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The Sword Is Drawn

12-19-2007, 06:33 AM

it amused me greatly when Whedon took this book on, and people were saying well at least there won't be delays now that he's not working with Cassady... :D Ryan's speed of delivery has always been a bit slow. When he was doing Cable he would only ever manage three issues in a row before they'd be an issue with a fill in artist. And several years later it was exactly the same case on New Excalibur. Three issues on, one issue off.

The delays were blatant for many to see from the start.

Shypsi-Prime

12-19-2007, 08:03 AM

So, for someone who is interested in the Runaways comic, what should I read and what should I buy to catch up? Also, should I add it to the pull list?

leebrown1990

12-19-2007, 09:24 AM

Its mainly just a coincidence that titles Whedon works on get big delays. But its not always (possibly, often) his fault. Besides his work is worth waiting for. I'd consider him being the best writer at marvel this year.

Tobias Drake

12-19-2007, 09:39 AM

So, for someone who is interested in the Runaways comic, what should I read and what should I buy to catch up? Also, should I add it to the pull list?

You should read Runaways to catch up. :p

Seriously, though, it does a pretty good job standing on its own legs independent (mostly) of the rest of the MU.

Flâneur

12-19-2007, 09:47 AM

So, for someone who is interested in the Runaways comic, what should I read and what should I buy to catch up? Also, should I add it to the pull list?
Pick up the very first digest to see if you like it, then progress through them all till you get to the 7th (Whedon's unfinished arc will be the 8th). Don't worry about the Civil War arc unless you're really into them since it doesn't do much to the main storyline, it's still enjoyable though.

If you enjoy Runaways enough then it might be worth your while to check out Young Avengers, Loners or the stuff with the new Scorpion.

StrangeD

12-19-2007, 02:34 PM

Zero Hunter

12-19-2007, 04:38 PM

So, for someone who is interested in the Runaways comic, what should I read and what should I buy to catch up? Also, should I add it to the pull list?

Honestly I would not normaly tell a person this, but spring for the Runaways oversized hardcover volume 1. It collects the entire first series (18 issues) plus some other extras. It is one of the best things Marvel has put out in years, and is well worth having. I usally think an oversized hardcover collection is a waste of money for most book unless they are really something great, and Runaways is one fo those books. I don't think I have heard one person who has read this collection say anything bad about it, and you just don't see that with many books these days.

If you like that then check out volumes 2 and 3.

Brett P

12-19-2007, 04:43 PM

When the heck are we gonna get back to a monthly schedule? Alphona managed 18 issues with just one fill in for 2 issues and then 24 issues with another 2 issue fill in and one 3 issue fill in. That's immense.

And now Whedon/Ryan have shot it all to pieces and the story aint even that hot. Absolutely disgraceful.

BKV said it was their best shot at surviving for the long term in the MU...to pass the torch...but it's looking like a really bad decision right now.

Sir Tim Drake

12-19-2007, 05:56 PM

I'm surprised at all this negativity. I'm really enjoying the current run.

Young Avenger

12-19-2007, 06:28 PM

So its just a coincidence that astonishing is always late too?

From what I heard, the delays in Astonishing has to do with Editorial.

kloudsurfer

12-19-2007, 06:54 PM

Whedon is ruining Runaways, imo. His arc is dreadful. It's so convoluted and pointless. The delays have made waiting for the new team painful. Can't wait until Moore and Ramos start up so we can get normalcy to the series and a normal release schedule.
I dont think it is that bad, I just think we have high expectations of the book due to Vaughns amazing writing. I dont think its as good as when BKV and Alphona were on the book, but its still a pretty good read.

But I agree, the delays are making it worse. As with Astonishing, i keep losing interest becauseeach issue takes way too long to come out.

Anyone else miss alphonas art? I love the way he would always put random things in the background (like the pigeon with someones wallet in that Cloak and Dagger arc).

Young Avenger

12-19-2007, 06:59 PM

Anyone else miss alphonas art? I love the way he would always put random things in the background (like the pigeon with someones wallet in that Cloak and Dagger arc).

I love Alphona's art. Marvel is putting him on the Relaunch of Spider-Man Loves Mary-Jane. I may pick it up for his art alone.

