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Cayman
12-12-2007, 11:52 AM
Joe Casey's The Last Defenders (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=139443)
Joe Casey on a new book starring the second-tier Defenders. Sounds heavenly! Can't wait for the solicit.
Fatguy
12-12-2007, 12:03 PM
Very, very cool news. I love the C-List Defenders! And Casey is always interesting.
DaeJi
12-12-2007, 12:07 PM
Woo-#$%^ing-hoo!
Hulkamaniac
12-12-2007, 12:25 PM
sounds simply awesome, looking forward to this project.
CMBMOOL
12-12-2007, 12:30 PM
About time we get some classic teams back. :D
Tobias Drake
12-12-2007, 12:37 PM
JC: Good question. With the lineup we've got, it's definitely a break from the idea of training young heroes at Camp Hammond to eventually staff teams all over the country. This is a decidedly different beast, and a first in the post-Civil War Marvel U. We've seen teams both pro- and anti- but the world simply isn't that black and white, not even in comic books. It's time we started exploring the gray areas...
Okay. I'm in.
JessieMidnight
12-12-2007, 01:05 PM
Joe Casey writing this should be good! Sounds like he has a handle of what he wants to do with this. I look forward to hearing about more of this new project.
mattbib
12-12-2007, 01:11 PM
Looking forward to this as well.
Brother Zag
12-12-2007, 03:18 PM
I was just over at 'Rama and saw the article, came back here to post it and saw you'd all beat me to this. If you've read my rantings before, you know how happy this makes me!!!!
Link: http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=139443
Monty_Cristo
12-12-2007, 03:32 PM
i'll wait until i know the lineup. i wonder when Richmond split from the Initiative. he seemed to be happy at Camp Hammond.
Cayman
12-12-2007, 03:37 PM
I just hope it's what it sounds like and not some weird Omega Flight bait-and-switch.
Art looks like Daniel Acuna?
Tho I thought he was gonna do the Eternals???
Beast
12-12-2007, 08:58 PM
Is it too much to hope for that Beast, Iceman, and Angel appear? :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/NewDefenders.jpg
Jessica Drew
12-12-2007, 11:11 PM
I wonder if Casey will resurrect Valkyrie?
I'm pretty certain that along with Kyle, we're going to be seeing both Val and Patsy.
And personally, I'm hoping for the lady Red Guardian to show.
Laughing Mask
12-12-2007, 11:37 PM
nobody ever gives the defenders any respect!
DaeJi
12-12-2007, 11:38 PM
You know, I wouldn't mind a new Defender in there. Some like Firelord, since the Silver Surfer is out of the question!
I wonder if Casey will resurrect Valkyrie?
Thor seems to be going around bringing back Asgardians, so it's certianly not impossible.
I would assume if a new Defenders book returns without the Big 4, it would include Nighthawk, Val, and Patsy. Though I'm not psyched about the idea as I used to be.
It's funny... for years I wanted someone to return Nighthawk. But after his treatment in TBolts, followed by his actions in Civil War I'm kind of over it.
Anyways, we know that Nighthawk and Hellcat are registered. So I'm assuming they'll just be another Initiative team in some random state. But we'll see.
The REAL interesting thing would be if they end up using Hellstrom in some way. Granted, he's a unique character and there's a high risk of messing him up. But he's still a cool character, and I'm willing to check him out whenever I can.
vitruvian
12-13-2007, 10:05 AM
I wonder if Casey will resurrect Valkyrie?
No need for a resurrection, unless you insist on the true Asgardian one. The Samantha Parrington Valkyrie is canonically still alive, well, and training at Camp Hammond (although why she needs training is not well-established). She has no more lost her powers than have the Absorbing Man, the Wrecking Crew, or any of the other mortal characters to have gained their powers from Asgardian magic.
I would imagine that Nighthawk, Valkyrie, Gargoyle, and Hellcat could be considered mission-ready and assigned as the Initiative team for New Jersey or Connecticut (assuming that New York is covered by the Mighty Avengers) in pretty short order. Maybe some of the X-Men New Defenders contingent (Beast, Angel, was Iceman with them for a while?) could also be involved.
