You've used "wigger" and "white trash"

[Magneto X]

So you've used "wigger" and/or "white trash" to explain to other white people the "kind of person" you were talking about -- now explain how that's not calling black people "niggers" and regular "trash"?

The phrases keep getting used by otherwise conscious-seeming people, so I really want to know.

[Matt Algren]

So you've used "wigger" and/or "white trash" to explain to other white people the "kind of person" you were talking about -- now explain how that's not calling black people "niggers" and regular "trash"?

The phrases keep getting used by otherwise conscious-seeming people, so I really want to know.I don't know what a "wigger" is, but I use "white trash" and "redneck" from time to time. The difference is that I'm talking about a specific group with specific attributes that are generally based on choices. The terms you're talking about are based on something that isn't a choice.

[Ray R.]

So you've used "wigger" and/or "white trash" to explain to other white people the "kind of person" you were talking about -- now explain how that's not calling black people "niggers" and regular "trash"?

The phrases keep getting used by otherwise conscious-seeming people, so I really want to know.

Dude, with all due respect, you're shit-stirring for the sake of shit-stirring.

Sometimes issues don't merit their own thread.

[Dreadstar]

I don't know what a "wigger" is, but I use "white trash" and "redneck" from time to time. The difference is that I'm talking about a specific group with specific attributes that are generally based on choices. The terms you're talking about are based on something that isn't a choice.

I don't use "wigger" because I'm too old to sound cool using it, I guess. But I use the terms "redneck" and "white trash" all the time.

In fact, I used some "white trash" last weekend. It's amazing what some of those gals will do for a carton of Reds.

[Jeff Brady]

There's Black People, and there's Niggers. And Niggers have got to go!

Turn that around to "There's White People, and there's White Trash. And White Trash has got to go!"

I'll leave the rest to a resurrected Dr Martin Luther King Jr:

http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/60084/Boondocks_Return_of_the_King_speach.html

[Spackling Compound]

Dude, with all due respect, you're shit-stirring for the sake of shit-stirring.

Sometimes issues don't merit their own thread.

I have never called anyone "conscious-seeming". I won't do it and I haven't done it.

[BoosterBronze]

I don't use either.

"Wigger" is a derogatory term because I'm implying some white person is demeaning themselves by acting 'black' and also, because I would never say 'nigger' so why would I say a contraction with it?

I don't use 'white trash' for two reasons. One, it sound racist. Why am I making a point to say they're white? Is it particuarly shocking if white people are trashy as compared to other races?

It also seems extremly elitist even if it's not racist. Poor, usually rural people are 'trash' somehow? Why? Brittney Spears gets called "white trash" alot, and thats not because she's a lousy mother and a weirdo, it's because she is from Mississipi, and it's always ok to disparage white Southerners.

[StoneGold]

I'm more of a honky man, myself. Damn honkies.

[hoffmandu]

I'm more of a honky man, myself. Damn honkies.


HonkeyTonk Man for teh win!

[Weapon Ick]

I don't use either.

"Wigger" is a derogatory term because I'm implying some white person is demeaning themselves by acting 'black' and also, because I would never say 'nigger' so why would I say a contraction with it?

I don't use 'white trash' for two reasons. One, it sound racist. Why am I making a point to say they're white? Is it particuarly shocking if white people are trashy as compared to other races?

It also seems extremly elitist even if it's not racist. Poor, usually rural people are 'trash' somehow? Why? Brittney Spears gets called "white trash" alot, and thats not because she's a lousy mother and a weirdo, it's because she is from Mississipi, and it's always ok to disparage white Southerners.


I thought Britney was from Louisiana.
I think it's fair to call her white trash because she is white and trashy.

[Paul McEnery]

I don't use either.

"Wigger" is a derogatory term because I'm implying some white person is demeaning themselves by acting 'black' and also, because I would never say 'nigger' so why would I say a contraction with it?

Demeaning? Hmm. Trying desperately to improve their status by faking gangsta cred, maybe. Inverted minstrelsy. Intrinsically racist. Calling them on it is counter-racist.


I don't use 'white trash' for two reasons. One, it sound racist. Why am I making a point to say they're white? Is it particuarly shocking if white people are trashy as compared to other races?

It also seems extremly elitist even if it's not racist. Poor, usually rural people are 'trash' somehow? Why? Brittney Spears gets called "white trash" alot, and thats not because she's a lousy mother and a weirdo, it's because she is from Mississipi, and it's always ok to disparage white Southerners.

Correctamundo. Snobby urban white people looking down on poor folks.

While I look down on them!

[Paul McEnery]

So you've used "wigger" and/or "white trash" to explain to other white people the "kind of person" you were talking about -- now explain how that's not calling black people "niggers" and regular "trash"?

The phrases keep getting used by otherwise conscious-seeming people, so I really want to know.

Oh, if only there was even the semblance of consciousness round here.

Oh, and second Magneto X without the originality to come up with a name all of your own --

If you wash your panties more often that uncomfortable crunchiness goes away.

[Shellhead]

It also seems extremly elitist even if it's not racist. Poor, usually rural people are 'trash' somehow? Why? Brittney Spears gets called "white trash" alot, and thats not because she's a lousy mother and a weirdo, it's because she is from Mississipi, and it's always ok to disparage white Southerners.

Actually, Britney does get called names because she *is* a bad mother, and also because she eats so much junk food when she could afford to eat really fancy food.

When I was a teenager, I used the expressions "white trash", "redneck" and "blue collar" very interchangeably, and it took some time before I realized the differences between the three were important, and that I was pissing some people off. Today, I try to steer clear of labels like that.

[Rattlehead]

Correctamundo. Snobby urban white people looking down on poor folks.

While I look down on them!

The term white trash has nothing to do with poor people. It refers to the guy who waves a confederate flag around while watching Larry the Cable Guy's Christmas Special and bangs his sister. There's quite a few well-off people around here who fall into that category.

[Mac Danny]

Cracker I use on a daily basis.

I own my Crackerness. I crackertastic! Now how is that offensive to crackers?

[Paul McEnery]

The term white trash has nothing to do with poor people. It refers to the guy who waves a confederate flag around while watching Larry the Cable Guy's Christmas Special and bangs his sister. There's quite a few well-off people around here who fall into that category.

We keep a special bucket of scorn for Texans.

[darkhanamaru]

We keep a special bucket of scorn for Texans.

I don't know. There are some cool Texans. It is Mississippi I save my special scorn for. Louisiana is just *different*.

[Rattlehead]

We keep a special bucket of scorn for Texans.

Texas gets a bad rap. People forget that places like Austin and sections of the Metroplex are some of the most liberal environments you'll find anywhere. Dallas even has sex clubs.

[HomerJay]

I don't know what a "wigger" is, but I use "white trash" and "redneck" from time to time. The difference is that I'm talking about a specific group with specific attributes that are generally based on choices. The terms you're talking about are based on something that isn't a choice.
Bingo. That should have ended this thread.


"Wigger" is a derogatory term because I'm implying some white person is demeaning themselves by acting 'black'...
I disagree. They're not demeaning themselves by acting black, they're demeaning themselves by pretending to be something they're not. The term "wigger" is simply a more specific kind of poseur.

It also seems extremly elitist even if it's not racist. Poor, usually rural people are 'trash' somehow? Why? Brittney Spears gets called "white trash" alot, and thats not because she's a lousy mother and a weirdo, it's because she is from Mississipi, and it's always ok to disparage white Southerners.
Once again, I disagree. To me, "white trash" decribes an attitude and lifestyle choices that are made. So it IS because she's a lousy mother & a weirdo.

[Paul McEnery]

Cracker I use on a daily basis.

I own my Crackerness. I crackertastic! Now how is that offensive to crackers?

I don't know.

But now I'm thinking of you as covered in dairy products, and it has not improved my day.

[Dreadstar]

*twweeeeeeeet!*

10 yard penalty and loss of down, a balk, a yellow card, and two free-throws for the visiting team on Magneto X for starting 2 threads and not participating in them.

[Mac Danny]

I don't know.

But now I'm thinking of you as covered in dairy products, and it has not improved my day.

Au Gratin!

[Dreadstar]

Og not rotten! Og just need to change underwear.

[Michael P]

Texas gets a bad rap. People forget that places like Austin and sections of the Metroplex are some of the most liberal environments you'll find anywhere. Dallas even has sex clubs.

There isn't a damn thing liberal about Dallas/Ft. Worth. I don't care who they're having sex with. It's two Tulsas with a pro football team.

And even Austin manages, in true Texas fashion, to be big, dumb and obnouxious about its liberalism.

Don't even get me started about Houston.

[Paul McEnery]

There isn't a damn thing liberal about Dallas/Ft. Worth. I don't care who they're having sex with. It's two Tulsas with a pro football team.

And even Austin manages, in true Texas fashion, to be big, dumb and obnouxious about its liberalism.

Don't even get me started about Houston.

Oh really. I heard you really lurrrrrve Houston. You want to marry it.

