Mighty Avengers #7 *Spoilers*

[drwho]

I'm really trying to decide what made me like this issue so much better than the others and I'm starting to feel like maybe it was the art. The art this issue just has a better flow and depicts actions better in my opinion. I won't say its Bagley's best work, but it is a great change from the Cho stuff. Also the thought bubbles were not as annoying this issue and the dialogue just seemed to flow better also. I wasn't feeling that starting and stopping feeling I got from reading previous issues.

In this issue the whole Elektra skrull body conversation takes place between Jessica and Tony. I did like the fact that Tony's reasoning for putting Drew on the team was to see if he would get any negative reactions and possibly out the skrull. I also like that the whole Carol lying to Jessica about Cap being alive was brought up here. Not much action takes place until the end where i guess the symbiote virus is released. From reading this I'm basically getting two skrull candidates. It is either Wonder Man because they made such a big show out of him and his costume in this issue, or Sentry's wife cause she mentioned to Tony that Sentry needs to be killed. As usual there was a lot of talking head scenes this issue, but they didn't grate on my nerves as much as they usually do.

[unkiedev]

Here's a few mini-review highlights:

-Jessica Drew says she can only talk to Tony if he powers down his Iron Man armor, and specifically shuts off all recording devices in the room. Tony doen't, but he says some techno mumbo jumbo like "Shut down code 4, y-89" or something to convince Jess he did. You then read a caption from his armor saying "Recording." Tony is learning espionage well.

-Tony asks Jess where Nick Fury is, partially to see what she knows but admits it's because Tony feels out of his league and wants advice. They agree Fury probably knew about the Skrulls for some time and is either underground or captured.

-Tony puts Jess on the team to help him weed out the Skrull. Carol gets angry that Tony didn't consult her and they lock horns.

-Sentry's wife talks to Tony that she loves her husband but if Tony can't depower or kill the Sentry soon she's afraid he will kill all of them. I'm pretty sure the Sentry has super hearing, and he can be seen in the background reacting with confusion.

-Ares looksa at Spider-Woman and thinks "I will have you, fair creature." Ares and Jessica sittin' in a tree!

I like that the thought balloons continue even thought the first story arch is over. I think Tony is not a Skrull because we see the guys thoughts and he seems on the level.

I don't like the new artist. Things were clear, but boring. Why is Ed Mcguiness on Hulk on not Mighty Avengers? Someone needs to step up to the plate, I think.

[Brian M.]

I would have liked this issue if it had come out when it should have. I just kept flipping the pages and going "I read about this in NA months ago". I'm done until Secret Invasion.

[Exo]

Sounds good. Is it revealed when Tony loses the goatee (judging by the preview)? Never liked the beard anyway.

I'm really trying to decide what made me like this issue so much better than the others and I'm starting to feel like maybe it was the art. The art this issue just has a better flow and depicts actions better in my opinion. I won't say its Bagley's best work, but it is a great change from the Cho stuff.

It's a shame he's leaving for DC, he's one of my favorites.

[jonwes]

I enjoyed this issue. It felt sort of like an old-fashioned hero comic with the bickering and stuff. There was a certain sense of fun to it too, I thought, amongst the seriousness.

They didn't explain Tony's goatee-lessness, and I doubt they will. I'm sure he'll show up with it for the next artist. They aren't very good about that sort of continuity. It seems to go on and off depending on the artist.

Also, I think it's better to have a poll that tells people to rate it, rather than ask if it's the best issue ever.

[DeadXMan]

maybe the extremes causes rapid facial hair growth?

tony shaves keeping the Stash
get a goatee by noon
and has a beard my night

[Beast]

I would have liked this issue if it had come out when it should have. I just kept flipping the pages and going "I read about this in NA months ago". I'm done until Secret Invasion.
Agreed. But it was a good issue. Other than Simon losing his best costume.

At least he didn't go for any of the wretched abortions that Wasp was trying to sell. ;)

Anyone else catch the shifty-eyed look of Jarvis when Tony's trying to figure out who the Skrull is? That with the focus on Jarvis in Giant-Size Avengers pretty much screams Skrull to me.

[DeadXMan]

Agreed. But it was a good issue. Other than Simon losing his best costume.

At least he didn't go for any of the wretched abortions that Wasp was trying to sell. ;)

Anyone else catch the shifty-eyed look of Jarvis when Tony's trying to figure out who the Skrull is? That with the focus on Jarvis in Giant-Size Avengers pretty much screams Skrull to me.

aye the real Jarvis would never break anything on purpose, no matter how tacky

[Dr. K]

-Sentry's wife talks to Tony that she loves her husband but if Tony can't depower or kill the Sentry soon she's afraid he will kill all of them. I'm pretty sure the Sentry has super hearing, and he can be seen in the background reacting with confusion.

I'm pretty convinced that Sentry's wife was actually killed by Ultron and is now a skrull. Her conversation with Tony makes a ton of sense, seen in that light.

I like that the thought balloons continue even thought the first story arch is over. I think Tony is not a Skrull because we see the guys thoughts and he seems on the level.

I know a lot of people don't like them, but I love the thought bubbles and thinks that Bendis uses them well. Though they're mostly one-liners, they really do help flesh out the characters. I know I wouldn't like Ares half as much without them, in any case.

[Beast]

I'm pretty convinced that Sentry's wife was actually killed by Ultron and is now a skrull. Her conversation with Tony makes a ton of sense, seen in that light.
Unlikely. We see the light from Sentry's palm flow over her face. She appears to have got brought back to life by the Sentry. There's a mystery there, but I don't think it's related to the Skrulls.

[Monty_Cristo]

Wonderman and Jarvis are skrulls.

[Red Lotus]

Anyone else catch the shifty-eyed look of Jarvis when Tony's trying to figure out who the Skrull is? That with the focus on Jarvis in Giant-Size Avengers pretty much screams Skrull to me.

Yeah that what i was thinking. He seem to have a oh $!@* look on his face.

[Beast]

Wonderman and Jarvis are skrulls.
I'm thinking Wonder Man is a definate red herring. It doesn't really fit.

[Joe Franklin]

It's a shame he's leaving for DC, he's one of my favorites.

It's a blessing to me.

All of his faces look the same, and he draws male characters that are supposed to have big arms like Ares for example, with skinny little arms like Spiderman has. DC can have Bagley.

[Samuraixsithlord]

So what was Jessica's meeting with the other Avengers like. Did the NA come up, and did Tony ask to know where they were at?

[Beast]

So what was Jessica's meeting with the other Avengers like. Did the NA come up, and did Tony ask to know where they were at?
It's roughly mentioned.

And no, because as Jess told Wolverine in NA... Tony didn't ask, because he knew she wouldn't tell.

[Brian M.]

Yea they did.

No one wanted to trust her.

Ares wanted to bag her.

Eventually she won them over.

[sodarobber]

Jarvis and Lindy I could see. But Wonderman? It just doesn't add up. One trend I noticed about the Skrulls is that they don't really drink or get drunk. If you remember in Avengers: The Initiative Annual #1, you'll notice that the team breaks out the booze after their first mission, but the Revolutionary (the Skrull) took no part in it. Wonderman looked and showed the symptoms of being a little tipsy also noticed by the Wasp.

