Quick Question: Incredible Herc...?

[Shypsi-Prime]

I don't follow The Hulk so I ask this...

Why has the title changed from Incredible Hulk to Incredible Herc?

And should I read it?

Thanks in advance.:D

[StoneGold]

Because they felt like it. And if you like Hercules or Fred Van Lente, then yes. What, you need other people to tell you what to read?

[Laughing Mask]

oh i hate hercules.............

[Zero Hunter]

Since the Hulk is locked up now after the crap ending to World War Hulk they needed someone to star in the book. Since Herc has been part of the Hulk book for the last few months they switched it over to his book now. I like Hercules alot and the first issue was pretty good so I plan on sticking with it. It looks like there is going to be some very cool guest stars in this book too. Just in the first issue you get SHIELD and the Mighty Avengers.

[Tobias Drake]

If you like Herc, you'll like it. If you like seeing S.H.I.E.L.D. humiliated, you'll like it. If you like Amadeus Cho...I'm sure there's medication to help you deal with that. :p

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Hulk is headlining a new series, and this is a fun way of keeping his old title in play while not competing with that. Or some other reason. Hell, I dunno. StoneGold's right, they probably just felt like it.

In any case, try the book. If you like it, great. If you don't, well, now you know.

[mikekerr3]

If you like Herc, you'll like it. If you like seeing S.H.I.E.L.D. humiliated, you'll like it. If you like Amadeus Cho...I'm sure there's medication to help you deal with that. :p

I like Herc, Love seeing Shield humiliated, Love Cho and don't see any need for medication.

[Zero Hunter]

Hulk is headlining a new series, and this is a fun way of keeping his old title in play while not competing with that. Or some other reason. Hell, I dunno. StoneGold's right, they probably just felt like it.

In any case, try the book. If you like it, great. If you don't, well, now you know.

No. Hulk is not headlining a new series. Some crap concept the Loeb came up with calling itself the Hulk is. Hell I doubt it is even Banner as the Hulk anymore from the way it sounds.

[TotalWorldDomination]

If you like Herc, you'll like it. If you like seeing S.H.I.E.L.D. humiliated, you'll like it. If you like Amadeus Cho...I'm sure there's medication to help you deal with that. :p

Who are you kidding Tobias? There are no medications strong enough to deal with fans of Amadeus Cho. ;)

I actually liked the first issue, Primarily because I love Ares. I know it's not gonna happen but I'm rooting for the GoW to lay a hearty smack-down on on his half-brother. After all, Herc is only a demi-god... Ares is a god.:D

[TotalWorldDomination]

No. Hulk is not headlining a new series. Some crap concept the Loeb came up with calling itself the Hulk is. Hell I doubt it is even Banner as the Hulk anymore from the way it sounds.

A Hulk is headlining a new series, not the Bruce Banner hulk. Just because it's not Banner-Hulk dosn't mean it's not a Hulk book. That would be like saying that only Hank Pym can be Ant Man and I'm sure Monty_Cristo is around here somewhere to argue against that ;)

Long story short, the recent back-up cast in Incredible hulk is going to be sticking around without the main character. So Marvel has decided to re-name it since classic green banner-hulk is under sedation below gamma base right now.

[Tobias Drake]

Long story short, the recent back-up cast in Incredible hulk is going to be sticking around without the main character.

I can't help but think that Brubaker's success on Captain America has helped to inspire this.

[Zero Hunter]

I can't help but think that Brubaker's success on Captain America has helped to inspire this.

The bad thing is Brubaker is a very talented writer who works well on main univerese books. Loeb is a hack who pretty much ignores whatever doesn't fit in with whatever book he is writing.

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The bad thing is Brubaker is a very talented writer who works well on main univerese books. Loeb is a hack who pretty much ignores whatever doesn't fit in with whatever book he is writing.And Loeb isn't writing INCREDIBLE HERCULES.

[Sabaition]

Who are you kidding Tobias? There are no medications strong enough to deal with fans of Amadeus Cho. ;)

I actually liked the first issue, Primarily because I love Ares. I know it's not gonna happen but I'm rooting for the GoW to lay a hearty smack-down on on his half-brother. After all, Herc is only a demi-god... Ares is a god.:D

I know this could start an arguement BUT... For the future Hercules is a GOD not a demi god. In his Mortal form he's a demi god. His mortallity ended when his wife caused his death. So Herc IS a god also, unless his dad strips him of his immortallity which he did once...

An the GoW, is his Sh&! House B!%@&, he's bout to remind Ares why HE'S Zeus's favorite son. An judging from the magic looking bullets he pulls out in a panal for the next issue, he knows he cant take the strongest of the Olympians and MASTER OF PANKRASIAN WRESTLING!!!

Personally, Ares as a "Good Guy" has always made me get alil weak Black Adam ala JSA vibe.

[jhota]

A Hulk is headlining a new series, not the Bruce Banner hulk. Just because it's not Banner-Hulk dosn't mean it's not a Hulk book. That would be like saying that only Hank Pym can be Ant Man and I'm sure Monty_Cristo is around here somewhere to argue against that ;)

Long story short, the recent back-up cast in Incredible hulk is going to be sticking around without the main character. So Marvel has decided to re-name it since classic green banner-hulk is under sedation below gamma base right now.

i'd say that Banner-Hulk is the only true Hulk (ignoring Jen for the moment), since the Hulk is the physical embodiment of Banner's rage. the fact that anger manifests as the Hulk is a function of Banner's psyche, not an anger == Hulk equation.

i'd think in a "real" MU, anyone undergoing a similar rage-based transformation would become a different form - drawn from their own unconscious mind.

of course, we haven't found out the backstory on red Hulk yet - if, like Jen, his powers come from Banner's genetic material, i'll give it the benefit of the doubt. if it's a separate transformation? blech.

