Was the Extremis armor upgrade a good idea?

[SquidSquod]

Extremis Iron Man means writers don't know how to effectively utilize and improve tech based (aka electromagnetic-mechanical) based armor. I could think of many ways to improve Iron Man without resorting to a extremis frankenstein that he's now and basically making his ability a bit more consistent and not as dismissable as he's with extremis.

1. Being without extremis means his body more vulnerable. Solution: More regular use of Energy Bubble. There are many instances that he allows melee attackers close him up. Use the energy bubble to make sure melee attackers don't get to close for comfort.

2. Being without extremis means he can't call up the armor quickly. Wrong. The outer armor is called by somekind of subspace warping tech. Why not use that too for the undersheath.

3. Being without extremis means he's not agile enough to check on agile opponents. Well as far as I know, this particular extremis trait doesn't come up that often after the Extremis arc itself. So while playing against agile opponents, why not judiciously use a) energy bubble (you can hit him, but it'll cost you) and b) wide-arc rays/seeker projectiles?

4. Being without extremis means he can't multitask and hack into any infonet. Now this is a tough one and I believe the best extremis ability. But for a good programmer that he's and in the spirit that "this is a man, not a superhero" premise, he should have prepared little programs aka snippets that he can use for hacking or any little uses.

5. Again the best part for not having extremis is Iron Man is truely just a Man. He's not a mutant, not a steroid enhanced man, not an alien, not a god. He's just a man that needs to turn his brain and actually creates something to even the odds (I am looking at you Batman, who has the luxury of almost having nothing to win the day).

[Alan2099]

1. Being without extremis means his body more vulnerable.
That's a good thing. Remember when he had the heart problem, or the driniking problem? Ironman works best when there's "weak flesh" under that strong armor.

2. Being without extremis means he can't call up the armor quickly.
Not really. Have him wear an form fitting skintight tech suit under his clothes that on command would call the armor to him to attach itself into place. They used something like that on the cartoon series.

3. Being without extremis means he's not agile enough to check on agile opponents.
If it was easy to beat a supervillian, there wouldn't be much point in fighting them.

4. Being without extremis means he can't multitask and hack into any infonet.
While I don't mind him having certain gizmos to use or having autopilot for his armor or anything, I never liked this. It makes him seem too much of a robot. To me, it used to the metal was the first thign you saw and the human body was underneath, not you see the human but underneath all that he's practicaly as much a machine as his armor.

5. Again the best part for not having extremis is Iron Man is truely just a Man. He's not a mutant, not a steroid enhanced man, not an alien, not a god. He's just a man that needs to turn his brain and actually creates something to even the odds (I am looking at you Batman, who has the luxury of almost having nothing to win the day).
AGREED!

[jonwes]

Alan, you do realize the original poster was saying why he DIDN'T like Extremis, didn't you? Anyway, I like Extremis. It means that not just anyone can put the suit on. If anything, the writers haven't been as inventive with his new powers as they should.

[Alan2099]

I don't like Extremis either.

[mindcrime]

b]Extremis Armor[/b] (here's everything you need to know about extremis)

After being critically injured during a battle with a nanotech-enhanced foe, Stark injected his nervous system with a modified techno-organic virus to save his own life. This fused Stark's armor to his body, allowing him to store the inner layers of the Iron Man armor in the hollows of his bones as well as control it through direct brain impulses. The Extremis enhancement has turned Stark into a sort of cyborg, whereby the usage of his existing lockchip (a personal area networking implement implanted in his forearm) is directly integrated into his nervous system.

His new armor is no longer a bulky unit which houses its own AI "response server" and miscellaneous interfaces for neural control. Instead, it is more lightweight (constructed of a pliable crystalline material which molecular structure can collimate into super-hard planes upon the application of an electrical field) and less complex (as it interfaces directly to Stark's brain via the Extremis-modified cybernetic connections), and has much faster response time since it effectively functions like Stark's second skin.