What caught my attention was how Ms. Marvel was totally caught off guard and expressed this in thought bubbles concerning over why Stark did not tell her sooner.

Personally my money is still on Jarvis, Lindy, and Ms. Marvel.

[CaptainCanada]

What caught my attention was how Ms. Marvel was totally caught off guard and expressed this in thought bubbles concerning over why Stark did not tell her sooner.
More likely that's just a part of her ongoing leadership struggle with Tony.

I think Lindy is a Skrull. Wonder Man and Jarvis, maybe (I hadn't noticed the last one). Black Widow doesn't have any thought-bubbles, but for it to be her would be a case of 'way too obvious', since she straight out objects to Jessica being on the team (which wouldn't be smart for a Skrull, anyway) and her role in Captain America is very non-Skrullish.

My favourite part was Carol calling Wasp a hack as a costume designer, and then Wasp's obvious annoyance at Simon ending up with basically his old costume (pre-Cho).

[jackolover]

I'm Thinking Ares, or Widow. Ares had a thing for Widow in previous thought ballons, and now he is all Spider Woman? The only one who reacted to Spiderwoman was Widow. Also, wasn't that Ares all shaded black in the background of one panel?

Was that one of Starks satellites that contained the sphere that fell to earth? If so, Stark is the symbiote saboteur, and a Skrull candidate. The debris does seem to hit another vessel in orbit up there close to the disintegrating satellite, so maybe it was a spy vessel keeping close to Starks satellite. The whole symbiote infestation does seem to be an accident though.

Alright. Go to that Wonderman toast - I had the best of times, (then thinks - and the worst). Then he repeats 'and the worst', and says- 'thank you'. Like he's answering a prompted voice in his head. This felt strange when I was reading it. It now seems even stranger.

So this initial attempt to flush out a Skrull from a group, didn't work, because no Skrulls attacked. The later attempt to flush out a Skrull in Illuminati #5, does flush out a Skrull, and he attacks. Conclusion? No Skrulls in the Mighty Avengers, at least not powered, so that could make Jarvis and Lindy candidates.

[Monty_Cristo]

I'm Thinking Ares, or Widow. Ares had a thing for Widow in previous thought ballons, and now he is all Spider Woman?

she emits powerful sex pheremones.

[XPac]

I'm Thinking Ares, or Widow. Ares had a thing for Widow in previous thought ballons, and now he is all Spider Woman?

That could mean he's Skrull. Course, that could also mean he's a guy.

I'll agree that Wonderman's thought balloons are horribly awkward. He's either an obvious Skrull or a red herring.

[CaptainCanada]

I'm Thinking Ares, or Widow. Ares had a thing for Widow in previous thought ballons, and now he is all Spider Woman?
His affections are very shallow and easily-transferrable (a common trait with Greek Gods). He wants both of them.

So this initial attempt to flush out a Skrull from a group, didn't work, because no Skrulls attacked. The later attempt to flush out a Skrull in Illuminati #5, does flush out a Skrull, and he attacks. Conclusion? No Skrulls in the Mighty Avengers, at least not powered, so that could make Jarvis and Lindy candidates.
Tony wasn't expecting them to immediately come in and kill everyone; it's a long-term thing.

[Monty_Cristo]

That could mean he's Skrull. Course, that could also mean he's a guy.

I'll agree that Wonderman's thought balloons are horribly awkward. He's either an obvious Skrull or a red herring.

in Ms. Marvel's title, Simon (in thought balloons) is shown to be enjoying a super-villainous grabbing his butt. she, the leader of AIM, has frozen all of the heroes in place (to explain why they weren't fighting). the thought seemed really really off for Simon; given the similarity to that scene and the WCA Avengers one where Scarlet Witch keeps them motionless.

[Mark_S]

I don't think that Bendis has the hang of thought balloons yet. To me they seem all over the place and very heavy handed. I was amazed that Tony was surprised that the NA think he is a skrull, really what else did he expect?
I didn't like Carol's "That was different" line when Jessica brought up the Cap trap and I wonder how much Jessica lied when she said "No, that was brilliant" because she wanted to be on the team. At least we see that Carol is Tony's front person with no real authority. I amazed that she thought it would be any different.

Still the point has been made that this happened months ago, it's like a reprint of lost pages of NA. Not a bad issue, but not worth the money. I might have picked it up if they had cut the price in half.

Mark_S

[jackolover]

That could mean he's Skrull. Course, that could also mean he's a guy.

I'll agree that Wonderman's thought balloons are horribly awkward. He's either an obvious Skrull or a red herring.

Yes, Ares could be just fickle.

But Simons thought ballons in that sequence I mentioned, makes me think that Skrulls are prompting the spy from a central location, and giving them relevant dialogue for the situation. Because when the spy Skrull was talking to minder, there was no microphone, in Illuminati #5. Was it mental?

[timbox]

Great issue.


:D

[XPac]

I don't think that Bendis has the hang of thought balloons yet. To me they seem all over the place and very heavy handed. I was amazed that Tony was surprised that the NA think he is a skrull, really what else did he expect?
I didn't like Carol's "That was different" line when Jessica brought up the Cap trap and I wonder how much Jessica lied when she said "No, that was brilliant" because she wanted to be on the team. At least we see that Carol is Tony's front person with no real authority. I amazed that she thought it would be any different.

Still the point has been made that this happened months ago, it's like a reprint of lost pages of NA. Not a bad issue, but not worth the money. I might have picked it up if they had cut the price in half.

Mark_S

Carol's "that was different" line was kind of annoying... but really that's what a person in her position likely would say. And Jessia's dialogue did sort of sound insincere in regards to calling Carol's lie brilliant.

When this skrull thing is over, I wonder if Jessia will try to return to the NA, or if she'll stay with the MA.

[jackolover]

I didn't like Carol's "That was different" line when Jessica brought up the Cap trap and I wonder how much Jessica lied when she said "No, that was brilliant" because she wanted to be on the team. At least we see that Carol is Tony's front person with no real authority. I'm amazed that she thought it would be any different.

Mark_S

Yes, that was a strange conversation between Carol and Jessica. Jessica was a little too praising of that Cap tactic.

And Tony's reading Carol the real Avengers charter, was just so Tony. He really is a control freak, but it takes a Secret Invasion to show how much. Tony does have a point about it being a war situation, and not trusting anyone, but Bendis' paranoia really didn't come through in Mighty Avengers, in this issue. I suppose Tony deduced that as no attack occurred, that there were no skrulls? He still seemed unconvinced, and then was distracted with the Maria Hill callout, about the symbiotes. So you can see how the new order fits now. The Avengers are being controlled and sent on missions by the government, or Shield, whatever. Whereas, once, the Avengers learnt about any meta attacks themselves. Now, the operations are directed by Shield. No cause for concern there.

[Sheldon]

Not Bagley's best work. It looked really rushed.

The other stuff was bad. The other outfits for Simon were an abomination.

[HouseSolo]

I would have liked this issue if it had come out when it should have. I just kept flipping the pages and going "I read about this in NA months ago". I'm done until Secret Invasion.

Right on. I've definitely enjoyed NA more thus far.

Ms. Marvel is definitely a skrull, and Lindy might be. I don't think Jarvis is.

[XPac]

Not Bagley's best work. It looked really rushed.

The other stuff was bad. The other outfits for Simon were an abomination.

