Thor #5 *Preview Images*

[DaeJi]

Looking through scans_daily I happen upon these, color and worded images from Thor #5! Be prepared for some HUGE spoilers though. Huge, weird spoilers. Seriously, this will likely ruin the issue for you. Reframe from looking unless you seriously do not care about big surprizes. You have been warned:

http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/4639461.html

[Monty_Cristo]

i can't check that site at work. can you spoil me (through PM or otherwise)?

[Bulky Brent]

I'm tempted but I probably wont for the sake of not spoiling myself since the issue is shipping next week.

[DaeJi]

I'm tempted but I probably wont for the sake of not spoiling myself since the issue is shipping next week.

You are a stronger man/woman than I am.

[Brian M.]

I've never followed Thor until now...but even I'm a little irked by this and I usually don't give a crap at the changes they make.

So Loki is a woman now...

[DaeJi]

I've never followed Thor until now...but even I'm a little irked by this and I usually don't give a crap at the changes they make.

So Loki is a woman now...

I'll be the first to say it... Loki is hot.

[Brian M.]

I'll be the first to say it... Loki is hot.

MILF!!!!!!

[InsaneGame]

Edit: im a retard... got it to work -_-

[Monty_Cristo]

that succcckkkkkkkkkksssssssssss!!!!!!!

[XPac]

Hmmm... I don't know.

The visual was fairly easy on the eyes... no complaints there.

But beyond that, I'm not sure about the change itself. Didn't hate it... but it was very different.

[Monty_Cristo]

if it ain't broke, why give it boobs?

[DaeJi]

if it ain't broke, why give it boobs?

Everything is better with boobs. E V E R Y T H I N G. Except fat guys.

[Clea]

I think this is hilarious. Truly! I may start buying this book now.

[Maestro]

I don't think THOR is the title that should be including transgender characters

[DaeJi]

I don't think THOR is the title that should be including transgender characters

Why not? In mythology people and gods were always switching genders and species, it's all par for course.

[PaxHouse]

Why not? In mythology people and gods were always switching genders and species, it's all par for course.

Too true......although it'll be pretty ironic if Thor has to start calling Loki his sister now.....

[Trey]

Why not? In mythology people and gods were always switching genders and species, it's all par for course.

Absolutely. If this has a good story its all good. And its fairly easy to change if the readers are really not digging it. Loki is a master shape-shifter.

Still, I wish it was the Loki that I love. But, I guess if its a rebirth, theres always a 50% chance of boy/girl. :cool:

Now if Thor came back as a hot Asgardian chick? That would be way cooler/more interesting.

[Monty_Cristo]

Why not? In mythology people and gods were always switching genders and species, it's all par for course.

so you want a male Enchantress?

[CMBMOOL]

So...uhh..wow this is a bit of a shocker if it's permant. :(

But anyway I must say that Now Loki can be the manlipulative person that he was born to be. :D

[Trey]

We have Clor, Claw Force, SHe-tron, etc. I propose:

LOKINA

[Monty_Cristo]

We have Clor, Claw Force, SHe-tron, etc. I propose:

LOKINA

how about LOKISHA (pronounced 'low-keesha')?

[Bricolo]

This reminds me of a Captain Ameica story where some crazy woman almost made Cap a woman and had plans to do so to the whole world. Perhaps this is a foreshadowing of the next big Marvel crossover.

[Brian M.]

Shoki????????

And it's not Claw Force, it's Lupine Avengers.

[twilight]

Lo-She?

I'll save judgement until I actually read it and see where JMS is going with it.

If we get good stories out of it I couldn't care less.

-Twi

[Jackob]

well i cant wait for the girl red skull
or the girl Doom

we already have Ultrany

but to be fair wasnt thor a girl for a while?

[StoneGold]

Just proves to show, never trust a woman.


Seriously though, Loki's been a woman before. And I'm talking in mythology. It's how he killed Baldur to bring about Ragnarok. Hell, he's a mother. Turned himself into a mare to distract a giant's horse so it would build walls around Asgard, and later gave birth to Sleipnir, Odin's eight-legged horse. So Loki is all about the having a vagina.