[TotalWorldDomination]

I know this could start an arguement BUT... For the future Hercules is a GOD not a demi god. In his Mortal form he's a demi god. His mortallity ended when his wife caused his death. So Herc IS a god also, unless his dad strips him of his immortallity which he did once...

An the GoW, is his Sh&! House B!%@&, he's bout to remind Ares why HE'S Zeus's favorite son. An judging from the magic looking bullets he pulls out in a panal for the next issue, he knows he cant take the strongest of the Olympians and MASTER OF PANKRASIAN WRESTLING!!!

Personally, Ares as a "Good Guy" has always made me get alil weak Black Adam ala JSA vibe.

I know he's a full god in the original mythology, but is he considered one in the Comics?

In any case he's not one of the Dodekatheon- still giving Ares a leg up. Ares was born a god and is still considered a "main" god, whereas Herc is tertiary at best. He, Nike and Eros can go play while the big gods go do something important ;)

And who didn't like Black Adam in JSA? That was awesome.

[Sabaition]

I know he's a full god in the original mythology, but is he considered one in the Comics?

In any case he's not one of the Dodekatheon- still giving Ares a leg up. Ares was born a god and is still considered a "main" god, whereas Herc is tertiary at best. He, Nike and Eros can go play while the big gods go do something important ;)

And who didn't like Black Adam in JSA? That was awesome.

Proble just me, but I like my Black Adam arrogent, angry and ripping people to bits. Like he is now. With no one calming him down...

Herc is considered a full god. Although I've never seen him use any magic like the other main gods. But other than Ares, none of the "Main" gods really want to face Hercules in a fight. While Ares and Athena are the only two (not counting Zeus) that have the fighting skills to face Herc. They can't match him in brute physical strength. Hercules is the God of Strength after he dies. Aka, Marvel calling him the Prince of Power...

An when push comes to shove. Hercules has saved the other Oyimpians on more then one occasion including Ares. Proble why Zeus picks him as their future leader. Hercules is the only Mortal born of a god whose power was actually on par or stronger when compared to the other "true gods". Bottem line though is that in their entire history, Hercules has owned Ares in battle.

[Cthulhudrew]

I know he's a full god in the original mythology, but is he considered one in the Comics?

Yes. Like Sabaiton pointed out, he was stripped of his godhood on at least one occasion (the one I can think of offhand was during Harras' Avengers), but he currently has his entire godhood (and godly strength) to call on.

[Cthulhudrew]

Herc is considered a full god. Although I've never seen him use any magic like the other main gods.

I don't think I've ever seen Ares use any powers other than his strength/invulnerability either (same with Athena), though I could be mistaken.

[Will.S]

I don't think I've ever seen Ares use any powers other than his strength/invulnerability either (same with Athena), though I could be mistaken.
Yeah although I'm wondering how he created those Stygian birds.

[magmer]

Yeah although I'm wondering how he created those Stygian birds.

It may be better that we don't know.

[marshal99]

I don't think I've ever seen Ares use any powers other than his strength/invulnerability either (same with Athena), though I could be mistaken.

Ares did once easily possessed the physical body of Erik Masterton Thor and use him to lay the smackdown on herc.

[Sabaition]

Another thing to pont out is much lik ehis Greek Myth counter story. Ares has GoW is a supreme tactition whenit comes to LARGE scale battle. His hand to hand is not actually part of his war skills. I know that makes no since in a way but it's like this...

Think of it like this, Ares could outplan Captain America BUT wouldn't win in a fist fight (skill wise not power and strength wise). That's how it is with Herc, he game plans well, but once they're face to face, Herc has the upper hand...

[Will.S]

Another thing to pont out is much lik ehis Greek Myth counter story. Ares has GoW is a supreme tactition whenit comes to LARGE scale battle. His hand to hand is not actually part of his war skills. I know that makes no since in a way but it's like this...

Think of it like this, Ares could outplan Captain America BUT wouldn't win in a fist fight (skill wise not power and strength wise). That's how it is with Herc, he game plans well, but once they're face to face, Herc has the upper hand...
I don't know about that, his Ares mini showed that he's pretty badass in battle too.

The thing with Hercules is that he plainly overpowers him although the stamina edge goes to Ares so he can just keep coming although he can still get knocked out. Looks like he'll have magic bullets to rain down on Herc though judging from the previews so he's still ever the tactician.

[DeadXMan]

Who are you kidding Tobias? There are no medications strong enough to deal with fans of Amadeus Cho. ;)


what if we lock them in a room with sentry and Sally fans and have them fight on who stays in MU?

[Sabaition]

I don't know about that, his Ares mini showed that he's pretty badass in battle too.

The thing with Hercules is that he plainly overpowers him although the stamina edge goes to Ares so he can just keep coming although he can still get knocked out. Looks like he'll have magic bullets to rain down on Herc though judging from the previews so he's still ever the tactician.


I'm not saying Ares can't fight. I'm saying that his overall fighting skills aren't on par with single combat masters like Cap or Herc. Remember how US agent is a bad ass fighter. Yet his fighting skills aren't considered as high as Cap's were. Same thing. Ares can fight, but not as well as Herc. If he could he woulda beat him by now dispite Herc being alil stronger. Which is why he battle plans for Hercules, but Herc just brute strengths himself out of anything he can't out fight in battle.