Mutant League 01/14/2008 PM Game 2: pryde15 & Lex vs. lockerogue

[mattbib]

Greeting fight fans! Welcome to the second fight of the day!

As this is only our second match, a few words on voting:

Participants and spectators may vote in each match. All voters should use the poll included in each match thread, and vote solely on a team's strategy and defense. The voting polls will remain open for 24-hours. NOTE: To prevent unfair ballot-stuffing, only votes from posters with 50 or more posts will be counted. Additionally, votes from posters with matching IP addresses will be disqualified.

Participants may question each other's strategies and offer retorts during a match so long as they stay civil. Spectators may also question the participants. However explanations may not contradict or embellish the posted strategy. Voting should not be based on any potential that characters possess or on any other moves that a voter might want to interject on their own. All voters should feel free to comment on why they've voted for a specific team.

To maintain fairness across the board, teams with two or more participants will only be allowed one vote in any match. If more than one member of a team votes in a match, only the first vote from that team will be counted.

Additionally, while encouraging friends or family to vote in the tournament is allowed, encouraging others to vote specifically for you is against the rules and is grounds for disqualification. Friends and family are expected to read both strategies and make a decision based on what is presented; not based on allegiance to a particular participant. All voting should be done without bias.
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And now on to our fight...

In the first corner we have pryde15 & Lex's Mutant Team of Awesome Devastation:
Omega Sentinel, Mindee Cuckoo, Skids, Asylum, Wallflower, Litterbug, Strong Guy

vs

In the other corner is lockerogue's Briony and the Betches:
Rogue, Banshee, Magma, Warpath, Wolfsbane, Cat (Exiles), Elixir

Both participants have submitted strategies:

Please do not post or vote until both strategies have been posted and read.

[mattbib]

Round 1

- Wallflower quickly spreads a pheromone around our team that makes them fearless.

- Asylum teleports both teams into the Darkforce Dimension. Here lockerogue’s team will be confronted by their worst fears. This will serve as a distraction.

- Omega Sentinel takes to the sky and goes after Banshee. She uses her Sentinel tech to close off her ear canals so his scream won’t bother her. Then she blasts him with her energy weapon s. (As an alternative, she could also knock him out with her strength in case her energy blasts are countered.)

- Mindee uses her mental powers to take over Rogue’s mind. Then she uses Rogue to attack Elixer with blasts of fire. He can more than likely heal himself from this, but it will keep him even more distracted so he won’t be able to help his team.

- Skids hops on Litterbug’s back and extends her force field around both of their bodies. She uses her force field’s “skating” ability so she and Litterbug can stake over to Magma and attack. If Magma has transformed into magma, then Skids’ force field should protect them from her heat and fire. This gives
Litterbug the ability to safely attack Magma with his strength and claws. She’s still solid in her fiery form, so Litterbug’s attacks will hurt her.

- Strong Guy runs over to pummel Warpath. I think Strong Guy is stronger than Warpath, but even if he isn’t Warpath’s blows would only make him stronger. Advantage: Strong Guy.

- For this Round, Asylum guards Mindee from any attacks that might come her way. He’ll use his Darkforce energy to blast anyone who comes near her.

Round 2

- Mindee quickly leaves Rogue’s mind and unleashes a massive telepathic blast on Elixer, who shouldn’t be able to protect himself.

- Omega Sentinel turns her attention to Rogue and, making sure to stay high in the air, blasts her with some energy weapons. Without her old Ms. Marvel powers, Rogue is defenseless to this attack.

- And if Omega Sentinel isn’t enough to knock out Rogue, then Skids and Litterbug will stake over and take her out.

- Wallflower sends a cloud of sleep pheromones at Wolfsbane that should put her to bed.

This should take care of all of lockerogue’s team except for Cat.

Round 3

- Mindee reaches out to Cat (wh o’s probably intangible by now) and uses her telepathy to increase the fear Cat has been feeling since from the Darkforce Dimension. Mindee makes that fear so powerful that Cat eventually passes out.

End.

[mattbib]

Soundtrack: "Heart of Sword" from the anime Rurouni Kenshin

My betchin team drops from the skies ready to battle. Rogue gives them a pep talk before spreading out. Telling them to go at it full force and make the other team their slaves.

They jump into battle going separate ways to attack the other team.

Magma see's Mindee and starts throwing magma blast at Mindee to distract her from using her telepathy. Magma tries to take control of Magma. But can't because she is trying to dodge the magma blast. Magma decides to end this and creates a mini volcano under Mindee's feet. Killing Mindee in the process of erupting.

Elixir and Wallflower decide to walk through the Outback and enjoy its scenary. They catch up with each and share stories about what each have done since Laurie's death. Laurie tells Josh what its like in heaven and how she met Doug Ramsey. Josh tells Laurie all about what happened at the mansion etc. Elixir decides it is time for this to be over. He engages Laurie in a passionate kiss. But the kiss is a trap as Elixir starts to turn black. Laurie starts freaking out but Josh continues with the kiss until Laurie stops struggling and dies. Elixir tells her dead corpse that he loves her. But he cannot let his team down and goes back into the battle.

