FIRST LOOK: "Mighty Avengers" #6

[andy khouri]

Courtesy of Marvel, CBR brings you an exclusive first look at pages from next week's "Mighty Avengers" #6, artist Frank Cho's final issue on the Brian Bendis-penned series.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12583

[Cayman]

Courtesy of Marvel, CBR brings you an exclusive first look at pages from next week's "Mighty Avengers" #6, artist Frank Cho's final issue on the Brian Bendis-penned series.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12583

Looks like it will have been worth the wait.

[Slyfer]

Finally Sentry will throw away the girly- weak- puny- attitude (no offence to the ladies).

[CaptainCanada]

Looks pretty cool. Bendis can write a tense story, if he'd just learn to cut out the fat in the middle of his arcs.

[Tobias Drake]

Any idea how they plan on catching up to NA after the massive delays?

[Fatguy]

I am SO excited for this.

Sad that Cho is leaving :( But, I'm looking forward to getting more Mighty Avengers ;)

[Blader5489]

Any idea how they plan on catching up to NA after the massive delays?

MA will ship twice a month.

[Tobias Drake]

MA will ship twice a month.

...I have all of two words for that and both of them are WOOT! :D

[TotalWorldDomination]

MA will ship twice a month.

Has this been confirmed? I thought it was just a fan rumor.

Well, it looks like MA's ramp up continues. I've been loving cho's art and the storyline thus far (despite my growing lack of caring about the thought balloons) but I'm still glad Cho is being replaced. I read comics first for the story, then for the art, so I'd prefer a book that ships on time.

On a related note, I feel terrible for this book. Had it shipped monthly, I'd wager it'd be selling like New Avengers by now.

[CaptainCanada]

Has this been confirmed? I thought it was just a fan rumor.

#7 and 8 are both coming in January; only #9 is solicited for February, though, completing Bagley's arc.

[bjtrdff]

It does look badass. The delays have really hurt it, but I really think that once it's caught up, and we have this and NA shipping every other week and, to some degree, overlapping with each other in ways, it's going to be fantastic.

[Kefky]

I want a Mini-Ares ongoing.

[schmevil]

LOL at Hank.

"Will he die in horrible fashions X, Y or turn into goo? That I cannot say."

"It's all math."

[Tusko]

Mmmm Meaty Avengers.

[mlcm]

I love Cho so much, but the delays have been incredible. What a mix up: put the fastest writer with one of the slowest pencillers. You may as well have put Hitch on Mighty Avengers!

All kidding aside, I love Bendis and love The Avengers. I don't think I've been as interested in comics since... ever!

[Shyft]

The Sentry is badass.

[Pwood]

So, any reason why Pym is in the Ant-Man suit instead of his Yellowjacket garb? Currently he is in Avengers: The Initiative with the Yellowjacekt suit. Why not just stick with that? And yes, I understand that the helmet makes a difference.

[Fatguy]

Because, Ant-Man costume >>> Yellowjacket costume!

[Pwood]

Because, Ant-Man costume >>> Yellowjacket costume!

Whatev! But we're still friends! Happy 4,000th post!

[Monty_Cristo]

i hope he dies in that ant-man costume. it would serve him right for undercutting all of the better ant-men.

[Fatguy]

Whatev! But we're still friends! Happy 4,000th post!

haha thanks! I didnt even notice...

i hope he dies in that ant-man costume. it would serve him right for undercutting all of the better ant-men.

LOL Though I admit I didnt like Scott Lang OR Eric O'Grady...

[Pwood]

Well, at any rate, I like all of Pym's costumes. Just wondering about this one in particular...

[DeadXMan]

i hope he dies in that ant-man costume. it would serve him right for undercutting all of the better ant-men.

yeah, Scott is probably spinning in the crater where the Mansion was.

Eddie is below hank

and Maybe Tony should of review these tapes of a pissed off sentry BEFORE he told him to play God

[Mark_S]

Darn. It looks like Ultron is going to loose.:evilangry
Oh well. Maybe next time.

Mark_S

[Monty_Cristo]

Darn. It looks like Ultron is going to loose.:evilangry
Oh well. Maybe next time.