Slappy san

12-22-2007, 10:30 AM

I have the three hardcover and they simply great. I gave up after the original team left.

HeckBoy

12-22-2007, 10:45 AM

So what's with this book and its delays? I swear, I'm this close to dropping it completely. I'd be a bit more agitated about it, but I keep forgetting that the series is even still ongoing b/c of all the delays.

jpk

12-22-2007, 11:30 AM

I'm a Whedon fan, but he was boring me to tears with the time-travel arc, so I dumped it a couple months back.

How late has hit been?

Toboe

12-22-2007, 12:01 PM

I loved VKB and Alphona's run so much, and as much as I mostly like Whedon, I'm really not digging his arc, and the massive delays are not helping.

The whole Kingpin/Punisher/time travel thing was so unnecessarily convulted, and I really hate the new characters he is using. I'm also not happy that they just ignored the ending from Vaughan's run. Just a mention on the Runaways Saga that they escaped Iron Man off panel? Please, they were surrounded, exhausted and even comment that running away was not an option... Nico and Victor's relationship has been largely ignnored as well...

Damn, I miss Vaughan so much. I just want Whedon tobe over already and let Moore and Ramos take over so hopefully the book will be good again.

HeckBoy

12-22-2007, 12:27 PM

Damn, I miss Vaughan so much. I just want Whedon tobe over already and let Moore and Ramos take over so hopefully the book will be good again.
I'm just hoping they get the Runaways back into their own little corner of the Marvel U w/o all the mainstream guest stars. I mean, guest appearances by C-listers are fun, but once you start adding headliners like the Avengers or including the group into big events like in Civil War, then the book starts losing its charm.

Stagier

12-22-2007, 01:51 PM

how can ryan be the cause of lateness?! what happened he used to be super fast!

Toboe

12-22-2007, 01:55 PM

Runaways #29 OCT072123 01/23/08

:(

Waterlily

12-25-2007, 05:29 PM

Runaways #29 OCT072123 01/23/08

:(

As long as it doesn't get pushed further back than that date, I'll be ok.

When I first saw your post my brain didn't process the date right - I saw the OCT0 then the /08 - and immediately thought it was delayed till October :eek: After that, one month doesn't seem so bad.

Matthew K.

01-01-2008, 07:02 PM

I agree with the aggravation expressed in this thread--if not for the sheer quality of the former creative team (the wonderful BKV + Alphona) the delays surely have you sorely missing them...

(Get it together or get out, Whedon. The delays continually place the book in further into the back-burner of my mind when I hit up the comic store.)

Ryan Day

01-02-2008, 08:43 PM

(Get it together or get out, Whedon. The delays continually place the book in further into the back-burner of my mind when I hit up the comic store.)

I'm not sure it's all Whedon's fault. Buffy launched about the same time Runaways did (wasn't it even the same week?), and he finished his run on that book without delays.

Maybe he's slow, but Dark Horse made sure more issues were in the can before soliciting. Or maybe there's some other Marvel editorial thing - remember, at one point they pulled Cassaday away from Astonishing so he could do an issue of Fallen Son.

Sandy Hausler

01-03-2008, 06:36 AM

I'm not sure it's all Whedon's fault. Buffy launched about the same time Runaways did (wasn't it even the same week?), and he finished his run on that book without delays.

Maybe he's slow, but Dark Horse made sure more issues were in the can before soliciting. Or maybe there's some other Marvel editorial thing - remember, at one point they pulled Cassaday away from Astonishing so he could do an issue of Fallen Son.

Wheedon is a champ compared to Kevin Smith. I assume we will never see the end of the Daredevil vs. Bullseye limited series he started several years ago.

Sandy Hausler

saintsaucey

01-03-2008, 06:50 AM

Wheedon is a champ compared to Kevin Smith. I assume we will never see the end of the Daredevil vs. Bullseye limited series he started several years ago.

Sandy Hausler

smith has said that it would be pointless to finish this series because the character is so far from where he was when he started the series

Asian_Invasion

01-03-2008, 08:11 AM

They are just back in time for the moment.

elaniel

01-03-2008, 10:52 AM

HeckBoy

01-03-2008, 12:56 PM

Update:

Issue 29 has been pushed 2 weeks to February 6th and 30 has been pushed 2 weeks as well to March 12th.

