Mighty Avengers #7 *Preview*

[Toboe]

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/006951523.cfm

Wizard has a preview for Mighty Avengers #7, which reunites Bendis with former Ultimate Spider-Man penciler Mark Bagley. It's mostly Jessica Drew and Tony Stark discussing the skrull situation and what to do about it.

The Ultimate Spider-Man super-team of Bendis and Bagley reunite and just in time for the Avengers’ biggest problem ever!!! A Venom virus hits the city of New York!! A Venom virus!! The entire city of New York turns symbiote. Plus, Wonder Man gets a much-needed makeover. All this and Tony Stark.

The Wonder Man part got my attention, perhaps they will reveal him as a skrull?

[Alphaxman]

So far I like where this is headed but Marvel is all about big opening with least then stellar finishes. Plus his dialogue didn’t make me roll my eyes once so that’s a good thing.

[Asian_Invasion]

The Wonder Man part got my attention, perhaps they will reveal him as a skrull?

Or you know he could just get a make over, literally speaking.

[Shyft]

decompression to tell us things we already know, mmmm yeah.

Good dialogue though. Art is nowhere near as good as Cho's but being on time makes it worth it.

[Enigmanaut]

That's some of the best Iron Man dialogue in a long time. Admitting that he needs Nick Fury because he doesn't know what to do, and Nick would. Saying to "%^$# the Registration Act."

Looking forward to this. Though, lately I just can't see Jessica Drew without thinking how sexist her costume is. I know Superheroes wear the skintights, but the pattern of her costume is just flat out designed to emphasize her breasts.

[XPac]

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/006951523.cfm

Wizard has a preview for Mighty Avengers #7, which reunites Bendis with former Ultimate Spider-Man penciler Mark Bagley. It's mostly Jessica Drew and Tony Stark discussing the skrull situation and what to do about it.



The Wonder Man part got my attention, perhaps they will reveal him as a skrull?

The Wonderman bit could just be in relation to doing away with that god aweful Red Saffari jacket once and for all.

As for the preview... Spider-Woman joining the team is kinda interesting, especially if she's not registered. Tony obviously doesn't care about that anymore, and rightly so. But an unregistered former Hydra agent walking about a SHIELD helicarrier should turn a few heads.

[XPac]

That's some of the best Iron Man dialogue in a long time. Admitting that he needs Nick Fury because he doesn't know what to do, and Nick would. Saying to "%^$# the Registration Act."

Looking forward to this. Though, lately I just can't see Jessica Drew without thinking how sexist her costume is. I know Superheroes wear the skintights, but the pattern of her costume is just flat out designed to emphasize her breasts.

Yeah... it's kind of unfortunate that Jessica joins the team as Frank Cho departs it. They seemed made for each other (though we did see Frank do her earlier in New Avengers at least).

[BYC]

All I can say is that Bagley never disappoints.

[Thursaiz]

I really like where this is headed. If Tony wants to work with Fury, it could lead to some interesting stuff.

[XPac]

All I can say is that Bagley never disappoints.

Yeah... sucks he's going to DC. He would have made a great regular on the book.

[Wild Card13]

FINALLY, we get to see this conversation. It should have happened months ago, but better late than never. Good stuff, good stuff.

[TotalWorldDomination]

That's some of the best Iron Man dialogue in a long time. Admitting that he needs Nick Fury because he doesn't know what to do, and Nick would. Saying to "%^$# the Registration Act."

This is actualy some of the WORST Iron Man diaolouge in a long time. It shows that marvel has decided the best way to "redeem" iron man is to have him start to turn on the SHRA. If this trend continues you'll see me join the "Fire Iron Man from SHIELD" fanclub. :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Shyft]

This is actualy some of the WORST Iron Man diaolouge in a long time. It shows that marvel has decided the best way to "redeem" iron man is to have him start to turn on the SHRA. If this trend continues you'll see me join the "Fire Iron Man from SHIELD" fanclub. :mad: :mad: :mad:

you really think its more important than Skrulls?

between this and the whole "keep Norman free, bang up Spiderman" you've seriously got your priorities confused.

[XPac]

This is actualy some of the WORST Iron Man diaolouge in a long time. It shows that marvel has decided the best way to "redeem" iron man is to have him start to turn on the SHRA. If this trend continues you'll see me join the "Fire Iron Man from SHIELD" fanclub. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Well, if you recall Stark was actually against the thing initially. He only went with it because it was inevitable and he believed they couldn't fight it.