He is also able to remotely connect to external communications systems such as satellites, cellular phones, and computers through the PAN interconnect (that is now thought-controlled). Because the armor's operating system is now directly connected to Stark's nervous system, its response time has been significantly improved.

Another major departure from the previous armors is expansion of repulsor technology. The "repulsor flight system" provides lift (something like anti-gravity) and positive flight control (pitch, roll and yaw), while the usual rocket boots provide the armor with thrust. The same repulsor technology allows the individual pieces of the armor to levitate and assemble themselves, by modulating what Stark referred to as "vectored Repulsor fields".

Furthermore, the Extremis process has endowed Stark with a 'healing factor' and possibly even enhanced physical abilities, as he was confident enough to challenge Logan/Wolverine to a fight (and even challenging to see who's capable of recovering faster from the other's attack). It was later stated that the Extremis enhancement speeded up a person's repair process and hence the body's cells died and regenerated at a faster rate. This effectively made Tony Stark immune to cancer and gave him his 'healing factor'.

In the "Iron Man: The Inevitable" storyline, it was shown that it's not only Tony Stark's body and the interfacing undersheath that has self-healing properties. Even the Iron Man armor has the ability to self-heal and self-repair, presumably through the use of nanotechnology. The armor is also able to store power throughout its structure, indicating that instead of having main batteries mounted around the waist as in the older Iron Man armors, the Extremis armor incorporates distributed and decentralized energy storage.

Note: Although Extremis for reasons of simplicity is referred to as "a virus", it is not. The Extremis process involved injecting several billion microscopic nanotubes, which act as information carriers, into the brain. The brain is then partly reprogrammed; the so-called "repair center", that part of the brain which maintains an "integrity map" of the body, is told that the body is wrong. The physical reaction is that the entire body regrows itself, remaking itself per the Extremis instructions. Extremis itself, the original information package, is not involved; neither are "nanobots". Further research of the Extremis effect indicated it can cause extreme paranoia, alienation and bouts of aggression in the subject. It has been suggested that this (partly) explains Stark's actions during Civil War and the Big Brother style posters of himself he has had placed around New York.[/QUOTE] [/QUOTE]

[Exo]

Though the extremis is more of a biological evolution it's the best upgrade Ironman will likely get as it enables him to be intimately linked with his armor and technology in general. You can make a list of substitutes to the extremis but that would mean taking a step backwards in technological evolution. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_evolution)

[Will.S]

I love the extremis, best upgrade ever.

[matthewaos]

I don't have a problem with extremis, but it might be a little too much, and they just stole it from Deus ex Machina (that great comic). I think the spider-sence is really insulting, and he hasn't use it after CW #7.

[SquidSquod]

I don't have a problem with extremis, but it might be a little too much, and they just stole it from Deus ex Machina (that great comic). I think the spider-sence is really insulting, and he hasn't use it after CW #7.

Well, Peter outhacks Tony is also insulting to Tony's genius. We're talking 616 Peter here, a biochem genius against Tony Stark who devotes some time of his life creating Operating System for his armor and other programs for his facilities in addition to his mechanical and electrical system expertise. So the best way to explain it is Stark doesn't have any security measures implemented in Iron Spider and let Peter slip away like in Millar's Civil War #5. But JMS has to rub it in the wrong way and it's only fair the Knaufs and Slott balance it out.

[Diablito]

I like the Extremis upgrade because it gave Iron Man powers. It may sound superficial, but I'd rather read about a superhero who has powers than a superhero with no powers.

[XPac]

Though it's an interesting upgrade, I'm going to say NO... I don't think it was a good idea.

Tony Stark, perhaps more than even Bat-Man or Cap was an ordinary man. Yes, he's a billionarie with all sorts of toys, but I actually liked the idea of an ordinary human through brains and resources managing to hang with upper tier guys.

Now that Stark has joined the superhuman club, to me anyways it kind of takes away something.

