The plainclothes policemen watching over us were very chill and let us do our thing and there was seemingly no Co$ interaction. We got a lot of support from passers-by. All in all, it was a good time.

BTW, I have nothing to do with Anonymous. I went purely as a Concerned Citizen who happens to echo the sentiments Anonymous is putting out there. :)

[Crowley]

Gee, if only there was a war to protest.

[Jack Zodiac]

You can't protest both?

[Crowley]

Well I'm hoping people are putting as much energy into this as they are into things like the war and genocide in Sudan, etc...

Furthermore, while I have no doubt the Scientologists are full of shit... but I also have no doubt some of "Anonymous" is taking this thing WAY too fucking far.

[Spiffy]

Well I'm hoping people are putting as much energy into this as they are into things like the war and genocide in Sudan, etc...

Furthermore, while I have no doubt the Scientologists are full of shit... but I also have no doubt some of "Anonymous" is taking this thing WAY too fucking far.
How so?

I mean if they were actually calling the Scientologists and making bomb threats, then yeah, they'd be. But its pretty clear that the CoS is doing that themselves (its one of their typical tactics).

I don't like the 13 year old assholes who insist on going on about lolz and epic wins and newfags and bullshit like that, but I don't debate for a second how dangerous the CoS is. It's more than them simply being "full of shit". These folks have a fairly dangerous agenda--they always have in fact--so its about more than just having bullshit beliefs.

If these kids treating this like a party draws investigative media attention to the CoS, and government investigation, then its probably a good thing.

[kingdom2000]

Naw, funner to protest Scientology. Besides there is always genocide of some kind going on in Africa. It wouldn't be a decade without some country there needed a bail out from the US (and then hating us for it later). Nope, let Africa be Africa and let others protest what they want without feeling bad about it.

[Tobias March]

Naw, funner to protest Scientology. Besides there is always genocide of some kind going on in Africa. It wouldn't be a decade without some country there needed a bail out from the US (and then hating us for it later). Nope, let Africa be Africa and let others protest what they want without feeling bad about it.

What an enlightened individual you are.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Well I'm hoping people are putting as much energy into this as they are into things like the war and genocide in Sudan, etc...

Furthermore, while I have no doubt the Scientologists are full of shit... but I also have no doubt some of "Anonymous" is taking this thing WAY too fucking far.

I am not part of Anonymous but feel much like Forked Tongue. That being said I can go to a protest and fight the war with my vote.

Too much protesting and I start to feel like a dirty hippy.

But explain how anything is "too far"? I saw protests that not only followed the law but also made it a point to ask the cops at all points how they could better comply. Made it a point to tell people to pick up their trash, walk single file to allow others to pass, etc.

And what would happen if you put the energy that you expend in to belittling an amorphous group into organizing a protest of whatever you want?

[Matt Doc Martin]

Naw, funner to protest Scientology. Besides there is always genocide of some kind going on in Africa. It wouldn't be a decade without some country there needed a bail out from the US (and then hating us for it later). Nope, let Africa be Africa and let others protest what they want without feeling bad about it.

What an enlightened individual you are.

Honestly, I hate to see it but that whole area is pretty much fucked. We pour billions of dollars in and what? Keep the killing to a "reasonable" level? Our economy is going down the pisser. Perhaps the oil rich countries on the continent would consider funding some help?

[Hybrid2]

unestly,I dont see how a protest in america would help in Africa.
The peoples in charge and the monsters who kill just dont care.

I dont know if there was a manif in montreal for scientologie this time.
But there was one about police brutality.It did'nt go well. :-/ morons started making troubles and brake stuff.32 people where arested.:(

There was a manif that turn bad a while ago,turn out the one who started the troubles where undercover cops.:mad:

[Teh m0nk3y]

What is interesting is that some of you people keep labeling the whole of "anon" as 14 year olds or just sad basement dwellers. The protest against Scientology tells a different story. The old guard of the protesters have embraced Anon. New people that have nothing to do with the old stereotype have embraced the label "anon". There's also the group of people who first frequented 4chan who have gotten older. There's also all those image boards on the net that is not named 4chan. In other words: Anonymous does not always equal 4chan.