Warpath is steadily dodging against Omega Sentinels arsenal. He can't seem to close enough to her. He's tried throwing rocks at her but she shoots them dust. He's like a sitting duck. Until glorious Magma shows up and sends a magma blast OS' way from behind. Warpath then leaps into the air and takes his vibranium knife and stabs Karima in the chest trying to short circuit her. Tt doesn't cause her to short circuit but instead pain. Karima then goes fully sentinel psycho bitch with all of her weapons. She shoots at James with an energy power blast. He jumps out of the way in time and tells Magma to distract to Karima. Magma starts throwing everything she can at Omega Sentinel. While having Magma cause a distraction Warpath comes up. Cat is just standing there watching. Warpath grabs Cat and sends her flying into Karima. Cat phases right through Karima disrupting Karima's body system knocking out Karima. Kitty then calls the geek squad who will be on there way in 3 days top. Or else repair service is free

Rogue uses everything in her arsenal to harm Litterbug. She figures out that he has some sort of weakness to fire and traps him in a ring of fire he starts digging underground but Rogue follows him and and uses Sunfire powers against him harming. Rogue finally starts to weaken then goes in for the kill and turns up the heat into one powerful blast.

Wolfsbane so far has only given a scratch towards Skids. As she cannot break through skids forcefield. Wolfsbane see's if she can send Skids on a guilt trip. So she yells out. "Sally where's Rusty. Wait I forgot you let him die". Skids get angry and charges at Wolfsbane still in her field.

Banshee and Asylum go at. Banshee uses his scream against Asylum with some effect. Partially deafening Asylum. Asylum decides its time to end this and gets ready to teleport Sean into a dimension to show Sean his greatest fear. Banshee flies towards Skids and Wolfsbane direction. Banshee uses his scream against Skids whose shield drops. Wolfsbane does a super wolf kick and kicks Skids into Asylum. Which teleports them into the Darkforce Dimension. Within in 10 minutes Asylum teleports back with a woman who looks like Qwerty only the woman turns out to Skids. While Asylum is holding Skids. Cat jumps on Asylums back and phases him into the ground. Rogue flies over taking off her glove and touches Asylums face. Absorbing all of his memories and powers.

Now there's only Strong Guy left. So the team all attack Strong Guy at once.
Banshee uses his sonic scream on Strong Guy. Wolfsbane attacks Strong Guy from behind. Leaving Rogue to focus her flame powers inward to give her superstrength (Not at Ms. Marvel levels) to knock Strong Guy away from the battle.

The team then puts on a Dazzler CD and have a gigantic party.

[pryde15]

question, Lex told me that we switched Darwin for Strong Guy, so why is Darwin in both the poll and in Lockerogue's strategy?

[Brian M.]

Couple things:

pryde15/Lex: I thought you weren't allowed to leave the battlefield? So teleporting the another dimension would be no go right? So any kind of benefit your team got from that would be null and void? Plus teleporting Banshee would be outta the question too right?

lockerogue:

Would Magma really kill? It doesn't seem to be in her character.

Also isn't Rogue immune to telepathy? Atleast immune enough to avoid mind control? So Mindee taking over Rogue would be outta the question right?

[lockerogue]

I was getting ready to ask that.

[Pach!]

I have exactly that problem with both strats. Leaving the battlefield and Magma and Elixir killing.

[Diablito]

Magma see's Mindee and starts throwing magma blast at Mindee to distract her from using her telepathy. Magma tries to take control of Magma. But can't because she is trying to dodge the magma blast. Magma decides to end this and creates a mini volcano under Mindee's feet. Killing Mindee in the process of erupting.

Magma takes control of Magma?

[Brian M.]

Magma takes control of Magma?

I think it's suppose to read "Mindee takes control of Magma"...I think. That's how I read it.

[Diablito]

I have exactly that problem with both strats. Leaving the battlefield and Magma and Elixir killing.

I see a problem with Magma killing, but not Elixir. He's done a lot of that lately.

[pryde15]

Couple things:

pryde15/Lex: I thought you weren't allowed to leave the battlefield? So teleporting the another dimension would be no go right? So any kind of benefit your team got from that would be null and void? Plus teleporting Banshee would be outta the question too right?

Yes its true we aren't allowed to leave the battlefield, unless, it's to utilize a characters powers, which is exactly what we were doing with Asylum.

[pryde15]

I see a problem with Magma killing, but not Elixir. He's done a lot of that lately.

But would he kill Laurie, the girl he has killed for?

[lockerogue]

Yes its true we aren't allowed to leave the battlefield, unless, it's to utilize a characters powers, which is exactly what we were doing with Asylum.

So uh.... Strong Guy. When did he come into the mix:confused:

[Pach!]

I see a problem with Magma killing, but not Elixir. He's done a lot of that lately.

He killed Demons and Stryker, who killed Laurie. He wouldn't kill anyone and specially not Laurie.

[Siddon]

Magma has killed before, she was the main person who killed Mr. M. I think Aslyemm keeps her safe though.

[pryde15]

So uh.... Strong Guy. When did he come into the mix:confused:

Lex traded Darwin for Strong Guy during the trade period.

[mattbib]

Magma takes control of Magma?I just cut and paste...lol.

[mattbib]

Lex traded Darwin for Strong Guy during the trade period.I never received this trade request. You'll notice that it's not reflected on the website, any of the rosters listed in the Mutant League, Draft, or Trash-Talking threads, nor did I confirm the trade in the Draft thread with all the ones I had received.

[pryde15]

Also isn't Rogue immune to telepathy? Atleast immune enough to avoid mind control? So Mindee taking over Rogue would be outta the question right?

I didn't know/remember that about Rogue so I will have to check that out and get back to you, but if you are correct about that, then yes you are right Mindee's mind control would not work. But that does not mean Omega Sentinel's attacks wouldnt.

