who you think will die (spoiler if rumors true)

[IamtheRock3]

Recent Wizard talked about it, and they hinted one or more of the people in the final crisis posted dieing. Could scan it but I am lazy. Note Dont think any of the death will be permanent, but think their will be deaths


The heroes

Hal Jordan GL
Wonder Woman
Flash
Hawkman
Batman
Superman




my gut say Hawkman...but not sure...cause WHO CARES about Hawkman...didnt they kill him like 20 times already


Wonderwoman likely...sense she has no movie coming out. But that to bad sense Gail spent so much time building her up. Killing her would be a shame...even if it for a short while. maybe gail is WW swan song

I would actully kill batman even though he my favorit. 1...we got a SPARE 2- Good for the 3rd movie when he comes back 3) Fit with his tragic hero



Then again flash in the backround. Yea they just broughtn Wally back but they didnt say WHICH flash would die

[DonC]

Well, the rumor was DC was going to kill all of their "name" heroes, only to bring them back as the new New Gods (Newer Gods?). Then the rumor was they backed off on that plan. So, I guess we'll see.

[Angelo2113]

I say Lois Lane.

Because in Crisis on Infinite Earths Supergirl is killed. Infinite Crisis Superboy is killed. I think it will be somebody close to him, and since he's coming up on his 70th birthday it will be interesting to see what happens to him if Lois dies and how it affects him through Clark Kent and Superman.

[Eclips0]

Why do they always think that someone has to be killed off in order to make it big?

[hYPE]

Well, the rumor was DC was going to kill all of their "name" heroes, only to bring them back as the new New Gods (Newer Gods?). Then the rumor was they backed off on that plan. So, I guess we'll see.

Really, that would have been cool but like you said, they probably won't do it.

[spidervenom]

Hal jordan is defintely safe, becuase of Blackest night in 09. Wally is probaly safe since they just brought him back. The big 3 are probaly safe, batman for sure, since didio doesnt have the balls or the mind to do it. Hawkman's safe becauese the lauching a hawkman/hawkgirl title in 08. But if any of them die my bet's hawkman.

[hYPE]

Hal jordan is defintely safe, becuase of Blackest night in 09. Wally is probaly safe since they just brought him back. The big 3 are probaly safe, batman for sure, since didio doesnt have the balls or the mind to do it. Hawkman's safe becauese the lauching a hawkman/hawkgirl title in 08. But if any of them die my bet's hawkman.

I would say Wonder Woman! She out of all of them would be the most obvious choice to kill off, she's doesn't add nothing to DC at all. Her or Hawkman. I hope it's both. Let them be New God's or some shit!!! Just leave me the rest! ;)

[El Flaco Buccaneer]

I say Lois Lane.

Because in Crisis on Infinite Earths Supergirl is killed. Infinite Crisis Superboy is killed. I think it will be somebody close to him, and since he's coming up on his 70th birthday it will be interesting to see what happens to him if Lois dies and how it affects him through Clark Kent and Superman.That would be interesting to see

[4thHorseman]

I say Lois Lane.

Because in Crisis on Infinite Earths Supergirl is killed. Infinite Crisis Superboy is killed. I think it will be somebody close to him, and since he's coming up on his 70th birthday it will be interesting to see what happens to him if Lois dies and how it affects him through Clark Kent and Superman.

I don't really see Lois dying, I would say there's a better chance that Ma or Pa Kent would die or even Chris Kent. Imagine Superman losing the only son he's had or possibly will ever have. And knowing DC, I wouldn't be surprised them bringing in a new character, building up the character a bit, before killing them off in some dramatic way. And didn't Didio say that there was going to be parent issues with Wonder Woman and Superman that caused them to be sad in the first teaser? I thought it may be Ma or Pa, but now I think it could be Chris Kent and Clark losing possibly his only chance at fatherhood.

[Hawkman]

I'd care if Hawkman died. I think a lot of people would. I'd also care if he were shipped off to another Earth. Honestly, I'd probably drop all of my DC books if either of those instances were to happen.