[Matt Doc Martin]

What is interesting is that some of you people keep labeling the whole of "anon" as 14 year olds or just sad basement dwellers. The protest against Scientology tells a different story. The old guard of the protesters have embraced Anon. New people that have nothing to do with the old stereotype have embraced the label "anon". There's also the group of people who first frequented 4chan who have gotten older. There's also all those image boards on the net that is not named 4chan. In other words: Anonymous does not always equal 4chan.

You and your logic!!!!

[The Xenos]

Geez. Check out this bullshit in the Atlanta area. Wasn't there a state of emergency due to the tornado disaster these cops would have been better suited at.

Creepy as hell video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_GK-9O8glU
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/03/16/protesters-arrested-at-anti-scientology-event-in-atlanta/

They were arrested for:
1)Protesting without a permit. Which we were told repeatedly by them before the event that we did NOT need a permit.
2)Causing offensive or hazardous conditions.

WN Was there any statement issued by police on what the two arrested individuals were arrested for?

Anonymous 2: Originally I heard that they couldn't answer that, but then people started saying it was for inciting disorder and for protesting without a permit. We had contacted the police department earlier, and were told that we wouldn't need a permit.

WN The videos published on YouTube show the individuals arrested very quickly- simply frog-marched off. Did the arresting officers follow procedure - reading the individuals their rights, and so on - during the arrest ?

Anonymous 2: Nobody heard them being read their rights.
Anonymous 3: They were grabbed and taken behind the complex in one swift strike. There was no Miranda rights read when they were initially grabbed.

Total bullcrap. Those cops should be ashamed. A friend who went to one around here said the cops were very good. The bigggest thing was that they stopped people from hading flyers to cars at the stop light and pulled one car of protesters over for honking too much and holding up traffic.

[Jack Zodiac]

Wow, they actually ticketed people for honking their horns? That's fucking hilarious. And yeah, what the fuck, there were tornado conditions in Atlanta yesterday, and they had a couple dozen cops at the fucking Scientology center? Deep pockets. I also love how they didn't charge or read either of those guys their rights while they were hauling them off.

[Jack Zodiac]

Oh, and they took them into the Scientology center? I'm fairly certain that, unless a crime was committed within the place, proper police procedure is to read the arrested their Miranda rights on the spot, then take them into a police cruiser and to the station to be formally charged and booked. They took 'em into the Scientology building, though? Where, I'm sure, they were videotaped being unmasked at some point? That's fucking crazy.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Hello, lawsuits!

[Crowley]

How so?

I mean if they were actually calling the Scientologists and making bomb threats, then yeah, they'd be. But its pretty clear that the CoS is doing that themselves (its one of their typical tactics).

I don't like the 13 year old assholes who insist on going on about lolz and epic wins and newfags and bullshit like that, but I don't debate for a second how dangerous the CoS is. It's more than them simply being "full of shit". These folks have a fairly dangerous agenda--they always have in fact--so its about more than just having bullshit beliefs.

If these kids treating this like a party draws investigative media attention to the CoS, and government investigation, then its probably a good thing.

I am not part of Anonymous but feel much like Forked Tongue. That being said I can go to a protest and fight the war with my vote.

Too much protesting and I start to feel like a dirty hippy.

But explain how anything is "too far"? I saw protests that not only followed the law but also made it a point to ask the cops at all points how they could better comply. Made it a point to tell people to pick up their trash, walk single file to allow others to pass, etc.
Addressing you both here... DOS attacks was too far and if any of them DID threaten physical violence or bombings... they went too far.

Protest is fine... harassment, threats, etc. not so much. We agree there, right?

And what would happen if you put the energy that you expend in to belittling an amorphous group into organizing a protest of whatever you want?
You mean like the dozens of war and torture protests I've been to and helped promote at the Daley Center over the last almost 4 years?
Or the amount of time I've spent wrangling art and comics for Unscrewed?

And I've never seriously belittled Anonymous... (WoW joke aside) I'm just pointing out that if any of the members have gone too far and made threatening phone calls or called in bombs, or been harassing... they've gone too far. AND I hope they're balancing this protest out with some of the bigger things happening in the world.

[Jack Zodiac]

In the grand scheme of things, I'd say protesting Scientology is about on par with supporting the Unscrewed charity. It's about helping people avoid getting fucked by swindling douchebags.