And yet, they were still a vast improvement over the red saffari jacket.

[Mark_S]

And yet, they were still a vast improvement over the red saffari jacket.

I think that he could go into battle nude and it would be an improvement over the safari jacket.

Mark_S

[Sheldon]

C'mon the red jacket is classy!

[Beast]

C'mon the red jacket is classy!
Exactly. Hopefully he'll still wear it off duty. ;)

[Toboe]

Good issue, I really enjoyed the interactions among the team and all the suspiciousness going on. And the though bubbles weren't as annoying now.

It's hilarious that the Wasp tried to sell Wonder Man the same abominations she tried with Luke Cage.

However, I didn't really like Bagley's art here. It seemed rushed like some of his last Ultimate Spider-Man issues which were getting worse every time.

[CaptainCanada]

suppose Tony deduced that as no attack occurred, that there were no skrulls?
He wasn't expecting them to just start attacking the second Jessica stepped in the room (he said so when talking with her); putting her on the team is a long-term strategy to throw the Skrulls off their game and try to determine who's who (and buy him time to find a way to detect them).

So you can see how the new order fits now. The Avengers are being controlled and sent on missions by the government, or Shield, whatever. Whereas, once, the Avengers learnt about any meta attacks themselves. Now, the operations are directed by Shield. No cause for concern there.
Uh, Iron Man runs SHIELD. He just got information from Hill, his subordinate, and responded to it. The Avengers have been getting information from outside sources from day one.

[Refutation]

So on the one page are we seeing something hitting the satalite (I assume they are taking apart the weather satalite) on its way to earth, or something breaking off from it and falling to earth. I'm thinking the former.

[Mark_S]

He wasn't expecting them to just start attacking the second Jessica stepped in the room (he said so when talking with her); putting her on the team is a long-term strategy to throw the Skrulls off their game and try to determine who's who (and buy him time to find a way to detect them).

Uh, Iron Man runs SHIELD. He just got information from Hill, his subordinate, and responded to it. The Avengers have been getting information from outside sources from day one.

Besides all of the teams are under the control of the government. The Avengers when all is said and done are just another government task force with a fancy name.

I don't think that the skrulls will try to kill Jessica, I think they would do better to keep Jess and Tony under survelience to find out what they know.

Mark_S

[Omega Alpha]

Great issue. It's a set-up issue, but a damn interesting one. Loved the costume scenes and everyone mocking Tony. And Ares was hilarious again.

And Lindy is definitively a Skrull. Jarvis is most likely one too. I don't think Wonder Man is, both because it wouldn't make much sense, and, as sodarobber noticed, he was drinking, something Skrulls don't do (probably to not blow up their cover).

[Monty_Cristo]

Great issue. It's a set-up issue, but a damn interesting one. Loved the costume scenes and everyone mocking Tony. And Ares was hilarious again.

And Lindy is definitively a Skrull. Jarvis is most likely one too. I don't think Wonder Man is, both because it wouldn't make much sense, and, as sodarobber noticed, he was drinking, something Skrulls don't do (probably to not blow up their cover).

why don't skrulls drink? and why wouldn't it make sense?

[Camron Amaya]

Damn what a dissapointment after all those great looking issues. The art is really crap. I thought I was back in the 90's for a second.

[CaptainCanada]

as sodarobber noticed, he was drinking, something Skrulls don't do (probably to not blow up their cover).
If they can't come up with something to block intoxication, they're really not much of a threat. Given that they can seamlessly replace anyone and avoid all current detection equipment, I think they could give you a shot to keep you from getting drunk and spilling the beans.

[Monty_Cristo]

If they can't come up with something to block intoxication, they're really not much of a threat. Given that they can seamlessly replace anyone and avoid all current detection equipment, I think they could give you a shot to keep you from getting drunk and spilling the beans.

plus, you couldn't really tell if Simon were drunk or not because of the red eyes/shades. or, and this is completely plausible, Simon's not really drinking. a shapeshifter could easily shape-shift a separate "windpipe" for the alcohol to flow through; harmlessly.

[XPac]

I wonder if Wonderman can even get drunk. His body is a bit different, since he doesn't need to eat or breath, and he's basically immortal. That doesn't exactly mean he can't get drunk of course... but I wonder if this sort of thing was ever put to the test.

Others thought he was drunk though, so guess he can.

[Beast]

I wonder if Wonderman can even get drunk. His body is a bit different, since he doesn't need to eat or breath, and he's basically immortal. That doesn't exactly mean he can't get drunk of course... but I wonder if this sort of thing was ever put to the test.

Others thought he was drunk though, so guess he can.
Simon used to get plastered with Beast all the time. So I'd say, yes... he can.

[Orin GA]

So the whole venom and carnage thing... Does it have anything to do with the time sentry ripped carnage in half in the NA # 1.

Sentry: "It seemed like a good idea at the time"

[sodarobber]

why don't skrulls drink? and why wouldn't it make sense?

I was merely noticing that it seems to be a re-occuring trend, for all we know it could be lethal for Skrulls to drink. Not to mention you never really see Skrulls drink throughout their involvement in the Marvel Universe.

[Monty_Cristo]

I wonder if Wonderman can even get drunk. His body is a bit different, since he doesn't need to eat or breath, and he's basically immortal. That doesn't exactly mean he can't get drunk of course... but I wonder if this sort of thing was ever put to the test.

Others thought he was drunk though, so guess he can.

skrulls are born actors.

I was merely noticing that it seems to be a re-occuring trend, for all we know it could be lethal for Skrulls to drink.

it could be lethal for them to wear bow-ties. oh, i guess Jarvis can't be a skrull either. ;)

[Bryson the Red]

skrulls are born actors.

I thought they were born green and ugly.

[XPac]

skrulls are born actors.



Well, if indeed Wonderman is a Skrull, I can't say that particular Skull shares that trait with the rest of his people. The guy comes off awkward start every step of the way.

Then again, I suppose the same acting criticism could be laid upon Simon himself, so perhaps they knew what they were doing.

[Monty_Cristo]

I thought they were born green and ugly.

hence the need to act. i call it Steve Buscemi Syndrome.

[sodarobber]

it could be lethal for them to wear bow-ties. oh, i guess Jarvis can't be a skrull either. ;)

Ha, guess I walked into that one.

For me, most of the clues point towards Ms. Marvel not only through comic sources, but from interviews seen at the end of Marvel Zombies 2 #3. Ms. Marvel is no stranger to abduction by alien races, not to mention there are clues of her dissapearance dating back to the Kree Skrull War. I think I posted something about my findings at some point. All the clues just seem to point to her I also haven't really seen much Skrully behavior coming from Wonderman.

[Monty_Cristo]

Ha, guess I walked into that one.

For me, most of the clues point towards Ms. Marvel not only through comic sources, but from interviews seen at the end of Marvel Zombies 2 #3. Ms. Marvel is no stranger to abduction by alien races, not to mention there are clues of her dissapearance dating back to the Kree Skrull War. I think I posted something about my findings at some point. All the clues just seem to point to her I also haven't really seen much Skrully behavior coming from Wonderman.

how about embezzling money from his foundation just before Civil War and getting beaten by one Green Goblin-thrown pumpkin bomb? Simon-skrull shouldn't come across as 'skrully.' right now he's just playing the supportive "boy friend" role; spying on the Mighty Avengers and Carol Danvers (in particular).

