View Full Version : Will Sasuke keep being an asshole to Sakura?
Megaman XXX
12-24-2007, 11:12 PM
Will he or will he warm up to her?
Will he or will he warm up to her?
Maybe if he ever gets over his revenge thing.
Megaman XXX
12-24-2007, 11:29 PM
Maybe if he ever gets over his revenge thing.Then maybe some Uchiha sex from Pinky. I hope.
Nik Hasta
12-25-2007, 05:50 AM
Then maybe some Uchiha sex from Pinky. I hope.
I doubt it.
Sasuke really doesn't deserve anything from Sakura.
Gladiaria_Alata
12-25-2007, 05:55 AM
I doubt it.
Sasuke really doesn't deserve anything from Sakura.
Except a boot to the head.
master of read
12-25-2007, 06:59 AM
i'd say yeah. he's never really seen sakura as a equal and once he finds out that she can knock his head off with a punch, he's not gonna be happy.
and sex will be out of the question. sakura does like him as a friend but any romantic feelings she might have had are pretty much dead after, you know, he said that he wouldnt mind killing naruto and sakura.
Armless Penguin
12-25-2007, 07:11 AM
The correct answer to this thread is "Will she quit being obnoxiously clingy and deserving of his being an asshole to her?"
master of read
12-25-2007, 07:21 AM
The correct answer to this thread is "Will she quit being obnoxiously clingy and deserving of his being an asshole to her?"
maybe part one sakura. part 2 sakura doesnt need sasuke like that any more.
Len Ikari145
12-25-2007, 08:12 AM
Except a boot to the head.
Or a punch in the groin.
master of read
12-25-2007, 08:31 AM
Or a punch in the groin.
or 10 or 20
Len Ikari145
12-25-2007, 08:33 AM
or 10 or 20
Then it would be Naruto's turn.:evilsmile
master of read
12-25-2007, 08:42 AM
Then it would be Naruto's turn.:evilsmile
but only after he does a couple hundred shadow clones.
all in 4 tails mode.
all doing the rasenganshuriken.
Alex L
12-25-2007, 10:12 AM
Sasuke will likely be fine after being infected with Naruto's Power of Love and Friendship!™ meme.
He's saved people (Gaara, Neji) that were thought to be too far gone to be redeemed already -- Sasuke's not substantially different, and is much more redeemable than psycopathic Gaara.
master of read
12-25-2007, 10:54 AM
Sasuke will likely be fine after being infected with Naruto's Power of Love and Friendship!™ meme.
He's saved people (Gaara, Neji) that were thought to be too far gone to be redeemed already -- Sasuke's not substantially different, and is much more redeemable than psycopathic Gaara.
naruto tried that but it was no match for sasuke's power of emo and wankringan.
Dark Soul # 7
12-25-2007, 10:59 AM
Sasuke is a jerk to pretty much everybody, or at least doesn't show any care for people.
I don't think that he cares enough about Sakura to stop being a jerk to her.
master of read
12-25-2007, 11:09 AM
Sasuke is a jerk to pretty much everybody, or at least doesn't show any care for people.
I don't think that he cares enough about Sakura to stop being a jerk to her.
right. i mean, he might not be able to take the fact that sakura is so damn strong now.
Assassins Creed
12-25-2007, 11:26 AM
Me and Megaman must be the only Sasusaku supporters and Sasuke fans on this entire board.
I doubt it.
Sasuke really doesn't deserve anything from Sakura. Sasuke deserves Sakura more than Naruto does, she's the only girl that Sasuke respects and can reach to an emotional level.
By your logic Gaara doesn't deserve anything from Suna due to his killing spree in the past.
Neji doesn't deserve Lee's and Ten Ten friendship because he's a prick.
maybe part one sakura. part 2 sakura doesnt need sasuke like that any more.Part One or Two, Sakura's still Sakura. And your not Kishimoto. You don't know what Sakura needs.
This board is fiiled with Narutards, and Sasuke haters. A totally baised part of the Naruto fandom.=
master of read
12-25-2007, 11:35 AM
Me and Megaman must be the only Sasusaku supporters and Sasuke fans on this entire board.
Sasuke deserves Sakura more than Naruto does, she's the only girl that Sasuke respects and can reach to an emotional level.
By your logic Gaara doesn't deserve anything from Suna due to his killing spree in the past.
Neji doesn't deserve Lee's and Ten Ten friendship because he's a prick.
Part One or Two, Sakura's still Sakura. And your not Kishimoto. You don't know what Sakura needs.
This board is fiiled with Narutards, and Sasuke haters. A totally baised part of the Naruto fandom.=
yep. you're not gonna last too long here but i can educate you a little.
sasusaku wont work because in order for it too work, both sasuke and sakura would have to be waaaaaaaaaaaaayy out of character. sakura has grown beyond being a fangirl and is now a powerful and useful ninja.
sasuke doesnt really respect her nor does he have any kind of emotional attachment to. he said it himself that he would have no problem killing naruto and sakura just cause. only thing sasuke cares about is revenge and sakura isnt high on his list of things he cares about. if he did, then he wouldnt have left the way he did. sakura's feelings have evolved to the point where she sees him as a close friend but nothing more.
and dont drag neji and gaara into this. those two have had more development than he has.
gaara went from a hated uber killer to the kazekage, beloved by the whole sand village.
neji went from a destiny spewing prick to a well rounded and caring ninja.
sasuke went from a stoic but likeable ninja to a emotionless prick who cares only for revenge.
but what do i know? i'm just a narutard.
Assassins Creed
12-25-2007, 11:46 AM
yep. you're not gonna last too long here but i can educate you a little.
sasusaku wont work because in order for it too work, both sasuke and sakura would have to be waaaaaaaaaaaaayy out of character. sakura has grown beyond being a fangirl and is now a powerful and useful ninja. Sakura can still be a powerful and useful ninja and still love Sasuke. Otherwise her character would all be a lie from the moment we were introduced her, and kishi would be stupid.
sasuke doesnt really respect her nor does he have any kind of emotional attachment to. he said it himself that he would have no problem killing naruto and sakura just cause. only thing sasuke cares about is revenge and sakura isnt high on his list of things he cares about. if he did, then he wouldnt have left the way he did. sakura's feelings have evolved to the point where she sees him as a close friend but nothing more. Sasuke is comsumed by Revenge, and his life is based on him avenging his clan, but besides the point Sasuke holds Sakura close to him along with Naruto and may seem heartless but he going through trials with his own personal emotions and demons and breaks his bond because he believes he can succeed by cutting bonds and staying on a path towards hatred. Sakura loves Sasuke, she loves him as a friend and as a lover otherwise she wouldn't have confessed to Sasuke and Naruto that she loves Sasuke more than anything and wouldn't evolved into this powerful ninja if Sasuke didn't leave and love him/
and dont drag neji and gaara into this. those two have had more development than he has.
gaara went from a hated uber killer to the kazekage, beloved by the whole sand village.
neji went from a destiny spewing prick to a well rounded and caring ninja.And they both haven't been seen since then. So yeah Sasuke > Neji < Gaara. Plus they don't effect the plot as much as Sasuke does.
sasuke went from a stoic but likeable ninja to a emotionless prick who cares only for revenge.A wasn't aware Sasuke's character was finished developed. Wow, I gotta keep up.
but what do i know? i'm just a narutard.Glad to know you admit itAnd Sakura is not over Sasuke. Not even close.
master of read
12-25-2007, 11:51 AM
And Sakura is not over Sasuke. Not even close.
sakura just said she loved him to stop him from leaving. sasuke said he didnt need it.
and how is she not over him? she hasnt shown anything other than normal friendly emotions towards him. she gets down when she is reminded how it use to be with her and her team. she defends him to anyone who bad mouths him, just like naruto. and when has she gotten emotional and stary eyed when she say sasuke again? sasuke tried to kill naruto and she nearly took his head off. she wasnt thinking "oh sasuke! i love you! let's have smex!" she was thinking "he's gonna kill naruto. i gotta stop him!"
Assassins Creed
12-25-2007, 11:58 AM
sakura just said she loved him to stop him from leaving. sasuke said he didnt need it.
and how is she not over him? she hasnt shown anything other than normal friendly emotions towards him. she gets down when she is reminded how it use to be with her and her team. she defends him to anyone who bad mouths him, just like naruto. and when has she gotten emotional and stary eyed when she say sasuke again? sasuke tried to kill naruto and she nearly took his head off. she wasnt thinking "oh sasuke! i love you! let's have smex!" she was thinking "he's gonna kill naruto. i gotta stop him!"Sakura said she loved him because she always loved, cared and liked Sasuke since she was little. And she new Sasuke was lonely. So she tried her best for Sasuke to acknowledge her and help Sasuke get to know the real her. But Sasuke was so consumed by hate he refused.
She get depressed and cries for him still, she defends Sasuke and she always supports him no matter what like she said with Tsunade when she said his revenge was the most important to him.
I don't believe Sasuke loves Sakura romantically. At least not yet. He has given it no focus and he's not the type to open up. I just believe that when Sasuke's goal of killing Itachi is over (whether he kills him or not) he will be a broken man and someone needs to pick up the pieces. Naruto can support him and make him feel wanted and important but he needs emotional support desperatly and that's where Sakura comes in. She's helped him emotionally so far and he'll need that and amplified (considering circumstances) in order to cope. The point is, she'll be very close to him emotionally and this gives him a reason to fall for her since she seems to be one of the only one he confides in. It's just it's a perfect set-up and they have an established ground to make the occurence plausible. She doesn't have a concrete understanding of Sasuke but I believe out of everyone introduced, she knows him the best.