Mark_S

Ultron seems to be winning in Annihilation. but, yeah, Ultranny is going to lose big time. i just hope she kills Pym before making her exit.

[TotalWorldDomination]

Ultron seems to be winning in Annihilation. but, yeah, Ultranny is going to lose big time. i just hope she kills Pym before making her exit.

Pym's death is an impossibility at this point (unless the Skrulls can seamlessly grab his body and pop in a replacement) since this arc takes place at the VERY beginning of the Initiative Era.

[Monty_Cristo]

Pym's death is an impossibility at this point (unless the Skrulls can seamlessly grab his body and pop in a replacement) since this arc takes place at the VERY beginning of the Initiative Era.

well, then we're left with 2 options. Pym's a skrull. or Pym's a guy who would cover up the death of a young man with no superpowers because he was accidentally killed at a training facility he worked at. plus, he's the kind of guy who would help clone said-youngster.

[Jackob]

Ultron seems to be winning in Annihilation. but, yeah, Ultranny is going to lose big time. i just hope she kills Pym before making her exit.

single greatest name of all time

[Red Lotus]

I can't say how happy I am that Cho is leaving this book. I clicked on the link then I didn't even care enough to look at the pages.

[mlcm]

Who's on the title after Bagley? Do we know yet?

I'm not the world's biggest fan of Bagley. He just doesn't wow me at all. Let's get JRjr on this title.

[pryde15]

Did it really need 6 issues to tell this story? lol just wondering but this could have been easily told in like 3-4.

and HEY don't diss Pym! :evilangry

[Bulky Brent]

Did it really need 6 issues to tell this story? lol just wondering but this could have been easily told in like 3-4.

and HEY don't diss Pym! :evilangry
Yeah I hear you It's only because it's the first arc.

[pryde15]

Yeah I hear you It's only because it's the first arc.

True, but if they wanted for something spectacular they probably should've thought of something else, because this Ultron story has been kind of boring.

[Monty_Cristo]

Did it really need 6 issues to tell this story? lol just wondering but this could have been easily told in like 3-4.

and HEY don't diss Pym! :evilangry

'diss' him?! i want to remove his head with a miter saw! :mad:

[pryde15]

'diss' him?! i want to remove his head with a miter saw! :mad:

:confused:

I think I might be one of the only people who actually likes Hank.

[Monty_Cristo]

:confused:

I think I might be one of the only people who actually likes Hank.

oh there are plenty of Pym fans. and you've been added to THE LIST! *cue organ music*

[pryde15]

oh there are plenty of Pym fans. and you've been added to THE LIST! *cue organ music*

:o

lol it sounds suspensful

[CaptainCanada]

Who's on the title after Bagley? Do we know yet?

I'm not the world's biggest fan of Bagley. He just doesn't wow me at all. Let's get JRjr on this title.
Not known, but it isn't Romita; he's doing Kick-Ass with Mark Millar.

[Joe Franklin]

Any idea how they plan on catching up to NA after the massive delays?

Honestly, I don't even care. I despise the continuity police this much. I hope and pray for delays every month, just so the continuity police can get all riled up. Am I evil for this?:D

[Omega Alpha]

Honestly, I don't even care. I despise the continuity police this much. I hope and pray for delays every month, just so the continuity police can get all riled up. Am I evil for this?:D

Evil is not exactly the word.

And after Bagley, Jimmy Cheung will be doing some issues.

[Pwood]

Let's get JRjr on this title.

Eh. Let's not.

[Joe Franklin]

Evil is not exactly the word.

And after Bagley, Jimmy Cheung will be doing some issues.

Maybe a-hole is a better word then.:D

And Cheung on art would make me very happy.:)

[CaptainCanada]

And after Bagley, Jimmy Cheung will be doing some issues.
No, he's doing New Avengers.