[Omega Alpha]

why don't skrulls drink? and why wouldn't it make sense?

He was just an actor, he wasn't really an A-list Avenger or someone you would automatically expect to see on the Avengers. Wasp or Ms. Marvel would make more sense than him.

[XPac]

how about embezzling money from his foundation just before Civil War and getting beaten by one Green Goblin-thrown pumpkin bomb? Simon-skrull shouldn't come across as 'skrully.' right now he's just playing the supportive "boy friend" role; spying on the Mighty Avengers and Carol Danvers (in particular).

Hmmm... I'm not sure embezzling money from a charity is something Wonderman OR a Skrull would do though. Simon not doing it is obvious, and for the Skrull that's a pretty risky way to draw attention to yourself for a few bucks.

[Liberty Belle Fan]

I have two things to say...

1. Tony doesn't stop recording when he says he does....LOL
2. Spider-Woman is a Mighty Avenger...Hoo-Ra!

[Monty_Cristo]

Hmmm... I'm not sure embezzling money from a charity is something Wonderman OR a Skrull would do though. Simon not doing it is obvious, and for the Skrull that's a pretty risky way to draw attention to yourself for a few bucks.

and becoming the leader of a ninja sect isn't?

He was just an actor, he wasn't really an A-list Avenger or someone you would automatically expect to see on the Avengers. Wasp or Ms. Marvel would make more sense than him.

you're assuming that he wasn't activated as part of the secret invasion after joining the Avengers. i'll point to the Marvel Team-Up character; Crusader. he was sent to Earth, specifically, to spy on the Avengers. half-way through his assignment, they were Disassembled. what if Simon is one of those skrulls that was running around the battlefield during Disassembled? what if he wasn't activated until Carol recommended him for Avengers membership?

[XPac]

and becoming the leader of a ninja sect isn't?




For Electra, I wouldn't say it draws attention to her. For her, that's a pretty reasonable course of action for the character. And was a ninja assasin afterall.

Superheroes robbing charities is a bit more suspicous in my opinion.

[sodarobber]

how about embezzling money from his foundation just before Civil War and getting beaten by one Green Goblin-thrown pumpkin bomb? Simon-skrull shouldn't come across as 'skrully.' right now he's just playing the supportive "boy friend" role; spying on the Mighty Avengers and Carol Danvers (in particular).

Huh. Well then Monty, now that you mention it and upon looking back at the Front Lines books, you're right, he is acting very shady and his eyes without the glasses just seems to say all. Now I've got a two way tie for a potential Skrull on the Mighty Avengers. I must have overlooked it, though I could see the Goblin overtaking Wonderman while he wasn't prepared or paying attention. But then again Wonderman has always been a consistant wuss and always seems to be the friend and never the boyfriend. Wonderman never had any strange resurrections did he?

[Monty_Cristo]

Huh. Well then Monty, now that you mention it and upon looking back at the Front Lines books, you're right, he is acting very shady and his eyes without the glasses just seems to say all. Now I've got a two way tie for a potential Skrull on the Mighty Avengers. I must have overlooked it, though I could see the Goblin overtaking Wonderman while he wasn't prepared or paying attention. But then again Wonderman has always been a consistant wuss and always seems to be the friend and never the boyfriend. Wonderman never had any strange resurrections did he?

he's known for strange resurrections. his becoming an Avenger involved a return from the dead. plus he was once brought back from death solely because Wanda loved him. that means that he might not have even been all that real since then. i'm not saying that he is a skrull; just saying that he's got a better chance than most. who, among the Avengers, would suspect Simon? look at how protective Carol is of the guy. her judgement is clouded. Iron Man definately wouldn't consider him an equal. the others probably see him as a himbo or, simply, "not-the-Sentry." but back to the Green Goblin stuff, Simon should have been able to shrug off a pumpkin bomb (even a suprrise one). he's nigh indestructible.

For Electra, I wouldn't say it draws attention to her. For her, that's a pretty reasonable course of action for the character. And was a ninja assasin afterall.

if you were a skrull, why would you want to be in a position where your death would be likely? being the head of a ninja clan is quite high risk. and she put them into direct conflict with the Avengers.

[XPac]

Huh. Well then Monty, now that you mention it and upon looking back at the Front Lines books, you're right, he is acting very shady and his eyes without the glasses just seems to say all. Now I've got a two way tie for a potential Skrull on the Mighty Avengers. I must have overlooked it, though I could see the Goblin overtaking Wonderman while he wasn't prepared or paying attention. But then again Wonderman has always been a consistant wuss and always seems to be the friend and never the boyfriend. Wonderman never had any strange resurrections did he?

There's a fine line between Skrully behavior and bad writing.

Written properly, Wonderman can probably EAT pumkin bombs and still survive. He's at least as durable as Cage if not moreso, and Cage could take them without a scratch. Simon was hospitalized.

Of course, we can speculate that Stark upgraded Goblin's weaponry for this particular mission. GG's standard stuff shouldn't be able to get the job done.

[Monty_Cristo]

There's a fine line between Skrully behavior and bad writing.

Written properly, Wonderman can probably EAT pumkin bombs and still survive. He's at least as durable as Cage if not moreso, and Cage could take them without a scratch. Simon was hospitalized.

Of course, we can speculate that Stark upgraded Goblin's weaponry for this particular mission. GG's standard stuff shouldn't be able to get the job done.

why would Tony want to hospitalize Wonderman?

[XPac]

if you were a skrull, why would you want to be in a position where your death would be likely? being the head of a ninja clan is quite high risk. and she put them into direct conflict with the Avengers.

The upside was of course gaining control of the Hand and the Japanesse underworld. There's risk sure... but for alien warriors from a race far more advanced than ours ninjas probably don't seem too scary.

Taking control of the Hand did end up putting her in conflict with the Avengers, and it was probably a miscalculation on her part to go after the Avengers the way she did. That was dumb. But I think Electra and the Hand having contact with the Avengers or any american heroes over in Japan is frankly a fluke. Especially given Civil War and everything else going on in the states, that's probably not something any of them saw coming. And because the NA are sort of operating below radar, they got caught with their pants down.

That said, again it was dumb for the Skrull Electra to pursue the Avengers. She should have just let them go. It's probably one of those Skrull warrior codes of honor thing to go after them or something.

[Monty_Cristo]

The upside was of course gaining control of the Hand and the Japanesse underworld. There's risk sure... but for alien warriors from a race far more advanced than ours ninjas probably don't seem too scary.

Taking control of the Hand did end up putting her in conflict with the Avengers, and it was probably a miscalculation on her part to go after the Avengers the way she did. That was dumb. But I think Electra and the Hand having contact with the Avengers or any american heroes over in Japan is frankly a fluke. Especially given Civil War and everything else going on in the states, that's probably not something any of them saw coming. And because the NA are sort of operating below radar, they got caught with their pants down.

That said, again it was dumb for the Skrull Electra to pursue the Avengers. She should have just let them go. It's probably one of those Skrull warrior codes of honor thing to go after them or something.


since when do skrulls have codes of honor? that sounds more like the kree. all i'm saying is that embezzling money isn't something a skrull wouldn't do, if given the opportunity. despite his background, i definately wouldn't expect this behavior from Simon. and, if the SHIELD agents were lying about the embezzlement, i could see a skrull caving pretty easily. i wouldn't expect that from Simon.

