RITA's XLVIII: Some Fun Now

[Ray R.]

It may be crazy for an Eagles fan to cheer for the Giants, but I'll be cheering for the Giants.

Sorry Ray . . . .

They had a poll last night on the Ocho, where 53% of the on-line ESPN viewers said they'll be rooting for the Patriots to lose.

Nobody likes a winner.

When you're good at pro football, pro baseball, and pro basketball all at the same time, it must be hard for the rest of the country. :rolleyes:

I like that commercial where the Pats fan asks: "what comes after dynasty, because we already had that."

[tricksterpup]

I bought my kids the Naruto anime box set (points at avatar) for Christmas, and I'm pleasantly surprised at how entertaining it is.

Fun stuff . . . although the themes are very similar to Harry Potter (coming of age story about a boy at a special school)

You are a great Dad..





adopt me.

[mattbib]

Yeah, definitely on the "to see" list. Somewhere around 3rd or 4th.What's higher up on your "to see" list?

[Dreadstar]

I like that commercial where the Pats fan asks: "what comes after dynasty, because we already had that."

Short memories. Isn't the textbook definition of "dynasty" a Boston team? Which, BTW, the Pats have yet to approach?

[Ray R.]

What's higher up on your "to see" list?

Including or excluding porn? Dread has "specific" tastes.

[Dreadstar]

What's higher up on your "to see" list?

Sweeney Todd for one. Charlie Wilson and The Bucket List entice me more. Cloverfield is a must see for me.

[Dreadstar]

Including or excluding porn? Dread has "specific" tastes.

Not anymore I don't. Not since sildenafil.

[Ray R.]

Short memories. Isn't the textbook definition of "dynasty" a Boston team? Which, BTW, the Pats have yet to approach?

The same definition of "dynasty" they rightly use in Pittsburgh, which is something like 4 Superbowls in seven years. The Patriots are in that echelon, going by the common parlance....

[Nick Soapdish]

I bought my kids the Naruto anime box set (points at avatar) for Christmas, and I'm pleasantly surprised at how entertaining it is.

Fun stuff . . . although the themes are very similar to Harry Potter (coming of age story about a boy at a special school)

Hooray!

I'm not the only adult here that likes it.

I have all five box sets and the sixth on pre-order.

[jessecuster3]

The same definition of "dynasty" they rightly use in Pittsburgh, which is something like 4 Superbowls in seven years. The Patriots are in that echelon, going by the common parlance....

I prefer the 6 titles in 7 years, that we had in Chicago.

[Ray R.]

Cloverfield[/i] is a must see for me.

I'm getting a very definite "The Host" feel to that one. Excellent marketing so far.

[Ray R.]

I prefer the 6 titles in 7 years, that we had in Chicago.

When was that? When there were six teams in the league and the age of the leather helmets guys would wear on their way from their better-paying job in the stockyards?

My college, Wesleyan, beat Michigan in football back then, too. Hard to maintain bragging rights nowadays, though.

[Dreadstar]

I'm getting a very definite "The Host" feel to that one. Excellent marketing so far.

I love that everyone is so hyped up about trying to capture an image of the "thing" from the trailers.

People! It doesn't MATTER what the thing is/might be/looks like. That's NOT what the story's about.

The story is "what the man in Tokyo sees when Godzilla wanders through"

[mattbib]

Sweeney Todd for one. Charlie Wilson and The Bucket List entice me more. Cloverfield is a must see for me.Cool, yeah, I want to see those too (except for The Bucket List). But Juno just appealed to me most.

[jessecuster3]

When was that? When there were six teams in the league and the age of the leather helmets guys would wear on their way from their better-paying job in the stockyards?

My college, Wesleyan, beat Michigan in football back then, too. Hard to maintain bragging rights nowadays, though.

Basketball, the 90's. Does the name Michael Jordan ring a bell?

[Ray R.]

I love that everyone is so hyped up about trying to capture an image of the "thing" from the trailers.

People! It doesn't MATTER what the thing is/might be/looks like. That's NOT what the story's about.

The story is "what the man in Tokyo sees when Godzilla wanders through"

Right. "The Host" was all about family. The monster was a supporting character.

[Ed Cunard]

I like that commercial where the Pats fan asks: "what comes after dynasty, because we already had that."

Originally, the local news came after Dynasty, but it changed broadcast positions in later years.

...

Also, here's a handy graphic to link (http://ldragoon.livejournal.com/167611.html) the next time we have some nerd whining about how all women are evil because he's a nice guy and can't get a date because women are evil and say they want a nice guy but don't really and fuck them, those women, because he is a nice guy...

[Winslow]

I don't know, it is kind of impressive to see a 35 year old record to be equaled.

True. I just wnat the record to be set by MY team. I'm selfish that way.

They had a poll last night on the Ocho, where 53% of the on-line ESPN viewers said they'll be rooting for the Patriots to lose.

Nobody likes a winner.

When you're good at pro football, pro baseball, and pro basketball all at the same time, it must be hard for the rest of the country. :rolleyes:

I like that commercial where the Pats fan asks: "what comes after dynasty, because we already had that."

Probably - But I thought fans always cheered against the dominant team . . . . isn't that part of "true" fandom?

You are a great Dad..

adopt me.

Awww . .thanks.

We already have a dog though.

When was that? When there were six teams in the league and the age of the leather helmets guys would wear on their way from their better-paying job in the stockyards?

My college, Wesleyan, beat Michigan in football back then, too. Hard to maintain bragging rights nowadays, though.

The Bulls. He moved the goalposts to the NBA.

I thought dynasties were like decade dominators - UCLA and Boston Celtics.

[Matt Algren]

Oh Matt, I meant to tell you, their address is considered Springfield, but her grandmother who is basically across the street has a New Carlisle address. And, I think they are closest to North Hampton.I'm pretty sure I know what road they're on. My brother lives near there.

They're still publishing Entertainment Weekly?

And people really call it "EW?"

The perfect storm of studio marketing, by-the-numbers reviewing, and shameless pandering. "Wizard" on HGH.I got a gift subscription. It's not a bad diversion.

"It's called show business, not show art." TM
Come on, Ray. You know better than that.

It's ©, not ™.

[Ed Cunard]

I love that everyone is so hyped up about trying to capture an image of the "thing" from the trailers.

People! It doesn't MATTER what the thing is/might be/looks like. That's NOT what the story's about.

The story is "what the man in Tokyo sees when Godzilla wanders through"

It looks to me like the movie is going to be too Blair Witch for me, meaning that it'll make me seasick.

[Ray R.]

Basketball, the 90's. Does the name Michael Jordan ring a bell?

Yup. I saw him look really old here in Washington.

I was pretty sure we were talking about football dynasties, because basketball dynasties pretty much start with the Celtics and then UCLA, and everyone else, be it the Lakers, Bulls, Spurs, Duke or any other program on the planet is playing for second or third place.

[jessecuster3]

The Bulls. He moved the goalposts to the NBA.

I thought dynasties were like decade dominators - UCLA and Boston Celtics.


Didn't really move them at all:

Short memories. Isn't the textbook definition of "dynasty" a Boston team? Which, BTW, the Pats have yet to approach?

[Winslow]

Hooray!

I'm not the only adult here that likes it.

I have all five box sets and the sixth on pre-order.

It's really fun stuff.

I've avoided the the thread in the manga forum for fear of spoilers.

Have you read any of the manga?

[tricksterpup]

I love that everyone is so hyped up about trying to capture an image of the "thing" from the trailers.

People! It doesn't MATTER what the thing is/might be/looks like. That's NOT what the story's about.

The story is "what the man in Tokyo sees when Godzilla wanders through"
So its a story about a man in search of clean underwear?

[tricksterpup]

It's really fun stuff.

I've avoided the the thread in the manga forum for fear of spoilers.

Have you read any of the manga?

The only series I would love to see come out is Bleach. Right now in Japan, they are on episode 154. In the states we are only on 50 something. They haven't even finished that plot line yet and place it in repeats.

[Winslow]

Didn't really move them at all:

I'm just kidding around Jesse.

It was pretty clear Ray wasn't following you because he was focussed on football, not hoop.

Let's see . . dynasties according to MY definition would be:

50's Yankees
60's UCLA Bruins
60's Boston Celtics

[Dreadstar]

So its a story about a man in search of clean underwear?

PRECISELY!

[Ray R.]

Probably - But I thought fans always cheered against the dominant team . . . . isn't that part of "true" fandom?

Personally, I think it's good for the game, win, lose or draw. I hated the Dallas Cowboys, New York Yankees, and L.A. Lakers growing up, because they were so good.

You're right. I will say, however, as a Red Sox fan, it's really strange to be looked at as the "bad guys", since we were considered snakebitten losers (teams and fans) for decades. I understand the player-hating now, but it's a new fit.

The Bulls. He moved the goalposts to the NBA.

I thought dynasties were like decade dominators - UCLA and Boston Celtics.

In my view, pro football dynasties, like the Packers, Steelers, Niners, Patriots, etc., are usually measured in fingers on a hand, not decades. It's just way too hard to be that good in the NFL, because the shelf lives of players are relatively short, and injuries, free agency, retirements, a "hard" salary cap, and coaching changes, make long-term success harder there.

[jessecuster3]

I'm just kidding around Jesse.

It was pretty clear Ray wasn't following you because he was focussed on football, not hoop.



Heh, we in Chicago have a dynasty of sucking. In lots of sports.

[Ray R.]

Heh, we in Chicago have a dynasty of sucking. In lots of sports.