[themanwiththehair]

Anyone else hoping for a bit of a Void appearence now that sentry seems close to loosing it?:D Gotta love the way the series has been written, with everyone second guessing themselves in thought bubbles etc. Very nicely done;)

[Omega Alpha]

Maybe a-hole is a better word then.:D


It's closer to the truth, yeah:p

[Monty_Cristo]

Anyone else hoping for a bit of a Void appearence now that sentry seems close to loosing it?:D Gotta love the way the series has been written, with everyone second guessing themselves in thought bubbles etc. Very nicely done;)

i'm hoping that the Void returns, beats the living hell out of the Hood, and steals his gang.

[Fatguy]

Eh. Let's not.

OooOoooh now he's gonna kick your ass at the next convention!

[Pwood]

OooOoooh now he's gonna kick your ass at the next convention!

Or give me a verbal "beat down". lawl.

[Pwood]

Looks like the virus is going to work...

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/newavengers/Initiative/Bendis/MIGHTAVN006012_col.jpg

[Red Lotus]

Did it really need 6 issues to tell this story? lol just wondering but this could have been easily told in like 3-4.

and HEY don't diss Pym! :evilangry

The problem is its 6 issue in 10 months. That kills a book like this.

[Tobias Drake]

The problem is its 6 issue in 10 months. That kills a book like this.

In related news, I can't wait until Bagley comes aboard.

[Exo]

Pym's not a skrull. A skrull wouldn't be addicted to anti-depression pills.

i'm hoping that the Void returns, beats the living hell out of the Hood, and steals his gang.

I want Tristram Silver to do that.

[Crimson]

i'm hoping that the Void returns, beats the living hell out of the Hood, and steals his gang.

The Void shouldn't return for another few years... play down on Sentry's problems and wait for everyone to forget them.

I don't see the point in having him go crazy when he hasn't shut about about the fact he might go crazy yet.

It'll mean more.

[rajincajun689]

Well that only took 9 months...

[streator]

looks good. i'm glad that it's finally coming out too.

[Mark_S]

Pym's not a skrull. A skrull wouldn't be addicted to anti-depression pills.





Unless of course those are what he is taking. Maybe they are just sugar pills to help the skrull in character.

Mark_S

[Exo]

Unless of course those are what he is taking. Maybe they are just sugar pills to help the skrull in character.

Mark_S

Really? What's next? Acting lessons?

I'd rather think he dopes up on medication because he needs it. And he calls up his ex-wife and hangs up the moment after because he's a loser (not to stay in character).

[Monty_Cristo]

Unless of course those are what he is taking. Maybe they are just sugar pills to help the skrull in character.

Mark_S

then why would he take them in private?

[Mark_S]

then why would he take them in private?

He might be aware of secret cameras. After all considering the basic principle of the US government in the mu is paranoia I'm sure everyone is being spied on every minute of their lives. Especially superheroes.

Mark_S

[Monty_Cristo]

He might be aware of secret cameras. After all considering the basic principle of the US government in the mu is paranoia I'm sure everyone is being spied on every minute of their lives. Especially superheroes.

Mark_S

then he would take them in public and not bother to take them in private. and, if there are cameras everywhere, why was Hank spying on the kids?

[TotalWorldDomination]

well, then we're left with 2 options. Pym's a skrull. or Pym's a guy who would cover up the death of a young man with no superpowers because he was accidentally killed at a training facility he worked at. plus, he's the kind of guy who would help clone said-youngster.



I'll go with number 2. Contrary to American belief, the cover up is not always worse then the crime- sometimes it's in everyones best interest.

To quote the Good Baron, some of my best friends have been clones. Plus, he already created a clone/cyborg of a god who was a close friend for over a decade (in marvel time). Cloning some kid from the south who you met once is a ethical cakewalk.

[TotalWorldDomination]

then he would take them in public and not bother to take them in private. and, if there are cameras everywhere, why was Hank spying on the kids?

Fun? Dramatic Effect? And lets not forget there is nothing quite like reminding the kids that you can be anywhere at any time...

[Monty_Cristo]

I'll go with number 2. Contrary to American belief, the cover up is not always worse then the crime- sometimes it's in everyones best interest.

To quote the Good Baron, some of my best friends have been clones. Plus, he already created a clone/cyborg of a god who was a close friend for over a decade (in marvel time). Cloning some kid from the south who you met once is a ethical cakewalk.