[XPac]

why would Tony want to hospitalize Wonderman?

I don't think he necessarily would. But if he wants to make sure GG takes down a small group of Atlantean soldiers single handedly, he might want to give him better weaponry.

Though it does raise some questions about why Wonderman was there in the first place. It is kinda weird that SHIELD sends Simon to the place where Tony is going to bomb. Could have been just a bad coincidence. Or maybe Tony knew about it and sent Simon, because he's someone that could survive the bombing. An injured hero might generate more sympathy from the public and other heroes. And Simon is a guy that SHOULD surivve just about anything. Of course, I'm just speculating... as I said, it could have been dumb random luck.

[sodarobber]

why would Tony want to hospitalize Wonderman?

Why would he finance the New Warriors to defy the SHRA so he can look good especially when this plan caused the death and hospitalization of two of the New Warriors? Why did he resort to war profiteering from the Civil War? Stark claims to be a Futurist and reasons that the actions he takes are to better the future or more importantly his stance in it, so what if he has to step on a few friends' toes along the way?

[Monty_Cristo]

Why would he finance the New Warriors to defy the SHRA so he can look good especially when this plan caused the death and hospitalization of two of the New Warriors?

we don't have any proof that he did. it's more likely that Bandit framed him to rub his nose in it/throw suspicion away from the Taylor Foundation.

Why did he resort to war profiteering from the Civil War?

beats me. i know nothing of the profiteering. but Tony is a businessman.

Stark claims to be a Futurist and reasons that the actions he takes are to better the future or more importantly his stance in it, so what if he has to step on a few friends' toes along the way?

there would be ways to handle Wonderman without risking his death. that would be a seriously wasted resource at a time when they were trying to fill every state with superheroes.

[Dr. Chaos]

When this skrull thing isover, I wonder if Jessia will try to return to the NA, or if she'll stay with the MA.
I'm guessing she'll bang Tony and then return to Anti-reg and call it day.

God knows if it was me (Or I was Jessica and had a vagina) I wouldn't want to stay wth them.

As for Wonderman, it's one crappy outfit after another for this guy, isn't it?

[CaptainCanada]

Why did he resort to war profiteering from the Civil War?
And it seems like the only reason he did that was to give the money to charity, which makes that whole point utterly baffling, since he's got more than enough money for such purposes.

[XPac]

there would be ways to handle Wonderman without risking his death. that would be a seriously wasted resource at a time when they were trying to fill every state with superheroes.

Though I do agree sending Simon into a situation like that would be a stupid horrible plan, I will say this... if you were to do it, Simon would be the best possible person to send.

He's nearly invulnerable, and conviniently comes back from the dead when you kill him. If Tony were a big enough jerk to intentionally do something like this, then honestly I can't think of a better choice than Simon.

Really, he was such a random choice for SHIELD. This sort of thing really isn't up Simon's ally. Why would SHIELD out of the blue go to him for something like this? Again, I'm not sure Tony would do something like this... but it would almost make more sense overall if he did.

[XPac]

As for Wonderman, it's one crappy outfit after another for this guy, isn't it?

In the Ms. Marvel book when Wonderman and her were fighting Modoc, didn't they show that Simon was wearing that basic outfit underneath the Red Saffari Jacket? If that's the case, then all he really did was take the stupid jacket off (which I suppose is all he really needs to do).

[PunisherFan]

This was the first issue I picked up, mainly b/c I wanted to see the symbiote invasion and how it plays out. I thought it was decent. The comment about being creepy when Ares says it was hysterical. The issue wasn't bad, but how long is the symbiote thing going to run? Seems like a good idea that could have been a few issues rolled into 1 and a half. Not a fan of Wonder Man at all though so i can care less about his wardrobe

[Dr. Chaos]

You could literally feel how uncomfortable Jessica Drew was around Tony's taskforce.

I just can't see her staying with the Mock-Avengers for long after Secret Invason.

[XPac]

And it seems like the only reason he did that was to give the money to charity, which makes that whole point utterly baffling, since he's got more than enough money for such purposes.

I'm sure all that money Stark enterprise is now making supplying SHIELD with whatever they need for whatever price they want (since Stark is convininetly in charge of both) came in awefully handy when he had to rebuilt Stark Tower. So what we call profiteering is in reality just another example of Stark being a futurist.

[XPac]

You could literally feel how uncomfortable Jessica Drew was around Tony's taskforce.

I just can't see her staying with the Mock-Avengers for long after Secret Invason.

It's understandable. Several of them think she's a traitor, and Ares... well, let's not go there. These were people that were trying to arrest her only weeks (or maybe months) ago.

That said, overtime it's possible she'll get used to being on that team. She might end up staying on board. She's a former SHIELD agent afterall. Though I do think in some ways she seems a better fit for the NA.

[jackolover]

Though it does raise some questions about why Wonderman was there in the first place. It is kinda weird that SHIELD sends Simon to the place where Tony is going to bomb. Could have been just a bad coincidence. Or maybe Tony knew about it and sent Simon, because he's someone that could survive the bombing. An injured hero might generate more sympathy from the public and other heroes. And Simon is a guy that SHOULD surivve just about anything. Of course, I'm just speculating... as I said, it could have been dumb random luck.

Yeah, the Shield agent that head-hunted Simon were pretty adament they wanted HIM. Simon originally said he doesn't do that kind of work, but shield said they neede his special kind of talent. So it does look as though Simon was sent into something pre-planned for a GG attack so.

[jonwes]

Ha, guess I walked into that one.

For me, most of the clues point towards Ms. Marvel not only through comic sources, but from interviews seen at the end of Marvel Zombies 2 #3. Ms. Marvel is no stranger to abduction by alien races, not to mention there are clues of her dissapearance dating back to the Kree Skrull War. I think I posted something about my findings at some point. All the clues just seem to point to her I also haven't really seen much Skrully behavior coming from Wonderman.

I think the fact that an upcoming cover of Ms. Marvel shows her to be a Skrull is an indicator she's NOT. That's just a gut feeling though. But also, it wouldn't make a lot of the angst she's been having in her own book make much sense, unless she has false memories implanted in her and she's a sleeper agent. I hope they don't do sleeper agents though as that'd be Soooo Battlestar Galactica.

[Arilou]

There is the possibility that the "Green Ms. Marvel" cover indicates her being infected by the Brood somehow.... You get green skin from that.

[Mitchel]

I'm really missing Cho's artwork.

[CMBMOOL]

Something else have been bugging me about Wonderman, when was the last time that we have ever seen him use his Ionic powers in battle ? :(

[jackolover]

I think the fact that an upcoming cover of Ms. Marvel shows her to be a Skrull is an indicator she's NOT. That's just a gut feeling though. But also, it wouldn't make a lot of the angst she's been having in her own book make much sense, unless she has false memories implanted in her and she's a sleeper agent. I hope they don't do sleeper agents though as that'd be Soooo Battlestar Galactica.

I disagree. I think Carol will be shown to be a skrull. Maybe not like we expect, but come face to face with the skrull imposter at the Mighty Avengers headquarters.

[Arilou]

Another possibility is that Carol will, during that issue, be *replaced* with a skrull.