So in a year, (if no more delays) we will have 6 issues!
These delays are going to do SERIOUS damage to the series. The last issue was end of October. So thats over 3 months between issues!
You've got to be kidding me. Ugh, what is Marvel doing w/ this series?:confused: If they're going to delay the releases this long, they might as well make the series finite and have some sort of "definite" ending planned. No point in making this an ongoing if you can't do it consistently.

ippolit

01-10-2008, 09:45 AM

You've got to be kidding me. Ugh, what is Marvel doing w/ this series?:confused: If they're going to delay the releases this long, they might as well make the series finite and have some sort of "definite" ending planned. No point in making this an ongoing if you can't do it consistently.

I just received a shipment notice email from scifigenre and thought to myself, "there should be a new Runaways by now...". After checking the shipment details and noticing no issue I searched these forums to see if anyone knew of delays.

Count me in among the readers who find lack of a consistent release schedule for Runaways bothersome. I had the same issue as a former poster who said he couldn't remember what was going on when reading the last issue (I originally wrote "latest issue" but thought "last issue" more appropriate).

Kaos

01-10-2008, 11:32 AM

I think it's the artist. stop ragging Whedon so hard, fam.

Beast

01-10-2008, 01:04 PM

Here's a sneak peek of Ramos' art for Runaways with Terry Moore. :)

http://humbertoramos.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/the_ganglow.jpg

Agent_Torpor

01-10-2008, 02:03 PM

Jesus, is one of them wearing Crocs? Ugh. And when did Nico become a circus clown?

Hi-Fi

01-10-2008, 02:08 PM

Someone give Nico a mirror, please.

Agent_Torpor

01-10-2008, 02:12 PM

Someone give Nico a mirror, please.

Yeah, isn't she supposed to be goth? The knee high Chuck Taylors and avril lavigne-esque necktie are pretty bad.

Michael P

01-10-2008, 03:05 PM

Nico needs a bit more shirtage, but overall, I like.

cap5

01-10-2008, 04:16 PM

look at molly she is so cute

Libaax

01-10-2008, 04:31 PM

Someone give Nico a mirror, please.

Exactly whats with that look....

Diablito

01-10-2008, 04:52 PM

Here's a sneak peek of Ramos' art for Runaways with Terry Moore. :)

http://humbertoramos.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/the_ganglow.jpg

It's all really cute! The only problems are Karolina's crocs, and Nico's clothing.

However, the delays are really damaging the series. As is the lack of codenames, lol.

Beast

01-10-2008, 04:58 PM

Exactly whats with that look....
It's pretty similar to her usual look. Just drawn in Ramos' style.

Agent_Torpor

01-10-2008, 05:00 PM

It's pretty similar to her usual look. Just drawn in Ramos' style.

I dunno about that. It's like he turned her into a Gwen Stefani Harujuku Girl - instead of the moody goth she's supposed to be.

And I guess Chase is now a bro-ham frat boy.

DarkCrisis

01-10-2008, 05:07 PM

I think the style is way to cartoonish for the series.

Beast

01-10-2008, 05:12 PM

I dunno about that. It's like he turned her into a Gwen Stefani Harujuku Girl - instead of the moody goth she's supposed to be.
http://www.zonanegativa.com/2007/1334.jpg

Beast

01-10-2008, 05:12 PM

I think the style is way to cartoonish for the series.
That's funny. Considering how cartoonish the original artist's work on the series was.

chickrockguitar

01-10-2008, 05:13 PM

Never liked Ramos' art. Its too cartoon-y for the Marvel U. The 616 U anyway.

That said, BECAUSE of the delays, I cannot wait for the new Run.

Toboe

01-10-2008, 08:11 PM

I can't wait for Moore and Ramos' run to start. I really like Ramos' designs, his art has really grown on me with his X-Men/New X-Men work. I'm curious where Moore will take the book in the post-CW world.

Pity Whedon is killing the book with the massive delays and mediocre story... someone said it's actually Ryan's fault, and if it is then it's worse. He's no Hitch, McNiven or Cassaday, so if the delays are because of the art, it's really not worthy.

Here (http://humbertoramos.com/blog/?p=41) I found some older designs Ramos did for the characters. Nico looks better there, you haters!