[StoneGold]

but to be fair wasnt thor a girl for a while?

Just in the Earth X series. He was a frog for a while, though. And in myth, he did get the guy to crossdress a few times. But seriously, Loki gave birth to a horse. That makes Supergirl look positively normal in comparison.

[BYC]

...

Does this end in sex?

[Jackob]

...

Does this end in sex?

bow chika bow gross

[Monty_Cristo]

Just proves to show, never trust a woman.


Seriously though, Loki's been a woman before. And I'm talking in mythology. It's how he killed Baldur to bring about Ragnarok. Hell, he's a mother. Turned himself into a mare to distract a giant's horse so it would build walls around Asgard, and later gave birth to Sleipnir, Odin's eight-legged horse. So Loki is all about the having a vagina.

norse mythology sucks.

[Kefky]

Hehehe... Big-breasted female Loki....

[Tobias Drake]

Now what'll be really funny is if, by extension, Lady Sif is now a man. Wackiness ensues.

[Camron Amaya]

lmao oh my god i swear i thought of this before and said it as a joke....

can't wait to read the whole thing

[Will.S]

I'm loving it all baby!

Well the Loki thing is still pretty weird but huzzah!

[Clea]

...

Does this end in sex?

I doubt Marvel is that brave. :p

[mosdef]

1st Ultron, now Loki.

[steve2275]

http://comics.ign.com/articles/842/842814p1.html
some pages i find funny

[Kefky]

1st Ultron, now Loki.

Watch out, Kang, you're next!

[DaeJi]

http://comics.ign.com/articles/842/842814p1.html
some pages i find funny

The people of dirt nowhere Oklahoma just became my favorite supporting cast members. First Lokshe, and now Thor has a mailbox. AWESOME.

[PatchMadripoor]

Did anyone pick up on the Balder comments?

**SPOILERS**












did it signify that he now stands opposed to Thor for destroying Asgard?

[DDM]

I think Marvel is messing with something that does not need to be fixed. Loki is Thor's half-brother. Loki, as a woman, well, I just can't take him seriously.

[DaeJi]

I think Marvel is messing with something that does not need to be fixed. Loki is Thor's half-brother. Loki, as a woman, well, I just can't take him seriously.

Well, Loki's speech seems to inducate that she wants to go straight. Personally, I would love to have her as an ally to Thor, and someone else be his main enemy. Someone like... Odin.

[Monty_Cristo]

Well, Loki's speech seems to inducate that she wants to go straight. Personally, I would love to have her as an ally to Thor, and someone else be his main enemy. Someone like... Odin.

wow, i hope you didn't really fall for that line about going straight. Loki should always be his #1 villain. what you're talking about won't work. it'd be like ignoring that Red Skull was Captain America's archenemy.

Did anyone pick up on the Balder comments?

**SPOILERS**


did it signify that he now stands opposed to Thor for destroying Asgard?

i read that as Loki's comments.

Watch out, Kang, you're next!

didn't Mephisto show up as a little girl, as well? it's the season of sex changes.

[DaeJi]

wow, i hope you didn't really fall for that line about going straight. Loki should always be his #1 villain. what you're talking about won't work. it'd be like ignoring that Red Skull was Captain America's archenemy.

Exactly. Loki is a liar, a bastard to his core and has always been Thor's #1 foe. Which is why I would love to see her actually being straight this time. It's actually more unexpected and daring than just the same old Loki. I mean, after all Lokshe is clearly not the man she used to be.

[Camron Amaya]

I mean, after all Lokshe is clearly not the man she used to be.


Bravo sir.

[Monty_Cristo]

Exactly. Loki is a liar, a bastard to his core and has always been Thor's #1 foe. Which is why I would love to see her actually being straight this time. It's actually more unexpected and daring than just the same old Loki. I mean, after all Lokshe is clearly not the man she used to be.

possibly. but the thing with "gods" is that they are creatures of habit. Thor has no choice but to be noble. and Loki has no choice but to be mischievous, imo. it's in their nature. my speculation is that Loki being an attractive woman is just another layer of deception (who better to pull his strings?).