Well, if it's any consolation, I think the '85 Bears could probably, if a few plays go their way, put a major ass-kicking on this year's Patriots, and probably beat them outright, unless the Pats could do their Marino-led Miami impression at home in Foxboro. Neutral field, I'd take the Bears.

[thespianphryne]

Hey Winslow,
Do either of your kids watch Avatar, The Last Airbender?


-Das

[Loren]

They're still publishing Entertainment Weekly?

And people really call it "EW?"

The perfect storm of studio marketing, by-the-numbers reviewing, and shameless pandering. "Wizard" on HGH.

I stopped trusting EW movie reviews when they gave O Brother, Where Art Thou (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,279177,00.html) an "F."

[Winslow]

Personally, I think it's good for the game, win, lose or draw. I hated the Dallas Cowboys, New York Yankees, and L.A. Lakers growing up, because they were so good.

You're right. I will say, however, as a Red Sox fan, it's really strange to be looked at as the "bad guys", since we were considered snakebitten losers (teams and fans) for decades. I understand the player-hating now, but it's a new fit.

I don;t know how anyone can be a Red Sox hater unless they're a Yankee fan. That makes no sense.

In my view, pro football dynasties, like the Packers, Steelers, Niners, Patriots, etc., are usually measured in fingers on a hand, not decades. It's just way too hard to be that good in the NFL, because the shelf lives of players are relatively short, and injuries, free agency, retirements, a "hard" salary cap, and coaching changes, make long-term success harder there.

I guess I was thinking more on a overall sporting level.

If we're looking at successful franchises within the realm of the NFL, the Patriots are definitely a dynasty.

[Ed Cunard]

I don;t know how anyone can be a Red Sox hater unless they're a Yankee fan. That makes no sense.


I guess you've never accidentally washed a red sock with white shirts.

[Winslow]

Hey Winslow,
Do either of your kids watch Avatar, The Last Airbender?


-Das

No. Do you recommend it?

My kids watch Naruto, The Batman, and Justice league Unlimited.

[Ray R.]

I guess you've never accidentally washed a red sock with white shirts.

So you wearing pink all the time isn't intentional after all?

[Ray R.]

I stopped trusting EW movie reviews when they gave O Brother, Where Art Thou (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,279177,00.html) an "F."

That was one of the most retarded things I've ever read, and I've read comics for 30 years.

[jessecuster3]

Well, if it's any consolation, I think the '85 Bears could probably, if a few plays go their way, put a major ass-kicking on this year's Patriots, and probably beat them outright, unless the Pats could do their Marino-led Miami impression at home in Foxboro. Neutral field, I'd take the Bears.

I would love to have seen the '96 Bulls against those Celtic teams, as well.



However, between the Cubs famous woes and the Blackhawks going as long as they have without a Cup, it really begins to resemble a dynasty of losing.

[Winslow]

I would love to have seen the '96 Bulls against those Celtic teams, as well.



However, between the Cubs famous woes and the Blackhawks going as long as they have without a Cup, it really begins to resemble a dynasty of losing.

The Lions have had one playoff victory since I have been alive. So I dumped them. Now i cheer against the bastards (hell hath no fury like a fan scorned).

But the Pistons, Red Wings, and even the Tigers have had success.

And Philadelphia is in a 20+ year drought for a champion. The city is starvin.'

[Ed Cunard]

Other areas achieve the level of dynasty.

Chicago teams tend to just die nasty.

[jessecuster3]

That was one of the most retarded things I've ever read, and I've read comics for 30 years.

Well he gave Hudsucker Proxy a C and Big Lebowski a B-, so it sounds like he has it in for Coen comedies.

[thespianphryne]

No. Do you recommend it?

My kids watch Naruto, The Batman, and Justice league Unlimited.

I liked it. The kids got the full season DVD set and I watched some of it with them. Same thing: kid comes of age, has special powers, but needs friends to help him survive to adulthood or a fulfill a prophecy or something like that.


-Das

[jessecuster3]

The Lions have had one playoff victory since I have been alive. So I dumped them. Now i cheer against the bastards (hell hath no fury like a fan scorned).

But the Pistons, Red Wings, and even the Tigers have had success.

And Philadelphia is in a 20+ year drought for a champion. The city is starvin.'

Ok the Cubs are going on 100 years, the Blackhawks have the longest drought in the NHL, the Bears are over 20 years, 10 years for the Bulls(who just fired their head coach), thank god for the '05 White Sox.

[Ray R.]

I would love to have seen the '96 Bulls against those Celtic teams, as well.

Well, it would be a good series, no doubt. The Bulls would have no answer for Bill Russell (Bill Cartwright? Cliff Levingston? Will Perdue?), and the Celtics would have no answer for Jordan. K.C. Jones and Pippen would probably cancel each other out. Probably come down to second chance shots and free throws.


However, between the Cubs famous woes and the Blackhawks going as long as they have without a Cup, it really begins to resemble a dynasty of losing.

Well, the Cubs still sell out every game and are spending enough on player and managerial talent to make the playoffs. The Blackhawks? No offense to the hockey aficionados on the board, but I can't remember who won the Stanley Cup after the strike, and will probably watch Arena League or *shudder* the PGA before tuning in a NHL game in June. It's a second-tier league.

[jessecuster3]

I liked it. The kids got the full season DVD set and I watched some of it with them. Same thing: kid comes of age, has special powers, but needs friends to help him survive to adulthood or a fulfill a prophecy or something like that.


-Das


Isn't this what James Cameron is making?

[Winslow]

I liked it. The kids got the full season DVD set and I watched some of it with them. Same thing: kid comes of age, has special powers, but needs friends to help him survive to adulthood or a fulfill a prophecy or something like that.


-Das

Yup - same themes and setup.

Amazing how those formulas work so well.

[Matt Algren]

Other areas achieve the level of dynasty.

Chicago teams tend to just die nasty.
That is the unfunniest pun you've ever come up with. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Is your brain still addled by that Dave Sim website or something?

[jessecuster3]

Well, it would be a good series, no doubt. The Bulls would have no answer for Bill Russell (Bill Cartwright? Cliff Levingston? Will Perdue?), and the Celtics would have no answer for Jordan. K.C. Jones and Pippen would probably cancel each other out. Probably come down to second chance shots and free throws.




Well, the Cubs still sell out every game and are spending enough on player and managerial talent to make the playoffs. The Blackhawks? No offense to the hockey aficionados on the board, but I can't remember who won the Stanley Cup after the strike, and will probably watch Arena League or *shudder* the PGA before tuning in a NHL game in June. It's a second-tier league.

Luc Longley was the man in the middle in '96.


Yeah, I haven't paid attention to the Blackhawks since Roenick was there, but they still are the losingest among a bunch of losers.

[SOGG]

Yup - same themes and setup.

Amazing how those formulas work so well.

I strongly, strongly, strongly recommend one piece. Heavy historical undertones disguised as adventure on the high seas.

But not the 4Kids translation -- those are terrible. I think the Viz one is ok. Or... I somehow remember you speaking Japanese? If so, then just go for that.

I watched those with Chinese subtitles. I missed around 30% of the jokes. It was still awesome though.

[tricksterpup]

So you wearing pink all the time isn't intentional after all?

I think Ed looks manly in Pink or something close to it.

[Ray R.]

Well he gave Hudsucker Proxy a C and Big Lebowski a B-, so it sounds like he has it in for Coen comedies.

Maybe it's me, but I never got the whole elementary school grading system either. You either like it or you don't. You either recommend it, or you don't, and you enumerate why. Why box yourself in critically by trying to provide enough reasons to ding some movie down to a "C." Again, I'm sorry to be overusing this term with regards to Entertainment Weekly, but it's hopelessly retarded and only appealing to mouth-breathers who can't think in more complexity than a third-grade report card.

Applying simplistic quantitative standards to complex works of varying artistic, technical, and otherwise subjective merits is a pet peeve of mine, I admit.

[jessecuster3]

Maybe it's me, but I never got the whole elementary school grading system either. You either like it or you don't. You either recommend it, or you don't, and you enumerate why. Why box yourself in critically by trying to provide enough reasons to ding some movie down to a "C." Again, I'm sorry to be overusing this term with regards to Entertainment Weekly, but it's hopelessly retarded and only appealing to mouth-breathers who can't think in more complexity than a third-grade report card.

Applying simplistic quantitative standards to complex works of varying artistic, technical, and otherwise subjective merits is a pet peeve of mine, I admit.


I guess its not so different than a 5,6,or 7 out of 10, or 2 or 3 stars out of 5, its just their attempt at being different.


Its populist for sure, but I really do think they are one of the main reasons BSG is still on the air.

[SOGG]

Maybe it's me, but I never got the whole elementary school grading system either. You either like it or you don't. You either recommend it, or you don't, and you enumerate why. Why box yourself in critically by trying to provide enough reasons to ding some movie down to a "C." Again, I'm sorry to be overusing this term with regards to Entertainment Weekly, but it's hopelessly retarded and only appealing to mouth-breathers who can't think in more complexity than a third-grade report card.

Applying simplistic quantitative standards to complex works of varying artistic, technical, and otherwise subjective merits is a pet peeve of mine, I admit.

Preach it. I mean it's possible to critique something.... say what you think is wrong with the film, what it did right, etc. But to be able to compress all that down to a single letter? That's retarded. How can a single letter encompass critiques on technical expertise, plot, characterisation, etc?

That assumes that we all value things similarly.

I also hate "Two thumbs up".

I frelling know where they're 'up'.

[Ray R.]

Luc Longley was the man in the middle in '96.

Thanks, I forgot the pituitarily-challenged Australian. Bill Russell would use him like a dirty dishrag.