And if Thor does resurrect Brunhilde, we could have two Valkyries running around, although I don't see the Prince of Asgard giving his subjects permission to join the Initiative.
The only reason the Defenders was a special series from time to time was because they had some of the most innovative writers of the time on it, Englehart and then Gerber. Although I admit I liked the Kraft run as well. But anyway, I don't see Casey doing anything worthy of note here His Godland has had its moments, but like so many writers, when they do the Marvel or DC thing, they tend to deliver pretty much the same kind of thing everybody else does. It's just the climate of the times and the way the big 2 companies work now. verything's pretty homogenized, they know what the fans want and that's what they dish out. SO as fond as I am of some of those old Defenders comics, I don't expect much from this latest revival. Especially considering what came across to me as Casey's, um, let's say less than enthusiastic attitude towards the whole thing.
Frank
12-13-2007, 12:31 PM
I'm all enthousiastic about this progect but I think this comic will live or die with the artwork and so far I haven't been too impressed by the pics. I "get" Casey, Earth Mightiest Heroes was fabulous, I like his style and so forth but if the artwork suck it will be a huge barrier to enjoying it. I think the Iron Man mini-series suffered a great deal because of it and I dropped the series after issue 2.
nuclearman
12-13-2007, 04:04 PM
Thor seems to be going around bringing back Asgardians, so it's certianly not impossible.
I would assume if a new Defenders book returns without the Big 4, it would include Nighthawk, Val, and Patsy. Though I'm not psyched about the idea as I used to be.
It's funny... for years I wanted someone to return Nighthawk. But after his treatment in TBolts, followed by his actions in Civil War I'm kind of over it.
Anyways, we know that Nighthawk and Hellcat are registered. So I'm assuming they'll just be another Initiative team in some random state. But we'll see.
The REAL interesting thing would be if they end up using Hellstrom in some way. Granted, he's a unique character and there's a high risk of messing him up. But he's still a cool character, and I'm willing to check him out whenever I can.
... I agree Hellstrom is great ... I think the Valkyrie will be found by Thor soon ... as for any of the other new defenders being in it - I hope not.
I'd like to see Nighthawk, Patsy, Val, Damon Hellstrom and the gargoyle .. be the Last Defenders!!
Nightstar1441
12-13-2007, 04:30 PM
I'm excited for this one - sounds like a nice mix of characters too...:D
Monty_Cristo
12-13-2007, 04:48 PM
i wonder when Nighthawk (& possibly Gargoyle) bailed from the Initiative. Kyle signed up to get leadership training and has been seen in a lot of the background shots of Camp Hammond. they are there (unless they are skrulls) when Dragon Man is brought to the camp. maybe it will be explained in Avengers: The Initiative # 8.
thorionthei
12-13-2007, 04:56 PM
I'm very excited!
Monty_Cristo
12-13-2007, 04:59 PM
I'm very excited!
then why didn't you write it in all bolded capital letters? :confused:
Agent_Torpor
12-13-2007, 05:03 PM
I just hope it's what it sounds like and not some weird Omega Flight bait-and-switch.
Omega Flight was unadulturated cow dung. Let's hope this is nowhere near that pile of excrement.
Agent_Torpor
12-13-2007, 05:04 PM
I'm very excited!
And you just can't hide it? Are you about to lose control and do you think you like it?
Monty_Cristo
12-13-2007, 05:10 PM
Omega Flight was unadulturated cow dung. Let's hope this is nowhere near that pile of excrement.
i think it'd be funny if this Last Defenders team was actually just the Omega Flight cast with Nighthawk added in. :D
i wonder when Nighthawk (& possibly Gargoyle) bailed from the Initiative. Kyle signed up to get leadership training and has been seen in a lot of the background shots of Camp Hammond. they are there (unless they are skrulls) when Dragon Man is brought to the camp. maybe it will be explained in Avengers: The Initiative # 8.
Maybe he didn't bail from the Initiative, and he was assigned as leader of the Defenders after his leadership training.