[DaeJi]

possibly. but the thing with "gods" is that they are creatures of habit. Thor has no choice but to be noble. and Loki has no choice but to be mischievous, imo. it's in their nature. my speculation is that Loki being an attractive woman is just another layer of deception (who better to pull his strings?).

But look at what Loki says. The cycle of Ragnarok is broken. The entire fate of the Norse gods has been altered. They are now free, in a way that they weren't before. This time, prehaps the gods can change. I would like to see them break away from past traditions, and forge anew.

[Monty_Cristo]

But look at what Loki says. The cycle of Ragnarok is broken. The entire fate of the Norse gods has been altered. They are now free, in a way that they weren't before. This time, prehaps the gods can change. I would like to see them break away from past traditions, and forge anew.

i understood that part. what i'm saying is that Loki really has no choice but to lie. and, right now, she's doing her best to persuade Thor not to just kill her. she's presenting herself as harmless and willing to change; to play upon Thor's weaknesses. Loki reforming is as realistic as Mephisto reforming, in my book. don't fall for it. or just ride it out and be really really shocked when all of the badness in Thor's life is revealed to be part of Loki's plan. i can't wait for her to send Ragnarok (Clor) after her brother.

[Tyler]

wow, i hope you didn't really fall for that line about going straight. Loki should always be his #1 villain. what you're talking about won't work. it'd be like ignoring that Red Skull was Captain America's archenemy.

Aye, Loki is and always has been a scheming duplicitous swine, now just happens to be a fairly gorgeous one too. And I expect the crafty one to use her new found charms to her advantage, winning over sceptical Asgardians whilst plotting for power. (a la Morgan le Fey at Camelot, though hopefully without the incest). New body, same old spirit.

Now hurry up Thor, find Executioner. Enchantress and Valkyrie and let's get this show rolling.

Rather a small mailbox for a floating city isn't it?

[Castiglione]

Rather a small mailbox for a floating city isn't it?

Asgard; population; 5...6 now..no wait, 7.

As I've only just started reading Thor I can't really make an informed guess as to who it might be, though I do know that Thor thought it was Sif and it was in fact tranny Loki, so it could actually be Odin (for some reason) as he is a noted shape shifter in the Norse mythos.

[Tobias Drake]

(a la Morgan le Fey at Camelot, though hopefully without the incest)

Not even a liiittle incest? C'mon, it'll be fun! :D

[DDM]

Aye, Loki is and always has been a scheming duplicitous swine, now just happens to be a fairly gorgeous one too. And I expect the crafty one to use her new found charms to her advantage, winning over sceptical Asgardians whilst plotting for power. (a la Morgan le Fey at Camelot, though hopefully without the incest). New body, same old spirit.

Now hurry up Thor, find Executioner. Enchantress and Valkyrie and let's get this show rolling.

Rather a small mailbox for a floating city isn't it?

Karnilla, Queen of the Norns, fulfills the role of femme fatale schemer who has even used Loki himself as her pawn. Heck, even the Enchantress can manipulate other characters to a degree, but she's not as cunning as Karnilla & Loki.

Loki, as a woman, is just an expression of what is wrong with Marvel.

[DDM]

Asgard; population; 5...6 now..no wait, 7.

As I've only just started reading Thor I can't really make an informed guess as to who it might be, though I do know that Thor thought it was Sif and it was in fact tranny Loki, so it could actually be Odin (for some reason) as he is a noted shape shifter in the Norse mythos.

Any Asgardian who wields powerful magicks can mystically alter their form at will. This includes Odin, the Enchantress, Lorelei, Loki...

Read all of Walter Simonson's Thor to learn more about Marvel's Asgard. This is how Thor should be written. Heck, even Dan Jurgens' Thor remains true to the character...

[Vegetarian Goat]

I think there's a lot of overreacting going on- i mean, i just don't see it as that big of a deal. Maybe we'll get some good stories or character development out of it. I plan to wait it out, and see where it goes. Personally, i think it's kinda cool.

[DDM]

I think there's a lot of overreacting going on- i mean, i just don't see it as that big of a deal. Maybe we'll get some good stories or character development out of it. I plan to wait it out, and see where it goes. Personally, i think it's kinda cool.