Still harbouring feelings for someone =/= clingy. It's being determined and passionate. And I completely agree with not being able to control feelings; no-one can. I'm not saying that she'd just decide to drop her feelings. If she had feelings for Naruto, they would just come, she can't fabricate them. However, my point was that if she subconciously let go of her love for Sasuke because he just wasn't there shows that her feelings weren't strong enough. But they aqre, she LOVES him her emotions are in no way weak. It's not falling for Naruto that would make him weak, it's letting go of her strong feelings for Sasuke just because Naruto is there and he's not. If she was supposed to just abandon her feelings over the 2-3 years, why have her LOVE him rather than just a strong crush. A crush is something that is intended to fade but love is something you don't just let go (even subconciously). You're right that she can't control her emotions and thoughts which is why she can't control her feelings for Sasuke even though it's painful for her. And just because she can't control them is no excuse for them existing.
Yes, he did knock her out. But it was the best thing he could have done given the situation. He was determined on leaving and the fact that he stayed to listen means he though what she had to say was important. He wasn't going to hear that she loved him and decide that he should then stay since he believes his first goal requires assitance from Orochimaru and Konoha can longer accommodate his training needs. He had to leave and since Sakura was going to scream (meaning that he would get caught and be stopped from going) and he needed to stop her. So he had to leave her unconcious and the way he did it was pretty much painless. Also, he put her on a bench. He didn't have to. He didn't have to listen to what she said. He could have hit her and run off. But he didn't. This shows that he at least cares about her and valued everything she's done for him (which is what the 'thank you' was for).
But Sakura does understand Sasuke to an extent. She even went to the trouble of researching the Uchiha massacre in order to understand him more. She does not have a perfect comprehension of his character but out of all the females he's come across, she has the most and therefore would be the best match for him as of yet.
I recall someone mentioning how Sasuke tried to kill them at the reunion. Well, I come across this arguement a lot and I for one believe he did not intend to kill them. I think he wanted to attack them to create the illusion that he has severed his bonds with them for two reasons.
1 - He didn't want them coming after him since they would just get in the way and
2 - Orochimaru was watching and he needed to put on a show.
He would have only wished to attack them to the extent of making them unable to follow him after he left. The reason I think the fight was fake from his side is because he honestly could have killed them easily. They were vunerable enough at that time and he could have simply stabbed Naruto's heart instead and chidori them into the ground. But no, he just injured them and decided they weren't woth killing. Convincing, but I think his motives were different.
Also, Suigetsu's remark, "You're such a leave ninja." He doesn't kill people without cause and would have no reason to kill his old friends. Sasuke still is a leaf ninja and still maintains those bonds, whether he likes it or not.
My point being that Sakura must have understood Sasuke very well by that point to be able to anticipate his departure.
master of read
12-25-2007, 12:09 PM
Sakura said she loved him because she always loved, cared and liked Sasuke since she was little. And she new Sasuke was lonely. So she tried her best for Sasuke to acknowledge her and help Sasuke get to know the real her. But Sasuke was so consumed by hate he refused.
She get depressed and cries for him still, she defends Sasuke and she always supports him no matter what like she said with Tsunade when she said his revenge was the most important to him.
I don't believe Sasuke loves Sakura romantically. At least not yet. He has given it no focus and he's not the type to open up. I just believe that when Sasuke's goal of killing Itachi is over (whether he kills him or not) he will be a broken man and someone needs to pick up the pieces. Naruto can support him and make him feel wanted and important but he needs emotional support desperatly and that's where Sakura comes in. She's helped him emotionally so far and he'll need that and amplified (considering circumstances) in order to cope. The point is, she'll be very close to him emotionally and this gives him a reason to fall for her since she seems to be one of the only one he confides in. It's just it's a perfect set-up and they have an established ground to make the occurence plausible. She doesn't have a concrete understanding of Sasuke but I believe out of everyone introduced, she knows him the best.
Still harbouring feelings for someone =/= clingy. It's being determined and passionate. And I completely agree with not being able to control feelings; no-one can. I'm not saying that she'd just decide to drop her feelings. If she had feelings for Naruto, they would just come, she can't fabricate them. However, my point was that if she subconciously let go of her love for Sasuke because he just wasn't there shows that her feelings weren't strong enough. But they aqre, she LOVES him her emotions are in no way weak. It's not falling for Naruto that would make him weak, it's letting go of her strong feelings for Sasuke just because Naruto is there and he's not. If she was supposed to just abandon her feelings over the 2-3 years, why have her LOVE him rather than just a strong crush. A crush is something that is intended to fade but love is something you don't just let go (even subconciously). You're right that she can't control her emotions and thoughts which is why she can't control her feelings for Sasuke even though it's painful for her. And just because she can't control them is no excuse for them existing.
Yes, he did knock her out. But it was the best thing he could have done given the situation. He was determined on leaving and the fact that he stayed to listen means he though what she had to say was important. He wasn't going to hear that she loved him and decide that he should then stay since he believes his first goal requires assitance from Orochimaru and Konoha can longer accommodate his training needs. He had to leave and since Sakura was going to scream (meaning that he would get caught and be stopped from going) and he needed to stop her. So he had to leave her unconcious and the way he did it was pretty much painless. Also, he put her on a bench. He didn't have to. He didn't have to listen to what she said. He could have hit her and run off. But he didn't. This shows that he at least cares about her and valued everything she's done for him (which is what the 'thank you' was for).
But Sakura does understand Sasuke to an extent. She even went to the trouble of researching the Uchiha massacre in order to understand him more. She does not have a perfect comprehension of his character but out of all the females he's come across, she has the most and therefore would be the best match for him as of yet.
I recall someone mentioning how Sasuke tried to kill them at the reunion. Well, I come across this arguement a lot and I for one believe he did not intend to kill them. I think he wanted to attack them to create the illusion that he has severed his bonds with them for two reasons.
1 - He didn't want them coming after him since they would just get in the way and
2 - Orochimaru was watching and he needed to put on a show.
He would have only wished to attack them to the extent of making them unable to follow him after he left. The reason I think the fight was fake from his side is because he honestly could have killed them easily. They were vunerable enough at that time and he could have simply stabbed Naruto's heart instead and chidori them into the ground. But no, he just injured them and decided they weren't woth killing. Convincing, but I think his motives were different.
Also, Suigetsu's remark, "You're such a leave ninja." He doesn't kill people without cause and would have no reason to kill his old friends. Sasuke still is a leaf ninja and still maintains those bonds, whether he likes it or not.
My point being that Sakura must have understood Sasuke very well by that point to be able to anticipate his departure.
that's nice but has sakura said that she loves him recently? right now, her only concern, personwise, is naruto. she's cried for him just as much for sasuke but the only difference? naruto apprecates that fact and that fact that she knows now that he has the kyuubi in him and yet still cares for him. sakura nows sees the burden that naruto has been under for his whole life. and yet, naruto thinks that she shouldnt worry about him so much.
see, in order for sasusaku to work, it has to go both ways. even if sasuke kills his brother, he will only see sakura as a means to restore his clan and wont see her as a equal. naruto sees sakura as a equal and values the fact that she is smarter than him. proof you say?
all the way back in the wave country arc, when naruto couldnt climb the tree, he asked sakura for some advice cause she was able climb it on her first try. sasuke didnt even think of asking her. and only later, he struggled to ask naruto what she told him instead of asking her himself.
and narusaku is likable cause it's growing. there is a base between them and it could grow into a romantic relationship. sasusaku doesnt have that.
Len Ikari145
12-25-2007, 12:31 PM
Me and Megaman must be the only Sasusaku supporters and Sasuke fans on this entire board.
Sasuke deserves Sakura more than Naruto does, she's the only girl that Sasuke respects and can reach to an emotional level.
By your logic Gaara doesn't deserve anything from Suna due to his killing spree in the past.
Neji doesn't deserve Lee's and Ten Ten friendship because he's a prick.
Part One or Two, Sakura's still Sakura. And your not Kishimoto. You don't know what Sakura needs.
This board is fiiled with Narutards, and Sasuke haters. A totally baised part of the Naruto fandom.=
Wow, such a pretentious case of hypocrisy. And you're trying to say that your perspective is any more impartial? Feh. Yeah, that's why you're glorifying SasuSaku to the extent where Naruto is beneath Sakura's notice and wouldn't even consider him as viable option, when the actual volumes speak otherwise.
And Sakura didn't "love" Sasuke as much as she idolized him. She "loved" him as much a fangirl loves their favorite music artists. She started to genuinely care for who he is before he left, and what she said was out of desperation into order to coerce him to stay with them.
master of read
12-25-2007, 12:37 PM
Wow, such a pretentious case of hypocrisy. And you're trying to say that your perspective is any more impartial? Feh. Yeah, that's why you're glorifying SasuSaku to the extent where Naruto is beneath Sakura's notice and wouldn't even consider him as viable option, when the actual volumes speak otherwise.
And Sakura didn't "love" Sasuke as much as she idolized him. She "loved" him as much a fangirl loves their favorite music artists. She started to genuinely care for who he is before he left, and what she said was out of desperation into order to coerce him to stay with them.
like my grandmother said
"to know someone is to love someone. to love someone is to know someone."
back then, sakura really didnt know sasuke. she grew her hair long because she thought he liked girls with long hair. she wanted to bring him sweets even though he said himself he didnt like sweets. she, like a lot of sasusaku fans, have this romantized idea of sasuke that just doesnt mesh with the real thing.
Kage Kisaragi
12-25-2007, 01:22 PM
I doubt it.
Sasuke really doesn't deserve anything from Sakura.
you make it sound as if she has a whole lot to offer.
A-Cup of tea anyone?
Kage Kisaragi
12-25-2007, 01:24 PM
like my grandmother said
"to know someone is to love someone. to love someone is to know someone."
back then, sakura really didnt know sasuke. she grew her hair long because she thought he liked girls with long hair. she wanted to bring him sweets even though he said himself he didnt like sweets. she, like a lot of sasusaku fans, have this romantized idea of sasuke that just doesnt mesh with the real thing.
And the Naruto, Rock Lee fans have this romanitized idea that if you keep trying you'll eventually succeed. Of course it's the easier of the two to push and accept.. All hail positive thinker, no matter how moronic the idea they have it must succeed. This isn't a personal attack, its just the other part of the conversation you forgot to mention.
Len Ikari145
12-25-2007, 01:27 PM
you make it sound as if she has a whole lot to offer.