[SquidSquod]

This is actualy some of the WORST Iron Man diaolouge in a long time. It shows that marvel has decided the best way to "redeem" iron man is to have him start to turn on the SHRA. If this trend continues you'll see me join the "Fire Iron Man from SHIELD" fanclub. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Marvel has shown in the beginning of and during CW that it always has an anti-SHRA slant. In its obvioius zero sum game, the pro-heroes gets their reputation (to readers) elevated and Iron Man & co gets their reputation dropped.

Now being a believer of anti-SHRA and Iron Man supporter, I like this situation very much. Being self-sufficient to the bone, Iron Man is better as a rebel. He needs no gov't employment and interventions telling him what to do.

[TotalWorldDomination]

you really think its more important than Skrulls?

between this and the whole "keep Norman free, bang up Spiderman" you've seriously got your priorities confused.

My prorites are exactly where they should be- I care that it looks like marvel is going to retcon a major "crisis size" event in the MU with another event.

And when did I ever say I wanted to "Bang up" spider-man. I want him to register. and I'd prefer to see Norman behind bars, but it dose look like he's trying to "go straight" in thunderbolts and seriously doesn't want to be the Green Goblin anymore. Of course it'd be no fun if he succeeded for too long...

Well, if you recall Stark was actually against the thing initially. He only went with it because it was inevitable and he believed they couldn't fight it.

He was in favor of a unifed Superhuman force as far back as the Kree-Skrull war. He was against the SHRA because he knew it would split superhumans down the middle, not because he was against the concept. He wanted more time to make non-forced ideas work.

If Spider-Woman gets on the Mighty Avengers without a registration card my brain may explode.

[XPac]

He was in favor of a unifed Superhuman force as far back as the Kree-Skrull war. He was against the SHRA because he knew it would split superhumans down the middle, not because he was against the concept. He wanted more time to make non-forced ideas work.

If Spider-Woman gets on the Mighty Avengers without a registration card my brain may explode.

Sure, he was in favor of a superhuman force. But that's not the same thing as the registration. There's a difference between heroes working together and working for the government. Remember, he believes the government is MORE evil than Cap's side did... that was his motive for doing this in the first place.

[Beast]

The Wonderman bit could just be in relation to doing away with that god aweful Red Saffari jacket once and for all.
Hope not. That's his best looking costume. :)

[Shyft]

My prorites are exactly where they should be- I care that it looks like marvel is going to retcon a major "crisis size" event in the MU with another event.

And when did I ever say I wanted to "Bang up" spider-man. I want him to register. and I'd prefer to see Norman behind bars, but it dose look like he's trying to "go straight" in thunderbolts and seriously doesn't want to be the Green Goblin anymore. Of course it'd be no fun if he succeeded for too long...



He was in favor of a unifed Superhuman force as far back as the Kree-Skrull war. He was against the SHRA because he knew it would split superhumans down the middle, not because he was against the concept. He wanted more time to make non-forced ideas work.

If Spider-Woman gets on the Mighty Avengers without a registration card my brain may explode.

Spider-Woman was a SHIELD Agent, so they have all her details. They are working against the Skrulls. What securities or differences would there be if she signed the SHRA that she has already proved herself capable of betraying anyway? In the face of the current threat, waving the SHRA for a hero who is already basically signed up is hardly tearing up the SHRA.

[TotalWorldDomination]

Sure, he was in favor of a superhuman force. But that's not the same thing as the registration. There's a difference between heroes working together and working for the government. Remember, he believes the government is MORE evil than Cap's side did... that was his motive for doing this in the first place.

I doubt he thinks the goverment is MORE evil then Cap's side did, he just recoginzed that the goverment would have no choice but to unleash Gyrich and Wide-Awake if every superhuman in the country went against the goverment.

Hope not. That's his best looking costume. :)

Sadly, you're right. it IS his best looking costume.

[Expletive Deleted]

Hope not. That's his best looking costume. :)Talk about damning with faint praise.

[Shyft]

Sadly, you're right. it IS his best looking costume.

nuh uh! his Civil War outfit was good! the one seen on the back of the civil war cover

http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/0806/Civil_War_4_edited.jpg

[TotalWorldDomination]

Spider-Woman was a SHIELD Agent, so they have all her details. They are working against the Skrulls. What securities or differences would there be if she signed the SHRA that she has already proved herself capable of betraying anyway? In the face of the current threat, waving the SHRA for a hero who is already basically signed up is hardly tearing up the SHRA.