[Michael P]

Oh really. I heard you really lurrrrrve Houston. You want to marry it.

I only go there now because I have to. And once my parents retire and move to North Carolina, I'll never have to set foot in that cyst of a town again.

If they hold my high school reunion in Hawaii, I'll consider going.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Texas gets a bad rap. People forget that places like Austin and sections of the Metroplex are some of the most liberal environments you'll find anywhere. Dallas even has sex clubs.

I didn't find anything even slightly liberal about Dallas during my thankfully short tenure there. It's also the most unfriendly city I've ever visited in my entire life.

Austin is okay, and San Antonio was fun the times I've been there, but I rate Dallas only marginally above Mogidishu as far as a place worth visiting.

My limited experience with Houston, interestingly, hasn't been so bad, but that's almost entirely a function of the people I was visiting. The city itself seemed pretty bleak.

[Paul McEnery]

I only go there now because I have to. And once my parents retire and move to North Carolina, I'll never have to set foot in that cyst of a town again.

If they hold my high school reunion in Hawaii, I'll consider going.

And there you have it. Not as liberal as North Carolina, and not as interesting as Hawaii.

Houston, a town so totally excellent people leave the planet to get away.

[darkhanamaru]

And there you have it. Not as liberal as North Carolina, and not as interesting as Hawaii.

Houston, a town so totally excellent people leave the planet to get away.

There are some excellent things in Houston - the universities are excellent for instance.

[mattx110]

Austin. Nashville. New York. San Fransisco. Louisville. Some other places.

Best music in the world. And lots of blondes. All natural of course.

[Rattlehead]

There isn't a damn thing liberal about Dallas/Ft. Worth. I don't care who they're having sex with. It's two Tulsas with a pro football team.

And even Austin manages, in true Texas fashion, to be big, dumb and obnouxious about its liberalism.

Don't even get me started about Houston.

I agree about Houston. That town is dull, dull, dull. There's more things to do in the craphole that I live in than in Houston. Went down there in 2004 for a musicfestival that wound up ripping me off, and I will never, ever step foot in that town again. Six Flags even got the hell out of there.

[Monty_Cristo]

So you've used "wigger" and/or "white trash" to explain to other white people the "kind of person" you were talking about -- now explain how that's not calling black people "niggers" and regular "trash"?

The phrases keep getting used by otherwise conscious-seeming people, so I really want to know.

wigger is a white person who behaves like a nigger. a nigger is a black person who behaves ignorantly.


white trash = white people who are trashy

you seem to be of the opinion that people who are white trash are somehow similar to black people. i don't really see the similarity.

[Paul McEnery]

wigger is to white people as nigger is to black people

there is no implication of all black people being niggers, if used in this way (imo)


white trash = white people who are trashy

you seem to be of the opinion that people who are white trash are somehow similar to black people. i don't really see the similarity.

Some black people also like ketchup.

[Slam_Bradley]

This entire thread is based on a false premise.

I've never called anyone a wigger.

I'd never even heard of the term until about a month ago.

I demand a recount.

[Valmore]

This entire thread is based on a false premise.

I've never called anyone a wigger.

I'd never even heard of the term until about a month ago.

I demand a recount.

Okay ... I've recounted.

You still haven't used the term wigger.

I'll bill the state of Florida for my time.

[Monty_Cristo]

Some black people also like ketchup.

has that been proven, scientifically? i call shenanigans.

[Paul McEnery]

This entire thread is based on a false premise.

I've never called anyone a wigger.

I'd never even heard of the term until about a month ago.

I demand a recount.

Yeah, but you've been calling those annoying kids "tiggers" for quite a while now, you deaf old bastard. :evilsmile

[Slam_Bradley]

Yeah, but you've been calling those annoying kids "tiggers" for quite a while now, you deaf old bastard. :evilsmile


Only because they're so bouncy.

[Rattlehead]

If I was black, I'd be insulted by some rich, spoiled, suburban white kid trying to act like he knows what life in the ghetto is like. I say they deserve to be ridiculed, because they wouldn't last a second there.

[beetheb]

I agree about Houston. That town is dull, dull, dull. There's more things to do in the craphole that I live in than in Houston. Went down there in 2004 for a musicfestival that wound up ripping me off, and I will never, ever step foot in that town again. Six Flags even got the hell out of there.This sounds like me talking about Dallas.

You ever see that episode of the Simpsons where it establishes that Homer hates New York, because every time he goes it turns into one of the worst days of his life? That's pretty much me and Dallas.

And Six Flags does skirt it, but I think it consciously drifts a few centimeters further away from it every year, as does anything else sane.

[mattx110]

If I was black, I'd be insulted by some rich, spoiled, suburban white kid trying to act like he knows what life in the ghetto is like. I say they deserve to be ridiculed, because they wouldn't last a second there.
so... Do they need to show their food stamps before you let them walk around with their pants around their ankles?

or tell them "act like the gutter, stay in the gutter?"

There's a difference between culture and sucking. If your entire self-image is based on trying to be threatening, you just seem cute to me. Which gets me hit in the face a loooot.

[Rattlehead]

so... Do they need to show their food stamps before you let them walk around with their pants around their ankles?

or tell them "act like the gutter, stay in the gutter?"

If you're hopping out of your mother's brand new Chevy Suburban, or other reasonably expensive car, I'm going to guess that you aren't on food stamps. But hey, I've used food stamps, because I'm poor.

There's a difference between culture and sucking. If your entire self-image is based on trying to be threatening, you just seem cute to me. Which gets me hit in the face a loooot.

Drop them off in a real ghetto, and we'll see how long their threatening self-image lasts.

[Paul McEnery]

If you're hopping out of your mother's brand new Chevy Suburban, or other reasonably expensive car, I'm going to guess that you aren't on food stamps. But hey, I've used food stamps, because I'm poor.



Drop them off in a real ghetto, and we'll see how long their threatening self-image lasts.

In my neighbourhood, we call them "chalkies".


















This is not, in fact, true.

Too bad.

[mattx110]

If you're hopping out of your mother's brand new Chevy Suburban, or other reasonbaly expensive car, I'm going to guess that you aren't on food stamps. But hey, I've used food stamps, because I'm poor.



Drop them off in a real ghetto, and we'll see how long their threatening self-image lasts.
How do you know they didn't have to rob cheat and steal someone else's mother... That's really really ghetto isn't it?

[Monty_Cristo]

If you're hopping out of your mother's brand new Chevy Suburban, or other reasonably expensive car, I'm going to guess that you aren't on food stamps. But hey, I've used food stamps, because I'm poor.

but i'm poorer. i posted this reply last month but my computer is so old that it's only now getting here.

[darkhanamaru]

In my neighbourhood, we call them "chalkies".




I thought they were called "customers"

[mattx110]

but i'm poorer. i posted this reply last month but my computer is so old that it's only now getting here.
For a psychic thread-poster you suck at using your skills for profit.

[Monty_Cristo]

For a psychic thread-poster you suck at using your skills for profit.

i couldn't afford schooling either. it's a vicious cycle.

[Paul McEnery]

i couldn't afford schooling either. it's a vicious cycle.

I was attacked by a vicious cycle once.

[Rattlehead]

I'm seriously going to find a way to work "chalkies" into my everyday vernacular.

[Sean Whitmore]

Dude, with all due respect

Heh! S'funny.


It also seems extremly elitist even if it's not racist.

Yeah? And?

I don't have the life of Reilly or anything, but I'm pretty comfortable looking down on the 30-year old grandma and the 16-year old mother with the obese baby.


Demeaning? Hmm. Trying desperately to improve their status by faking gangsta cred, maybe. Inverted minstrelsy. Intrinsically racist. Calling them on it is counter-racist.

This definitely used to be true. 10 years ago, if you're a white guy and the first thing you say upon addressing me is, "Yo, yo, yo," y'know what, go shove it up your ass.

Nowadays, though, lots of white people actually do talk like that. They're not putting on an act, that's genuinely how they grew up speaking. So it'd be unfair to accuse them of being wiggers.


SEAN

[Sean Whitmore]

I'm seriously going to find a way to work "chalkies" into my everyday vernacular.

I'm still working on bringing "paleface" back.

That's what you gotta love about being white; all of the derogatory terms for us sound so cool. Paleface could be, like, a super hero or something.


SEAN

[Magneto X]

I used some "white trash" last weekend. It's amazing what some of those gals will do for a carton of Reds.

White trash is racist. Why wouldn't whites be trashy? Why is the caveat necessary?

Yokel or Country or Rube or Hick are terms that means "rural uneducated person" and means what you mean without connoting race or comparing races.

The term "wigger" is simply a more specific kind of poseur.

That's really all it means despite the fact that it most obviously is "white nigger"? And, although you think that's not what you mean, that's clearly what other people mean when they said it?

I thought Britney was from Louisiana.
I think it's fair to call her white trash because she is white and trashy.

She is white. But WHEN do you choose to call Britney, or other folks accused of being ignorant, "white"? Why does the label need to go there?

