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TotalWorldDomination

12-22-2007, 08:06 AM

Hey all! Gotta real quick question for ya. I've been reading the new Thor and it's some of the best stuff I've read in quite a long time. I know that there was a fake Thor some time ago and I was just wondering what ever happened to him?

Thanks in advance.

The Thor Clone/Cyborg (known affectionately around these parts as "Clor") had his head smashed in by Hercules at the end of Civil War. His remains are floating in a tube at Camp Hammond, the HQ of the Initiative.

It has been stated that he will eventually return to the pages of Thor under the name "Ragnarock" although how and when are not known at this time, though Wizard did have a sketch of his new costume. I'd be willing to bet he becomes the US' answer to the "God Gap" between themselves and Asgard or Loki resurrects him because he thinks it's funny.

Gotham

12-22-2007, 08:11 AM

The Thor Clone/Cyborg (known affectionately around these parts as "Clor") had his head smashed in by Hercules at the end of Civil War. His remains are floating in a tube at Camp Hammond, the HQ of the Initiative.

It has been stated that he will eventually return to the pages of Thor under the name "Ragnarock" although how and when are not known at this time, though Wizard did have a sketch of his new costume. I'd be willing to bet he becomes the US' answer to the "God Gap" between themselves and Asgard or Loki resurrects him because he thinks it's funny.

Wow. Quick answer. Thanks a ton. It'd be great to see the cloned Thor and the real Thor duke it out...just after the real Thor hands Ironman's ass to him again.

Camron Amaya

12-22-2007, 10:39 AM

TotalWorldDomination

12-22-2007, 05:01 PM

Where was this?

I'll see if I can find the exact issue number, but it was one of Oliver Copeil's preview Sketches for Thor that was in Wizard Magizine. This was waaaaaaaay back when they announced the book.

Will.S

12-22-2007, 10:13 PM

I'll see if I can find the exact issue number, but it was one of Oliver Copeil's preview Sketches for Thor that was in Wizard Magizine. This was waaaaaaaay back when they announced the book.
Are you sure those weren't just sketches of alternate costumes?

The only other picture I've seen of him are from the Wizard article where Leonard Kirk drew a roundtable of upcoming villains (Skrulls, Red Skull, Ragnarok, The Hood, Mandarin).

DeadXMan

12-23-2007, 12:14 AM

Hey all! Gotta real quick question for ya. I've been reading the new Thor and it's some of the best stuff I've read in quite a long time. I know that there was a fake Thor some time ago and I was just wondering what ever happened to him?

Thanks in advance.

Witch Fake thor are you taking about?

There's Clor, thunderstrike, that red headed thor, and heroes reborn Thor

Superbeast

12-23-2007, 12:21 AM

Witch Fake thor are you taking about?

There's Clor, thunderstrike, that red headed thor, and heroes reborn Thor

The one that's not dead and has been active in the 616 universe last two years. Add it up.

StoneGold

12-23-2007, 12:34 AM

The one that's not dead and has been active in the 616 universe last two years. Add it up.

By those rules, it'd only be Beta Ray Bill. Since he's the only one that isn't dead and has shown up recently.

XPac

12-23-2007, 10:40 AM

TotalWorldDomination

12-23-2007, 10:52 AM

I wonder who officially owns Clor anyways. He was made by Tony, Reed, and Hank. He was seemingly launched by SHIELD during his first appearance. But He's hanging around the Initiative these days.

I do think it's pretty much a given that somehow someway Marvel will set up a Clor/Thor fight. But I wonder who will be pulling the strings. Tony implied that it wasn't over between him and Thor... but sending Clor to duke it out with him would be pretty messed up.

Either way, I do wonder whether it would be that much of a fight unless he's upgraded (maybe by Loki or something). Hercules took down Clor pretty easily, so I can't imagine the real Thor having that much trouble with him.

I'd imagine that the reason that Clor went down so easily to Herc was that in there attempts to prevent Clor from killing again, Reed and Hank put severe limits on what Clor was allowed to do. Remember, he almost singlehandedly defeated the entire Pro-Reg side on his own, that included herc, before the blocks were fully in place.

As for whether or not it would be messed up to send Clor after Thor, it all depends on Thors next step. If he begins to blatantly violate US sovereignty or attack Initative approved heroes, Thor forces tony's hand to release the only weapon they have that could beat him (AND is not serving on the mighty avengers).