Don't get me wrong. I like the DCU, but one of the reasons I enjoy it is because I'm such a Hawkman fan, and without him occupying the universe the majority of the stuff that takes place therein would instantly become pointless to me. I like Kendra, too, but without the dynamic that she and Carter once shared she's becoming less and less intriguing to me and far from enough to keep me around were Hawkman to be scrapped in some form or another.

If in the event he were merely transferred to another Earth somehow and given a new title through that route, I'd subscribe to that book, but I'd still drop my remaining DC books. Again, they'd just feel pointless to me. It would kind of be like watching the nightly news, only the stories they're talking about don't apply to my reality. I'd be interested, but at the end of the day they wouldn't impact me in any meaningful way. Yeah, I think that's a decent enough analogy.

Anywho, for this reason, I hope no one dies. The "big" deaths at the end of these Crises are becoming increasingly redundant, in my opinion. It would be refreshing were no one to actually die this time around. Perhaps a whole bunch of heroes will get wiped out in one big two-page spread, only to come back a few pages later. I could definitely see that.

[Angelo2113]

I don't really see Lois dying, I would say there's a better chance that Ma or Pa Kent would die or even Chris Kent. Imagine Superman losing the only son he's had or possibly will ever have. And knowing DC, I wouldn't be surprised them bringing in a new character, building up the character a bit, before killing them off in some dramatic way. And didn't Didio say that there was going to be parent issues with Wonder Woman and Superman that caused them to be sad in the first teaser? I thought it may be Ma or Pa, but now I think it could be Chris Kent and Clark losing possibly his only chance at fatherhood.

I'm not sure about the Ma and Pa Kent, because they really wouldn't make an impact since they died before, but I did hear some rumors around about that.

But it'd be interesting to see how the parent issues folds out. Just a thought...but could Superman need comfort from Lois dying and not knowing how to raise a son alone?

[IamtheRock3]

kind of liked the NEW GODS idea that was scrapt

even though I know it wouldnt be that long lasting, some good stories could come out of it in the meantime

[Ms. M]

Hasn't it already been semi-confirmed on this very site that Batman will be killed off sometime this year? I would choose him as the one on the list, as he's the only one of those who has never suffered the comic book version of death.

[Eclips0]

I hope no one does, I don't need character deaths to enjoy a crisis storyline.

[Bat-Reader]

I don't think they even consider to kill Batman.

[OverMaster]

Everyone is killed. Then they are killed off again. Then they are killed yet again. Then Dr. Light comes in and... no, no, I can't write that down.

[Pessimistic4179]

I don't really see Lois dying, I would say there's a better chance that Ma or Pa Kent would die or even Chris Kent. Imagine Superman losing the only son he's had or possibly will ever have. And knowing DC, I wouldn't be surprised them bringing in a new character, building up the character a bit, before killing them off in some dramatic way. And didn't Didio say that there was going to be parent issues with Wonder Woman and Superman that caused them to be sad in the first teaser? I thought it may be Ma or Pa, but now I think it could be Chris Kent and Clark losing possibly his only chance at fatherhood.

That's unfortunate, and it pisses me off that they can kill off Superman, Jonathan Kent on several occasions in comics, television and movies, and Chris is a possibility, but somehow, Lois Lane is untouchable.

I don't hate the character or anything like that, but I just find it pretty damn stupid that she isn't as much at risk as anyone else.

I say they're all fair game.

[matt_hatyber]

jimmy olsen.

[David Atkins]

That's unfortunate, and it pisses me off that they can kill off Superman, Jonathan Kent on several occasions in comics, television and movies, and Chris is a possibility, but somehow, Lois Lane is untouchable.

I don't hate the character or anything like that, but I just find it pretty damn stupid that she isn't as much at risk as anyone else.

I say they're all fair game.

Somebody around here once wrote an amusing little fic of a dead Lois coming back as the Spectre. It was blatant parody, but I kinda liked the idea after I thought about it for a bit.

Not that I would go there, if I were dictating DC's creative direction, but I do like the idea.

[4thHorseman]

That's unfortunate, and it pisses me off that they can kill off Superman, Jonathan Kent on several occasions in comics, television and movies, and Chris is a possibility, but somehow, Lois Lane is untouchable.

