View Full Version : New Avengers #37 *Spoilers*
unkiedev
12-12-2007, 12:50 PM
A Spoilered Review for folks to use as a jumping-off point for discussion:
The book opens with someone, later revealed to be Maria Hill, interrogating the Wrecker on a fight between the Avengers and the Hood's hoods. It seems the New Avengers as well as the FF, X-Men, Mighty Avengers and other hero luminaries (Captain America, deceased for example) have arrived at the secret hide-out of the Hood looking to throw down. Luke Cage gets the jump on Wrecker and hits him in the face with a truck. It is soon clear the extra heroes are, as predicted, phantoms summoned by Dr. Strange.
In the Phantasmic confusion the New Avengers defeat and capture Madame Masque, the Wrecking Crew, Chemestro and the Wizard and wrap them up nice for the cops, as well as recovering the stolen bank money. They leave all with a note reading “Your Friendly Neighborhood Avengers.” During the fight Dr. Strange questions the Hood as to the name of the demon who grants him his powers. This makes the Hood REALLY angry and transform into his scariest demon form yet. The Hood escapes the battle.
We jump to a S.H.I.E.L.D. holding cell with the Wrecker and Hill. She informs him S.H.I.E.L.D. doesn’t have to grant him a lawyer and he can rot in a cell until he gives up the identity of the Hood. Wrecker won’t talk. Hill and an aide discuss how none captured ratted out the Hood. They leave. Moments later the Hood kills both guards watching the Wrecker, frees him from his cell and again promises that under his leadership things are different, and no one will spend a night in confinement on his watch. He vows to free the others and get revenge on the New Avengers…..TO BE CONTINUED in New Avenger’s Annual #2!
Verdict: Pretty good! I’m a guy who likes Leinil Yu, and while his fight scenes are a bit jumbled they are still fun. ISSUE HIGHLIGHTS involve spidey telling an in-battle joke that causes Wolvie to crack-up, much to Spidey’s delight and Yu packing the panels with colorful heroes.
This comic book gets a solid B. Not B+, not B-. It’s a fun comic just done right.
ON CONTINUITY: This is getting really out there. Spidey has a quip about how the villains should feel lucky they were beaten not JUST by Spidey, but by “Black Suit Spider-Man.” Back In Black has been over for quite some time. We know issue #5 of Illuminati takes place after World War Hulk and probably after Back in Black. I’d assume New Avengers #37takes place BEFORE WWH, OMD and Illuminati #5, as Dr. Strange’s hands seem fine. Who knows when this takes place?
TotalWorldDomination
12-12-2007, 01:06 PM
ON CONTINUITY: This is getting really out there. Spidey has a quip about how the villains should feel lucky they were beaten not JUST by Spidey, but by “Black Suit Spider-Man.” Back In Black has been over for quite some time. We know issue #5 of Illuminati takes place after World War Hulk and probably after Back in Black. I’d assume New Avengers #37takes place BEFORE WWH, OMD and Illuminati #5, as Dr. Strange’s hands seem fine. Who knows when this takes place?
Trying to figure out when the Avengers books take place is like trying to cure your headache by banging it repeatedly against a wall that is covered in broken glass and barbed wire.
If we use logic, the New Avengers fought the mighty avengers BEFORE the Mighty Avengers were formed. It's not a pretty picture.
bjtrdff
12-12-2007, 01:07 PM
Has to be before WWH, right before WWH I'd say.
Although, NA Annual 2 was supposed to deal with the WWH fallout (particularly with regards to Dr. Strange).
Realistically, Spidey could go back to his old costume with any given issue, as long as there's a night/day or so to jam in the return change from the spidey books.
As an aside:
Whatever else happens with Spidey/BND, I really really hope that
a)Spidey is still with the avengers in BND (which has been confirmed by Bendis recently, and appears to be the case in the previews)
b) The rest of the team knows his identity, even if the rest of the world doesn't.
CMBMOOL
12-12-2007, 01:14 PM
Has to be before WWH, right before WWH I'd say.
Although, NA Annual 2 was supposed to deal with the WWH fallout (particularly with regards to Dr. Strange).
Realistically, Spidey could go back to his old costume with any given issue, as long as there's a night/day or so to jam in the return change from the spidey books.
As an aside:
Whatever else happens with Spidey/BND, I really really hope that
a)Spidey is still with the avengers in BND (which has been confirmed by Bendis recently, and appears to be the case in the previews)
b) The rest of the team knows his identity, even if the rest of the world doesn't.
Well I could see the NA Annual #2 maybe solve where the New Avengers are at right now. :D
But I could only hope that when BND occurs we could see where the team is by then. :(
Blader5489
12-12-2007, 01:33 PM
The continuity isn't difficult at all. There might be a few glitches in getting events to sync up exactly, but overall it's pretty straightforward.
