Uncanny X-Men #495 - Divided We Stand Preview Pages [Archive]

Hi-Fi

01-15-2008, 01:11 PM

In the wake of Messiah CompleX's conclusion, the X-Men are no more -- but where do Xavier¹s former students go from here? The surviving mutants must reassess Xavier's dreams and decide if peaceful coexistence is still an option. An X-Men: Divided We Stand tie-in, this issue sets the stage for mutantkind's future and while former allies are mourned, is the world truly safer? Meanwhile, Iron Man confronts Cyclops with a plan for ensuring the safety of all mutants -- but will he agree?"

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0801/15/firsts.htm

No words.

MasterOdin

01-15-2008, 01:14 PM

I have to admit... that looks sweet! I wasn't looking forward to Uncanny post-MC, but this has me a bit more excited.

Sentinel K

01-15-2008, 01:16 PM

Choi is very hit-and-miss for me.

Some panels look awesome. But some don't look very good at all.

I think he's better at drawing women than men.

Cayman

01-15-2008, 01:17 PM

Choi's style seems more appropriate for a book like X-23 than X-Men.

Erik Lehnsherr

01-15-2008, 01:19 PM

Tony and Scott having a convo after it's settled down..that should be interesting considering Tony is about to get a even bigger push this year than the last two.

GeneralSpecific

01-15-2008, 01:24 PM

It all looks very pretty.
But I want to see Emma crack some hippie skulls with her DIAMOND FISTS OF FURY already.

Red Lotus

01-15-2008, 01:28 PM

Tony and Scott having a convo after it's settled down..that should be interesting considering Tony is about to get a even bigger push this year than the last two.

I would love for the next page to be Scott blasting Stark out of the air.

claimtosubclaim

01-15-2008, 01:28 PM

It all looks very pretty.
But I want to see Emma crack some hippie skulls with her DIAMOND FISTS OF FURY already.

Probably not gonna happen though. :( If I remember correctly, the SF location was a foiler and they're actually going to the Savage Land.

Novaya Havoc

01-15-2008, 01:29 PM

Oh MAN! It looks so FAB! Look! San Francisco! It's so DAZZLUH! I bet Dazz herself is down on Castro street between these panels!

Some very cool scenes by Choi.

soulkiller

01-15-2008, 01:30 PM

Why the hell does Tony Stark think that he's got all the mutant answers? Does he have a lovely beach resort on a empty island for all the mutants to 'vacation'? :evilsmile

ProfeZZor X

01-15-2008, 01:32 PM

Choi's style seems more appropriate for a book like X-23 than X-Men.

I disagree with you on that one. Given the seriousness of their situation and the drama unfolding, this topic needs an artist that can bring out facial expressions and body jestures more to the forefront. Because I don't think there are a lot of artists out there that can pull off action sequences and turn around and pull it in for tight & intense drama.

Jackob

01-15-2008, 01:37 PM

it looks like ironman is doing to wish that his visor was down. next panel ironman says "not in the face"

seriously though i hope that scott doesnt sell the x-kids to the initive

Toadman005

01-15-2008, 01:37 PM

Tony and Scott having a convo after it's settled down..that should be interesting considering Tony is about to get a even bigger push this year than the last two.
How has getting his everlovin @$$ handed to him by, I think LITERALLY every decent character in the MU the last 3-4 years a PUSH?

Telekine

01-15-2008, 01:38 PM

Yeah. He does seem to draw women better as opposed to men. Looks pretty good though in my opinion.

claimtosubclaim

01-15-2008, 01:40 PM

My only beef with Choi's art is that some of his male characters look too young for their ages, particularly Logan, and Cyclops when he's cleanshaven :p. But for the most part, I love that he gives them individual and civilian clothing rather than just always having them in costume. The attention to detail is great too (you can see reflections in Scott's glasses, the cold breath emerging from Scott's mouth when Bobby partially ices up and grabs him by the collar in 204, etc.)

Patrion

01-15-2008, 01:44 PM

It looks good, but I agree with him making some characters look too young. Some of the panels look, like, DAMN!, but yeah, others look "eh".

ProfeZZor X

01-15-2008, 01:46 PM

The attention to detail is great too (you can see reflections in Scott's glasses, the cold breath emerging from Scott's mouth when Bobby partially ices up and grabs him by the collar in 204, etc.)

