Secret Invasion: News & Speculation

[JohnHorus]

I found this article on the same site that posted that X-Men post messiah article, cointaining some of the info that appeared on the latest Wizard mag. and some new info. As not everybody reads Wizard, here's the link to the article so that we can all share all the information.

it's a detailed explanation of what will happen in the avengers book during Secret Invasion.

http://independentcomicssite.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=337&Itemid=1

[TotalWorldDomination]

most of that info we've heard before... other then the fact that Thor will be poping up in Mighty Avengers! Here's hoping that he's there to join up or get slapped around!

Still dosn't settle the "what avengers title will get canned" speculation... No book has storylines that have been shown to go past the end of SI...

[Beast]

My guess is Secret Invasion makes the SHRA a moot point for the most part. So the Mighty Avengers and New Avengers make peace. And then Mighty is cancelled for one Avengers book coming out twice a month.

[XPac]

My guess is Secret Invasion makes the SHRA a moot point for the most part. So the Mighty Avengers and New Avengers make peace. And then Mighty is cancelled for one Avengers book coming out twice a month.

The SHRA may be a moot point for Tony Stark (really the only hero that gave a dam about the thing in the first place), but it's still a law. So things can't go back to the way things were even if most of the heroes wished that they would.

[Beast]

The SHRA may be a moot point for Tony Stark (really the only hero that gave a dam about the thing in the first place), but it's still a law. So things can't go back to the way things were even if most of the heroes wished that they would.
Who says the law exists in the form it currently is in, after the Avengers save the world?

[TotalWorldDomination]

Who says the law exists in the form it currently is in, after the Avengers save the world?

The Mighty Avengers will get all the credit. I'd wager after SI we'll see the SHRA still stand but SHIELD will no longer be involved in the enforcement of it, leaving the dutys to the Thunderbolts, the CSA and the FSI. Some FSI leaders will be more active in hunting people then others.

[Will.S]

My guess is Secret Invasion makes the SHRA a moot point for the most part. So the Mighty Avengers and New Avengers make peace. And then Mighty is cancelled for one Avengers book coming out twice a month.
I could see that happening but it would be an odd move since MA sells very well.

The only question would be how they would release it twice a month and what lineups would make the cut for a singular team. If this happens, then Mighty Avengers was from the onset made to be strictly a post-Civil War book that didn't have an ongoing plan past SI. Seems we can never get 2 Avengers books for a long period of time (outside of West Coast) but hopefully Dan's Initiative book will still be around and we'll see all the staple Avengers stick around regardless.

[XPac]

The Mighty Avengers will get all the credit. I'd wager after SI we'll see the SHRA still stand but SHIELD will no longer be involved in the enforcement of it, leaving the dutys to the Thunderbolts, the CSA and the FSI. Some FSI leaders will be more active in hunting people then others.

So in other words, Stark will be removed from the equation and we'll be left with all the evil factions running things.

If they want to further demonstrate how evil the SHRA and government is, then this is probably the way to do it. It's removing the heroes from the other side of the equation.

[XPac]

I could see that.

The only question would be how they're going to release it twice a month and what lineups would make the cut for a singular team. It this is true though it seems as if we can never really get 2 Avengers books for a long period of time :(

Ah well hopefully Dan's The Initiative will be around as well.

I would imagine that they'd use the SPider-Man book as a blue print if they would do this. Bendis clearly can handle the writing work load.

Though I honestly think having 2 Avengers team is a good idea since the Avengers right now are a fairly hot commodity.

[Will.S]

I would imagine that they'd use the SPider-Man book as a blue print if they would do this. Bendis clearly can handle the writing work load.
Yeah he's shown that he can write things really well in advance and the only thing that slowed him down was the artist so I could see him handle the writing duties well enough. I think this would be a great opportunity to co-write with Brian Reed though.

[Beast]

I could see that happening but it would be an odd move since MA sells very well.
True, but they said a Top 20 book would be cancelled due to SI.

It's really the only book that makes sense in my mind. Given what else is in the Top 20.

[TotalWorldDomination]

True, but they said a Top 20 book would be cancelled due to SI.

It's really the only book that makes sense in my mind. Given what else is in the Top 20.

well, since the Skrull plotline has been the focus of New Avengers since the very start, it would take a huge amount of balls on the part of Marvel (but still make sense) to pull the plug on that book once the Skrull storyline is over. That being said, I think it would be a brave move on there part. Like ending a TV show when the main plot is concluded rather then dragging it out cause it has high ratings *COUGH*X-FILES*COUGH*.

[Beast]

well, since the Skrull plotline has been the focus of New Avengers since the very start, it would take a huge amount of balls on the part of Marvel (but still make sense) to pull the plug on that book once the Skrull storyline is over. That being said, I think it would be a brave move on there part. Like ending a TV show when the main plot is concluded rather then dragging it out cause it has high ratings *COUGH*X-FILES*COUGH*.
Aye. It could be that Mighty and New both go. And we get one Avengers #1 book.

[XPac]

well, since the Skrull plotline has been the focus of New Avengers since the very start, it would take a huge amount of balls on the part of Marvel (but still make sense) to pull the plug on that book once the Skrull storyline is over. That being said, I think it would be a brave move on there part. Like ending a TV show when the main plot is concluded rather then dragging it out cause it has high ratings *COUGH*X-FILES*COUGH*.

If one book would be pulled, it would likely be Mighty Avengers rather than New. Tom Breevort even said if they were ever to return to the original numbering, it would go through the NA book.

And honestly cancelling MA wouldn't exactly take THAT much courage since frankly the book has lost so much momentum due to the delays.

I don't think they should cancel either book quite frankly... but if they were to cancel one I think MA would be the one on the chopping block.

[Mark_S]

So in other words, Stark will be removed from the equation and we'll be left with all the evil factions running things.

If they want to further demonstrate how evil the SHRA and government is, then this is probably the way to do it. It's removing the heroes from the other side of the equation.

The SI storyline will in many ways be a final say on how marvel feels about the SHRA. If the invasion is really halted or turned back because of the SHRA then it is going to be around for a real long time, probably until JQ leaves. But if the SHRA makes the invasion easier (and I'm in this camp) then we might see it changed or repealed afterwards. Tony's blanket "Well I don't care about that anymore." Will not I'm sure be echoed by such types as Gyrich. And I'll lay odds that JJJ will blame the Skrull invasion on the superheroes.


Mark_S

[CaptainCanada]

True, but they said a Top 20 book would be cancelled due to SI.

It's really the only book that makes sense in my mind. Given what else is in the Top 20.
Wasn't that just an LITG rumour?

If any of the high-selling books would be cancelled, it would be Avengers: The Initiative, which, as a concept, has no legs beyond, well, the Initiative (which a lot of people are speculating will end because of SI). Especially considering that it was only ever meant as a miniseries.