[SquidSquod]

I like Iron Man just a Man. He relies on tech (electrical, mechanical, information science, metallurgy, chemistry) but less on bio. I actually longs for Spider-Man to snatch on that biotech mastery.

[OnslaughtKILLS]

I like the extremis, as it puts him in the league that he has been wanting for such a long time. And hey, the powers he obtained are pretty cool.

[XPac]

I like the extremis, as it puts him in the league that he has been wanting for such a long time. And hey, the powers he obtained are pretty cool.

Funny thing is that even though he's VASTLY more powerful now than he's ever been, he's actually getting beat more often too.

[SquidSquod]

^ Especially the visor get taken off, first Spidey then Bucky. For all people, Bucky?

Give Extremis to Steve Rogers when he wakes up, Tony ought to rely more on his brains and inventions.

[Will.S]

Despite the fact that it seems to take away Tony's self reliance as a regular non powered human, Warren Ellis still came up with a good reason for Tony to use the extremis.

Tony's tech had advanced far beyond his capabilities to master the suit accurately anymore so he uses the extremis to make that connection perfect and much smoother, he even helped modify the extremis with Maya. In fact his fights with Mallen in that story are a perfect example, he got totaled and was somewhat sluggish without the extremis. After he got it, he beat the crap out of Mallen until he had to resort to lethal force towards the end of the fight and he had no desire to kill him.

[SquidSquod]

Actually if Iron Man utilizes all his knowledge of energy shielding, and think of a better wide-arc pulse bolt/repulsors/uni-beam there won't be needing of extremis. Mallen like any invincible guys still has weakness in the head.

[Will.S]

Actually if Iron Man utilizes all his knowledge of energy shielding, and think of a better wide-arc pulse bolt/repulsors/uni-beam there won't be needing of extremis. Mallen like any invincible guys still has weakness in the head.
Mallen was still too fast for him previous to the upgrade.

[XPac]

^ Especially the visor get taken off, first Spidey then Bucky. For all people, Bucky?

Give Extremis to Steve Rogers when he wakes up, Tony ought to rely more on his brains and inventions.

Steve Rogers having extremis would hinder him as a character the way I feel it hinders Tony.

[Dr. Chaos]

For all people, Bucky?
You're talking about a guy that could rip Tony to shreds, man to man, outside of the suit.

Ripping off the visor isn't exactly rocket science with a metal arm.

[lonewolf23k]

I like the Extremis upgrade because it gave Iron Man powers. It may sound superficial, but I'd rather read about a superhero who has powers than a superhero with no powers.

That's ridiculous. It's not the Superpowers that makes the Superhero, it's the will to do heroics with what you've got. And in Tony Stark's case, what he had was a brilliant engineering mind, techskills ahead of his time, and the money to build the build his power armor.

I wouldn't really mind the Extremis if it was his invention, either, but it's not. It is, as one would call it in Superhero RPGs, a "Radiation Accident". A Deus Ex Machina incident that grants an existing hero some new abilities.

In RPG terms, it's as if Tony Stark's player had saved up a bunch of character points gained from past adventures, then suddenly bought a big ol' "Extremis" template to give his character some new tricks.

[Shyft]

i dont like it, because its made him a bit of a Cable rip off, and also apparantly now there is nothing he cant do. Replicating Spider-Sense? No thanks. I like my heroes with limits.

[Trey]

I feel it has advanced IM, rather than hindered him. If you have been reading, you know that Extremis comes with a whole new set of problems for Stark.

It's also the next step in the evolution of an "Iron Man". Stark has to stay ahead of the next guy, and like it or not, man/machine integration is even possible right now. So its great to see writers take it to the extreme in the Marvel U.

and grabbing a teengager w/DS by the balls? Iron man is worse than Hitler!!!

[lonewolf23k]

Like I said, Trey.. What bothers me is that it's not something he invented, it's a science accident. I'd like it a lot better if it had been something he made himself.