Yeah, I haven't paid attention to the Blackhawks since Roenick was there, but they still are the losingest among a bunch of losers.

At least they're still in town. I was a Hartford Whalers fan, because they were the only game in town living in Connecticut before UConn got good. I don't think the people in Quebec City or Winnipeg are too happy either. See many grizzlies in and around Memphis? It's all relative.

[jessecuster3]

At least they're still in town. I was a Hartford Whalers fan, because they were the only game in town living in Connecticut before UConn got good. I don't think the people in Quebec City or Winnipeg are too happy either. See many grizzlies in and around Memphis? It's all relative.


Fair enough, except none of those teams have an owner who would never televise home games, and also would cut players salaries and raise ticket prices at the same time, after trading away the best players.

[Valmore]

Maybe it's me, but I never got the whole elementary school grading system either. You either like it or you don't. You either recommend it, or you don't, and you enumerate why. Why box yourself in critically by trying to provide enough reasons to ding some movie down to a "C." Again, I'm sorry to be overusing this term with regards to Entertainment Weekly, but it's hopelessly retarded and only appealing to mouth-breathers who can't think in more complexity than a third-grade report card.

Applying simplistic quantitative standards to complex works of varying artistic, technical, and otherwise subjective merits is a pet peeve of mine, I admit.

Wouldn't just saying "I like it" or "I don't like it" be ever more simplistic than an A+ through F system?

[Ray R.]

I guess its not so different than a 5,6,or 7 out of 10, or 2 or 3 stars out of 5, its just their attempt at being different.


Its populist for sure, but I really do think they are one of the main reasons BSG is still on the air.

As SOGG intimates, and I agree, it's lowest common denominator in either case.

I see this as different than "populist" as you define it. One is intellectually lazy and critically self-restricting, the other is, for lack of a better term, less highbrow, obtuse and overly analytical. You can boil down a film, TV show, book, comic, or website in pretty simple terms using exposition and common themes without having to put a superfluous letter grade (or number) on it.

[Winslow]

I strongly, strongly, strongly recommend one piece. Heavy historical undertones disguised as adventure on the high seas.

But not the 4Kids translation -- those are terrible. I think the Viz one is ok. Or... I somehow remember you speaking Japanese? If so, then just go for that.

I watched those with Chinese subtitles. I missed around 30% of the jokes. It was still awesome though.

I wiki'd it . . looks interesting.

Unfortunately I don't know Japanese (other some basics) . . I spent a couple months in Osaka and my daughter wants to learn Japanese may be what you're remembering.

[jessecuster3]

As SOGG intimates, and I agree, it's lowest common denominator in either case.

I see this as different than "populist" as you define it. One is intellectually lazy and critically self-restricting, the other is, for lack of a better term, less highbrow, obtuse and overly analytical. You can boil down a film, TV show, book, comic, or website in pretty simple terms using exposition and common themes without having to put a superfluous letter grade (or number) on it.

But they do explain their letter grade, its not just the letter. So maybe I don't get your point? It is not meant to be a theory magazine its meant to be fluff, I believe.

[Ray R.]

Wouldn't just saying "I like it" or "I don't like it" be ever more simplistic than an A+ through F system?

That equals "Thumbs Up" or "Thumbs Down" which is even more stupefyingly stupid than the A+ through F system.

WHY do you like it? HOW does it work or not work, creatively or technically? WHAT aspects appeal to the reviewer's experience in film, WHICH aspects do not.

It's not rocket science. There are a lot of us here, including Matt, Jared, Ed, Dread, Slam, Das, jesse, Gilda, Winslow, etc., who come on here and give a movie review without assigning a stupid letter grade. I'll be honest, I'd rather trust a movie review given by somebody here, than pick a movie based on some arbitrary B handed out by Owen Gleiberman.

[jessecuster3]

It's not rocket science. There are a lot of us here, including Matt, Jared, Ed, Dread, Slam, Das, jesse, Gilda, Winslow, etc., who come on here and give a movie review without assigning a stupid letter grade. I'll be honest, I'd rather trust a movie review given by somebody here, than pick a movie based on some arbitrary B handed out by Owen Gleiberman.

Yeah but with mine you would do the opposite anyways, right? :)

[Ray R.]

But they do explain their letter grade, its not just the letter. So maybe I don't get your point? It is not meant to be a theory magazine its meant to be fluff, I believe.

Well, I'm not looking for comparisons to Luis Bunuel and French Surrealism before watching the Simpsons movie. There IS a happy medium between theory and fluff. As I said, we do it here in Rita's on a daily basis.

My point was that the grading system itself forces the reviewer into making rather arbitrary, objective judgements (and short, terse, written conclusions) as to why the movie got a "D" or a "C" or an "A." You box yourself in when you have to hit some artificial standard of measure.

Critical review is not multiple choice.

[Ray R.]

Yeah but with mine you would do the opposite anyways, right? :)

You're on the right track with me. Good work. I like you, jesse, no matter what you think about me trying to pick on you or ridicule you.

Look, like what you like. Taste is personal. Defend at your own risk, however. When you throw up justifications for taste, prepare to go through the gauntlet, because we're generally a pretty smart, very well-versed and well-read on the subjects (i.e., a lot of exposure to the materials), and we're pretty opinionated (no, really).

My taste is obviously different than yours, but I attack your justifications and reasoning for liking something more than your feeling warm and fuzzy walking out of the theater. You own that.

[Dr. Hfuhruhurr]

Well, I'm not looking for comparisons to Luis Bunuel and French Surrealism before watching the Simpsons movie. There IS a happy medium between theory and fluff. As I said, we do it here in Rita's on a daily basis.

My point was that the grading system itself forces the reviewer into making rather arbitrary, objective judgements (and short, terse, written conclusions) as to why the movie got a "D" or a "C" or an "A." You box yourself in when you have to hit some artificial standard of measure.

Critical review is not multiple choice.

The examples jesse cited are a perfect illustration: what the hell is the difference between giving the Hudsucker Proxy a C and Big Lebowski a B-? Aside from the fact it tells you that the reviewer is a complete moron, that is.

[SOGG]

I wiki'd it . . looks interesting.

Unfortunately I don't know Japanese (other some basics) . . I spent a couple months in Osaka and my daughter wants to learn Japanese may be what you're remembering.

Ah. Some of the jokes might not be as apparent then. (Like the transvestite who sings 'Oh Come My Way'. It sounds like 'Okama Way' -- Okama meaning transvestite in Japanese)

Although I did get through it with just basic Japanese.

There's a lot of multiculturalism too. Like one guy -- Eneru names his lightning attacks after lightning gods of different pantheons. Makes for good branch readings.

Although I think that the current story arc is crappy. (Oda isn't writing it anymore)

Just like Naruto -- it's great up to the rescue Sasuke arc. And then the story quality drops precipitously. The latest episode had Naruto powering up into Kyuubi for like 30 minutes.

[jessecuster3]

The examples jesse cited are a perfect illustration: what the hell is the difference between giving the Hudsucker Proxy a C and Big Lebowski a B-? Aside from the fact it tells you that the reviewer is a complete moron, that is.


Well really, my examples just made it easier to give a letter than to say he liked this about that movie, but not this, and same for the other one. He still wrote 500 or so words about why he liked or disliked it.

[tricksterpup]

The examples jesse cited are a perfect illustration: what the hell is the difference between giving the Hudsucker Proxy a C and Big Lebowski a B-? Aside from the fact it tells you that the reviewer is a complete moron, that is.

Are you dissing the Dude??
http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/1998/03/06/big-lebowski.jpg

[jessecuster3]

Oh and just for the record, do not take this as me being a proponent for Owen Gleiberman, he is a worthless movie reviewer.

[Typo Lad]

Crud. Just missed an apartment.

I cold-called about two dozen management companies today and of the ten that weren't closed only two were anywhere near my budget.

[SOGG]

But they do explain their letter grade, its not just the letter. So maybe I don't get your point? It is not meant to be a theory magazine its meant to be fluff, I believe.

Well, even with something like Uncle Scoopy's -- which I think is probably the best review site out there -- they make the mistake of thinking that a letter can distill all that. But really, it can't. They explain that an A+ rating means that even people who hate the genre will like it, that a D- means that even if you like the genre you'll hate it, etc.

But it doesn't explain anything. You'd need to read the review to actually see what it means. For example, they gave Zardoz a C-, but after reading the review, I felt like it was a solid B.

I think they do a disservice by giving things a letter 'grade'.

As for "I like it" or "I don't like it". At least when doing this, you don't pretend to be giving a critique -- you're just stating an opinion. But even with people whose tastes are eerily alike, I doubt that it's very useful.

[SOGG]

Crud. Just missed an apartment.

I cold-called about two dozen management companies today and of the ten that weren't closed only two were anywhere near my budget.

You're telling me. I was contemplating moving to NY for a job -- but the rent you lot pay over there. Man. My spending power would dip precipitously.

Of course, I could always go back to living in Queens...

[jessecuster3]

Well, even with something like Uncle Scoopy's -- which I think is probably the best review site out there -- they make the mistake of thinking that a letter can distill all that. But really, it can't. They explain that an A+ rating means that even people who hate the genre will like it, that a D- means that even if you like the genre you'll hate it, etc.

But it doesn't explain anything. You'd need to read the review to actually see what it means. For example, they gave Zardoz a C-, but after reading the review, I felt like it was a solid B.

I think they do a disservice by giving things a letter 'grade'.

As for "I like it" or "I don't like it". At least when doing this, you don't pretend to be giving a critique -- you're just stating an opinion. But even with people whose tastes are eerily alike, I doubt that it's very useful.