You make an interesting point on ownership. Is Clor property? I mean Ben Riley and the other Scarlet Spiders are all clones, would they be considered property?

TotalWorldDomination

12-23-2007, 10:56 AM

Are you sure those weren't just sketches of alternate costumes?

The only other picture I've seen of him are from the Wizard article where Leonard Kirk drew a roundtable of upcoming villains (Skrulls, Red Skull, Ragnarok, The Hood, Mandarin).

Hmmm... that might be it. In any case, it did say that he would be returning, as a Thor baddie with the name Ragnarok correct?

I'm POSITIVE I saw a Copeil sketch of him... I'll have to look, but I could be just combining the Kirk and Copeil art-icles together in my mind.

mikekerr3

12-23-2007, 12:04 PM

I'd imagine that the reason that Clor went down so easily to Herc was that in there attempts to prevent Clor from killing again, Reed and Hank put severe limits on what Clor was allowed to do. Remember, he almost singlehandedly defeated the entire Pro-Reg side on his own, that included herc, before the blocks were fully in place.

As for whether or not it would be messed up to send Clor after Thor, it all depends on Thors next step. If he begins to blatantly violate US sovereignty or attack Initative approved heroes, Thor forces tony's hand to release the only weapon they have that could beat him (AND is not serving on the mighty avengers).

You make an interesting point on ownership. Is Clor property? I mean Ben Riley and the other Scarlet Spiders are all clones, would they be considered property?

Clones could only be considered property if Twins are considered property. They are identical to the original and would have all the rights of the original.

I would like Clor to go after Thor, the smack down would be even more spectacular than the one Hercules gave him.

Camron Amaya

12-23-2007, 12:45 PM

Hercules smashed him with his own hammer, does anyone realisticly belive he'd give Thor any problems? lol

Monty_Cristo

12-23-2007, 02:00 PM

Hercules smashed him with his own hammer, does anyone realisticly belive he'd give Thor any problems? lol

a villain doesn't have to be as strong as the hero to be a threat. Ragnarok might only be interested in mass destruction or firing lightning bolts at innocent civilians. and what if he were unkillable? Hercules definately didn't send him to Valhalla.

Camron Amaya

12-23-2007, 02:14 PM

a villain doesn't have to be as strong as the hero to be a threat. Ragnarok might only be interested in mass destruction or firing lightning bolts at innocent civilians. and what if he were unkillable? Hercules definately didn't send him to Valhalla.

well all androids/robots are kind of unkillable as long as someone can rebuild them...

but im guess if he does make a return he'll probly have some sort of upgrade since last time

XPac

12-23-2007, 03:55 PM

a villain doesn't have to be as strong as the hero to be a threat. Ragnarok might only be interested in mass destruction or firing lightning bolts at innocent civilians. and what if he were unkillable? Hercules definately didn't send him to Valhalla.

If Tony, Reed, and Pyms little toy starts doing the things you're suggesting now, then I'm guessing Clor's butt won't be the only one kicked when all is said and done.

wonderman73

12-24-2007, 07:30 AM

Can anyone post the image of the "Ragnarock" character design(s)?:)

Thanks!

Push You Down

12-24-2007, 12:20 PM

I'd love if they put him in this awful Thor costume.
http://www.immortalthor.net/thorcostume-5.jpg

Camron Amaya

12-24-2007, 12:22 PM

Lol that costume was so much more fitting for someone from the X-Men or something, not Thor. Dayumn the 90's sucked.

Taskmaster

12-24-2007, 01:32 PM

Lol that costume was so much more fitting for someone from the X-Men or something, not Thor. Dayumn the 90's sucked.

Why does it look like his hammer is chained to his boot? lol

Camron Amaya

12-24-2007, 02:00 PM

Why does it look like his hammer is chained to his boot? lol

Lmao it's a magic snake like chain! It coils around it's masters leg sensing his arousal!

Castiglione

12-24-2007, 02:30 PM

I'd imagine that the reason that Clor went down so easily to Herc was that in there attempts to prevent Clor from killing again, Reed and Hank put severe limits on what Clor was allowed to do. Remember, he almost singlehandedly defeated the entire Pro-Reg side on his own, that included herc, before the blocks were fully in place.

