Black Bolt's Infinity Gem?

[Zero Hunter]

Since BB turned out to be a Skrull does that mean they have the Gem he was guarding, and which one was it? It would seem kind of lame to have Bendis do a kinda pointless story about the Gems and then not touch on them again down the road.

[XPac]

Since BB turned out to be a Skrull does that mean they have the Gem he was guarding, and which one was it? It would seem kind of lame to have Bendis do a kinda pointless story about the Gems and then not touch on them again down the road.

Bendis said in his podcast that this particular dangling thread would be addressed. Should be interesting.

I think Black Bolt had the space gem.

[Camron Amaya]

Ok so it's 100% confirmed BB was a Skrull? How long has he been one?

I've probly read it but my memory right now is failing me.

[Tobias Drake]

We don't know how long he's been one, but it is 100% confirmed.

And yes, Black Bolt had the Space Gem.

[TotalWorldDomination]

Since BB turned out to be a Skrull does that mean they have the Gem he was guarding, and which one was it? It would seem kind of lame to have Bendis do a kinda pointless story about the Gems and then not touch on them again down the road.

If the Skrulls took him before the Infinity Gem chapter... then everyone is screwed. If they took him after, odds are they are still torturing him to try and get the location.

[Camron Amaya]

We don't know how long he's been one, but it is 100% confirmed.

.

Where?

I have this feeling I read the comic where it was confirmed but I just can't remember. :o

[XPac]

If the Skrulls took him before the Infinity Gem chapter... then everyone is screwed. If they took him after, odds are they are still torturing him to try and get the location.

I wouldn't exactly say everyone was necessarily screwed because of the space gem. Unless you REALLY know how to use the thing, it's probably not the most dangerous of the bunch.

But it's dangerous, no mistake about that.

[Tobias Drake]

Where?

I have this feeling I read the comic where it was confirmed but I just can't remember. :o

Illuminati #5, the conclusion to the miniseries.

If the Skrulls took him before the Infinity Gem chapter... then everyone is screwed. If they took him after, odds are they are still torturing him to try and get the location.

Assuming they know he has it. It's not like he's going to start bragging around Attilan, "Hey everybody, did you hear about my awesome Infinity Gem? ...guys? Where'd you go? ...and why's all this rubble here?"

[Rock It Raccoon]

I wouldn't exactly say everyone was necessarily screwed because of the space gem. Unless you REALLY know how to use the thing, it's probably not the most dangerous of the bunch.

But it's dangerous, no mistake about that.

i dunno, IMO i think the space gem would be super dangerous in the hands of the skrulls. it would account for how they were able to kidnap and replace people so effectively that no one noticed.

what i always assumed was that the illuminati titles were gonna be more of a springboard for a couple different miniseries (although maybe it's all gonna be covered in secret invasion) rather than a single cohesive story. i mean, every issue in there left tons of unresolved plot threads... the gems, marvel boy, the beyonder, plus the more obvious skrull stuff. i'm confident bendis has a plan for it.

[nj06]

I have a question, I read World War Hulk and just finished Silent War; during those times, was Black Bolt a Skrull?

[Tobias Drake]

I have a question, I read World War Hulk and just finished Silent War; during those times, was Black Bolt a Skrull?

We don't know yet. Bendis is going to give the word on when and how Black Bolt was replaced once the Secret Invasion kicks in more. But it stands to reason, at least during World War Hulk, that he probably was, considering his less than impressive showing there.

[Drdmx]

Great question that apparently no one has given thought to but Zero.

Lets start working on some logical deduction shall we gents?

It would make sense that the Skrulls are in posession of the Space Gem and would be using it to move to and fro, or replace beings in the MU. That just makes sense to me, I honestly cant come up with any other way they could infiltrate earth.

That being said, can we start putting together a list of suspected Skrulls and hash out reasoning behind why we suspect them? It'll be fun to find out whats right and whats wrong based on any consensus we might put together here on the boards.

Here's a list of issues.

Who's a skrull?
Infinity Gems?
Whats the plan?


All of that said, I'm wondering about the power levels of the Skrulls. When did they get so powerful? The Black Bolt Skrull apparently almost finished off the Illuminatti by himself? Oh, and I thouight that they had an aversion to flame. If he's a skrull, wasnt he burned alive by Strange?

[Camron Amaya]

We don't know yet. Bendis is going to give the word on when and how Black Bolt was replaced once the Secret Invasion kicks in more. But it stands to reason, at least during World War Hulk, that he probably was, considering his less than impressive showing there.

Yea I definetly think he was a Skrull there, cuz I just don't see the Hulk beating Black Bolt. Don't care how angry he is.