Monty_Cristo
12-13-2007, 06:48 PM
Maybe he didn't bail from the Initiative, and he was assigned as leader of the Defenders after his leadership training.
the interview stated that the team represented the "gray area" in between anti-initiative renegades and registered heroes.
the interview stated that the team represented the "gray area" in between anti-initiative renegades and registered heroes.
Yeah, but that's a pretty vague statement that could mean a lot of things. They could be registered heroes that sometimes work with or assist the anti's or something. You can be a part of the Initiative and not necessarily agree with it 100%.
Siddon
12-13-2007, 06:50 PM
Dr Druid, Gargoyle, War Machine, Hellcat, Sleepwalker
CMBMOOL
12-13-2007, 06:55 PM
Well with any hopes it seems like most of the original Defenders will only make cameos in flashbacks, thanks to the recent events in the Marvel Universe that has the original founders going in seperate directions. :(
To tell you all the turth it would be nice to see some of the classic Defenders on this new tieam, and I hope that it would last to be an ongoing series. :(
Dr Druid, Gargoyle, War Machine, Hellcat, Sleepwalker
Did Druid come back to life again, or is that just wishful thinking?
Well with any hopes it seems like most of the original Defenders will only make cameos in flashbacks, thanks to the recent events in the Marvel Universe that has the original founders going in seperate directions. :(
To tell you all the turth it would be nice to see some of the classic Defenders on this new tieam, and I hope that it would last to be an ongoing series. :(
Given what's happening with Hulk, Namor, and Silver Surfer there's really no way any of them could be involved in the team (though guest appearances would be nice).
I think Strange would be the only possible candidate, though that would mean him leaving the New Avengers.
Monty_Cristo
12-13-2007, 07:34 PM
Dr Druid, Gargoyle, War Machine, Hellcat, Sleepwalker
i bet Ian McNee is there in Druid's stead.
thorionthei
12-14-2007, 09:36 AM
I'm very excited! ;)
Thoughts? The Renegades actually reminded me of a Defenders team. Angel, Hercules, and Namora. I wonder if any of them will make the roster.
How about some guys like Moon Knight, Ghost Rider, and Blade. All three are somewhat popular.
Firelord to replace the Surfer is a great idea. I like it.
I always liked the 2nd tier Defenders better so I have no problems with Nighthawk, Hellcat, Valkyrie, Devil-Slayer and Gargoyle.
Harlock
12-17-2007, 04:18 PM
THE LAST DEFENDERS #1 (of 6)
Written by JOE CASEY
Pencils by JIM MUNIZ
Cover by STEVE MCNIVEN
At long last, the team book you've been waiting for! The return of the Defenders! (no trademark infringement here!) And look who's on the team: The mutant Colossus! The sensational She-Hulk! The unpredicatable Blazing Skull! An all-new lineup led by the enigmatic Nighthawk! Injected into the heart of the modern Marvel Universe, the Defenders have been reformed to serve a specific policital purpose...but is there a greater destiny in store for this crew? It's hi-octane superheroics mainlined right into your fanboy brain!
32 PGS./Rated T+…$2.99
Ugh, that killed any excitement for me. Colussus, Blazing Skull, She-Hulk, Nighthawk and calling me a fanboy. Oh well, here's to hoping for the "New" Defenders reuinion.
Ugh, that killed any excitement for me. Colussus, Blazing Skull, She-Hulk, Nighthawk and calling me a fanboy. Oh well, here's to hoping for the "New" Defenders reuinion.
Definately some weird choices there. Aside from Nighthawk, it's like they picked the team out of a hat or something.
Maybe they all represent different sides of the whole issue. Colossus is a mutant who was on the sidelines for the whole thing, while She-Hulk and Nighthawk kind of both switched sides to some degree, though neither is truelly an anti at this point.
I don't know... it just sounds weird. Not necessarily bad, but weird.
Tobias Drake
12-17-2007, 04:33 PM
Definately some weird choices there. Aside from Nighthawk, it's like they picked the team out of a hat or something.
Pfft, that's preposterous.