Mighty/New Avengers ---> World War Hulk ---> Illuminati #5 ---> most everything else
I imagine NA Annual #2 will chronicle events just before (the Hood) and after (Strange's hands) WWH.
I feel like Bendis' Hood is just Sammy Silke with demon powers... I don't really see how his goals now match up with Vaughan's Hood mini.
This was Lenil Yu's last issue, btw. With eleven consecutive issues under his belt, he was this book's most regular penciller. I appreciate that (even if this issue was a little awkward and hard to follow).
So the Hood made a Faustian pact with a demon?
drwho
12-12-2007, 02:42 PM
Got this and I have to say the best part of the book was the coloring. I was glad they turned out to be illusions. It was nice to see Dr. Strange take a more active role and confront the Hood. Hood still just seems like a hot head with nothing new in the idea department. I would have liked to have seen more dialogue from the actually Avengers than grumbling by the villains as they get beat down. Some good parts, but this book still needs work. The Hood itself is possessed by a demon.
Expletive Deleted
12-12-2007, 02:48 PM
So the Hood made a Faustian pact with a demon?Not explicitly, but his continued use of the demon's artifacts (the hood and the boots) seems to accomplish effectively the same thing.
I'll be the first one to say, it'll come back to haunt him.
worstblogever
12-12-2007, 03:10 PM
I'll be the first one to say, it'll come back to haunt him.
Turning into that Demon thing might be more permanent. Hell's fashions will do that to a guy.
Nice issue, though. A little cluttered in the big fights, but you can look around in the melee and see a LOT going on. It wasn't always crisp, but there was plenty going on.
Luke > Wrecker.
Dr. Strange > Hood.
Echo > Madame Masque.
Spidey > Wizard.
Iron Fist, Clint, Wolverine > the Wrecking Crew.
All you really needed to know was, good guys came out on top, had some fun doing it with great Spidey/Wolverine/Clint banter. Dr. Strange made a real point about the Hood, who's not going away quietly. The bad guys lost the battle, but are far from done.
unkiedev
12-12-2007, 03:16 PM
When I'm not impressed by certain comic books I wonder "Was this a bad comic, or am I just older?" I remember Longshot having a nightmare vision of returning to Mojoworld around Uncanny X-men #248-9. In this nightmare spiral was taunting him on the floor after ripping out his spine. I thought "This is amazingly cool." I was 13. I bet I'd find that really cheap and worthlessly sensational now.
Every time I pick up New Avengers I think "Now this here is comics done right." Always great art, a few nice jokes and usually some neat story twists. Bendis can be a big ole' drag about thin plot lines, but that's neither here nor there.
New Avengers was the best book I bought this week, and the funny thing was it wasn't amazing, just a good solid comic.
...Maybe I should be asking myself if my expectations are too high.
Monty_Cristo
12-12-2007, 03:21 PM
Not explicitly, but his continued use of the demon's artifacts (the hood and the boots) seems to accomplish effectively the same thing.
so where'd he get all of that money?
bjtrdff
12-12-2007, 03:59 PM
It's not that hard to explain. He could have teleported into any one of thousands of banks and taken it.
Mark_S
12-12-2007, 04:06 PM
We jump to a S.H.I.E.L.D. holding cell with the Wrecker and Hill. She informs him S.H.I.E.L.D. doesn’t have to grant him a lawyer and he can rot in a cell until he gives up the identity of the Hood. Wrecker won’t talk. Hill and an aide discuss how none captured ratted out the Hood. They leave. Moments later the Hood kills both guards watching the Wrecker, frees him from his cell and again promises that under his leadership things are different, and no one will spend a night in confinement on his watch. He vows to free the others and get revenge on the New Avengers…..TO BE CONTINUED in New Avenger’s Annual #2!
Well once again we have an example of SHIELD security. They may have had no trouble holding superheroes in cw but supervillains? Those guys have a pretty easy out.
Mark_S
Monty_Cristo
12-12-2007, 04:16 PM
It's not that hard to explain. He could have teleported into any one of thousands of banks and taken it.
wouldn't someone have noticed? wouldn't that be on the news and a plot point?
wouldn't someone have noticed? wouldn't that be on the news and a plot point?It was both on the news and a plot point. The Hood and his organization robbed a bank with a Deadlock they found in issue 35.
Toboe
12-12-2007, 06:23 PM
Well this issue was just an extended and really chaotic fight scene... it lost me a little bit there, but it sure was fun. Besides, a break form the omg you're a skrull deal is sure welcome.
I dunno, I love the team (except maybe for Echo) but it still feels to me like something's missing to make this a good book. It has been that way since issue one, though...