Maybe he could get the Extremis removed, and be forced to create his own version...

[OnslaughtKILLS]

Like I said, Trey.. What bothers me is that it's not something he invented, it's a science accident. I'd like it a lot better if it had been something he made himself.

Maybe he could get the Extremis removed, and be forced to create his own version...

Actually what the extremis would have done was just made him stronger, faster, etc. He actually changed it so the armor was linked to his brain, there was an under armor beneath his skin, and he could contact all machinery.

What you are recommending is that he created all this through machine parts. That no longer makes him a Batman, but someone who could literally create anything. It's abnormal, even to comic standards.

[bethanycabe69]

Well I want Iron Man with consistently good writer(s) (outside his book too) who never have him getting troubled by the likes of frakkin' bucky (winter soldier? PLEASE sounds like a cough drop or snow melt:rolleyes: ). Extremis is fine, as long as it is used to its full potential. Marvel better start having IM kick ass instead of the other way around. You know, INVINCIBLE!:D

[Will.S]

i dont like it, because its made him a bit of a Cable rip off, and also apparantly now there is nothing he cant do. Replicating Spider-Sense? No thanks. I like my heroes with limits.
Given the way JMS writes Iron Man as an inept idiot when he guest stars in a Spider-Man book, it's only fair for an Iron Man writer to make Iron Man win even if the idea of something like replicating a spider-sense isn't that great.

[lonewolf23k]

Actually what the extremis would have done was just made him stronger, faster, etc. He actually changed it so the armor was linked to his brain, there was an under armor beneath his skin, and he could contact all machinery.

What you are recommending is that he created all this through machine parts. That no longer makes him a Batman, but someone who could literally create anything. It's abnormal, even to comic standards.

He's an Engineer and an Inventor! How is this a stretch, considering all of the other bits and pieces of sophisticated ultra-tech devices he's built already? Amongst other things, he's built battlesuits that compress the abilities of battleships into a man-sized frame, has programmed fully-functional AIs, invented a neural-interface telepresence system to operate his armors and LMDs remotely (long before Extremis), and liquid metal "S.K.I.N." armor.

If Tony Stark wanted to create something like Extremis as an armor upgrade, he could've done so himself and I'd have absolutely no trouble believing it.

[myslead]

I take the extremis upgrade as the omega mutation that mutants get :)

[matthewaos]

The fact that JMS was writing the star of his book win over Iron Man is not justify IM's spider-sence.

[XPac]

Given the way JMS writes Iron Man as an inept idiot when he guest stars in a Spider-Man book, it's only fair for an Iron Man writer to make Iron Man win even if the idea of something like replicating a spider-sense isn't that great.

Realistically, Iron Man and Spidey aren't exactly in the same league anyways. There are a dozen ways Iron Man can get the better of Spider-Man without creating a stupid plot device move that will eventually be at best ignored and at worst criticized.

[SquidSquod]

Mallen was still too fast for him previous to the upgrade.

Keep the agility with Mallen.

Like Spidey vs Hulk, "fast"/agility doesn't mean anything if you have superior offensive and defensive capability. My solution is Iron Man should have really more on Energy shield bubble and wide-arc/omnidirectional offense.

[SquidSquod]

You're talking about a guy that could rip Tony to shreds, man to man, outside of the suit.

Ripping off the visor isn't exactly rocket science with a metal arm.

The visor is supposed to be magnetized. Iron Man's durability came from magnetized systems instead of just interlocking metal hinges.

[SquidSquod]

Realistically, Iron Man and Spidey aren't exactly in the same league anyways. There are a dozen ways Iron Man can get the better of Spider-Man without creating a stupid plot device move that will eventually be at best ignored and at worst criticized.

Spider sense is to even up JMS dumb story of Spidey hacking Iron Man system. And Slott is using it for his Scarlet Spiders.