A-Cup of tea anyone?
Hey, she's grown since then.:D
Besides, it's not always size that matters.;)
Athena Bast
12-25-2007, 01:37 PM
Sasuke won't get Sakura. He's not worthy of her. Even should he defeat Itachi, and gains some semblence of emotions beyond desiring power and revenge, he's still going to push her away. Nothing she can say or do is ever going to break Sasuke he's a person of value. Itachi didn't believe he had any value when he slaughtered the entire clan. Sasuke thinks of himself as worthless except for defeating Itachi. He defeats Itachi, once that satisfaction ebbs he's going to believe his worth is now gone. He'll be ronin, unworthy of Konoha, and be Mister Whiny Boy for the rest of his life.
Sakura deserves to be with someone who sees her as a person of worth. If Sasuke uses her to fill a hole he'll be doing both of them a disservice.
Nik Hasta
12-25-2007, 02:07 PM
Sasuke deserves Sakura more than Naruto does, she's the only girl that Sasuke respects and can reach to an emotional level.
Not really, Naruto has stuck by Sakura through everything they've been through and put his life on the line for her more than once, he's got the best claim of anyone.
Personally I don't care for Naruto being involved with anyone since he seems to have grown detached from romance post time-skip.
Hinata is the best bet methinks.
By your logic Gaara doesn't deserve anything from Suna due to his killing spree in the past.
Neji doesn't deserve Lee's and Ten Ten friendship because he's a prick.
Friendship, acceptance and romantic love are three very different things.
Gaara worked bloody hard to regain his village's trust and damn near died defending them, I don't see Sasuke working so hard for his right to Sakura that you claim he has.
Neji wasn't that much of a prick to be honest IMO, he was just scared of the future. He needed Rock Lee and Ten Ten to be there for him, he needed their support.
According to Sasuke he doesn't need anyone.
Part One or Two, Sakura's still Sakura. And your not Kishimoto. You don't know what Sakura needs.
I never claimed to be, I just don't think Sasuke remotely deserves any kind of romantic success with Sakura. Not without serious work on his part.
This board is fiiled with Narutards, and Sasuke haters. A totally baised part of the Naruto fandom.=
The board does have a lot of people who hate Sasuke, I am not one of them. I find Sasuke boring and long for his character to be turned into something interesting because honestly I can't identify with his lone-avenger schtick.
I do however have strong views on how a romantic relationship should work and Sasuke needs to make a lot of effort before he is even in Sakura's league.
Robotech Master
12-25-2007, 10:42 PM
RE: Hey, she's grown since then.
Besides, it's not always size that matters.
Hey, A girl who can punch 30foot wide craters in the ground should be able to do some pretty wild stuff in bed.
Len Ikari145
12-25-2007, 11:25 PM
RE: Hey, she's grown since then.
Besides, it's not always size that matters.
Hey, A girl who can punch 30foot wide craters in the ground should be able to do some pretty wild stuff in bed.
....You ruined my punchline, damn you!>_<
Robotech Master
12-25-2007, 11:38 PM
True punchlines always stand alone and never fall to ruin:D
Legato
12-25-2007, 11:47 PM
I would love to see Sakura beat the living hell out of Sasuke. His ego needs to be taken down in a big way.
I would love to see Sakura beat the living hell out of Sasuke. His ego needs to be taken down in a big way.
While I would like to see it to, the way things are gearing up, it's looking to be Karin vs Sakura.
Robotech Master
12-25-2007, 11:57 PM
No, see, what should happen is this:
The next time Naruto fights Sasuke, it should be Naruto and Sakura vs. Sasuke, since they said they would bring him back together next time. Sasuke ignores Sakura, because he thinks she's still her weak old self, so he focues on Naruto and they start fighting.
Then, in the middle of a huge Chidori vs. Rasengan clash, just before they both connect: BAM. Sakura's fist slams into his face and he goes flying.
I think I'd cheer and laugh myself out of my chair at the same time.
master of read
12-26-2007, 12:07 AM
No, see, what should happen is this:
The next time Naruto fights Sasuke, it should be Naruto and Sakura vs. Sasuke, since they said they would bring him back together next time. Sasuke ignores Sakura, because he thinks she's still her weak old self, so he focues on Naruto and they start fighting.
Then, in the middle of a huge Chidori vs. Rasengan clash, just before they both connect: BAM. Sakura's fist slams into his face and he goes flying.
I think I'd cheer and laugh myself out of my chair at the same time.
oh the look on sasuke's face when he realized he just got KTFO'd by sakura will be priceless. naruto will probably just pop back up, dust himself off and say something like "thanks for going easy on us, sakura."
Kage Kisaragi
12-26-2007, 08:02 AM
*lol* I find it cute how far people will go to detract from characters who are neither wrong, good, bad, or evil. Sakura beating up Sasuke. Did anyone stop to think that if Brute Force could beat Sasuke that maybe, just maybe Orochimaru himself would have dismissed the boy and his potential? I mean thats like saying Tsunade should have just gone after him and got him herself Or Maito Guy.
Totoro Man
12-26-2007, 10:43 AM
so far as I can see, Sasuke will always act like a jerk towards Sakura--
unless she can demonstrate that she's useful to him. in other words, if he can use her like a pawn in his vengeance scheme--just like he's using team Hebi.
it's not that he's a COMPLETE asshole, it's just he's so single-minded that he's no fun as a character anymore. I liked pre-timeskip Sasuke a lot more. he at least struggled to balance out his personal life and his vengeance obsession. post time-skip he (Sasuke) has certainly improved his manners and is more respectful towards people--but he's changed from being outwardly rude (yet still concerned) for those near to him (in pre time skip) towards being more polite and ruthlessly exploiting everybody around him towards his ultimate objective.
he's never going to be 'nice' to Sakura based on what I've seen thus far. although he was 'nicer' to her when he said goodbye than I thought he would be. especially since she was trying to manipulate and coerce him into giving her what she wanted! I can't blame him from walking away from such childish and petty behaviour. (and I liked Sakura pre-time skip, but I didn't like that she would stoop to such a brazenly manipulative ploy to get him to stay)
Armless Penguin
12-26-2007, 11:54 AM
The irrationally blind and single-minded hatred of Sasuke is the most unintentionally amusing part of the internet Naruto community. This thread is a perfect example.
The irrationally blind and single-minded hatred of Sasuke is the most unintentionally amusing part of the internet Naruto community. This thread is a perfect example.
Maybe, but I've changed, now I just don't care about him one way or the other.
Kage Kisaragi
12-26-2007, 12:52 PM
I don't understand,
If you are born into a life that dictates your sole purpose is to kill and you decide that there is only one person who is truly deserving of being killed by you. Then why is it everyone else feels by not doing everything else besides killing you are emo, wrong, evil and a jerk?
If anything Sasuke is only real Ninja in the entire series. His sole reason for learning Ninjitsu is because he wants to be strong enough to kill someone else. Thats all Ninjas did. Assassinate someone else, or steal something from someone else (usually info.)
Not worrying about love and pretty pink haired girls, or formomg lasting friendships with retards, not worrying about their future in their families hierarchy, not worrying about over coming their shyness, not about their friendship with their pet dogs, not about their insect collection, not about their pretty hair and skin, not about whats for dinner, not about proving themselves as worthwhile ninjas with only their taijutsu, not about being strong female ninjas.
Can you please explain how Sasuke is continuously being a jerk to Sakura? He hasn't seen the girl in nearly 3 years, and the last time they spoke he THANKED HER for her friendship and caring feelings. HOWEVER He's a Ninja, he has a mission to kill Itachi, he will do anything within his grasp to achieve success in the mission, even if it means killing himself and everyone around him. I think people are really confused as to what the different levels of honor, respect and loyality are. Namely all of those things mean absolutely nothing to a person whos main mission is to kill someone else.
I like Sasuke just as much as I like most of the other characters in the show. Yet I think peoples own feelings of "it's not right he should stay in the village so we can watch Naruto be all special up in his face, so that we can feel better about our ideology that perseverance will always win out in the in." ... listen I would be incredibly great full if Sasuke achieved his lifes long goal while dying in the process, it would be the best conclusion to a sub character in the history of Manga. A Character who wasn't the main character yet achieved the victory he wanted most all while defying the traditional hero-archetype.. in short him doing it his way. Yet it doesn't matter how I'd like to see him meet his end, because like the rest of you its all a matter of opinion and how Kishimoto wishes to finish the character.
Why does Sakura's well being mean so much us the readers? Does everyone here speak to their first ex-crush every day and will continue to do so for the rest of their lives? Not moving on or anything. I mean, its not like Sasuke didn't try and protect Sakura like what EVERYTIME they got into a fight.
Truth of the matter is, if Sasuke wasn't around or didn't care back then like people like to put it Sakura would be dead, and so would Naruto.
Totoro Man
12-26-2007, 02:39 PM
[QUOTE=Kage Kisaragi;6039140]*lol* I find it cute how far people will go to detract from characters who are neither wrong, good, bad, or evil. QUOTE]
right... that's why Naruto's a "retard". :rolleyes:
Ghost
12-26-2007, 05:07 PM
Will he or will he warm up to her?
I say they revert back to friends once Sasuke sees the error of his ways. I doubt he'll actually try to get into a relationship with her, though.
Not that it matter much, since Sakura is very likely to have fallen for Naruto at that point.
The irrationally blind and single-minded hatred of Sasuke is the most unintentionally amusing part of the internet Naruto community.
I don't find it amusing so much as puzzling. I get why people don't like it, but the way it gets blown waaaay out of proportion baffles me.
Kage Kisaragi
12-26-2007, 07:34 PM
right... that's why Naruto's a "retard". :rolleyes:
That wasn't directed toward Naruto genius, it was directed toward Sasuke.
Hiromi
12-26-2007, 09:18 PM
you make it sound as if she has a whole lot to offer.
A-Cup of tea anyone?
alright, that got a chuckle outa me.