[pryde15]

I never received this trade request. You'll notice that it's not reflected on the website, any of the rosters listed in the Mutant League, Draft, or Trash-Talking threads, nor did I confirm the trade in the Draft thread with all the ones I had received.

Seriously? Oh crap. I thought we still had Darwin last night, but he told me that he had traded.

[Pach!]

Magma has killed before, she was the main person who killed Mr. M. I think Aslyemm keeps her safe though.

I'm not sure but wasn't she controlled by Johnny D when she killed Mr. M?

[Brian M.]

Battles are scheduled and each team will fight approximately once a week. Teams will be battling until the opposing team cannot continue. Team members will be assumed to be fighting in character. For example, Sabretooth can be written using lethal force, but Leech would not be. The battles will take place in a barren battlefield, unless an alternate location is announced, and teams are allowed to carry into the battle whatever equipment they normally have with them. They begin the battle 100 meters away from and in clear sight of the opposing team. Players cannot leave the battlefield unless to do so is necessary to utilize a character's powers (i.e. Nightcrawler, Lila Cheney, etc.). Beyond that use your imagination.

I thought that was said b/c Nightcrawler and Lila Cheney both travel through different places in order to teleport. I didn't think you could teleport other players away from the field? Like you couldn't use Crawler to teleport someone 3 miles away and then back.

[Lex]

So uh.... Strong Guy. When did he come into the mix:confused:
We traded for him a couple days ago. Didn't Matt update our roster?

[mattbib]

Seriously? Oh crap. I thought we still had Darwin last night, but he told me that he had traded.Voters may take the confusion into account, but should not mentally (consciously or otherwise) replace Darwin with Strong Guy.

The reason I say this is that while their powers are different, there are some similarities, so voters may take that into consideration rather than just making a blanket judgment.

[pryde15]

I thought that was said b/c Nightcrawler and Lila Cheney both travel through different places in order to teleport. I didn't think you could teleport other players away from the field? Like you couldn't use Crawler to teleport someone 3 miles away and then back.

well Asylum power is to teleport to the darkforce dimension, and it doesn't say anything about other characters in the paragraph.

It just says

Players cannot leave the battlefield unless to do so is necessary to utilize a character's powers (i.e. Nightcrawler, Lila Cheney, etc.). Beyond that use your imagination.

EDIT. I just noticed something in the other Mutant League Match, where Fury said that Cloak teleported Mindblast away (opposing team). So I guess we might be able to teleport other members of the fight along with the character in question.

[pryde15]

Voters may take the confusion into account, but should not mentally (consciously or otherwise) replace Darwin with Strong Guy.

The reason I say this is that while their powers are different, there are some similarities, so voters may take that into consideration rather than just making a blanket judgment.

ok cool.

We traded for him a couple days ago. Didn't Matt update our roster?

No. apparently you didn't tell him about the trade :(

[Diablito]

Sooooo.... we have to replace Strong Guy with Darwin? Doesn't that change part pf the game strategy (Darwin does not absorb kinetic energy, possibly changing the whole match).

[pryde15]

Sooooo.... we have to replace Strong Guy with Darwin? Doesn't that change part pf the game strategy (Darwin does not absorb kinetic energy, possibly changing the whole match).

yep. but he can adapt :(

[mattbib]

I thought that was said b/c Nightcrawler and Lila Cheney both travel through different places in order to teleport. I didn't think you could teleport other players away from the field? Like you couldn't use Crawler to teleport someone 3 miles away and then back.I purposely removed the line about teleporting others away and stuff, but left the part that says "While there is a great deal of liberty how the match will play out, unfair and out-of-character tactics are not allowed."

So, if you find a move unfair or out-of-character, then count that as a strike when you vote.

No. apparently you didn't tell him about the trade :(It's entirely possible that it's not his fault (could be a glitch, or my mistake somehow), but that's exactly why I was posting confirmations. Hopefully it won't account for that big a difference in the vote.

[pryde15]

I purposely removed the line about teleporting others away and stuff, but left the part that says "While there is a great deal of liberty how the match will play out, unfair and out-of-character tactics are not allowed."

So, if you find a move unfair or out-of-character, then count that as a strike when you vote.

It's entirely possible that it's not his fault (could be a glitch, or my mistake somehow), but that's exactly why I was posting confirmations. Hopefully it won't account for that big a difference in the vote.

So that means that Asylum taking the fight to the Dark Dimension is ok? Since it is in-character?

and ok, I'm hoping it won't, since the whole tactic to Guido beating Warpath was through kinetic energy absorption, and Darwin can adapt so he should be fine against Warpath.

[mattbib]

So that means that Asylum taking the fight to the Dark Dimension is ok? Since it is in-character?
That'd be a judgment call each of your voters would need to make.

[Lex]

I never received this trade request. You'll notice that it's not reflected on the website, any of the rosters listed in the Mutant League, Draft, or Trash-Talking threads, nor did I confirm the trade in the Draft thread with all the ones I had received.
Here. (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=6131169&postcount=425) You acknowledged the trade, but didn't update any of the rosters or website.

[mattbib]

See, told you it could be my fault. Why would I acknowledge it in that thread? Weird.

So...how to fairly handle this since it's not lockerogue's fault either.

lockerogue can send me revisions for solely those parts that need to change, but he's already at an advantage having read your entire strategy. But if that's acceptable to you guys, and I'll update the rosters and website, hopefully it will be a quick fix.