It originally did because racists used the term to say, "although this person is white, they are still trash." That's an inherently racist idea.

Now folks are saying it's simply definitional. But when they call Britney a bad singer, they don't say "she's a white bad singer" and when she's a bad parent she's not a "white bad parent" and when she's a celebrity, she's not a "white celebrity." Take off the blinders and admit there are rare times when you would ever qualify a descriptor with white.

It would make sense if she was from Korea, but was white. You'd be clarifying that, "although she's from Korea, she's a white person."

When you say "white trash" you are saying "although she is trash, she is white."

wigger is a white person who behaves like a nigger. a nigger is a black person who behaves ignorantly.


Oh really? THAT'S what a nigger is? And how did you become so sure it's not what it has historically meant and how it still means in the majority of the country, if not the world? And why , if we even deemed to throw out all the people who still use nigger the old way and accepted your premise about it's new meaning, why would black people need a special, black-only word to describe our ignorant people?

I don't use either.

"Wigger" is a derogatory term because I'm implying some white person is demeaning themselves by acting 'black' and also, because I would never say 'nigger' so why would I say a contraction with it?

I don't use 'white trash' for two reasons. One, it sound racist. Why am I making a point to say they're white? Is it particuarly shocking if white people are trashy as compared to other races?


Correct IMO.

So . . . , when trying to say "uneducated person" about a white person why are black or white races even referenced?

[Monty_Cristo]

This definitely used to be true. 10 years ago, if you're a white guy and the first thing you say upon addressing me is, "Yo, yo, yo," y'know what, go shove it up your ass.

Nowadays, though, lots of white people actually do talk like that. They're not putting on an act, that's genuinely how they grew up. So it'd be unfair to accuse them of being wiggers.


SEAN


i still feel sorry for anyone who talks like that, naturally. it would be like being born with your collar popped.

[Paul McEnery]

I'm still working on bringing "paleface" back.

That's what you gotta love about being white; all of the derogatory terms for us sound so cool. Paleface could be, like, a super hero or something.


SEAN

Pailface. Second cousin of Buckethead.

[Sean Whitmore]

i still feel sorry for anyone who talks like that, naturally. it would be like being born with your collar popped.

Fair enough, I'm just saying I have more respect for a white guy who grew up speaking that way than one who hit 16 and decided he wanted to live in a rap video.


SEAN

[Paul McEnery]

White trash is racist. Why wouldn't whites be trashy? Why is the caveat necessary?

Yokel or Country or Rube or Hick are terms that means "rural uneducated person" and means what you mean without connoting race or comparing races.



That's really all it means despite the fact that it most obviously is "white nigger"? And, although you think that's not what you mean, that's clearly what other people mean when they said it?



She is white. But WHEN do you choose to call Britney, or other folks accused of being ignorant, "white"? Why does the label need to go there?

It originally did because racists used the term to say, "although this person is white, they are still trash." That's an inherently racist idea.

Now folks are saying it's simply definitional. But when they call Britney a bad singer, they don't say "she's a white bad singer" and when she's a bad parent she's not a "white bad parent" and when she's a celebrity, she's not a "white celebrity." Take off the blinders and admit there are rare times when you would ever qualify a descriptor with white.

It would make sense if she was from Korea, but was white. You'd be clarifying that, "although she's from Korea, she's a white person."

When you say "white trash" you are saying "although she is trash, she is white."



Correct IMO.

When trying to say "uneducated person" about a white person why are black or white races even referenced?

Or, you know, maybe when you launder your shorts, you're putting in too much starch. That could be the problem, mister i couldn't be arsed to come up with an original name.

Back on topic, why do people feel the need to say Vanilla Ice Cream?

[Sean Whitmore]

Paleface #4
$2.99, Whitey Comics
As Paleface continues his search for the elusive assassin Ghost, his partner Chalkie is left alone to protect the city from the rampaging Honky! Meanwhile, waiting in the wings is The Man and his cybernetic creation: The Cracker!


We could do it. It'd sell.


SEAN

[Kid Omega]

I think what Magneto is trying to say, is that he prefers "wegro", or even better, "Wafrican Wamerican".

Let's all try to be a bit more sensitive, please.

[Magneto X]

"wegro", or even better, "Wafrican Wamerican".


I suppose if you needed a one-word reference to a white person acting black there are other choices. Of course, you could just say "black-acting" I suppose (has problems but calling black people niggers isn't one of them) or "afriphile" or "afrocentric" maybe. The worst possible choice I can think of, however, would be "white nigger" and "wigger for short."

Or, you know, maybe when you launder your shorts

I didn't get how funny that joke was when it was posted early on the thread! Ha. So ... Abbot and Costello! :rolleyes:

Also ... what kind of a nutcase would find "White Nigger" offensive?
It's too ridiculous to respond to with anything accept shorts jokes!

[mattx110]

Or, you know, maybe when you launder your shorts, you're putting in too much starch. That could be the problem, mister i couldn't be arsed to come up with an original name.

Back on topic, why do people feel the need to say Vanilla Ice Cream?
BECAUSE VANILLA ICE CREAM IS NOT PLAIN!!!!!!

Sorry... touchy subject.

[Matt Algren]

Dear New Magneto X (not affiliated with Magneto_X Classic),

Instead of making statements in the form of a question so you can (attempt to) sound oh-so-smart, please just make your statement in the form of a statement. Something like this: "I think people saying "wigger" or "white trash" are being racist, even if they don't think they are."

See how easy that was? Now you try.

[Sean Whitmore]

I think what Magneto is trying to say, is that he prefers "wegro", or even better, "Wafrican Wamerican".

Let's all try to be a bit more sensitive, please.


The guy I buy my pot from is a white guy with dreadlocks. Would he be Wamaican?


SEAN

[Sean Whitmore]

BECAUSE VANILLA ICE CREAM IS NOT PLAIN!!!!!!

Then...what is?


SEAN

[Paul McEnery]

BECAUSE VANILLA ICE CREAM IS NOT PLAIN!!!!!!

Sorry... touchy subject.

It's as plain as the nose on your face, mister blandy bland mcvanillaperson.

[K'Nort]

When I was a teenager, I used the expressions "white trash", "redneck" and "blue collar" very interchangeably, and it took some time before I realized the differences between the three were important, and that I was pissing some people off. Today, I try to steer clear of labels like that.

Blue collar is completely different from the other two. But I'm not seeing a difference between white trash and redneck.


Texas gets a bad rap. People forget that places like Austin and sections of the Metroplex are some of the most liberal environments you'll find anywhere.

Anywhere in Texas.

Not the same thing.

[Paul McEnery]

The guy I buy my pot from is a white guy with dreadlocks. Would he be Wamaican?


SEAN

He would be Gary Oldman, and you should be very worried.

[Paul McEnery]

Blue collar is completely different from the other two. But I'm not seeing a difference between white trash and redneck.
.

So long as it's nothing like greenhorn.

[Kid Omega]

Blue collar is completely different from the other two. But I'm not seeing a difference between white trash and redneck.




There are retards out there who are proud to be "rednecks", but "white trash" is still an insult.

[Sean Whitmore]

Blue collar is completely different from the other two. But I'm not seeing a difference between white trash and redneck.

White trash says to me dumb, lazy, crazy, or other such combinations. People who attack each other with kitchen knives at 3 in the morning in the trailer park.

Redneck brings to mind racist, jingoist, sexist, and the like. Someone who sells propane and propane accessories.


SEAN

[Rabid Trekkie]

White trash is racist. Why wouldn't whites be trashy? Why is the caveat necessary?

Yokel or Country or Rube or Hick are terms that means "rural uneducated person" and means what you mean without connoting race or comparing races.



That's really all it means despite the fact that it most obviously is "white nigger"? And, although you think that's not what you mean, that's clearly what other people mean when they said it?



She is white. But WHEN do you choose to call Britney, or other folks accused of being ignorant, "white"? Why does the label need to go there?

It originally did because racists used the term to say, "although this person is white, they are still trash." That's an inherently racist idea.

Now folks are saying it's simply definitional. But when they call Britney a bad singer, they don't say "she's a white bad singer" and when she's a bad parent she's not a "white bad parent" and when she's a celebrity, she's not a "white celebrity." Take off the blinders and admit there are rare times when you would ever qualify a descriptor with white.

It would make sense if she was from Korea, but was white. You'd be clarifying that, "although she's from Korea, she's a white person."

When you say "white trash" you are saying "although she is trash, she is white."



Oh really? THAT'S what a nigger is? And how did you become so sure it's not what it has historically meant and how it still means in the majority of the country, if not the world? And why , if we even deemed to throw out all the people who still use nigger the old way and accepted your premise about it's new meaning, why would black people need a special, black-only word to describe our ignorant people?



Correct IMO.

So when trying to say "uneducated person" about a white person why are black or white races even referenced?