Robotech Master
12-26-2007, 11:05 PM
RE: I don't understand,
If you are born into a life that dictates your sole purpose is to kill and you decide that there is only one person who is truly deserving of being killed by you. Then why is it everyone else feels by not doing everything else besides killing you are emo, wrong, evil and a jerk?
If anything Sasuke is only real Ninja in the entire series. His sole reason for learning Ninjitsu is because he wants to be strong enough to kill someone else. Thats all Ninjas did. Assassinate someone else, or steal something from someone else (usually info.)
Not worrying about love and pretty pink haired girls, or formomg lasting friendships with retards, not worrying about their future in their families hierarchy, not worrying about over coming their shyness, not about their friendship with their pet dogs, not about their insect collection, not about their pretty hair and skin, not about whats for dinner, not about proving themselves as worthwhile ninjas with only their taijutsu, not about being strong female ninjas.
Can you please explain how Sasuke is continuously being a jerk to Sakura? He hasn't seen the girl in nearly 3 years, and the last time they spoke he THANKED HER for her friendship and caring feelings. HOWEVER He's a Ninja, he has a mission to kill Itachi, he will do anything within his grasp to achieve success in the mission, even if it means killing himself and everyone around him. I think people are really confused as to what the different levels of honor, respect and loyality are. Namely all of those things mean absolutely nothing to a person whos main mission is to kill someone else.
I like Sasuke just as much as I like most of the other characters in the show. Yet I think peoples own feelings of "it's not right he should stay in the village so we can watch Naruto be all special up in his face, so that we can feel better about our ideology that perseverance will always win out in the in." ... listen I would be incredibly great full if Sasuke achieved his lifes long goal while dying in the process, it would be the best conclusion to a sub character in the history of Manga. A Character who wasn't the main character yet achieved the victory he wanted most all while defying the traditional hero-archetype.. in short him doing it his way. Yet it doesn't matter how I'd like to see him meet his end, because like the rest of you its all a matter of opinion and how Kishimoto wishes to finish the character.
Why does Sakura's well being mean so much us the readers? Does everyone here speak to their first ex-crush every day and will continue to do so for the rest of their lives? Not moving on or anything. I mean, its not like Sasuke didn't try and protect Sakura like what EVERYTIME they got into a fight.
Truth of the matter is, if Sasuke wasn't around or didn't care back then like people like to put it Sakura would be dead, and so would Naruto.
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None of this matters to me. I don't hate Sasuke as a character. I don't hate him for acting like a jerk or being focused on revenge. I DID like him pre-timeskip, so highlighting the important stuff he did back then is moot here.
I just don't like his characterization post-timeskip. He's a boring character now. He's lost a dimension. He became flat for me. You can easily use logic to justify why Sasuke thinks the way he does and acts the way he does. But that's not enough for me. I need character. I need conflict. I need tension. All he's done since Part II started is get in a few fights, form Hebi, and jump around on a manhunt.
Kishi could easily redeem his character by changing his development in the future; but right now, at this very moment, there's nothing interesting about him.
RE: I don't understand,
If you are born into a life that dictates your sole purpose is to kill and you decide that there is only one person who is truly deserving of being killed by you. Then why is it everyone else feels by not doing everything else besides killing you are emo, wrong, evil and a jerk?
If anything Sasuke is only real Ninja in the entire series. His sole reason for learning Ninjitsu is because he wants to be strong enough to kill someone else. Thats all Ninjas did. Assassinate someone else, or steal something from someone else (usually info.)
Not worrying about love and pretty pink haired girls, or formomg lasting friendships with retards, not worrying about their future in their families hierarchy, not worrying about over coming their shyness, not about their friendship with their pet dogs, not about their insect collection, not about their pretty hair and skin, not about whats for dinner, not about proving themselves as worthwhile ninjas with only their taijutsu, not about being strong female ninjas.
Can you please explain how Sasuke is continuously being a jerk to Sakura? He hasn't seen the girl in nearly 3 years, and the last time they spoke he THANKED HER for her friendship and caring feelings. HOWEVER He's a Ninja, he has a mission to kill Itachi, he will do anything within his grasp to achieve success in the mission, even if it means killing himself and everyone around him. I think people are really confused as to what the different levels of honor, respect and loyality are. Namely all of those things mean absolutely nothing to a person whos main mission is to kill someone else.
I like Sasuke just as much as I like most of the other characters in the show. Yet I think peoples own feelings of "it's not right he should stay in the village so we can watch Naruto be all special up in his face, so that we can feel better about our ideology that perseverance will always win out in the in." ... listen I would be incredibly great full if Sasuke achieved his lifes long goal while dying in the process, it would be the best conclusion to a sub character in the history of Manga. A Character who wasn't the main character yet achieved the victory he wanted most all while defying the traditional hero-archetype.. in short him doing it his way. Yet it doesn't matter how I'd like to see him meet his end, because like the rest of you its all a matter of opinion and how Kishimoto wishes to finish the character.
Why does Sakura's well being mean so much us the readers? Does everyone here speak to their first ex-crush every day and will continue to do so for the rest of their lives? Not moving on or anything. I mean, its not like Sasuke didn't try and protect Sakura like what EVERYTIME they got into a fight.
Truth of the matter is, if Sasuke wasn't around or didn't care back then like people like to put it Sakura would be dead, and so would Naruto.
/Quote
None of this matters to me. I don't hate Sasuke as a character. I don't hate him for acting like a jerk or being focused on revenge. I DID like him pre-timeskip, so highlighting the important stuff he did back then is moot here.
I just don't like his characterization post-timeskip. He's a boring character now. He's lost a dimension. He became flat for me. You can easily use logic to justify why Sasuke thinks the way he does and acts the way he does. But that's not enough for me. I need character. I need conflict. I need tension. All he's done since Part II started is get in a few fights, form Hebi, and jump around on a manhunt.
Kishi could easily redeem his character by changing his development in the future; but right now, at this very moment, there's nothing interesting about him.
Well we're getting a whole year of him, let's just see where it all goes.
Darth Joker
12-26-2007, 11:10 PM
I don't understand,
If you are born into a life that dictates your sole purpose is to kill and you decide that there is only one person who is truly deserving of being killed by you. Then why is it everyone else feels by not doing everything else besides killing you are emo, wrong, evil and a jerk?
If anything Sasuke is only real Ninja in the entire series. His sole reason for learning Ninjitsu is because he wants to be strong enough to kill someone else. Thats all Ninjas did. Assassinate someone else, or steal something from someone else (usually info.)
I think that sometimes we, as anime fans, lose sight of the cultural milieu and general atmosphere about, many of our favourite characters.
Perhaps anime itself is to blame to some degree (Luffy and gang in One Piece don't seem to do an awful lot of actual pirating from what I've seen of the show).
Your points are valid. Ninjas are typically cold, efficient, and ruthless killing (or abducting/capturing, at the very least) machines. They're assassins. They probably have less interest in romance, or even close friendships, than your average person due to their lifestyle.
Actually, one of the things I dislike about both One Piece and Naruto is how much they drift from what a pirate, or what a ninja, actually are.
I think that sometimes we, as anime fans, lose sight of the cultural milieu and general atmosphere about, many of our favourite characters.
Perhaps anime itself is to blame to some degree (Luffy and gang in One Piece don't seem to do an awful lot of actual pirating from what I've seen of the show).
Your points are valid. Ninjas are typically cold, efficient, and ruthless killing (or abducting/capturing, at the very least) machines. They're assassins. They probably have less interest in romance, or even close friendships, than your average person due to their lifestyle.
Actually, one of the things I dislike about both One Piece and Naruto is how much they drift from what a pirate, or what a ninja, actually are.
Well, the Strawhats DID recently declare war on the World Government, so there's something at least.
Plus there's Nami's frequent stealing, and Nico Robin's whole life.
Darth Joker
12-26-2007, 11:32 PM
Well, the Strawhats DID recently declare war on the World Government, so there's something at least.
True. That is genuinely encouraging. I guess I would have perfered to see a few more ship vs. ship at sea battles involving stolen booty. I realize that Luffy is the main protagonist and hence you really don't want to show him stealing a great deal from innocent everyday sailors, but there's no reason why he can't pirate the vessels of other pirates.
Plus there's Nami's frequent stealing, and Nico Robin's whole life.
I did like that about Nami. The funny thing is that, IIRC, she started out hating pirates, though she's one of the closest to being an actual pirate out of the entire protagonist cast.
True. That is genuinely encouraging. I guess I would have perfered to see a few more ship vs. ship at sea battles involving stolen booty. I realize that Luffy is the main protagonist and hence you really don't want to show him stealing a great deal from innocent everyday sailors, but there's no reason why he can't pirate the vessels of other pirates.
I did like that about Nami. The funny thing is that, IIRC, she started out hating pirates, though she's one of the closest to being an actual pirate out of the entire protagonist cast.
Yeah, that is ironic about Nami.
Alex L
12-27-2007, 11:28 AM
I don't understand,
If you are born into a life that dictates your sole purpose is to kill and you decide that there is only one person who is truly deserving of being killed by you. Then why is it everyone else feels by not doing everything else besides killing you are emo, wrong, evil and a jerk?
If anything Sasuke is only real Ninja in the entire series. His sole reason for learning Ninjitsu is because he wants to be strong enough to kill someone else. Thats all Ninjas did. Assassinate someone else, or steal something from someone else (usually info.)
Not worrying about love and pretty pink haired girls, or formomg lasting friendships with retards, not worrying about their future in their families hierarchy, not worrying about over coming their shyness, not about their friendship with their pet dogs, not about their insect collection, not about their pretty hair and skin, not about whats for dinner, not about proving themselves as worthwhile ninjas with only their taijutsu, not about being strong female ninjas.
This post comes off a little too Real Ultimate Power-y.
The job description of a ninja does entail what you say, but a ninja is a job -- lifestyle, not quite so much.
Even samurai, back in the feudal warlords days, would be known to run to fight another day or whatnot. The romanticized concept of "death before dishonor" didn't come until MUCH later, pretty much after the bloodiest fighting had been done.