PunisherFan

01-10-2008, 10:33 PM

Here's a sneak peek of Ramos' art for Runaways with Terry Moore. :)

http://humbertoramos.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/the_ganglow.jpg

I don't care for this art. Looks like a WB saturday morning cartoon....(sigh) I used to love this book

HeckBoy

01-10-2008, 11:14 PM

Here's a sneak peek of Ramos' art for Runaways with Terry Moore. :)

http://humbertoramos.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/the_ganglow.jpgGeez, that is really different, to say the least. Chase looks too muscular/buff, Karolina looks too short (while Nico too tall), Molly looks even younger than she was before (if that's possible), and overall it's just really different. I seem to recall another piece of Runaways preview art that Ramos drew that looked nothing like this, does anyone have that for comparison?

jeffarei

01-11-2008, 03:32 AM

Here (http://humbertoramos.com/blog/?p=41) I found some older designs Ramos did for the characters. Nico looks better there, you haters!

If this is how the art will be, then i'll be fine with it. It wont be as good as Alphona, but it will do. But if Ramos does the art all cartoony like the above sketches, then i'm dropping the series.

jeffarei

01-11-2008, 03:33 AM

Whedon has already given me half a reason to stop reading.

Michael P

01-11-2008, 05:33 AM

I'm confused. Is there some definition of "cartoony" that includes Ramos but doesn't include Alphona?

cap5

01-11-2008, 09:06 AM

http://www.zonanegativa.com/2007/1334.jpg

is that a cover to Runaways.That looks great

Constantinople

01-11-2008, 09:13 AM

is that a cover to Runaways.That looks great

No, it's a cover to her story in Mystic Arcana, which was sort of the Annihilation of the magic world of Marvel. Of course, the rest of Marvel ignored it and it's done sod all. You'd think Doctor Strange would make a few references to the whole stability of magic changing, but apparently not.

Libaax

01-11-2008, 09:30 AM

I'm confused. Is there some definition of "cartoony" that includes Ramos but doesn't include Alphona?

There are levels, Alphona had perfect look for the characters. Not too cartooney even if it was cartooney.

Ramos makes them look as someone said WB saturday morning cartoon...

Chase looks horrible with the suddenly buff look, likes he is a buff ala Wolverine or something.....

Nico,Chase looks really bad. Only Molly looks alright really.

Sentinel K

01-11-2008, 09:42 AM

Here's a sneak peek of Ramos' art for Runaways with Terry Moore. :)

http://humbertoramos.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/the_ganglow.jpg

I like all of them except for Nico.

She looks like a slut.

leebrown1990

01-11-2008, 10:34 AM

I'm a big Ramos fan, but the art I've seen for young x-men and now these runaways sketches receive mixed impressions.

I'd say Chase looks a little to muscle bound, and Nico's outfit I think should be toned down a bit. Maybes just a little less tutu looking skirt would do, and downsize some feet. Then i think he'd strike the balance between original character design, with his own personal touches, and a certain level of sensibility in the body proportions perfectly.

Deep_Sleeper

01-11-2008, 12:35 PM

I thought Marvel made a mistake naming Ramos as an artist on this series.

I was wrong. I think that looks so awesome. I was never too fond of some of the places Ramos got assigned to at Marvel, but I think this project would be the perfect assignment for Ramos.

I'm on board. GO RAMOS!

Toboe

01-11-2008, 01:29 PM

I'm a big Ramos fan, but the art I've seen for young x-men and now these runaways sketches receive mixed impressions.

The Young X-Men designs were a joke and weren't even his!

I like all of them except for Nico.

She looks like a slut.

But she is a slut. LOL jk.

Anyway, I guess I'll just post this for those who missed the link on my previous post. These are some older designs Ramos did for the characters a while ago. The last one was shown colored as well somewhere else...

http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger2/7279/23982813269270/1600/820147/nico_blog.jpg?force=1

http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger2/7279/23982813269270/1600/497270/the_runaways_blog.jpg?force=1

http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger2/7279/23982813269270/1600/347963/runawaysgirls_blog.jpg?force=1

dabig2

01-11-2008, 01:41 PM

Chase looks like he's on the Roger Clemens regimen. Otherwise, it all looks pretty cool. Well, except for Nico. Something is off...