....
Everyone knows Marvel uses a Bingo wheel!
Monty_Cristo
12-17-2007, 05:03 PM
Ugh, that killed any excitement for me. Colussus, Blazing Skull, She-Hulk, Nighthawk and calling me a fanboy. Oh well, here's to hoping for the "New" Defenders reuinion.
yeah, i just had cold water thrown on me too.
Brother Zag
12-17-2007, 06:03 PM
Oh.
OK.
Well... maybe if they all quit the team in the first issue.
I'm afraid it may be as blindingly simple as...
Nighthawk stands in for Namor, self-proclaimed nobility and arrogance built in.
Blazing Skull stands in for Strange? He comes from Mystic Comics (and in "New Invaders" Mark Todd said he called himself the "Smoking Head" in the 60s, if Wikipedia can be believed). Heh... Smoking Head... (cough!)
She-Hulk simply stands in for... The Hulk?
And Colossus for some other shiny guy?
Man, I hope it's not that basic.
On a brighter note, have you checked out the Immonen's Hellcat story in "Marvel Presents"? It's been fun, and Isaac Christiansen (Gargoyle) plays a part in it. It's nice to see some of the... er... old "New" Defenders somewhere.
Monty_Cristo
12-17-2007, 07:01 PM
Oh.
OK.
Well... maybe if they all quit the team in the first issue.
I'm afraid it may be as blindingly simple as...
Nighthawk stands in for Namor, self-proclaimed nobility and arrogance built in.
Blazing Skull stands in for Strange? He comes from Mystic Comics (and in "New Invaders" Mark Todd said he called himself the "Smoking Head" in the 60s, if Wikipedia can be believed). Heh... Smoking Head... (cough!)
She-Hulk simply stands in for... The Hulk?
And Colossus for some other shiny guy?
Man, I hope it's not that basic.
On a brighter note, have you checked out the Immonen's Hellcat story in "Marvel Presents"? It's been fun, and Isaac Christiansen (Gargoyle) plays a part in it. It's nice to see some of the... er... old "New" Defenders somewhere.
i believe you're overthinking it. the lineup just blows. :)
ultramandingo
12-17-2007, 07:28 PM
........ id rather see a return of millars ultimate defenders - nighthawk and his comicbook convention costume wearing reject pals getting their asses kicked by teen age thugs every month . nuff said
Oh.
OK.
Well... maybe if they all quit the team in the first issue.
I'm afraid it may be as blindingly simple as...
Nighthawk stands in for Namor, self-proclaimed nobility and arrogance built in.
Blazing Skull stands in for Strange? He comes from Mystic Comics (and in "New Invaders" Mark Todd said he called himself the "Smoking Head" in the 60s, if Wikipedia can be believed). Heh... Smoking Head... (cough!)
She-Hulk simply stands in for... The Hulk?
And Colossus for some other shiny guy?
Man, I hope it's not that basic.
On a brighter note, have you checked out the Immonen's Hellcat story in "Marvel Presents"? It's been fun, and Isaac Christiansen (Gargoyle) plays a part in it. It's nice to see some of the... er... old "New" Defenders somewhere.
Well, let's take a look here and try to give this a fair shot.
Nighthawk makes sense I suppose. He was a long standing Defender, and at times the defacto field leader. As a link to the old team, he works.
She-Hulk? Not a bad choice I suppose. She sort of represents a link to the Hulk, and she's been used effectively in multiple team books before. Avengers, Fantastic Four, etc.
Blazing Skull? Not sure what to make of that one. Definately a C lister... kind of a Ghost Rider clone at least in terms of looks.
Colossus? Good character, but he seems pretty random as he has such strong times to the X books. Also, power wise he and She-Hulk seems sort of reduedent (though the same could be said for Namor and Hulk to a degree in the originals).
I don't know... it seems really mismashed, but I suppose individually it's not the worst line up I've ever seen.