That was such a bitchin-ass scene. I hope we see more of that in #495.

CaptainCanada

01-15-2008, 01:55 PM

Brubaker has always done a good job writing Iron Man as a sympathetic character in Captain America, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he won't make this another of those times where writers drag Tony into their book just to give him a beatdown and show how kewl the main character is (like hack-in-chief JMS).

The art is beautiful.

streator

01-15-2008, 01:56 PM

i wasn't expecting to see iron man here.

this looks okay. i like that scott is still sporting his nxm jacket.

GeneralSpecific

01-15-2008, 01:59 PM

Probably not gonna happen though. :( If I remember correctly, the SF location was a foiler and they're actually going to the Savage Land.

Boo!
The Savage Land has never excited me :(

claimtosubclaim

01-15-2008, 02:05 PM

CaptainCanada

01-15-2008, 02:12 PM

If you're referring to Thor #3, Tony had it coming, and there's no chance in hell he could've beaten Thor anyway.
Not just Thor, but Amazing Spider-Man and Fantastic Four. He writes Tony as a one-dimensional moustache-twirling villain; for the proper way Thor #3 should have been handled, see Nova #2-3, which doesn't make Tony look like a moron.

Keith_Martineau

01-15-2008, 02:18 PM

Not just Thor, but Amazing Spider-Man and Fantastic Four. He writes Tony as a one-dimensional moustache-twirling villain; for the proper way Thor #3 should have been handled, see Nova #2-3, which doesn't make Tony look like a moron.

He's never written Tony as a moustache twirling one dimensional villain. That is as absurd a statement as I've ever heard.

CaptainCanada

01-15-2008, 02:23 PM

He's never written Tony as a moustache twirling one dimensional villain. That is as absurd a statement as I've ever heard.
You're actuall going to defend JMS' characterization of Tony Stark? At absolutely every turn, no matter what, he goes the extra mile to make him look evil. He did it during Civil War, in both FF and ASM, and in FF he also wrote Mister Fantastic as a pro-McCarthyite, again just to make pro-Reg look utterly evil. He had Iron Man imprisoning people permanently, when it was temporary elsewhere, war-profiteering, starting fights with Spider-Man, acting like a complete moron in his handling of Thor's return, and just generally denigrates him every chance he gets. He writes his as a one-dimensional thug; if you're going to write Tony as a villain, at least respect his intelligence and make him a good villain; but he doesn't even do that, which only made Spider-Man look like a complete fool for ever listening to him.

claimtosubclaim

01-15-2008, 02:28 PM

Not just Thor, but Amazing Spider-Man and Fantastic Four. He writes Tony as a one-dimensional moustache-twirling villain; for the proper way Thor #3 should have been handled, see Nova #2-3, which doesn't make Tony look like a moron.

He was well-written in The Road To Civil War. Same applies to Thor #3. I can't account for Fantastic Four though, as I don't read it.

Brent1974

01-15-2008, 02:28 PM

Just noticed this thread heh. So I will post here what I posted there :)

The artwork is fantastic, from the looks of the previews Emma might be getting very tired of being there for Scott, for anything he needs, and yet she still plays second fiddle to Jeans memory. Mind you, I loved the Jean/Scott relationship, and she will return one day. But right now Emma is in the picture like it or not.

CMBMOOL

01-15-2008, 02:42 PM

it looks like ironman is doing to wish that his visor was down. next panel ironman says "not in the face"

seriously though i hope that scott doesnt sell the x-kids to the initive

Well the X-men did kicked out many of their former depowered mutant allies after M-Day. :(

CMBMOOL

01-15-2008, 02:42 PM

I would love for the next page to be Scott blasting Stark out of the air.

Same here fellow poster, same here. :D

CmX

01-15-2008, 02:44 PM

I love Emma Frost, I can't wait!

chicagokmc

01-15-2008, 03:13 PM

You're actuall going to defend JMS' characterization of Tony Stark? At absolutely every turn, no matter what, he goes the extra mile to make him look evil. He did it during Civil War, in both FF and ASM, and in FF he also wrote Mister Fantastic as a pro-McCarthyite, again just to make pro-Reg look utterly evil. He had Iron Man imprisoning people permanently, when it was temporary elsewhere, war-profiteering, starting fights with Spider-Man, acting like a complete moron in his handling of Thor's return, and just generally denigrates him every chance he gets. He writes his as a one-dimensional thug; if you're going to write Tony as a villain, at least respect his intelligence and make him a good villain; but he doesn't even do that, which only made Spider-Man look like a complete fool for ever listening to him.

well-said. knauff and brubaker do a much better job of writing iron man. jms and even bendis just dont seem to get him.