As my mother is fond of saying at christmas '"It's the thought that counts". ;)

and lets not forget this is coming on the heals of tony making exemptions for everyone and there mom for registration. And it looks like he's decided not to go after the NA's anymore either. Bit by bit marvel is taking apart my beloved SHRA... Or perhaps not. I'm still hoping they turn the whole thing around.

[TotalWorldDomination]

nuh uh! his Civil War outfit was good! the one seen on the back of the civil war cover

http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/0806/Civil_War_4_edited.jpg

The jumpsuit? It's the best of his "superheroic" costumes, but the red safari jacket makes him look so... hollywood pathetic. just like wonder-man should :D

[Shyft]

As my mother is fond of saying at christmas '"It's the thought that counts". ;)

and lets not forget this is coming on the heals of tony making exemptions for everyone and there mom for registration. And it looks like he's decided not to go after the NA's anymore either. Bit by bit marvel is taking apart my beloved SHRA... Or perhaps not. I'm still hoping they turn the whole thing around.

has he actually made exceptions for anyone who he could force to sign it? And hunting the New Avengers was never, ever a worth-while escapade for the Mighty Avengers. After their initial run at it, giving up was the best thing. Dont want to waste tax payers money when there are perfectly good baddies to lock away instead, surely.

And oh yeah, you DO want Spiderman in jail. because he clearly doesnt want to register. So you'd want him in jail. and you want Norman Osbourne on the streets? He doesnt want to be Goblin anymore? diddums. If mass-murders say they dont want to be murders any more, are they allowed to go free and become cops?

[XPac]

I doubt he thinks the goverment is MORE evil then Cap's side did, he just recoginzed that the goverment would have no choice but to unleash Gyrich and Wide-Awake if every superhuman in the country went against the goverment.



Sadly, you're right. it IS his best looking costume.

Stark was the one that believed the government would kill them all if they didn't side with them. Cap (perhaps naively) probalby didn't think things would get that far. And after that What If, where the Watcher tells him that the government does in fact KILL them, he basically knows how twisted they can be.

Again, Stark was the first one to try and STOP this. So it shouldn't be a surpise to anyone that he doesn't necessarily care about the SHRA provided his people at least in the short term are in the clear. He'll go in SHRA mode again if there's no other crisis on the horizen that need hero unity, and if the government and public get all paranoid again. But right now, he's just being practical in putting that on the back burner.

[Alphaxman]

nuh uh! his Civil War outfit was good! the one seen on the back of the civil war cover

http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/0806/Civil_War_4_edited.jpg

That was Perez last design for his outfit witch I feel is still his best one. But I do like his jacket.

[TotalWorldDomination]

has he actually made exceptions for anyone who he could force to sign it? And hunting the New Avengers was never, ever a worth-while escapade for the Mighty Avengers. After their initial run at it, giving up was the best thing. Dont want to waste tax payers money when there are perfectly good baddies to lock away instead, surely.

It's a good point, but it dosn't excuse him from not trying to capture them at all. Cops don't simply give up hunting criminals because they're hard to capture and there are worse guys around. they STILL have to do it, especially with criminals as high-profile as the NA's.

And oh yeah, you DO want Spiderman in jail. because he clearly doesnt want to register. So you'd want him in jail. and you want Norman Osbourne on the streets? He doesnt want to be Goblin anymore? diddums. If mass-murders say they dont want to be murders any more, are they allowed to go free and become cops?

For story reasons I'd prefer spidy simply live life as a fugitive. he was attacked by cops before, he'll do so again. If I were stark I'd be hunting him down pretty hard though, and I think if push came to shove again Peter would man up and sign. Of course god only knows what OMD has done to his CW involvement...

And lets point out Norman is mentally ill, or at least that's how he's being presented now. If all of his problems realy ARE due to his severe mental illness why not give him a chance to redeem himself? I'll repeat that I'd still rather see him behind bars, but at least he's following the law NOW.

Stark was the one that believed the government would kill them all if they didn't side with them. Cap (perhaps naively) probalby didn't think things would get that far. And after that What If, where the Watcher tells him that the government does in fact KILL them, he basically knows how twisted they can be.

If you were fighting a rebellious force of superhumans, you'd have to go lethal too. What Gyrich did he did because there are few other options available to him- albeit the murder of Rhodes was utterly uncalled for, as was the death of cap and most other superhumans, but authorizing lethal force was the only way to realy insure victory. and had the goverment NOT achieved victory, it would be the greatest desaster in American History- firmly establishing superhumans above the people and there goverment, able to do whatever they wanted without consequence. and that's all fine and dandy now, but what happens when theres no cap or Iron Man anymore? Just Arno Stark and a bunch of psychotic vigilantes with god complexes. Still, Gyrich did prove again he's the master of overkill (no pun intended) and a nasty lowlife to boot.