So this idea of "Sasuke is a TRUE ninja because he's training to kill his brother and avenge the deaths of his family" -- that may be his character motivation, but that doesn't make him a real ninja (c'mon, how real are ninjas who control the elements and can instantly replace themselves with inanimate blocks of wood?)
Devil_LeonX
12-28-2007, 03:03 AM
honestly No one is Naruto is 100% a real Ninja, the closes one that is least I think so would kind of have to be Orochimoro, assinated thsoe that get in his way and doing everything he can to reach his goals for the most part any way.oh and of course Kakashi LOOOKs the most like one
Megaman XXX
01-01-2008, 10:02 PM
Sasuke won't get Sakura. He's not worthy of her. Even should he defeat Itachi, and gains some semblence of emotions beyond desiring power and revenge, he's still going to push her away. Nothing she can say or do is ever going to break Sasuke he's a person of value. Itachi didn't believe he had any value when he slaughtered the entire clan. Sasuke thinks of himself as worthless except for defeating Itachi. He defeats Itachi, once that satisfaction ebbs he's going to believe his worth is now gone. He'll be ronin, unworthy of Konoha, and be Mister Whiny Boy for the rest of his life.
Sakura deserves to be with someone who sees her as a person of worth. If Sasuke uses her to fill a hole he'll be doing both of them a disservice.See this is how bad this forum is, a total subjective bias on Sasuke's character and everything he stands for. First off, Sakura believed and loved Sasuke for who he was regaurdless of his actons and Sasuke always had a dark hole in his heart that was blank because of his tragic past casue social inhabition and straying. And you never know because Kishi set Sasuke with Sakura for a reason to confirm their feelings for each others. And the confession was the only hint of cannon evidence we've seen. If really think Sasuke wil for go a tragic development in the future then you're surly going to be in for a disappointment. And Sasuke in your view sounds like a villain more than a foil anti hero and someone who Kishi seems to love developing, which makes you sound even more tardish.
Kishi said Sakura filled Sasuke heart and he also acreditted Sakura's character on loving Sasuke and never giving up on him and Naruto, Sakura Kishi and Sasuke are beyond your control and seriously putting Sasuke in the wrong here since it's not over for Sasuke yet.
PS:Thanks guy, we need to show these haters Sasuke's not hopeless.
Megaman XXX
01-01-2008, 10:12 PM
Not really, Naruto has stuck by Sakura through everything they've been through and put his life on the line for her more than once, he's got the best claim of anyone.Ahem, thats funny, I distinctly remember Sasuke putting his ass and sticking by Sakura through everything in part One, and even confessed she was a precious person and usefull. If anything Sasuke has custody of Sakura because of his dark void of a heart and the one who truly respects Sakura. Naruto just crushed on her.
Personally I don't care for Naruto being involved with anyone since he seems to have grown detached from romance post time-skip.
Hinata is the best bet methinks.I think Naruto shouldn't end up with anyone.
Friendship, acceptance and romantic love are three very different things.
Gaara worked bloody hard to regain his village's trust and damn near died defending them, I don't see Sasuke working so hard for his right to Sakura that you claim he has.Sasuke defended Naruto more than once in the wave arc, he saved and catched Sakura from falling and dying, he scafriced his life to save the village from Gaara, and he made good on all the villgers due to his popularity and skills and combat. Gaara killed everyone and died. In Part 2, you can't say he didn't do those things and is innocent.
Neji wasn't that much of a prick to be honest IMO, he was just scared of the future. He needed Rock Lee and Ten Ten to be there for him, he needed their support.
According to Sasuke he doesn't need anyone.Apparently, he claimed Naruto to be his best friend and Sakura a precious person.
I never claimed to be, I just don't think Sasuke remotely deserves any kind of romantic success with Sakura. Not without serious work on his part.
The board does have a lot of people who hate Sasuke, I am not one of them. I find Sasuke boring and long for his character to be turned into something interesting because honestly I can't identify with his lone-avenger schtick.Opinion much, everyone I talked to seems to have it out for Sasuke when I joined.
I do however have strong views on how a romantic relationship should work and Sasuke needs to make a lot of effort before he is even in Sakura's league.And no Sasuke doesn't need work he just needs love.Some of you don't know your right from your left and I think this board doesn't need my presense.
master of read
01-02-2008, 01:55 AM
Some of you don't know your right from your left and I think this board doesn't need my presense.
yep. we really dont need your "presense." what ever the hell that is.
but that's cool. we got along just fine without ya. so head on back to narutofan or where-ever it is you came from. i'm sure they could use your all knowing "presense."
Nik Hasta
01-02-2008, 06:53 AM
Ahem, thats funny, I distinctly remember Sasuke putting his ass and sticking by Sakura through everything in part One, and even confessed she was a precious person and usefull. If anything Sasuke has custody of Sakura because of his dark void of a heart and the one who truly respects Sakura. Naruto just crushed on her.
"Because of the dark void of his heart,"? Good grief.
Sasuke knocked Sakura out and ignored her declaring her feelings for him and begging and pleading with him not leave Konoha and join their number one enemy.
Naruto cares for Sakura enough to put her feelings first, when he went to get Sasuke back he didn't do it for himself or for Sasuke, he did it for her. He did it to make her happy.
Also; "Sasuke has custody of Sakura,"? What is she a possession?
I think Naruto shouldn't end up with anyone.
That's what I said. He's too focussed on his physical goals right now to consider romance.
Sasuke defended Naruto more than once in the wave arc,
And then tried to kill him three times later on. Using Sasuke's early examples of being a nice person does not excuse the current person he has become.
he saved and catched Sakura from falling and dying,
Naruto saved Sakura from Gaara. Go figure.
he scafriced his life to save the village from Gaara,
No he nearly sacrificed his life. Naruto again did the same.
and he made good on all the villgers due to his popularity and skills and combat. Gaara killed everyone and died. In Part 2, you can't say he didn't do those things and is innocent.
What?
I'm once again having trouble understanding you.
Are you saying that Sasuke saved the village? Because he didn't, Naruto did.
Sasuke tried and failed, Naruto turned up and saved the day, defeating a stronger version of Gaara to boot. Hence why Sasuke started to feel jealous of Naruto.
Since you also seem to be making a stab at Gaara; Gaara worked to redeem himself. He became the leader of a village that previously lived in abject fear of him, saved Lee from being killed, despite trying to kill him before and saved his entire village from being destroyed.
Show me Sasuke doing anything like as much to redeem himself for trying to kill Naruto.
Oh wait, that's right. He hasn't.
Apparently, he claimed Naruto to be his best friend and Sakura a precious person.
And has since then tried to kill both of them. Naruto more than once.
Funny way of showing it.
Opinion much, everyone I talked to seems to have it out for Sasuke when I joined.
As I said, not many people like him. Myself and Ghost to name but two don't hate Sasuke, we just find him dull.
And no Sasuke doesn't need work he just needs love.
What I'm saying is; he needs to work to deserve love.
Luckily Naruto seems to give it to him unconditionally.
Some of you don't know your right from your left and I think this board doesn't need my presense.
Feel free to leave any time.
xAgentx Iron Fist
01-02-2008, 02:20 PM
guys sasuke said it himself at the start of the series.
"i must restore my clan, and kill a certin someone"
once itachi thing settles hes gonna go back to konoha and "restore" his clan with sakura
master of read
01-02-2008, 04:55 PM
guys sasuke said it himself at the start of the series.
"i must restore my clan, and kill a certin someone"
once itachi thing settles hes gonna go back to konoha and "restore" his clan with sakura
how can he? he is still considered a rogue ninja in the village and if you think that they are just are gonna welcome him back with open arms, then you need to stop smoking what ever it is you are smoking.
and i dont think new sakura would find new sasuke very attactive.
how can he? he is still considered a rogue ninja in the village and if you think that they are just are gonna welcome him back with open arms, then you need to stop smoking what ever it is you are smoking.
and i dont think new sakura would find new sasuke very attactive.
Again, he knows this well, it's why he keeps Karin around.
xAgentx Iron Fist
01-02-2008, 05:39 PM
how can he? he is still considered a rogue ninja in the village and if you think that they are just are gonna welcome him back with open arms, then you need to stop smoking what ever it is you are smoking.
and i dont think new sakura would find new sasuke very attactive.
if hes consindered a rouge ninja y are there teams and missions to bring him back huh
if sasuke came back they would except him , one reson is he took down a main criminal of konoha orochimaru.
master of read
01-02-2008, 07:11 PM
Again, he knows this well, it's why he keeps Karin around.
exactly my thinking. karin just about rapes him when they are alone.
Kevin M.
01-02-2008, 11:44 PM
Some of you don't know your right from your left and I think this board doesn't need my presense.
As the song goes...
Hit the road Jack, and never come back no more!!!
Armless Penguin
01-03-2008, 12:10 AM
And then tried to kill him three times later on. Using Sasuke's early examples of being a nice person does not excuse the current person he has become.
People say this, but really, it's false. Sasuke may have said he was trying to kill Naruto, but he says a lot of things. He could have killed him at the VotE if he'd wanted to, but he didn't. He had ample opportunity to off him when Team 7 confronted him in Part 2, but he didn't. Instead he stood there taunting Yamato and then studying the Kyuubi inside Naruto. Sasuke wants to think he wants to kill Naruto, but it's obvious he hasn't ever fully tried. That's just part of his character. It's not as if he's some evil, soulless villain who stays up late each night pondering the many ways he could try to kill Naruto. Because, let's be honest, if Sasuke wanted Naruto dead, Naruto would be dead.
Xero Kaiser
01-03-2008, 12:24 AM
Sasuke wants to think he wants to kill Naruto, but it's obvious he hasn't ever fully tried.
Looks like he tried to me
http://img13.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000228/10-11.jpg
Armless Penguin
01-03-2008, 12:33 AM
Looks like he tried to me
http://img13.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000233/14.jpg
I don't know. To me it kind of looks like he's standing over a defeated, living, breathing, and healing Naruto and letting him live, while struggling with his emotions and confusion about what he has done.