[rogerio]

Secret Invasion and New Avengers #40 pages here:
http://www.marvel.com/blogs/Tom_Brevoort/

interesting...

[JohnHorus]

most of that info we've heard before... other then the fact that Thor will be poping up in Mighty Avengers!
Still dosn't settle the "what avengers title will get canned" speculation... No book has storylines that have been shown to go past the end of SI...

well, i haven't found any of this info on websites, only in wizard mag so i thought to share this article. I also think the SHRA will stand after SI, still marvel hasn't said much about that so far. By the way i think i've never seen artwork by Mack or Gaydos, are they any good?

[Psyco panda]

ccording to Slott, readers can expect “Triathlon to smack dab in the middle of the Initiative wearing the 3-D Man glasses”.

Can someone enlighten me? Whats so special about the 3-D man glasses? I've vaguely heard of 3-D man from Avengers Forever, but i don't remember him wearing glasses.

[JohnHorus]

Can someone enlighten me? Whats so special about the 3-D man glasses? I've vaguely heard of 3-D man from Avengers Forever, but i don't remember him wearing glasses.

I'm also completely lost about that...

[Beast]

Dan Slott, writer of Avengers: The Initiative, stated on a Marvel Podcast that Triathlon would survive the recent events at the Initiative to take up the mantle of 3-D Man as part of the Secret Invasion.

Read up on your Triathlon history...

Delroy Garrett, Jr. was an Olympic track medalist whose career was derailed when it was found he used steroids. Dejected, Delroy joined the Triune Understanding to restore his faith. Triune leader Jonathan Tremont imbued Delroy with the powers stolen from the former superhero, the 3-D Man. Delroy had no idea of the source of his new powers thinking that the teachings of the Triune had simply unlocked his superhuman potential. Delroy became the costumed superhero, Triathlon, and became the Triune's celebrity spokesman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triathlon_%28comics%29

And yes, the 3-D man wore glasses. Well, the person who summoned him anyway:

Hal Chandler could, by concentrating on the image of his brother imprinted on his glasses, summon a super-powered version of his brother: the 3-D Man. This action would cause Hal to lose consciousness. The 3-D Man, in turn, could only exist for three hours at a time before Hal would wake up, causing the 3-D Man to subsequently disappear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-D_Man

Also of interest: Also, the 3-D Man could detect Skrulls no matter what form they took via shape-shifting.

[Kirk G]

Wasn't that just an LITG rumour?

If any of the high-selling books would be cancelled, it would be Avengers: The Initiative, which, as a concept, has no legs beyond, well, the Initiative (which a lot of people are speculating will end because of SI). Especially considering that it was only ever meant as a miniseries.

What's an LITG? "Little Green Men?"

[scouse mouse]

I can't believe that the Skrulls have even infiltrated the Daily Bugle!:eek:

[TotalWorldDomination]

Also of interest: Also, the 3-D Man could detect Skrulls no matter what form they took via shape-shifting.

And thus we hit on the reason that it's important that Triathlon is going to become the new 3-D Man. I imagine he'll be the one to expose the Skrulls in the Initiative... if they don't off him first.

[Ronald Bryan]

And thus we hit on the reason that it's important that Triathlon is going to become the new 3-D Man. I imagine he'll be the one to expose the Skrulls in the Initiative... if they don't off him first.
So, does this mean Triathalon becomes Rowdy Roddy Piper?

[Clea]

What's an LITG? "Little Green Men?"

Probably, "Lying in the Gutters," the Rich Johnston column.

[Beast]

So, does this mean Triathalon becomes Rowdy Roddy Piper?
Only if there's a several page long fight scene, where he keeps trying to get someone to try the glasses on. ;)

[Will.S]

So, does this mean Triathalon becomes Rowdy Roddy Piper?

Only if there's a several page long fight scene, where he keeps trying to get someone to try the glasses on. ;)
LOL, that would be worth the price of admission.

[Monty_Cristo]

good for Delroy. now if only his name weren't 'Delroy?'

[Taskmaster]

LOL, that would be worth the price of admission.

Heck if they did the fight scene from "They Live" with Triathalon I would buy ten copies, at least

[jobies201]

From marvel.com:

"It’s the event over five years in the making and now that the Skrulls’ plans have come to light, it’s time for "Secret Invasion: Infiltration" to be exposed!

All Marvel titles bearing the "Secret Invasion: Infiltration" banner provide crucial tie-ins to the most anticipated event of 2008—Secret Invasion. If you want to know everything about the machinations of the shape-shifting Skrulls, the secret agents hiding in the Marvel Universe and just how the heroes prepare for the most explosive battle of 2008, then you can’t miss an issue of the Infiltration!"

MARVEL has also announced, for those of you that did not know, that the Secret Invasion Infiltration well take place mainly in Avengers titles, as far as tie-in's go. Though the Fantastic Fours characters will be involved, there comic will not be related to Secret Invasion the whole time.

An Official Tie-In list so far (to be updated weekly):
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Mighty Avengers #7
Avengers: The Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers #38-39
Captain Marvel #4-5
Ms. Marvel #25-27

A list of known Skrulls:
Elektra- revealed in New Avengers #31
Black Bolt- revealed in New Avengers: Illuminati #5
The Revolutionary- revealed in Avengers: The Initiative Annual #1
Unknown Camp Hammond Resident- revealed in Avengers: The Initiative Annual #1
Daily Bugle Feature editor Irving Griffin - revealed in Marvel Holiday Special 2007

[JBeckett]

I can't believe that the Skrulls have even infiltrated the Daily Bugle!:eek:

I thought about this and it makes sense for them to infiltrate the media. Think of the influence that could have on society. I believe Quesada mentions in the Colbert interview about celebrities being Skrulls. If they're really going to invade, they'd invade all aspects of our world if they're trying to claim it. It'd be much more than super-heroes. Hmmm...let's see who else would be Skrulls?....Britney Spears....Mario Lopez....Oprah Winfrey...Michael Jackson...Mariah Carey...The creators of the Souljah Boy song/dance...the world leader of your choice...pro atheletes....

[tv horror]

Aha, what if the entire group of the Illuminati were Skrulls? That would explain why some of their powers were weaker than usual. I'm really looking forward to secret invasion lets hope that they get it right this time, the only highlight of the Civil war era was the death of Cap. Mainly because that led to even more questions involving the Marvel universe.

[Porcelain]

Secret Invasion #1 sneak preview: http://uk.comics.ign.com/articles/848/848583p1.html

Really, really, really couldn't have cared less about this in NA (not exactly hit MA yet), but for some wierd reason I want this to work.

[Mark_S]

GO skrulls!