I like Bendis take on the Hood, and Yu made him look great. His plan was pretty weak, though. But it's nice to see how he keeps his promises and an eye on his men and they are loyal to him because of it. Wonder what the devil possession thing is going. Wasn't the demon he took the hood and boots from still alive at the end of his mini? I thought it would come after Parker, but instead he's turning into it... Looking forward to the conclusion on the Annual.
Ragnorok64
12-12-2007, 06:45 PM
Well I could see the NA Annual #2 maybe solve where the New Avengers are at right now. :D
But I could only hope that when BND occurs we could see where the team is by then. :(
What is BND?
What is BND?
The Spiderman story, Brand New Day.
Omega Alpha
12-12-2007, 06:47 PM
It was a fun issue, but Yu's art nearly ruined it and made the fights difficult to follow.
Joe Franklin
12-12-2007, 06:57 PM
It was a fun issue, but Yu's art nearly ruined it and made the fights difficult to follow.
I'm a huge fan of Yu's art, but his stuff looks 100% better when it's inked.
So why is Clint still wearing the Ronin suit?
I wish the villains were a bit smarter. ANd it was never made clear when Strange's illusion stopped. That was just sloppy. I kept seeing IM and Sentry well after the Illusion was detected.
I liked this issue quite a bit. Good fight, fun banter, good serious moment between Dr. Strange and the Hood, and really terrific coloring work on Yu's drawings. (Plus, Bendis gets special bonus points from me for finally using the Eye of Agamotto. :p ) I thought the writing in this issue was particularly tight and witty. Some of the dialogue had me giggling (the bit with the Hood telling that bald dude John to run struck me as particularly funny), as did the sound effects (bam, boom, rummmmble, crash!).
This is Yu's last book for a while at least? If yes, that's too bad. I'm very fond of his work and I think the last couple of issues in particular have been quite good.
So why is Clint still wearing the Ronin suit?
I wish the villains were a bit smarter. ANd it was never made clear when Strange's illusion stopped. That was just sloppy. I kept seeing IM and Sentry well after the Illusion was detected.
I haven't read the book or anything... but if I were Strange, I wouldn't stop making illusions simply because they were detected. Illusions or not, they would still make great distractions that would benefit the NA in a fight.
Sheldon
12-12-2007, 07:19 PM
It was ok for what it was, but the hood just bores me. The banter was nice though...
Forget W00T, skrully should have been the word of the year.
Blader5489
12-12-2007, 07:55 PM
So why is Clint still wearing the Ronin suit?
Because he's a Skrull.
Because he's a Skrull.
Maybe he just thinks it's a cool looking suit. Clint has definately worn worse.
Mark_S
12-12-2007, 08:02 PM
Well once again we have an example of SHIELD security. They may have had no trouble holding superheroes in cw but supervillains? Those guys have a pretty easy out.
Mark_S
As an addendum to that this isn't going to help SHIELD that much. The Renegade anti-sra crowd captures all these supervillains and after a quick talk SHIELD lets them escape. So much for Tony's new improved SHIELD.
Mark_S
Slyfer
12-12-2007, 08:05 PM
Wait they capture the Hoods Cronies and Tony didn't even show up.... wha
It was a very good issue, although I was lost a few times by Yu's Art, its a win lose situation , Yu's art is prefect for the chaos like Bachalo's is. But I am looking forward to the new artist on New Avengers, who is it ?
CMBMOOL
12-12-2007, 08:05 PM
As an addendum to that this isn't going to help SHIELD that much. The Renegade anti-sra crowd captures all these supervillains and after a quick talk SHIELD lets them escape. So much for Tony's new improved SHIELD.
Mark_S
Amen to that. :D
Shows us just how great things have been since Tony is the Director of SHIELD. ;)
Wait they capture the Hoods Cronnies and Tony didn't even show up.... wha
It was a very good issue although I was lost a few times by Yu's Art its a win lose situation , yu's art is prefect for the chaos like Bachalo's is. But I am looking forward to the new artist on Ne Avengers, who is it ?
Maybe Tony's still off in Latveria with the MA confronting Doom.
Will.S
12-12-2007, 09:01 PM
I liked the issue but the fights were waaaay too chaotic looking.
Leinil Yu's transition panels and lack of speed lines made things much harder to follow than usual, I really wished he'd integrate speed lines and motion shadow effects. I'm glad we got an all action issue though, this was a battle that was a long time in the coming and it's great to see the NA score a solid victory as a team.
My only problem though was with certain aspects of the Wrecking Crew. Outside of Wolverine's claws (which can cut nearly anything) they seemed to have gotten cut up a little too easily by Ronin's blade. Bulldozer in particular got the worst of it and I thought their durability was pretty high up there to be able to withstand that sort of damage. I also thought that a guy like Wrecker spoke too properly and found things like Piledriver or Thunderball saying "Dude!" coming off as odd.