EDIT: Also, him doing anything at that point under the influence of the Curse Seal is hardly evidence about whether or not he truly wanted to commit that action.
Len Ikari145
01-03-2008, 12:46 AM
if hes consindered a rouge ninja y are there teams and missions to bring him back huh
One: Because Naruto and Sakura are his friends, and they care for Sasuke in spite of betraying them. They follow the philosophy that Kakashi embedded in their psyche.
"Those who disobey the rules are scum. But those who abandon their comrades are less than scum"
Naruto even later somewhat paraphrases this speech when they encountered Sasuke again for the first time in nearly three years. He can't just abandon his "brother," even if Sasuke no longers values their bond as best friends.
Secondly: He's a missing nin and possesses the greatest doujutsu known to the Shinobi world. If Orochimaru or any other opposing ninja factions gets a hold of him and extract its secrets, they're screwed. He also needs to be returned to Konoha to pay the penalty for his actions. Only Naruto and Sakura want Sasuke back for sentimental reasons.
Dark Soul # 7
01-03-2008, 03:21 AM
I don't know. To me it kind of looks like he's standing over a defeated, living, breathing, and healing Naruto and letting him live, while struggling with his emotions and confusion about what he has done.
EDIT: Also, him doing anything at that point under the influence of the Curse Seal is hardly evidence about whether or not he truly wanted to commit that action.He didn't kill Naruto because he didn't want to do things the way that his brother told him to do them. It's not the whole thing of what happened but it's a large part of it.
And he did try to kill Naruto again in the grass country. Sai had to save Naruto and Yamato had to save Sakura.
Recently he stabbed a kage bunshin through the heart without knowing that it was a kage bunshin, he didn't even have his sharingan activated, not that it would've helped.
Armless Penguin
01-03-2008, 10:09 AM
It's not the whole thing of what happened but it's a large part of it.
Again, this is something that Sasuke says but not what he necessarily means. Like you said, it may have played a part in it, but it can't be said to have been the cause of his decision. Sasuke is a character whose looks and facial expressions say way more than what he actually does with words, and that page I posted does more to hint at what he's really feeling and his real motivations than anything he has actually expressed or let himself believe.
And he did try to kill Naruto again in the grass country. Sai had to save Naruto and Yamato had to save Sakura.
He "tried to kill them" when they were in a group consisting of one highly trained ANBU Root member and another high-level ANBU Captain. Sasuke was faster than anyone else there. If he'd really wanted to stab Naruto through the heart at that point, Sai wouldn't have been able to stop him. As for Sakura, he barely made a move toward her before Yamato, who had never even met him before then, decided he meant to kill her.
Recently he stabbed a kage bunshin through the heart without knowing that it was a kage bunshin, he didn't even have his sharingan activated, not that it would've helped.
No, he used a Chidori that seems to not have punctured through the target despite how easily it could have. (Chapter 371, pages 04 to 05).
Look, I'm not saying that Sasuke is a good person, because he's not. But it's equally as fallacious to say that he's a bad person. Some people seem to make out like he wakes up and tries to take the most evil path possible for that day, and that's hardly the truth. He's a complicated, conflicted character, who himself isn't sure if what he's doing is the right thing (arguably), and he might not be everyone's cup of tea. But that doesn't give those people the excuse to try to make him out as something that he's not, which I see as becoming ever more prevalent these days. And it's kind of annoying.
xAgentx Iron Fist
01-03-2008, 05:04 PM
One: Because Naruto and Sakura are his friends, and they care for Sasuke in spite of betraying them. They follow the philosophy that Kakashi embedded in their psyche.
"Those who disobey the rules are scum. But those who abandon their comrades are less than scum"
Naruto even later somewhat paraphrases this speech when they encountered Sasuke again for the first time in nearly three years. He can't just abandon his "brother," even if Sasuke no longers values their bond as best friends.
Secondly: He's a missing nin and possesses the greatest doujutsu known to the Shinobi world. If Orochimaru or any other opposing ninja factions gets a hold of him and extract its secrets, they're screwed. He also needs to be returned to Konoha to pay the penalty for his actions. Only Naruto and Sakura want Sasuke back for sentimental reasons.
good points, well i noe it cheezey but at the end of the series naruto is gonna be hokageand sasukes gonna come back to the village and naruto ,as the hokage(garra refeence)is gonna accept him
i noe u guys are gonna say that im stupid and its gonna end in a more creative way but come on we all noe in our minds that naruto is gonna end in some simmilar way like that.
Armless Penguin
01-03-2008, 05:26 PM
\Secondly: He's a missing nin and possesses the greatest doujutsu known to the Shinobi world. If Orochimaru or any other opposing ninja factions gets a hold of him and extract its secrets, they're screwed. He also needs to be returned to Konoha to pay the penalty for his actions. Only Naruto and Sakura want Sasuke back for sentimental reasons.
Minor complaint here: the penalty for Sasuke's actions is death, hence the existence of Hunter Nin. Really, the only reason Sasuke doesn't have Konoha assassins on his tail is because Tsunade is so under Naruto's thumb. That's why Danzou sent out Sai.
As for his Sharingan, you just explained perfectly why Konoha should be trying to kill him. He's far too dangerous to their security to be left alive and with Orochimaru.
Len Ikari145
01-03-2008, 06:35 PM
Minor complaint here: the penalty for Sasuke's actions is death, hence the existence of Hunter Nin. Really, the only reason Sasuke doesn't have Konoha assassins on his tail is because Tsunade is so under Naruto's thumb. That's why Danzou sent out Sai.
That, they can't spare any ninjas at the moment since they're still suffering from Orochimaru's attack on the village three years prior. Especially with the mobilization of the Akatsuki
As for his Sharingan, you just explained perfectly why Konoha should be trying to kill him. He's far too dangerous to their security to be left alive and with Orochimaru.
And I agree with you 100% percent. But as you said, Naruto's influence on Tsunade is the only reason the mission is to "retrieve" Sasuke instead of eliminating him.
PaidHero
01-09-2008, 12:20 PM
Sasuke's a pussy. Naruto all the way. IMO. The question is when is Sakura going to warm up to Naruto?
Sasuke's a pussy. Naruto all the way. IMO. The question is when is Sakura going to warm up to Naruto?
I wouldn't go so far as to call him a pussy, the guy is probably one of the top dogs in Naruto right now.
Spidey-kid1
01-09-2008, 06:45 PM
Well, the Strawhats DID recently declare war on the World Government, so there's something at least.
Plus there's Nami's frequent stealing, and Nico Robin's whole life.
Plus, there was Luffy's idea to steal all the gold from Sky Island that he woke Nami up to tell.
Don't kill me for this, but I'm also a Sasusaku supporter. I want Sakura ending up with Sasuke, but for that to be possible, he's going to need to work on... well... everything.I want sakura to deck himk as much as the next guy, but with some work done, Sasuke could be worthy of her hotness. I didn't like the dude much at first, but then he became a good friend of narutos. I liked him a lot more after that. I like the dude even more right now for some reason. Sure, he needs some work, but it cant be that hard. Gaara redeemed himself, and I thought he was impossible.
When it comes to Naruto, I actually want him to be alone, if not, with Hinata. TS hinata is hot as hell too.
Plus, there was Luffy's idea to steal all the gold from Sky Island that he woke Nami up to tell.
Don't kill me for this, but I'm also a Sasusaku supporter. I want Sakura ending up with Sasuke, but for that to be possible, he's going to need to work on... well... everything.I want sakura to deck himk as much as the next guy, but with some work done, Sasuke could be worthy of her hotness. I didn't like the dude much at first, but then he became a good friend of narutos. I liked him a lot more after that. I like the dude even more right now for some reason. Sure, he needs some work, but it cant be that hard. Gaara redeemed himself, and I thought he was impossible.
When it comes to Naruto, I actually want him to be alone, if not, with Hinata. TS hinata is hot as hell too.
I just want some freaking backstory for Tenten.
Seriously, is that too much to ask?
I mean the girl is a freaking mystery.
Spidey-kid1
01-09-2008, 07:12 PM
I just want some freaking backstory for Tenten.
Seriously, is that too much to ask?
I mean the girl is a freaking mystery.
I've always wondered about her. Whats her deal? Everyone has some dramatic past and a goal.
Lee was always weak. He wants to prove he can be a outstaning ninja too.
Gaara's dad tryed to use his guardian to kill him and he killed his guardian among lots of others. He wants to be needed by people like Naruto.
Sasukes clan was murdered. He wants revenge.
Then theres Tenten.:D
And maybe Temari.
Ghost
01-09-2008, 08:45 PM
I just want some freaking backstory for Tenten.
Seriously, is that too much to ask?
I mean the girl is a freaking mystery.
What he said.
Seriously.
She doesn't even have a family name! oO
I've always wondered about her. Whats her deal? Everyone has some dramatic past and a goal.
Lee was always weak. He wants to prove he can be a outstaning ninja too.
Gaara's dad tryed to use his guardian to kill him and he killed his guardian among lots of others. He wants to be needed by people like Naruto.
Sasukes clan was murdered. He wants revenge.
Then theres Tenten.:D
And maybe Temari.
The most I have EVER heard about her in terms of characterisation is that she is supposedly a fan of Tsunade and wants to prove that female shinobi can be just as good as the male ones.
darksaint124
01-09-2008, 09:07 PM
To all the people that keep insisting that Sasuke would kill Naruto and Sakura at a moments notice, to this date WHO has he killed???????????????
Seriously, why do people decide that he is an evil character when Naruto would lose his cool and try to kill someone before Sasuke. The man has a mission, being in Konogakure would conflict with that. If you think logically, if Sasuke would have stayed who would have trained him. You also seem to forget that the person he's after is the same person that was supposed to be hunting Naruto. So would you rather him train with Orochimaru(one of the 3 Sannin, the other 2 trained the rest of team 7)and eliminate him along the way, or stay and learn from Kakashi, who Itachi pwned in 2 seconds flat(new record,flawless victory)
Spidey-kid1
01-09-2008, 09:08 PM
What he said.