[Drdmx]

Yea I definetly think he was a Skrull there, cuz I just don't see the Hulk beating Black Bolt. Don't care how angry he is.

I dont know Cam, regardless of him being a Skrull or not, the Skrull was obviously incredibly powerful, with energy comparable at least to Black Bolts.

Tony made reference to how much energy BB had used against the Hulk, claiming he blew off a chunk of the moon the size of Rhode Island. Havent seen the normal BB pull that off yet.

On the topic of Hulks rage, he did stand up to the Sentry and take it... which I dont know how many of the muscle men on earth could do.

[TotalWorldDomination]

I wouldn't exactly say everyone was necessarily screwed because of the space gem. Unless you REALLY know how to use the thing, it's probably not the most dangerous of the bunch.

But it's dangerous, no mistake about that.

That's not why everyone is screwed. Everyone is screwed because one gem calls to another gem. Find one, ESPECIALLY space, and you can find the rest.

THEN we're screwed.

[Zero Hunter]

When you think about it the one Xavier had might be gone too. It would not been hard at all to replace someone at the school with as much chaos that has been going on around there in the last year or so. A few careful scans of Xavier when he didn't have his powers back and the location of his gem could easily have been discovered. Same with Namors considering the destrutcion of Atlantis and all the chaos around that event. Hard to say how safe Doctor Stranges gem is with him being in hiding and such. I would think the only 2 that would be really safe right now are the Reality and Power Gems, and even then I would think that it would not be hard to get a Skrull close to Stark.

I looked it up and this is who has what gem:

Space - ? (maybe Skrulls maybe not)
Mind - Xavier
Soul - Dr. Strange
Reality - Iron Man
Time - Namor
Power Reed Richards

The thing about the gems being able to locate each other got me is something I didn't know about but it got me thinking to. We have seen how Adam Strange seems to always find the Soul Gem when it has been taken from him so I would think former user of the gems might have the same conection to them. In that case there is one former member of the Infinty Watch that has not been seen in quite a while while the other have all appeared in the Annhilation events, and he happens to be the former owner of the Space Gem. Pip the troll. Maybe the Skrulls used Pip to find the Space Gem Black Bolt had and one they had it started using it to find the others.

[Tobias Drake]

But that is, of course, assuming that anyone outside the Illuminati even knows they have the Infinity Gems in the first place. Unless Black Bolt has been a Skrull since the Illuminati's first mission, after the Kree-Skrull War, I don't see how they would.

Since the Illuminati aren't holding onto the Gems and instead hid them and swore to never tell a soul, I just don't see how the Black Bolt skrull would even know Black Bolt had one, let alone have it in his possession.

[Camron Amaya]

But that is, of course, assuming that anyone outside the Illuminati even knows they have the Infinity Gems in the first place. Unless Black Bolt has been a Skrull since the Illuminati's first mission, after the Kree-Skrull War, I don't see how they would.

Since the Illuminati aren't holding onto the Gems and instead hid them and swore to never tell a soul, I just don't see how the Black Bolt skrull would even know Black Bolt had one, let alone have it in his possession.

Maybe they read their minds too, to find out everything.

[Sijo]

Using the gems isn't that easy. Remember, the Elders of the Universe (who are billions of years old, and some have near-cosmic powers) used them for a while without ever using their full power, much less realizing they could be omnipotent if they put them together. Heck, The Gardener threw his away because he felt he had "sullied" the Gem for having used it in combat! :confused:

Somehow I don't see the Skrulls (or even the Illuminati) being able to tap anything more than superhero levels of power out of the gems without putting them together. Otherwise Tony would have used the Reality Gem against Hulk. (Storywise, the gems are too much of a Deus Ex Machina for regular use.)

[vtlogypj]

I have a question, I read World War Hulk and just finished Silent War; during those times, was Black Bolt a Skrull?

Bendis has said that Na: Illuminati #5 is the closest comic along to be released. It occurs after both WWH and Silent War

[rZi]

I too was curious about the continuity issues of Black Bolt being a skrull but possesing one of them gems....can anyone answer me, was the black bolt hulk beat in WWH #1 the real deal or just a skrull? Surely this would clear things up on the time line?

[mattbib]

can anyone answer me, was the black bolt hulk beat in WWH #1 the real deal or just a skrull?As has already been stated, this has yet to be confirmed one way or the other.

[Josef F.]

So Namor has the Time Gem.
And Atlantis is destroyed.
Is the gem under the rubble.