Cap didn't think that the people could or should possibly be (justifiably) afraid of superhumans- that was his flaw.

Again, Stark was the first one to try and STOP this. So it shouldn't be a surpise to anyone that he doesn't necessarily care about the SHRA provided his people at least in the short term are in the clear. He'll go in SHRA mode again if there's no other crisis on the horizen that need hero unity, and if the government and public get all paranoid again. But right now, he's just being practical in putting that on the back burner.

I doubt stark would stop if his people are only clear in the short term. He knows registration is the only long-term solution to out-of-control superhuman activity that dosn't end with all superhumans dead, depowered or in camps. If stark were to say "the second this is over, I'm coming after you" I'd be MORE then happy, but I doubt that's what's going to happen.

[XPac]

If you were fighting a rebellious force of superhumans, you'd have to go lethal too. What Gyrich did he did because there are few other options available to him- albeit the murder of Rhodes was utterly uncalled for, as was the death of cap and most other superhumans, but authorizing lethal force was the only way to realy insure victory. and had the goverment NOT achieved victory, it would be the greatest desaster in American History- firmly establishing superhumans above the people and there goverment, able to do whatever they wanted without consequence. and that's all fine and dandy now, but what happens when theres no cap or Iron Man anymore? Just Arno Stark and a bunch of psychotic vigilantes with god complexes. Still, Gyrich did prove again he's the master of overkill (no pun intended) and a nasty lowlife to boot.

Cap didn't think that the people could or should possibly be (justifiably) afraid of superhumans- that was his flaw.



I doubt stark would stop if his people are only clear in the short term. He knows registration is the only long-term solution to out-of-control superhuman activity that dosn't end with all superhumans dead, depowered or in camps. If stark were to say "the second this is over, I'm coming after you" I'd be MORE then happy, but I doubt that's what's going to happen.

I disagree. This was NOT a conflict where lethal force was necessary. Or even desireable. The heroes are a resource necessary to the survival of mankind. Their deaths will the greatest disaster in the history of america, if not the universe itself. The universe nearly came to an end in McDuffie's FF story arc... what are the odds Gyrich and his army of Clors would or could take the FF and Dr. Strange's place in saving the universe there? Not to high, I suspect.

I don't know where the notion that superhumans could do whatever they want without consequnce without a registration... the MU existed for decades without a registration. But plenty of superhumans were put in jail for breaking laws. Happened to supervillains all the time. And post SHRA, that frankly hasn't changed.

[Will.S]

The multiple inkers in this issue already annoys me from what I see in the credits and from what I notice of the art but so far very good dialogue and Bagley has some really nice art here, especially his Spider-Woman. Makes me wish that he had drawn more Avengers stuff than mostly Ultimate books.

It's going to be interesting to see what Tony does throughout Secret Invasion although we do see the follow-up to this whole convo in Illuminati.

[mindcrime]

this is marvel's fix all. this is where the heroes all become chummy again & the SHRA gets thrown aside. nice...thanks for getting me to waste a year of my life defending tony, marvel. if i would have known you were just going to fix it, i could have been doing other things.:mad:

[XPac]

this is marvel's fix all. this is where the heroes all become chummy again & the SHRA gets thrown aside. nice...thanks for getting me to waste a year of my life defending tony, marvel. if i would have known you were just going to fix it, i could have been doing other things.:mad:

I doubt things will get chummy... clearly there are still huge trust issues. And the whole Skrull Invasion isn't going to help that.

All this means is that Tony has more important things do to right now than chase after heroes he knows aren't threats. And that's reasonable.

[jonwes]

this is marvel's fix all. this is where the heroes all become chummy again & the SHRA gets thrown aside. nice...thanks for getting me to waste a year of my life defending tony, marvel. if i would have known you were just going to fix it, i could have been doing other things.:mad:

If Tony or any other pro-SHRA hero was more worried about tracking other heroes down than preventing a total alien invasion, the fans would be calling them idiots and I'd agree.

I agree with Xpac, it won't just be healed away. Civil War was a huge seller, and the current state of the Marvel universe has been very good in terms of creativity and sales, which is what Marvel wanted. They've said again and again that they wanted to make it a more tense, dangerous universe. I think it'll still be that after Secret Invasion. If anything, I think the New Avengers status as on-the-run heroes might be settled. I don't know how, but maybe they're given full pardons or something. But even if that happened, it wouldn't change the hard feelings between the characters or trust issues.