Seriously.
She doesn't even have a family name! oO
The most I have EVER heard about her in terms of characterisation is that she is supposedly a fan of Tsunade and wants to prove that female shinobi can be just as good as the male ones.
Sakuras doing a bang up job of doing that for her.:D
And so is every other female in the show. Besides Tenten herself, that is.:p
darksaint124
01-09-2008, 09:37 PM
how can he? he is still considered a rogue ninja in the village and if you think that they are just are gonna welcome him back with open arms, then you need to stop smoking what ever it is you are smoking.
Name one reason why they wouldn't let Sasuke come back, besides the very old "He left when they needed him most and tried to kill Naruto"
Naruto was only in that position because he couldn't leave well enough alone and decided that it was his mission to bring Sasuke back. And how, pray tell, did Naruto go about doing this. By saying he's going to break all his limbs and drag him back to the village against his will. Real hero there....
Sasuke's only crime is leaving. That's it. He's not like Zabuza or Orochimaru who tried to assasinate people in their respective countries, so why does everyone keep thinking that he's evil incarnate or something.
Hiromi
01-09-2008, 10:01 PM
Name one reason why they wouldn't let Sasuke come back, besides the very old "He left when they needed him most and tried to kill Naruto"
Wow, that was just, wow.
Naruto was only in that position because he couldn't leave well enough alone and decided that it was his mission to bring Sasuke back.
Now (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/jmjon9/Comic%20Images/11-1.jpg) why (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/jmjon9/Comic%20Images/10.jpg) would he do that? (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/jmjon9/Comic%20Images/12.jpg)
And how, pray tell, did Naruto go about doing this. By saying he's going to break all his limbs and drag him back to the village against his will. Real hero there.... yeah, guess we better say damn all those police officers who use force to take a child/dog rapist murder who decides to resist arrest, who cares that they're doing their job, I mean nevermind that Naruto is simply following his mission, his heart, and his conscience and understands that temporary injuries that heal with time are a helluva lot better than a mistake that can EASILY cost him his life and further empower Konoha's chief enemy.
Sasuke's only crime is leaving to go join up with the aforementioned most powerful enemy Konoha currently has, which considering he belongs to a quasi independant military style organization it can be easily likened to treason, what do we do to people who commit that? Oh yeah, we hang them. That's it.
I FIXED IT FOR YOU!!ONEONE!!
He's not like Zabuza or Orochimaru who tried to assasinate people in their respective countries, so why does everyone keep thinking that he's evil incarnate or something.
Oh no, he's only going to go join up with the more dangerous of the two mentioned, all for the wonderfully noble and heoric goal of selling his soul to kill his brother, to which point he goes well out of his damn way to kill his best friend, which by the way he would have had it not been for the miraculous regeneration Naruto had which at the time Jerkface had no idea about whatsoever, even if he couldn't bring himself to do it in the very end, guess its the thought that counts.
You're really good at this by the way, of course by good I mean absolutely terrible.
darksaint124
01-09-2008, 11:11 PM
yeah, guess we better say damn all those police officers who use force to take a child/dog rapist murder who decides to resist arrest, who cares that they're doing their job, I mean nevermind that Naruto is simply following his mission, his heart, and his conscience and understands that temporary injuries that heal with time are a helluva lot better than a mistake that can EASILY cost him his life and further empower Konoha's chief enemy.
First off all referencing police officers is not the way to go. Some police officers do their jobs they way they are supposed to by only using force when neccesary, while some think they are above the law, and that if you don't jump when they say then they can pass it off as you resisted. Trust me I've seen both in my life, and way more of the latter. I'm not saying all cops are bad, just that the bad ones make the good ones seem less helpful than they really are.
But, back to the topic.
Sasuke left to achieve power, okay that's been said. So if he would have stayed in Konoha, who would have trained him. I asked this in a number of threads and no one has answered this question yet. Individuals have free will, and sometimes people make the wrong decision, but Sasuke got stronger than he would have if he would have stayed, and he eliminated Orochimaru(as you said, the biggest threat to Konogakure) So exactly who did that work out for.
Uuhhmmm............ let's see, oh yeah, EVERYONE. So what I'm trying to tell you is: If Sasuke did not leave the village Orochimaru would still be alive and probably in a new body, planning to take down Konoha again. The real funny thing is that Naruto left the village right after. I have another post in a different thread that goes much more in depth. I'll look for it and put it up, cause I can do this all day, but why type something that I already did.
Found it.
This is a world of SHINOBI.
I really don't understand where everyone gets this romanticized idea that ninja are supposed to have some kind of Bushido moral system, but saying things like "Sasuke is bad because he's only out to kill his brother," when certain missions that villages give out are assasinations, really make no sense.
If there were 100 people in a room, and all of those people lost their entire family, from mother to 4th cousin, and then you had to relive that experience repeatedly, probably causing some kind of severe emotional damage. How many of those people would be out for revenge. And as I said "It's a shinobi world." So basically your learning how to kill people. And when you do get comfortable with your nakama, the person that slaughtered your family shows up, brushes your skills aside like they were nothing, and then procedes to beat the crap out of you, while your powerless to stop them. Are you really going to tell me that your going to be content to just go back to your village, get stronger at a snail's pace(other than the 4th, Itachi was probably the strongest ninja Konogakure produced) and play around with your friend's on little weak missions. Or are you going to try to get power at any means.
I mean everybody seems to forget if Sasuke would have stuck around even Sakura would have been stronger than him.
Sannin-Team 7
Orochimaru-Sasuke
Jiraiya-Naruto
Tsunade-Sakura
Who would have trained him? Kakashi? who already got pwned by Itachi in like a split second.
Your moral standards are too high when ninja are supposed to kill their emotions. Look at post-time skip Naruto, all the control he learned and they forgot about the most important SELF CONTROL.
By the logic everyone has set, wouldn't Naruto flipping out several times and trying to destroy eveything in his path make him evil, or is he exempt because he's the protagonist.
And to date since Sasuke left who has he killed???
Hasn't he freed all the slaves that Orochimaru had?
Are these not redeemable qualities, when Konogakure would have done nothing about them???
It's sad 'cause I actually like the entire Team 7 equally(except for Sai, but he doesn't count)
But Sasuke got stronger and has done valiant deeds, while all Naruto has done is lose his temper and learn a bettr rasengan.
And why couldn't Jiraiya teach Naruto how to gain experience from his Kage Bunshin?????????????
Or teach him any actual techniques?????????????
And this is the village you wanted Sasuke to stay in??? For shame.
Hiromi, I hope you didn't think that weak post I put up earlier was my A game, I'm only on B status right now. Watching and reading too many other things.
Alex L
01-10-2008, 07:01 AM
This is a world of SHINOBI.
I really don't understand where everyone gets this romanticized idea that ninja are supposed to have some kind of Bushido moral system, but saying things like "Sasuke is bad because he's only out to kill his brother," when certain missions that villages give out are assasinations, really make no sense.
And I don't understand where you get this romanticized idea that ninja are "on" 24/7. As if they lived for the mission, and when they weren't in the field, were meditating and training for their next mission.
P.S. Naruto hasn't been about ninja... well, ever, really. The closest it came was in the Wave Country arc, and since then it's become a superhero comic.
Ghost
01-10-2008, 09:25 AM
Sakuras doing a bang up job of doing that for her.:D
And so is every other female in the show. Besides Tenten herself, that is.:p
I dunno, Ino is actually arguably more useless. At least Tenten tried tossing a shuriken-bomb at Kisame once.
Spidey-kid1
01-10-2008, 06:22 PM
I dunno, Ino is actually arguably more useless. At least Tenten tried tossing a shuriken-bomb at Kisame once.
I forgot about Ino. That body switch of hers is useful though. Just take over a body a knock yourself out. She could own half the characters in naruto that way.:D
I forgot about Ino. That body switch of hers is useful though. Just take over a body a knock yourself out. She could own half the characters in naruto that way.:D
If I remember right though, any damage done to the possessed person is done to her own body though.
How the heck that works is beyond me.
Spidey-kid1
01-10-2008, 07:10 PM
If I remember right though, any damage done to the possessed person is done to her own body though.
How the heck that works is beyond me.
I don't really get that either. Thats basically the same as Shikimarus shadow possession jutsu.
I get the damage thing, but she also once threatened to kill the sound ninjas teamate if they didn't back down.
Chrosis
01-10-2008, 08:06 PM
I don't really get that either. Thats basically the same as Shikimarus shadow possession jutsu.
I get the damage thing, but she also once threatened to kill the sound ninjas teamate if they didn't back down.
She was bluffing.
master of read
01-10-2008, 08:14 PM
First off all referencing police officers is not the way to go. Some police officers do their jobs they way they are supposed to by only using force when neccesary, while some think they are above the law, and that if you don't jump when they say then they can pass it off as you resisted. Trust me I've seen both in my life, and way more of the latter. I'm not saying all cops are bad, just that the bad ones make the good ones seem less helpful than they really are.
But, back to the topic.
Sasuke left to achieve power, okay that's been said. So if he would have stayed in Konoha, who would have trained him. I asked this in a number of threads and no one has answered this question yet. Individuals have free will, and sometimes people make the wrong decision, but Sasuke got stronger than he would have if he would have stayed, and he eliminated Orochimaru(as you said, the biggest threat to Konogakure) So exactly who did that work out for.
Uuhhmmm............ let's see, oh yeah, EVERYONE. So what I'm trying to tell you is: If Sasuke did not leave the village Orochimaru would still be alive and probably in a new body, planning to take down Konoha again. The real funny thing is that Naruto left the village right after. I have another post in a different thread that goes much more in depth. I'll look for it and put it up, cause I can do this all day, but why type something that I already did.
Found it.
This is a world of SHINOBI.
I really don't understand where everyone gets this romanticized idea that ninja are supposed to have some kind of Bushido moral system, but saying things like "Sasuke is bad because he's only out to kill his brother," when certain missions that villages give out are assasinations, really make no sense.