[Will.S]

The fact that JMS was writing the star of his book win over Iron Man is not justify IM's spider-sence.
I would say that another losing fight with Spider-Man in OMD pretty much does.

Realistically, Iron Man and Spidey aren't exactly in the same league anyways. There are a dozen ways Iron Man can get the better of Spider-Man without creating a stupid plot device move that will eventually be at best ignored and at worst criticized.
It really wasn't that big of a deal to me, at least there was explanation for it with the Iron Spider suit. We all knew that it was analyzing Spider-Man's abilities all along and Tony always adapts his suits for counter measures. If you didn't like it that's fine because it hasn't been used again so it's no big whup.

[XPac]

I would say that another losing fight with Spider-Man in OMD pretty much does.


It really wasn't that big of a deal to me, at least there was explanation for it with the Iron Spider suit. We all knew that it was analyzing Spider-Man's abilities all along and Tony always adapts his suits for counter measures. If you didn't like it that's fine because it hasn't been used again so it's no big whup.

I'm not saying it's a big deal... just saying it was stupid. The fact that it's not being used again adequately justifes why it shouldn't have been used in the first place.

It's not even about making Spiderman look bad, since realistically Spidey is the huge underdog either way. It's about randonly throwing out some plot device ability to deal with one specific instance, never to be seen again. It's weak.

Forall my criticism about extremis, he nice thing about it is that it's at least used. It's not just thrown in there then tossed aside (like some of Spider-Man's upgrades from the Other).

[XPac]

Spider sense is to even up JMS dumb story of Spidey hacking Iron Man system. And Slott is using it for his Scarlet Spiders.

I don't think it's that weird that Peter was able to hack into the thing. He certainly had enough time to tinker with it. The fact is, Stark's stuff gets hacked into all the time.

[SquidSquod]

I don't think it's that weird that Peter was able to hack into the thing. He certainly had enough time to tinker with it. The fact is, Stark's stuff gets hacked into all the time.

616 Spidey is not a hacker. He's a Biochem genius. It would be stupid to equate him with Tony Stark in terms of software engineering and electrical circuitry.

[XPac]

616 Spidey is not a hacker. He's a Biochem genius. It would be stupid to equate him with Tony Stark in terms of software engineering and electrical circuitry.

One of the reasons Stark gave Peter the suit was to get Peter to tinker with the thing. So obviously Stark believed Peter had some engineering skills. No one is saying he's Tony's equal... but he wouldn't necessarily have to be.

Tony in his own arrogance often underestimates his collegues. We've seen in again and again with Cap, Spidery, She-Hulk, and even Thor. This was just another example of that.

[Sean Whitmore]

616 Spidey is not a hacker. He's a Biochem genius.

He's pretty much been as smart as he needs to be in any given field the story calls for since...well, forever.


SEAN

[DeadXMan]

616 Spidy is not a hacker. He's a Biochem genius. It would be stupid to equate him with Tony Stark in terms of software engineering and electrical circuitry.

he doe have some engineering skills
he designed his shooters before Wanda gave him his organic ones

[SquidSquod]

One of the reasons Stark gave Peter the suit was to get Peter to tinker with the thing. So obviously Stark believed Peter had some engineering skills. No one is saying he's Tony's equal... but he wouldn't necessarily have to be.

Tony in his own arrogance often underestimates his collegues. We've seen in again and again with Cap, Spidery, She-Hulk, and even Thor. This was just another example of that.

If there's safeguard inside the suit, then it's not for tinkering.

Anyway this is not for debate. Spidey hacks the safeguard, Iron Man emulates the spider sense. It's Canon.

[Sean Whitmore]

Funny thing is that even though he's VASTLY more powerful now than he's ever been, he's actually getting beat more often too.

To be fair, he's fighting a lot more super heroes now than he ever has.


SEAN

[XPac]

If there's safeguard inside the suit, then it's not for tinkering.

Anyway this is not for debate. Spidey hacks the safeguard, Iron Man emulates the spider sense. It's Canon.