Thor didn't have a dad who entrusted the Initiative with the safety of his son. shouldn't Mr. Van Patrick know that his son was killed?

[TotalWorldDomination]

Thor didn't have a dad who entrusted the Initiative with the safety of his son. shouldn't Mr. Van Patrick know that his son was killed?

His son can't be dead, his son is living with him right now. It's ethically shady from there perspective, but the good barron and Hank Pym admirably "Fixed" the situation. MVP is back with his family- he's got all of MVP's memories, DNA, skills, hopes, dreams, and for all intents and purposes, he's the exact same thing as the original MVP. Except that he's not dead. At this point, the only thing that telling Mr. Van Patrick would do would be to A) harm the Van Patrick Family, B) Harm the initiative and by extension, superhuman preparedness in the US, C) possibly bring 2 innocent super powered children (Trauma and Armory) up on charges (and there immediate supervisors) and D) distroy the life of that clone who's family may reject him as a freak. Think of how mopey and emo ben riely was. We don't need any more of that. ;)

[Monty_Cristo]

His son can't be dead, his son is living with him right now. It's ethically shady from there perspective, but the good barron and Hank Pym admirably "Fixed" the situation. MVP is back with his family- he's got all of MVP's memories, DNA, skills, hopes, dreams, and for all intents and purposes, he's the exact same thing as the original MVP. Except that he's not dead.

that's what they thought about Clor until he went apesht. sometimes, nature plays tricks on people who screw with it.

[TotalWorldDomination]

that's what they thought about Clor until he went apesht. sometimes, nature plays tricks on people who screw with it.

it's a point, but then again, I'd imagine that cloning MVP was a sight easier then cloning thor. Clor went out of control because they were rebuilding him without knowing 100% how he worked (hense all the electronics). MVP is the perfect human specimen. I'm sure they worked out the kinks. If he goes nuts and kills Tom Foster, I'll owe you a coke :D

[CyberHubbs]

I'm actually a little sad that the Baron is not exactly evil, albeit unethical. Kept wondering when he'd slap on Armory's gauntlet, inject himself with a super soldier serum cultivated from MVP's blood, and start kicking butt. But with the Hydra Congressman, guess we now have our actual honest to goodness villain present.

[vitruvian]

Contrary to American belief, the cover up is not always worse then the crime- sometimes it's in everyones best interest.

How would covering up MVP's death be in anybody's best interest except Gyrich and his cronies? Either MVP's death was just an unfortunate accident, or Gyrich and the training regimen he's instituted in Stamford are somehow at fault. In the first instance, there's nothing to cover up, is there; in the latter case, should not Gyrich be held accountable by the family and the public, possibly to be replaced by somebody less incompetent or corrupt?

His son can't be dead, his son is living with him right now. It's ethically shady from there perspective, but the good barron and Hank Pym admirably "Fixed" the situation. MVP is back with his family- he's got all of MVP's memories, DNA, skills, hopes, dreams, and for all intents and purposes, he's the exact same thing as the original MVP. Except that he's not dead. At this point, the only thing that telling Mr. Van Patrick would do would be to A) harm the Van Patrick Family, B) Harm the initiative and by extension, superhuman preparedness in the US, C) possibly bring 2 innocent super powered children (Trauma and Armory) up on charges (and there immediate supervisors) and D) distroy the life of that clone who's family may reject him as a freak. Think of how mopey and emo ben riely was. We don't need any more of that.

Complete bollocks. MVP is dead, and his family has a right to know. A replacement is not the same thing as the original, and you know this yourself, unless you could honestly state that in a world with cloning and memory recordings, you would willingly submit yourself (or *your* children) to execution, providing there were clones waiting in the wings to take your place.

[xarathos]

The first issue came out in March. You guys are telling me #6 isn't out yet?

Oy.

[Monty_Cristo]

it's a point, but then again, I'd imagine that cloning MVP was a sight easier then cloning thor. Clor went out of control because they were rebuilding him without knowing 100% how he worked (hense all the electronics). MVP is the perfect human specimen. I'm sure they worked out the kinks. If he goes nuts and kills Tom Foster, I'll owe you a coke :D

if they had the kinks worked out, the real MVP wouldn't be smirking in some lab tub as his clones act of their own accord.