Monty_Cristo
12-17-2007, 08:32 PM
MONTY_CRISTO'S LAST DEFENDERS
1. Mastermind Excello http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/7/73/Mastermind_Excello.JPG
2. Ian McNee http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/44000/43281/72098-ian-mcnee_400.jpg
3. Quake http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/44000/43174/49969-daisy-johnson_400.jpg
4. Gravity http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/41000/40452/67057-gravity_400.jpg
5. Cloak http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/2000/1474/104814-cloak_400.jpg
6. Dagger http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/2000/1935/132218-dagger_400.jpg
nuclearman
12-17-2007, 09:30 PM
..disapointing line up for me ... I'll buy it just for nighthawk ..
http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/969new_storyimage6462214_full.jpg
mlightner69
12-18-2007, 01:53 AM
NRAMA: So it's the last Defenders team - who makes the cut?
JC: Well, that's the big question, isn't it? Who is actually on the team? Here's all I'm willing to say right now... when the March solicitations hit and the cover for #1 gets out, it's going to get very interesting in multiple corners of Marvel fandom. And I can't wait
So with this being the case I posit that The Last Defenders team will include "The Mighty Thor". I also believe that he will 'house' this new team within New Asgard so as to protect this new team from having to fall into either the Pro-Reg or Anti-Reg category, thereby appearing gray. This would have ramifications upon the Avengers, being his typical team du jour. I could also see a Defenders vs. Avengers clash somewhere down the line and setup a Thor vs. Sentry throwdown that I would venture a guess alot would like to see. Hmmmm....
mlightner69
12-18-2007, 02:02 AM
NRAMA: And to keep things crystal clear, even though your recent work at Marvel has been set in the past, this is in the present-day Marvel U, correct? How does this team work in a world with the Initiative, Skrulls, and all the rest?
JC: This book takes place right now. And if the SHRA and the Fifty-State Initiative didn't exist, this team of Defenders wouldn't exist. Whatever is going on in the Marvel Universe will definitely be filtered through this book, whether it's post-Civil War politics or secret (and not-so-secret) invasions. Of course, we'll have our own unique take on these events... but that has more to do with the cast of characters involved and how *they* respond to the world they live in.
This makes me believe in Thor's involvement even more. I even believe he will FORM this team up in what he believes to be the Last Defenders the world has against Civil War and Invasions amidst the madness that has occured in recent times. Thor's involvement would instantly legitimize this team and make them a force to be acknowledged and reckoned with.
Hasn't he referred to himself in the past as the self-styled Defender of Midgard?
Babylon23
12-18-2007, 02:10 AM
I'm a little underwhelmed by the lineup (I was hoping for Hellcat), but Nighthawk is enough for me to check this out. Also, there's nothing to say this lineup will remain the same. The Defenders had a long history of major team changes.
Artwork looks good. Is that one of the Brothers Grimm Nighthawk's beating up.
mlightner69
12-18-2007, 03:10 AM
Ugh, that killed any excitement for me. Colussus, Blazing Skull, She-Hulk, Nighthawk and calling me a fanboy. Oh well, here's to hoping for the "New" Defenders reuinion.
Where did this post come from? I thought we wouldn't see this line-up till the cover of the March solicits and I haven't seen them yet? Is this made-up to mess with people's head in the meantime or for real?
Josef F.
12-18-2007, 08:29 AM
Oh have hopes.
The original defenders line-up was brilliant BECAUSE it was so completely random.
And that team.
That team is random.
Cayman
12-18-2007, 08:33 AM
The cover's attractive.
Oh have hopes.
The original defenders line-up was brilliant BECAUSE it was so completely random.
And that team.
That team is random.
The original Defenders weren't completely random though. They were all sort of outcast heroes, or heroes that kind of worked on the fringe.
That said, I'm sure there's some of connection to this team too. Can't for the life of me see what it is, but I'm sure in the writers mind there's something.
Harlock
12-18-2007, 09:05 AM
Where did this post come from? I thought we wouldn't see this line-up till the cover of the March solicits and I haven't seen them yet? Is this made-up to mess with people's head in the meantime or for real?
Sorry to disappoint you, but here is the link (http://marvel.com/catalog/?id=8345).