[Lex]

No worries, Matt. I'm okay with lockerogue changing that bit for fairness' sake.

[Beast]

I'm not sure but wasn't she controlled by Johnny D when she killed Mr. M?
Yes, Johnny Dee controlled her to kill. So I would say that's out of the question.

[lockerogue]

Ok I'll pm the revisions.

[Hi-Fi]

Magma would totally kill. She's a bitch when pissed off.

[Lex]

Magma would totally kill. She's a bitch when pissed off.
Taking a life is a pretty big step from being pissed off.

[Hi-Fi]

Taking a life is a pretty big step from being pissed off.
But she killed before. She has the same temper Rachel has.

[mattbib]

All fixed, except the poll, but Cronin will have to fix that...sorry again!

[Lex]

But she killed before. She has the same temper Rachel has.
But I don't think killing once suddenly makes her a serial killer. I haven't read recent X-Men comics. Has Magma suddenly gotten the morals of Sabertooth? I just don't see her being so willing to take a life like that.

[Sheldon]

As discussed some of Lockerogue's characters are out of character but the Rahne's shout out to Skids about Rusty is awesome. Still I don't think it will be easy easy for them to pull off what they are listed as doing.

About MTAD - Mindee can't control Rogue, Warpath can easily overload Strong Guy.

I'm not entirely sold on either team....ugh.

[Fatguy]

To be honest, this one was kinda weird and hard to vote for...

BUT! I voted Pryde15 and Lex, because if nothing else, I *loved* the Skids piggy backing Litterbug strategy! lol

[MarvelGirlBoy]

Well, that was confusing, but none of the players' faults really and pryde has been defending her team admirably.

I don't think Mindee can control Rogue, but I don't think Magma could kill Mindee so easily with Asylum protecting her, which I thought was a good defensive play. Strong Guy would defeat Warpath, for me, based on their demonstration of power in WWH:X-Men. I really liked the use of Cat to disrupt Omega Sentinel's circuits, and that does take out a major player relatively early on. But I totally don't buy the Elixir/Wallflower scene playing out like that. Wallflower isn't an aggressive fighter, but she's not just going to walk off holding hands with her opponent like that or, at least, I don't think having got her back and chatting to him, Elixir could then kill her again. The strike for teleporting EVERYONE to the Dark Dimension factors in too. Complicated.

I dunno yet. Still deciding.

[DeniseXfrost]

Wow this is confusing.....

[Brett P]

Pryde and Lex get my vote.

Elixir has made it very clear that he never wants to kill again. Killing the girl who's responsible for him wanting to be better than that? After she's returned from the dead? Never.

I don't see Magma killing a teenage girl either.

[The Lucky One]

But she killed before. She has the same temper Rachel has.

True, but she doesn't kill wantonly... when she was with the New Hellions, she abandoned them to help X-Force save lives. She'll generally only kill someone she truly hates, like Selene or the Marauders.

-D

[Lex]

A couple of points:

1.) lockerogue makes a lot of assumptions about how our team acts. In the past League's I've been in, you're not supposed to write your opponents actions for them. Things like having Mindee try to mind control Magma (which she doesn't in our strat) and having Wallflower hang out with
Elixer stretches the bounds a bit.

2.) I forgot about the teleportation rules. But even if we take out the teleportation part, I think our team outmatches lockerogue's team.

3.) Rogue can't be mind controlled? I guess that shows my lack of knowledge about her (the last time I payed attention to her she had Ms. Marvel's powers). But our use of mind control is only ment to keep Elixer distracted, and he's too busy hitting on Wallflower in lockerogue's strat to be a threat at the beginning. :)

[frog]

Voting in this is a lot harder than I thought it was going to be.

My biggest problem with the strategies is that I really don't believe Mindee could control Rogue - Rogue has much more experience and I suspect her past problems with personalities she's absorbed makes it harder for her to be directed by an outside mind.

[Siddon]

Can't really break this match down round to round because Lockerogue doesn't lay out a layered plan. So with each move I have to look at each elimination and see if it would work.

I think most moves wouldn't work, I don't think Warpath works well against Omega Sentinal, I don't think Magma could attack a defenseless Mindee, I don't think you could have a character moment with Josh and Laurie on the field of play like that. In the end, even though I don't think you can teleport both teams to a dark force dimension or that Mindee could take out Rogue, Pryde and Lex have enough of a back up plan and layout I can forgive the faults of the match. Also the fact that there are no other telepaths on Lockerrouge's team I am swayed towards pryde.

[Mitsaso]

Both strats have some very interesting ideas, and some important flaws as well.
I'm willing to overlook the whole "porting in the Darkforce Dimension" thing because they all return from it promptly and it's not done in a "just leave them there and dont deal with them" way.

I don't believe Magma would just kill the Cuckoo girl, and Elixir would never kill Laurie (and she wouldn't fall in his trap; she wouldn't go for a walk with her ex in the middle of battle), why not just write that he takes her by surprise and smacks her around till she faints? More pimping and plausible that way.

The Strong Guy/Darwin thing makes no difference to me, they're both some kind of adaptive brawlers, in a way.

Though I liked lockerogue's narrative, story-telling touches, I'm leaning a little bit more towards the other team. But I dunno! I'll consult with Novaya first.

Nice match, guys!;)

[Jessica Drew]

Both strategies seem to call for tactics that aren't traditionally allowable in past league and have ideas not completely developed. I did like a few distinct moments from both (tossing Cat into Omega Sentinel; Skids riding atop Litterbug, etc.), but I haven't found any one aspect of either that would truly seem to top the other...so...I'm giving this one to pryde15 & Lex because lockerogue has TWO people kill out of character.