[Mark_S]

His son can't be dead, his son is living with him right now. It's ethically shady from there perspective, but the good barron and Hank Pym admirably "Fixed" the situation. MVP is back with his family- he's got all of MVP's memories, DNA, skills, hopes, dreams, and for all intents and purposes, he's the exact same thing as the original MVP. Except that he's not dead. At this point, the only thing that telling Mr. Van Patrick would do would be to A) harm the Van Patrick Family, B) Harm the initiative and by extension, superhuman preparedness in the US, C) possibly bring 2 innocent super powered children (Trauma and Armory) up on charges (and there immediate supervisors) and D) distroy the life of that clone who's family may reject him as a freak. Think of how mopey and emo ben riely was. We don't need any more of that. ;)


But it is a lie. The first MVP is dead. And when the truth comes out, in months or years, the pain will be far worse. The longer a lie goes on the worse the pain will be when the truth is found out. And unfortunately based on what we've seen from marvel so far there will not be any consequences for Hank or anyone else at the Initiative.

Mark_S

[Monty_Cristo]

But it is a lie. The first MVP is dead. And when the truth comes out, in months or years, the pain will be far worse. The longer a lie goes on the worse the pain will be when the truth is found out. And unfortunately based on what we've seen from marvel so far there will not be any consequences for Hank or anyone else at the Initiative.

Mark_S

i'm thinking there will be consequences. at least two solicits have promised them. first, "Pym makes the greatest mistake of his superhero career." secondly, "Killed in Action, part 3 of 4 For some time you've known the secret of the Scarlet Spiders. Now here's what happens when Cloud 9 finds out! Just how will the Initiative's resident headcase react to Michael, Van, and Patrick?"

[TotalWorldDomination]

Complete bollocks. MVP is dead, and his family has a right to know. A replacement is not the same thing as the original, and you know this yourself, unless you could honestly state that in a world with cloning and memory recordings, you would willingly submit yourself (or *your* children) to execution, providing there were clones waiting in the wings to take your place.

I would never submit myself willingly to such a thing, because it would'nt be me. It would be a copy of me. However from an cold hard truths perspective, if the "truth" never got out, I'm the only one it would matter to. If tomorrow someone I loved was replaced by an exact copy that had all the originals memories and thought they WERE the original, and I never found out, it would make no difference to me.

Think about it, right now everyone you know could have been killed, cloned and replaced and so long as you don't know it happened, life will continue on exactly as before.

Ignorance IS bliss.

if they had the kinks worked out, the real MVP wouldn't be smirking in some lab tub as his clones act of their own accord.

That's cause there damn near perfect clones. They can think for themselves, and isn't that what we want from heroes? Independent thought?

But it is a lie. The first MVP is dead. And when the truth comes out, in months or years, the pain will be far worse. The longer a lie goes on the worse the pain will be when the truth is found out. And unfortunately based on what we've seen from marvel so far there will not be any consequences for Hank or anyone else at the Initiative.

Mark_S

i'm thinking there will be consequences. at least two solicits have promised them. first, "Pym makes the greatest mistake of his superhero career." secondly, "Killed in Action, part 3 of 4 For some time you've known the secret of the Scarlet Spiders. Now here's what happens when Cloud 9 finds out! Just how will the Initiative's resident headcase react to Michael, Van, and Patrick?"

Hopefully the truth will never come out. it'd be better for everyone that way. Unfortunately there will be, cause marvel writers hate the initiative. But until then, I'll enjoy the ride.

Plus it looks like something... not good... happened to the Van Patrick family after the good Baron and Hank gave them there son back. after all Justice found the family farm deserted. I'd bet Senator Woodman and his Hydra buddies got to them...

[Monty_Cristo]

I would never submit myself willingly to such a thing, because it would'nt be me. It would be a copy of me. However from an cold hard truths perspective, if the "truth" never got out, I'm the only one it would matter to.


guess it ultimately depends on a person's religious beliefs.