[Will.S]

Alright. Go to that Wonderman toast - I had the best of times, (then thinks - and the worst). Then he repeats 'and the worst', and says- 'thank you'. Like he's answering a prompted voice in his head. This felt strange when I was reading it. It now seems even stranger.
I found that part to be extremely odd, why the hell would Wonder Man repeat himself like that?

Decent issue, artistically not great but nice enough to get the job done. I agree with the skrull candidates of Lindy and Jarvis although Lindy seems to obvious since she and Robert have been kept very cryptic compared to the rest of the cast. And I still have a harder time pin-pointing who on the actual team is a skrull.

The visual with the baby turning into a Venom was particularly creepy and masterfully well done, it just goes to show that Mark Bagley does symbiotes like no other and he CANNOT escape even Spider-Man related villains! Even though we've seen the results of this fight in New Avengers, I'm still gonna stick with the book regardless because we only got a cliff notes version of how it played out in NA and there's the Dr. Doom appearance still coming.

Regarding Simon's costume, I still prefer the safari suit one much more than the sleeveless one but eh, I'll manage. The costume he has on isn't even a new one, it's his classic 80's sleeveless muscle shirt. Anyway, I still have NO idea what the hell happened in the space scene where the astronaut crew are doing the satellite recovery in space. All I noticed was something getting hit by debris and then a metal ball getting launched at the earth but I didn't know exactly where it was being launched from, it looked like maybe the shuttle.

All in all not bad at all: 7.5/10

[unkiedev]

I don't think it's Wonderman...the guy's a robot, right? He's not even human? Couldn't they just run a metal detector over him and figure out if he's still a perfect little robot or not? Seems simple enough.

[jonwes]

Wonderman is not a robot. You might be thinking of The Vision? Who's technically not a robot either.... but that might be what you're thinking.

[XPac]

Something else have been bugging me about Wonderman, when was the last time that we have ever seen him use his Ionic powers in battle ? :(

Wonderman's powers seem to be a bit inconsistant... they change with no explanation. That could be skrully, or just consistantly bad writing.

In his own series, he developed several new powers, which all disappeared except flight when he returned for Busieks run. No real explanation, though returning from the dead could understandably change him.

In Busieks run, he developed that purple energy effect, which basically disappeared by Bendis MA run. Again, no real explanation.

He had a few low end showing during CW, which again could be skrully... or just bad writing.

And in MA, he did so some sort of ionic energy attack on Ultron, which I think is something we haven't seen before (someone correct me there if I'm wrong).

Powerwise, he's so consistantly written inconsistantly that it's hard to tell when something is skrully or not.

[KetchFrayz]

My Skrull theory:

Lindy: Sentry = Probably earth's most powerful hero aka biggest threat to the Skrulls. Skrulls may think they can't physically destroy him so they mess with his mind and want to drive him insane. (i.e killing his wife, his wife is alive, wife gets killed then comes back to life)

Spider-woman: been involved with Hydra, SHIELD, NA, and now the Mighty Avengers. She's been collecting information of most, if not all threats to the Skrull's takeover. When Skrull Elektra died she brings the body to Stark to further the paranoia already present in the New Avengers. Now she's got them paranoid and now Tony Stark doesn't even trust everyone on his own team.

[elaniel]

Ares' line was the funniest thing I have read all year regarding Spider-Woman.
LOL

[SeritoNiN]

Spider-woman is not a skrull, like echo and every other un-interesting character Bendis refuses to admit just can't cut it (sentry) he will mess with their life, but not with them.

Sentry's wife is a skrull, this is why she told tony to figure a way to stop Sentry, the skrulls fear him.

Black Widow is a skrull.

[Mitchel]

Wonderman's powers seem to be a bit inconsistant... they change with no explanation. That could be skrully, or just consistantly bad writing.

In his own series, he developed several new powers, which all disappeared except flight when he returned for Busieks run. No real explanation, though returning from the dead could understandably change him.

In Busieks run, he developed that purple energy effect, which basically disappeared by Bendis MA run. Again, no real explanation.

He had a few low end showing during CW, which again could be skrully... or just bad writing.

And in MA, he did so some sort of ionic energy attack on Ultron, which I think is something we haven't seen before (someone correct me there if I'm wrong).

Powerwise, he's so consistantly written inconsistantly that it's hard to tell when something is skrully or not.

I'd say that skrull is f***ing retarded cause with so many inconsistencies he might as well be wearing a banner saying I'm a skrull in disguise or maybe the Avengers are the retarded ones not to notice all this.;)

[jpk]

Spider-woman is not a skrull, like echo and every other un-interesting character Bendis refuses to admit just can't cut it (sentry) he will mess with their life, but not with them.

Sentry's wife is a skrull, this is why she told tony to figure a way to stop Sentry, the skrulls fear him.

Black Widow is a skrull.

Lindy makes sense. She's outright telling Tony to depower him or kill him. Why? Because she fears for the world? Please.

Black Widow doesn't make sense, and here's why: she's a vital character in Captain America. We've already seen her react to her relationship with Bucky Barnes, which dates back some 60 years.

Wonder-Man is a skrull. Someone mentioned that he was reluctant to join MA, but it could be that he was swapped right after he was talked into coming back to the team. Just a theory.

[bjtrdff]

Lindy still makes way more sense as a hard light construct made by the Sentry, which actually explains the whole 'being killed by ultron then being brought back to life' thing. You know, instead of ignoring it completely, as would be the case if she was a skrull.

[NickThompson]

I laughed when Wasp brought out the same costumes she offered Luke Cage :D

[MrHellpop]

Assuming that the Skrull has been in place for awhile, couldn't you just go back and check to see if anyone doesn't have any thought balloons?

A character thinking to themselves in character is obviously not a Skrull.

[drwho]

Assuming that the Skrull has been in place for awhile, couldn't you just go back and check to see if anyone doesn't have any thought balloons?

A character thinking to themselves in character is obviously not a Skrull.

The only thing with that is these days it is hard to tell whether, or not the characterization is intentional, or just bad writing.

[Dan L]

lindy is obviously a skrull. it's a little late in the game to be using the "he's too powerful" card; why would she all of a sudden say that when sentry's power reveals a very positive, healing angle (bringing back the recently dead), rather than pure destrutive raw power? i guess the skrulls don't want bob to act as doctor during SI.

[Mark_S]

I'm guessing she'll bang Tony and then return to Anti-reg and call it day.

God knows if it was me (Or I was Jessica and had a vagina) I wouldn't want to stay wth them.

I agree, the current Avengers are not a very likeable group.

Mark_S

[XPac]

I agree, the current Avengers are not a very likeable group.

Mark_S

I don't know... Ares seems to like Jessica just fine.

[Mark_S]

I don't know... Ares seems to like Jessica just fine.

Sex only. I mean look at them. Tony is still a jerk, Carol has no idea what she's doing, Black Widow doesn't seem to like anyone, Ares and WonderMan are heavy lifting eye candy and Jan seems to have regressed in her character. So far they've only been together a short time and they haven't really accomplished anything.

Mark_S

[agrich]

Assuming that the Skrull has been in place for awhile, couldn't you just go back and check to see if anyone doesn't have any thought balloons?

A character thinking to themselves in character is obviously not a Skrull.

Or maybe they're Skrull sleeper agents who believe they're actually the people they appear to be.