[The Lucky One]

3.) Rogue can't be mind controlled? I guess that shows my lack of knowledge about her (the last time I payed attention to her she had Ms. Marvel's powers).

Ironically, it was Ms. Marvel's personality that made Rogue's mind impenetrable to telepathy, due to the psychic feedback of two personalities overlayering each other. I don't remember if they ever addressed whether Rogue kept the psi-invulnerability after the Siege Perilous removed Carol's mind from her, but it's safe to assume that after she permanently absorbed Sunfire's mind, she probably regained the same immunity. To say nothing of the 8 million minds she currently has inside her head, which is some real psi-impenetrability. ;)

-D

[MarvelGirlBoy]

I voted pryde and Lex in the end. It seems like a little more thought and a little less assumption was put into the strategy. As much as I like Cat taking out Omega Sentinel, the fact remains that the Elixir thing just came off rather badly. And Mindee was explicitly protected by Asylum.

[Novaya Havoc]

For this round, Mitsaso and I had an IM back-n-forth on who to vote for.

ENJOY!!!


Novaya: Okay, so last round we voted for Nyssane over Fury, mits.
Novaya: What do we think about these two compadres?
mitsaso: they all got in some really cool moves and some big misfires
Novaya: One, I think the darkforce should be off-limits. That's like having Amelia teleport our team into Dazzler's disco.
mitsaso: yeah but, if they're not leaving them team there, it's not exactly a cop-out
Novaya: BUT!!! I know that n00bs have this problem.
Novaya: Remember when poor Mariah had Lila Cheney (ugh, Hi-Fi. You jerk.) teleport her team last year? And then the voting mob descended upon her like papparazzi on BritBrit? I so have sympathy.
mitsaso: I hope Mariah's okay, wherever she is
Novaya: For real. But back to MUTANT LEAGUE!
Novaya: Can Skids do what they did?
Novaya: I just remember her from X-Factor with funky hats.
mitsaso: I think she can
mitsaso: it's also my favorite move in the battle
Novaya: It is creative, for shure.
mitsaso: we applaude creative
Novaya: I also agree that Strong Guy > Warpath.
Novaya: THOUGHTS?!
mitsaso: More importantly, Rogue can't get mind-controlled
mitsaso: And Elixir can't fool Laurie, never mind KILLING her
Novaya: I agree. And moving so soon against Elixir.
Novaya: Elixir can't do much. Nyssane and I know from last years DRAFTMISTAKE.
mitsaso: Elixir can GO GO DANCE
mitsaso: and have ghey sechz with Hellion
mitsaso: not much else
mitsaso: and the Magma lava killer rampage thing was too bloody, even for my tastes
Novaya: I dunno. Just, pryde and lex's strat is so SHORT.
Novaya: I mean, I don't need a novella-ella-ella-ay-ay-ay
mitsaso: I like short. It's refreshing
Novaya: Ugh, why do you hate me?
Novaya: Well, is Mindee that powerful alone?
mitsaso: she WAS shown fooling Sabretooth and Exodus
mitsaso: little bitch
mitsaso: but that was Austen
Novaya: Ew.
Novaya: Didn't Austen also try to say that Havok's headgear represents how Havvie is the nexus point of all alternate realities?
Novaya: -1
mitsaso: -1,000
Novaya: Next he'll say that Dazzler's mirrored rollerskates can see into people's souls. Ugh, Austen.
mitsaso: I liked lockerogue's attempt to sell the strat as a little story
mitsaso: it was nice
Novaya: It reminds us of the good old days, ja?
Novaya: And s/he even put in a soundtrack.
Novaya: Lockerogue SO wants our vote.
Novaya: S/he's sucking up to you.
Novaya: I wanna say s/he's a she, but never underestimate the gayness of a gayman poster.
mitsaso: well, I dunno who I'm leaning towards more to
mitsaso: lex and pryde’s strategy didn’t make me dizzy like serious strategies tend to do
mitsaso: I think lex and pryde are a little more well-rounded
Novaya: ARE YOU MOCKING OUR HIGHLY-TECHNICAL SUPER-STRATEGY?!
mitsaso: Well, I never! lol
Novaya: Race-traitor! Next you'll agree with yo bitchass cousin and say Lila > Dazzler.
Novaya: I DISOWN you as a teammate.
mitsaso: hey, didn't Dazzler WORK for Lila once?
mitsaso: like, was her SUBORDINATE?
Novaya: Uh, that was under Chris Claremont, who is worse than Chuck Austen.
Novaya: Lame explination for Havok's crappy headgear > Dazzler working under Lila.
Novaya: And by working under, we know it's a CC double-entendre.
mitsaso: ugh
mitsaso: spare me the vagina-worship
Novaya: Anyway, onto lockerogue's strategy!
Novaya: Lockerogue's strat is cute, but Elixir would NOT KILL LAURIE!
Novaya: Not AGAIN! Not after lex and pryde RESURRECTED her.
mitsaso: I know!
Novaya: Cat phasing through my precious Omega Malice IS smart though.
Novaya: Give lockey that.
mitsaso: indeed
mitsaso: I also liked Rahne's bitchy line at Skids. CLASSY!
mitsaso: But the whole "going for a walk in the midst of battle" with Laurie and Elixir also didnt click for me
Novaya: Ok, now who the eff is Litterbug?
Novaya: And why is Rogue going against this person I DO NOT KNOW?
mitsaso: Litterbug = big roach person with Masque's Morlocks in Bru's last story before MC
Novaya: what does this ho do?
mitsaso: ummm
mitsaso: he's a big roach
mitsaso: exoskeleton thing
mitsaso: with claws and BIG, POINTY TEETH!
mitsaso: can also dig his way around
Novaya: So WHY is Rogue taking this joker on again?
Novaya: Maybe she's still in a coma?
Novaya: Explain this to me slowly.
mitsaso: cuz she hates roaches?
Novaya: Hmm... she is from the south.
mitsaso: also, it's fun to watch roaches burn
Novaya: Roaches are evil.
Novaya: I just don't know.
mitsaso: ...at least, that's what I was told
Novaya: Lockerogue goes for Magma super-kill.
Novaya: And the only move I really like is Cat v. OmegaMalice
mitsaso: Rogue also kills, but she's batshit crazy, so that's ok
Novaya: I JUST DON'T KNOW!
Novaya: So many possibilities!
mitsaso: yeah. both teams were really close
Novaya: They so were.
Novaya: But presented as-is, even with this Strong Guy/Darwin snafu, I think I have to go with lex and pryde.
Novaya: But it's so SHORT.
Novaya: But lockerogue used a DAZZLER CD.
Novaya: My fandom compels me to fabulous.
Novaya: Hmmm
mitsaso: well you can't just vote for the guy with the dazzler reference
mitsaso: otherwise they'd all use them in the forthcoming rounds to pimp out your vote
Novaya: Bitch, please. That's why you referenced every D-lister in our strat.
Novaya: You're going for the "Nyssane" vote.
mitsaso: I actually went for the Brian M. vote, but that's another story
mitsaso: lolz
Novaya: A gay, Greek, Republican?
Novaya: Oh, death to you.
mitsaso: bitch, PLEASE
mitsaso: there are no Republicans in Greece
mitsaso: only Democrats, Socialists and communists
Novaya: Greece sounds like my paradise.
Novaya: My own slice of disco!heaven.
Novaya: Anyway, I'll make YOU the evil tie-breaker
Novaya: I lean toward lex and pryde.
mitsaso: Well then, this vote goes to Lex and pryde!
Novaya: Okay, lex and pryde it is!
Novaya: Even though lockerogue is fabulous!
Novaya: You want to vote for them, and I'll post our vatic blow-by-blow, then?
mitsaso: yeah, come to greece, there are still discos playing Boney M hits
Novaya: GAY!
mitsaso: alrighty!
Novaya: Yay! Latah Mitsy!
Novaya: <3 <3 <3