Cayman
12-18-2007, 09:13 AM
Sorry to disappoint you, but here is the link (http://marvel.com/catalog/?id=8345).
Hmm, it says pencils are by Keith Giffen but I think it's actually Jim Muniz.
Josef F.
12-18-2007, 09:21 AM
The original Defenders weren't completely random though. They were all sort of outcast heroes, or heroes that kind of worked on the fringe.
That said, I'm sure there's some of connection to this team too. Can't for the life of me see what it is, but I'm sure in the writers mind there's something.
Well Colossus has dealt heavily with mystic affairs.
With his fighting demons and all that.
And Ilyana.
Blazing skull also is pretty mystic in his origin
Vague connection there.
She hulk. She's came into contact with the Triunal on more than one occasion
Nighthawk. wouldn't even know where to connect him into.
Gee. that was hard.
But I reckon it'll be OK.
Colossus out of the X-Men is always good.
=]
I'm a little underwhelmed by the lineup (I was hoping for Hellcat), but Nighthawk is enough for me to check this out. Also, there's nothing to say this lineup will remain the same. The Defenders had a long history of major team changes.
Artwork looks good. Is that one of the Brothers Grimm Nighthawk's beating up.
Ditto.
I was hoping for Nighthawk, Valkryie, & Hellcat to be the main line-up for the Defenders.
Colossus & She-Hulk does not make any sense. Both would find the team ridiculous.
Well Colossus has dealt heavily with mystic affairs.
With his fighting demons and all that.
And Ilyana.
Blazing skull also is pretty mystic in his origin
Vague connection there.
She hulk. She's came into contact with the Triunal on more than one occasion
Nighthawk. wouldn't even know where to connect him into.
Gee. that was hard.
But I reckon it'll be OK.
Colossus out of the X-Men is always good.
=]
Every Marvel character--from The Fantastic Four, The Avengers, Uncanny X-Men--has dealt with mystical beings in various storylines to some extent, but this is not a reason to include them in The Defenders.
mightiness
12-18-2007, 11:15 AM
The inclusion of Colossus and She-Hulk have kind of ruined this for me. I was really looking forward to seeing Nighthawk, Gargoyle, Hellcat and Valkyrie. Blazing Skull is interesting but just not to jazzed to see the New Avengers version of the Defenders.
Josef F.
12-18-2007, 12:45 PM
Every Marvel character--from The Fantastic Four, The Avengers, Uncanny X-Men--has dealt with mystical beings in various storylines to some extent, but this is not a reason to include them in The Defenders.
Ha.
True say.
I tried.
I failed
Swing and a miss!:D
The inclusion of Colossus and She-Hulk have kind of ruined this for me. I was really looking forward to seeing Nighthawk, Gargoyle, Hellcat and Valkyrie. Blazing Skull is interesting but just not to jazzed to see the New Avengers version of the Defenders.
Main Team:
Nighthawk (leader)
Valkyrie (Brunhilda)
Hellcat
Gargoyle
Secondary Characters:
Devil Slayer
Damien Hellstorm
These characters are The Defenders & deserve a book. Colossus & She-Hulk are completely misplaced on the team.
Although The Defenders appear to be random characters in a book, they are not. Outside of the founding members--Doctor Strange, Hulk, Silver Surfer, & Namor--Valkyrie, Nighthawk, Hellcat, & Gargoyle are equally important as long as The Defenders name is used.
Joe Casey seems to not "get" The Defenders at all given he thinks She-Hulk & Colossus should be on the team. Again, these characters would think the Defenders is a stupid group & walk away back to their respective teams, the Avengers & the X-Men.
TotalWorldDomination
12-18-2007, 01:45 PM
I think the key to understanding the lineup is " Injected into the heart of the modern Marvel Universe, the Defenders have been reformed to serve a specific policital purpose".
I'd wager that they are a either A) an FSI team, and that the mystic stuff only comes in later or B) they are an Initative political and legal defense taskforce, and there will be no mystic stuff.