As for whether or not it would be messed up to send Clor after Thor, it all depends on Thors next step. If he begins to blatantly violate US sovereignty or attack Initative approved heroes, Thor forces tony's hand to release the only weapon they have that could beat him (AND is not serving on the mighty avengers).

Something that needs to be remembered is in Thor #3 was that when Tony attacked Thor, with an air of "this is going to be easy", Thor shrugged off his attacks and thrashed the Director with little apparent effort.

When Tony elicited surprise at how strong Thor was, Thor said he wasn't holding back anymore. Thor's power can't be measured at the moment as he hasn't exactly been tested since his return, though the fight with the Destroyer is a good warm up.

Camron Amaya

12-24-2007, 03:25 PM

Something that needs to be remembered is in Thor #3 was that when Tony attacked Thor, with an air of "this is going to be easy", Thor shrugged off his attacks and thrashed the Director with little apparent effort.

When Tony elicited surprise at how strong Thor was, Thor said he wasn't holding back anymore. Thor's power can't be measured at the moment as he hasn't exactly been tested since his return, though the fight with the Destroyer is a good warm up.

Well Tony was never really a match to Thor. The only time he even stood a chance was with the Thorbuster armor powered by the Asgardian's own magic, and that didn't end too well for him.

Castiglione

12-24-2007, 04:07 PM

Well Tony was never really a match to Thor. The only time he even stood a chance was with the Thorbuster armor powered by the Asgardian's own magic, and that didn't end too well for him.

I never really began reading Thor until after the new series, though I did realize he was likely more powerful than Tony, though the manner in which Tony remarked off hand he'd "apologize to you (Thor) later" indicated to me he could best the Asgardian.

XPac

12-24-2007, 04:12 PM

I never really began reading Thor until after the new series, though I did realize he was likely more powerful than Tony, though the manner in which Tony remarked off hand he'd "apologize to you (Thor) later" indicated to me he could best the Asgardian.

Well, that's the problem... Tony is sometimes too arrogant for his own good.

In both his fight with She-Hulk and Thor, he made the mistake of believing he could easily beat the person. And he ended up getting pounded for it (though at least in the case of the She-Hulk fight he ends up winning with the spin tech).

dabig2

12-24-2007, 08:40 PM

Lol that costume was so much more fitting for someone from the X-Men or something, not Thor. Dayumn the 90's sucked.

It was the decade of "attitude".

Camron Amaya

12-24-2007, 08:56 PM

I never really began reading Thor until after the new series, though I did realize he was likely more powerful than Tony, though the manner in which Tony remarked off hand he'd "apologize to you (Thor) later" indicated to me he could best the Asgardian.

That was most likely for no other reason then to just make it all the more sweeter when he fails miserably. Thor is to the Avengers what Superman is to JLA. Power wise someone like Tony has no chance. Given enough time though he's definetly smart and resourcefull enough to cook something up.

bloodyarts

12-28-2007, 02:49 PM

Camron Amaya

12-28-2007, 03:20 PM

They may be equal in strength but they're nowhere near equal in power.

Drdmx

12-28-2007, 06:30 PM

TotalWorldDomination

12-28-2007, 07:06 PM

Good confirmation. I always wondered strength wise who was the man when it came to brute strength. Hercules/Thor being equal confirmation puts my top 3 in perspective when it comes to brute strength in the MU.

I would be more then happy with this because it would mean that Ares is as strong as Thor. And I want a Thor-Ares throwdown like theres no tommarow...

Camron Amaya

12-28-2007, 07:14 PM

I would be more then happy with this because it would mean that Ares is as strong as Thor. And I want a Thor-Ares throwdown like theres no tommarow...

Ares is much weaker physicly then Hercules.

Slevin Kelevra

01-15-2008, 02:18 PM

Beta ray did show up in Omega Flight ownly to end up stuck in some dimension with demons!

RodeoWearden

01-15-2008, 02:41 PM

I'd love if they put him in this awful Thor costume.
http://www.immortalthor.net/thorcostume-5.jpg

Now, the only time I can remember him wearing this was in the Marvel vs DC crossover. Did he wear it in Volume 1? I have all of volume two and cant find it anywhere.

Alan2099

01-15-2008, 03:35 PM

THor wore that costume in the Avengers.

Monty_Cristo

01-15-2008, 03:42 PM

did the Enchantress design it?