[Hi-Fi]

Rogue is not batshit crazy!!

[Toboe]

This was kinda hard. lockerogue had some nice ideas going on, but the out of character killings and the Elixir/Wallflower part felt wrong.

So I went with pryde15 and Lex, overlooking the teleportation thing which I don't think is such a big deal. Their strategy didn't have as many assumptions and flowed better. The mind-controlled Rogue is a big flaw, though, but it didn't play a big part on the match anyway.

Besides, pryde15 gives us Chris Evans pics! LOL

Aaand I totally forgot to consult with Flanny... :o

[Novaya Havoc]

Rogue is not batshit crazy!!

But you still hold the false hope of Scientology that Lila > Dazzler.

Hi-Fi FAILS.

[Hi-Fi]

Actually, Lila = Dazzler in my heart.

[Novaya Havoc]

Actually, Lila = Dazzler in my heart.

That's equally as disgusting.

DISCUSS THE STRATEGIES Hi-FI!

[lockerogue]

I admit I did go overboard with the killing. But what's better leaving Mindee's unconsious body in the outback for vultures to peck at. Dammit I should have stuck with my original plan.

[lockerogue]

I hate second guessing my self.

[Hi-Fi]

I think both strategies have hits and flaws, but I think pryde and Lex really underestimated Rogue by putting Mindee to fight her. She just can't.

In the end, I prefered lockerogue's agressive strategy, even with the kills. And I loved Cat's move. Even though my beloved Karima was the victim.

[MarvelGirlBoy]

I hate second guessing my self.

Aww. If there was a separate cute vote, you would totally win. Your story also encapsulated the "good fun" angle. And you're against a team. Don't be hard on yourself.

[Fatguy]

I admit I did go overboard with the killing. But what's better leaving Mindee's unconsious body in the outback for vultures to peck at. Dammit I should have stuck with my original plan.

lol yea, the structure you went with for your strat was hilarious and really entertaining though. I look forward to your next one.

[lockerogue]

One more thing Rogue is not Batshit crazy!!!!

[RickyD410]

I think I might have to vote for lockerogue, just because she had Elixir and Wallflower acknowledge their past. I was pretty happy to see them stroll away from the fight. Even if it was only for a moment. I dont like the fact that he killed her... but lets just say it was Mindee's mind control or something!

[Nyssane]

I went for lockerogue.