Anyway, Bendis does interrogation scenes to the point that you know that there's going to be some interesting dialogue such as in here between Maria Hill and Wrecker. I LOOOOVED the shot at the end with the Hood going out guns blazing, the fact that he looks out for them and busts them out is something I haven't seen before by a kingpin of crime since it's so hands on. Usually they just leave their flunkies to rot.
Nice scenes with Strange and Hood, Spider-Man and Ronin doing the banter and all the others doing their part. While I had some complaints about the art I will definitely miss Leinil Yu's artwork on the title, it always made me want to crack open the book as soon as I got to the shop on top of Dave McCaig's awesome "cel shaded" coloring.
Looking forward to the 2nd Annual to wrap up the rest of this but so far a nice job.
8/10
Monty_Cristo
12-12-2007, 09:07 PM
Anyway, Bendis does interrogation scenes to the point that you know that there's going to be some interesting dialogue such as in here between Maria Hill and Wrecker. I LOOOOVED the shot at the end with the Hood going out guns blazing and the fact that he looks out for them and busts them out is something I haven't seen before by a kinpin of crime since it's both so hands on and usually they leave their flunkies to rot.
Justin Hammer did it routinely. he was just classy enough to use his underlings to bust them out.
Tobias Drake
12-12-2007, 10:43 PM
Did anyone else notice the eerie greenish tint in Maria Hill's eyes as she walked out of Wrecker's cell? Can we say Skrull?
snoopafly
12-13-2007, 02:08 AM
Did anyone else notice the eerie greenish tint in Maria Hill's eyes as she walked out of Wrecker's cell? Can we say Skrull?
I don't know if it was greenish..it looked more brown to me. But it WAS very noticeable. Did anyone else think that Spidey was exceptionally more funny than usual?? I literally laughed out loud at his "Dr. Vague" quip. That would be perfect name for Strange since he NEVER gives a straight answer.
I'm slowly gaining more respect for the type of villain The Hood is shaping out to be. Personally breaking out his henchmen was pretty badass.
vitruvian
12-13-2007, 07:42 AM
So why is Clint still wearing the Ronin suit?
I'm fine with Clint remaining as Ronin. It's not as though Hawkeye was ever that great of a superhero name to begin with, and he's getting to highlight that the Swordsman taught him more than archery.
*However* - there's no reason he couldn't start using a bow and some trick (at least explosive) arrows for more firepower. A ronin was originally the name for a masterless samurai, and the samurai actually started out as bowmen more than swordsmen early in their history. In this issue's fight, for example, this would have been quite useful - it was shown way back in Secret Wars that Clint pulls a bow with enough poundage for his arrows to penetrate the skin of any of the Wrecking Crew, for example.
I'm fine with Clint remaining as Ronin. It's not as though Hawkeye was ever that great of a superhero name to begin with, and he's getting to highlight that the Swordsman taught him more than archery.
*However* - there's no reason he couldn't start using a bow and some trick (at least explosive) arrows for more firepower. A ronin was originally the name for a masterless samurai, and the samurai actually started out as bowmen more than swordsmen early in their history. In this issue's fight, for example, this would have been quite useful - it was shown way back in Secret Wars that Clint pulls a bow with enough poundage for his arrows to penetrate the skin of any of the Wrecking Crew, for example.
Perhaps Clint doesn't want it public knowledge that he's back as Ronin yet. The buy might be a bit of a dead give away.
Eumenides
12-13-2007, 08:20 AM
Moments later the Hood kills both guards watching the Wrecker, frees him from his cell and again promises that under his leadership things are different, and no one will spend a night in confinement on his watch. He vows to free the others and get revenge on the New Avengers…..TO BE CONTINUED in New Avenger’s Annual #2!
So the greatest writer in comics today is getting everyone excited about a second-rate villain who uses tricks Sidewinder was using 20 years ago when he ruled the more impressive Serpent Society? Hooray for comics!
unkiedev
12-13-2007, 08:25 AM
My only problem though was with certain aspects of the Wrecking Crew. Outside of Wolverine's claws (which can cut nearly anything) they seemed to have gotten cut up a little too easily by Ronin's blade. Bulldozer in particular got the worst of it and I thought their durability was pretty high up there to be able to withstand that sort of damage. I also thought that a guy like Wrecker spoke too properly and found things like Piledriver or Thunderball saying "Dude!" coming off as odd.
