am i the only one unimpressed by messiah complex?

[Callisto]

i find myself not at all caring about this mutant baby or the x-mens betrayer or this whole time jumping crap etc? this whole storyline bores me to tears and i hate how it interfers with other books storylines.

[Beast]

Yes.

And how is it interfering? You realize that Brubaker, Carey, PAD, and Kyle/Yost all got together and planned this storyline out, right? And that they built up to it in the storylines they were doing pre-Messiah Complex.

[Quinnhop]

Yeah, I don't see how it interferes with any book (except for New X-Men).

They all planned it out together, it's moving a good number of their characters forward, and it's telling an interesting story with a surprisingly decent pace.

If anything, I'm more impressed than I expected to be.

That said, I'm confused as to why so much is being changed post-Complex. It seems to me that if they planned it all out together, they would make sure all of their stories would be continued afterwards--which, in the case of New X-Men, I am fearful that it won't.

[RickyD410]

I dont think it interferes. As Beast said, it was all planned out very well. It flowed perfectly. I loved all the stories that led up to it (except Uncanny's. That was blech).

I do like Messiah CompleX. I'm not in love with it, but I'm certainly enjoying it quite a bit!

[Pach!]

You're not alone in not liking it.

[frog]

You may not be the only one, but you are vastly outnumbered by those of us enjoying Messiah Complex.

What was the point of this thread? It falls under the opinion rule as there is already a MC discussion thread.

[drwho]

Evidently not the only one, but one of the few. ;)

[GLover]

I tried swearing off marvel after world war hulk (what a crap ending!), so I resisted mesiah complex. To be honest though, now I kinda feel like I missed the bus.

[frog]

I tried swearing off marvel after world war hulk (what a crap ending!), so I resisted mesiah complex. To be honest though, now I kinda feel like I missed the bus.

Well, you can always read the trade.

[rage6839]

Not happy with it. As some have mentioned it seems to be no more than a variant of the 90's cartoon, Bishop treacherous turn, lack of Storm and New X-Men unless they are chow for PredX. The good thing is the New X-Force book.

[podmark]

It's not prefect but overall I've liked the story. My biggest issues would be pacing and the fact that Predator X so far doesn't seem to belong in the story (even though the jokes made about him keep me grinning).

[Beast]

I tried swearing off marvel after world war hulk (what a crap ending!), so I resisted mesiah complex. To be honest though, now I kinda feel like I missed the bus.
Feel lucky that you missed the bus. You could have wound up like those poor New X-Men kids. ;)

[Carencey]

I'm digging the characters in it, but i tend to agree that they've done a poor job giving a reason why anyone should care about the baby or why the baby is important. It's the first new mutant. So what? Why is the kid so important and tons of mutants need to die. Trading one new mutant for a dozen or so existing mutants means their going to go extinct sooner.

The rationale for why what's happening has been the problem. The big revelation on why Cable didn't tell the X-Men he was alive and didn't go to them for help is stupid.

On the surface Messiah Complex has soon cool fights, but dig deeper and there isn't much there.

[frog]

I'm digging the characters in it, but i tend to agree that they've done a poor job giving a reason why anyone should care about the baby or why the baby is important. It's the first new mutant. So what? Why is the kid so important and tons of mutants need to die. Trading one new mutant for a dozen or so existing mutants means their going to go extinct sooner.

The rationale for why what's happening has been the problem. The big revelation on why Cable didn't tell the X-Men he was alive and didn't go to them for help is stupid.

On the surface Messiah Complex has soon cool fights, but dig deeper and there isn't much there.

Marvel spent a lot of time explaining why that baby is so important in the build up to MC.

[Beast]

Marvel spent a lot of time explaining why that baby is so important in the build up to MC.
Exactly. Endangered Species set-up perfectly why the child is so important.

[drwho]

Also the kid was actually born a mutant right. With powers at birth? Maybe I'm wrong, but mutants usually kick in when puberty hits and I think this one has them now so makes it kind of special.

[Beast]

Also the kid was actually born a mutant right. With powers at birth? Maybe I'm wrong, but mutants usually kick in when puberty hits and I think this one has them now so makes it kind of special.
Not all. Beast, Nightcrawler, Multiple Man, Beak & Angel's kids, etc were all born X-Gene active.

[frog]

However, the baby is implied to be extraordinarily powerful to have fried Cerebra and possibly be able to block the Cuckoos.

[RickyD410]

Not all. Beast, Nightcrawler, Multiple Man, Beak & Angel's kids, etc were all born X-Gene active.

X-Factor revealed that Madrox isnt a mutant because of that fact. He's like a mutant, maybe a sub-species of mutant, but he isnt the same type of mutant that Cyclops, Shadowcat, or Colossus are.