That's cause there damn near perfect clones. They can think for themselves, and isn't that what we want from heroes? Independent thought?

it's not what Gyrich wants. and i doubt it's a priority to the Baron.

[TotalWorldDomination]

guess it ultimately depends on a person's religious beliefs.

No matter who you are being killed and replaced by a clone is going to be creepy. ;)


it's not what Gyrich wants. and i doubt it's a priority to the Baron.

I imagine the Baron's priority is to make clones as perfect as possible, thus resulting in them having independent thought.

[XPac]

I would never submit myself willingly to such a thing, because it would'nt be me. It would be a copy of me. However from an cold hard truths perspective, if the "truth" never got out, I'm the only one it would matter to. If tomorrow someone I loved was replaced by an exact copy that had all the originals memories and thought they WERE the original, and I never found out, it would make no difference to me.

Think about it, right now everyone you know could have been killed, cloned and replaced and so long as you don't know it happened, life will continue on exactly as before.

Ignorance IS bliss.





Maybe... but isn't the point that the family has a right to know? Ignorance may be bliss, but it's hardly a legal or ethical justification for anything.

[streator]

i missed something, the line about tony no longer being human, was that due to whatever happened in ellis' extremis arc?

if so, i need to pick that up.

[dabig2]

WonderMan is such a damn skrull. That safari-jacket wearing skrull!

[a-spidey]

Wow, looks great. I really like Cho's art, too bad it's the last book for now from him.

[DeadXMan]

i missed something, the line about tony no longer being human, was that due to whatever happened in ellis' extremis arc?

if so, i need to pick that up.

No, Tony hasn't been Human by definition for quite sometime.:evilsmile
Ask the NA and the NW
;)

[TotalWorldDomination]

Maybe... but isn't the point that the family has a right to know? Ignorance may be bliss, but it's hardly a legal or ethical justification for anything.

It's not remotely a legal or ethical justification. It's a rationalization. They need to protect the Initative, and this way "No one gets hurt" if everything goes according to plan.

It's not going to go according to plan, but that's just the state of the MU...

[vitruvian]

It's not remotely a legal or ethical justification. It's a rationalization. They need to protect the Initative, and this way "No one gets hurt" if everything goes according to plan.

Just curious - are you of the opinion that the US would be better off had Woodward and Bernstein been assassinated?

[TotalWorldDomination]

Just curious - are you of the opinion that the US would be better off had Woodward and Bernstein been assassinated?

Certainly not. Nixon was actively harming the office of the president. Watergate was no accident, like the death of MVP.

And why would I want them dead? They're good people. It's not like we've got actual clones around here ;)

[Tobias Drake]

Maybe... but isn't the point that the family has a right to know? Ignorance may be bliss, but it's hardly a legal or ethical justification for anything.

"To avoid causing undue suffering to people who don't deserve to suffer, simply because of an accident occuring that nobody could have predicted" sounds like a pretty good ethical justification to me.

[XPac]

"To avoid causing undue suffering to people who don't deserve to suffer, simply because of an accident occuring that nobody could have predicted" sounds like a pretty good ethical justification to me.

Yeah, because that's why Gyrich did this. To protect the family members feelings. I'm sure it had absolutely nothing to do with protecting their own behinds from bad PR (of course, that's ignoring the fact that he basically SAID that's why they're covering it up).

If you think it's justiiable to lie to a family about their son's death and replace them with a clone so they can avoid bad PR, then we can agree to disagree.

[Shyft]

"To avoid causing undue suffering to people who don't deserve to suffer, simply because of an accident occuring that nobody could have predicted" sounds like a pretty good ethical justification to me.

really? i bet there are alot of families of military personel lost in accidents would would disagree with you. Plus the fact he did it so he could clone the kid, not for the protection of anyones feelings.

[Tobias Drake]

There are a lot of reasons for why complicated people do complicated things. No one answer is ever 100% correct. I gave you an ethical justification. It may not be the only reason they did it, but it is A reason to do it.