TotalWorldDomination
12-18-2007, 01:48 PM
Joe Casey seems to not "get" The Defenders at all given he thinks She-Hulk & Colossus should be on the team. Again, these characters would think the Defenders is a stupid group & walk away back to their respective teams, the Avengers & the X-Men.
We have no idea WHY the Defenders were formed. I don't think this lineup was picked out of a hat. If these people are on a team, odds are they have a good reason. We will have to wait and see just what casey has in mind here.
Tobias Drake
12-18-2007, 01:50 PM
I think the key to understanding the lineup is " Injected into the heart of the modern Marvel Universe, the Defenders have been reformed to serve a specific policital purpose".
I'd wager that they are a either A) an FSI team, and that the mystic stuff only comes in later or B) they are an Initative political and legal defense taskforce, and there will be no mystic stuff.
Shulkie is a good choice for a specific political purpose. Colossus, however, seems very bingo wheel.
We have no idea WHY the Defenders were formed. I don't think this lineup was picked out of a hat. If these people are on a team, odds are they have a good reason. We will have to wait and see just what casey has in mind here.
The Defenders can still be true as an unofficial non-team concept though today. Take this element out, you no longer have The Defenders.
TotalWorldDomination
12-18-2007, 03:40 PM
Shulkie is a good choice for a specific political purpose. Colossus, however, seems very bingo wheel.
well, look at it this way. You've got the most well-known and respected mid-war defector to the winning side from during the Civil War leading it (Nighthawk), the foremost expert on Superhuman legal issues (She-Hulk) and 2 foreign nationals (Blazing Skull and Colossus are from the UK and Russia, respectively). Perhaps that will play into it?
The Defenders can still be true as an unofficial non-team concept though today. Take this element out, you no longer have The Defenders.
I see your point. From all appearances this team will have little in common with the "Old" Defenders or the New Defenders. I imagine that they are called the defenders by preference of Nighthawk and little else.
Monty_Cristo
12-18-2007, 04:03 PM
Shulkie is a good choice for a specific political purpose. Colossus, however, seems very bingo wheel.
he showed a desire to play lawyer when he was with the Acolytes. they devoted an entire issue to him defending some rogue Acolyte; who was to be put to death.
thorionthei
12-19-2007, 09:41 AM
Regarding the lineup? HUH?!
I hate it. To tell the truth Nighthawk is probably my least favorite of the classic members. I only liked him in that mini where he was dead, blind, with Mephisto in it.
Colossus and She-Hulk are two favorites of mine but, um, well, it's just wierd. Blazing Skull I never really cared for. I didn't care for his crazy thing (like I don't care for Machine Man's). And why not the popular flaming skulll Ghost Rider.
I trust Casey so I will check it out but...they are making it a hard sell aren't they?
thorionthei
12-19-2007, 09:42 AM
Also since this is a mini I am hoping it will be followed by a regular series that is more attractive.
TotalWorldDomination
12-19-2007, 10:09 AM
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=140235
Joe Casey responds to the Lineup Questions (without giving any info).
sdman619
12-19-2007, 10:52 AM
Defenders is the second best Team name out their next to the Avengers and for some reason Marvel never seems to get it right. This property should be one of Marvels most valuable but it is often not used correctly IMHO. Putting Colossus and She-Hulk on this team really isn't a plus or an addition it really just complicates the title more. I really feel that if they used more traditional "Defenders" characters that they would really have something.
Nighthawk, Hellcat, Valkyrie, Gargoyle, Devil-Slayer, Hellstrom, there are so many wonderful characters that the could flesh out and really give them a chance to shine instead the go with the more typical route by putting in an X-men here or an Avenger there. Imagine adding say a Brother Voodoo these characters are so under developed that there really isn't any continuity problems. They really could focus on building new stars instead of the constant re-hash of Wolverine or X-men stories.
They really could focus on building new stars instead of the constant re-hash of Wolverine or X-men stories.
To a degree, this is a compromise though.
Nighthawk and Blazing Skrull are D listers, so mixing them up with B list characters like Colossus and She-Hulk could elevate them.
I do agree that a few more classic Defenders might be nice though. The team is kind of on the small side, so there's always a chance a few more might be sprinkled in there.