[TotalWorldDomination]

this is marvel's fix all. this is where the heroes all become chummy again & the SHRA gets thrown aside. nice...thanks for getting me to waste a year of my life defending tony, marvel. if i would have known you were just going to fix it, i could have been doing other things.:mad:

Exactly. I've put way too much effort into my rampant support of the SHRA for him to bend now.

I doubt things will get chummy... clearly there are still huge trust issues. And the whole Skrull Invasion isn't going to help that.

All this means is that Tony has more important things do to right now than chase after heroes he knows aren't threats. And that's reasonable.

Are you kidding? they are more a threat now then ever! Since he has no information or authority over them they are PRIMED for skrull infiltration/manipulation. What happens when the skrulls convince the NA's that Iron Man, Pym and Richards are all Skrulls? You're going to have squads of Unregistered superhumans using non-approved methods to strike at the parts of shield that are NOT corrupted, making the problem 10x worse.

Tony needs to capture them now, and convince them to get on board so they can stop this invasion rather then have Luke be mindlessly manipulated like the NA's have been since the beginning.

I agree with Xpac, it won't just be healed away. Civil War was a huge seller, and the current state of the Marvel universe has been very good in terms of creativity and sales, which is what Marvel wanted. They've said again and again that they wanted to make it a more tense, dangerous universe. I think it'll still be that after Secret Invasion. If anything, I think the New Avengers status as on-the-run heroes might be settled. I don't know how, but maybe they're given full pardons or something. But even if that happened, it wouldn't change the hard feelings between the characters or trust issues.

They've been offered full pardons at least twice now if they just register. They have refused to do so. If they are not under the SHRA, they cannot be active superheroes in this country without being fugitives. It's that simple. they start playing with that and they are messing with the fabric of what made Civil War so interesting.

[Shyft]

Are you kidding? they are more a threat now then ever! Since he has no information or authority over them they are PRIMED for skrull infiltration/manipulation. What happens when the skrulls convince the NA's that Iron Man, Pym and Richards are all Skrulls? You're going to have squads of Unregistered superhumans using non-approved methods to strike at the parts of shield that are NOT corrupted, making the problem 10x worse.

Tony needs to capture them now, and convince them to get on board so they can stop this invasion rather then have Luke be mindlessly manipulated like the NA's have been since the beginning.


No, the Skrulls within SHIELD are quite obviously the more pressing issue. Yes the NA could cause trouble if they were Skrull infiltrated, but they couldn't kill everyone on the planet. A Skrull infiltrated SHIELD could. Tony should be focusing on getting his own house in order first, not going after the NA because of the POSSIBILITY they could have a Skrull, maybe. Not when its clear SHIELD has Skrulls by the plenty.

Tony has been being manipulated since the beginning too. Heck it was Luke Cage who first THOUGHT that something was up. And hes easily as paranoid as Tony, if not more so. If a Skrull turned around to him and said "Hey lets go kill Tony Reed and Hank in the SHIELD HQ!" You really think he'd be up for it? It was clear that he mistrusted Tony, yes, but hes also not stupid enough to go storming in there and try to attack possible Skrulls.

[jonwes]

They've been offered full pardons at least twice now if they just register. They have refused to do so. If they are not under the SHRA, they cannot be active superheroes in this country without being fugitives. It's that simple. they start playing with that and they are messing with the fabric of what made Civil War so interesting.

Well, it may not be an official pardon so much as Tony saying "I'm not going to put resources in hunting you down anymore, permanently." Which isn't much different than what he's doing now, and it could be interesting storyline wise once SHIELD and the government realize this.

I just wonder how much longer Tony will be director of SHIELD once Nick is back with Secret Invasion.

[TotalWorldDomination]

No, the Skrulls within SHIELD are quite obviously the more pressing issue. Yes the NA could cause trouble if they were Skrull infiltrated, but they couldn't kill everyone on the planet. A Skrull infiltrated SHIELD could. Tony should be focusing on getting his own house in order first, not going after the NA because of the POSSIBILITY they could have a Skrull, maybe. Not when its clear SHIELD has Skrulls by the plenty.