[Matt Doc Martin]

In the grand scheme of things, I'd say protesting Scientology is about on par with supporting the Unscrewed charity. It's about helping people avoid getting fucked by swindling douchebags.

Think globally, act locally.

[Crowley]

Geez. Check out this bullshit in the Atlanta area. Wasn't there a state of emergency due to the tornado disaster these cops would have been better suited at.

Creepy as hell video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_GK-9O8glU
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/03/16/protesters-arrested-at-anti-scientology-event-in-atlanta/





Total bullcrap. Those cops should be ashamed. A friend who went to one around here said the cops were very good. The bigggest thing was that they stopped people from hading flyers to cars at the stop light and pulled one car of protesters over for honking too much and holding up traffic.

this is where the antiwar and Anonymous fall into line together:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QvGBRdom0k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf4w1e9Nuo8x

[Crowley]

In the grand scheme of things, I'd say protesting Scientology is about on par with supporting the Unscrewed charity. It's about helping people avoid getting fucked by swindling douchebags.

While I certainly can't disagree with that general thinking... I do think that at this point the information is out there for people about Scientology. So much has been made of the Tom Cruise video that people falling for Scientology would have to actively make an effort to avoid simply googling.

And I'm not against taking any legal action against Scientology... just the illegal stuff.

[Matt Doc Martin]

While I certainly can't disagree with that general thinking... I do think that at this point the information is out there for people about Scientology. So much has been made of the Tom Cruise video that people falling for Scientology would have to actively make an effort to avoid simply googling.

And I'm not against taking any legal action against Scientology... just the illegal stuff.

I am against illegal acts as well. I saw about 300 people acting VERY well yesterday and the police were very supportive.

Don't confuse the acts of a twisted few with all of "Anonymous". Much like you cannot few YABS ands consider the likes of a few morons here with the whole board.

[Crowley]

I am against illegal acts as well. I saw about 300 people acting VERY well yesterday and the police were very supportive.

Don't confuse the acts of a twisted few with all of "Anonymous". Much like you cannot few YABS ands consider the likes of a few morons here with the whole board.
from my initial post on the subject:

Furthermore, while I have no doubt the Scientologists are full of shit... but I also have no doubt some of "Anonymous" is taking this thing WAY too fucking far.

[Matt Doc Martin]

from my initial post on the subject:

I saw that two posts after snark. But thanks for the refresh!

[Cam63]

Honestly, I hate to see it but that whole area is pretty much fucked. We pour billions of dollars in and what? Keep the killing to a "reasonable" level? Our economy is going down the pisser. Perhaps the oil rich countries on the continent would consider funding some help?

Now, there's a fucking decent idea.

[Cam63]

Wow, they actually ticketed people for honking their horns? That's fucking hilarious. And yeah, what the fuck, there were tornado conditions in Atlanta yesterday, and they had a couple dozen cops at the fucking Scientology center? Deep pockets. I also love how they didn't charge or read either of those guys their rights while they were hauling them off.

I feel ashamed for them.

[Jack Zodiac]

That's the problem with taking up the name "Anonymous," though. You can take credit for awesome quotes and scathing political novels, Scientology protests and YouTube videos, but then so many other people are using the name to post ridiculous bullshit on the Internet it defeats the purposes of rallying behind the name. It ruins the image of the protesters and their cause when they're lumped in with douchebags.

But the problem with protesting Scientology, though, is that they'll flat out attack you- to the point of fabrication- if they find out who you are. After last month's protests, a lot of people who'd previously protested Scientology and then joined in the protests with "Anonymous" found their faces and names pinned to restaurant windows labeling them religious bigots and cyber-terrorists. That's how Scientology fights back, and that's why a nameless, faceless, leaderless organization is the best way to protest them.

And I agree, Crowley, that after all of this, most of the general public is aware about Scientology. But to your earlier point, how much of the general public is unaware of what a worthless clusterfuck the war in Iraq has become? That doesn't lessen the effect of their protests or render them meaningless. Nor should it matter if, for four hours out of a month, a bunch of college kids decide to stand out front of Scientology centers handing out flyers telling the public about the real dangerous of Scientology and their crimes instead of just embellishing the insanity of their celebrity members.