XPac

01-15-2008, 04:31 PM

It seems to me people are taking the attitude, "even Hercules beat Clor... Thor will mop the floor with him!" Hercules and Thor are equal in strength and skill, so I'm not sure where this underestimation of Hercules comes from.

Here's hoping The Incredible Herc puts the Olympian in a more respectable light.

If we're talking an arm wrestling match then yes, Thor and Hercules are comparative equal. But if we're talking about a real fight, they're really not equal.

We all know that Thor can do a million different things that Hercules can't do. Hercules beating Clor would basically be the equivalent of Thor fighting Clor without his hammer, lightning, or any Asgardian magic. It's figuratively Thor fighting with one arm tied behind his back.

XPac

01-15-2008, 04:34 PM

I would be more then happy with this because it would mean that Ares is as strong as Thor. And I want a Thor-Ares throwdown like theres no tommarow...

Both Thor and Herc leave Ares in the dust power wise, unless Bendis decides to power up Ares a bit (which wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea).

Ares is class 70... which is actually VERY strong for a god. Zeus and Hercules are probably the only 2 stronger than him on the Greek side. But he's not top tier.

Kefky

01-15-2008, 04:34 PM

mikekerr3

01-15-2008, 05:03 PM

I'd imagine that the reason that Clor went down so easily to Herc was that in there attempts to prevent Clor from killing again, Reed and Hank put severe limits on what Clor was allowed to do. Remember, he almost singlehandedly defeated the entire Pro-Reg side on his own, that included herc, before the blocks were fully in place.

As for whether or not it would be messed up to send Clor after Thor, it all depends on Thors next step. If he begins to blatantly violate US sovereignty or attack Initative approved heroes, Thor forces tony's hand to release the only weapon they have that could beat him (AND is not serving on the mighty avengers).

You make an interesting point on ownership. Is Clor property? I mean Ben Riley and the other Scarlet Spiders are all clones, would they be considered property?

Not unless twins areproperty they are natures clones. Human DNA should equal human. The MU may have repealed the 14th Amendment along with the Bill of Rights during the civil war though.

If they are property Lincoln died in vain

chicagokmc

01-16-2008, 09:52 AM

Not unless twins areproperty they are natures clones. Human DNA should equal human. The MU may have repealed the 14th Amendment along with the Bill of Rights during the civil war though.

If they are property Lincoln died in vain

??

Don't understand this logic. Twins that are born naturally are not property. Even if human DNA is used, if something with that DNA is created by man, I'm not so sure it wouldn't be property. We don't have anything to go on in the real world, because to this point we've only cloned sheep. And I'm sure Lincoln was taking into account that one day man would have the ability to create man-like beings.

For purposes of Clor, he was created as a weapon. It was from Thor's DNA, but he was nothing more than a very advanced robot. To me, that's easily defineable as property.

Exo

01-16-2008, 01:11 PM

Well, that's the problem... Tony is sometimes too arrogant for his own good.

More like an idiot. You don't attack Thor without the muscle to back it up and Ironman wasn't packing any. The only time Ironman would ever be considered in Thor's league was the time he used that enchanted armor and even then he got beat up badly.

Tony can't beat Thor in a fair match and he should know this by now (he has the wounds to prove it). Yet he still approached Thor alone without so much as a plan (that's so unlike Tony). With being the director of the greatest agency on Earth, you'd think he'd atleast, leave the option to call for some well needed backup on the table? Instead he threaten Thor, got beat up (again) and was forced to walk home which by itself is ridiculous given his current standing. These are the signs of an idiot. And Tony is definitely not an idiot. Chalk it up as yet another poorly thoughout plotpoint by JMS.

But who cares about the little details? Atleast the readers got a kick out of seeing Ironman geting beat up right?

In both his fight with She-Hulk and Thor, he made the mistake of believing he could easily beat the person. And he ended up getting pounded for it (though at least in the case of the She-Hulk fight he ends up winning with the spin tech).

He did knock She-Hulk unconscious with a single punch to the jaw in Avengers:Disassembled, but one might argue she wasn't exactly herself at the time. Still I don't think She-Hulk is in Ironman's league. She's got muscle but that's it.´

And Herc looked pretty roughed up during his skirmish with Clor so I wouldn't call in an "easy win". Atleast not Thor-beating-up-Ironman easy.