I'm sure Tony didn't intend for Peter to override his safeguards... that's where Tony's arrogance came in. He didn't think Peter would be smart enough to see them. He was wrong, and he paid the price.

I'm not saying Tony emmulating spider senses isn't cannon... it obviously is. I'm just saying it's stupid for a writer to bother giving a character an upgrade if it's basically going to be ignored afterwards. Give him something they can actually use, or don't bother. Seems pointless to me.

[SquidSquod]

he doe have some engineering skills
he designed his shooters before Wanda gave him his organic ones

Shooters are basic mechanical engineering. The whole genius is in the web compound.

Armor safeguard is basically infotech/electrical -> mechanical.

[SquidSquod]

I'm sure Tony didn't intend for Peter to override his safeguards... that's where Tony's arrogance came in. He didn't think Peter would be smart enough to see them. He was wrong, and he paid the price.

I'm not saying Tony emmulating spider senses isn't cannon... it obviously is. I'm just saying it's stupid for a writer to bother giving a character an upgrade if it's basically going to be ignored afterwards. Give him something they can actually use, or don't bother. Seems pointless to me.

The way it's ignored can be explained in various way. But it's one time thing for respecting Spider-Man as it's only used to get even with the Spidey hacking thing in the CW ASM. On the other hand, spidey sense emulation is out there for Scarlet Spiders and whatever villainous intention in the future to use.

[DeadXMan]

the compound is just liquid glue

it was the shooters that made them into webs or balls or what not

not to mention the spidy tracers, and that devise he made to defeat the vulture in there first meeting


)Pete has a degree in bio-chem

But he is an all round genius

[SquidSquod]

the compound is just liquid glue

it was the shooters that made them into webs or balls or what not

not to mention the spidy tracers, and that devise he made to defeat the vulture in there first meeting


)Pete has a degree in bio-chem

But he is an all round genius

Parker is a genius, but Stark is the better man in terms of electromechanical and information systems. Similarly, Parker is a better man in terms of biochemistry and heck, he might know how to handle extremis if he gets his hand on it.

[XPac]

Parker is a genius, but Stark is the better man in terms of electromechanical and information systems. Similarly, Parker is a better man in terms of biochemistry and heck, he might know how to handle extremis if he gets his hand on it.

No one is saying that Stark isn't better at this. It's simply that Peter found what Stark did and changed it, that's all.

As good as Stark is, the fact is that his stuff getting hacked isn't that uncommon.

[Sean Whitmore]

No one is saying that Stark isn't better at this. It's simply that Peter found what Stark did and changed it, that's all.

As good as Stark is, the fact is that his stuff getting hacked isn't that uncommon.

Exactly. Joker has punched Batman, doesn't mean Joker is a better fighter than Batman.


SEAN

[SquidSquod]

No one is saying that Stark isn't better at this. It's simply that Peter found what Stark did and changed it, that's all.

As good as Stark is, the fact is that his stuff getting hacked isn't that uncommon.

I'll give you that.

Stark is mostly reactive in his works, and when he does it (like emulating Spider-sense), it's a wonder.

[bulbasteve]

Well isn't it a simulated spider-sense? The way he describes it, it sounds like he is just talking about the actual sensing part as opposed to whatever spider totem/psychic mumbo jumbo actually senses danger before it happens.

As in it sounds to me like it is just Tony figuring out a more effective system of reponding to the usual proximity alarms and of course also to be able to send signals that confuse Pete (and seeing as how Pete uses spider tracers that makes perfect sense). But I don't think when he is talking about the bio/electral stuff he is talking about being able to know danger before it happens and all the stuff spidey can do, since....I don't think we have EVER gotten any type of scientific explanation for the spidey-sense.

Speaking of spider-powers, I hope BND retcons the sticky mask/sticking on his back stuff. I miss the old taking off his shoes to run up a building. :(

[DeadXMan]

Well isn't it a simulated spider-sense? The way he describes it, it sounds like he is just talking about the actual sensing part as opposed to whatever spider totem/psychic mumbo jumbo actually senses danger before it happens.