Right, I do not disagree with arbitrary letters, however, if the Coen Brothers have made a number of comedies, and each time the same reviewer rates it poorly, then patterns can emerge, no?

[Typo Lad]

Hey, maybe Michael needs a roomate?

[Ray R.]

Well really, my examples just made it easier to give a letter than to say he liked this about that movie, but not this, and same for the other one. He still wrote 500 or so words about why he liked or disliked it.

Look at his "review" of O Brother Where Art Thou that Loren posted. I've seen better reviews by my three-year old of his Thomas the Train videos. (The one where James gets stung by a bee was "filled with pathos and eco-worry". He gave it a B+.)

He'd be better off with just a letter grade. His "review" comes off like he was a production assistant on Blood Simple and Joel Coen spit in the capuccino Owen brought him. Most of us here can write 500 words on just about anything. Doesn't make us a good critic, though.

[jessecuster3]

Look at his "review" of O Brother Where Art Thou that Loren posted. I've seen better reviews by my three-year old of his Thomas the Train videos. (The one where James gets stung by a bee was "filled with pathos and eco-worry". He gave it a B+.)

He'd be better off with just a letter grade. His "review" comes off like he was a production assistant on Blood Simple and Joel Coen spit in the capuccino Owen brought him. Most of us here can write 500 words on just about anything. Doesn't make us a good critic, though.


Like I tried to say earlier, I know he is a shitty, shitty reviewer, but it doesn't mean the system itself is shitty.

[jessecuster3]

It also could be worse, we could be discussing Richard Roeper, who I think is the absolute worst.

[Slam_Bradley]

I think the "thumbs up/down" and the letter-grading system are nods to the casual film fan. The guy who just wants to know whether it's worth is while to take sweetie to "X" film. I mean it's clear that Roger Ebert is capable of more than "thumbs up."

So if I'm looking for an in depth review, I'm not going to go to EW or "Ebert and Roeper" the television show. I'll go to Ebert's column in the Sun-Times or to another reviewer who has an actual background in film criticism.

[Ray R.]

Like I tried to say earlier I know he is a shitty, shitty reviewer, but it doesn't mean the system itself is shitty.

Well, that's where we disagree then. I see the system as shitty, which makes a marginally "not shitty" reviewer produce arbitrarily shitty reviews. Shitty reviewers thrive in the shitty system and get blurbs in shitty movie marketing materials, which enhance their personal exposure as a shitty reviewer. Vicious circle, really.

And I give your review of the A+ to F system a D, jesse. See you in summer school.

[SOGG]

Right, I do not disagree with arbitrary letters, however, if the Coen Brothers have made a number of comedies, and each time the same reviewer rates it poorly, then patterns can emerge, no?

Ah. Well, it's hard for me to be unbiased with Coen Bros stuff because I tend to really like them. So I'll say that they're all very different, etc.

But sure, I can see how it could be read that he just doesn't like the Coens.

[Dr. Hfuhruhurr]

Are you dissing the Dude??
http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/1998/03/06/big-lebowski.jpg

The Dude abides.

[Ray R.]

I think the "thumbs up/down" and the letter-grading system are nods to the casual film fan. The guy who just wants to know whether it's worth is while to take sweetie to "X" film. I mean it's clear that Roger Ebert is capable of more than "thumbs up."

So if I'm looking for an in depth review, I'm not going to go to EW or "Ebert and Roeper" the television show. I'll go to Ebert's column in the Sun-Times or to another reviewer who has an actual background in film criticism.

True enough. My original point was that EW is lowest common denominator. "Wizard" on HGH. That's only been confirmed.

[jessecuster3]

Well, that's where we disagree then. I see the system as shitty, which makes a marginally "not shitty" reviewer produce arbitrarily shitty reviews. Shitty reviewers thrive in the shitty system and get blurbs in shitty movie marketing materials, which enhance their personal exposure as a shitty reviewer. Vicious circle, really.

And I give your review of the A+ to F system a D, jesse. See you in summer school.

Fortunately, as your opinion of the letter system is that it is broken, I choose to ignore your D, and instead reward myself with a B+.

[Ray R.]

Fortunately, as your opinion of the letter system is that it is broken, I choose to ignore your D, and instead reward myself with a B+.

Wait until you get the overseas box office receipts before you award yourself a good grade. That's what really matters anyway. ;)

[jessecuster3]

True enough. My original point was that EW is lowest common denominator. "Wizard" on HGH. That's only been confirmed.

This is what bothers me, they give lots of exposure to stuff you don't even realize they are doing. My biggest example is BSG, they have been hyping this show from the beginning and I guarantee, the LCD is watching it because of EW and not because they frequent comic book message boards.

[Matt Algren]

Hey, maybe Michael needs a roomate?
Something you'd like to tell us?

[SOGG]

This is what bothers me, they give lots of exposure to stuff you don't even realize they are doing. My biggest example is BSG, they have been hyping this show from the beginning and I guarantee, the LCD is watching it because of EW and not because they frequent comic book message boards.

This is altogether... too many acronyms.

These are what I immediately transposed into those:

BSG -- Brittney Spears Guy
LCD -- Liquid Crystal Display
EW -- EverQuest Worlds

[Ed Cunard]

That equals "Thumbs Up" or "Thumbs Down" which is even more stupefyingly stupid than the A+ through F system.

WHY do you like it? HOW does it work or not work, creatively or technically? WHAT aspects appeal to the reviewer's experience in film, WHICH aspects do not.

It's not rocket science. There are a lot of us here, including Matt, Jared, Ed, Dread, Slam, Das, jesse, Gilda, Winslow, etc., who come on here and give a movie review without assigning a stupid letter grade. I'll be honest, I'd rather trust a movie review given by somebody here, than pick a movie based on some arbitrary B handed out by Owen Gleiberman.

I'm not against the lettering system--for some people, that's all they are looking for.

I do like it, though, when things are more judicious with their ratings. Like The Source does with their "five mic" rating system--very few records, in the scope of things, ever got a five mic rating--in the magazine's history, only 43 records got five mics.

True enough. My original point was that EW is lowest common denominator. "Wizard" on HGH. That's only been confirmed.

Yeah, it totally is. I still read it from time to time, though.

[Ray R.]

This is what bothers me, they give lots of exposure to stuff you don't even realize they are doing. My biggest example is BSG, they have been hyping this show from the beginning and I guarantee, the LCD is watching it because of EW and not because they frequent comic book message boards.

No offense, but this is where you get yourself in trouble. By defending the indefensible. I think even the staffers who work at EW won't state that they're providing the great unwashed with need-to-know information.

Your comment on BSG is pretty much unprovable, very anecdotal, and very debatable. That makes it moot, and not really germane to the discussion.

[Ray R.]

Yeah, it totally is. I still read it from time to time, though.

I'd pick up a Wizard if it was in a doctor's office as well. Particularly if I wanted a good tit or fart joke.

I probably wouldn't buy any comic they recommended though, without checking in here first.

[Ed Cunard]

I'm looking at the Five Mic list right now, and it holds up pretty well. There are some sketchy choices and some notable exceptions, but, generally speaking, it's a fairly tight list:

Run-D.M.C. -- Run-D.M.C.
Radio -- LL Cool J
Licensed to Ill -- The Beastie Boys
Raising Hell -- Run-D.M.C.
Criminal Minded -- Boogie Down Productions
Paid in Full -- Eric B. & Rakim
Long Live the Kane -- Big Daddy Kane
By All Means Necessary -- Boogie Down Productions
Strictly Business -- EPMD
Straight Out the Jungle -- The Jungle Brothers
Straight Outta Compton -- N.W.A.
It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back -- Public Enemy
The Great Adventures of Slick Rick -- Slick Rick
Critical Beatdown -- Ultramagnetic MCs
No One Can Do It Better -- The D.O.C.
Grip It! On That Other Level -- Geto Boys
People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm -- A Tribe Called Quest
One For All -- Brand Nubian
Let the Rhythm Hit 'Em -- Eric B. & Rakim
AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted -- Ice Cube
Breaking Atoms -- Main Source
The Low End Theory -- A Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul Is Dead -- De La Soul
Death Certificate -- Ice Cube
The Chronic -- Dr. Dre
Doggystyle -- Snoop Doggy Dogg
Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) -- Wu-Tang Clan
Illmatic -- Nas
Ready to Die -- The Notorious B.I.G.
The Diary -- Scarface
The Infamous -- Mobb Deep
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx -- Raekwon
Liquid Swords -- Genius/GZA
Me Against the World -- 2Pac
The Score -- The Fugees
Reasonable Doubt -- Jay-Z
All Eyez on Me -- 2Pac
Life After Death -- The Notorious B.I.G.
Aquemini -- Outkast
The Chronic 2001 -- Dr. Dre
Stillmatic -- Nas
The Blueprint -- Jay-Z
The Fix -- Scarface
The Naked Truth -- Lil' Kim

...








I just realized that nobody here will give a shit about it, either.

[jessecuster3]

No offense, but this is where you get yourself in trouble. By defending the indefensible. I think even the staffers who work at EW won't state that they're providing the great unwashed with need-to-know information.

Your comment on BSG is pretty much unprovable, very anecdotal, and very debatable. That makes it moot, and not really germane to the discussion.


It cannot be, for example, why would this be featured in the magazine:

3. MAD'S GREATEST ARTISTS: DON MARTIN
How warped was MAD's Martin? Even Far Side creator Gary Larson — who wrote this collection's foreword — bows at his altar.