Shyft

01-16-2008, 01:33 PM

More like an idiot. You don't attack Thor without the muscle to back it up and Ironman wasn't packing any. The only time Ironman would ever be considered in Thor's league was the time he used that enchanted armor and even then he got beat up badly.

Tony can't beat Thor in a fair match and he should know this by now (he has the wounds to prove it). Yet he still approached Thor alone without so much as a plan (that's so unlike Tony). With being the director of the greatest agency on Earth, you'd think he'd atleast, leave the option to call for some well needed backup on the table? Instead he threaten Thor, got beat up (again) and was forced to walk home which by itself is ridiculous given his current standing. These are the signs of an idiot. And Tony is definitely not an idiot. Chalk it up as yet another poorly thoughout plotpoint by JMS.

Why would he go packing heat? He probably thought stern words would be said, but i doubt he would have considered Thor would attack him.

Also, as you've pointed out, Thor is POWERFUL. Would Ironman REALLY have wanted to start a new War with Thor? Would he even have wanted to humiliate him? Id say Considering Thor's standing within the MU, compared to Tony's popularity at the time, turning up at Asgard with a troop of registered tools and SHIELD Cape Killers to batter and be-little the God of Thunder would hardly have gone down well. Also the fact that Iron Man EXPLICITLY says that he isnt actually too worried about THor for now, and heavily implies he knows what to do should it come to a true scrap.

But who cares about the little details? Atleast the readers got a kick out of seeing Ironman geting beat up right?

I know right? I mean gosh, its almost as if he was trying to ENTERTAIN the readers who'd been wanting to see that for quite some time! what an ass.

And Herc looked pretty roughed up during his skirmish with Clor so I wouldn't call in an "easy win". Atleast not Thor-beating-up-Ironman easy.

i dont think there was actually a Skirmish, Hercules had been off fighting other people, Storm did most of the battling with Clor in the pages of Black Panther. Then Hercules wandered over and smashed his head open.

Shyft

01-16-2008, 01:47 PM

If we're talking an arm wrestling match then yes, Thor and Hercules are comparative equal. But if we're talking about a real fight, they're really not equal.

We all know that Thor can do a million different things that Hercules can't do. Hercules beating Clor would basically be the equivalent of Thor fighting Clor without his hammer, lightning, or any Asgardian magic. It's figuratively Thor fighting with one arm tied behind his back.

Marvel could SO easily up Hercules' power. In his myth he had the nemean Lion cloak, which was impenetrable, poison from the Hydra, which he frequently dipped his arrows in to good effect.We also haven't seen his Golden Mace, which was meant to be as tough as Mjolnir, in a while. Although all these things combined still wouldnt give him the range of powers Thor does, it would certainly make him more godly.

XPac

01-16-2008, 03:15 PM

Marvel could SO easily up Hercules' power. In his myth he had the nemean Lion cloak, which was impenetrable, poison from the Hydra, which he frequently dipped his arrows in to good effect.We also haven't seen his Golden Mace, which was meant to be as tough as Mjolnir, in a while. Although all these things combined still wouldnt give him the range of powers Thor does, it would certainly make him more godly.

While it's true Herc can be upgraded, I think he's fine the way he is.

Having Thor level strength is enough to deal with any non-cosmic threat, so there's no pressing need for him to be upgraded.

It's less an issue that Herc isn't powerful enough, and really more an issue that Thor is often TOO powerful.

If they need to, they can focus more on his mace and maybe give him arrows... but that's about all he needs.

IRONY...

01-16-2008, 03:19 PM

he is waiting to get a round house kick in the face by the original one...

with respect to Chuck Norris...:cool:

XPac

01-16-2008, 03:22 PM

More like an idiot. You don't attack Thor without the muscle to back it up and Ironman wasn't packing any. The only time Ironman would ever be considered in Thor's league was the time he used that enchanted armor and even then he got beat up badly.

Tony can't beat Thor in a fair match and he should know this by now (he has the wounds to prove it). Yet he still approached Thor alone without so much as a plan (that's so unlike Tony). With being the director of the greatest agency on Earth, you'd think he'd atleast, leave the option to call for some well needed backup on the table? Instead he threaten Thor, got beat up (again) and was forced to walk home which by itself is ridiculous given his current standing. These are the signs of an idiot. And Tony is definitely not an idiot. Chalk it up as yet another poorly thoughout plotpoint by JMS.