Mark_S

[Capt USA]

Heck if they did the fight scene from "They Live" with Triathalon I would buy ten copies, at least

Hey Cripple fight!!!!!

(for those few people who don't know, the entire cripple fight scene from south park was lifted scene for scene from the They Live fight)

[prodigy]

Secret Invasion is going to be retarded.

If Black Bolt's Skrull plothole thing is any indication of the future : Expect disapointment.


Bendis is probably going to make Spider-Man a Skrull.


And I'll bet he'll say Spidey has been a Skrull his whole life. He was born one.



Rely on Bendis to let you down and frustrate you. Always.

[Bryson the Red]

Secret Invasion is going to be retarded.

If Black Bolt's Skrull plothole thing is any indication of the future : Expect disapointment.


Bendis is probably going to make Spider-Man a Skrull.


And I'll bet he'll say Spidey has been a Skrull his whole life. He was born one.



Rely on Bendis to let you down and frustrate you. Always.

.... word?

I want to reply, but I'm not really sure what to say. This seems... needlessly aggressive.

[gorthon616]

"According to Bendis, Secret Invasion features one of the Skrull sects seen in the pages of Annihilation that believes controlling and ruling Earth is their god given right. The writer concieved this story as a political metaphor inspired by Columbus’ discovery of America, the right (North)Americans believe they have to 'be there (in Iraq) or not' and the trust issues concerning certain physical types that arose after 9/11."


*UGH* that's the most ill-conceived "political metaphor" I've ever heard. Just like a random mis-mash of high school level thought/critique on history, added with whatever anti-war sentiment rides the day, and topped off with whatever criticisms of the government we can think of that we think will sell.

Not that any of these ideas/issues are not legitimate story devices, but this sounds like a crappy undergraduate liberal arts thesis.

Is it "old fashioned" of me to have a writer conceive a story because they think it's a good story? And maybe if there are telling relevant analogues between that story and important/present issues, then they will follow those analogues to the end? This whole "OMG that guy on the news was right. I need to find someway to write a story to support him." thing is ridiculous. The story suffers for it and the only people who enjoy the political part of it are people who were looking to buy into the idea from the beginning (read Civil War).

[prodigy]

.... word?

I want to reply, but I'm not really sure what to say. This seems... needlessly aggressive.

Um... Yeah. Pretty much.




Anyway, fellas, I've given my input on this subject. This thread can now be closed.

[gorthon616]

Note: I WILL be reading Infiltration, because the Marvel Universe is like my baby, and I'm not going abandon it just because it's being dumb.

Plus, I want to see if Kl'rt is in it!

Kl'rt!

[Liberty Belle Fan]

I'm pumped about Secret Invasion, and I'd like to see both Avengers titles survive, at least, until the end of 2008. I can't see them canceling either book to combine it into one at this point.

Alex Ross' Avengers/Invaders project also has the time traveling WW2 Invaders interacting with both teams in the 12 issue series.

Avengers/Invaders article at Marvel (http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.1390.Avengers~slash~Invaders:_The_Ret urn_Revealed)

[Bingo!]

From marvel.com:
A list of known Skrulls:
Elektra- revealed in New Avengers #31
Black Bolt- revealed in New Avengers: Illuminati #5
The Revolutionary- revealed in Avengers: The Initiative Annual #1
Unknown Camp Hammond Resident- revealed in Avengers: The Initiative Annual #1
Daily Bugle Feature editor Irving Griffin - revealed in Marvel Holiday Special 2007

Couldn't we also include Luke Cage and Jessica Jones baby? Though I suppose we're not 100% certain of that...

[Clea]

*UGH* that's the most ill-conceived "political metaphor" I've ever heard. Just like a random mis-mash of high school level thought/critique on history, added with whatever anti-war sentiment rides the day, and topped off with whatever criticisms of the government we can think of that we think will sell.

Not that any of these ideas/issues are not legitimate story devices, but this sounds like a crappy undergraduate liberal arts thesis.

Is it "old fashioned" of me to have a writer conceive a story because they think it's a good story? And maybe if there are telling relevant analogues between that story and important/present issues, then they will follow those analogues to the end? This whole "OMG that guy on the news was right. I need to find someway to write a story to support him." thing is ridiculous. The story suffers for it and the only people who enjoy the political part of it are people who were looking to buy into the idea from the beginning (read Civil War).


Writers take their inspiration from all sorts of sources. Being inspired by the clash of cultures, or by historical ideas such as Manifest Destiny both seem to be quite legitimate concepts that could trigger any number of excellent stories. I think that giving the Skrulls some sort of Manifest Destiny-like motivation makes them more interesting than assuming that they keep attacking Earth because they're just bad-tempered and dumb. I don't assume that any of these Marvel writers have some sort of thinly veiled political agenda that they are trying to promote through the pages of these comics. The execution of the stories might end up being too heavy-handed, but the writers undoubtedly just want to tell the best, most entertaining story that they can. I'm sure that at the time they thought all of this stuff up, it sounded like a great idea.

That said, personally, I find most of of the CW and SHRA storylines to be quite distasteful and utterly out of place in the MU. To me, it all feels as if it was artificially imposed on the MU, and many leading Marvel characters doing things that feel quite false to me. I would love to see Marvel put all of this behind them as soon as they can and move on to something that I find to be less irritating.

[Mark_S]

I'd like to see that too, but I'm not sure how SI will do it, or if it is even intended to do it. No one with a brain should trust Tony Stark again, even if they go into battle with him against the skrulls the NA would have to keep one eye on him because experience has shown that he will use any slip that they make against him. And that should be mirrored in the entire mu.

Also marvel thrived in sales with cw, they thrived on stories of distrust, anger and hatred, why would they abandon that when it was working so well for them?

Mark_S

[Monty_Cristo]

Note: I WILL be reading Infiltration, because the Marvel Universe is like my baby, and I'm not going abandon it just because it's being dumb.

it's a baby! you want it to build a rocket or something? ;)

[Blackhawkk]

I haven't read all the posts so here's hoping I'm not repeating something.

I really don't see New Avengers continuing. Spider-Man can no longer fit in due to his own retcons, Luke Cage will be outed as a Skrull, Wolverine is stretched out too far and fits better in the X World, and finally I would think Dr. Strange would get tired of all these people hanging around and kick them out!

Then let The Avengers come out 3 times a month and resuming the original numbering (whatever that would be).

[XPac]

I haven't read all the posts so here's hoping I'm not repeating something.

I really don't see New Avengers continuing. Spider-Man can no longer fit in due to his own retcons, Luke Cage will be outed as a Skrull, Wolverine is stretched out too far and fits better in the X World, and finally I would think Dr. Strange would get tired of all these people hanging around and kick them out!

Then let The Avengers come out 3 times a month and resuming the original numbering (whatever that would be).