You cannot tell me the LCD knows who Don Martin is?

[Ed Cunard]

I'd pick up a Wizard if it was in a doctor's office as well. Particularly if I wanted a good tit or fart joke.

I probably wouldn't buy any comic they recommended though, without checking in here first.

I like picking up the season preview issues, just to see what movies are coming out over the next few months.

[Slam_Bradley]

Ray has out elitisted Ed.

Ray and Jesse are preparing battle royale over the worth of Entertainment Weekly.

The more things change...

[jessecuster3]

here is another list, this is 10 things that EW says are "musts" as of 12/10/07:

1. I'M NOT THERE
Director Todd Haynes' sublime meditation on the many faces of Bob Dylan showcases a different actor for each incarnation, including Heath Ledger. Review >

TV
2. THE CLARK BROTHERS on Fox's 'The Next Great American Band'
The gospel-inspired trio's rousing, bluesy take on the Rolling Stones' ''Gimme Shelter'' firmly established them as the group to beat. Preview >

BOOK
3. ATLAS, SCHMATLAS, by Craig Robinson
What borders Russia? ''You might wanna look that up in a real atlas,'' advises this geographic guide. Our kind of reference book.

STAGE
4. THE FARNSWORTH INVENTION
The lights are back up on Broadway — and so is TV scribe Aaron Sorkin. His engrossing new play stars Hank Azaria as the ambitious founder of NBC. Review >

DVD
5. FUTURAMA: BENDER'S BIG SCORE
Matt Groening's ahead-of-its-time cartoon is back in the first of four DVD films. One-eyed Leela remains just as alluring as you remember. Popwatch

MUSIC
6. DILLAGENCE mixtape
Dearly departed rap great J Dilla lives on, as old pal Busta Rhymes adds witty new rhymes to Dilla's inspiring beats.(mickboogie.com)

MOVIE
7. STARTING OUT IN THE EVENING
Frank Langella turns in a powerhouse performance as a forgotten novelist looking for redemption in this moving romantic flick based on the Brian Morton novel. Review >

INTERNET
8. FUNNY OR DIE'S 'THE HILLS'
James Franco and Mila Kunis reenact a scene from MTV's The Hills, preserving both the pathetic Justin-Audrina exchange and the touching burp coda.

DVD
9. HELVETICA on DVD
The stalwart font turns 50 this year; celebrate with this captivating (we're serious) doc about the typeface. Review

READER'S CHOICE
10. WONDER WOMAN
She's got the power! The comic book's new writer, Gail Simone, dials up the aging series with humor and sass.

You have to be impressed that this is what they are raving about.

[Ray R.]

You cannot tell me the LCD knows who Don Martin is?

Well, two propositions right off the bat.

1.) You cannot tell me the LCD (whoever that is) knows who Don Martin is, after being mentioned in EW. A twenty word blurb is just that.

2.) The people who appreciate what Don Martin did, his sense of humor, his characters, his storied place in Mad magazine, etc., probably are the ones most likely in most instances to buy a large, expensive coffee table book about him. Reading Mad magazine in your early teens and being exposed to Don Martin wasn't that extraordinarily uncommon in the sixties, seventies and early eighties, otherwise a lot of us are a lot more "special" than we think.

[Matt Algren]

I only trust bloggers who have no professional reviewing credentials.

[Ray R.]

Ray has out elitisted Ed.

Ray and Jesse are preparing battle royale over the worth of Entertainment Weekly.

The more things change...

When did you start doing metacommentary play-by-play? I thought that was Dread's shtick.

And I can never out-elitist Ed. He critically analyzes rap, for crying out loud.

[Ed Cunard]

And I can never out-elitist Ed. He critically analyzes rap, for crying out loud.

Don't make me annotate rap lyrics and samples, Ray. You wouldn't like me when I annotate rap lyrics and samples.

Not, er, that you like me when I don't, but.

[Dreadstar]

Stay away from my stick, Ray.

[jessecuster3]

Well, two propositions right off the bat.

1.) You cannot tell me the LCD (whoever that is) knows who Don Martin is, after being mentioned in EW. A twenty word blurb is just that.

2.) The people who appreciate what Don Martin did, his sense of humor, his characters, his storied place in Mad magazine, etc., probably are the ones most likely in most instances to buy a large, expensive coffee table book about him. Reading Mad magazine in your early teens and being exposed to Don Martin wasn't that extraordinarily uncommon in the sixties, seventies and early eighties, otherwise a lot of us are a lot more "special" than we think.

Sorry, I just wasn't going to write Lowest Common Denominator, every time.


Lets conduct a poll in our offices of people who have heard(examples unseen) of Don Martin, I think you would be underwhelmed to say the least.

I somewhat agree with you, most of Entertainment Weekly is crap, but you cannot dismiss the whole thing for the gems that are there and are being discussed within its pages weekly.

[Ray R.]

here is another list, this is 10 things that EW says are "musts" as of 12/10/07:



You have to be impressed that this is what they are raving about.

Reviews for the A.D.D.-impaired.

5. FUTURAMA: BENDER'S BIG SCORE
Matt Groening's ahead-of-its-time cartoon is back in the first of four DVD films. One-eyed Leela remains just as alluring as you remember.

.....

6. MILK.
The white liquid is making waves with the lactose-intolerant. It's cold, it's wet, it's one step away from the dairy farm. "Moo"ving on up!

[Ray R.]

Sorry, I just wasn't going to write Lowest Common Denominator, every time.


Lets conduct a poll in our offices of people who have heard(examples unseen) of Don Martin, I think you would be underwhelmed to say the least.

I somewhat agree with you, most of Entertainment Weekly is crap, but you cannot dismiss the whole thing for the gems that are there and are being discussed within its pages weekly.

You lost me at "gems."

[jessecuster3]

Reviews for the A.D.D.-impaired.

5. FUTURAMA: BENDER'S BIG SCORE
Matt Groening's ahead-of-its-time cartoon is back in the first of four DVD films. One-eyed Leela remains just as alluring as you remember.

.....

6. MILK.
The white liquid is making waves with the lactose-intolerant. It's cold, it's wet, it's one step away from the dairy farm. "Moo"ving on up!


They are not meant to be reviews, they are mostly follow-up on things that have previously been reviewed in the magazine, or are actively in the pop culture consciousness for the week. They are meant to be springboards for people to think about at a later date. Some of them are meant to be funny, but it also telling that you avoided the more challenging pieces of media that are featured in the same list.

[Ray R.]

They are not meant to be reviews, they are mostly follow-up on things that have previously been reviewed in the magazine, or are actively in the pop culture consciousness for the week. They are meant to be springboards for people to think about at a later date.

Springboards. Gotcha. That's what most of us in the LCD need. A 30 second refresher course on the pop culture zeitgeist. Public service, really.


Some of them are meant to be funny, but it also telling that you avoided the more challenging pieces of media that are featured in the same list.

LOL! Stop picking on me for loving easy entertainment, jesse.

[jessecuster3]

You lost me at "gems."

Ok, I'm done.

[Matt Algren]

I can't shake the feeling that Ed is off somewhere annotating a rap battle to post here.

[Ray R.]

Ok, I'm done.

Go ahead and put me on "ignore" so you don't snap at what I have to say.

:D

[Ed Cunard]

Jesse,

This is a gem:

http://www.wadsongems.com/gems/gem.jpg

This is shit:

http://kamaladolphinkingsley.com/otisblog/images/fancy-poop-web.jpg

This is a gem in shit:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/edcunard/gempoop.jpg

I don't know about you, but I don't necessarily want to dig through the shit to find the gem, you know?

[jessecuster3]

Go ahead and put me on "ignore" so you don't snap at what I have to say.

:D

Exactly, except, I think this time you are being the stubborn one.

[Ed Cunard]

I can't shake the feeling that Ed is off somewhere annotating a rap battle to post here.

Actually, I think I'm going to kick nerdy rhymes off the top of my head to diss people here.

[Loren]

My point was that the grading system itself forces the reviewer into making rather arbitrary, objective judgements (and short, terse, written conclusions) as to why the movie got a "D" or a "C" or an "A." You box yourself in when you have to hit some artificial standard of measure.

Critical review is not multiple choice.

I'll admit, I'm kinda partial to the Savage Critic (http://savagecritic.com/) scale:

Excellent
Very Good
Good
Okay
Eh
Awful
Crap

And on rare occasion (http://savagecritic.com/2007/01/intervention-jeffs-review-of-12107.html), they'll award a special, extra-low grade of 'Ass.'

[jessecuster3]

I don't know about you, but I don't necessarily want to dig through the shit to find the gem, you know?


heh, you ever played pooh dollar?

[Ray R.]

Exactly, except, I think this time you are being the stubborn one.

Okily-dokily.

[Ed Cunard]

heh, you ever played pooh dollar?

I'm not Jewish.

[jessecuster3]

I'm not Jewish.

Heh, no,apparently you wipe your ass with a dollar and then put it in the street and see who tries to take it. I have also heard where they put it on top of some dog poo and see what happens.

[Matt Algren]

Actually, I think I'm going to kick nerdy rhymes off the top of my head to diss people here.
http://www.activemusician.com/images/store/full/AL_00-22600.jpg

[Typo Lad]

it's official Jesse.

You are the lowest common denominator.

[SOGG]

I'm looking at the Five Mic list right now, and it holds up pretty well. There are some sketchy choices and some notable exceptions, but, generally speaking, it's a fairly tight list:

<snipped for space>

But that's just the point though. This is assuming that if you like rap, you like the same things in rap.