Umm, people might say "white trash" because there just aren't many race specific derogatory terms for white people. I mean we all know the special words to get people of just about every other race to want to kill us, but what about white people? Honky and cracker are mostly forgotten, red neck has slowly been turning into something to be proud about, but white trash no matter how it started can still be one of the few phrases that trigger in whites the same thing the n word can do in black people.

And what's with all the hate against Houston? Yeah there's not really a whole lot to do here, but the people are generally friendly and the gas is cheap. Unlike Dallas where some punk decided to look down on me because he could tell from my accent that I came from Houston. Weirdest snub of my life. According to my sister, St. Paul is one of the most unfriendly places she's been and that their McDonald's seems more like a library than a place for kids to yell and have fun.

[mattx110]

Then...what is?


SEAN I think cold saltwater would be the closest thing to "plain" icecream.

It's as plain as the nose on your face, mister blandy bland mcvanillaperson.
Give me one good reason... I sig this, and the masses will see you for the villian you is!
The guy I buy my pot from is a white guy with dreadlocks. Would he be Wamaican?


SEAN
And if he was listening to Samba music and dancing, would he be a WaRio?

[Paul McEnery]

Unlike Dallas where some punk decided to look down on me because he could tell from my accent that I came from Houston.

And there you have it.

[Paul McEnery]

I think cold saltwater would be the closest thing to "plain" icecream.


Give me one good reason... I sig this, and the masses will see you for the villian you is!


Dude, I've got an English accent. Of course I'm the villain.

[Paul McEnery]

The guy I buy my pot from is a white guy with dreadlocks. Would he be Wamaican?


SEAN

And now that I think of it, the term is Wanker.

[Sean Whitmore]

And if he was listening to Samba music and dancing, would he be a WaRio?

You buy from that dude too?

http://www.mariokartds.co.uk/Images/SSB/WarioArtB.jpg

[Magneto X]

please just make your statement in the form of a statement. Something like this: "I think people saying "wigger" or "white trash" are being racist, even if they don't think they are."

See how easy that was? Now you try.

Easy enough: I think people saying "wigger" or "white trash" are being racist, even if they don't think they are.

[mattx110]

I think "white trash" is easier to use poetically.

"white trash, working class, redneck ,blue collar."

compared to
"trash, working class, redneck, blue collar."

There's a beat missing. And how do you write songs about your humble roots in the trailer park if you don't have a demeaning title that lends itself to rhyme?

It's not racist. It's prettier to say.

[Paul McEnery]

I think "white trash" is easier to use poetically.

"white trash, working class, redneck ,blue collar."

compared to
"trash, working class, redneck, blue collar."

There's a beat missing. And how do you write songs about your humble roots in the trailer park if you don't have a demeaning title that lends itself to rhyme?

It's not racist. It's prettier to say.

It's important to distinguish between white trash and trailer trash.

Not to mention trashy blondes.

[mattx110]

You buy from that dude too?

http://www.mariokartds.co.uk/Images/SSB/WarioArtB.jpg
Thank you for finding the biggest damn picture possible.

It cheers me up.

[K'Nort]

White trash says to me dumb, lazy, crazy, or other such combinations. People who attack each other with kitchen knives at 3 in the morning in the trailer park.

Redneck brings to mind racist, jingoist, sexist, and the like. Someone who sells propane and propane accessories.

I guess I don't come across people who fit one and not the other.

[Kid Omega]

Easy enough: I think people saying "wigger" or "white trash" are being racist, even if they don't think they are.

Okay... so are you saying that racsim does not begin with intention?

[mattx110]

Dude, I've got an English accent. Of course I'm the villain.
ah... so you're the guy who watched James Bond and says "Oh... those poor oppressed jamaican former colonists forced into black-market economic choices after the Europeans took over the economy and monopolized trade!!! And somebody, please think of the Russians!"


No dice man.

[Sean Whitmore]

Thank you for finding the biggest damn picture possible.

It cheers me up.

I dare someone to look at all that yellow and purple and not smile.


SEAN

[Paul McEnery]

ah... so you're the guy who watched James Bond and says "Oh... those poor oppressed jamaican former colonists forced into black-market economic choices after the Europeans took over the economy and monopolized trade!!! And somebody, please think of the Russians!"


No dice man.

No no no.

I'm the one pretending to be a lefty terrorist while robbing the bank.

[Matt Algren]

Easy enough: I think people saying "wigger" or "white trash" are being racist, even if they don't think they are.I knew you could do it! Now try doing it more often.

Okay... so are you saying that racsim does not begin with intention?See what I mean? We skipped ahead in the conversation right away, and all it took was a clear statement instead of a leading question.

I think we've all learned a valuable lesson today. Now come on Uncle Jesse, pick up your guitar and sing along with the Beach Boys.

[mattx110]

No no no.

I'm the one pretending to be a lefty terrorist while robbing the bank.
Ok... I give up, which Sean Bean movie are you?

[Rabid Trekkie]

No no no.

I'm the one pretending to be a lefty terrorist while robbing the bank.

Breaking down the evils of capitalism one bank at a time.

[mattx110]

I dare someone to look at all that yellow and purple and not smile.


SEAN
How evil can he be with a big comically pink nose?

[darkhanamaru]

Dude, I've got an English accent. Of course I'm the villain.

Too bad it is the accent of the villiain's muscle.

[Magneto X]

Okay... so are you saying that racsim does not begin with intention?

Usually. But just as there are sins of commission and sins of ommission, right?
Some things, a person should do.
Some things, a person should notice.

I wonder how you can go years saying "white trash" without noticing what is implied.

Just say "trash".

[Rabid Trekkie]

Usually. But just as there are sins of commission and sins of ommission, right?
Some things, a person should do.
Some things, a person should notice.

I wonder how you can go years saying "white trash" without noticing what is implied.

Just say "trash".

Oh come on! Black people call each other that word which should not be spoken, and most don't consider them racist. It is all about intention, especially speech which is made up of body language and intonation just as much as people flapping their gums.

[warspite1805]

Slightly off topic, I have always found the term "African American" a bit daft, it kind of implies that an American who happens to be black is somehow not a proper American, yet you don't get people being described as "European Americans" if they are white because somehow they are proper Americans. Even more comical when you get some prats out there who refer to all black people as "African Americans", a famous example being someone in Marvel describing the Black Panther as an African American.

[Sean Whitmore]

Slightly off topic, I have always found the term "African American" a bit daft, it kind of implies that an American who happens to be black is somehow not a proper American

The term is pretty stupid, yes.

But not for that reason.


SEAN

[mattx110]

Slightly off topic, I have always found the term "African American" a bit daft, it kind of implies that an American who happens to be black is somehow not a proper American, yet you don't get people being described as "European Americans" if they are white because somehow they are proper Americans. Even more comical when you get some prats out there who refer to all black people as "African Americans", a famous example being someone in Marvel describing the Black Panther as an African American.
Wesley Snipes did it. It's kind of a reflex. And at least one Black Panther was from new york I believe.

[Magneto X]

Oh come on! Black people call each other that word which should not be spoken, and most don't consider them racist. It is all about intention, especially speech which is made up of body language and intonation just as much as people flapping their gums.

White supremacy affects black people too and just because many black people secretly feel inferior doesn't justify white people backhandedly calling black people "trash".

Slightly off topic, I have always found the term "African American" a bit daft, it kind of implies that an American who happens to be black is somehow not a proper American, yet you don't get people being described as "European Americans" if they are white because somehow they are proper Americans. Even more comical when you get some prats out there who refer to all black people as "African Americans", a famous example being someone in Marvel describing the Black Panther as an African American.

If someone moves here from Asia and their child is born here, they might refer to themselves as "Asian American" wouldn't they? And they're kid might also, right? You haven't begruged them that, have you?


I do say "European Americans" sometimes. Sometimes "White". Sometimes "African Americans". Somestimes "Black."

[Agent Helix]

So, is Barack Obama a wigger? I'm just wondering where this thread came from.

[Sean Whitmore]

If someone moves here from Asia and their child is born here, they might refer to themselves as "Asian American" wouldn't they? And they're kid might also, right? You haven't begruged them that, have you?

I have. You're one or the other.

I find it slightly more annoying than I do hyphenated names for married couples.


SEAN

[Magneto X]

I have. You're one or the other.

I find it slightly more annoying

Not sure why you'd care whether an "Asian American" "European American" or "African American" chooses to call themselves that. Got a problem with "Latino" too?

Hyphenated married names are kinda problematic in the long run.
Presumably your kids would have two hyphens, and their kids four!

The term is pretty stupid, yes.


Makes sense to me, even if "African Descended" is slightly more accurate.

[Agent Helix]

Also, where do we stand on Eurotrash?

I need a ruling on that.

[Sean Whitmore]

Makes sense to me, even if "African Descended" is slightly more accurate.

Well, let's be super accurate and call the majority of the people who walk the Earth African-descended.

If people wanted a new euphemism to refer to people by their skin color, fine, I just don't see how dragging geographical names into it makes sense. I'm not Irish-anything, I was born in frickin' New York.