I don't hate the character or anything like that, but I just find it pretty damn stupid that she isn't as much at risk as anyone else.

I say they're all fair game.

I think that it would make for some interesting stories to lose Lois, but the only reason I don't think it will be her was due to the "parent" hint that Didio said. As much as I like Lois as a character, I felt she's been written pretty weakly for quite some time.

[Radioactive Zombie]

Somebody around here once wrote an amusing little fic of a dead Lois coming back as the Spectre. It was blatant parody, but I kinda liked the idea after I thought about it for a bit.

Not that I would go there, if I were dictating DC's creative direction, but I do like the idea.

Links, plz.

Wait, who says they can't touch Supes? It's been done before...

[David Atkins]

Links, plz.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1771885/1/Ressurection

Written by Adrian Tullberg. Took me a bit to find it. I generally see him post down Rumbles. This isn't his best work; the guy is a fantastic story teller.

[shadow knight]

The only one it could be is Hawkman, Superman has already died once, so has WW, Batman is too imprtant to DC, HAL (GL) just came back from the dead, so basically has Flash.

By process of elimination it has to be Hawkman, add the fact they have a ready made ressurection for him makes him the logical person.

[Khan Zor-El]

For sure I say Superboy/man Prime.

KC Superman maybe?
Jimmy Olson or Lois Lane would change superman, no doubt.
Supergirl or Powergirl (I'd prefer Supergirl).
Donna Troy for good this time, as well as Jason Todd (DC's Bucky)
Mary Marvel because her character is just messed up.
Maybe Wonder Woman (to counter Captain America's death),
Martain Manhunter (would anyone notice?),
Chris Kent & Damian Wayne (or could they be the future?).

If Final Crisis #1 is anything like Infinite Crisis #1, we'll all get some answers really quick.

[Kid Quick Foots]

kind of liked the NEW GODS idea that was scrapt

even though I know it wouldnt be that long lasting, some good stories could come out of it in the meantime


same here, that idea sonds totally great and i wish they would do it. shake things up a bit.
but then again if you thought ppl went ape shit over Hal being killed initially can you imagine the complaining that would come out of ppl if ALL the main heavy hitters would kick the bucket? sad really

[BeastieRunner]

Lois
Prime
Wonder Woman
A Batman
Jimmy
Mary Marvel
Jason Todd (Please?)
Super kids (Please?)

[wolverine316]

I can see Hawkman dying. He brings absolutely nothing to the table.

[matt_hatyber]

Lois
Prime
Wonder Woman
A Batman
Jimmy
Mary Marvel
Jason Todd (Please?)
Super kids (Please?)

prime aint dieing. GJ is using him so hes not alloweed to die.

[Hatut Zeraze]

I can see Hawkman dying. He brings absolutely nothing to the table.

Well, I think he brings plenty to the table, just not enough to keep his own series from being cancelled. That doesn't mean there isn't a lot of cool about him.

I do think you might be right, though, that it could be Hawkman. "Killing" him off and bringing him back in some slightly altered way would be a good excuse to relaunch a new Hawkman series. Personally I don't think they have to re-envision the character to do it, but that is clearly the mentality of the big shots at both companies, so it makes sense from their point of view.

If this rumor is true, I'd say that it is probably Hawkman.

[DubipR]

I wouldn't mind see Hal Jordan go away. I didn't like the return and his death to the Sun Eater to save the world means nothing now. Give me only one GL... and that should be John Stewart.

[Mr Omnis]

Hawkman will die, only to be brought back as the reincarnation of an Aztec bird god who mastered the art of love.

Then he'll suddenly turn into a futuristic cop who sexually harasses Thanagarian women.

[KOTI]

I think them killing off Batman would probably be the best bet. He's the DC equal of Cap'n. I think it's really dumb as in stupid as in idiotic that Marvel killed off Cap, and it's going to be stupid to kill off Batman. They have zero avenue for returning after they die, yet they will return. At least with Superman, he's an alien superbeing and his "death"s can be explained as "Man I was just napping really hard to get better" or something goofy. Batman is a regular ol' man. Cap, too (although he's got that Super Soldier stuff in him).