[drwho]

Or maybe they're Skrull sleeper agents who believe they're actually the people they appear to be.

Still why have the need for a sleeper agent when in the avengers initiative annual that character looked pretty cognizant to the fact he was a skrull in my opinion.

[Dan L]

couldn't reed, tony, and some other uber brain create a virus that only demolishes skrulls..then proceed to pass a law demanding mandatory "vaccinations" for super-humans?

[XPac]

couldn't reed, tony, and some other uber brain create a virus that only demolishes skrulls..then proceed to pass a law demanding mandatory "vaccinations" for super-humans?

Yeah, it's very possible in theory Reed (or Dr. Strange for that matter) could come up with some sort of plot device to save the day. That may end up happeing at the climax of the series itself.

[Mark_S]

couldn't reed, tony, and some other uber brain create a virus that only demolishes skrulls..then proceed to pass a law demanding mandatory "vaccinations" for super-humans?

If the skrulls have planned SI at all Reed and Tony should be taken out on the first day.

mark_S

[Will.S]

Still why have the need for a sleeper agent when in the avengers initiative annual that character looked pretty cognizant to the fact he was a skrull in my opinion.
If you're talking about The Revolutionary then he wasn't a sleeper skrull, just a secret undercover skrull.

A sleeper skrull would usually call for really deep infiltration and wouldn't know they were skrulls unless they become activated. The reason for this is because they can't afford mistakes with members who've known each other very well. People like Sentry and Ares would cast the most doubt since they're newer to the team thing but their powers might be too hard to duplicate, especially with the Sentry.

[jackolover]

He had a few low end showing during CW, which again could be skrully... or just bad writing.


Looking at that sequence in CW, it's possible it was one of Nick Furys attempts to get rid of a skrull, by getting a few loyal Shield agents to set Wonderman up for an ambush, but the bomb didn't kill it.

[jackolover]

Spider-woman is not a skrull, like echo and every other un-interesting character Bendis refuses to admit just can't cut it (sentry) he will mess with their life, but not with them.


I was always suspicious of Jessica after Dr Strange cast that spell that would reveal a skrull in the NA. Jessica seemed to dry retch, away from the others, and it could have been an effect of her skrulliness. Everything else about Jessica could point to her being a skrull, including the intensifying of paranoia, and, her strange comments to Carol in this issue about good tactics.

[jackolover]

I'd say that skrull is f***ing retarded cause with so many inconsistencies he might as well be wearing a banner saying I'm a skrull in disguise or maybe the Avengers are the retarded ones not to notice all this.;)

And why didn't Tony mention the Skrull Electra to the MA? The NA know, and that caused a lot of paranoia. But have Tony and Jessica decided to keep Electra a secret from the MA because paranoia would disrupt the teams effectiveness?

[jackolover]

Black Widow doesn't seem to like anyone,
Mark_S

Yeah, Black Widow seems to jump from acting head of Shield, to a gig in the Cap book, to MA. She sure gets around.

If the skrulls have planned SI at all, Reed and Tony should be taken out on the first day.

mark_S

That didn't happen in Illuminati # 5, where the skrulls had the chance, and failed to kill them both. Now what are the skrulls going to do? Begin sneak attacks on both of them?

[XPac]

And why didn't Tony mention the Skrull Electra to the MA? The NA know, and that caused a lot of paranoia. But have Tony and Jessica decided to keep Electra a secret from the MA because paranoia would disrupt the teams effectiveness?

I don't think any of us have to act suprised that Tony kept this to himself. That's how he operates. It's a control thing. His arguement isn't completely invalid... but that said, this is the reason people have lost trust in him, and will continue to not completely trust him.

[Mark_S]

Yeah, Black Widow seems to jump from acting head of Shield, to a gig in the Cap book, to MA. She sure gets around.



That didn't happen in Illuminati # 5, where the skrulls had the chance, and failed to kill them both. Now what are the skrulls going to do? Begin sneak attacks on both of them?

Well if you are going to invade would you take the risk of leaving those two alone? The skrulls have got to have a plan to deal with them. I mean you can't just put itching powder in Tony's armor or extra startch in Reed's suit and expect that to work. :)

Mark_S

[Mark_S]

I don't think any of us have to act suprised that Tony kept this to himself. That's how he operates. It's a control thing. His arguement isn't completely invalid... but that said, this is the reason people have lost trust in him, and will continue to not completely trust him.

I agree. And when the rest of them do find out about the skrulls it's only going to get worse for him. "What, you mean you couldn't trust me but you could her!?"
In the end the might understand, but it should take a while. This invasion should be a walk for the skrulls given the post-cw anger and now the boiling resentment in the MA.

Mark_S

[Capt USA]

Bendis has hinted that skrull agents may not have replaced a character for a long time, but maybe just a mission or two. It's possible that in one story arc that Black Widow was a skrull, and in another it may have been Spider Women etc.

We also have to remember that there will be one Kree agent involved in this also.

Personally I doubt that Lindy is the Skrull, it just seems too likely. Jarvis being a skrull though makes sense, when you think about it, he's probably been a member of the avengers for more episodes than any other character including Iron Man and Captain America. He would also be the easiest to replace. And it would make sense as he could also poison them if necessary etc.

Wonderman seems pretty likely, and Wasp seems very likely as she has regressed as a character, she's become more or less a caricature of her old self and her powers are probably very easy for the skrulls to copy.


I actually think it would be funny if Hank Pym turns out to be a Skrull also, as he was the creator of the fifty state initiative and is probably the person kept in the loop the most about Reed and Starks future plans.

[Beast]

Pym's about the only person who makes sense, given it has to be someone high up in the Initiative.

[marvelboi77]

The first issue I bought of the series... I loved the Spider-Woman story, and the art.

[marvelboi77]

Black Widow has long hair in Captain America, and short in Mighty Avengers.. Hair extentions I think not.... SKRULL:D

[dreyga2000]

I really glad that Bagley tookm over since his Symbiote drawigns kickass... And I like where this story is going ( considering I know how it ends)...

On side note Who think Ares actually has chance with Spiderwoman? IMO I think he's all talk...

[bulbasteve]

So far they've only been together a short time and they haven't really accomplished anything.

Mark_S

I think Ultron trumps Ninjas and the freakin Hood :p

[Magneto_X]

she emits powerful sex pheremones.

No-one really buys that excuse. She's just really hot. :D

[Mark_S]

I think Ultron trumps Ninjas and the freakin Hood :p

Yea, but Ultron... I mean really Ultron in the Avengers is like Skeletor in He-man, he was put there to make them look good. A victory yes, but not really an impressive one. See how they do against Dr. Doom, now he is a threat. But I'm not really impressed by this team so far.

Mark_S

[Mark_S]

No-one really buys that excuse. She's just really hot. :D

Then maybe Natasha was heading into the shower to join Jessica when Logan was there?:evilsmile

Oh I really shouldn't think stuff like that.:o

Mark_S

[jackolover]

Then maybe Natasha was heading into the shower to join Jessica when Logan was there?:evilsmile

Oh I really shouldn't think stuff like that.:o

Mark_S

They are both Spiders Mark, Now what do you think will happen when two spiders get into the same shower?

[Mark_S]

They are both Spiders Mark, Now what do you think will happen when two spiders get into the same shower?