So I hope to see more of these protests in the future, and more people realizing that Scientology isn't just a crazy weirdo cult, but a dangerous criminal organization with a really fucking checkered past and unusual "clerical" structure.

[Cam63]

Stupid bastards will get sucked in and parted with their money, no matter what you do to warn 'em.

[Crowley]

That's the problem with taking up the name "Anonymous," though. You can take credit for awesome quotes and scathing political novels, Scientology protests and YouTube videos, but then so many other people are using the name to post ridiculous bullshit on the Internet it defeats the purposes of rallying behind the name. It ruins the image of the protesters and their cause when they're lumped in with douchebags.

But the problem with protesting Scientology, though, is that they'll flat out attack you- to the point of fabrication- if they find out who you are. After last month's protests, a lot of people who'd previously protested Scientology and then joined in the protests with "Anonymous" found their faces and names pinned to restaurant windows labeling them religious bigots and cyber-terrorists. That's how Scientology fights back, and that's why a nameless, faceless, leaderless organization is the best way to protest them.

And I agree, Crowley, that after all of this, most of the general public is aware about Scientology. But to your earlier point, how much of the general public is unaware of what a worthless clusterfuck the war in Iraq has become? That doesn't lessen the effect of their protests or render them meaningless. Nor should it matter if, for four hours out of a month, a bunch of college kids decide to stand out front of Scientology centers handing out flyers telling the public about the real dangerous of Scientology and their crimes instead of just embellishing the insanity of their celebrity members.

So I hope to see more of these protests in the future, and more people realizing that Scientology isn't just a crazy weirdo cult, but a dangerous criminal organization with a really fucking checkered past and unusual "clerical" structure.
True... this is a good and fair point, and I'm all for protesting Scientology. Just hope they're balancing it with everything else and not going to extremes.

[Cam63]

How about the Vatican return all the gold they stole from Central and South America ?

...Or is that just an anti-Catholic myth ?

[Jack Zodiac]

True... this is a good and fair point, and I'm all for protesting Scientology. Just hope they're balancing it with everything else and not going to extremes.

Well, the folks who attend the protests so far have not. And we're talking about tens of thousands of people, which is a pretty decent indicator of their dedication to fairly and legally protesting and taking a stance against Scientology.

[Cam63]

The thing I dislike the most about Scientologists is their complete and utter intolerance of anyone who doesn't buy their bullshit.

[kingdom2000]

I feel ashamed for them.

Living in Georgia, I can tell you the priority for most counties and cities is income first, actual crime second. The protesting is a finable offense. Helping people recover from a tornado isn't. Also I am betting that Scientology put some campaign money into more then a few Sheriff's coffers. Sadly the press here are a bunch of useless sheep who wouldn't know "investigative journalism" if it came and bit them on the ass. Their idea of journalism is the much paradied "could this food kill you!!! Find out at 11:00!. Torndoes may be coming to destroy your city, find out where at 11:00!" So don't expect anything from that quadrant.

[Red Berens]

Bree is a scientologist. Swear.

[Cam63]

Stop smoking the evidence, Red !

[Cam63]

Living in Georgia, I can tell you the priority for most counties and cities is income first, actual crime second. The protesting is a finable offense. Helping people recover from a tornado isn't. Also I am betting that Scientology put some campaign money into more then a few Sheriff's coffers. Sadly the press here are a bunch of useless sheep who wouldn't know "investigative journalism" if it came and bit them on the ass. Their idea of journalism is the much paradied "could this food kill you!!! Find out at 11:00!. Torndoes may be coming to destroy your city, find out where at 11:00!" So don't expect anything from that quadrant.

That wouldn't surprise me.

[the4thpip]

http://www.viruscomix.com/uuhhh.jpg

[Jack Zodiac]

Saved! Awesome find, Pip!

[Cam63]

I'll second that. :)

[ChthonicSpirit]

ROFL at the contents of that bookshelf, too.

[Tobias March]

Saved! Awesome find, Pip!

Yup nice work. Yoinked.