Anyway. I wish I knew why comic writers thought that every major event had to revolve around creating/destroying multiple universes that they are just going to destroy/create again in 10 years, or it had to feature a death that they are just going to undo anyway. Eh.

[Lord Trigon]

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1771885/1/Ressurection

Written by Adrian Tullberg. Took me a bit to find it. I generally see him post down Rumbles. This isn't his best work; the guy is a fantastic story teller.

ah him again
dam it I thought it would be a for real story.

but he is good though.

[legionnaire]

Someone dying?

Trickster and Karate Kid?

[Will.S]

I can't imagine anyone of importance dying at this point but maybe Morrison will surprise us.

[TheAmazingSpidey]

The Flash's milkman and Lois Lane's hair stylist! :p

[Rod]

I can see Hawkman dying. He brings absolutely nothing to the table.


Even though I am a huge Hawkman fan, I agree. Right now, Hawkman wouldn't be missed too much. But I think that is the exact reason why they won't do him in. They need to kill a hero that will cause an impact. They want to make news. DC wants the media coverage that killing Captain America got for Marvel.

I think the best bet story wise would be Batman. They broke his back once but they have never tried killing him cause they are too afraid. I think he would be a good one cause Dick Grayson is a great hero and can take the Batman mantle in a very good way. Tim Drake might move up to Nightwing or stay as Robin and Jason Todd be the new Nightwing.

I am tired off all the killing but I guess they feel they need to do it to get people to read.

[mohammedali]

Aquaman is gonna be sleeping with the fishes... no wait... :S

[YAM FAM 103]

Death sells, man!!! Just look at you local news paper, bible, tv news, movies. I there is no "death" I ain't buying.

[Umberto]

I think if Superman, Batman or WW will die they'll resurrect very soon.

[HaroldAllnut]

http://images.comicbookresources.com/news/ambushbug.jpg

THE WEEKLY GRIND IS TEARING ME APART! FIFTY-TWO!!

I regret to say it, but I think our favorite fourth-wall breaker is gonna buy the farm and kick the bucket... or maybe, knowing him, he'll buy a bucket and kick a farm.

[Lorendiac]

Even though I am a huge Hawkman fan, I agree. Right now, Hawkman wouldn't be missed too much. But I think that is the exact reason why they won't do him in. They need to kill a hero that will cause an impact. They want to make news. DC wants the media coverage that killing Captain America got for Marvel.

I think the best bet story wise would be Batman. They broke his back once but they have never tried killing him cause they are too afraid. I think he would be a good one cause Dick Grayson is a great hero and can take the Batman mantle in a very good way. Tim Drake might move up to Nightwing or stay as Robin and Jason Todd be the new Nightwing.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: They have killed Batman off more than once; it's just that they never let it stick for as long as they did with Superman in 1992-1993. Thus, it's never made the same sort of big splash in the media that "the death of Superman" made in late '92. But it's not accurate to say that Batman, in the modern continuity, has "never" been killed -- he has been, on various occasions! If they kill him off this year for, let's say, at least 12 months before his inevitable resurrection, it will simply mean they're stretching out the suspense longer than usual, compared to the other times he's (briefly) been dead!

[Descartes_Lives]

Tim Drake might move up to Nightwing or stay as Robin and Jason Todd be the new Nightwing.

I am tired off all the killing but I guess they feel they need to do it to get people to read.

While I agree with your second point, I don't think Jason will be killed. He just became Red Robin. Logically, I'd take that and play with it. Give him some angst over being named after a food chain.

Des.

[spidervenom]

[QUOTE=Mr Omnis;6187671]Hawkman will die, only to be brought back as the reincarnation of an Aztec bird god who mastered the art of love.

Maybe he'll die and be brought back as the new aztek. Heh, heh, seems pretty morrisonny to me, dont you think.

[dupersuper]

Martain Manhunter (would anyone notice?)


I would! :(

[dupersuper]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: They have killed Batman off more than once; it's just that they never let it stick for as long as they did with Superman in 1992-1993. Thus, it's never made the same sort of big splash in the media that "the death of Superman" made in late '92. But it's not accurate to say that Batman, in the modern continuity, has "never" been killed -- he has been, on various occasions! If they kill him off this year for, let's say, at least 12 months before his inevitable resurrection, it will simply mean they're stretching out the suspense longer than usual, compared to the other times he's (briefly) been dead!