Brent1974

01-15-2008, 04:09 PM

I cannot wait for 'Divided we Stand' it looks like it is going to be great :)

Also I think these two should be merged ;)

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=205634

Brian M.

01-15-2008, 04:31 PM

Looks good. Choi has nice art.

Emma's a bitch.

Brett P

01-15-2008, 04:33 PM

Looks good, love Choi's art. The panel of Jean with that look on her face made me feel sad!

Ann Nichols

01-15-2008, 06:58 PM

I would love for the next page to be Scott blasting Stark out of the air.

So would I!

If you're referring to Thor #3, Tony had it coming, and there's no chance in hell he could've beaten Thor anyway.

Stark certainly did! I wish that "What If" that gave a horrible outcome if Tony had lost the Civil War had had a short backup story with "What If Iron Man Had Involved the Other Superheroes in General Early On And They Got Together With Congress to Draft a More Reasonable Version of the SRA?" as its plot.

I've been calling Iron Man "Iron Twit" ever since that "New Avengers: Illuminati" One-Shot. Tony's brilliant? Please! He didn't even demonstrate the ability to reason his way out of a paper bag in that issue. (Not that the other members did any better. Namor and Black Bolt have a good excuse, but how did the Americans there not think of the fact that the act, as explained by Tony, violated the 13th Amendment to the Constitution??? I could understand it if they needed to look up which amendment, but they should have remembered that slavery isn't legal in the USA. Besides, if they'd looked up that amendment, they'd have known that involuntary servitude, except as explained below, isn't legal either.)

"1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am13

Well the X-men did kicked out many of their former depowered mutant allies after M-Day.

I blame Emma for that.

Brent1974

01-15-2008, 07:01 PM

I blame Emma for that.

Yeah I just got those issue, that was all Emma's doing totally.....

claimtosubclaim

01-15-2008, 07:02 PM

I blame Emma for that.

I miss Dani. An appearance in The Initiative isn't satisfying at all. I know that Mike Carey loves her, but he has an admiration for so many other characters as well that I don't think she'll make the cut. Still, we've already seen that depowered mutants and non-mutants on mutant teams can work (Rictor, Prodigy, Omega Sentinel), so... we'll see?

Brent1974

01-15-2008, 07:03 PM

I miss Dani. An appearance in The Initiative isn't satisfying at all. I know that Mike Carey loves her, but he has an admiration for so many other characters as well that I don't think she'll make the cut. Still, we've already seen that depowered mutants and non-mutants on mutant teams can work (Rictor, Prodigy, Omega Sentinel), so... we'll see?

What issue did Dani appear in??

claimtosubclaim

01-15-2008, 07:07 PM

What issue did Dani appear in??

Issue 5. She was to be Trauma's instructor/mentor. But she was fired by Henry Gyrich for teaching Trauma "liberal, anti-militaristic beliefs". I bet he just fired her cause he hates mutants though.

Brent1974

01-15-2008, 07:11 PM

Issue 5. She was to be Trauma's instructor/mentor. But she was fired by Henry Gyrich for teaching Trauma "liberal, anti-militaristic beliefs". I bet he just fired her cause he hates mutants though.

Sounds good, I'll have to get that issue of Avengers The Initiative then heh :)

MarvelGirlBoy

01-15-2008, 07:13 PM

dellicious

01-15-2008, 07:15 PM

Looks rather cool. It'll be interesting to see how Brubaker writes Emma - he's not had much opportunity so far. And he's managed to turn Cyclops simultaneously into a kick-ass character, and a bit of a single-minded jerk, so it could be bad for the ambiguous Ms. Frost.

Still, I hope Cyclops gets some grilled Stark.

we've seen brubaker's emma in deadly genesis and plenty during messiah complex

enough with this bitch! she doesn't have to be in every title

give me more storm! she's just been used as wallpaper so that they can highlight emma's assets (lack there of)

MarvelGirlBoy

01-15-2008, 07:19 PM

we've seen brubaker's emma in deadly genesis and plenty during messiah complex

Ah, my bad, I forgot about Deadly Genesis - I've never picked that trade up.