For example, I really like BDP, (or maybe just really like KRS-1) and so agree with most of that, but I mean, stillmatic over reachin' (digable planets) ? And where's Dead Prez? Book of Life (Rakim)?

I'm not saying that these are better necessarily, but it's possible that I only like backpackers, and so seeing -- say -- Big Daddy Kane up there on that list and trying him out since I like BDP might not be a very good idea.

[SOGG]

Why is the lowest common denominator so denigrated? You can't really do prime factoring without it.

[jessecuster3]

it's official Jesse.

You are the lowest common denominator.

You think because I know it exists, infers that I do it?

[Ed Cunard]

But that's just the point though. This is assuming that if you like rap, you like the same things in rap.

For example, I really like BDP, (or maybe just really like KRS-1) and so agree with most of that, but I mean, stillmatic over reachin' (digable planets) ? And where's Dead Prez? Book of Life (Rakim)?

I'm not saying that these are better necessarily, but it's possible that I only like backpackers, and so seeing -- say -- Big Daddy Kane up there on that list and trying him out since I like BDP might not be a very good idea.

Oh, there's a lot of stuff on that list I don't like--I'm not a big fan of Tupac, for example, but he deserves to be on there. My only real questionable choices on that list, by the way, are The DOC and Lil' Kim, and probably Scarface too--not on the basis of me liking them (I have a very big soft spot for Kim), but because they really aren't that great.

But I'm one of those cats that harps on the work, not how much I personally enjoyed it.

But, man, you wound me--Kane just doesn't get the props he deserves anymore.

[Typo Lad]

Why is the lowest common denominator so denigrated? You can't really do prime factoring without it.

Math is evil.

You think because I know it exists, infers that I do it?

it's that you feel the need to tell us.

[Dr. Hfuhruhurr]

Why is the lowest common denominator so denigrated? You can't really do prime factoring without it.

Thank you. We were really having too much "geek" and not enough "nerd" in this discussion. You've brought balance to the Force.

[jessecuster3]

Math is evil.



This makes YOU the Lowest Common Denominator.

[Dom]

Actually, I think I'm going to kick nerdy rhymes off the top of my head to diss people here.

Bust it, white boy!

Heh, no,apparently you wipe your ass with a dollar and then put it in the street and see who tries to take it. I have also heard where they put it on top of some dog poo and see what happens.

It's one of those things where everyone loses, right?


But, man, you wound me--Kane just doesn't get the props he deserves anymore.

I never thought I'd live to see that day that someone would say Kane is underappreciated. And I would agree.

Kane is the man.

[jessecuster3]

Thank you. We were really having too much "geek" and not enough "nerd" in this discussion. You've brought balance to the Force.

there is clearly no room for pathetic loser, right Doc?

[i_mmmchocolate]

One of my co-workers was browsing through this site (http://www.paperbackswap.com/index.php). Never heard of it until now.

[SOGG]

Oh, there's a lot of stuff on that list I don't like--I'm not a big fan of Tupac, for example, but he deserves to be on there. My only real questionable choices on that list, by the way, are The DOC and Lil' Kim, and probably Scarface too--not on the basis of me liking them (I have a very big soft spot for Kim), but because they really aren't that great.

But I'm one of those cats that harps on the work, not how much I personally enjoyed it.

But, man, you wound me--Kane just doesn't get the props he deserves anymore.

Wait... you go to your house of cocaine on a bicycle?

I think it's cool though, that you can judge the excellence of the work without liking it. I'm not nearly as capable.

[Slam_Bradley]

I feel like some full-scale treaty brokering is needed here.

Ray will recognize Entertainment Weekly's right to exist. In exchange Jesse will recognize Ray's right to despise Entertainment Weekly.

Article II...

[SOGG]

Man. Bhutto dies and now she's a martyr.

The Chaser was right. Even assholes turn to top blokes after death.

[Dreadstar]

I just learned a new trick in Facebook poker. Or rather had a new one played on me.

Same guy playing two hands in different windows.

I think I may try that.

Maybe even 3.

[SOGG]

Math is evil.

It's just misunderstood.

Thank you. We were really having too much "geek" and not enough "nerd" in this discussion. You've brought balance to the Force.

I don't know whether to thank you or apologise....

[jessecuster3]

I just learned a new trick in Facebook poker. Or rather had a new one played on me.

Same guy playing two hands in different windows.

I think I may try that.

Maybe even 3.

That's in all computer based poker, I know some guys who make a living playing 6 or more hands, at once.

[Ed Cunard]

Alright, Matt. You asked for it.

Like Black Bolt I spit inhuman lyrical alchemy--
even my whisper rips from the stage to the balcony
cats in the mezanine drop benzadrine just to keep up wit' me
and I smack punks like you like Bobby smacks Whitney
or Hank Pym smacks Janet Van Dyne--pimp smack!--
Your attack is wack and you ain't coming back
from this one--you're dissed son, dismissed son
quit talking shit and go back to playing Myst, son--
in this world I'm a giant robot, you just a piston
so sit back and relax while I get this done.

[Ed Cunard]

I never thought I'd live to see that day that someone would say Kane is underappreciated. And I would agree.

Kane is the man.

My brother! Seriously, people have been riding BDK's flow for years.

Wait... you go to your house of cocaine on a bicycle?

It's as close to "I go to the crackhouse on my bicycle" as I can manage. It's something my little brother used to say, for no apparent reason.

See, I don't think it's that hard, though, to say "you know, that shit isn't for me, but it's good shit."

[thespianphryne]

Math is evil.



[...]

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/phryneateleusis/CBR/barbie.jpg

[SOGG]

Alright, Matt. You asked for it.

Like Black Bolt I spit inhuman lyrical alchemy--
even my whisper rips from the stage to the balcony
cats in the mezanine drop benzadrine just to keep up wit' me
and I smack punks like you like Bobby smacks Whitney
or Hank Pym smacks Janet Van Dyne--pimp smack!--
Your attack is wack and you ain't coming back
from this one--you're dissed son, dismissed son
quit talking shit and go back to playing Myst, son--
in this world I'm a giant robot, you just a piston
so sit back and relax while I get this done.

That was beautiful.

I mean, that shit is dope, yo.

[SOGG]

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/phryneateleusis/CBR/barbie.jpg

I really, really, really hope you photoshopped that caption in....

[thespianphryne]

I really, really, really hope you photoshopped that caption in....
Well somebody did.

The original caption is "I Really Talk!" but she had three voice choices: math is hard!, I love shopping!, will we ever have enough clothes?


-Das

[SOGG]

Well somebody did.

The original caption is "I Really Talk!" but she had three voice choices: math is hard!, I love shopping!, will we ever have enough clothes?


-Das

Ah. Very empowering.

[Michael P]

It strikes me that there's a critical essay to be had in juxtaposing American Graffiti and Superbad.

I've even got the title: "Cars and Cunt."

[SOGG]

Ok. Just because I respect Ed and his eliteness.... I've listened to Veteranz Day and didn't think it was something I could listen to. But, if you guys are vouching for it, I want to give it another shot. Recommendations?

[i_mmmchocolate]

Peruvian food is soooo good!

[Ray R.]

I feel like some full-scale treaty brokering is needed here.

Ray will recognize Entertainment Weekly's right to exist. In exchange Jesse will recognize Ray's right to despise Entertainment Weekly.

Article II...

[TAKES OFF SHOES AND BANGS ON TABLE]

We will bury you, you LCD imperialist pigs!

[Ray R.]

I just learned a new trick in Facebook poker. Or rather had a new one played on me.

Same guy playing two hands in different windows.

I think I may try that.

Maybe even 3.

Great.

Cheating in Facebook poker. Lame-o.

[SOGG]

Peruvian food is soooo good!

I really miss that about NY. So many good restaurants. And it's likely that you can get any sort of cuisine that you crave.

[Matt Algren]

Alright, Matt. You asked for it.

Like Black Bolt I spit inhuman lyrical alchemy--
even my whisper rips from the stage to the balcony
cats in the mezanine drop benzadrine just to keep up wit' me
and I smack punks like you like Bobby smacks Whitney
or Hank Pym smacks Janet Van Dyne--pimp smack!--
Your attack is wack and you ain't coming back
from this one--you're dissed son, dismissed son
quit talking shit and go back to playing Myst, son--
in this world I'm a giant robot, you just a piston
so sit back and relax while I get this done.
You frighten me.
Great.

Cheating in Facebook poker. Lame-o.Unless I'm misremembering, it's Facebook poker with no real money involved.

Lame-o eXtreme.

[SOGG]

Hmm. Apparently there's a Peruvian restaurant out in White Center next to the El Salvadorean Bakery.....

[Ed Cunard]

Ok. Just because I respect Ed and his eliteness.... I've listened to Veteranz Day and didn't think it was something I could listen to. But, if you guys are vouching for it, I want to give it another shot. Recommendations?

Oh, no, you can totally skip Veteranz Day, but you really need to hear his older albums, like It's a Big Daddy Thing and Long Live the Kane.

[Dom]

Oh, no, you can totally skip Veteranz Day, but you really need to hear his older albums, like It's a Big Daddy Thing and Long Live the Kane.

Beat me to it.

Long Live the Kane is one of the best ever.

[jessecuster3]

Oh, no, you can totally skip Veteranz Day, but you really need to hear his older albums, like It's a Big Daddy Thing and Long Live the Kane.

Even I liked Big Daddy Kane back in the day.

[Ray R.]

Even I liked Big Daddy Kane back in the day.

I heard about him in Entertainment Weekly. Hidden gem.

[Chris Nowlin]

Well somebody did.