But who cares about the little details? Atleast the readers got a kick out of seeing Ironman geting beat up right?

He did knock She-Hulk unconscious with a single punch to the jaw in Avengers:Disassembled, but one might argue she wasn't exactly herself at the time. Still I don't think She-Hulk is in Ironman's league. She's got muscle but that's it.´

And Herc looked pretty roughed up during his skirmish with Clor so I wouldn't call in an "easy win". Atleast not Thor-beating-up-Ironman easy.

Tony didn't think She-Hulk was in Iron Man's league either... that was the problem.

I agree... Tony was acting like an idiot. I'm not sure I agree that's so unlike Tony though. He's made it a habit of underestimating the heroes he's facing... likewise he's shown a strong desire to do as much as possible alone so as not to place others in danger. And the results often speak for itself... we saw in in Thor, we saw it in Spider-Man, and though he beat She-Hulk we saw a bit of that there too.

I won't start with the notion of whether he's an idiot or not... getting into depth about the stupid things Stark has done lately would be a tad time consuming.

As for Clor and Herc... I don't think he had that much trouble. From the BP CW tie-in Storm and Sue basically stood back and enjoyed the show. It seemed like a one sided squash from their perspective.

chicagokmc

01-16-2008, 03:23 PM

While it's true Herc can be upgraded, I think he's fine the way he is.

Having Thor level strength is enough to deal with any non-cosmic threat, so there's no pressing need for him to be upgraded.

It's less an issue that Herc isn't powerful enough, and really more an issue that Thor is often TOO powerful.

If they need to, they can focus more on his mace and maybe give him arrows... but that's about all he needs.

The problem with Herc, to me, is that the power downs that kept occurring in the 90's. To me, Herc was fine the way he was in the 80's. In the 90's, they kept doing things like taking away his immortality, etc. Next thing you know he's being easily taken out by people like wolverine and iron man and that didn't make a lot of sense to me.

And yes, I think they should do more with his adamantine mace (arrows would be cool too but i'm ok with limiting the arrow shooters in the marvel universe)

Monty_Cristo

01-16-2008, 03:36 PM

he is waiting to get a round house kick in the face by the original one...

with respect to Chuck Norris...:cool:

which wakes me wonder why the pro-registration side didn't clone Chuck Norris?

XPac

01-16-2008, 03:40 PM

which wakes me wonder why the pro-registration side didn't clone Chuck Norris?

I don't think they'd want to be on the bad side of both Thor AND Chuck Norris.

mikekerr3

01-16-2008, 03:45 PM

which wakes me wonder why the pro-registration side didn't clone Chuck Norris?

The same reason they didn't register Strange, the Eternals and and Thor, They ain't that stupid. The are like most bullies and ony fight when they think thay can win.

Monty_Cristo

01-16-2008, 03:50 PM

The same reason they didn't register Strange, the Eternals and and Thor, They ain't that stupid. The are like most bullies and ony fight when they think thay can win.

they could have offered him the Captain America position. or...let him rename it 'Captain Chuckmerica.'

Exo

01-17-2008, 10:52 AM

Why would he go packing heat? He probably thought stern words would be said, but i doubt he would have considered Thor would attack him.

You seem to forget that Ironman gave Thor an ultimatum: sign the papers or we'll bring you and your whole castle down. Given the controversial events that had lead them there, a whole community split in two over a piece of paper, you honestly think that for once everything would go in his favor? More importantly, do you think Tony could still be so naive to believe nothing could go wrong this time?

I've come to learn and respect Ironman as someone who would never go into an argument unprepared. A man who, to the best of his abilities, will try to stay one step ahead of the next guy just for the hell of it. It's not in his nature to put his complete trust in others. In this time and place however, it's as if he was begging for a beating. IMO it's out of his character which brings us to:

I know right? I mean gosh, its almost as if he was trying to ENTERTAIN the readers who'd been wanting to see that for quite some time! what an ass.

I'm all for a superhero brawl especially this one as it was expected long before #3 even hit the stands. But not a forced one. JMS wrote Tony not only into a position where he'd push all of the right buttons, but also be receiving maximum humiliation for it (forced to walk home with his tail between the legs). If not for JMS opinion against SHRA and Ironman, I'd almost believe parts of #3 was squarely fanservice (a demand for Tony's a** on platter). But he does have an opinion against registration which highlights todays lesson: Writers write whatever they want to and not necessarly what readers want. It just so happens that 9 out 10 times, the readers are on the same page with the writer and the story is not only acceptable but entertaining. JMS doesn't like Tony so you don't have to be a rocket scientist to put 2 and 2 together to know how the outcome will look like.