As in it sounds to me like it is just Tony figuring out a more effective system of reponding to the usual proximity alarms and of course also to be able to send signals that confuse Pete (and seeing as how Pete uses spider tracers that makes perfect sense). But I don't think when he is talking about the bio/electral stuff he is talking about being able to know danger before it happens and all the stuff spidey can do, since....I don't think we have EVER gotten any type of scientific explanation for the spidey-sense.

Speaking of spider-powers, I hope BND retcons the sticky mask/sticking on his back stuff. I miss the old taking off his shoes to run up a building. :(

I think that's been around since Stan Lee

[superion]

I like the Extremis Iron Man. Didn't Warren Ellis say the reason they created the Extremis Iron Man was to make Tony unique. Now Iron Man can't be just anyone who puts on the Armor which is better in my opinion.

[Tobias Drake]

I'm sure Tony didn't intend for Peter to override his safeguards... that's where Tony's arrogance came in. He didn't think Peter would be smart enough to see them. He was wrong, and he paid the price.

I'm not saying Tony emmulating spider senses isn't cannon... it obviously is. I'm just saying it's stupid for a writer to bother giving a character an upgrade if it's basically going to be ignored afterwards. Give him something they can actually use, or don't bother. Seems pointless to me.

Doesn't Tony have a history of installing whatever upgrades he may need for whatever conflict he's coming up against, regardless of whether or not he'll need them again? Isn't that why there are over 53 variations of his armor?

[psm]

I like the Extremis Iron Man. Didn't Warren Ellis say the reason they created the Extremis Iron Man was to make Tony unique. Now Iron Man can't be just anyone who puts on the Armor which is better in my opinion.

Actually, that makes alot of sense. Personally, I'm torn over the extremis upgrade. I do like the fact that Stark can now naturally interface with machines. It feels like a natural progression for the character. However, I don't care for the whole healing factor shtick. It doesn't seem to fit and takes the character to far from his core concept. Plus, how many characters need a healing factor. Also, I don't care for extremis visually. I would have preferred if there was no under sheath or if it covered him completely.

[XPac]

Doesn't Tony have a history of installing whatever upgrades he may need for whatever conflict he's coming up against, regardless of whether or not he'll need them again? Isn't that why there are over 53 variations of his armor?

The Spider senses thing was in his regular armor... and I would assume it would be pretty much needed in EVERY fight he's in. But obviously it's not something ANY Iron Man writer would want him to have (especially since it's a Spidey trademark) even though common sense should tell him he should. That's why I at least think it's better not giving it to him in the first place.

[Tobias Drake]

The Spider senses thing was in his regular armor... and I would assume it would be pretty much needed in EVERY fight he's in. But obviously it's not something ANY Iron Man writer would want him to have (especially since it's a Spidey trademark) even though common sense should tell him he should. That's why I at least think it's better not giving it to him in the first place.

Granted. I'm sure if they wanted to, a writer could technobabble something about it sucking down too much power for standard use.

[matthewaos]

Oh, I have forgotten the healing factor. I hate all those upgrades. Can the characters be a little downgraded? I mean, make them more human, please... All in all I think that I like the extremis, but it does not give a limit to all those things IM can't do and well, that's bad I think. But either way Iron Man is one hell of a great comic!

[XPac]

Oh, I have forgotten the healing factor. I hate all those upgrades. Can the characters be a little downgraded? I mean, make them more human, please... All in all I think that I like the extremis, but it does not give a limit to all those things IM can't do and well, that's bad I think. But either way Iron Man is one hell of a great comic!

Yeah, the healing factor was a bit much.

Really, everyone has that dam power these days.

[Tobias Drake]

Yeah, the healing factor was a bit much.

Really, everyone has that dam power these days.

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