SEAN

[Rabid Trekkie]

White supremacy affects black people too and just because many black people secretly feel inferior doesn't justify white people backhandedly calling black people "trash".

Yeah I'm sure all those rich rappers who make more money than I'll ever see in my life are feeling the affects of white supremacy and feel inferior to me.

English, especially in America, is all about adapting new meanings to words. Its why people in country western songs now are proud to be a red neck and why black people shout to each other "Hello my n*****!" without a second thought.

By your definition just about every black guy at my school hates his own race. But hey, if you want to get really technical about it every time you use the word slave your demeaning an ethnic group that went through worse than most in antebellum America long before white people settled in America.

[Sean Whitmore]

Not sure why you'd care whether an "Asian American" "European American" or "African American" chooses to call themselves that.

People can call themselves whatever they want. A girl can call herself Ralph. I don't think it should be the agreed-upon term in the cultural lexicon.


SEAN

[Sean Whitmore]

Also, where do we stand on Eurotrash?

I need a ruling on that.

It sucked.

No, wait, that was Eurotrip.


SEAN

[warspite1805]

White supremacy affects black people too and just because many black people secretly feel inferior doesn't justify white people backhandedly calling black people "trash".



If someone moves here from Asia and their child is born here, they might refer to themselves as "Asian American" wouldn't they? And they're kid might also, right? You haven't begruged them that, have you?


I do say "European Americans" sometimes. Sometimes "White". Sometimes "African Americans". Somestimes "Black."


To me it is calling all black Americans, "African Americans" is the daft thing, after all a black British couple (who parents were all born and raised in the UK) could move to the States and have a child there. It would be more apt to call the child British American, while at the same time a white couple from South Africa whose family lived there for generations could move to the states, their child would not be called an African-American by most.

To me it is only worth calling someone a hyphenated whatever is if they have mixed parentage or had more than one nationality

[Agent Helix]

Honest question, who here has ever said they felt gypped when they bought something?

[Magneto X]

I think "white trash" is easier to use poetically.

"white trash, working class, redneck ,blue collar."

compared to
"trash, working class, redneck, blue collar."

There's a beat missing.

Country trash? Rural trash? Hick trash?
"Trailer trash?"
How are "white" ignorant people clearly different?

And is a "beat" worth implying that blacks are naturally trash,
while with whites it deserves noting?

Why is "white trash" more poetic than "trailer trash"?
At least there you get alliteration. .

[Sean Whitmore]

Honest question, who here has ever said they felt gypped when they bought something?

I felt gypped one time when a friend welshed on a bet.


SEAN

[Sean Whitmore]

To me it is only worth calling someone a hyphenated whatever is if they have mixed parentage or had more than one nationality

Let's be clear here. The term "African American" wasn't invented to show respect to anyone's culture or background. It was invented so guilty white people didn't have to say "black people". So Jamaicans, black British people, etc never really crossed their mind.


SEAN

[Agent Helix]

I felt gypped one time when a friend welshed on a bet.


SEAN

You understand my point, though.

White trash, a term which I don't recall ever having used conversationally (I prefer just saying "trashy", which is nice and neutral and full of so many meanings), may have originally been a disparaging comment used by rich white southerners to disparage poor white farmers during the Reconstruction, but the meaning in the modern vernacular has no bearing on race relations anymore, much like the terms "gypped" or "welshed".

Wigger, I do think has offensive connotations on multiple levels, and I don't care for it or say it. But by this point in modern usage, white trash is simply a slightly meaner way of saying redneck. Any additional racial baggage you bring to it is your problem in 2007.

[mattx110]

As long as nobody goes around calling jews causasians...
And Algerians French.


And Poetry is worth calling the world a bunch of c****s. And Gretchen Wilson is awesome, so she's allowed to too.

[Paul McEnery]

Well, let's be super accurate and call the majority of the people who walk the Earth African-descended.

Wait a goldarned minute.

How many Alpha Centaurans are there on the planet now?


If people wanted a new euphemism to refer to people by their skin color, fine, I just don't see how dragging geographical names into it makes sense. I'm not Irish-anything, I was born in frickin' New York.


We do have a name for that, yes.

[Sean Whitmore]

But by this point in modern usage, white trash is simply a slightly meaner way of saying redneck. Any additional racial baggage you bring to it is your problem in 2007.

Well said.


SEAN

[Paul McEnery]

You understand my point, though.

White trash, a term which I don't recall ever having used conversationally (I prefer just saying "trashy", which is nice and neutral and full of so many meanings), may have originally been a disparaging comment used by rich white southerners to disparage poor white farmers during the Reconstruction, but the meaning in the modern vernacular has no bearing on race relations anymore, much like the terms "gypped" or "welshed".

Wigger, I do think has offensive connotations on multiple levels, and I don't care for it or say it. But by this point in modern usage, white trash is simply a slightly meaner way of saying redneck. Any additional racial baggage you bring to it is your problem in 2007.

Sure. But according to the Council for Inflammatory Language, in 2008 it will refer exclusively to Lithuanians.

[Magneto X]

White trash, a term which I don't recall ever having used conversationally (I prefer just saying "trashy", which is nice and neutral and full of so many meanings),

Awsome!


may have originally been a disparaging comment used by rich white southerners to disparage poor white farmers during the Reconstruction, but the meaning in the modern vernacular has no bearing on race relations anymore

You don't get out much do you? Or wear rosey glasses. I think if you head over to a rural all-white small community and the mom who tells her girl she's "acting like white trash" is not some kind of world-view progressive on race relations. Reconstruction was 150 years ago. People were yelling nigger ON TV and political meetings (and bombing desegrationists and black voters) a full hundred years later, not just saying "white trash", so negative connotations for terms are not as old as you think they are.


Wigger, I do think has offensive connotations on multiple levels, and I don't care for it or say it.

Awesome again!

[Tadhg Adams]

You don't get out much do you? Or wear rosey glasses. I think if you head over to a rural all-white small community and the mom who tells her girl she's "acting like white trash" is not some kind of world-view progressive on race relations. Reconstruction was 150 years ago. People were yelling nigger and bombing desegrationists and black voters just a hundred years later, not just saying "white trash". Sounds like you are over-ambitious about the state of race relations.


I think you misread him. He made no statement regarding the state of race relations. He just said the usage of white trash in the modern vernacular isn't related to the state of race relations.

[Sean Whitmore]

You don't get out much do you? Or wear rosey glasses.

Well, now you've contradicted yourself. Which one doesn't he do?


SEAN

[Kid Omega]

Usually. But just as there are sins of commission and sins of ommission, right?
Some things, a person should do.
Some things, a person should notice.

I wonder how you can go years saying "white trash" without noticing what is implied.

Just say "trash".

I don't use either phrase. But I'm certainly not going to assume the worst of those that do.

In the scheme of things, this falls into "intention"... And I don't believe in the sins you describe. Either someone is being a deliberate racist, or they're saying something thoughtlessly. There is a world of difference.

All told, there are far worse racist acts to worry about.

[Magneto X]

Sure, there's always something worse than something else.

I don't use either phrase.

Okay, now a number of people have said they don't like to use "white trash"
but see nothing offensive with people using "white trash"
to describe an ignorant white person.

Then why not use it? Why even remember that you don't use it?
What's not to like about the phrase "white trash"?

Except for the suggestion that it's somehow note-worthy when whites are trashy?

[Agent Helix]

Redneck and trailer trash are more fun to say.

[mattx110]

I like the song "Redneck Jazz". It's pretty awesome. I think it's sad that you can track my posts as I get less and less funny until now, where I can't even think of a single Joke.

It's like white people stopped being funny... What the hell is every black comic going to do now?

[Paradox]

mattx110 shoujld go back a little further:

How do you know they didn't have to rob cheat and steal someone else's mother... That's really really ghetto isn't it?

Well, to be really ghetto you'd have had to, y'know, been sequestered there by Nazis.

Whoo-hoo! Godwin FTW!

**technical note** Originally it was from Venice, but only got "popularized" by the German actions.

[Paradox]

Matt Algren says "Man that's your instrument":

I think we've all learned a valuable lesson today. Now come on Uncle Jesse, pick up your guitar and sing along with the Beach Boys.

Conga drums, actually. :p

[Sean Whitmore]

Except for the suggestion that it's somehow note-worthy when whites are trashy?

Well, the thing is, white people are usually smart and competent. Unlike all the other dirty people of the world. So when a white person starts acting nuts, it's worth noting. "Geez, that guy's trash. And he's white, which is weird, because they're usually great."

(Hey, he was desperate to hear it, so I threw him a bone.)


SEAN

[Paradox]

I'm still waiting for someone to go into the "black olives locked up in a can" bit.

[Sean Whitmore]

I'm still waiting for someone to go into the "black olives locked up in a can" bit.

Why do black cats have to be the unlucky ones? What's that about?