[Beast]

X-Factor revealed that Madrox isnt a mutant because of that fact. He's like a mutant, maybe a sub-species of mutant, but he isnt the same type of mutant that Cyclops, Shadowcat, or Colossus are.
No. Again, he's still a mutant. But he's a throwback, to when all mutants manifested at birth.

It's also one of the outright stupidest ideas ever presented in the comics.

If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, it's a duck.

[Carencey]

Marvel spent a lot of time explaining why that baby is so important in the build up to MC.

Well, it didn't work. It's one mutant. It's not like all mutants are being repowered. It's not going to stop them from being extinct.

Why is this baby more important than Caliban? Why should a bunch of mutants die for one baby?

[frog]

Well, it didn't work. It's one mutant. It's not like all mutants are being repowered. It's not going to stop them from being extinct.

Why is this baby more important than Caliban? Why should a bunch of mutants die for one baby?

Up until now not a single mutant baby had been born. Everyone is obviously going to want to know why and how this one occurred.

Also, the baby is the very first sign of hope, and is important for that as well.

[Brett P]

i find myself not at all caring about this mutant baby or the x-mens betrayer or this whole time jumping crap etc? this whole storyline bores me to tears and i hate how it interfers with other books storylines.

I feel you. I really do.

[Luck911]

I like Messiah,It is a good story,People expect crossover huge earth shattering affairs,messiah is big story,but it has a low key feel.Messiah has it hits and misses

Misses

-Wall falls on Elixir
-Nightcrawler teleport Exodus and defeat him
-Mystique some how manages to hurt Sinster
-Pred-X running around doing nothing
-Skunk Girl shooting at Sentinel with a shotgun


Hits

-You knew betrayal was coming but Mystique taking out sinster is still a little shocking
- X-23 stabbing Lady Deathstrike was cool blooded
- Angel telling Sinster to read his mind,Then Acolytes and Marauders realizing their numbers advantage isn't huge as they think.

The big flaw in Messiah is the surprises are predictable,Bishop is the traitor,Cable is alive,Madrox clone dying,etc you can see the stuff coming.Messiah has about two issue left and good ending will make for averageness of story so far.

[Canemacar]

Messiah complex has been hit-or-miss for me thus far. The writing is pretty tight for the most part(Bru, I'm looking at you), but the plotting annoys me.

[Wade_Wilsons_Tailor]

I'm lovin it, but the last issue was kind of random throughout the book. Really f$#%ed up the flow for me anyways. But all in all, this is one of the coolest storylines I've read since Civil War

[DeadXMan]

the clone had to die in order to get the info to the team
the grenade in the crouch was a surprise though.

[Beast]

Misses

-Wall falls on Elixir
Agreed. The character needs to be powered down or given some limits. He's horribly twinky at the moment, and you get bad writing like this to remove him from being the Deus Ex Machina.
-Nightcrawler teleport Exodus and defeat him
Again, another character who's far too powerful and ends up having to be removed from the fight in an unsatisfying way. What Nightcrawler did works fine, as it would Exodus a while to fly back.
-Mystique some how manages to hurt Sinster
Yeah, but if it's done how most are suspecting it's done.... it makes sense. Rogue's Death Touch and powerset is a pretty good match for dealing with Sinister's wonky powers. Plus like he won't come back. He always has a back-up plan. And a back-up of himself around. He's too good of a baddy to stay down.
-Pred-X running around doing nothing
I wouldn't say he's doing nothing. Just that it's mostly been a B-story so far. So far. ;)
-Skunk Girl shooting at Sentinel with a shotgun
I doubt it was a shotgun. She did bring a whole arsenal of advanced space weapons back with her, as we saw in Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire. She was getting them out when the crap hit the fan.

[Wade_Wilsons_Tailor]

the clone had to die in order to get the info to the team
the grenade in the crouch was a surprise though.

Yeah that came out of no where, but does Jamie's dupes know that they have to kill themselves in order to give the info to the main Jamie? Do they want to kill themselves or do they want to go live their own lives?

...lol reminds me of that movie The Prestige

[Canemacar]

Yeah, but if it's done how most are suspecting it's done.... it makes sense. Rogue's Death Touch and powerset is a pretty good match for dealing with Sinister's wonky powers. Plus like he won't come back. He always has a back-up plan. And a back-up of himself around. He's too good of a baddy to stay down.

Sinister looked as if he had been stabbed or bludgeoned to death. Rogue's death-touch isn't that messy; the nurse on Providence died without a mark on her.

Besides, the writer fiat-ness of it is very grating.

[Beast]

Yeah that came out of no where, but does Jamie's dupes know that they have to kill themselves in order to give the info to the main Jamie? Do they want to kill themselves or do they want to go live their own lives?