If there were 100 people in a room, and all of those people lost their entire family, from mother to 4th cousin, and then you had to relive that experience repeatedly, probably causing some kind of severe emotional damage. How many of those people would be out for revenge. And as I said "It's a shinobi world." So basically your learning how to kill people. And when you do get comfortable with your nakama, the person that slaughtered your family shows up, brushes your skills aside like they were nothing, and then procedes to beat the crap out of you, while your powerless to stop them. Are you really going to tell me that your going to be content to just go back to your village, get stronger at a snail's pace(other than the 4th, Itachi was probably the strongest ninja Konogakure produced) and play around with your friend's on little weak missions. Or are you going to try to get power at any means.
I mean everybody seems to forget if Sasuke would have stuck around even Sakura would have been stronger than him.
Sannin-Team 7
Orochimaru-Sasuke
Jiraiya-Naruto
Tsunade-Sakura
Who would have trained him? Kakashi? who already got pwned by Itachi in like a split second.
Your moral standards are too high when ninja are supposed to kill their emotions. Look at post-time skip Naruto, all the control he learned and they forgot about the most important SELF CONTROL.
By the logic everyone has set, wouldn't Naruto flipping out several times and trying to destroy eveything in his path make him evil, or is he exempt because he's the protagonist.
And to date since Sasuke left who has he killed???
Hasn't he freed all the slaves that Orochimaru had?
Are these not redeemable qualities, when Konogakure would have done nothing about them???
It's sad 'cause I actually like the entire Team 7 equally(except for Sai, but he doesn't count)
But Sasuke got stronger and has done valiant deeds, while all Naruto has done is lose his temper and learn a bettr rasengan.
And why couldn't Jiraiya teach Naruto how to gain experience from his Kage Bunshin?????????????
Or teach him any actual techniques?????????????
And this is the village you wanted Sasuke to stay in??? For shame.
Hiromi, I hope you didn't think that weak post I put up earlier was my A game, I'm only on B status right now. Watching and reading too many other things.
word of advice. dont mess with hiromi. he's one of the many people here that can verbally rape someone like you.
PaidHero
01-10-2008, 08:20 PM
I wouldn't go so far as to call him a pussy, the guy is probably one of the top dogs in Naruto right now.
LOL I know he kicks butt. But everyone knows dumb ol' Naruto has way more potential than Sasuke. And I only called Sasuke a pussy cuz he won't hook up with Sakura.
LOL I know he kicks butt. But everyone knows dumb ol' Naruto has way more potential than Sasuke. And I only called Sasuke a pussy cuz he won't hook up with Sakura.
Well since he's most likely doing Karin, I would say he sees no reason to go back to Sakura.
Spidey-kid1
01-10-2008, 09:09 PM
Well since he's most likely doing Karin, I would say he sees no reason to go back to Sakura.
Damn shes hot. Not even close to Sakura in my opinion, but still REALLY hot.
PaidHero
01-10-2008, 09:35 PM
Well since he's most likely doing Karin, I would say he sees no reason to go back to Sakura.
What do you mean back? They weren't even a couple were they?
Robotech Master
01-11-2008, 12:51 AM
Alright, I think its about time I reveal my 'Other' reason for disliking SasuSaku--unless some drastic work is done of course.
It's this: Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are a representation of her old weakness. Now before you get in a fit about this, Kishimoto himself said that in the First Part of the story Sakura was created initially to just be some annoying character, and that she was one of two characters who represented human weakness. As time went on, he realized he needed to take her character in different directions, both with her intelligence and her skills to be a stronger character.
But in Part I, her fixation with Sasuke is a defining weakness. She did little training to improve herself due to the amount of time that she was more concerned about "winning" Sasuke over the other girls. Furthermore, Sakura's "love" for him is a very naive love. She screamed that she was "so in love" with him before he left, but she's only 13 at that point. She doesn't know the difference between love and a first-love type crush.
And she doesn't know what her relationship with Naruto really is, but Yamato was about to call her on it (HINT HINT).
Now a crush can grow into full blown love. And there can be reperations yadda yadda, so I'm not saying their relationship is unsalvageable. But in all honesty, it would irk me a little inside if Sasuke comes back and she views him through the same lens as a horny school-girl. But that's what they had together before, a largely one-sided crush, and because of his absence its had no time to realistically develop into something more.
Need more proof? Compare Sakura's Crush with Naruto's Crush. Naruto's crush prooved itself to be capable of breaking into the True Love zone. He basically made the decision "I'm going to bring you back another man, even at the cost of my life, just to see you smile again." At the beginning and end of the Sasuke retrieval arc, there are scenes of Sakura crying, and we know for a fact that both times weren't for Sasuke; in fact, there are implications that it wasn't just for Naruto either (especially since Naruto wasn't injured when he left at the beginning). She was crying out of self-spite, for never realizing the depth of Naruto's feelings and his understanding of her, and the way she treated him so bad despite this.
So if I had any concise point, it would be that Naruto has at least so far justified his feelings, or perhaps it would be better to say that he prooved his feelings went beyond juvenile crap; whereas the relationship that Sakura had with Sasuke was a crush that has yet to be justified, even on Sakura's part. Her entire love for him back in Part I boiled down to him being the good-looking super-A rank student that all the other girls fawned over.
If they get together in the end, it simply CAN'T be the way it was before. Sakura would have to come up with NEW, more MATURE reasons for why she still wants to be with Sasuke. And if that happens, so be it. But right now I don't see anything that lies in the past that justifies a future with them together.
HynerianChef
01-11-2008, 02:50 AM
To answer the initial question, no, Jerkface won't be as much of an asshole to Sakura as he's been recently. Thematically, it's pretty clear that Naruto is going to succeed in this major goal he shared with Jiraiya: saving his friend from the Dark Side.
Jiraiya couldn't save his friend, Orochimaru, from the dark path; and it clearly made him doubt himself and was responsible for a lot of suffering over the years. It's why he never accepted to be Hokage even though the Third wanted him to follow him, why he decided to wander the world and keep an eye out for Orochimaru instead (as said by Tsunade). A big theme of the manga has been that the new generation is going to surpass the old one, and the current 'sannin' (Naruto, Sakura, Jerkface) will become better than the original bunch.
Naruto has had three major goals in the manga. Becoming Hokage, saving Jerkface, winning Sakura. I have little doubt he'll accomplish all three of them. So Jerkface will come back to the side of good eventually, and I expect that while he'll keep being arrogant as he was in Part I before turning traitor, he won't be a real asshole, as per the opening post.
Winslow
01-17-2008, 06:42 AM
I didn't read the whole thread, so I apologize if this point has already been made.
I always thought Sasuke's mistreatment of Sakura was a defense mechanism to keep them form becoming friends.
We know from Naruto manga volumes 24-27 that Sasuke wanted to kill Naruto in order to attain a higher level of the sharingan. That is Sasuke had to kill his best friend in order to achieve this power. I think Sasuke kept Sukura at a distance so he wouldn't have to kill HER. So in a weird ironic sense, Sasuke treating Sakura poorly was in fact a good thing.
Megaman XXX
01-18-2008, 07:52 AM
how can he? he is still considered a rogue ninja in the village and if you think that they are just are gonna welcome him back with open arms, then you need to stop smoking what ever it is you are smoking.
and i dont think new sakura would find new sasuke very attactive.Isthat why she got a nose bleed when she saw Sasuke naked? Because he wasn't attractive?
Oh by the way Sakura would be no where without Sasuke so don't say he's her weakness, because of him Sakura learns to respect people more and practice what she preaches.
I support Sasusaku because it's a pairing that foils and contrasts both characters and builds new possibilites and dynamics. They're like peanutbutter and Jelly. Rough and Edged and Sweet and delicate. Sakura has grown because of Sasuke and has Sasuke feeling human for once, while Naruto makes him realize bonds, Sakura makes him realize love and care. I think both of these characters make each other grow on a emotional and intellucal level plus the level of chemistry is amazing when they talk to each other. It's civil and down to earth.
I;m glad they're some Sasusaku fans besides me that other guy.
Alex L
01-18-2008, 01:35 PM
Isthat why she got a nose bleed when she saw Sasuke naked? Because he wasn't attractive?
When was this?
Because the focus now, is on what's happening now (post-timeskip), not what happened three years ago in the Narutoverse.
Len Ikari145
01-18-2008, 03:03 PM
When was this?
Because the focus now, is on what's happening now (post-timeskip), not what happened three years ago in the Narutoverse.
He's referring to Konohamaru's new "perverted jutsu" that he performed in front of Naruto, Kakashi, Sai and Sakura. Basically, it was Yaoi no jutsu with Sasuke and Sai naked which freaked out Naruto, shocked Kakashi, Sai doesn't react at all(no surprise), and Sakura fangirls over them.
Which proves nothing other than Sakura is as perverted as the rest of them(like Naruto himself states). And in case to you didn't notice, MMXX, she was drooling over the at the Sai Kage Bushin too. Guess she has a thing for him as well.:rolleyes:
master of read
01-18-2008, 04:55 PM
He's referring to Konohamaru's new "perverted jutsu" that he performed in front of Naruto, Kakashi, Sai and Sakura. Basically, it was Yaoi no jutsu with Sasuke and Sai naked which freaked out Naruto, shocked Kakashi, Sai doesn't react at all(no surprise), and Sakura fangirls over them.
Which proves nothing other than Sakura is as perverted as the rest of them(like Naruto himself states). And in case to you didn't notice, MMXX, she was drooling over the at the Sai Kage Bushin too. Guess she has a thing for him as well.:rolleyes:
damn. len beat me to it. but yeah, sakura was just acting out her perverted side. i mean, going by that logic megaman, then sakura must be in love with sai.
Devil_LeonX
01-22-2008, 11:12 PM
damn. len beat me to it. but yeah, sakura was just acting out her perverted side. i mean, going by that logic megaman, then sakura must be in love with sai.
I agree, doesnt prove anything except that Sakura likes good looking naked guys get it on........ehhhhhh!!
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