SEAN

[Paradox]

Black stuff is always evil!!! I know this because I base my thought processes entirely on 12th century thinking!!! :mad:

[Ed Cunard]

Blue collar is completely different from the other two. But I'm not seeing a difference between white trash and redneck.

I once read an interesting article that discussed the history of and semantic difference between the terms "hillybilly," "redneck," and "white trash." I'm going to have to dig it out to see if I can find it.

Yeah I'm sure all those rich rappers who make more money than I'll ever see in my life are feeling the affects of white supremacy and feel inferior to me.


I wouldn't be so quick to jump to that conclusion and, even if so, that accounts for, what, 0.01% of Black people in this country?

As for me: I use "white trash," but I don't use "wigger." I also use "cracker" a lot. And sometimes "ofay" when I want that throwback feel.

[Kid Omega]

The complaints of the OP are getting really specific and bizarre.

In the end, how about we just not give a fuck what other people say, until it actually upsets the person it's intended to upset, and even then, we just let the parties in question sort it out.

This whole thing (the OP's assertions) is bordering on "thought policing", and it weirds me out.

[Paradox]

My roomie and I have a tendency to refer to almost everyone BUT black people as "niggers". I blame Ennis and his "Martian niggers" bit from Preacher. :D

[Paul McEnery]

Black stuff is always evil!!! I know this because I base my thought processes entirely on 12th century thinking!!! :mad:

Huh.

And I only put you in high school in the 15th Century.

[Paul McEnery]

I once read an interesting article that discussed the history of and semantic difference between the terms "hillybilly," "redneck," and "white trash." I'm going to have to dig it out to see if I can find it.



I wouldn't be so quick to jump to that conclusion and, even if so, that accounts for, what, 0.01% of Black people in this country?

As for me: I use "white trash," but I don't use "wigger." I also use "cracker" a lot. And sometimes "ofay" when I want that throwback feel.

Ofay!

Sweet Christmas, it's like hearing a song from my youth.

[Paul McEnery]

The complaints of the OP are getting really specific and bizarre.

In the end, how about we just not give a fuck what other people say, until it actually upsets the person it's intended to upset, and even then, we just let the parties in question sort it out.

This whole thing (the OP's assertions) is bordering on "thought policing", and it weirds me out.

Use his naaaame!

Magnetox, mistress of bovine attraction -- and repulsion!

Also, baby sitter to the young Scarlet Witch.

[Sean Whitmore]

Ofay!

Sweet Christmas, it's like hearing a song from my youth.

I don't think I like "ofay".

Makes me sound like something from A Midsummer Night's Dream.


SEAN

[Matt Algren]

You don't get out much do you? Or wear rosey glasses. I think if you head over to a rural all-white small community and the mom who tells her girl she's "acting like white trash" is not some kind of world-view progressive on race relations. Reconstruction was 150 years ago. People were yelling nigger ON TV and political meetings (and bombing desegrationists and black voters) a full hundred years later, not just saying "white trash", so negative connotations for terms are not as old as you think they are. You're assuming that all people (or at least all mothers with little girls) in rural all-white small communities are racist.

Interesting.

The complaints of the OP are getting really specific and bizarre.

In the end, how about we just not give a fuck what other people say, until it actually upsets the person it's intended to upset, and even then, we just let the parties in question sort it out.

This whole thing (the OP's assertions) is bordering on "thought policing", and it weirds me out.
I'm offended by your use of the pejorative "the OP" on his behalf.

[Paul McEnery]

I don't think I like "ofay".

Makes me sound like something from A Midsummer Night's Dream.


SEAN

I knew you were a bottom.

[Sean Whitmore]

I knew you were a bottom.

Look, let's give it the respect it deserves, okay? The term is "power bottom".


SEAN

[Matt Algren]

Look, let's give it the respect it deserves, okay? The term is "power bottom".


SEAN
Quick test:

Tag Adams or Johnny Hazzard. Which is the real power bottom?

...

I've said too much, haven't I?

[BoosterBronze]

But by this point in modern usage, white trash is simply a slightly meaner way of saying redneck. Any additional racial baggage you bring to it is your problem in 2007.

I'm uncomfortable with this line of reasoning.

Please send me a memo when enough rap songs have come out that the 'modern usage' of nigger is ok, and anyone's racial baggage is their own problem.

My grandpa used to say not to let people 'jew you' out of your money. In 2007 whose problem is the racial baggage? Would it help if the phrase was more popular? Can I say it in 2008?

[BoosterBronze]

Redneck and trailer trash are more fun to say.

Trailer-trash bothers me as well. It's an extremely negative stereotype applied to lower income people based on the style of building they live in. As if they'd somehow be better peopleif they were in an apartment.

And I don't buy the 'I don't mean all people who live in trailers, just the suitably trashy ones' argument, because if you don't want to be acused of stereotyping, don't use sterotype based slurs.

Hell, when I went to college, I envied the guy who lived in the trailer.He was the only person I knew with his own washing machine.

[Sean Whitmore]

My grandpa used to say not to let people 'jew you' out of your money.

So your grandpa hates Jews. That's a lot more explicit than hearing someone say "white trash" and making the strained leap of logic that they must hate non-whites.

(Which, granted, may not be your point, but is the point of the thread starter's)


SEAN

[Agent Helix]

Trailer-trash bothers me as well. It's an extremely negative stereotype applied to lower income people based on the style of building they live in. As if they'd somehow be better peopleif they were in an apartment.

And I don't buy the 'I don't mean all people who live in trailers, just the suitably trashy ones' argument, because if you don't want to be acused of stereotyping, don't use sterotype based slurs.

Hell, when I went to college, I envied the guy who lived in the trailer.He was the only person I knew with his own washing machine.

Christ, it was a joke.

[Paradox]

Paul McEnery shows my shame:

Huh.

And I only put you in high school in the 15th Century.

Hey, I got left back a couple of times. It's not a crime! ;)

[mattx110]

Christ, it was a joke.
Tell it to your lord and savio-oh... you already did. Good day then.

And racism? It's bad, right? Let's stop it.

[FunkyGreenJerusalem]

It also seems extremly elitist even if it's not racist. Poor, usually rural people are 'trash' somehow? Why? Brittney Spears gets called "white trash" alot, and thats not because she's a lousy mother and a weirdo, it's because she is from Mississipi, and it's always ok to disparage white Southerners.

No, she gets called it because she's trash.
We call her it over here, and we don't even know what Mississippi or Louisiana are - to us, you're all just Yanks or Seppos.

[Paradox]

Paul McEnery is full of...literary reference:

I knew you were a bottom.

Awww, Puck you. ;)

If we shadows have offended, think but this and all is mended...

[Paul McEnery]

Awww, Puck you. ;)

If we shadows have offended, think but this and all is mended...

About pucking time!

[Alex L]

To me it is calling all black Americans, "African Americans" is the daft thing, after all a black British couple (who parents were all born and raised in the UK) could move to the States and have a child there. It would be more apt to call the child British American, while at the same time a white couple from South Africa whose family lived there for generations could move to the states, their child would not be called an African-American by most.

To me it is only worth calling someone a hyphenated whatever is if they have mixed parentage or had more than one nationality

I had a classmate, who is Chinese by ethnicity, who was born/raised/came here from Australia.

Would she be an Australian-Asian-American? Or an Asian-Australian-American?

[Paradox]

Hyphens are for immigrants only. Your friend is a Australian-American.

[Nightstar1441]

Very interesting take...

I've always thought of white trash as more of an attitude certain people have (regardless of monetary income).

To me - white trash is some one who thinks the world owes him something for some cosmic wronging done to them. Because they are believed that are owed this 'something' it acts for an excuse to behave with poor manners and little respect for his fellow man.

Not based on income or locale but of behavior and attitude towards other people.

But then again, like all things in the english language, certain phrases tend to carry multiple meanings to people

[Michael P]

In case someone hasn't made this joke yet: Charlize Theron is my favorite African-American movie star.

[Magneto X]

Not based on income or locale but of behavior and attitude towards other people.

Not based on income or locale, but apparently race is necessary - hence the "white."

To me - white trash is some one who thinks the world owes him something for some cosmic wronging done to them. Because they are believed that are owed this 'something' it acts for an excuse to behave with poor manners and little respect for his fellow man.

How does simply "trashy" not do the job?

[Matt Algren]

How does simply "trashy" not do the job?



It lacks a certain, how you say, je ne sais quoi.

Totally unrelated question: Have you ever used the phrase "ladies and gentlemen"?

[mattx110]

It lacks a certain, how you say, je ne sais quoi.

Totally unrelated question: Have you ever used the phrase "ladies and gentlemen"?
I prefer, "ladies and gentlemen, and gentlemen."

It takes a couple seconds but usually gets a chuckle.

[Nightstar1441]

How does simply "trashy" not do the job?

Actually - trashy is currently used to refer to specific women who have a hard time keeping their legs closed...so there could be some confusion using that term

[Paul McEnery]

Not based on income or locale, but apparently race is necessary - hence the "white."



How does simply "trashy" not do the job?