As screwed up as the NA's status quo is these days, I have trouble envisioning Marvel deciding to end their top selling on-going title.

[jpk]

I haven't read all the posts so here's hoping I'm not repeating something.

I really don't see New Avengers continuing. Spider-Man can no longer fit in due to his own retcons, Luke Cage will be outed as a Skrull, Wolverine is stretched out too far and fits better in the X World, and finally I would think Dr. Strange would get tired of all these people hanging around and kick them out!

Then let The Avengers come out 3 times a month and resuming the original numbering (whatever that would be).

Strange has in fact already kicked them out, so to speak, because he quit the team to go straighten out his growing dark-arts addiction (NA Annual 2).

[FrogMan]

The Skrull Kill Krew had better show up somewhere in this crossover. If they don't I'll be seriously pissed.

If they don't, that's just sloppy writing. I mean, a bunch of characters who can detect Skrulls? Yeah, their mini wasn't that great, but they were designed for this crossover, so they should make an appearance, even if it's just some Skrull mentioning that they've successfully killed the SKK, so they don't have to worry about their interference.

[vitruvian]

If they don't, that's just sloppy writing. I mean, a bunch of characters who can detect Skrulls? Yeah, their mini wasn't that great, but they were designed for this crossover, so they should make an appearance, even if it's just some Skrull mentioning that they've successfully killed the SKK, so they don't have to worry about their interference.

They were all supposed to be terminally ill anyway, weren't they?

Anyway, I'm sure Reed has some samples of Skrull beef and dairy in his lab somewhere, with which he should be able to reproduce their condition if needed. You ever notice that one of the Skrulls hypnotized into believing they were cows *didn't make it out to that pasture*?

[XPac]

The Skrull Kill Krew had better show up somewhere in this crossover. If they don't I'll be seriously pissed.

If they don't, that's just sloppy writing. I mean, a bunch of characters who can detect Skrulls? Yeah, their mini wasn't that great, but they were designed for this crossover, so they should make an appearance, even if it's just some Skrull mentioning that they've successfully killed the SKK, so they don't have to worry about their interference.

Well, we got Damage Control back after CW and WWH. Maybe we'll get SKK back coming back after this. I personally wouldn't necessarily blame Bendis if he didn't bring them back... you'd have to really dust off those old handbooks to even remember these guys. But if he did, it might be cool.

[TheAmazingSpidey]

I hope they don't end New Avengers--it's my second favorite title, right below The Amazing Spider-Man...:mad:

[XPac]

I hope they don't end New Avengers--it's my second favorite title, right below The Amazing Spider-Man...:mad:

I think they'd honestly sooner end MA than NA. As I said, it's marvels top selling on-going title.

Honestly, as long as sales are as good as they are, I don't see ANY Bendis written Avengers title getting cancelled anytime soon.

[TheAmazingSpidey]

I think they'd honestly sooner end MA than NA. As I said, it's marvels top selling on-going title.

Honestly, as long as sales are as good as they are, I don't see ANY Bendis written Avengers title getting cancelled anytime soon.

That's true.

[Camron Amaya]

What's Thor gonna be doing in MA....

[worstblogever]

Anyone else notice the cover for Mighty Avengers with Ares and a grinning Wonder Man ganging up on Hercules?

That look on Simon's face is seriously creepy.

[NKSCF]

My list of Skrulls and reasons why:

*Jessica Jones- she's always been supportive of Luke's decision to resist the SRA, but now, just when they come back from a mission involving a Skrull infiltrator, she decides to hightail it and register. (The baby is a possible reason why the real Jessica would leave, but I still believe she's just too Skrully for my tastes.) The attack by the Hood's gang just gave her the excuse to leave the NA so that she can raise hell in the Initiative, by saying that the NAs are Skrulls
*Hank Pym- (post-Civil War) The man's trying to recover from the disaster they call Clor and now decides to be a part of dissecting a dead man's body to become a major fighting force on the 50-state Initiative? Most likely--if he's a Skrull--then he's placed some programming in the MVP's about to be shipped out so they can become a part of the Invasion, per his, maybe, conversation with the Revolutionary.
*Black Bolt- go figure
*Wonder Man- he's been acting very...um, different might be a good term. If anyone on/affiliated with the MA is a Skrull, minus maybe Sentry's wife, Wonder Man is your representative
*Storm- she's affiliated with the X-Men and one of the richest nations on the Earth, as well as in a relationship with one of the world's premeire monarchs. Taking out Wakanda will not be easy, unless you can manipulate the man in charge

My list of not-Skrulls:
*Spider-Man- this is purely business related, IMO. They've hit us with this decision to destroy the marriage and they want Spider-Man to be a certain way. The only way Spider-Man will be revealed as a Skrull is if BND's sales don't add up the way they want and they want to retcon him as one.
*Wolverine- the guy's died like three of four times since this was first announced and he even fought a demon--who'd presumably know if he was the real one or not--as part of his whole staying alive deal
*Cap (Bucky)- although the idea of the Skrull's replacing Cap's replacement is kinda juicy, I just don't see it happening. Besides, I'm very much into this character, so I'm biased
*Dr. Doom- because of the way the man is wheeling and dealing. Although that might suggest Skrull to some people, he seems so in character in the way he's doing things. Keep it up, Doom!

[Aljira]

storm is one of my favorite characters but her marriage to the black panther wasn't really convincing...plus the fact that she hadn't really made her presence felt in MC was downright heartbreaking...it's like she wasn't herself at all...

so is storm a skrull? maybe. like what NKSCF said...having a respected position in the mutant community plus queen to one of the richest nations of the world? just do some really grand acting and victory's almost at their grasp

[spidarwin]

it's a baby! you want it to build a rocket or something? ;)

More likely, with the way the MU is going, put the "baby" in a rocket, and send it elsewhere, hoping it has a better life on its destination planet.

[ColdFury]

*Dr. Doom- because of the way the man is wheeling and dealing. Although that might suggest Skrull to some people, he seems so in character in the way he's doing things. Keep it up, Doom!

... You just sold me on Doom being a Skrull. Think about it, quiet recently, no real peeps from him. Political manuevering on an unusual scale, but it's DOOM, right? He's always up to something.

And then, right when the Skrull cover is blown, Doom launches an all out attack on New York?

Again, it's DOOM. Tony didn't even question it, just Doom being Doom, let's go invade Latveria and call it a day.

The perfect double agent is the one no one would suspect. Doom is a Skrull.

[ColdFury]

multi-post, sorry about that.

[ColdFury]

multi-post, disregard.

[prodigy]

edit:nvm................

[NKSCF]

... You just sold me on Doom being a Skrull. Think about it, quiet recently, no real peeps from him. Political manuevering on an unusual scale, but it's DOOM, right? He's always up to something.