Loki is Thor's half-brother. Where does it say Loki is Thor's half-sister? I think changing gender of a major villain is a big deal.

I believe Marvel is doing it for superficial shock value. Joe Quesada's like that. Superficial.

[DaeJi]

I still hope that Lokshe is going straight and one of the good, noble Asgardians turns evil. With Ragnarok no longer an issue for them, nows the time to mess with them and deter from the mythology.

[Vegetarian Goat]

Loki is Thor's half-brother. Where does it say Loki is Thor's half-sister? I think changing gender of a major villain is a big deal.

I believe Marvel is doing it for superficial shock value. Joe Quesada's like that. Superficial.

It said it right on that page in the preview of Thor #5. Everyone's been talking about it. I can't believe you missed it.

[StoneGold]

Loki is Thor's half-brother.

No. Adopted brother. Odin is not Loki's natural daddy, not even in Marvel lore. Laufrey is.

And I've said it before, I'll say it again, if Loki turning woman is a big deal, you've never actually read any of the original mythology. To quote Handy, "READ A BOOK!"

[Will.S]

http://comics.ign.com/articles/842/842814p1.html
some pages i find funny
*sigh*

It's so good.

[dswynne]

I read all the previews (I'm still stoked about getting Thor #5 ANYWAY), and noticed that Hemidall said that some of the Norse were "dying" or some such. Do you guys think that JMS has decided to get rid of the Enchantress, Lorilei and all the other fem fatale sorcerers as unnecessary duplicates, and rolling all that into one person: Loki? BTW, traditionally, a female version or daughter of a male Norse god has the -dis suffix? So a female Thor, or daughter of Thor would be called "Thordis", so it would stand to reason that the new Loki should be referred to as "Lokidis".

-De

[Will.S]

Any Asgardian who wields powerful magicks can mystically alter their form at will. This includes Odin, the Enchantress, Lorelei, Loki...
What would prevent a future writer to just say that Loki used the female form to mess with Thor?

Read all of Walter Simonson's Thor to learn more about Marvel's Asgard. This is how Thor should be written. Heck, even Dan Jurgens' Thor remains true to the character...
No, as much as I liked those runs I prefer not to read more of the same. Sure I'll re-read them and still enjoy them for they did and established with the Thor mythology but with new rules, things don't have to be exactly the same as they were nor should they be.

[Imperfect]

Man or woman, the art looks ugly. I'm not getting the trade no more.

[Tyler]

I think there's a lot of overreacting going on- i mean, i just don't see it as that big of a deal. Maybe we'll get some good stories or character development out of it. I plan to wait it out, and see where it goes. Personally, i think it's kinda cool.

That was my reaction, let's see what Straczynski's got planned. Whether it works or not will depend on the quality of the stories and the use he puts it to and I find it hard to judge that from two preview pages. Though I think you can already see Loki working the angle, implying his gender change is in some way symbolic of an inner change of spirit - 'I've returned as a woman, Ragnarok is over, I need a new role, fresh start etc.'

But we all have our favourites and I can understand how people waiting years for this return can get upset at the transformation though what's to say Loki hasn't pulled the switch himself and a few stories down the line, she'll revert to he and have a good laugh at gullible Asgardians?


But look at what Loki says. The cycle of Ragnarok is broken. The entire fate of the Norse gods has been altered. They are now free, in a way that they weren't before. This time, prehaps the gods can change. I would like to see them break away from past traditions, and forge anew.

Could be an interesting direction, I just think that while their destinies have changed, the individuals themselves are still cast in their roles and the trickster remains a trickster.


Loki is Thor's half-brother. Where does it say Loki is Thor's half-sister? I think changing gender of a major villain is a big deal.

I believe Marvel is doing it for superficial shock value. Joe Quesada's like that. Superficial.

Straczynski: Sorry to barge in on you, Joe, I'm struggling with this whole Thor gig. We need to bring Loki back, need something dramatic, high-impact. I'm reaching but I got nothing.

Quesada: No worries, I guessed you'd struggle. Lucky I had a spare minute to scribble you this.

Straczynski: Looks great, Joe. Hang on, that's Loki.. with boobs!

Quesada: Worked for Bendis.