Because white trash acts different from black trash. If I ever come across yellow trash, I'll let you know how they act -- though god knows my Japanese-Mexican roommate who desperately wanted to be all gangsta -- a yigger-migger? -- could act pretty badly when he was trashed. Drank all my Vermouth straight one night because we were out of gin, for one thing. Damn!

But seriously, while it's important to recognize that the abuse of language
does channel our minds towards discrimination if we don't pay attention, this ain't one of the leading issues by a long chalk.

Better, I would have thought, to address the real issues of political economics and the black community.

[mattx110]

Better, I would have thought, to address the real issues of political economics and the black community.
Ummm... if we all say they're keeping themselves down by dressing like hoodlums and using the n-word regularly, then the gov't and everyone above the poverty line is guilt free :D

Don't break the illusion or it isn't real.... Did you not play Zelda: Link's Awakening like 100 times?

[mattx110]

Anyone else start to think more like other forum members after increased intensity of posting/reading this board?

I'm starting to scare myself. Not naming names though...

[Rabid Trekkie]

Anyone else start to think more like other forum members after increased intensity of posting/reading this board?

I'm starting to scare myself. Not naming names though...

It's how Paul will one day take over the world. Or at least nerdom.

[Paul McEnery]

It's how Paul will one day take over the world. Or at least nerdom.

Darn. My cunning plan has been spotted.

On the plus side, that's two more down, and only another 6 billion to go.

[Sean Whitmore]

It's how Paul will one day take over the world. Or at least nerdom.

My, that's dashed clever of him.


SEAN

[Michael P]

If I ever come across yellow trash, I'll let you know how they act

http://images.art.com/images/-/Bart-Simpson---Eat-My-Shorts-Poster-C10099745.jpeg

[mattx110]

http://images.art.com/images/-/Bart-Simpson---Eat-My-Shorts-Poster-C10099745.jpeg
Stop peddling your child pornography !!!!

Damn you Groening! Greoning? aww, crap... Damn you Matt!

[Pinball]

... Damn you Matt!
Well hell, Mattiggers now?

Okay...what's with people calling black people "African-American" while in the same sentence calling white people "white"? C'mon, use "black", or use "Euro-American". Pick a syntax and stick with it!

[Pinball]

Back on topic, why do people feel the need to say "vanilla ice cream"?
BECAUSE VANILLA ICE CREAM IS NOT PLAIN!!!!!!

Sorry... touchy subject.
Go to a Stone Cold Creamery, they know the difference between plain ice cream and vanilla ice cream.

And white chocolate ice cream, for that matter.

[mattx110]

Go to a Stone Cold Creamery, they know the difference between plain ice cream and vanilla ice cream.

And white chocolate ice cream, for that matter.
I think the one near me closed...

They were only open for a few months but I dunno... I like to pay less than my wages for a week for a sundae.

[The Xenos]

The thing about 'wigger' is that it has white people mixed with a certain racial slur for black people. I have used it before because it points out a form of racism in that a bunch of usually rich or suburbian well to do white kids think they're acting 'black' because they act like thugs and 'gansta' due to certain performers in hip hop and rap culture.

Meanwhile, I more often use the term 'wapanese' to describe another example of this. It's white kids who emulate a little bit of Japanese culture they've discovered, usually due to anime fandom. They become excessive Japanophiles, often with little knowlege of Japan. Though certainly I've run into not just white kids doing this. So I more often I used the derivation term 'weeaboo'. (It's based on a Perry Bible Fellowship and a time when a forum, as a joke, used a program to change every use of the term Wapanese to Weeaboo.)

[Ben Morgan]

Go to a Stone Cold Creamery, they know the difference between plain ice cream and vanilla ice cream.

And white chocolate ice cream, for that matter.Don't you mean Cold Stone? Unless you're talking about the ice cream shop that Stone Cold Steve Austin opened up
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Stone_Cold_Steve_Austin.jpg/200px-Stone_Cold_Steve_Austin.jpg

[Michael P]

The thing about 'wigger' is that it has white people mixed with a certain racial slur for black people. I have used it before because it points out a form of racism in that a bunch of usually rich or suburbian well to do white kids think they're acting 'black' because they act like thugs and 'gansta' due to certain performers in hip hop and rap culture.

Meanwhile, I more often use the term 'wapanese' to describe another example of this. It's white kids who emulate a little bit of Japanese culture they've discovered, usually due to anime fandom. They become excessive Japanophiles, often with little knowlege of Japan. Though certainly I've run into not just white kids doing this. So I more often I used the derivation term 'weeaboo'. (It's based on a Perry Bible Fellowship and a time when a forum, as a joke, used a program to change every use of the term Wapanese to Weeaboo.)

I just call them "fucking otaku twits." And it seems to get the gist across well enough.

[mattx110]

I just call them "fucking otaku twits." And it seems to get the gist across well enough.
I just avoid that section of Barnes and Noble.

Go to Japan and they all love American crap the same way... They could just trade taste and we'd get Americans reading american comics again.

[Michael P]

I just avoid that section of Barnes and Noble.

I can't. It's right next to the SF and American comics.

Besides, there's good manga there. I've got nothing against manga or anime. It's their fucking fans I can't stand.

[mattx110]

I can't. It's right next to the SF and American comics.

Besides, there's good manga there. I've got nothing against manga or anime. It's their fucking fans I can't stand.
Y'know, in Barnes and Noble there is a section of leather-bound hardcover "Classics". And it had a big Doug Adams book along with Mark Twain and Jane Austen and all that.

I tried to take a picture of it with my cell phone, but it's a crappy camera. It warmed my heart a little.

[Xevious]

TPT is my replacement for white trash. even if you don't live in a trailer park it can apply. nothing against respectable people who find living in a trailer home pleasant though.

[Paradox]

Paul McEnery should give us a recipe:

though god knows my Japanese-Mexican roommate who desperately wanted to be all gangsta -- a yigger-migger?

That sounds like a drink name...

"I'll have a Chivas, he'll have a Yigger-Migger and she wants a Sex on the Beach."

[Paradox]

The Xenos mentions one:

Meanwhile, I more often use the term 'wapanese' to describe another example of this. It's white kids who emulate a little bit of Japanese culture they've discovered, usually due to anime fandom. They become excessive Japanophiles, often with little knowlege of Japan.

http://z.about.com/d/movies/1/0/1/N/sammlevine.jpg

"Whassup, my yellow bruthas!"

[Xevious]

myigger? ymigger?
Has anyone brought up the illustrious sand-nigger yet? They rock. It's like a super offensive racial slur that's only used by people who themselves can only be referred to as a racial slur.

[Paul McEnery]

That sounds like a drink name...

"I'll have a Chivas, he'll have a Yigger-Migger and she wants a Sex on the Beach."

I think you're thinking about the other kind of Asian gangsta wannabes, the Chivatos.

[Sean Whitmore]

myigger? ymigger?
Has anyone brought up the illustrious sand-nigger yet? They rock. It's like a super offensive racial slur that's only used by people who themselves can only be referred to as a racial slur.

That's a crazy one. You've not only got the guy using a racist slur for middle easterners, but just so there's no misunderstanding, he's gonna let you know he hates black people at the same time. Like, he couldn't even wait long enough to use two different insults, he has to get them both out at the same time or his head would explode.


SEAN

[maczero]

That's a crazy one. You've not only got the guy using a racist slur for middle easterners, but just so there's no misunderstanding, he's gonna let you know he hates black people at the same time. Like, he couldn't even wait long enough to use two different insults, he has to get them both out at the same time or his head would explode.


SEANYeah, I saw that one on Urban Dictionary a few weeks ago and came to the same conclusion. I recently heard another variation on this to describe eskimos.

[Kid Omega]

That's a crazy one. You've not only got the guy using a racist slur for middle easterners, but just so there's no misunderstanding, he's gonna let you know he hates black people at the same time. Like, he couldn't even wait long enough to use two different insults, he has to get them both out at the same time or his head would explode.


SEAN

Well, there was a long time when "nigger" was used to describe huge groups of people, not just Africans. Any middle-easterners, Indians, any aboriginal people... hell, even the Irish.

Despite what people seem to think, the word did not begin in the American South, and has been used to insult many more people than just ethnic Negroids.

So it's possible that's a leftover from a time when Middle-eastern folks were called "niggers", and just tagged to be more specific.

[Xevious]

When I was in high school I was the only black kid in my class of 700 kids (authors note: there were seven of us in a school of about 3,000) and the trade center bombings were the first I had heard that word used and it blew my mind wide open. Cause the guy who said it turned to me and said "no offense man, I don't hate black people. Just those sand-niggers I want them all to die." and I had no words for him.

[Alex]

Yeah, I saw that one on Urban Dictionary a few weeks ago and came to the same conclusion. I recently heard another variation on this to describe eskimos.

I just call those guys assholes.
They will be the death of us all, because no one expects the eskimos.