And then, right when the Skrull cover is blown, Doom launches an all out attack on New York?

Again, it's DOOM. Tony didn't even question it, just Doom being Doom, let's go invade Latveria and call it a day.

The perfect double agent is the one no one would suspect. Doom is a Skrull.

Like I said, it could go either way with Doom, but, to me, he just seems so in character to do everything he's done so far.

[o1pickleboy]

*Cap (Bucky)- although the idea of the Skrull's replacing Cap's replacement is kinda juicy, I just don't see it happening. Besides, I'm very much into this character, so I'm biased


Well we have a shotty resurection. Which is one of the hints given my Bendis. Plus marvel had the "Only Bucky stays dead" rule. I am strongly leaning to bucky being a skrull

[IronKing]

Wow, I really hope they don't renumber anything. All I really care about is New Avengers. I'll be mad if that's the book to go.

It's cool if both teams make peace, but outside of Ares and Iron Man I really don't care about any of the MA. I'd hate to see some of the lamer characters take up valuable time that would be better off with Clint, Echo, Cage & Iron, etc.

[prodigy]

What's Thor gonna be doing in MA....

Nothing. I can smell a garbage story from a mile away. Most likely there's gonna be some unintelligent "Aye! We art must not involve ourselves with thine midgard! What doth thou mean 'why?' Becourse thine story is written by Bendis! The overgod of bad writing!"

[jobies201]

Like I said, it could go either way with Doom, but, to me, he just seems so in character to do everything he's done so far.

To me there's a few problems with Doom being a Skrull.

1) *SPOILERS* If you read the Fantastic Four recently, Doom was sent to an alternate timeline where he implemented idea #101 to become the most revered man in the world.

2) Doom has soooo many Doom bots. Who's to say that the real Doom is out of the picture ever? Hell, even the FF can't tell the difference when there's only one.

and 3) maybe this is going far, but I can't see Doom being taken out by Skrulls. I mean, come on. He's freaking Doom. You would think he would have survived and told someone about it if it happened.


I'm just really not seeing it.

[Bulky Brent]

Then again why else would Stark call Reed Richards for Help and Why would Mighty Avengers have a Doom arc right before Secret Invasion? Just a thought.

[darksaint124]

Nothing. I can smell a garbage story from a mile away. Most likely there's gonna be some unintelligent "Aye! We art must not involve ourselves with thine midgard! What doth thou mean 'why?' Becourse thine story is written by Bendis! The overgod of bad writing!"

Must bash Bendis.:D

[mikekerr3]

Then again why else would Stark call Reed Richards for Help and Why would Mighty Avengers have a Doom arc right before Secret Invasion? Just a thought.

Because Tony jumping the gun to blame doom is so in character and makes for a good story.

[TheAmazingSpidey]

Must bash Bendis.:D

A BENDIS BASHER?




HAVE AT THEE, FIEND!

[Magneto_X]

To me there's a few problems with Doom being a Skrull.

1) *SPOILERS* If you read the Fantastic Four recently, Doom was sent to an alternate timeline where he implemented idea #101 to become the most revered man in the world.


That was an alternate future Doom, not the real thing.

[darksaint124]

A BENDIS BASHER?




HAVE AT THEE, FIEND!

I am not a Bendis basher. I have taken it upon myself to point out the various anti-Bendis shenanigans wherever I see them.

[matthewaos]

Then again why else would Stark call Reed Richards for Help and Why would Mighty Avengers have a Doom arc right before Secret Invasion? Just a thought.

Well, the story seems as a filler, and a little lame one, so there's no real reason maybe...

I reread the NA's latest arc, and in the issue with Jessica talking with Luke about the Venom virus I realized something:

JESSICA JONES IS A SKRULL!!!!!!! I am 100% sure about it!

[Just a Shadow]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Skrulls framed Doom in MA. Doom is the single greatest threat to the Skrull plan. Not only is he one of the two smartest people on the planet, but he's also one of the most ruthless and unlikely to like aliens taking over his planet. Reed will fight them off, so will Tony, but Doom will commit bloody genocide if thinks it's necessary to win.

So the easy way to get Doom out out of the picture is to frame him for something and get him into a fight with the heroes. It keeps Doom and the MA busy for a bit while the Skrulls can get to business.

Edit: I haven't actually read MA#8. This is just based on seeing a comment about the heroes seeing that the containers that brought the symbiotes to NYC are from Latveria. If Doom admitted to it, then my theory kinda goes out the window.

[SeritoNiN]

Marvel the Lost Generation # 11

A man finds a crashed space ship along with a small pda device displaying a video of a skrull saying " Mission log 2418...imperial skrull captain zankor recording. Let there be no doubt of my faithfulness to our emperor dorrek Vii.....should my reconnaissance of earth uncover any reason to cancel the invasion."

I'm at work right now, just bought the book, haven't had a chance to read the entire issue, but those two panels that displayed this, I found to be quite interesting.

[Expletive Deleted]

That was a John Byrne project, wasn't it?

Yeah, gotta be a coincidence.

[SeritoNiN]

Coincidence I'm certain, nothing at Marvel is planned out very well or long-term, but a coincidence Bendis will milk, I am sure. ;)

Skrull Kill Krew is a nice coincidence as well.

Remember, Bendis supposedly went through the history of marvel and the skrulls, so if true, he reads books like this and got his idea's from them and or used them to form his huge story.

I believe later in this book they use the word, infiltration as well.

Too many words that are being used in the current arc, that I'm seeing in this book, that really weren't used before.

I think it will tie-in.

[SeritoNiN]

The Skrull Kill Krew had better show up somewhere in this crossover. If they don't I'll be seriously pissed.

If they don't, that's just sloppy writing. I mean, a bunch of characters who can detect Skrulls? Yeah, their mini wasn't that great, but they were designed for this crossover, so they should make an appearance, even if it's just some Skrull mentioning that they've successfully killed the SKK, so they don't have to worry about their interference.

I might be putting too much faith in the arc, but I'm assuming the skrull kill krew will show up as part of fury's new howling commando's, along with steve rogers.

One thing you have to remember is skrulls are undetecable this time around to every that was able to detect them previously, this can hold true for the kill krew as well.

The skrulls are using some sort of magic that hides there thoughts from professor x (he never knew black bolt was a skrull) wolverine, couldn't sense elektra,iron man''s armor and technology can't detect them, etc.

[Kirk G]

Marvel the Lost Generation # 11

A man finds a crashed space ship along with a small pda device displaying a video of a skrull saying " Mission log 2418...imperial skrull captain zankor recording. Let there be no doubt of my faithfulness to our emperor dorrek Vii.....should my reconnaissance of earth uncover any reason to cancel the invasion."

I'm at work right now, just bought the book, haven't had a chance to read the entire issue, but those two panels that displayed this, I found to be quite interesting.