Straczynski: Hell Yeah!

'Editorial mandate' seems the favourite scapegoat for any and all character change. Is it just too ridiculous a concept to credit this to the creative team, whether in praise or blame, or do they simply flesh out the plots delivered to them from on high?


I read all the previews (I'm still stoked about getting Thor #5 ANYWAY), and noticed that Hemidall said that some of the Norse were "dying" or some such. Do you guys think that JMS has decided to get rid of the Enchantress, Lorilei and all the other fem fatale sorcerers as unnecessary duplicates, and rolling all that into one person: Loki? BTW, traditionally, a female version or daughter of a male Norse god has the -dis suffix? So a female Thor, or daughter of Thor would be called "Thordis", so it would stand to reason that the new Loki should be referred to as "Lokidis".

-De


Vanishing, not dying, being collected from where Heimdall thought they should be. And from the preview pages it looks like Baldur's work, the protector of Asgard gathering their souls and wearing the Destroyer armour to safeguard them. I expect a repopulated Asgard by the end of next week's issue and one that hopefully includes Amora! I'm not so sure about Karnilla though, does the queen of the Norns qualify? I thought she was great femme fatale but is it Thor's concern to be ressurrecting the enemies of Asgard? Baldur would probably say yes.

[DaeJi]

Could be an interesting direction, I just think that while their destinies have changed, the individuals themselves are still cast in their roles and the trickster remains a trickster.

Does mean they have to be evil or a bad guy. And I personally love stories where characters do their best to be good despite the fact that their very being wants to be evil, just because being good is worth it. I say let Loki change.

[Camron Amaya]

Lol Every issue that's about to come out, the same people freak out and complain about stuff that doesn't make sense, probly cuz they just want to hate it and are looking for reasons.

Oh my God Loki changed form! How can I EVER read Thor now?

He doesn't have a penis anymore!

That's just not something I can deal with!

I'm done!

[Dracon]

Meh.

I grew up with the original stories. Loki as the trickster who would challenge Åsgårds view of gender, and was Odins brother and Thor uncle.

The whole "Thors step-brother" thing always jarred with me. Not as much as the simplification of the Lokes character down to a pure villain, but it still jarred.

Step in the right direction.

[Camron Amaya]

Meh.

I grew up with the original stories. Loki as the trickster who would challenge Åsgårds view of gender, and was Odins brother and Thor uncle.

The whole "Thors step-brother" thing always jarred with me. Not as much as the simplification of the Lokes character down to a pure villain, but it still jarred.

Step in the right direction.

Loki was the son of Giant's in the original mythology too. He was just Odin's Blood Brother later on and in that sense considered family.

[Dracon]

Yes, that is right. And he was a much more complicated character, who saved Åsgård more than once, and damned it in the end.

[Slyfer]

Yep I am getting this Coipel just amazes me to no end.

[Castiglione]

It's funny how a few people have been saying they dislike Coipel's depiction of Thor, especially highlighting his face, but I love it.

He took a corny looking Swedish rock star and turned him into something that resembles a godly warrior. Even though (to my eyes) his costume hasn't changed much I now love it whereas before I loathed it and was the reason I took no interest in picking up the Thor on-going.

Thor now has the practical build of a warrior/fighter with a broad character face and square cut mane as opposed to his old body-builder physique topped with a too thin male models head and accompanying hair.

[Exo]

Hehehe... Big-breasted female Loki....

On one hand:

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5929/01mc6.png

on the other:

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7290/02yg3.png

I want this book. :)

[Will.S]

On one hand:

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5929/01mc6.png

on the other:

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7290/02yg3.png

I want this book. :)
Heh, that's awesome.

[blackphoenix]

Wow, Marvel loves transgender characters, don't they? Remember Cloud, the male/female cloud/nebula thingy? I loved that character as a kid! Guess that should've been a hint to my parents about...that's another post! :evilsmile And remember Sasquatch's transformation into Wanda langowski?I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting, but there have been more!

[blackphoenix]

Oh my God Loki changed form! How can I EVER read Thor now?

He doesn't have a penis anymore!



Actually, you hardly miss it when it's gone....:evilsmile :p