...lol reminds me of that movie The Prestige
Jamie assumed that Forge had a way of bringing them back after they gathered info. Forge didn't tell him until after they were sent, that he mentally imprinted an order for them to kill themselves after they gathered the info, so Jamie would get it. He was rather pissed about that, until the first one died and comatosed his ass.

[podmark]

Agreed. The character needs to be powered down or given some limits. He's horribly twinky at the moment, and you get bad writing like this to remove him from being the Deus Ex Machina.

Was there even a real reason to have him get hit by a wall? So far (the key part) the only thing his injury has done is taken Nightcrawler out of the crossover.

[jester1436]

Why is this baby more important than Caliban? Why should a bunch of mutants die for one baby?

Because the baby is the first new mutant since the Decimation and has powers that are off the chart? It seems rather obvious why the baby is so important and what it could mean to a dying species.

Ultimately, the child represents the possible reemergence of mutants as a viable group. Getting the baby means possibly understanding the potential for new mutants. And it's not like the X-Men are sending people to die - Caliban didn't die saving the baby, he died tried to save a friend and teammate, which really doesn't connect back to saving the baby, even if the situation sprung from that.

[Wade_Wilsons_Tailor]

Jamie assumed that Forge had a way of bringing them back after they gathered info. Forge didn't tell him until after they were sent, that he mentally imprinted an order for them to kill themselves after they gathered the info, so Jamie would get it. He was rather pissed about that, until the first one died and comatosed his ass.

Oh yeah thats right, but what happens to his dupes when he normally uses them? Do they suck back into his body?

[Luck911]

I doubt it was a shotgun. She did bring a whole arsenal of advanced space weapons back with her, as we saw in Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire. She was getting them out when the crap hit the fan.

It could be an advanced weapon but it looks whole lot like a shotgun.

[Beast]

Oh yeah thats right, but what happens to his dupes when he normally uses them? Do they suck back into his body?
He can absorb them back into his body when he's near to them. Aye.

[Jake V]

It could be an advanced weapon but it looks whole lot like a shotgun.

Whatever it was, it was probably the first thing she was able to grab after a Sentinel demolished her bedroom.

[Wade_Wilsons_Tailor]

He can absorb them back into his body when he's near to them. Aye.

Thats pretty f#$%in awesome, I kinda dig his character.

[Beast]

Whatever it was, it was probably the first thing she was able to grab after a Sentinel demolished her bedroom.
Other than the sheet to cover her nakedness. :D

[Tazirai]

Annihilation>Sinestro Corps Wars>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Messiah Complex.

I like it but it's not great.

[Agent_Torpor]

Yes.

And how is it interfering? You realize that Brubaker, Carey, PAD, and Kyle/Yost all got together and planned this storyline out, right? And that they built up to it in the storylines they were doing pre-Messiah Complex.

No, he's not the only one. I think the whole thing is dreary as hell and I can't wait for the books to shake out of this "forced crossover drama" finally. I'm just not thrilled by any event where the main players are Cable, Bishop, Layla, and some baby.

If I wanted crossover madness, i'd read more DC, thanks much.

[podmark]

I've liked the crossover, but I'm really hoping Marvel doesn't decide to try and pull one every year. You gotta have the right story to do a crossover.

[Liberty Belle Fan]

Compared to a lot of the event books I've been reading lately, Messiah Complex is a lot better than I initially expected.

Countdown, Countdown tie-ins, and the exceedingly awful Ra's Al Ghul crossover in the Batman books (and many other things that ended up with me dropping all DC titles) almost kept me from even picking Messiah Complex up in the first place. I gave the first one a shot and I'm hooked.

Overall the crossover has been at the top of my read pile each week, and I really can't wait to see how it concludes in the next two weeks.

[MarvelGirlBoy]

Said it before; like MC, fun ride, some nice twists, some nice characterisation, some nice set-ups, and a good overall feel. Pacing is a bit off sometimes and I can't say I'm impressed with how all the characters have been handled in it, but I think the in-crossover changes so far are good for the line.


-Wall falls on Elixir


I thought that was hilarious :D One of the funniest throwaways ever.

The big flaw in Messiah is the surprises are predictable,Bishop is the traitor,Cable is alive,Madrox clone dying,etc you can see the stuff coming.Messiah has about two issue left and good ending will make for averageness of story so far.

I like that the surprises are not genuinely core-shakingly unexpected, because that often leaves me cold. These twists have been predicted and given away in previews, but most have made a lot of sense to me, and I've liked the directiosn they've taken the crossover.

[Brian Cronin]

It's times like this that I wish we had a Messiah Complex General Discussion Threa...oh wait, a sec...

-Brian