We've seen her in Messiah Complex at the beginning but she hasn't had a starring role, and she got Sentinel-fried for a while. I meant more, see how Brubaker explores her character, rather than just writes her in the story.

Omega Alpha

01-15-2008, 07:25 PM

Why are people thinking Scott will agree with Iron Man about whatever he wants? Didn't Brubaker said months ago he wrote a scene on the first post-MC issue when Scott basically tells Tony to f*ck off, or something similar?

well-said. knauff and brubaker do a much better job of writing iron man. jms and even bendis just dont seem to get him.

For the Bendis statement, I assume you haven't read Civil War: The Confession.

As for JMS, his Tony makes Stalin look like a nice fellow.

claimtosubclaim

01-15-2008, 07:33 PM

Le Drake

01-15-2008, 07:42 PM

I actually enjoy Emma Frost in the X-Books quite more than I imagined I would. I would love to see more of the Frost/Summers relationship if they use Whedon's angle for it. By the end of AXM, Emma seems to be more as the, could I say submissive, in their relationship than in other books. I'm not into the idea of her controlling too much Scott, frankly it seems to take something off him as a character. I can bare with them sticking together in the years to come.

Choi is a Golden God.

Yoel

01-15-2008, 08:43 PM

Not a big fan of the art. Looks too glossy and clean for me. I like my X-Men to have a bit of grit to them.
But regardless, i'm looking forward to the aftermath of Messiah Complex.

Will.S

01-15-2008, 08:53 PM

Not a big fan of the art. Looks too glossy and clean for me. I like my X-Men to have a bit of grit to them.
But regardless, i'm looking forward to the aftermath of Messiah Complex.
Yeah it's almost too perfectly clean.

Still it's definitely not bad looking and I'm looking forward to Ed's stuff.

ClanAskani

01-15-2008, 09:20 PM

The characters are a little too "pretty", but I'll take pretty over the way Billy Tan was drawing them. Emma looks way too young.

It's nice to see Corsair.

I'm not looking forward to more Scott and Emma. Looks like there might be some tension between them, although I doubt they are breaking up.

jarrod

01-16-2008, 09:38 AM

More Kurt+Pete+Logan plz! Mommy & Daddy are well past boring.

I'm still thinking Tony's plan is along the lines of government X-Men and that may be the impetus for Scott disbanding.

Beast

01-16-2008, 09:43 AM

More Kurt+Pete+Logan plz! Mommy & Daddy are well past boring.

I'm still thinking Tony's plan is along the lines of government X-Men and that may be the impetus for Scott disbanding.
No, the solicits make it sound like something during Messiah Complex causes that.

jarrod

01-16-2008, 09:51 AM

No, the solicits make it sound like something during Messiah Complex causes that.
Well, I'm guessing all the defections and deaths sort of put things in dissarray (wouldn't be the first time)... but Tony's "offer" might be what keeps things officially disbanded.

RoguishGurl

01-16-2008, 10:40 PM

I must say I love this art. Jean and Emma look very nice. And I love Choi's detail so much!

and I finally got around to making avatars!

ClanAskani

01-16-2008, 10:45 PM

Well, I'm guessing all the defections and deaths sort of put things in dissarray (wouldn't be the first time)... but Tony's "offer" might be what keeps things officially disbanded.

If the X are disbanded and scattered, then Scott can’t speak for all of them? But if Tony's plan involves government control/supervision of the X-Men, that would keep them disbanded and unground.

I wonder if the baby will come into play here. Even if Bishop does chase after Cable, he could have told ONE about the danger posed by the baby. Already it’s caused tremendous damages in Alaska, so the government is likely to want to take the baby into protective custody both to protect it and protect the public from it. If Bishop wanted to make sure there was a backup plan in case he failed, that could be it.

Daithi

01-17-2008, 01:49 AM

I wonder if the baby will come into play here. Even if Bishop does chase after Cable, he could have told ONE about the danger posed by the baby. Already it’s caused tremendous damages in Alaska, so the government is likely to want to take the baby into protective custody both to protect it and protect the public from it.

And Cyclops gives up the baby to someone who takes it to the future? :o