The Wrecking Crew (And the Wrecker) are the definitive Marvel flunky villians, which is too bad. I think it's a classism thing: Since they dress like super laborers and weild crowbars/wrecking balls they must be a bunch of low grade pallookas. Every writer loves to have their heroes beat up these guys as they just make for great fist fodder...folks forget they are REALLY powerful. The Wrecker is insanely powerful. Bendis knows this and keeps making jokes about it, but he still has the guy get the snot handed to him easily every time he show up.
Poor Wrecking Crew. 2006-2007 they got beat up by New Avengers, Runaways, Omega Force and NOW the New Avengers again.
TotalWorldDomination
12-13-2007, 08:30 AM
The Wrecking Crew (And the Wrecker) are the definitive Marvel flunky villians, which is too bad. I think it's a classism thing: Since they dress like super laborers and weild crowbars/wrecking balls they must be a bunch of low grade pallookas. Every writer loves to have their heroes beat up these guys as they just make for great fist fodder...folks forget they are REALLY powerful. The Wrecker is insanely powerful. Bendis knows this and keeps making jokes about it, but he still has the guy get the snot handed to him easily every time he show up.
Poor Wrecking Crew. 2006-2007 they got beat up by New Avengers, Runaways, Omega Force and NOW the New Avengers again.
hmm. Powers acting wonky? not solid characterization? Confusing backstory? They are clearly skrulls. The whole wrecking crew are skrulls.this IS how we fix these things these days, and that was the simplest solution.
The Wrecking Crew (And the Wrecker) are the definitive Marvel flunky villians, which is too bad. I think it's a classism thing: Since they dress like super laborers and weild crowbars/wrecking balls they must be a bunch of low grade pallookas. Every writer loves to have their heroes beat up these guys as they just make for great fist fodder...folks forget they are REALLY powerful. The Wrecker is insanely powerful. Bendis knows this and keeps making jokes about it, but he still has the guy get the snot handed to him easily every time he show up.
Poor Wrecking Crew. 2006-2007 they got beat up by New Avengers, Runaways, Omega Force and NOW the New Avengers again.
The thing is, the wrecking crew have so many high and low showings that there's almost no wrong way to write them.
Handbooks argue that they're only class 10 in stength, which justifies many of their low end showings since that basically makes them Spiderman level. But they started out as Thor threats, and have quite a few good showings as well (particularly recently, though this may be one of them). The fact that Wrecker held his own against the NA during the Sentry arc was dam impressive.
Personally I think the Crew serve a valuable niche. They are henchmen... but they're just so handy because they have just enough credibility to pass them off as a threat despite the fact that they're nothing more than the hired muscle. They sprinkle enough of the high end showings to still make them very usable.
Tobias Drake
12-13-2007, 09:44 AM
The Wrecking Crew (And the Wrecker) are the definitive Marvel flunky villians, which is too bad. I think it's a classism thing: Since they dress like super laborers and weild crowbars/wrecking balls they must be a bunch of low grade pallookas. Every writer loves to have their heroes beat up these guys as they just make for great fist fodder...folks forget they are REALLY powerful. The Wrecker is insanely powerful. Bendis knows this and keeps making jokes about it, but he still has the guy get the snot handed to him easily every time he show up.
Poor Wrecking Crew. 2006-2007 they got beat up by New Avengers, Runaways, Omega Force and NOW the New Avengers again.
Well, in recent DareDevil issues, Wrecker beat the everloving hell out of DareDevil. DareDevil even acknowledged as he was departing that the Wrecking Crew were was out of his league..
Blader5489
12-13-2007, 09:57 AM
Wait they capture the Hoods Cronies and Tony didn't even show up.... wha
The Mighty Avengers left for Latveria in NA #36.
The Ultron arc in MA occurs at the same time as the Skrullektra arc in NA. Then the two books converge for the Venom virus in NYC. After that, the two books split again: the MA go to Latveria to confront Doom (the mastermind behind the Venom virus) while the NA go to fight the Hood.
unkiedev
12-13-2007, 11:49 AM
Well, in recent DareDevil issues, Wrecker beat the everloving hell out of DareDevil. DareDevil even acknowledged as he was departing that the Wrecking Crew were was out of his league..Cool. I like Daredevil on some levels and kinda find him annoying on others. I'm glad someone used the Wrecker well.
Tobias Drake
12-13-2007, 11:52 AM
Cool. I like Daredevil on some levels and kinda find him annoying on others. I'm glad someone used the Wrecker well.
Yeah. If you're interested in the Hood, it might interest you to know that he's active over in DareDevil right now as well, which makes a nice sense of continuity.
TotalWorldDomination
12-13-2007, 12:28 PM
The Mighty Avengers left for Latveria in NA #36.