RodeoWearden

01-11-2008, 01:49 PM

Here's a sneak peek of Ramos' art for Runaways with Terry Moore. :)

http://humbertoramos.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/the_ganglow.jpg

I figured out it. Have you guys played the Spider-Man 3 game? Nico looks like one of those Aresenic Candy girls. I'd like to see her adopt a bit more goth fashion, but thats just...thats just stupid.

And yes, Chase looks way too muscle bound and one of Molly's eyes is trying to escape!

So, give Nico a longer dress, get somebody to wrangle up Molly's Runaway eye, poke a hole in those balloons chase has stuffed in his clothes, and remind Xavin that humans dont have pruny chins and I think we'll be good.

Rock It Raccoon

01-11-2008, 03:55 PM

i'm with Michael P on this one. alphona's art was pretty cartoony too. i think you guys are being too hard on ramos. i mean, i'm sure the only reason michael ryan doesn't get blasted for being too cartoony is because he's not that far off from alphona's style. that said, i've dropped this title because i am one of those rare whedon-haters. not that he's never done anything good, just that his output does not deserve the credit that he gets. i also stand firm that astonishing hasn't been good since the first arc. that whole danger room arc sucked big time. i just think people are for some reason willing to give whedon a pass for mediocre content.

i dont mean to piss off any of you whedon-ites, though. i've been down that road and it can get nasty.;)

stealthwise

01-11-2008, 03:58 PM

Kaos

01-12-2008, 01:04 PM

Maybe Chase has been working out.

jeffarei

01-12-2008, 01:52 PM

If thats how Ramos is depicting Chase, i can't wait to see what Wolverine would look like if he ever made another appearance in Runaways.

Toboe

01-12-2008, 06:14 PM

Just remember this aren't the final designs, just a preview to see what his approach to the kids will be. Here's his comments on the feedback from his blog:

Is cool to know what you guys think, thank you for the comments good or bad I do honestly care about what you think and say, so a couple pointers:

Molly should be a little girl indeed, actually I think she was drawn older than she suppose to be.
About Chase, he is the strong arm to the group, maybe you are right he is too big, that might change but I don’t know.
Clothing issue, this is just a lineup, the guys will have different outfits always, so you’ll see a lot of different styles on them, but honestly i love the Abercrombie and fitch style, sorry.
OK, Karolina will be, sorry for that.
Xavin, won’t be a girl skrull, editorial make a note on that already, that one will change completely.
most of my characters wear what i wear, and you know: I LOVE MY CROCS!!!!
JOE and VICTOR, resemblance, well now that you say it, let’s just remind ol’ poor JOE is been out of work for long time, is time to bring him back haha (sorry, bad joke)

StoneGold

01-12-2008, 07:04 PM

Maybe Chase has been working out.

He's getting older... and drinking milk!

mikekerr3

01-12-2008, 08:03 PM

If thats how Ramos is depicting Chase, i can't wait to see what Wolverine would look like if he ever made another appearance in Runaways.

He'd be keeping his legs crossed around Molly for sure.

Ugoff

01-13-2008, 05:27 PM

Despite the delays I cant give up on this comic. Love the characters and the stories. Whenever it comes out I'll buy it. Not sure about Ramos but it's not that bad.

Joe Franklin

01-14-2008, 07:13 PM

I have never bought an issue of Runaways, but I'm buying the Ramos run just for the art alone.:cool:

Rock It Raccoon

01-16-2008, 10:19 PM

If thats how Ramos is depicting Chase, i can't wait to see what Wolverine would look like if he ever made another appearance in Runaways.

i thought ramos did a great wolverine during the CW tie in. bulky and stocky... a real back to basics wolvie.

Porcelain

01-18-2008, 05:39 AM

I know this is a really stupid question, but can someone make my mind a little easier and explain how the heck the Runaways always have money to buy what they need?

littleredhat

01-18-2008, 05:48 AM

I know this is a really stupid question, but can someone make my mind a little easier and explain how the heck the Runaways always have money to buy what they need?

They raid thier parent's sectret stashes. But they do have a budget.

Porcelain

01-18-2008, 08:36 AM

Thank you.