[mikekerr3]

I'm actually a little sad that the Baron is not exactly evil, albeit unethical. Kept wondering when he'd slap on Armory's gauntlet, inject himself with a super soldier serum cultivated from MVP's blood, and start kicking butt. But with the Hydra Congressman, guess we now have our actual honest to goodness villain present.

We already had villains present:

Pym: Creator of Ultron, criminally responsible for the second anilillation and millions of deaths.

Gyrich: Cloning, mutilation of teenage girl, imprisonment of same girl. And 40 years of being an evil jerk.

Those two make the Baron look like a saint.

[XPac]

There are a lot of reasons for why complicated people do complicated things. No one answer is ever 100% correct. I gave you an ethical justification. It may not be the only reason they did it, but it is A reason to do it.

Gyrich flat out said why he did it. Anything beyond that is just pure speculation.

Show me where Gyrich talks about how he's doing this to prevent the suffering of MVP's family, and I'll at least consider it. Otherwise, I'll go by the rationale we're given in the actual book and judge him accordingly.

[Tobias Drake]

Gyrich flat out said why he did it. Anything beyond that is just pure speculation.

Show me where Gyrich talks about how he's doing this to prevent the suffering of MVP's family, and I'll at least consider it. Otherwise, I'll go by the rationale we're given in the actual book and judge him accordingly.

Gyrich didn't do it single-handedly. He wouldn't know HOW to do it single-handedly. He's a politician, not a super-scientist.

[XPac]

Gyrich didn't do it single-handedly. He wouldn't know HOW to do it single-handedly. He's a politician, not a super-scientist.

No, but he's in charge and he calls the shot. The rest just follow orders and do what he says... which doesn't necessarily get them off the hook. But the point is that his reasons for doing it are the reasons it was done.

[mikekerr3]

There are a lot of reasons for why complicated people do complicated things. No one answer is ever 100% correct. I gave you an ethical justification. It may not be the only reason they did it, but it is A reason to do it.

Covering up deaths is not complicated, cloning people killed because of you imcompetence is not complicated. Cloning a dead then using a clone to decieve parents is not complicated.
These things are Crimes and immoral.

If a organization needs to commit crimes against US citizen to succeed it should fail.

[Monty_Cristo]

Pym's a deuchebag. but, strangely, i don't like him or find him interesting; in the least.

[Tobias Drake]

Pym's a deuchebag. but, strangely, i don't like him or find him interesting; in the least.

Neither do I, actually. Pym...just kinda annoys me at times. I actually prefer Baron von Blitzschlag; at least the nazi is entertainingly evil.

[Monty_Cristo]

Neither do I, actually. Pym...just kinda annoys me at times. I actually prefer Baron von Blitzschlag; at least the nazi is entertainingly evil.

he is, unfortunately, very charming for a nazi piece of garbage.

[Tobias Drake]

he is, unfortunately, very charming for a nazi piece of garbage.

I couldn't have put it better myself.

[Monty_Cristo]

I couldn't have put it better myself.

i almost wish that he'd find some "fountain of youth" formula after dissecting one of the recruits, so he could return as some Initiative-age volt-casting "hero." i kind of want to know what Blitzschlag was like in his prime.

[TotalWorldDomination]

i almost wish that he'd find some "fountain of youth" formula after dissecting one of the recruits, so he could return as some Initiative-age volt-casting "hero." i kind of want to know what Blitzschlag was like in his prime.

I keep hoping Slott will give us a nice flashback of BvB fighting the Liberty Legion or the Invaders in his prime. He's one of the most interesting characters in the Initiative, and I hope we get a shot to see him when he was a 10,000 watt Nazi. It also remains to be seen just how "Nazi" he was. After all, he's based on Werner Von Braun, a twisted little man, but someone who really could have cared less who was running the country so long as his research could continue.

And he's way cooler then Hank Pym. Hanks a moraly troubled good guy- roles that are better filled by both Tony and Reed. the Baron is a moraly superior bad guy- an aged creepy magneto if you will. I say give him a Mini!