Tony has been being manipulated since the beginning too. Heck it was Luke Cage who first THOUGHT that something was up. And hes easily as paranoid as Tony, if not more so. If a Skrull turned around to him and said "Hey lets go kill Tony Reed and Hank in the SHIELD HQ!" You really think he'd be up for it? It was clear that he mistrusted Tony, yes, but hes also not stupid enough to go storming in there and try to attack possible Skrulls.

The Skrulls within shield ARE the problem, that's why the NA's are so dangerous. By having a non-registered team outside of SHIELD, the skrulls have a force that can eliminate the areas of SHIELD that they have no control over. As long as Tony and Hank are involved, they can't take total control over SHIELD and SHIELD assets. With the NA's they have the perfect tool to finally take total control of shield and prevent Tony from fixing the situation. Lets be honest, there is no way the heroes can win if she Skrulls take over SHIELD. Without the assets that SHIELD provides, the heroes have no method of striking back at a secret underground organization.

The Skrulls are not going to show up at Strange's house and go- "Hey guys! You want to do me a favor and kill tony stark? that would be nifty." they are going to do what they did the whole time, play on the paranoia and mistrust in these groups to manipulate them to there own ends. It'll be a subtle way, but the Skrulls have proven they can play this game very well, so having Luke Cage and the NA's make it impossible for tony to root out the Skrulls in sheild would not be unheard of.

Well, it may not be an official pardon so much as Tony saying "I'm not going to put resources in hunting you down anymore, permanently." Which isn't much different than what he's doing now, and it could be interesting storyline wise once SHIELD and the government realize this.

This is exactly what I am afraid of. He can't just ignore them, or he's going to be ousted as director of shield. Nick Fury may be the best possible director, but tony's the one who recruited him and he's the best option the MU has right now. having him shirk his duty when it comes to the NA's would be very frustrating.

I just wonder how much longer Tony will be director of SHIELD once Nick is back with Secret Invasion.

about 8 minutes. Of course they'll just reveal that Nick Fury to be a Skrull so tony will be back beforethe end of SI ;)

[Tobias Drake]

Well, it may not be an official pardon so much as Tony saying "I'm not going to put resources in hunting you down anymore, permanently." Which isn't much different than what he's doing now, and it could be interesting storyline wise once SHIELD and the government realize this.

I just wonder how much longer Tony will be director of SHIELD once Nick is back with Secret Invasion.

It's a pardon if they register. Note: if they register. Tony explicitly stated that qualifier when he offered the pardon, at least during WWH. He is essentially saying, "If y'all come in, sign up, and start doing things legitimately, I won't press charges against you for all the rebellious vigilante action you've been doing." He's not saying "Go ahead, keep being vigilantes, I won't lift a finger."

[Shyft]

The Skrulls within shield ARE the problem, that's why the NA's are so dangerous. By having a non-registered team outside of SHIELD, the skrulls have a force that can eliminate the areas of SHIELD that they have no control over. As long as Tony and Hank are involved, they can't take total control over SHIELD and SHIELD assets. With the NA's they have the perfect tool to finally take total control of shield and prevent Tony from fixing the situation. Lets be honest, there is no way the heroes can win if she Skrulls take over SHIELD. Without the assets that SHIELD provides, the heroes have no method of striking back at a secret underground organization.

The Skrulls are not going to show up at Strange's house and go- "Hey guys! You want to do me a favor and kill tony stark? that would be nifty." they are going to do what they did the whole time, play on the paranoia and mistrust in these groups to manipulate them to there own ends. It'll be a subtle way, but the Skrulls have proven they can play this game very well, so having Luke Cage and the NA's make it impossible for tony to root out the Skrulls in sheild would not be unheard of.

Im sorry, but that line of logic makes no sense. For a start, the NA clearly dont have the power to oust Tony and co from the SHIELD leadership. Seconly, the NA arent completely incompetant, they have Dr. Strange, Spiderman is a genius (not that hes ever written as showing it, *sigh*) Iron Fist has the funds, and Wolverine already has a level head about the situation.

If Tony spends time dedicating himself to capturing the NA, hes is not concetrating on sorting SHIELD out. Wheras if he sorted out SHIELD first (an act that the NA would have not way or reason to interfere with) he can then focus on Skrulls elsewhere, and hell, even go after the NA THEN.

sorting out the corruption within SHIELD has to come first.the NA have nothing to do with that, could not make it worse if they tried, and could not help if they were brought in.


Look at what we know. We KNOW SHIELD is corrupted. Therefore so is, potentially every team that SHIELD runs. the NA, being seperate from SHIELD, have a MUCH better chance of being un-infiltrated. Bring in the NA and you contaminate the last element of independant power by giving the Skrulls access to them.