[Spiffy]

This is TOO funny...

http://www.idontlikeyouinthatway.com/2008/04/tom-cruise-has-his-own-marijuana.html


Tom Cruise and his lawyers are seriously considering suing after they have learned of a new strain of medical marijuana that bears the actor's name - "Tom Cruise Purple." Tom Cruise threatening legal action? Get outta here. Rush & Malloy reports:

One of Cruise's friends found it "outrageous" that licensed cannabis clubs in Northern California are selling vials of pot featuring a picture of Cruise laughing hysterically. Like other followers of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, Cruise is opposed to the use of psychotropic drugs. Staffers at several California clinics we called said they were forbidden to discuss any of the herbal varieties in their "inventory." But one weed devotee said, "I heard it's the kind of pot that makes you hallucinate."


Tom Cruise is an indoctrinated robot who sues at every slightest perceived offense, so the ironic thing here is that if Tom Cruise actually smoked some weed, he'd realize he was a tool and a Scientology puppet with a Napoleon complex who would probably be better off just coming out of the closet and living on a farm somewhere in Iowa with his life partner and their adopted Korean son and their two Labs. So if you happen to see Tom Cruise walking down the street and you also happen to enjoy smoking marijuana in public, blow a shotgun in his face. The American people depend on you.

[kingdom2000]

Another protest of Scientology for April 12th. Operation Reconnect.

The why is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSSgwD-9PS4

Details on the where all over the place here:
http://forums.enturbulation.org/

Background details/summaries up to now here:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4dcig_road-to-february-10-2008-final-vers_politics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uR3qFfxoIo

[the4thpip]

http://gawker.com/tag/tom-cruise/?i=5015729&t=tom-cruise-proves-sanity-by-calling-shrink-a-nazi

Tom Cruise Proves Sanity By Calling Shrink A Nazi

Drew Pinsky is downright respectable, at least by TV doctor standards. Unlike "Dr. Phil," he has an actual medical degree, practices medicine and even teaches psychiatry. His reality show, Celebrity Rehab, is both more gripping and responsible than other celebrity "reality" vehicles. But Tom Cruise has allowed his lawyer to compare "Dr. Drew" to Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels, because the doctor told Playboy the following about movie star Cruise's fevered devotion to the Church of Scientology:

A lot of people in the public eye who behave strangely have mental illness we can learn from, and much of it is based on childhood trauma, without a doubt. Take a guy like Tom Cruise. Why would somebody be drawn into a cultish kind of environment like Scientology? To me, that's a function of a very deep emptiness and suggests serious neglect in childhood - maybe some abuse, but mostly neglect.

Cruise's high-powered attorney, Bert Fields, a frequent client of convicted wiretapper and racketeer Anthony Pellicano, called Pinsky an "unqualified television performer who is obviously just looking for notoriety," adding, "The last time we heard garbage like this was from Joseph Goebbels."

Cruise has already spoken on record about his abusive father. Strange, then, that he would snap so viciously over speculation he was neglected.

Perhaps the megastar interprets Pinsky's statements as a slam against his mother, the presumptive neglector. More likely, it was the line about Scientology's "cultish" environment that sent Cruise, a church bigwig, into attack mode.

But a slam this over the top only makes Cruise look more crazy while drawing attention to his own deep involvement with the sect.

[Charles RB]

"The last time we heard garbage like this was from Joseph Goebbels."

You have to wonder if he genuinely believes this.

[Infra-Man]

http://www.t-shirthumor.com/Merchant2/graphics/fullsize/tcbc_lg.gif

[Sarah Beach]

From WENN stories on IMDb-- (part of the article) --

But Cruise's attorney, Bert Fields, has slammed the article - insisting Pinsky's analysis is absurd.

He tells the New York Post's gossip column PageSix, "This unqualified television performer who is obviously just looking for notoriety is so grotesquely unprofessional as to pretend to diagnose Tom and others without ever meeting them."

There is no logic in Scientology attacks, of course.

(First, in a part that I don't quote here, Pinsky's comment about Cruise says that Cruise's behavior suggests to the doctor a history of neglect.)

(1) Fields (and by implication Cruise) call Pinsky an "unqualified television performer". But who, I ask you, is determining the "qualifications"? And is Pinsky unqualified as a television performer, or as something else. Because, you note, Fields ignores that pesky little "DR." that goes with Pinsky's name, which means that a university somewhere in the world considered Pinsky qualified in something!