This was actually a retelling with Reed Richards in the role of "the scientist" of an older Silver Age Marvel tale that appeared in one of the anthology horror/sci fi titles (Like Tales of Suspense, or Tales to Astonish, or Strange Tales, or Journey into Mystery).

The story basically goes, "A paranoid man rushes into the police station or the scientists' lab, screaming that there's an invasion, and he's the only one who knows. He came across a crash landed sauser and read the log of the alien, who explains that he's about to infiltrate and impersonate. When the man is slapped into jail, he mistakenly concludes that he's turned to the one place he shouldn't have to stop the invasion...that he found the alien. But to his shock and the reader's surprise, the cop/scientist/investigator announces that he HAS stopped the invasion, because HE is the alien. He could only read the log/instructions/book/PDA becase HE was the alien with amesnsa due to the crash, or due to a miscalculation of the mind wipe involved in converting him to "human form."

Byrne just borrowed the story and positioned it as an early tale of Reed Richards.

[jackolover]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Skrulls framed Doom in MA. Doom is the single greatest threat to the Skrull plan. Not only is he one of the two smartest people on the planet, but he's also one of the most ruthless and unlikely to like aliens taking over his planet. Reed will fight them off, so will Tony, but Doom will commit bloody genocide if thinks it's necessary to win.

So the easy way to get Doom out out of the picture is to frame him for something and get him into a fight with the heroes. It keeps Doom and the MA busy for a bit while the Skrulls can get to business.

Edit: I haven't actually read MA#8. This is just based on seeing a comment about the heroes seeing that the containers that brought the symbiotes to NYC are from Latveria. If Doom admitted to it, then my theory kinda goes out the window.

Not sure Doom admits to the Symbiote probes.

But it would be interesting to know if the Skrulls have had contact with a wide variety of Aliens around the galaxy. To have the Skrulls harvest the Symbiotes and know about the Sakaar people, as well as all those other creatures, would be an interesting story. Do they know about the Space Phantom, or Dormammu? Can the Skrulls use aliens to their advantage, like the Warbound, to confuse the war on earth?

[drinkblatzbeer]

This was actually a retelling with Reed Richards in the role of "the scientist" of an older Silver Age Marvel tale that appeared in one of the anthology horror/sci fi titles (Like Tales of Suspense, or Tales to Astonish, or Strange Tales, or Journey into Mystery).

The story basically goes, "A paranoid man rushes into the police station or the scientists' lab, screaming that there's an invasion, and he's the only one who knows. He came across a crash landed sauser and read the log of the alien, who explains that he's about to infiltrate and impersonate. When the man is slapped into jail, he mistakenly concludes that he's turned to the one place he shouldn't have to stop the invasion...that he found the alien. But to his shock and the reader's surprise, the cop/scientist/investigator announces that he HAS stopped the invasion, because HE is the alien. He could only read the log/instructions/book/PDA becase HE was the alien with amesnsa due to the crash, or due to a miscalculation of the mind wipe involved in converting him to "human form."

Byrne just borrowed the story and positioned it as an early tale of Reed Richards.

i think it's the story of Manoo (?) they had a new version in one of the monster one shots a couple summers ago...

[Young Avenger]

Marvel the Lost Generation # 11

A man finds a crashed space ship along with a small pda device displaying a video of a skrull saying " Mission log 2418...imperial skrull captain zankor recording. Let there be no doubt of my faithfulness to our emperor dorrek Vii.....should my reconnaissance of earth uncover any reason to cancel the invasion."

I'm at work right now, just bought the book, haven't had a chance to read the entire issue, but those two panels that displayed this, I found to be quite interesting.

I picked up Secret Invasion Saga today and Marvel: The Lost Generation tie-ins. Its one of the books that the Saga book recaps

[Bingo!]

I reread the NA's latest arc, and in the issue with Jessica talking with Luke about the Venom virus I realized something:

JESSICA JONES IS A SKRULL!!!!!!! I am 100% sure about it!

I'm 99.9% sure you're wrong, but 100% sure that papa Cage is the the Skrull.

[Will.S]

Some news on the Secret Invasion #1 Director's Cut.

Due out in July:

SECRET INVASION DIRECTOR'S CUT # 1: Go behind the scenes of the event that will change the Marvel Universe forever! The shape-shifting alien race known as the Skrulls has secretly infiltrated every super-powered organization on Earth with one goal: full-scale invasion! Now, get closer to the action than ever before! This bonus edition reprints SECRET INVASION #1 in its entirety – plus the SECRET INVASION PROLOGUE, previously available only online, and other choice extras! Something for the weekend perhaps?!?So far this director's cut looks like it's really going to be worth it.

[joemagnum611]

I'm 99.9% sure you're wrong, but 100% sure that papa Cage is the the Skrull.

Jessica is the Skrull Queen

[OMGIMSOCRUNK]

Re-reading this from months ago turned up something interesting...

Bendis mentions that NA #40 has one of his favorite reveals. Soooo... Would this mean that Spider-Woman has in fact been revealed as a Skrull after all, despite the speculation otherwise? Personally, I was leaning towards believing the theories about her being the real deal, but not so much now.

[spiderslime]

I just don't know what to believe about Spiderwoman. Bendis has done a good job on confusing me and leaving me second guessing all my assumptions about who I think might be a skrull. Sigh, it's all a bit much...

But my money'd be on Spider-woman. I dunno, it seems a little bit obvious if you ask me. I mean, I know that there is a skrull who looks like spiderwoman but whether or not the original spider-woman's dead or not, well, time will tell.

[scouse mouse]

There is a bit of news about Super Skrulls and pencil preview pages from SI:3.
http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.3592.Super-Skrull_Showdown
EDIT: Towards the bottom of the page, there is a two page spread that looks to me like it reveals the Skrull imposter in Thunderbolts! Mainly because CM appears to have killed them! Marvel are spoiling a lot of reveals!
There is a picture that confirms fans of Spider Woman worst fears, but for some reason it won't show up when I insert the image?
http://marvel.com/i/content/st/1135new_storyimage9589466_full.jpg

[Will.S]

There is a bit of news about Super Skrulls and pencil preview pages from SI:3.
http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.3592.Super-Skrull_Showdown
Man SI #3 looks great so far, the Super Skrulls are kicking ass, T-Bolts being dealt with.... it's exactly what I wanted to see from #2.

[firstmode]

My prediction is that there will be 1 Avengers team after Secret Invasion.

I think the book will be Called "The Avengers" and will have:

Captain America (Bucky)
Thor
Iron Man (Once Nick Furey Leads Shield again)
Ms. Marvel
Wonderman
The Sentry
Luke Cage
Hawkeye (or Whatever his new name is)

I also Think the SHRA will go away and the heros will shed their allegiance to Shield and it will be BECAUSE NICK FUREY WANTS IT THAT WAY.