Look at a best case/worst case scenario.

THE NA ARE LEFT ALONE - BEST CASE
The NA are left alone. They have no Skrulls, they help defeat the Skrulls because they were seperate from SHIELD and thus uninfiltrated by the SHIELD Skrulls.

THE NA ARE LEFT ALONE - WORST CASE
The NA are left alone. They have a Skrull, who convinces them to attack SHIELD. Tony &co would swiftly defeat them and bring them in. Because Tony has been focusing on finding the Skrulls rather than hunting the NA, he has made progress in getting them out of SHIELD, and the NA help that process.


THE NA ARE HUNTED - BEST CASE
The NA are hunted down. Tony spends lots of time and money trying to catch the NA, and eventually does so. They are added to the forces under SHIELD, thus aiding in the fight against the Skrulls but also now open to Skrull infiltration. Because Tony focused on catching them, the SKrulls have tightened their grip on SHIELD.


THE NA ARE HUNTED - WORST CASE
The Hunt for the NA takes more time and money than TOny Stark anticipated. All the while, the Skrulls are getting their claws deeper into SHIELD. By the time the NA are eventually brought in, the Skrulls are so in control of SHIELD that its basically too late.


The worst case scenario is much worse if Tony start doesnt focus firstly and foremostly on stopping the corruption within SHIELD.

[worstblogever]

Did he just lie to her about shutting down, since the armor was still giving him sit-reps in his head?

[Tobias Drake]

THE NA ARE LEFT ALONE - WORST CASE
The NA are left alone. They have a Skrull, who convinces them to attack SHIELD. Tony &co would swiftly defeat them and bring them in. Because Tony has been focusing on finding the Skrulls rather than hunting the NA, he has made progress in getting them out of SHIELD, and the NA help that process.

I disagree. Worst case, the New Avengers are replaced one by one by Skrulls, taken easily by their own fugitive natures, until the entire team is Skrully. As renegade fugitives hiding in a decrepit old house probably already belonging to a Skrull, they're incredibly easy targets.

[streator]

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/006951523.cfm

looks... okay. this book isn't going to be the same without cho, but at least it'll come out regularly.

[Toboe]

Did he just lie to her about shutting down, since the armor was still giving him sit-reps in his head?

*Recording*
Tony: We're not recording this.

So much for her trust. Although he didn't answer when she asked him if she could trust him anyway...

[Shyft]

I disagree. Worst case, the New Avengers are replaced one by one by Skrulls, taken easily by their own fugitive natures, until the entire team is Skrully. As renegade fugitives hiding in a decrepit old house probably already belonging to a Skrull, they're incredibly easy targets.

Again, the NA aren't completely incompetant. Everyone seems to think that if the Skrulls decide the infiltrate the NA, thats it, the NA are done. Id be inclined to say that they could handle it.

[Will.S]

Again, the NA aren't completely incompetant. Everyone seems to think that if the Skrulls decide the infiltrate the NA, thats in, the NA are done. Id be inclined to say that they could handle it.
I would agree.

[XPac]

Are you kidding? they are more a threat now then ever! Since he has no information or authority over them they are PRIMED for skrull infiltration/manipulation. What happens when the skrulls convince the NA's that Iron Man, Pym and Richards are all Skrulls? You're going to have squads of Unregistered superhumans using non-approved methods to strike at the parts of shield that are NOT corrupted, making the problem 10x worse.

Tony needs to capture them now, and convince them to get on board so they can stop this invasion rather then have Luke be mindlessly manipulated like the NA's have been since the beginning.




Is it Luke's side that has been manipulated? Seems to me that the Skrulls are using the Initiaitive to achieve their goals... while Lukes side was the one that has uncovered the Skrulls plot in the first place, which is likely the last thing the Skrulls wanted.

The early NA arcs suggested that the government itself is corrupted... that means that the heroes who are acting outside of government control are frankly harder for the Skrulls to manipulate. Hell, it was Tony himself in Illuminati that suggested the Civil War stuff was initiated by the Skrulls. They're more a wild card because they're out there on their own, and that potentially makes them more of a blind spot in the Skrulls plans.

I think a part of the reason that Bendis created 2 teams of Avengers in the positions they are in now is because there will be advantages in having one team in and outside of the system.

[XPac]

He's not saying "Go ahead, keep being vigilantes, I won't lift a finger."

I have to wonder if at this point, Stark saying he doesn't care about the registration doesn't mean just that.