[Monty_Cristo]

I keep hoping Slott will give us a nice flashback of BvB fighting the Liberty Legion or the Invaders in his prime. He's one of the most interesting characters in the Initiative, and I hope we get a shot to see him when he was a 10,000 watt Nazi. It also remains to be seen just how "Nazi" he was. After all, he's based on Werner Von Braun, a twisted little man, but someone who really could have cared less who was running the country so long as his research could continue.

And he's way cooler then Hank Pym. Hanks a moraly troubled good guy- roles that are better filled by both Hank and Reed. the Baron is a moraly superior bad guy- an aged creepy magneto if you will. I say give him a Mini!

like i've mentioned, i could totally picture Ian McKellan playing the Baron. well, actually, there are a bunch of character actors i could imagine as the Baron. he'd be one of the easiest members of the Initiative to cast. still, i want to see Kid Blitzschlag. maybe the Baron could clone a younger version of himself and splice in some of Michael Van Patrick's dna; for good measure.

[Tobias Drake]

I keep hoping Slott will give us a nice flashback of BvB fighting the Liberty Legion or the Invaders in his prime. He's one of the most interesting characters in the Initiative, and I hope we get a shot to see him when he was a 10,000 watt Nazi. It also remains to be seen just how "Nazi" he was. After all, he's based on Werner Von Braun, a twisted little man, but someone who really could have cared less who was running the country so long as his research could continue.

And he's way cooler then Hank Pym. Hanks a moraly troubled good guy- roles that are better filled by both Hank and Reed. the Baron is a moraly superior bad guy- an aged creepy magneto if you will. I say give him a Mini!

Sadly, I think if they gave an old, evil nazi a miniseries, parents would be up in arms and there would be mobs with torches and pitchforks storming Marvel's offices.

[TotalWorldDomination]

like i've mentioned, i could totally picture Ian McKellan playing the Baron. well, actually, there are a bunch of character actors i could imagine as the Baron. he'd be one of the easiest members of the Initiative to cast. still, i want to see Kid Blitzschlag. maybe the Baron could clone a younger version of himself and splice in some of Michael Van Patrick's dna; for good measure.

I wouldn't put it past the Baron to give himself a "Heir" to carry on his work when he's gone. Like a twisted superpowered version of Cubert Farnsworth from Futurama.

I'd love to see Ian McKellen play BvB. Ever see Apt Pupil? Not a great movie, but still, it's on the right path. McKellen has played supervillains and Nazi's before- now he just gets to act his age ;)

Sadly, I think if they gave an old, evil nazi a miniseries, parents would be up in arms and there would be mobs with torches and pitchforks storming Marvel's offices.

Hey, they gave several to Barron Zemo and you've got the murdering psycho's of Thunderbolts all over the place. I think BvB could carry his own mini, provided slott or gage pens it.

[Monty_Cristo]

I wouldn't put it past the Baron to give himself a "Heir" to carry on his work when he's gone. Like a twisted superpowered version of Cubert Farnsworth from Futurama.

I'd love to see Ian McKellen play BvB. Ever see Apt Pupil? Not a great movie, but still, it's on the right path. McKellen has played supervillains and Nazi's before- now he just gets to act his age ;)


he also reminds me a little of Christopher Lloyd. but, yeah, i've seen Apt Pupil and Gods & Monsters. i could see the Baron maybe singling out one of the Red Team to be his "favorite" (probably Van). oh wait, this thread was supposed to be about Mighty Avengers. wow, that Pym sure is creepy. ;)

[mikekerr3]

were did it actually say he was a Nazi, German is obvious but the Nazi bit?

[Monty_Cristo]

were did it actually say he was a Nazi, German is obvious but the Nazi bit?

Dan Slott refers to him as a former nazi in pretty much every interview he's mentioned in. plus there's the connection they made between he and Werner von Braun. and then there's Pym calling him a nazi.

[Tobias Drake]

I also recall him mentioning that he worked on Master Man.

[Monty_Cristo]

I also recall him mentioning that he worked on Master Man.

and i could have sworn he had a I Heart Red Skull coffee mug in one scene. can't quite remember the issue. ;)

[Dagger]

I hope Wonder Man kicks Sentry ass. I'm so sick of him.