The clog the drain with webbing?:cool:

Mark_S

[Monty_Cristo]

They are both Spiders Mark, Now what do you think will happen when two spiders get into the same shower?

does it involve water spouts? i hate that song.

[Fatguy]

I liked the issue, but I wouldnt say it was the best of the series. It was a really fast read.

Also, come on, give Wonder Man a good costume! They should've updated his original! :cool:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3711/wondermanbb3.jpg

[XPac]

I liked the issue, but I wouldnt say it was the best of the series. It was a really fast read.

Also, come on, give Wonder Man a good costume! They should've updated his original! :cool:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3711/wondermanbb3.jpg

One could argue that his current costume is basically a variation of the original. The only difference is the lack of the half-mask and the blue rather than green color scheme.

[Beast]

I liked the issue, but I wouldnt say it was the best of the series. It was a really fast read.

Also, come on, give Wonder Man a good costume! They should've updated his original! :cool:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3711/wondermanbb3.jpg
You consider that a good costume? Ewww.... fugly.

[Tyler]

Spiderwoman to Ironman "Neither Wolverine nor Spider-Man nor Daredevil could tell Elektra was a Skrull".

Just curious if the Daredevil reference puzzled other readers as much as it did me.

It could imply at some point since their return, the New Avengers have been in contact with him and explained how it all went down. He did send ask them to go rescue Echo after all and given his relationship with Elektra, possibly understandable to let him know what they discovered and find out if he had any idea.

Then again, Luke and Danny were present last time Elektra and Daredevil were in contact and she was attempting to save his life. If they hadn't been in contact with him, perhaps distrusting him as a skrull himself, wouldn't they then be assuming that Elektra was a skrull agent at that time and undetectable to Daredevil?

Just struck me as odd to mention his inability to detect her when he wasn't there in Japan unless the consensus is she was also a skrull in earlier appearances.

[XPac]

Spiderwoman to Ironman "Neither Wolverine nor Spider-Man nor Daredevil could tell Elektra was a Skrull".

Just curious if the Daredevil reference puzzled other readers as much as it did me.

It could imply at some point since their return, the New Avengers have been in contact with him and explained how it all went down. He did send ask them to go rescue Echo after all and given his relationship with Elektra, possibly understandable to let him know what they discovered and find out if he had any idea.

Then again, Luke and Danny were present last time Elektra and Daredevil were in contact and she was attempting to save his life. If they hadn't been in contact with him, perhaps distrusting him as a skrull himself, wouldn't they then be assuming that Elektra was a skrull agent at that time and undetectable to Daredevil?

Just struck me as odd to mention his inability to detect her when he wasn't there in Japan unless the consensus is she was also a skrull in earlier appearances.

Daredevil did work with Electra in his own book prior to her appearance in New Avengers. Perhaps Spider-Woman is aware of that, and assumes that the Electra there was a Skrull.

And perhaps this is also Bendis way of telling us that Electra being replaced by a Skrull isn't entirely recent.

[Tyler]

Daredevil did work with Electra in his own book prior to her appearance in New Avengers. Perhaps Spider-Woman is aware of that, and assumes that the Electra there was a Skrull.

And perhaps this is also Bendis way of telling us that Electra being replaced by a Skrull isn't entirely recent.

Could well be a little hint from the writer and does seem to be Spider-Woman's opinion. Anyway I don't want to rehash possible times of her replacement, I was just interested by the Daredevil mention and what was discussed. Shouldn't be too long before it comes out anyway and in the meantime I suspect all the colorists working at Marvel are having great fun with green.

When this is all over, what're the chances of Avengers, New and Mighty getting together for a few brews and baseball, like the good old East Coast/West Coast days?

[XPac]

When this is all over, what're the chances of Avengers, New and Mighty getting together for a few brews and baseball, like the good old East Coast/West Coast days?

As long as the SHRA is around, it's non-existant.

After Tony and Carol used Caps death as a means to trap the NA, I'm not sure the NA can ever really trust them again. They'll work with the MA when necessary of course... but getthing together as friends socially probably isn't a possibility unless the status quo really changes.

[dreyga2000]

Quite frankly if they are going work together from time to time it makes the SHRA plotline seem useless...

If I were Tony I would just forge some legal documents and have the NEw Avengers registered against their own will afterall he does know all their secret identies (well excpet for Peter now) and can find them if they do cause innocent deaths with their powers...

What are the NA going to do? Bust into the Stark Tower and demand they be made criminals again?

[CMBMOOL]

Quite frankly if they are going work together from time to time it makes the SHRA plotline seem useless...

If I were Tony I would just forge some legal documents and have the NEw Avengers registered against their own will afterall he does know all their secret identies (well excpet for Peter now) and can find them if they do cause innocent deaths with their powers...

What are the NA going to do? Bust into the Stark Tower and demand they be made criminals again?

Tony wuldn't be that foolish to that to his former teamates, would he ? :(

[CMBMOOL]

After Tony and Carol used Caps death as a means to trap the NA, I'm not sure the NA can ever really trust them again. They'll work with the MA when necessary of course... but getthing together as friends socially probably isn't a possibility unless the status quo really changes.

I wonder what could have occured if the roles were reversed ? :(

[JesseJay]

in resonse to the OP, I hate bagley's art. It's so much worse then Cho's. His lines are think, and spider-woman's face........eh..... I rather wait on cho, then have this so-called "artwork". It borders on Rob liefield-ish. THATS MY OPINION.
The story was awesome tho.

[DeadXMan]

I wonder what could have occurred if the roles were reversed ? :(

what using cap's body as trap

wolvie, spidy(even if he's a skrull) Luke, and Steven have more respect for the dead.

[StoneGold]

what using cap's body as trap

wolvie, spidy(even if he's a skrull) Luke, and Steven have more respect for the dead.

I dunno, Cap used his own corpse as a trap at least once.

[Mark_S]

As long as the SHRA is around, it's non-existant.

After Tony and Carol used Caps death as a means to trap the NA, I'm not sure the NA can ever really trust them again. They'll work with the MA when necessary of course... but getthing together as friends socially probably isn't a possibility unless the status quo really changes.

And the whole point of the cw storyline was to get everyone hating each other, I don't see marvel pulling back from that.

Mark_S

[xmanson]

Jessica calling what happened duwrin CW as "happening in Civil War" is just so ridiculous. It was not even a war, first, and do they get their events named for them? It's liek the X-men in a few months telling each other (remember how this and this happened in Messiah Complex?"

[XPac]

I wonder what could have occured if the roles were reversed ? :(

Things woulnd't be reversed. Carol and Tony are probably the only 2 people on either side who are big enough jerks to use Caps death to trap someone in that way.

[Will.S]

Jessica calling what happened duwrin CW as "happening in Civil War" is just so ridiculous. It was not even a war, first, and do they get their events named for them? It's liek the X-men in a few months telling each other (remember how this and this happened in Messiah Complex?"
Most of the characters who refer to Civil War in Bendis's books usually refer to it as THE Civil War and not just "Civil War". Although the House of M references were pretty stupid as I don't remember that event being called that within the actual book.

[xmanson]

But it was not even A Civil War for them to call them THE Civil War.

[Will.S]

Why not?

I mean, what else would you call a fight between factions of superheroes? Registration War?