[agrich]

So basically you're predicting that Marvel will choose to make half as much money by publishing only one best-selling monthly Avengers book rather than two.

The Father of Modern Economics Adam Smith and I both think you're wrong.

[Mr. Earl Brooks]

Nick Fury shooting Ms. Marvel leads me to believe he won't be returning to any kind of prominent position any time soon. That's pretty hardcore, to the degree that is reminscent of his exile in the first place.

I think, if any thing, Fury will be leading his type of agency that is similar to Shield, granted though, much smaller and underground. Fury will still be the guy that makes the tough decisions and does what's necessary, but he won't be doing it with government granted authority from now on. Which sounds fun.

If Thor and Luke Cage just forgive Iron Man, I'm going to be pissed. I also think that Bucky should remain on his own for a while. I don't think he's ready to be a Captain America that's as prominent as an Avengers leading Captain America.

Your Avengers team looks like a sausage fest as well. Throw in Black Widow and maybe a recovered Jessica Drew, and maybe you're on the way to a possible reunion, but as has been pointed out, the laws of financial physics makes it unlikely.

[Thursaiz]

Perhaps, in the absence of a Cap like figure, Nick Fury will go with New Avengers if they remain underground. That said, I am very interested in his new team. I'd like them to get their own book, even if it is a limited series.

Thor shouldn't be part of the Avengers yet. He is the leader of his own team of super-beings. Bucky doesn't need a team, either. I'd like to see Black Widow in a permanent showcase with Bucky, as I think the two work well.

I'm curious if The Hood and his gang help the heroes out to repel the alien invaders, do some of them get pardoned?

[Asian_Invasion]

I'm curious if The Hood and his gang help the heroes out to repel the alien invaders, do some of them get pardoned?

Did the Thunderbolt army during the Civil War get a pardon?

[anthony!]

Much like House of M leaving the whereabouts of Professor X a mystery.... so too will Secret Invasion not answer where all the replaced characters are...

we could have a cosmic Avengers series dedicated to finding them! hahahaha.

[SeritoNiN]

anyone who thought this series would bring any closure doesn't read Bendis much. Marvel will continue to milk away the invasion well after the initial mini, hell, will the heroes even get out of the savage land by # 8???

[Bamf25]

My bet is still that the last page of SI issue 8 is going to be a big Skrull reveal.

From the little information we have the new Spider-Woman series sound like it will be dealing with a Spider_woman (notice I said a not the), dealing with the aftermath.

[bjtrdff]

I kinda disagree with the loose threads idea.

I think that through the main book, and moreso in the avengers books, that we'll get the story on most of the big gun characters.

I mean realistically, we know/will know the story behind most of the big reveals so far between the other books. Electra is being done now, we'll get Spider-Woman resolution at some point (assuming Jessica Drew is the star of the coming series), and Pym has been done, to some degree.

I'd say that towards the end of the series, we'll get some serious sassing of the skrulls (i.e. rescue of Reed Richards, possibly other captured heroes) and some info.

[Seikun21]

In this week's My Cup O' Joe (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=92159514&blogID=413993132), Tom Brevoort released 4 pages from Secret Invasion 5.

I'm just going to post them all page here.

http://creative.myspace.com/groups/_mcb/mycupojoe/week017/SECINV005002_col.jpg

http://creative.myspace.com/groups/_mcb/mycupojoe/week017/SECINV005003_col.jpg

http://creative.myspace.com/groups/_mcb/mycupojoe/week017/secinv005011copy.jpg

[Seikun21]

http://creative.myspace.com/groups/_mcb/mycupojoe/week017/secinv005019copy.jpg

[Will.S]

Great looking pages there.

[anthony!]

My bet is still that the last page of SI issue 8 is going to be a big Skrull reveal.

From the little information we have the new Spider-Woman series sound like it will be dealing with a Spider_woman (notice I said a not the), dealing with the aftermath.

a returned jessica drew becomes an agent of S.W.O.R.D. in order to track down the missing MU characters and inact a little retribution? perhaps?

[DeniseXfrost]

My, the White queen hasn't revealed as a skrull yet..I'm a bit worried now.

[TotalWorldDomination]

Finaly! Back to Norman! If history proves anything Norman will want a gun bigger then Nick Fury had.

And I can't wait for Agent Brand and Reed Richards to take over the skrull ship and somehow use it to take out the Armada.

Looks good.

[Will.S]

The preview also looks kind of weird, almost as if the skrulls and the Avengers are cooperating with each other.

[Bamf25]

Does this prove Mockingbird as non Skrull as she is siding with Hawkeye, as opposed to the others who appear to be protecting the Queen? And did Thor run his but down to the Savage land to retrieve the Avengers (I forget if there was a fake thor on the ship).

No I think this shows the White Queen, as well as old Ms Marvel, and a third not sure female char as skrulls if you look at the panel they are facing down spidy who is flanked by current Cage. The camera pans to the next panel and we see current Cage, Natasha, wolvie backing real Spidy. So this White Queen and others are facing off against confirmed reals. Thus Skrulls.

Brand freeing Richards looks great, maybe we finally find out her power.

I wonder what Osbourn says to Marvel that gives him brain freeze and makes him fly off in a rage. Then O get his gun on, and seems to tell the military they are going in.

Can we get the nothing happens people to agree something happens in these 4 pages?

[Bamf25]

a returned jessica drew becomes an agent of S.W.O.R.D. in order to track down the missing MU characters and inact a little retribution? perhaps?


This is my bet also. She also will have to rebuild her reputation. The current MU knows the skrully version not the real SW. So she will have to trake down more Skrulls, rebuild her reputation, and rediscover how she fits into the world. Sounds like at least 2 years of stories to me, mroe than enough to keep a solo ongoing interesting.

[Seikun21]

Does this prove Mockingbird as non Skrull as she is siding with Hawkeye, as opposed to the others who appear to be protecting the Queen? And did Thor run his but down to the Savage land to retrieve the Avengers (I forget if there was a fake thor on the ship).

No I think this shows the White Queen, as well as old Ms Marvel, and a third not sure female char as skrulls if you look at the panel they are facing down spidy who is flanked by current Cage. The camera pans to the next panel and we see current Cage, Natasha, wolvie backing real Spidy. So this White Queen and others are facing off against confirmed reals. Thus Skrulls.

Brand freeing Richards looks great, maybe we finally find out her power.

I wonder what Osbourn says to Marvel that gives him brain freeze and makes him fly off in a rage. Then O get his gun on, and seems to tell the military they are going in.

Can we get the nothing happens people to agree something happens in these 4 pages?