What bothers me is that people will try to rationalize Tony's behaviour in #3. Claiming that arrogance or whatever got the better of Tony "Mr.Futurist" Stark and that he never saw a beating coming with the way he was handling the situation. Oh please. :rolleyes:

I ask of Marvel that this event be stricken from the records along with Peter's (successful) marriage.

i dont think there was actually a Skirmish, Hercules had been off fighting other people, Storm did most of the battling with Clor in the pages of Black Panther. Then Hercules wandered over and smashed his head open.

So it was Clor vs Storm with Hercules cementing the victory in the end?

XPac

01-17-2008, 11:04 AM

What bothers me is that people will try to rationalize Tony's behaviour in #3.

Yeah... it is frustrating listening to people try and rationalize Tony's stupid behavior. I've been doing that for the past few years.

Exo

01-17-2008, 11:12 AM

Yeah... it is frustrating listening to people try and rationalize Tony's stupid behavior.

Really the only sound explanation was that, subconsciously, Tony wanted to get smacked around by Thor. There's no better explanation for him to walk into certain defeat like that IMO.

XPac

01-17-2008, 11:16 AM

Really the only sound explanation was that, subconsciously, Tony wanted to get smacked around by Thor. There's no better explanation for him to walk into certain defeat like that IMO.

I don't deny that isn't a possibility.

Then again one can argue Spidey tackling Iron Man is basically the equivalent of walking into certain defeat too... with the exception of the fact that he wasn't defeated.

Heroes walk into situation of certain defeat all the time. I guess they understandably get a bit confident in those situations since they usually don't end up getting defeated. I guess no one told Tony that it doesn't work against other heroes.

Exo

01-17-2008, 11:25 AM

Heroes walk into situation of certain defeat all the time. I guess they understandably get a bit confident in those situations since they usually don't end up getting defeated. I guess no one told Tony that it doesn't work against other heroes.

Sure for every hostile situation that progressed one way, in a superheroes career, you could probably name another one that went the other way. I just want the writers to take more into concideration when writing their stories. Tony brought in the entire agency when he faced Nova. You'd think he'd atleast notify his subdirector about his whereabouts incase the situation with Thor turned sour.

XPac

01-17-2008, 11:32 AM

Sure for every hostile situation that progressed one way, in a superheroes career, you could probably name another one that went the other way. I just want the writers to take more into concideration when writing their stories. Tony brought in the entire agency when he faced Nova. You'd think he'd atleast notify his subdirector about his whereabouts incase the situation with Thor turned sour.

I would guess Tony didn't want SHIELD agents around BECAUSE the situation might get sour.

That's kind of how Tony runs things... he does as much as possible himself (which I agree is a stupid way of running SHIELD).

Exo

01-17-2008, 11:37 AM

I would guess Tony didn't want SHIELD agents around BECAUSE the situation might get sour.

That's kind of how Tony runs things... he does as much as possible himself (which I agree is a stupid way of running SHIELD).

Sure, Tony sees to it that he's the first one out there on the field. But this whole thing was an embarrassment especially when it's Tony we're talking about. I hope the walk home sobered him up.

Superbeast

01-17-2008, 07:57 PM

Sure, Tony sees to it that he's the first one out there on the field. But this whole thing was an embarrassment especially when it's Tony we're talking about. I hope the walk home sobered him up.

I would have imagined he at least used a phone at a diner or a telephone box and got picked up a few miles down the road.

Exo

01-18-2008, 01:28 PM

I would have imagined he at least used a phone at a diner or a telephone box and got picked up a few miles down the road.

Actually he could have contacted SHIELD, by satellite or what have you, at any point. He doesn't need the armor to use technology. Hell, he could have called in his spare armor and continued the fight. Tony's not just a man in a tin suit anymore. But JMS had to leave these "minor" details in order for the story to pan out the way it did and to humiliate Tony. Of course most readers probably got a kick out of imagining Tony walking all the way from New Orleans to wherever the helicarrier was located at the time. But I didn't. :(