Ways to Fix UFF and UXM

[Vapour Trail]

Ultimate FF went downhill after God War. And President Thor was kind of weak too. Why not bring back Namor. It seemed like such a great Ultimization. An Atlantean prisoner so dangerous and powerful they had to lock him up and throw away the key.

With the FF releasing Namor you'd think the story arc would be SHIELD putting them in charge of putting Namor back in his box. The hunt begins. We learn more about Namor, a character people like and respond to. We forgo having a whole third of an issue devoted to another origin story and get straight to the drama.

Instead we got Diablo, the arc no one asked for. And heck let's Ultimize a character that just got Ultimized a year ago, the Silver Surfer. Kind of a quick reboot with that one.

The reason USM works is because Bendis is creating drama with characters he's already established. UFF and UXM don't because every issue is about introducing a new characters. In almost every single issue Kirkman introduced a new character or in the case of Emma Frost completely changed a character.

Loeb has fallen into the same trap IMHO. Changing Valk, Thor, and Wasp and introducing Black Panther, all in his first issue. Heck if people liked Thor, Wasp etc. in Ultimates 1 and 2 why reboot them into different versions? How about giving us a STORY instead.

[Ramirez IV]

Yeah, I'll second that. I think it's time for the whole line to take a quick breather and look back at what was good over the past few years and what can be used again. Maybe with Ultimate Origins coming along we'll see some creative uses for second storylines of popular characters and ideas. For the record, here's what I want to see returned to or followed up on;

Spider Man: The forthcoming Venom and Carnage arc, and please, MORE GWEN STACY

X Men: Hell, I don't care as long as we get a good writer. More Magneto would be cool, but other than that some more Longshot or (I can dream) Gambit.

Fantastic Four: Namor, definitley, Plus more Silver Surfer. That last panel of him looking all lonely was so cool.

Ultimates: Hmm. Hulk is a given I suppose, but I always had a soft spot for the Black Widow. She'd make a great villain if she wasn't... y'know, dead and impaled.

[Omega Alpha]

Ultimate Fantastic Four has never been better. Carey is doing a great job.

Ultimate X-men is a trainwreck under Kirkman. The book can only work again with a massive reboot, and almost everything he did being either retconned or just ignored.

[MaxofSteel]

Personally I like the fact that UFF continues to introduce new ultimized characters. It keeps things fresh and different each time. The Surfer arc was great. I much prefer this version of the Surfer over the Gahlaktus variety.

And although the Diablo and Red Ghost arcs leave something to be desired, at least we get to see Ult Thanos again.

[togeteiku42]

they should do a UFF story featuring the new Silver Surfer and the Gah Lak Tus Silver Surfer.

[dreyga2000]

UXM needs a new writer, more grounded plots- aka no time travel-, preferably original cast, and it's orginal concept to return-you know school mutant protecting a world that fears and hates them.

UFF has hit of miss I luved God War and Silver Surfer but I depised Devils and Ghosts... Quite frnakly as long as Carey stays away from the more grounded storylines I'll be okay

[Slyfer]

UFF died when Mark Millar and Warren Ellis left :( , Mike is just a life line, Although I am looking forward to his Thanos run :)

[Canemacar]

How to fix UFF: Let Carey keep writing it.....And bring back Namor.

How to fix UXM: Let Grant Morrison go nuts on it.

[Mr. Koologne]

Yes, I hope someone can save UXM. Kirkman's run was just dreadful, and it's true to many characters were introduced when the main cast hasn't had that much development. And just keep it to the main cast, maybe have Nightcrawler, Rogue and Shadowcat as support for the time being. Though I love Rogue, I just feel the first X-men should get more time first then have a transition into other characters.

[Expletive Deleted]

UFF needs Ferry back. Carey and Ferry together are aces. Carey and the cast of artists who've subbed for (and will be replacing) Ferry are not.

UXM? I dunno. It was always the most superfluous Ultimate title.

[DaeJi]

UFF is amazing as is. And Grant Morrison on UXM would be perfect.

[Scorpion13]

UFF is amazing as is. And Grant Morrison on UXM would be perfect.

I honestly dont know why people hate UFF so much. Its pretty decent.