And if they're questioning the "television performer" aspect, well, let's ask, who trained Mr. Cruise? Because I don't recall that he did much studying of the craft of acting ... he just sort of fell into it on his charm and hasn't polished it much since then. Which would, of course, explain his terrible acting in the deadly War of the Worlds.

(2) If Pinsky is "unqualified", then why would anything he had to say be considered "grossly unprofessional"???? What profession are they referring to? That profession that the Scientologists supposedly don't consider a profession? Hello?

(3) Pinsky didn't categorize his comments as a diagnosis. It's rather clear from his statement, about how the behavior suggests to him a particular history. He does not go so far as claiming that is the case, because he's apparently professional enough to know he'd need to actually meet with the subject for a more definitive description (ie, diagnosis).

(4) Although Fields (and those he's speaking for) chastise Pinsky for commenting on Cruise's behavior without having met with Cruise, they apparently have no problem of similarly (or even more grotesquely) commenting on Pinsky's "behavior" without their having met with him.

God, they are such hypocrits!

(Some days, I can't resist analysing the linguistic illogic of Scientology pronouncements.)

[Charles RB]

There is no logic in Scientology attacks, of course.

There is, sadly - "if we attack viciously every time, no one will dare speak out."

[Spiffy]

There is no logic in Scientology attacks, of course.

(First, in a part that I don't quote here, Pinsky's comment about Cruise says that Cruise's behavior suggests to the doctor a history of neglect.)

(1) Fields (and by implication Cruise) call Pinsky an "unqualified television performer". But who, I ask you, is determining the "qualifications"? And is Pinsky unqualified as a television performer, or as something else. Because, you note, Fields ignores that pesky little "DR." that goes with Pinsky's name, which means that a university somewhere in the world considered Pinsky qualified in something
The University of Southern California, according to Wikipedia.

To my surprise, it also reveals that he's an Internal Medicine specialist--an MD (probably a pretty decent one though, since he's a former Chief Resident for Internal Medicine at USC's Huntington Memorial Hospital). For some reason I'd always assumed he was a shrink. However, he does have a specialty (and extra board certifications) in addiction medicine.

[The Xenos]

Well obvious Cruise is right. Well all know psychiatry is a Nazi pseudo science founded in the Holocaust. Just check out their museum in Clearwater. It has all the 'facts'. :rolleyes:

[Infra-Man]

Well, maybe Tom's rep was just trying to do some PR for Tom's upcoming WWII thriller, Valkyrie.

http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photo_StoryLevel/071114/071114_cruiseValkyrie_vmed_4p.widec.jpg

[Royal]

Here's the funny things.

1.) One of the major selling points this movie has is the supposed "uncanny resemblence to Claus von Stauffenberg".

2.) Even with the degraded silver photo they used for comparison, Cruise looks nothing like Claus von Stauffenberg.

3.) No matter where I look, I can't image link any photos of the comparison. I can't even link.

Here is Claus von Stauffenberg (no...it's not Tom Cruise).

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/11/09/stauffenberg_071107095109443_wideweb__300x375.jpg

[Infra-Man]

Here's the funny things.

1.) One of the major selling points this movie has is the supposed "uncanny resemblence to Claus von Stauffenberg".

2.) Even with the degraded silver photo they used for comparison, Cruise looks nothing like Claus von Stauffenberg.

3.) No matter where I look, I can't image link any photos of the comparison. I can't even link.

Here is Claus von Stauffenberg (no...it's not Tom Cruise).

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/11/09/stauffenberg_071107095109443_wideweb__300x375.jpg

Hmmm... This ad person who emphasized the "uncanny resemblance"--is that person severely nearsighted?

[Royal]

Found the comparison.

http://www.wikicover.com/images/thumb/336px-Claus-von-stauffenberg.jpg

[Infra-Man]

Found the comparison.

http://www.wikicover.com/images/thumb/336px-Claus-von-stauffenberg.jpg

Nope, doesn't pass the uncanny test. If I saw the Claus von Stauffenberg pic independent of the Cruise pic, there is nothing about von Stauffenberg that would make me think "Wow, that guy looks just like Tom Cruise."

So to the ad person: "Uncanny," huh? You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.