Because that's exactly what he ended up doing in WWH and during the Venom virus fiasco. They were vigilantes, and he didn't lift a finger.

[XPac]

I disagree. Worst case, the New Avengers are replaced one by one by Skrulls, taken easily by their own fugitive natures, until the entire team is Skrully. As renegade fugitives hiding in a decrepit old house probably already belonging to a Skrull, they're incredibly easy targets.

If Strange is a Skrull, that's correct. If Strange isn't, then it's probably the safest place on earth.

Realistically, even if the Skrulls could take control of the NA the fact that they're outlaws already hunted by the government with no real influence over anything makes them a far less likely target. Taking down the NA is a difficult task with minimal rewards unless the NA become too much of a problem.

[Tobias Drake]

Again, the NA aren't completely incompetant. Everyone seems to think that if the Skrulls decide the infiltrate the NA, thats it, the NA are done. Id be inclined to say that they could handle it.

It isn't about being incompetent, though. They have next to no security. The entire bulk of their security is Dr. Strange. If Strange is a Skrull, as I suspect he is, then they're already screwed and don't even realize it.

They don't have to be incompetent to simply be in a bad situation. If Strange is a Skrull, then his mansion, loaded down with magic artifacts, is a deathtrap waiting to happen. It would be so easy to isolate any one of them. Jessica, if not already taken, can be taken while the Avengers are away. Luke can be taken by Jessica and Strange during the night. Hawkeye can be taken from wherever he hangs out in the mansion, Echo can be taken by Hawkeye. Spider-Man can swing in to a team entirely made up of Skrulls and be taken as a group effort along with who knows how many Super-Skrulls, all of which can show their hands easily because of Strange's spell keeping any noise or violence from spilling out into public streets. Wolverine, same as Spider-Man, when he deigns to pop by.

It all comes down to Strange. If he is a Skrull, they are living in the den of the enemy, waiting to be captured.

[XPac]

It isn't about being incompetent, though. They have next to no security. The entire bulk of their security is Dr. Strange. If Strange is a Skrull, as I suspect he is, then they're already screwed and don't even realize it.

They don't have to be incompetent to simply be in a bad situation. If Strange is a Skrull, then his mansion, loaded down with magic artifacts, is a deathtrap waiting to happen. It would be so easy to isolate any one of them. Jessica, if not already taken, can be taken while the Avengers are away. Luke can be taken by Jessica and Strange during the night. Hawkeye can be taken from wherever he hangs out in the mansion, Echo can be taken by Hawkeye. Spider-Man can swing in to a team entirely made up of Skrulls and be taken as a group effort along with who knows how many Super-Skrulls, all of which can show their hands easily because of Strange's spell keeping any noise or violence from spilling out into public streets. Wolverine, same as Spider-Man, when he deigns to pop by.

It all comes down to Strange. If he is a Skrull, they are living in the den of the enemy, waiting to be captured.

Course, if Strange really is a Skrull then why haven't they done that already? As you said, they easily could have.

[Will.S]

Course, if Strange really is a Skrull then why haven't they done that already? As you said, they easily could have.
Maybe he's a sleeper skrull.

[Exo]

I have to wonder if at this point, Stark saying he doesn't care about the registration doesn't mean just that.

Because that's exactly what he ended up doing in WWH and during the Venom virus fiasco. They were vigilantes, and he didn't lift a finger.

I think a global invasion is more important than signing a piece of paper. Tony probably thinks so too. And we haven't seen the end of the venom story. Perhaps in the aftermath the NA ran away behind Tony's back as his priorities lied elsewhere (like maintaining damage control after the epidemic).

[Will.S]

I think a global invasion is more important than signing a piece of paper. Tony probably thinks so too.
Yeah, I mean even with Civil War splintering the Illuminati Tony still called a meeting between them to figure out what they were going to do about the skrull infiltration.

Of course this wasn't going to unify either them since Black Bolt was a skrull and Namor just ran off after the fight with the Super Skrulls so there's probably going to be an even bigger amount of mistrust after this.

[XPac]

I think a global invasion is more important than signing a piece of paper. Tony probably thinks so too. And we haven't seen the end of the venom story. Perhaps in the aftermath the NA ran away behind Tony's back as his priorities lied elsewhere (like maintaining damage control after the epidemic).

Perhaps.

Maybe Cage was distoring the facts to Jessica, and Tony was lying about not caring about the registration anymore. I'll take both at their word until the comics give me reason not to though. But we'll see.