I mean, it gets props from me for making Diablo an interesting villain instead of, you know, lame. Stan Lee agrees with me, and he made the damn guy!

[jadrax]

UFF is a pretty good concept, the cast is pretty solid as is the setup, its just a few of the stories have been a bit hit or miss.

UXM is currently a train wreck. The cast is currently not interesting, and it just seems to be going through a retelling of the inventory of worst xmen stories ever. This book needs to get back to basics, which is after all what most people seem to want from the ultimate universe.

[Froggy]

Personally I like the fact that UFF continues to introduce new ultimized characters. It keeps things fresh and different each time. The Surfer arc was great. I much prefer this version of the Surfer over the Gahlaktus variety.

And although the Diablo and Red Ghost arcs leave something to be desired, at least we get to see Ult Thanos again.

Yeah, this surfer and psycho man ahd a pretty cool relationship. wanan see seed nineteen again too

[vampireboy97]

If I could fix UFF, I would probably put Richards in court for always f**king up things with his inventions (eg. bringing zombies over to ultimate universe, dragging the silver surfer and thus the psycho man over to the world, crashing his plane into las vegas, etc)

After that i would make sure that sue leaves him for namor, and then have doom cure ben and have everyone hate reed until he decides to stop being a wussy jacka**

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sorry, i just needed to get that out of the way.
alright, first for UFF, i would bring back namor, work on developing chemistry between him and sue, get the skrulls back and make them collect secretly collect samples of hair or skin from the FF.

next i would explain how doom found a way to come back from the zombie universe and work for shield and i would have johnny and sue's mom make regular appearances with hints that she has mastered the atlantians magics and found the infinity gaunlet among the atlantian possessions and then have her come to the FF for help because Black Bolt's Inhumans are raiding her lab looking for it. maybe it can explain later that it once belonged to the inhumans before the atlantians stole or something.

that i how i would fix UFF.

[vampireboy97]

ok, now for UXM.

first i would have doc cornelius hurry the f**k up and clone X23 from that of flesh that sabertooth ripped out of wolverine and brought to him.

and bring back deathstrike while you're at it.

next, i'd continue milking the fact that cable is and old wolverine, plus i would pit bishop's x-men against scott's x-men.

other then that, i would really change that much.

except maybe find out what the hell's going on with nightcrawler.

[Prime24]

UFF is a pretty good concept, the cast is pretty solid as is the setup, its just a few of the stories have been a bit hit or miss.

UXM is currently a train wreck. The cast is currently not interesting, and it just seems to be going through a retelling of the inventory of worst xmen stories ever. This book needs to get back to basics, which is after all what most people seem to want from the ultimate universe.

wow. judging from the posts. people do like UFF. I think the cast is definitely
more interesting than 616 FF. Can't stand the regular book. let's see if Milliar and Hitch can change that.
Kirkman needs to get off UXM NOWWW! I can't believe marvel let him run the book to the ground. Issue 93 is still too far. With all the loose plotholes, I don't think anything good can come out of a freaking four issue Apocalypse arc. U guys only need read BKV's "Magnetic North' arc to see how great this book can be. That was one of the best stories i've ever read. Just as everyone's being saying the book needs to get back to basics. I wish Kirkman could leave this month.

[Vapour Trail]

Magnetic North was IMO the last good UXM arc.

[vampireboy97]

Magnetic North was IMO the last good UXM arc.

Dude, seriously, you don't think that the current storyline is any good?
Cable revealing to be an older Wolverine,
faking Prof. X's death,
Magneto getting up to something as he calls Mastermind to replace Mystique in the Triskelion,
Bishop revealed to be working with Cable,
Emma Frost revealed to actually be in the new Hellfire Club,
and Beast escaping SHIELD with new info in the Legacy Virus.

And with Sinister about to be ressurrected, are you telling me that you don't find that interesting?

:confused:

[ThePhenom]

Dude, seriously, you don't think that the current storyline is any good?
Cable revealing to be an older Wolverine,
faking Prof. X's death,
Magneto getting up to something as he calls Mastermind to replace Mystique in the Triskelion,
Bishop revealed to be working with Cable,
Emma Frost revealed to actually be in the new Hellfire Club,
and Beast escaping SHIELD with new info in the Legacy Virus.