[Magneto X]

myigger? ymigger?
Has anyone brought up the illustrious sand-nigger yet? They rock. It's like a super offensive racial slur that's only used by people who themselves can only be referred to as a racial slur.

When I was in high school I was the only black kid in my class of 700 kids (authors note: there were seven of us in a school of about 3,000) and the trade center bombings were the first I had heard that word used and it blew my mind wide open. Cause the guy who said it turned to me and said "no offense man, I don't hate black people. Just those sand-niggers I want them all to die." and I had no words for him.

Yeah, see. "Sand nigger? No offense, man."

That's an asshole.

And saying "wigger" which is obviously closely related to "white nigger",
nobody's convinced me yet why that's so much better than "sand nigger."

The thing about 'wigger' is that it has white people mixed with a certain racial slur for black people. I have used it before because it points out a form of racism in that a bunch of usually rich or suburbian well to do white kids think they're acting 'black' because they act like thugs and 'gansta' due to certain performers in hip hop and rap culture.

This is a cultural phenomenon. And it deserves a word.
It seems people want and need a word that means a white person who emmulates black culture. Wigger is the only one they know, so they use it. I'm going to try to promote a new term.

[BoosterBronze]

This is a cultural phenomenon. And it deserves a word.
It seems people want and need a word that means a white person who emmulates black culture. Wigger is the only one they know, so they use it. I'm going to try to promote a new term.

White kids who deeply embrace commercially produced hip hop culture (and in my opinion black kids, asian kids, indian kids, american indian kids, and swedes who embrace commercial hip hop culture) already have a great term. It's called 'douchebag.'

[BoosterBronze]

I've always been dissapointed in Mexican people who try and embrace German culture. Nothing worse than a big latino guy in leiderhosen and one of those little hats with a feather. We call them Beaner-Shnitzels.

[mattx110]

It's how Paul will one day take over the world. Or at least nerdom.
I'm addicted, but I know that he's toxic.

[Rabid Trekkie]

I'm addicted, but I know that he's toxic.

I don't know which is worse, you making a Britney Spears song reference or me knowing you made a Britney Spears song reference.

[mattx110]

me knowing you made a Britney Spears song reference.
You're not that innocent.

[Rabid Trekkie]

You're not that innocent.

Don't make me have to hit you one more time.

[mattx110]

Don't make me have to hit you one more time.
Crap... You used my last one.

If I wanna continue I need to insert a quarter and look up quotes from the movie "Crossroads"...

[Rabid Trekkie]

Crap... You used my last one.

If I wanna continue I need to insert a quarter and look up quotes from the movie "Crossroads"...

I'm so lucky.

I feel the need to do something extremely manly now, like become a lumberjack so I'm okay.

[mattx110]

I'm so lucky.

I feel the need to do something extremely manly now, like become a lumberjack so I'm okay.
Just don't let the other lumberjacks judge you based on the size of your log.

Instead, show them the shape of your heart.

(yeah I went there, Backstreets back).

[Magneto X]

Just don't let the other lumberjacks judge you based on the size of your log.

Instead, show them the shape of your heart.

(yeah I went there, Backstreets back).

Okay. Just stop. Even wigger is preferable to this. :rolleyes:

[Rabid Trekkie]

Just don't let the other lumberjacks judge you based on the size of your log.

Instead, show them the shape of your heart.

(yeah I went there, Backstreets back).

I'm just going to have to say bye, bye, bye, to you.

[Rabid Trekkie]

Okay. Just stop. Even wigger is preferable to this. :rolleyes:

So racial slurs are better than annoying pop songs? Can't say I really disagree. :D

[IamtheRock3]

I dont use them

But imagine it not that much differnce between calling a thugisih black guy

GHETTOE, or Gangsta, or THUGISH

heck oriely does it.

Dont think someone would get that mad if you said they were acting GHETTOE as they would if you use the N word

[mattx110]

I'm just going to have to say bye, bye, bye, to you.
It feels like something's heating up, can I leave with you?

[mattx110]

I dont use them

But imagine it not that much differnce between calling a thugisih black guy

GHETTOE, or Gangsta, or THUGISH

heck oriely does it.

Dont think someone would get that mad if you said they were acting GHETTOE as they would if you use the N word
keep an ontopic smokescreen going so the mods don't notice me and trekkie.

k thx go gl hf. ;)

[Rabid Trekkie]

It feels like something's heating up, can I leave with you?

Okay, I'm out. I used my last one on the NSync joke, for any more I'd have to raid my sisters cds and I'd rather not.

[mattx110]

Okay, I'm out. I used my last one on the NSync joke, for any more I'd have to raid my sisters cds and I'd rather not.
Well... I guess we're gonna have to call a truce then. Any longer and we probably risk being banned for corruption of a community forum or something.

[Matt Algren]

I'm just going to have to say bye, bye, bye, to you.
Come on, Trekkie. Quit playing games with his heart.

[mattx110]

Come on, Trekkie. Quit playing games with his heart.
I'm sensing a remix coming... :o

[The Xenos]

http://z.about.com/d/movies/1/0/1/N/sammlevine.jpg

"Whassup, my yellow bruthas!"

Ha. Actually, I have a friend who sells custom ninja headbands at conventions. So.. wow.. that's actually a fairly accurate portrait with what he sees. Then again, these weeaboos are giving him money, so..

I just call them "fucking otaku twits." And it seems to get the gist across well enough.

Well, that's another thing. These idiots think otaku = anime fan. No it doesn't! Grr. That's what idiot American fans think. In Japan, otaku means any kind of nerd and hobby enthusiast. For example, when I was in Japan, a Japanese friend of a friend asked if I was camera otaku because of the camera I had with me. You also have military otaku, train otaku, and I guess you could even say sports otaku. (Go Hanshin Tigers!)

Never mind 'otaku' got picked up by the Japanese news media like idiot American media loves tossing around Columbine, trenchcoats, and video games like Doom. It was due to one sick obsessed porn manga fan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Miyazaki) who was a serial killer who killed a bunch of kids. So when they talk about being otaku and don't know the history or meaning of the word in Japan, that bugs the crap outta me.

This is a cultural phenomenon. And it deserves a word.
It seems people want and need a word that means a white person who emmulates black culture. Wigger is the only one they know, so they use it. I'm going to try to promote a new term.

White chocolate? Imitation dark meat? Slightly toasted marshmallows?

Dammit. Now I'm hungry.

[Xevious]

See I have no problem with non black people trying to emulate what they see in hip hop videos. The problem comes when they try to portray themselves as something they're not. I have a problem with black people that try to act hood when they've never been anywhere near poverty level or had to be involved in that situation. I don't act like a thug cause I wasn't raised to be one. My girlfriend, however, is straight out of the hood and acts like it. People that know us often make jokes about how something went wrong with our races and they got reversed or something.

[Kid Omega]

Well, that's another thing. These idiots think otaku = anime fan. No it doesn't! Grr. That's what idiot American fans think. In Japan, otaku means any kind of nerd and hobby enthusiast. For example, when I was in Japan, a Japanese friend of a friend asked if I was camera otaku because of the camera I had with me. You also have military otaku, train otaku, and I guess you could even say sports otaku. (Go Hanshin Tigers!)


Well, in the same way you could use "sports nerd" for a major sports fan, you can get specific with "otaku".

But here in the states, it's a specific reference to anime and manga fans. It has nothing to do with people being "idiots", and everything to do with what's called "borrowed language". It happens with words in every culture. If it really pisses you off that much, take it up with the organizers of OTAKON.

So chill out. The above example of angry nerd dick-measuring is only showing off how much of an otaku you are.

[BoosterBronze]

Ha. Actually, I have a friend who sells custom ninja headbands at conventions. So.. wow.. that's actually a fairly accurate portrait with what he sees. Then again, these weeaboos are giving him money, so..


Yeah, but to be fair, they want to be NINJAS, not Japanese. They're not trying to look like a certain style of Japanese person. NINJAS are awesome, and transcend racial, ethnic, or religious lines. Look at "Zen: Intergalactic Ninja."

[Rabid Trekkie]

Come on, Trekkie. Quit playing games with his heart.

I'm teaching him the meaning of being lonely.

(yeah so I decided to look through my sister's old cds)

[Dan Apodaca]

Yeah, but to be fair, they want to be NINJAS, not Japanese. They're not trying to look like a certain style of Japanese person. NINJAS are awesome, and transcend racial, ethnic, or religious lines. Look at "Zen: Intergalactic Ninja."

You were doing so well, until you mentioned Zen.

Then you totally blew it forever.

[kmeyers]

Wow, if you really want a good white trash goodbye....

Look to The Misfits Die Die My Darling.

P.S.

I'm from Missouri. White Trash Central.

[The Xenos]

Yeah, but to be fair, they want to be NINJAS, not Japanese. They're not trying to look like a certain style of Japanese person. NINJAS are awesome, and transcend racial, ethnic, or religious lines. Look at "Zen: Intergalactic Ninja."

Lame. We all know One Piece and pirates are better. I made sure to get the pirate headband from my friend.