The Ultron arc in MA occurs at the same time as the Skrullektra arc in NA. Then the two books converge for the Venom virus in NYC. After that, the two books split again: the MA go to Latveria to confront Doom (the mastermind behind the Venom virus) while the NA go to fight the Hood.
and since the Ultron arc is the teams first ever mission together, every appearance of the MA's before the Skrullectra arc that was in the New Avengers were caused by either A) a time warp, B) Skrulls or C) replicas from Universe A.
As we see, Ares was recruited under an hour before the fight broke out. Yet ares fights the MA's in the helicarier AND follows them to the Sanctum Sanctorum, all up to a day before he, or anyone else, was put on the team.
Yay for continuity!
I found to be an average issue. Certainly not the best.
However, for some reason, sometimes Bendis' humor just doesn't "work" for me, I can't find it funny. And this was one of these times.
Mark_S
12-13-2007, 01:04 PM
As I recall the Wrecking Crew's power comes from the Wrecker himself, he can take the power given to him and share it with them, but it weakens him to do so. So depending on how much power he gives them he can go up and down in strength.
Mark_S
Shyft
12-13-2007, 02:08 PM
really enjoyed this issue. Although i dont find the Hood as interesting in NA as i do in Daredevil.
Arilou
12-13-2007, 02:13 PM
and since the Ultron arc is the teams first ever mission together, every appearance of the MA's before the Skrullectra arc that was in the New Avengers were caused by either A) a time warp, B) Skrulls or C) replicas from Universe A.
As we see, Ares was recruited under an hour before the fight broke out. Yet ares fights the MA's in the helicarier AND follows them to the Sanctum Sanctorum, all up to a day before he, or anyone else, was put on the team.
Yay for continuity!
Why on earth would you think that? We have no idea how much time went by between Ultron and Skrullectra.
Tobias Drake
12-13-2007, 02:15 PM
Why on earth would you think that? We have no idea how much time went by between Ultron and Skrullectra.
The plane crash on the way back from Skrullectra was caused by Naked Ultron messing with the weather. And I think we saw her broadcast.
Red Lotus
12-13-2007, 03:29 PM
Did anyone else notice the eerie greenish tint in Maria Hill's eyes as she walked out of Wrecker's cell? Can we say Skrull?
I don't know if it was greenish..it looked more brown to me. But it WAS very noticeable. Did anyone else think that Spidey was exceptionally more funny than usual?? I literally laughed out loud at his "Dr. Vague" quip. That would be perfect name for Strange since he NEVER gives a straight answer.
I'm slowly gaining more respect for the type of villain The Hood is shaping out to be. Personally breaking out his henchmen was pretty badass.
LOL the funny thing is I was looking for that. But her eyes were brown.
Monty_Cristo
12-13-2007, 03:37 PM
LOL the funny thing is I was looking for that. But her eyes were brown.
maybe there are African-Skrullmericans on the skrull homeworld.
Blader5489
12-13-2007, 07:46 PM
and since the Ultron arc is the teams first ever mission together,
I don't know if it matters, but the Ultron arc is not the MA's first mission as a team. Their first mission was to stop Mole Man and co. from rampaging through NYC.
Harold of the Rocks
12-13-2007, 07:50 PM
This was Lenil Yu's last issue, btw. With eleven consecutive issues under his belt, he was this book's most regular penciller. I appreciate that (even if this issue was a little awkward and hard to follow).It was a fun issue, but Yu's art nearly ruined it and made the fights difficult to follow.I liked the issue but the fights were waaaay too chaotic looking.
Leinil Yu's transition panels and lack of speed lines made things much harder to follow than usual, I really wished he'd integrate speed lines and motion shadow effects. I'm glad we got an all action issue though, this was a battle that was a long time in the coming and it's great to see the NA score a solid victory as a team.Gotta agree that I had one hell of a time following the battle scenes and before it was over I pretty much conceded that I was never going to make sense of it all during a first reading and figured the dialogue and context would make it clear who won the big melee. And Madame Masque never looked so heinous. I'll never be too harsh on an artist who has more talent in their pinky toenail than I have in my entire body... but I am kind of glad that Yu is departing. The writing on this issue was really enjoyable, and I can only imagine what a slam dunk this would have been if Finch or Deodato Jr. was drawing this.
I'll be the first one to say, it'll come back to haunt him.Actually, Stephen Strange beat you to it.
Anyway, Bendis does interrogation scenes to the point that you know that there's going to be some interesting dialogue such as in here between Maria Hill and Wrecker. I LOOOOVED the shot at the end with the Hood going out guns blazing, the fact that he looks out for them and busts them out is something I haven't seen before by a kingpin of crime since it's so hands on. Usually they just leave their flunkies to rot.
Nice scenes with Strange and Hood, Spider-Man and Ronin doing the banter and all the others doing their part. While I had some complaints about the art I will definitely miss Leinil Yu's artwork on the title, it always made me want to crack open the book as soon as I got to the shop on top of Dave McCaig's awesome "cel shaded" coloring.