Both were good strategies with their ups and downs. For pryde15 & Lex's team, I liked the usage of various characters' powers, such as Skids using her power on Litterbug and having them team up as well as Wallflower bumping up your team's stats. Omega Sentinel attacking Banshee and disconnecting her ear drums was also a nice touch. I didn't like (obviously) the use of the darkforce dimension or Mindee's control over Rogue. I don't think the Stepford Cuckoos are that powerful by themselves in order to take over a veteran X-Man.

lockerogue had some comedic moments and I like the detail on characters, but the whole Elixir/Wallflower moments had me going "wtf?" LAWL, it's not bad, just a bit strange. The format also was a bit confusing as it was a whole bunch of big paragraphs. Something I really didn't like was the complete dismissal of Strong Guy until the very end. I did like the entertainment factor of your strategy and the focus on character personalities, though I doubt Rogue would have time to pep-talk her team at the beginning of battle.

I have to go for lockerogue. They were both good, but I think the use of the darkforce dimension sort of takes pryde15 & Lex down a notch. Let us not forget the huge drama that went on last year because Mariah used the whole teleportation thing.

[The Lucky One]

Rogue is not batshit crazy!!

Pentangle! Pentangle formation!

-D

[Hi-Fi]

Pentangle! Pentangle formation!

-D
That was a real order!!! LOL

[Lex]

Something I really didn't like was the complete dismissal of Strong Guy until the very end.
That's not lockerogue's fault. There was confusion about a trade.

[Nyssane]

That's not lockerogue's fault. There was confusion about a trade.

Yeah, but even with Darwin there, didn't they save him for last? It's sort of underestimating a character, regardless of who it is. :D

[The Lucky One]

Both strategies have some holes in them, but the ones in lockerogue's jump out at me more, just because they involve three different characters doing things I can't see them ever doing voluntarily- Magma killing an innocent girl, Elixir killing Wallflower, and Rahne taunting Skids about Rusty's death. While pryde15 and Lex's manuever against Rogue wouldn't work thanks to her psi-protection, most of the rest of their strategy holds up. I don't have a problem with Asylum teleporting everyone to the Darkforce Dimension per se, but I don't know that he'd have time or skill enough to hit everyone with their greatest fears, and Wallflower's pheromones might still be in the air to make the other team fearless too. Still, in this case I have to go with the Mutant Team of Awesome Devastation.

-D

[venuscameback]

Omega Sentinel, Skids/Litterbug and Strong Guy take Banshee, Magma and Warpath. As a result Warpath's not around to throw Cat to disrupt the Omega Sentinel, and Banshee's not conscious to attack Asylum.

Lockerogue scores negatives for having Magma kill Mindee off the bat and Elixir charm Laurie into taking a walk from across the hectic battlefield. Could he distract her? sure. and persuade her to leave the fight by waving at her? no. Elixir's more likely to be distracted - Laurie knows she's dead and was revived for this, Elixir would be more likely to be confused. On the plus side, Wolfsbane vs. Skids is wonderful!

While lockerogue's strat is an entertaining read it makes it really hard to match the two strategies up. I think Mindee's way over-used - one Chuck Austen story does not a major psychic make - and the Darwin/Strong Guy confusion doesn't help, making this a difficult match to think through. I'm going to abstain.

[The Fury]

Odd flaw in pryde15 and Lex's strategy. Asylum taking his team in the Darkforce Dimension hurts them too, their fears are realised. Not much good when both sides are attacking.

So Asylum wins. :p

Over all though I think P&L have it, their more precise and to the point overall.

[worstblogever]

Odd flaw in pryde15 and Lex's strategy. Asylum taking his team in the Darkforce Dimension hurts them too, their fears are realised. Not much good when both sides are attacking.

So Asylum wins. :p

Over all though I think P&L have it, their more precise and to the point overall.


Actually, when I read their strategy, it seemed to indicate Wallflower would use pheromones to make them all more brave upon their arrival in the Darkforce dimension, while making their opponents less brave in light of their fears. Of course... what's stopping their opponents from also breathing in these pheromones?

[The Fury]

Actually, when I read their strategy, it seemed to indicate Wallflower would use pheromones to make them all more brave upon their arrival in the Darkforce dimension, while making their opponents less brave in light of their fears. Of course... what's stopping their opponents from also breathing in these pheromones?
Darkforce Dimension does work like that, it attacks a person's very being.

And unless they are Dagger, they ain't going to fair too well.

[worstblogever]

Darkforce Dimension does work like that, it attacks a person's very being.

And unless they are Dagger, they ain't going to fair too well.

So you don't think artificially dosing themselves with courage pheromones might buy them a bit more time than their counterparts before they freak out?

[The Fury]

So you don't think artificially dosing themselves with courage pheromones might buy them a bit more time than their counterparts before they freak out?
No.

extra text.

[Flâneur]

This was kinda hard. lockerogue had some nice ideas going on, but the out of character killings and the Elixir/Wallflower part felt wrong.

So I went with pryde15 and Lex, overlooking the teleportation thing which I don't think is such a big deal. Their strategy didn't have as many assumptions and flowed better. The mind-controlled Rogue is a big flaw, though, but it didn't play a big part on the match anyway.

Besides, pryde15 gives us Chris Evans pics! LOL

Aaand I totally forgot to consult with Flanny... :o

That's ok!

I had a problem with the killings and the walk about too, additionally, I think Mindee was over-estimated. It is so hard to say which should win because while each accounts for themselves decently, I don't think they account for every possible action of the opposing team ... so it's hard to weave them together and find the weak link. Of course then there is the Darwin/Strong Guy confusion. DIFFICULT.

[Swashbuckler]

For this round I had some difficulty deciding on who should be the winner. It seems like A LOT of things don't add up in either match. Character's seem randomly forgotten for huge chunks of the battle and poor grammer made parts hard to read.