Or.
Is it with him.
In.
LATVERIA.
(If he doesn't live there, and i misinterperet things, then i suck)


Repercussions ahoy.

[Apex Tech]

So Namor has the Time Gem.
And Atlantis is destroyed.
Is the gem under the rubble.

Or.
Is it with him.
In.
LATVERIA.
(If he doesn't live there, and i misinterperet things, then i suck)


Repercussions ahoy.

What sucks is that there are probably tons of Skrulls in the Latverian government.

I can't help but feel that Namor knows something...

[Zero Hunter]

Using the gems isn't that easy. Remember, the Elders of the Universe (who are billions of years old, and some have near-cosmic powers) used them for a while without ever using their full power, much less realizing they could be omnipotent if they put them together. Heck, The Gardener threw his away because he felt he had "sullied" the Gem for having used it in combat! :confused:

Somehow I don't see the Skrulls (or even the Illuminati) being able to tap anything more than superhero levels of power out of the gems without putting them together. Otherwise Tony would have used the Reality Gem against Hulk. (Storywise, the gems are too much of a Deus Ex Machina for regular use.)

I think the thing with the Gems is that the knowledge of their true potential was lost complelty before Thanos untied them. Once he did that I would think ever race wouls have been combing their old legends and such or serching out the true knowledge of the Gems.
And Stark having the Reality Gem really does nothing for him at all. That is the one Gem that can not really be used without one of the others. Even Thanos didn't try to use it by itself when he had it because it could not be controled. Even lunk heads like the Champion and Pip were able to tap into the Gems without a lot of effort so I would think if someone had an idea how truly powerful they were they would be alot better at using them than those two.

[XPac]

I think the thing with the Gems is that the knowledge of their true potential was lost complelty before Thanos untied them. Once he did that I would think ever race wouls have been combing their old legends and such or serching out the true knowledge of the Gems.
And Stark having the Reality Gem really does nothing for him at all. That is the one Gem that can not really be used without one of the others. Even Thanos didn't try to use it by itself when he had it because it could not be controled. Even lunk heads like the Champion and Pip were able to tap into the Gems without a lot of effort so I would think if someone had an idea how truly powerful they were they would be alot better at using them than those two.

Thanos actually did try using the reality gem once... he brought Captain Mar-Vell back to life, though subconsciously he did it just so Mar-Vell could talk him out of something. So Thanos could use the thing... but obviously Tony isn't Thanos. Like most people, he probably wouldn't have a clue how to really use the thing, and I'm not sure he'd actually use it even if he did after the whole House of M fiasco.

[Josef F.]

this is my theory

Space - Probably with the skrulls
Mind - With his mansion being destoryed over and over again, and the recent trip into space. It's easily obtainable by the skrulls. And he's a possibility to die in MC. SO then who knows where it'd end up.
Soul - Dr. Strange. He's behaving very erratically. And The popular opinion is that he's Skrulltastic. So another one in Base Skrull.
Reality - Iron Man. Iron Man just isn't a very good guy of late. Who knows what he might try and do with that thing.
Time - Namor. Is living with Dr Doom. DOOM.
Power - Reed Richards. This is the only one i can see as being safe.

Daaaaaaaanger!

[XPac]

this is my theory

Space - Probably with the skrulls
Mind - With his mansion being destoryed over and over again, and the recent trip into space. It's easily obtainable by the skrulls. And he's a possibility to die in MC. SO then who knows where it'd end up.
Soul - Dr. Strange. He's behaving very erratically. And The popular opinion is that he's Skrulltastic. So another one in Base Skrull.
Reality - Iron Man. Iron Man just isn't a very good guy of late. Who knows what he might try and do with that thing.
Time - Namor. Is living with Dr Doom. DOOM.
Power - Reed Richards. This is the only one i can see as being safe.

Daaaaaaaanger!

Good points.

Has Xaviers place been destroyed recently? Heck, since Xavier noranlly isn't at his mansion these days, I wonder if it's even being kept there.

With Tony's place being destroyed at least once (in WWH), I wonder how safe his gem is.

Given how things are going with all these guys, I'm not sure any of them are in a position to keep their gems safe except Dr. Strange (unless Strange is already a Skrull... I'm iffy about that one though).

[OoNebsoO]

I think it was very silly to write it that they got the gems in the first place. Didn't like that at all.

As for Black Bolt being Skrull in WWH, I really doubt it.

WWH #1 (mere whisper):

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/989/08ay0.th.jpg (http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=08ay0.jpg)http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3014/09xr6.th.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=09xr6.jpg)

And NA: I #5 (shout):

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2860/illuminati014oc3.th.jpg (http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=illuminati014oc3.jpg)

In no way comparable, WWH's Black Bolt is way more powerful.