Looking forward to the 2nd Annual to wrap up the rest of this but so far a nice job.
8/10Will S., you are one of my favorite posters here, and this summary demonstrates why... I'm not as high on Yu as yourself, but I agree with all of your other observations here. This book was really solid and fun. Held back by the pencilling (colors were fine), in my mind... but still one of the best (if not the best) NA issues since Yu came on board.
Harold of the Rocks
12-13-2007, 07:52 PM
I don't know if it matters, but the Ultron arc is not the MA's first mission as a team. Their first mission was to stop Mole Man and co. from rampaging through NYC.In which Ultron appeared before the issue was over, and it was established that the weather abnormalities were the result of Ultron's 'influence'. It's still the same mission.
Beatnikman
12-13-2007, 11:38 PM
Every time I pick up New Avengers I think "Now this here is comics done right." Always great art, a few nice jokes and usually some neat story twists. Bendis can be a big ole' drag about thin plot lines, but that's neither here nor there.
New Avengers was the best book I bought this week, and the funny thing was it wasn't amazing, just a good solid comic.
I totally with you here. NA has worked its way to the top of my stack of Tuesday night reading whenever it comes out. It's such an odd "roster," there are all these loose ends and sub-plots that are still out there, but I just seem to really dig each issue anyway.
I definitely haven't read every Luke Cage appearance ever, but to me, he's SO much more interesting in NA than anywhere else I've seen him. And I've been really enjoying the Spidey/Hawkeye interaction.
And yes, I said "Tuesday night." There's gotta be some perks to owning a comic store, right?
Drdmx
12-14-2007, 12:25 AM
Well once again we have an example of SHIELD security. They may have had no trouble holding superheroes in cw but supervillains? Those guys have a pretty easy out.
Mark_S
I lol'd Mark.
Drdmx
12-14-2007, 12:33 AM
As I recall the Wrecking Crew's power comes from the Wrecker himself, he can take the power given to him and share it with them, but it weakens him to do so. So depending on how much power he gives them he can go up and down in strength.
Mark_S
I could swear I have an issue of Thor with bad art that shows them each absorbing energy from the Warriors Three. Didnt they also abduct the black Ms. Marvel once, put her in a (read:Glass!) jar and absorb energy from her in an issue of Avengers? I think they all have the ability.
unkiedev
12-14-2007, 08:03 AM
And yes, I said "Tuesday night." There's gotta be some perks to owning a comic store, right?Ha, you answered my question before I asked it. You are correct, there has to be some advantage, and you have found it. The rest, as far as I understand it, is white-knuckle day by day nerve wracking retail hell.
Tobias Drake
12-14-2007, 08:41 AM
Sidenote: it was great of Strange to provide some expository dialogue regarding The Hood and his demon cloak.
I did have to go back and read it again, however, because it's hard to take him seriously when you hear him with the voice of Dr. Orpheus from the Venture Brothers, so I was afraid I missed something. :p
Beatnikman
12-14-2007, 10:47 AM
Ha, you answered my question before I asked it. You are correct, there has to be some advantage, and you have found it. The rest, as far as I understand it, is white-knuckle day by day nerve wracking retail hell.
Pretty much. But really, other than the money, it's all kinds of fun.
I can't really say why this is the case, but I like the parenthetical wisecracks in this book so, so much better than the thought bubbles in Mighty Avengers.
So? Who shows up on that last page with the Avengers? The "And you are?" person?
Tobias Drake
12-14-2007, 10:57 AM
Pretty much. But really, other than the money, it's all kinds of fun.
I can't really say why this is the case, but I like the parenthetical wisecracks in this book so, so much better than the thought bubbles in Mighty Avengers.
So? Who shows up on that last page with the Avengers? The "And you are?" person?
That was the powerless guy with the money that The Hood told to run and keep running. Apparently he decided to hide instead. Bad choice.
rpriske
12-14-2007, 11:20 AM
This was Lenil Yu's last issue, btw. With eleven consecutive issues under his belt, he was this book's most regular penciller. I appreciate that (even if this issue was a little awkward and hard to follow).
Best news I have read today.
I don't hate Yu's art...just on this book.
Toboe
12-14-2007, 11:22 AM
That was the powerless guy with the money that The Hood told to run and keep running. Apparently he decided to hide instead. Bad choice.
That was the Hood's cousin and best friend, John, who is now his closest accomplice. I don't think he decided to hide instead, more like it was impossible for him to run away in the middle of a massive super hero fight.
I just realized the Hood has outed himself now, hasn't he? Remember the police thought him to be dead on the mini series, and John had been previously put under arrest for his association with him, and now they have him again. Not much of a secret operation now, huh?