The original caption is "I Really Talk!" but she had three voice choices: math is hard!, I love shopping!, will we ever have enough clothes?


-Das

They totally stole that from the Malibu Stacy episode of the Simpsons.

"Don't ask me, I'm just a girl."


It's why Lisa made her empowering Lisa Lionheart doll instead.

[jessecuster3]

I heard about him in Entertainment Weekly. Hidden gem.

nice, EW didn't even exist when I was listening to rap.

[Dr. Hfuhruhurr]

I don't know whether to thank you or apologise....

Then I have achieved Snark Nirvana.

[TAKES OFF SHOES AND BANGS ON TABLE]

We will bury you, you LCD imperialist pigs!

Article II:

The party of the first part will keep his damn shoes on. The plants are dying.

[Ray R.]

nice, EW didn't even exist when I was listening to rap.

I read EW before it got populist.

[Ray R.]

Article II:

The party of the first part will keep his damn shoes on. The plants are dying.

John Madden lied to me about the Lotrimin.

[Dom]

I read EW before it got populist.

That was when things mattered, man.

[Dr. Hfuhruhurr]

John Madden lied to me about the Lotrimin.

I thought you took Gynelotrimin.

[Ray R.]

That was when things mattered, man.

Right on, brother. We kept it real.

[i_mmmchocolate]

I really miss that about NY. So many good restaurants. And it's likely that you can get any sort of cuisine that you crave.
Yep, very true. it's also helps that my BF is Peruvian!

The area that I live in is actually populated by quite a few Ecuadorians.

[Ed Cunard]

You frighten me.

You're scared of me, can't be compared to me
you're Ben Reilly--a clone that dared to be
your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man--
you're not JLA material, you're an Outsider and
barely as dope as the Great Lakes Avengers--
it's sad when even they reject you as a member.

[Ray R.]

I thought you took Gynelotrimin.

Bastard. In this case, Google was not my friend.

And I'll have you know my vaginal fungus has been under control, since I sat it down and discussed military school.

[Dr. Hfuhruhurr]

Bastard. In this case, Google was not my friend.

And I'll have you know my vaginal fungus has been under control, since I sat it down and discussed military school.

Good thing. You don't want that fungus' smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.

[Ray R.]

You're scared of me, can't be compared to me
you're Ben Reilly--a clone that dared to be
your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man--
you're not JLA material, you're an Outsider and
barely as dope as the Great Lakes Avengers--
it's sad when even they reject you as a member.

Why is it when I hear Ed gangsta rap, I see this instead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTU2He2BIc0

[Ed Cunard]

Long Live the Kane is one of the best ever.

Seriously. I mean, the second verse of "Ain't No Half-Steppin'" alone!

My rhymes are so dope and
The rappers be hoping
To sound like me, so soon I'll have to open
A school of MCing, for those who want to be in
My field in court
Then again on second thought
To have MC's coming out sounding so similar
It's quite confusing for you to remember
The originator, and boy do I hate a
Perpetrator, but I'm much greater
The best oh yes I guess suggest the rest should fess
Don't mess or test your highness
Unless you just address with best finesse
And bless the paragraph I manifest
Rap prime minister, some say sinister
Non-stopping the groove, until when it's the
Climax, and I max, relax and chill
Have a break from a take of me acting ill
Brain cells are lit, ideas start to hit
Next the formation of words that fit
At the table I sit, making it legit
And when my pen hits the paper, ahh shit!
I stop and stand strong over MC's
And devour with the power of Hercules
Or Samson, but I go further the length
Cause you could scalp my cameo and I'll still have strength
And no, that's not a myth, and if you try to riff
Or get with, the man with the given gift of gab
Your vocab, I'll only ignore
Be sleeping on your rhymes till I start to snore
You can't awake me, or even make me
Fear you, son, cause you can't do me none
So, think about it if you're trying to go
When you want to step to me, I think you should know that...

Hell, even some of his weaker stuff from back then ("Warm It Up, Kane," for example) still had pretty good rhymes and great production.

[Matt Algren]

You're scared of me, can't be compared to me
you're Ben Reilly--a clone that dared to be
your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man--
you're not JLA material, you're an Outsider and
barely as dope as the Great Lakes Avengers--
it's sad when even they reject you as a member.

Your wife is cheating on youm
While you listen in da guest room.

[Dom]

Seriously. I mean, the second verse of "Ain't No Half-Steppin'" alone!

My rhymes are so dope and
The rappers be hoping
To sound like me, so soon I'll have to open
A school of MCing, for those who want to be in
My field in court
Then again on second thought
To have MC's coming out sounding so similar
It's quite confusing for you to remember
The originator, and boy do I hate a
Perpetrator, but I'm much greater
The best oh yes I guess suggest the rest should fess
Don't mess or test your highness
Unless you just address with best finesse
And bless the paragraph I manifest
Rap prime minister, some say sinister
Non-stopping the groove, until when it's the
Climax, and I max, relax and chill
Have a break from a take of me acting ill
Brain cells are lit, ideas start to hit
Next the formation of words that fit
At the table I sit, making it legit
And when my pen hits the paper, ahh shit!
I stop and stand strong over MC's
And devour with the power of Hercules
Or Samson, but I go further the length
Cause you could scalp my cameo and I'll still have strength
And no, that's not a myth, and if you try to riff
Or get with, the man with the given gift of gab
Your vocab, I'll only ignore
Be sleeping on your rhymes till I start to snore
You can't awake me, or even make me
Fear you, son, cause you can't do me none
So, think about it if you're trying to go
When you want to step to me, I think you should know that...

Hell, even some of his weaker stuff from back then ("Warm It Up, Kane," for example) still had pretty good rhymes and great production.


Well excuse me, take a few minutes, to mellow out
Big Daddy Kane is on the mic and I'ma tell about
a minimum length, of rhymes of strength
and power, so listen to the man of the hour
Flow and go to a slow tempo and you know
sing hoe, swing low, then yo the show
will go on, as I perform
Transformin on stage like a Decepticon
But I'm not animated like a cartoon
I'm for real, shootin lyrics like a harpoon
Across the crowd, the listeners, the spectators
So let's groove with the smooth operator

[Ed Cunard]

Why is it when I hear Ed gangsta rap, I see this instead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTU2He2BIc0

Heh. I've never seen that before. Funny.

Just for you, Ray:

I need a girl with an ass like Carl Barks drew it,
quick with her tongue that has a bar through it,
ink on her skin in a style that's almost ethereal
and in such great condition she's CGC material.

[Ray R.]

Heh. I've never seen that before. Funny.

Just for you, Ray:

I need a girl with an ass like Carl Barks drew it,
quick with her tongue that has a bar through it,
ink on her skin in a style that's almost ethereal
and in such great condition she's CGC material.

Don't be slabbin', beeyatch.

[Michael P]

I need a girl with an ass like Carl Barks drew it

Feathered and unclothed?

[Ed Cunard]

Your wife is cheating on youm
While you listen in da guest room.

Ouch.

Both for the sentiment and the rhyme. I'd have gone with

While you was out of the house, man, take a look--
she had more dick in her than a Raymond Chandler book.

[Ed Cunard]

Feathered and unclothed?

No. Like yours.

http://www.vh1.com/sitewide/promoimages/artists/s/sir_mix_alot/vspot/baby_got_back/320x240.jpg

[Matt Algren]

Feathered and unclothed?
He said girl.
Ouch.

Both for the sentiment and the rhyme. I'd have gone with

While you was out of the house, man, take a look--
she had more dick in her than a Raymond Chandler book.
Word.

[Matt Algren]

I just wish rappers weren't so angry all the time.

[Ray R.]

Ouch.

Both for the sentiment and the rhyme. I'd have gone with

While you was out of the house, man, take a look--
she had more dick in her than a Raymond Chandler book.

If I may step up to the mic:

we be calling Ed's missus the Citibank trim --
playas making their deposits like she's an ATM

[Ed Cunard]

Don't be slabbin', beeyatch.

I would have went with "archival grading," but I don't date women that are as old as Dread.

[Ray R.]

I would have went with "archival grading," but I don't date women that are as old as Dread.

the suckers mcs used to call me archival grading
that's all played out, like the skanks Dread's carbon-dating

[Ed Cunard]

I just wish rappers weren't so angry all the time.

It's not all angry, and some of it is justifiably angry. If you're bored:

Common: Retrospect for Life (http://www.ohhla.com/anonymous/common/one_day/for_life.cms.txt)
Ice Cube: Today Was a Good Day (http://www.ohhla.com/anonymous/ice_cube/predator/good_day.cub.txt)
Ice-T: I'm Your Pusher (http://www.ohhla.com/anonymous/ice_t/power/pusher.ict.txt)
Mos Def: Fear Not of Man (http://www.ohhla.com/anonymous/mos_def/black_on/fear_not.mos.txt)

That's just four, but I could name a whole bunch more.

[Dr. Hfuhruhurr]

the suckers mcs used to call me archival grading
that's all played out, like the skanks Dread's carbon-dating

Genius........

[jessecuster3]

Speaking of old school, Slam, I picked up that Sharon Jones and The Dap-kings, and it does indeed kick all kinds of ass.

[Ed Cunard]

the suckers mcs used to call me archival grading
that's all played out, like the skanks Dread's carbon-dating

Oh, snap. That's cold and tight--like a dead midget's no-no place.