And with Sinister about to be ressurrected, are you telling me that you don't find that interesting?

:confused:

You'll generally find that people are aversive to Kirkman's UXM run due to his many lingering storylines (as you mentioned) and his renewel of many old and generally undesirable storylines.

I personally agree that his whole run has been awful, but I am a little curious to see what comes of all of this, good or bad.

[Prime24]

Dude, seriously, you don't think that the current storyline is any good?
Cable revealing to be an older Wolverine,
faking Prof. X's death,
Magneto getting up to something as he calls Mastermind to replace Mystique in the Triskelion,
Bishop revealed to be working with Cable,
Emma Frost revealed to actually be in the new Hellfire Club,
and Beast escaping SHIELD with new info in the Legacy Virus.

And with Sinister about to be ressurrected, are you telling me that you don't find that interesting?

:confused:

they are all fantastic plots and storylines if they were handled properly. why couldn't kirkman take each plot and conclude them in a 3-4 part storyline and at the same time have the apocalypse threat looming throughout his run until the end.due to the fact that his plots keep on lingering i don't feel any sense of urgency or direction in his run. i guess that's why a lot of people also complained that the book is convoluted.I mean think about it by issue 93 he would have written 28 issues and besides beast coming back (why he did this is beyond me, beast doesn't act like he did, he may be a skrull (lol)), cable being wolverine and perhaps apocalypse has nothing to show for his run.
Millar made every character cool,
1)Xavier was shady but not in a cheesy way or done simply for shock value
2) Cyclops was cool. he was a nerd with a 'hero complex'. I loved his goatee
3) Jean was unreal. smart, sexy and independent not a nagging whiner like her
616 counterpart
4) Storm, beast, colossus, kitty, iceman were all great.
5) Wolverine was the ultimate badass. Trying to kill cyclops in order to be with jean was a defining moment for the character.
Bendis(with 12 or 13 issues) did a great job especially introducing most characters in the academy of tomorow, DAZZLER, angel, Admiral Stryker etc and giving wolverine a chance @ redemption. Killing beast was shocking. i loved these characters because they had flaws and felt real. He had a fantastic issue where Fury had wolverine kill a boy whose powers were out of control. If comic had an awards, that issue would have one something.
Brian K Vaughan was da man. His stories might not have had the cinmeatic michael bay- mark millar type action but he worked on the low key characters and brought them to the forefront (Iceman,Rogue especially, Kitty pryde, dazzler etc). He hooked up Logan and Ororo, Killed gambit and don't forget magnetic north. Plus he had the stand alone issue,another award-type issue where professor x was in a bank robbery scenario
Now kirkman.... gee with the exception of Date Night and the actual Cable Arc,little info on the Legacy virus nothing stands out.The dialogue and characterization are so bland.Nobody's cool even cable.His sentinel arc would have been the bomb if he had created them like the sentinel Prime storyline where the sentinels could move about undetected. Kinda like Agents in the matrix trilogy. Nightcrawler at age 14 should not lead an underground rebel group known as the morlocks.Pyro's terrible and should be killed, Psylocke's o.k but should not act like a teen and I hope they get to wear their REAL costumes soon, i can't stand Paquette's costumes. OOps....i'm rambling again aren't I?

[Nefarius]

Make both UFF and UXM a deal with Mephisto so everyone of us to forget every crappy moment and retain all the good parts.

[Zero Hunter]

They seriously made Cable and older version of Wolverine?!? Wow that just sounds aweful on so many different levels. I stopped getting the trades for UXM after Magnetic North, and it sounds like I did the right thing.

[Mister Mets]

Given their low sales, Ultimate Fantastic Four and Ultimate X-men need big overhauls.

There should be more care taken to give Ultimate Fantastic Four more commercial storylines. Since Millar left, the only really commercial story was the Silver Surfer five parter. I believe the biggest recent mistake for Ultimate Fantastic Four was making Ultimate Power a mini series as opposed to a nine issue Ultimate Fantastic Four arc.

Marvel made a huge mistake keeping Kirkman on the title, when sales kept declining. The best approach for the next writer I think would be accessible epics, the equivalent of an X-Men movie every six months (essentially the approach Millar used for the title when it was Marvel's best-selling book.)