Tobias Drake
12-14-2007, 11:30 AM
That was the Hood's cousin and best friend, John, who is now his closest accomplice. I don't think he decided to hide instead, more like it was impossible for him to run away in the middle of a massive super hero fight.
I just realized the Hood has outed himself now, hasn't he? Remember the police thought him to be dead on the mini series, and John had been previously put under arrest for his association with him, and now they have him again. Not much of a secret operation now, huh?
Doesn't really matter if they can't find him. Invisibility is fun.
Beatnikman
12-14-2007, 01:15 PM
That was the powerless guy with the money that The Hood told to run and keep running. Apparently he decided to hide instead. Bad choice.
Thank you very much. Going back to look at it, I see it now. I'll try to pay more attention in the future.
Monty_Cristo
12-14-2007, 02:20 PM
Doesn't really matter if they can't find him. Invisibility is fun.
they could possibly use magic to track him. SHIELD has a magic division. and, yeah, invisibility is fun; almost as fun as the Irredeemable Ant-Man's powers. they found him too.
Will.S
12-14-2007, 10:10 PM
Gotta agree that I had one hell of a time following the battle scenes and before it was over I pretty much conceded that I was never going to make sense of it all during a first reading and figured the dialogue and context would make it clear who won the big melee. And Madame Masque never looked so heinous. I'll never be too harsh on an artist who has more talent in their pinky toenail than I have in my entire body... but I am kind of glad that Yu is departing. The writing on this issue was really enjoyable, and I can only imagine what a slam dunk this would have been if Finch or Deodato Jr. was drawing this.Yeah, I would have loved to have seen Finch's take on it although current Finch is kind of losing it with the overdrawn art style. Early New Avengers Finch was really good and clean.
But seriously, how are we supposed to read that 12 grid panel fight? HOW?!?
Will S., you are one of my favorite posters here, and this summary demonstrates why... I'm not as high on Yu as yourself, but I agree with all of your other observations here. This book was really solid and fun. Held back by the pencilling (colors were fine), in my mind... but still one of the best (if not the best) NA issues since Yu came on board.Whoah, thanks for the compliment man!
:)
Agreed, fun stuff. I think I'm going to read the arc over now that there's only the Annual left to see how it holds up in an entire read through.
Alpha Male
12-15-2007, 08:03 AM
The Wrecking Crew (And the Wrecker) are the definitive Marvel flunky villians, which is too bad. I think it's a classism thing: Since they dress like super laborers and weild crowbars/wrecking balls they must be a bunch of low grade pallookas. Every writer loves to have their heroes beat up these guys as they just make for great fist fodder...folks forget they are REALLY powerful. The Wrecker is insanely powerful. Bendis knows this and keeps making jokes about it, but he still has the guy get the snot handed to him easily every time he show up.
Poor Wrecking Crew. 2006-2007 they got beat up by New Avengers, Runaways, Omega Force and NOW the New Avengers again.
The only writer, IMO, that did the Wrecking Crew justice was Chris Claremont when he wrote Iron Fist volume one. When Iron Fist first fought them, he was outclassed even with his power. The Wrecking Crew was so powerful it took issues for Iron Fist to defeat them (with the help of Captain America, of course).
Agent_Torpor
12-15-2007, 11:02 AM
The colors were garish, and Yu needs an inker to reign his pencils in.
killerbass
12-15-2007, 02:15 PM
*I call shenanigans!*
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Echo deaf? If my memory serves me correctly (and I *am* going to be 40 in February, you whippersnappers), this is like the third issue in a row where someone behind Echo says something and she hears them without looking at them -- you know to read their lips.
Is Echo a Skrull?
Is Yu just making the same repeated mistake?
Or is Bendis trying to clue us in?
Or am I just mistaken?
Curious,
Tom
Omega Alpha
12-15-2007, 07:54 PM
You're not mistaken.
Tobias Drake
12-16-2007, 12:33 PM
But seriously, how are we supposed to read that 12 grid panel fight? HOW?!?
I think that was the point of the fight. That it was so jumbled and chaotic that it was impossible for anyone involved to know up from down.
leebrown1990
12-16-2007, 01:44 PM
Definitely a flawed series, but I'm the kind of guy who pretty much enjoys everything.
Ive noticed Yu is the subject of quite a bit of criticism. i think hes an amazing pin up artist, for example his wolverine on the cover of 35 is amazing. But his fights do seem a little muddled hey must be pushing him pretty hard, making him do the cover and all those characters and busy scenes, so you've got to give the guy some credit. Assuming he is on a tight schedule, I think he could produce some amazing comics, putting more time into the little details and backgrounds.
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