[SOGG]

It's not all angry, and some of it is justifiably angry. If you're bored:

Common: Retrospect for Life (http://www.ohhla.com/anonymous/common/one_day/for_life.cms.txt)
Ice Cube: Today Was a Good Day (http://www.ohhla.com/anonymous/ice_cube/predator/good_day.cub.txt)
Ice-T: I'm Your Pusher (http://www.ohhla.com/anonymous/ice_t/power/pusher.ict.txt)
Mos Def: Fear Not of Man (http://www.ohhla.com/anonymous/mos_def/black_on/fear_not.mos.txt)

That's just four, but I could name a whole bunch more.


Man.... I'm I the only guy in the forum who digs Saul?

[Ed Cunard]

Man.... I'm I the only guy in the forum who digs Saul?

Oh, fuck no. I just have trouble labeling him a rapper. God, I loves me some Saul Williams. He's my Fake Internet Friend on MySpace so I can keep track of what he's doing.

One of my X-mas presents was Slam, to replace my VHS copy.

[thespianphryne]

They totally stole that from the Malibu Stacy episode of the Simpsons.

"Don't ask me, I'm just a girl."


It's why Lisa made her empowering Lisa Lionheart doll instead.

Are you planning to be a TV writer for a historical series?

Teen Talk Barbie debuts 1992
Lisa vs Malibu Stacy airs 1994



-Das

[Michael P]

the suckers mcs used to call me archival grading
that's all played out, like the skanks Dread's carbon-dating

Dreadstar, ain't no bed star, listen to me sucka
he goes to the strip club, the girls call him "Mother-Fucka"

[Matt Algren]

It's not all angry, and some of it is justifiably angry. If you're bored:

Common: Retrospect for Life (http://www.ohhla.com/anonymous/common/one_day/for_life.cms.txt)
Ice Cube: Today Was a Good Day (http://www.ohhla.com/anonymous/ice_cube/predator/good_day.cub.txt)
Ice-T: I'm Your Pusher (http://www.ohhla.com/anonymous/ice_t/power/pusher.ict.txt)
Mos Def: Fear Not of Man (http://www.ohhla.com/anonymous/mos_def/black_on/fear_not.mos.txt)

That's just four, but I could name a whole bunch more.
Oh, I get that there's some good stuff in there. I'm really just repeating the stereotypical old white guy reasons that rap sucks. Keep in mind that while the rap revolution was happening, I was listening to Garth Brooks and Reba McEntire on the radio.



...

...and Bette Midler.

There, I said it. I like Bette Midler.

I! LIKE! BETTE! MIDLER!

I'm a stereotype, aren't I? Dammit.

[Dreadstar]

OUchouchouchouch

[Ray R.]

OUchouchouchouch

How's the lull coming along?

[Ed Cunard]

Matt, you're not a stereotype.

You're, like, an analogue type. Your gayosity is one note and one channel split between two speakers.

Musical theatre? CHECK.
Bette Midler? CHECK.
Love of classic cinema and stars? CHECK.
Hypersensitivity? CHECK.
Penis in the poopie hole? CHECK.

If you were a drama queen, you'd have won gay bingo by now.

[Ed Cunard]

OUchouchouchouch

Now, Dread, it will only hurt you for a minute
when you stick your herpes-infected dick in it.

[Ray R.]

If you were a drama queen, you'd have won gay bingo by now.

I'm so stealing this.

[thespianphryne]

It's all right, Matt Algren. Bette Midler is one of the great performers of our time. She carries the flame of vaudeville in her. They don't call her the Divine Miss M for nothing.

Too bad about her movies.



-Das

[SOGG]

Matt, you're not a stereotype.

You're, like, an analogue type. Your gayosity is one note and one channel split between two speakers.

Musical theatre? CHECK.
Bette Midler? CHECK.
Love of classic cinema and stars? CHECK.
Hypersensitivity? CHECK.
Penis in the poopie hole? CHECK.

If you were a drama queen, you'd have won gay bingo by now.

I think T'omm came up with a checklist. The only problem being ... I turned out gay.

[Dr. Hfuhruhurr]

Matt, you're not a stereotype.

You're, like, an analogue type. Your gayosity is one note and one channel split between two speakers.

Musical theatre? CHECK.
Bette Midler? CHECK.
Love of classic cinema and stars? CHECK.
Hypersensitivity? CHECK.
Penis in the poopie hole? CHECK.

If you were a drama queen, you'd have won gay bingo by now.

"Penis in the poopie hole?"

In the future, whenever I type "PITPH," you'll know what I'm talking about.

[Dr. Hfuhruhurr]

I think T'omm came up with a checklist. The only problem being ... I turned out gay.

And?.......

[Ray R.]

Now, Dread, it will only hurt you for a minute
when you stick your herpes-infected dick in it.

Dread's bed is red, or so the girls holla...
cuz it ain't dust out the crank, it's rust...

[SOGG]

And?.......

There is no possible retort I can make that isn't TMI.

[Matt Algren]

Matt, you're not a stereotype.

You're, like, an analogue type. Your gayosity is one note and one channel split between two speakers.

Musical theatre? CHECK.
Bette Midler? CHECK.
Love of classic cinema and stars? CHECK.
Hypersensitivity? CHECK.
Penis in the poopie hole? CHECK.

If you were a drama queen, you'd have won gay bingo by now.
How fucking dare you?

Seriously. I'm starting to doubt this gay thing.

Neat? BZZZ
Thin? BZZZ
Gym rat? BZZZ
Into leather? BZZZ
Annoying lisp? BZZZ
Pet kitties everywhere? BZZZ
Rainbow on car? BZZZ
Likes talking about fashion? BZZZ
Likes shopping? BZZZ
Calls people kitten or girlfriend? BZZZ

[Ray R.]

There is no possible retort I can make that isn't TMI.

That's okay, I had a similar camp director.

[jessecuster3]

That's okay, I had a similar camp director.

You were my camp director!

[Ray R.]

How fucking dare you?

Seriously. I'm starting to doubt this gay thing.

Neat? BZZZ
Thin? BZZZ
Gym rat? BZZZ
Into leather? BZZZ
Annoying lisp? BZZZ
Pet kitties everywhere? BZZZ
Rainbow on car? BZZZ
Likes talking about fashion? BZZZ
Likes shopping? BZZZ
Calls people kitten or girlfriend? BZZZ

You're in the Midwest, Matt. Even the girls there don't act that swishy.

[Matt Algren]

It's all right, Matt Algren. Bette Midler is one of the great performers of our time. She carries the flame of vaudeville in her. They don't call her the Divine Miss M for nothing.

Too bad about her movies.



-Das
The soundtrack for For the Boys is delicious. I was so deflated when the movie itself turned out to be such a turd.

[Ray R.]

You were my camp director!

Right. I couldn't believe I could get the whole Optimus Prime up there. Thanks for proving me wrong, camper.

[Ed Cunard]

Dread's bed is red, or so the girls holla...
cuz it ain't dust out the crank, it's rust...

and it wheezes out after only one thrust.

[Matt Algren]

Speaking of shopping, I just spent almost as much on shipping as I did on the order itself.

Fucking Amazon.com.

[jessecuster3]

Right. I couldn't believe I could get the whole Optimus Prime up there. Thanks for proving me wrong, camper.

Why do you think I still love them so much?

[jessecuster3]

Speaking of shopping, I just spent almost as much on shipping as I did on the order itself.

Fucking Amazon.com.


Those dildoes are heavy, aren't they?

[Ray R.]

and it wheezes out after only one thrust.

says Dread to his pacemaker....
in god we trust.

[DROPS MIC]

I'm out.

[Matt Algren]

Those dildoes are heavy, aren't they?
There's something I've never actually seen in person.

... TMI?

This was Christmas presents for next Monday. (I live in the past.)

[Ed Cunard]

There's something I've never actually seen in person.

So, just in the box, then?

[Dreadstar]

Any attention is good attention, I guess.



I expect the COPS crew to show up at any moment.

[Dreadstar]

There's something wrong with me. I think my funny is broken.

[Ray R.]

There's something wrong with me. I think my funny is broken.

Don't go into the light, man.

[Matt Algren]

So, just in the box, then?
My TV screen tastes weird.
Any attention is good attention, I guess.



I expect the COPS crew to show up at any moment.
Uh oh. Better put your shirt on.

[Ed Cunard]

We kid, Dread. We only mock the ones we love.

Notice how no one has made a rhyme about Custer yet?

[Dreadstar]

I replaced my excellent but burnt out graphics card last night. I replaced it with something that cost me about half what I paid for the excellent Radeon that died.

And it's a better card.

[Ray R.]

We kid, Dread. We only mock the ones we love.

Notice how no one has made a rhyme about Custer yet?

What's a good rhyme for "gem"?

[Ed Cunard]

My TV screen tastes weird.


I knew I should have gone with something more obvious, like "but have you seen it in sheep?"

[Dreadstar]

*sniff* You guys.... You're alright in my book.




marks several names off his "to hit" list

[Matt Algren]

I replaced my excellent but burnt out graphics card last night. I replaced it with something that cost me about half what I paid for the excellent Radeon that died.

And it's a better card.
Weird how quickly prices change. I read something a few days ago that said that the price of HD DVD players have dropped by half in the last six months and they don't think they've hit bottom yet.

[SOGG]

*sniff* You guys.... You're alright in my book.




marks several names off his "to hit" list

You'd hit it?

[Ed Cunard]

What's a good rhyme for "gem"?

Phlegm. 'em. Them.

[Matt Algren]

I knew I should have gone with something more obvious, like "but have you seen it in sheep?"
You'll have to forgive me, I'm busy thinking only of myself.

edit: Oh, and ewwwww.

[Ray R.]

You'd hit it?

Depends on how much you can adjust the wheelchair and medical alert bracelet.

[Paradox]

Winslow has me g