When'd he die?

[Lorendiac]

I said that DC has killed Batman off before, more than once, always just briefly. Then dupersuper asked:

When'd he die?

So I dug around and found a copy of the list I offered in a thread on the Batman forum a few weeks ago. Here's what I said:

***** OLD POST BEGINS HERE *****

I'm not even counting the death of the Golden Age Batman in the 1970s, nor any Elseworlds story in which a Batman of another timeline died.

Here's what I came up with:

1. The JLA story arc "The Obsidian Age," written by Joe Kelly. Several members of the JLA get killed during a trip to the distant past. Including Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman.

Of course, by the time it's all over, they've been magically brought back to life in the present day.

2. The graphic novel "Batman: Birth of the Demon," written by Denny O'Neil in the early 1990s (in the days when Denny was the editor in charge of all Batman projects, and he sure didn't feel the need to label it "Elseworlds" or anything like that).

Much of this novel is flashback sequences filling us in on the origin story of Ra's al Ghul -- whom Denny had created a couple of decades earlier -- showing us the days when Ra's (not yet using that name) was just another hard-working, clean-living physician in an (unnamed, I think) city somewhere in North Africa, hundrds of years ago. But some of the scenes are set "in modern times" as Batman and Ra's clash. Toward the end of the novel, Batman takes a mortal injury. Then, as I recall, he falls into a convenient Lazarus Pit, which automatically does what Lazarus Pits do best and raises him from the dead, good as new!

3. Toward the end of the "Emperor Joker" arc, we learned that Joker had been using his godlike powers to torture Batman to death every night, then bring him back to life so that he could do it all over again tomorrow night, and so forth. I don't think we ever got an exact count (earlier today I quickly glanced through a TPB collection to refresh my memory, but I didn't read the whole thing cover-to-cover and I may have missed something), but it appeared it must have happened dozens of times.

After the Joker had been depowered, Superman and the Spectre talked about Batman's situation. He was on the verge of mental collapse because of the accumulated horror of his clear memories of all the awful things Joker had done to him, over and over and over . . . Superman finally volunteered to have those memories of everything Batman had experienced during the "Emperor Joker" events be cut-and-pasted from Batman's brain to Superman's, so that Batman wouldn't remember a thing about it and would be able to keep his sanity and stability (such as they are).

So I would say that "in modern continuity," the Batman of the regular timeline of the DCU has died and magically come back to life at least 30 or 40 times, at a bare minimum . . . but he apparently only remembers two of them ("Obsidian Age" and "Birth of the Demon.") But just because he no longer remembers the dozens of other times doesn't mean they didn't really happen!

[MattXG]

I hope they shoot batman 100x, cremate him, and send his ashes into the sun aboard a rocket with a magic spell that will never allow Bruce Wayne to be resurrected.

Real talk.

[Suicide Squad Fan]

Lois Lane is too important to the Superman mythos to be bumped off, but I could see Lana Lang, Perry White, or even Supergirl getting bumped off (again in the last case).
Or maybe they'll be daring and actually kill off Luthor once and for all.

[Jon-El]

Am I the only one who will be disappointed if someone actually dies? Just tell good stories. Killing off characters never helps.

[Lorendiac]

Am I the only one who will be disappointed if someone actually dies? Just tell good stories. Killing off characters never helps.

"Never" helps? That's too much of a sweeping statement for me to go along with it. I admit that a lot of the character deaths I've seen have been at least one (or more) of the following things:

a) Contrived: obviously just done on the spur of the moment for extra "shock value."

b) Temporary: within a few years, the character is active again, as if nothing had happened.

c) Badly written: sometimes the character who dies (and/or some of his old friends and allies) are written as behaving with uncharacteristic stupidity all through that story in order to let the writer maneuver the pawns around on the board so that they finally blunder into a situation that makes it look as if the character "has to die -- there's no escape from it now!"

But not all character deaths fall into any of those categories.