There was a Thor on the Skrull ship. I think the other female beside Ms. Marvel and the White Queen is Jewel. They're all probably Skrulls, but knowing Bendis he'll drag out the guessing game just a little bit longer.

And look Iron Fist is helping up Echo. She's okay folks.

[Winter Bolt]

I will need a wrap up of Extreme Vengeance (with optional violence) with a selection of heroes (send Sentry and Void, let wackiness and insanity ensue) that go into space and just wack the hell out of a few Skrull Planets to tell them whose the man. Kill their gods, fine. Send them packing, fine. Peace Treaty, not fine. I am going to need to see a major ass kicking on a galactic scale to tell these interstellar rednecks they made a boo boo. Earth needs to blow up a throne world or two just for Vision.

Also, SI 8 better darn well have a huge cliff hanger and reveal.

[Bamf25]

Is anyone else getting the impression that it is not just Richards that Brand is going to free on that ship? If that is their tourcher/tribunal ship, we could see Reed be just the 1st hero found and released (read Jessica Drew). We know that the Skrull have lost their main world, so logic would follow that the bulk of that fleet could be Skrull believers coming to colonize Earth. Thus important things (like catured hero) would be on those ships.

I know this somewhat contradicts the Queen stating Iron Man was to stand trial on the thrown world, but figured I would throw it out there.

[CMBMOOL]

I'm thinking that there may not be a S.H.I.E.L.D once SI is over, due to the lack of protection from the other countries. I can see S.W.O.R.D replacing S.H.I.E.L.D in the protection of the Earth. :tongue:


So either way Iron Man is setting himself up for a BIG FALL.

[frog]

Go Agent Brand!

[Bamf25]

I'm thinking that there may not be a S.H.I.E.L.D once SI is over, due to the lack of protection from the other countries. I can see S.W.O.R.D replacing S.H.I.E.L.D in the protection of the Earth. :tongue:


So either way Iron Man is setting himself up for a BIG FALL.

I think it is safe at this point to say a HUGH portion of Shield is actually Skrulls.

[Bingo!]

Does this prove Mockingbird as non Skrull as she is siding with Hawkeye, as opposed to the others who appear to be protecting the Queen? And did Thor run his but down to the Savage land to retrieve the Avengers (I forget if there was a fake thor on the ship).

No I think this shows the White Queen, as well as old Ms Marvel, and a third not sure female char as skrulls if you look at the panel they are facing down spidy who is flanked by current Cage. The camera pans to the next panel and we see current Cage, Natasha, wolvie backing real Spidy. So this White Queen and others are facing off against confirmed reals. Thus Skrulls.
I can see those panels filled with "We're real, who are you?" or "I'm a Skrull?! No, you're a Skrull!!!" My money is on Mockingbird being the only legit hero on from that ship.
There was a Thor on the Skrull ship. I think the other female beside Ms. Marvel and the White Queen is Jewel. They're all probably Skrulls, but knowing Bendis he'll drag out the guessing game just a little bit longer.
The time that elapsed from SI1 one the Avengers were in the Savage Land to SI4 is maybe 30 minutes tops. This entire arc is a slow motion examination of how quickly and easily the Skrulls... well, succeeded.
Also, SI 8 better darn well have a huge cliff hanger and reveal.
I heard SI5 is suppose to have another "big" reveal. I hope it's more than just Skrull from the ship revealed as a Skrull. I want to know if anyone else has infiltrated either New or Mighty!

[Mark_S]

I'm thinking that there may not be a S.H.I.E.L.D once SI is over, due to the lack of protection from the other countries. I can see S.W.O.R.D replacing S.H.I.E.L.D in the protection of the Earth. :tongue:


So either way Iron Man is setting himself up for a BIG FALL.

Trouble is SWORD is the group that took Peter, faked his death and experimented/tortured him for years, and Brand was in charge of that. I can't really see anything stopping them from doing that again and again if they are put in charge of defending Earth. Brand wouldn't have a problem with it.

Mark_S

[Ronald Bryan]

Trouble is SWORD is the group that took Peter, faked his death and experimented/tortured him for years, and Brand was in charge of that. I can't really see anything stopping them from doing that again and again if they are put in charge of defending Earth. Brand wouldn't have a problem with it.

Mark_S
But nobody really likes mutants, so that's OK.

[Asian_Invasion]

Yes, we finally see more of Hawkeye and Mockingbird. I just hope at the end that Mockingbird is not a skrull.

[frog]

Trouble is SWORD is the group that took Peter, faked his death and experimented/tortured him for years, and Brand was in charge of that. I can't really see anything stopping them from doing that again and again if they are put in charge of defending Earth. Brand wouldn't have a problem with it.

Mark_S

Beast would have a big problem with it, and considering Brand offered him a position in SWORD and is also now his lover, I think things might be different now.

[GraemeT]

Just an observation, which may not mean anything, but when doc strange did his mojo on the new avengers to show their "true" selves most were in some way analogous or metaphorical

doc - a doctor, healer
iron fist + wolverine - warriors, noble types
spidey - a child
clint + echo - their heros, who they want to be

but

jessica + like - their old selves, not really deep, just an old costume, not luke as family man, not jess as detective mum, just as the very same people who have just stepped out of a skrull ship?

oohhhhhh:eek:

like i say may not really mean much, but got me thinking, they may not know it but what if they were BOTH skrulls

As for the others who came out the ship dont think that many other than mockingbird jess and luke may be the real deal (mabey wonder man)
dont think they'd to play with anyone who is'nt one of bendis's toys.

Wold like skrull reveals to stay avay from the x-verse, mini looks good tho but x-men get shook up enougth.
Beast, Jean, Emma - Lots of development in x-men emma still seen in solicits months from now - not that it means anything, but is marvel really dumb nuff to skrull a character then still have them in other books?

[Will.S]

Just an observation, which may not mean anything, but when doc strange did his mojo on the new avengers to show their "true" selves most were in some way analogous or metaphorical

doc - a doctor, healer
iron fist + wolverine - warriors, noble types
spidey - a child
clint + echo - their heros, who they want to be

but

jessica + like - their old selves, not really deep, just an old costume, not luke as family man, not jess as detective mum, just as the very same people who have just stepped out of a skrull ship?

oohhhhhh:eek:

like i say may not really mean much, but got me thinking, they may not know it but what if they were BOTH skrulls

As for the others who came out the ship dont think that many other than mockingbird jess and luke may be the real deal (mabey wonder man)
dont think they'd to play with anyone who is'nt one of bendis's toys.

Wold like skrull reveals to stay avay from the x-verse, mini looks good tho but x-men get shook up enougth.
Beast, Jean, Emma - Lots of development in x-men emma still seen in solicits months from now - not that it means anything, but is marvel really dumb nuff to skrull a character then still have them in other books?
That's a pretty interesting observation actually.