Monty_Cristo

01-18-2008, 03:27 PM

so who are these super-powered folk the Runaways have aligned with, in the past? and did the plant-controlling girl get a name, yet?

Neal R

01-26-2008, 11:48 AM

Update:

Issue 29 has been pushed 2 weeks to February 6th and 30 has been pushed 2 weeks as well to March 12th.

So in a year, (if no more delays) we will have 6 issues!
These delays are going to do SERIOUS damage to the series. The last issue was end of October. So thats over 3 months between issues!

I'm assuming this hasn't changed recently. I got to this series rather late. 25, first issue of the Whedon run, was my first. I'm sticking around for this. That said, is 30 the last issue of Whedon's run leaving it open for the Terry Moore/Humberto Ramos run to start?

jeffarei

01-26-2008, 01:49 PM

so who are these super-powered folk the Runaways have aligned with, in the past? and did the plant-controlling girl get a name, yet?

i hope she joins them.

Neal R

01-26-2008, 07:39 PM

so who are these super-powered folk the Runaways have aligned with, in the past? and did the plant-controlling girl get a name, yet?

I too echo Jeffarei's hope that she joins up. Her name is Klara (and Molly formally invited her in during issue 28). As for the group the Runaways are currently involved with it's called The Street Arabs. The other group is the Sinners.

BeastieRunner

01-26-2008, 08:21 PM

Is this book ever going to come out again?

jeffarei

01-26-2008, 09:54 PM

I too echo Jeffarei's hope that she joins up. Her name is Klara (and Molly formally invited her in during issue 28). As for the group the Runaways are currently involved with it's called The Street Arabs. The other group is the Sinners.

who are the sinners?

Neal R

01-26-2008, 10:42 PM

who are the sinners?

The Sinners are the other superpowered gang in 1907 new york. The story is playing a little bit like Yojimbo (or Dashiel Hammet's Red Harvest if you want to quote the original source) where two gangs have control over a territory and an individual comes in and upsets the balance of power. No one's playing one against the other, yet, but it's what I thought of as this story unfolded over these last three issues.

The Runaways in this case have come in and upset the balance of power and each one wants them on their team so to speak. All the kids want to do of course is get back home.

Young Avenger

01-26-2008, 11:10 PM

The delays the on the book made me forgot about it. That's a shame considering that Runaways is one of my top favorite books. Ryan should get his ass into gear and finish the last two issues of the run.

I like Ramos designs. Though Molly looks too much like Chip & Dale

timbox

03-15-2008, 07:59 AM

Ramos posted some new Runaways sketches on his blog:
http://www.humbertoramos.com/blog/

I think they look great, can't wait for this book to come around.

seeso

03-15-2008, 08:26 AM

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/5246/mollymoleskinevu5.jpg
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5497/vicmoleskinegg3.jpg
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2635/nicomoleskinexg8.jpg

Toboe

03-15-2008, 03:09 PM

They look great, I'm loving Ramos designs and I can't wait for his run to begin.

I suppose this will take place after the SI tie-in, as he says it's gonna start in August. With Whedon's run and this, I get the feeling Moore and Ramos might be getting a very different book than the one Vaughan left.

timbox

04-18-2008, 10:08 AM

Anyway, I just finished issue 2 of my run in the runaways (I’m loving it!!)

http://www.humbertoramos.com/blog/

I'm still anxiously awaiting this release!

Toboe

04-18-2008, 03:29 PM

Ramos' Runaways! <3

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/867/867657/nycc-08-mondo-marvel-panel-news-20080418090541068.jpg

But apparently it won't come out until September, announced as Terry Moore's month.

Seikun21

04-18-2008, 05:25 PM

I don't usually mind Ramos' art. But I really hope his Nico doesn't always look like that. And I can't help but think that Xavin, Karolina and Old Lace look horrible.

Also isn't Whedon's run supposed to conclude with a new character joining the team? Is that still happening?

Affinity

04-18-2008, 07:22 PM

His art has been good in the X-Books recently. I hope it certainly improves.

The Xenos

04-18-2008, 07:34 PM

In one sketch Chase looked a bit bulky, but other than that these look fantastic. Nico looks a bit different, but not bad. She kinda looks a bit more Asian now too.

Then again, I've been a fan of Ramos from his Crimson days.