For instance! I think killing off Jean Grey at the end of the Dark Phoenix Saga was crucial to making it such a memorable storyline (even though Claremont and Byrne hadn't planned it that way at first).

The only problem is that as the years rolled past, various people at Marvel apparently just couldn't bear the thought of leaving her that way, disgraced and deceased and buried in a cemetery. So we've had retcon after retcon, resurrection after resurrection, death scene after death scene, all piled on top of each other to make the poor girl's continuity virtually impossible for any "newcomer" to understand . . . but that doesn't mean there was anything fundamentally wrong with the Dark Phoenix Saga itself!

A few years after the Saga, I was a schoolboy buying "The New Teen Titans" as Marv Wolfman and George Perez introduced us to Terra (Tara Markov), who herself eventually died (about a year and a half later) in "The Judas Contract." Again, I think that death was vital to the plot and helped it a great deal . . . and Marv Wolfman has said that he never intended to bring her back, either. Although I have to admit that in the early 90s he obviously enjoyed playing mindgames with his veteran fans when he introduced Terra II of the "Team Titans," who looked exactly like the one he'd killed off years earlier and had the same powers, too!

Of course, one important different about the original Terra is that she fell into the category I call "Cannon Fodder." Wolfman and Perez had known all along that they were going to create her, have her join the Titans, eventually reveal she was a psychotic traitor all the time, and then kill her off. It wasn't like they were spitting on the memory of hundreds of stories by other writers and artists which had previously featured Terra as a heroine . . .

[EZMOHR]

I'm alright if a character dies and makes it a good story (I seem to recall that Barry Allen death was a big deal that helped the story.)

But, I agree with lots, why kill the character if you are gonna redo it soon afterwards. On a side note though, I'm not against dead comic characters coming back per se....I mean these are characters that can move worlds and the such....why should death be the final straw. I know, conflicted likes.

That being said....I'm goning to be a little dissapointed if a story called "Final Crisis" doesn't have some sort of important death.

[TradePaperbackTraitor]

Odds of death: :D

Superman - 1,000:1 - He gets a free pass for at least another decade since his previous death event might have been the biggest one in comics history. It's still too soon to pull it off again.

Flash - 1,000:1 - He just came back. DC knows it can't keep going through Crisis events killing (or disappearing) a Flash each time.

Green Arrow - 1,000:1 - Too recent of a death. Hard to explain deaths of regular joes anyways.

Supergirl - 500:1 - I think she will always get a free pass from deaths in Crisis events because of the famous cover in Crisis in Infinite Earths.

Titan/Teen Titans members - 200:1 - Too easy of a target to explain it away as a mind-blowing event. They need to kill someone associated with the JLA to live up to the hype. Besides, the new Titans series is just getting started.

A Green Lantern - 50:1 - Too popular right now to kill off any of them, but there are a lot of them to go around. It won't be Hal Jordan if it happens. Jon Stewart, Kyle Rayner or Guy Gardner are in jeopardy, though.

Batman - 20:1 - There's a lot of rumors and it makes a lot of sense for them to try something after the Captain America death succes, although they're going to have a hard time explaining how he comes back.

Famous Superman sidekick - 15:1 - Could happen. Jimmy Olsen, Perry White, Lois Lane and company are big enough characters in the DC universe to pass it off as a "major event" and they're mostly expendable with Superman seemingly going away from his classic roots.

Major DC Villain - 10:1 - Why not? It seems like the most original direction to go. Maybe a hero finally loses it and kills his/her longtime arch-nemesis.

Wonder Woman - 10:1 - Seems like the easiest Trinity target, and also just as easy to explain a rebirth.

JLA member - 10:1 - Too many members of the JLA right now. Would be another easy target. Won't be Hal Jordan or Superman, beyond that I can't guarantee anything.

Martian Manhunter - 8:1 - See Hawkman/Hawkgirl's explanation below. Hasn't really caught on to any of the new teams. Just waiting for a death call.

JSA member - 8:1 - With the popularity of the JSA probably on the decline, it would be another easy kill.

Hawkman/Hawkgirl - 5:1 - Easy kill. A big character that they can claim "the death of" made a splash while still not dramatically affecting the DC universe.