Pryde15: Is Mindee Cuckoo really that strong? I think people are upping the abilities of the Cuckoo's too much. Perhaps if all three of them were there, but with just one I don't give them that much energy. Being able to take over Rogue is a huge lead for Pryde15's team, but I just don't think it would happen. Rogue's mind is full already, so a three year old telepath wouldn't be able to take control that easily.

I also have issues with the Warpth VS Strong Guy battle. While I would say the two are probably equal in terms of strength I don't think Strong Guy would win the battle. Keep in mind the issue of X-Factor where Strong Guy fights a powered Blob and has a heart attack from the strain. Long continued brawls may make Strong Guy stronger, but they wear his heart down. Plus, Warpath has other abilities which I think would give him the upper hand, such as his senses, speed and if you really wanted to pull it out, flight.

My third issue is having Elixir, Cat and Wolfsbane totally left out of the first round. You can't just ignore half your opponents team and utilize all of yours. Those characters would be attacking the other team, not just standing by and watching.

Lockerogue: Your entry started off good, but quickly confused me and didn't seem realistic at all. The scene with Elixir and Wallflower, while clever, would never happen. Never. It's not believable at all. Plus, can't Wallflower sense pheromones two? I think she'd be able to sense Josh's deception if something like this happened between the two, which it wouldn't anyway.

The battle with Warpath and Omega Sentinel was extremely dull and hard to follow. I did think it was good to have Cat thrown at Omega Sentinel to disrupt her, but then again, you literally say in your strategy that you plan on Cat just standing there doing nothing, which seems unlikely.

Rogue's battle with Litterbug seemed extremely cheap. She discovers that litterbug has a weakness to fire? How convenient. Also, upping her abilities to having superstrength when she focuses her flames inward? How does that work? That seemed like a cheap win too. Not to mention it's the first time Strong Guy is even mentioned.

Last but not least, Wolfsbane would NEVER bring up Rusty in a negative light that way and Sally wouldn't feel guilty. She's moved on and she knows it. Wolfsbane couldn't touch Sally, whose shield doesn't just randomly drop anyway.

I thought both entries were pretty weak to be honest, but I think I am going to have to vote for Pryde15.

[The Lucky One]

I also have issues with the Warpth VS Strong Guy battle. While I would say the two are probably equal in terms of strength I don't think Strong Guy would win the battle. Keep in mind the issue of X-Factor where Strong Guy fights a powered Blob and has a heart attack from the strain. Long continued brawls may make Strong Guy stronger, but they wear his heart down.

In fairness to Guido, he now has a pacemaker invented by Forge that keeps his powers from putting the strain on his heart that they used to. Unless he's fighting Magneto, I guess.

-D

[lockerogue]

For this round I had some difficulty deciding on who should be the winner. It seems like A LOT of things don't add up in either match. Character's seem randomly forgotten for huge chunks of the battle and poor grammer made parts hard to read.

Pryde15: Is Mindee Cuckoo really that strong? I think people are upping the abilities of the Cuckoo's too much. Perhaps if all three of them were there, but with just one I don't give them that much energy. Being able to take over Rogue is a huge lead for Pryde15's team, but I just don't think it would happen. Rogue's mind is full already, so a three year old telepath wouldn't be able to take control that easily.

I also have issues with the Warpth VS Strong Guy battle. While I would say the two are probably equal in terms of strength I don't think Strong Guy would win the battle. Keep in mind the issue of X-Factor where Strong Guy fights a powered Blob and has a heart attack from the strain. Long continued brawls may make Strong Guy stronger, but they wear his heart down. Plus, Warpath has other abilities which I think would give him the upper hand, such as his senses, speed and if you really wanted to pull it out, flight.

My third issue is having Elixir, Cat and Wolfsbane totally left out of the first round. You can't just ignore half your opponents team and utilize all of yours. Those characters would be attacking the other team, not just standing by and watching.

Lockerogue: Your entry started off good, but quickly confused me and didn't seem realistic at all. The scene with Elixir and Wallflower, while clever, would never happen. Never. It's not believable at all. Plus, can't Wallflower sense pheromones two? I think she'd be able to sense Josh's deception if something like this happened between the two, which it wouldn't anyway.

The battle with Warpath and Omega Sentinel was extremely dull and hard to follow. I did think it was good to have Cat thrown at Omega Sentinel to disrupt her, but then again, you literally say in your strategy that you plan on Cat just standing there doing nothing, which seems unlikely.

Rogue's battle with Litterbug seemed extremely cheap. She discovers that litterbug has a weakness to fire? How convenient. Also, upping her abilities to having superstrength when she focuses her flames inward? How does that work? That seemed like a cheap win too. Not to mention it's the first time Strong Guy is even mentioned.

Last but not least, Wolfsbane would NEVER bring up Rusty in a negative light that way and Sally wouldn't feel guilty. She's moved on and she knows it. Wolfsbane couldn't touch Sally, whose shield doesn't just randomly drop anyway.

I thought both entries were pretty weak to be honest, but I think I am going to have to vote for Pryde15.

I didn't know Strong Guy was on their team until their strat was posted. I was going by what the team list said. If you research Rogue's power history you can find out that see focus Sunfires flame based powers into strength.

[mattbib]

Final score is 24:17.

Congratulations to pryde15 & Lex, you advance to Game 9 where you'll face off against Nyssane next Monday, January 21.

Great job, lockerogue. You move into the lower bracket where you'll have to fight to stay in against The Fury, also next Monday.