Also think the 'switch' occured after NA: I #2:

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6900/newavengersilluminati00le2.th.jpg (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newavengersilluminati00le2.jpg)

[Rock It Raccoon]

this is my theory

Space - Probably with the skrulls
Mind - With his mansion being destoryed over and over again, and the recent trip into space. It's easily obtainable by the skrulls. And he's a possibility to die in MC. SO then who knows where it'd end up.
Soul - Dr. Strange. He's behaving very erratically. And The popular opinion is that he's Skrulltastic. So another one in Base Skrull.
Reality - Iron Man. Iron Man just isn't a very good guy of late. Who knows what he might try and do with that thing.
Time - Namor. Is living with Dr Doom. DOOM.
Power - Reed Richards. This is the only one i can see as being safe.

Daaaaaaaanger!

as if doctor doom needs MORE excuses to go running around traveling through time.

[matthewaos]

I'm not sure that if someone told to to safe keep something like that I would kept it in my house. I mean Tony? He can hide it in a secret base wherever in the world. Namor has the oceans. You get my point?

[TotalWorldDomination]

I'm not sure that if someone told to to safe keep something like that I would kept it in my house. I mean Tony? He can hide it in a secret base wherever in the world. Namor has the oceans. You get my point?

It's a good point. I'd imagine that Black Bolt and Xavier are the two that would have the hardest time hiding there individual gems. BB has one area of the moon that he visits and Xavier was in a wheelchair. I have no idea where either of them would hide it.

I mean Strange has mystic dimensions he can trap it in, Reed has pocket universes, Tony has bases and hideouts the world over and as you pointed out namor has the whole ocean. We could say that BB has the entire moon... but Xavier's options are much more limited.

[DeadXMan]

remember the Infinity gem was set in recent times (after She Hulk fight with the gemmed powered titiana)

so odd are the skrulls have it.
If not I see some hijinks with BB and skrull inquisitor

[Shyft]

i like the idea of Skrull Bolt using the Space Gem to make the kidnapping/replacing of heroes easier. It ties it all in well.

[Shyft]

It's a good point. I'd imagine that Black Bolt and Xavier are the two that would have the hardest time hiding there individual gems. BB has one area of the moon that he visits and Xavier was in a wheelchair. I have no idea where either of them would hide it.

I mean Strange has mystic dimensions he can trap it in, Reed has pocket universes, Tony has bases and hideouts the world over and as you pointed out namor has the whole ocean. We could say that BB has the entire moon... but Xavier's options are much more limited.

depends how much of a d^*k he wanted to be to achieve his aims. Various X-Men over the years have had teleportation/alternative universe type powers, he could have used one of them to hide it, then wiped their memory.

[Drdmx]

Good stuff.

So what about this?

Lets say the Skrulls get their hands on ALL of the gems. Who uses them? I notice that now'adays in the MU there are alot more known skrulls out there rather than just a contingent of green faces. Which Skrull uses pretty damn near the ultimate power in the universe?

OR

if they get like 3-4 gems, what will the case be then?

Rife with possibilities.

[XPac]

Good stuff.

So what about this?

Lets say the Skrulls get their hands on ALL of the gems. Who uses them? I notice that now'adays in the MU there are alot more known skrulls out there rather than just a contingent of green faces. Which Skrull uses pretty damn near the ultimate power in the universe?

OR

if they get like 3-4 gems, what will the case be then?

Rife with possibilities.

I think Bendis will limit what he does with the gems though... using those to their full extent will make this a very different kind of story.

When someone busts out the Infinity Gems is when the cosmic beings like Galactus and Eternity start circling the wagons, and I don't think he wants to write that kind of story.

I imagine they'll still be a danger, and still be an objective for the Skrulls. But I don't think it'll go too far.

[TotalWorldDomination]

depends how much of a d^*k he wanted to be to achieve his aims. Various X-Men over the years have had teleportation/alternative universe type powers, he could have used one of them to hide it, then wiped their memory.

Given Xaviers trend in recent years, him wiping someones mind after they hide it for him is probably the least jerk think he could do.

He probably took the gem, stuck it beind the eye and into the brain of an X-Man corpse inside a tiny Shi'ar case and had them bury it with the body. THAT'S the Chuck Xavier we've come to know and be vaugly creeped out by. ;)

[Shyft]

I wouldn't be surprised if he also has repressed romantic feelings for the gem, but we probably shouldn't go there.

[Drdmx]

I'm creeped out by Bushy Eye-brow Xavier. Yeesh.