Defenders is the second best Team name out their next to the Avengers and for some reason Marvel never seems to get it right. This property should be one of Marvels most valuable but it is often not used correctly IMHO. Putting Colossus and She-Hulk on this team really isn't a plus or an addition it really just complicates the title more. I really feel that if they used more traditional "Defenders" characters that they would really have something.
Nighthawk, Hellcat, Valkyrie, Gargoyle, Devil-Slayer, Hellstrom, there are so many wonderful characters that the could flesh out and really give them a chance to shine instead the go with the more typical route by putting in an X-men here or an Avenger there. Imagine adding say a Brother Voodoo these characters are so under developed that there really isn't any continuity problems. They really could focus on building new stars instead of the constant re-hash of Wolverine or X-men stories.
Satana would be perfect among the Defenders. As would Clea, a return of the mysterious Cloud (revamped & re-imagined), Moondragon, & even Hawkeye would be make for a good line-up. Although Hawkeye in his heart is an Avenger, he did join the Defenders at one point.
To a degree, this is a compromise though.
Nighthawk and Blazing Skrull are D listers, so mixing them up with B list characters like Colossus and She-Hulk could elevate them.
I do agree that a few more classic Defenders might be nice though. The team is kind of on the small side, so there's always a chance a few more might be sprinkled in there.
Aside from the original Defenders--Hulk, Silver Surfer, Namor, & Doctor Strange, the entire basis for the group is D-list heaven. I think that is the point of the team since it is a non-group group in the unofficial capacity of being official.
Regarding the lineup? HUH?!
I hate it. To tell the truth Nighthawk is probably my least favorite of the classic members. I only liked him in that mini where he was dead, blind, with Mephisto in it.
Colossus and She-Hulk are two favorites of mine but, um, well, it's just wierd. Blazing Skull I never really cared for. I didn't care for his crazy thing (like I don't care for Machine Man's). And why not the popular flaming skulll Ghost Rider.
I trust Casey so I will check it out but...they are making it a hard sell aren't they?
When Doctor Strange went on extended leave, Nighthawk became the default leader of the Defenders. Even when Strange returned, Nighthawk kept his status as leader & the team moved into Nighthawk's mansion as a meeting place for the group. Nighthawk is essential to the Defenders as Storm is to the X-Men.
thorionthei
12-19-2007, 01:34 PM
When Doctor Strange went on extended leave, Nighthawk became the default leader of the Defenders. Even when Strange returned, Nighthawk kept his status as leader & the team moved into Nighthawk's mansion as a meeting place for the group. Nighthawk is essential to the Defenders as Storm is to the X-Men.
Is Storm still in the X-Men? :) I know she just returned. Didn't notice she was gone.
I have no problem with Nighthawk but I wish they would write him as more capable.
Joe Franklin
12-19-2007, 04:24 PM
Is Storm still in the X-Men? :) I know she just returned. Didn't notice she was gone.
Neither did I. Storm has awesome mutant powers, but she has no personality to go along with them.:(
Frank
12-23-2007, 04:26 AM
Neither did I. Storm has awesome mutant powers, but she has no personality to go along with them.:(
eh How soon the forget. Storm used to be one of the most badass female around. Known not just for her powers and beauty but for her leadership quality. Grace and strength in one body.
bad trotsky
12-23-2007, 05:56 AM
I just like that a X-Men guy is in a non mutant book. Only the Beast has ever done this with success.
Atom_basher
12-23-2007, 07:41 AM
I just like that a X-Men guy is in a non mutant book. Only the Beast has ever done this with success.
weren't angel and Iceman defenders at some point?
Siddon
12-23-2007, 07:58 AM
weren't angel and Iceman defenders at some point?
Yes
Iceman Angel -Champions
Beast - Avengers
Iceman Angel Beast - Defenders
Wolverine - New Avengers
weren't angel and Iceman defenders at some point?
Yes:
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/23565426234.125.GIF
Beast joined the Defenders in The Defenders #109; whereas, Angel & Iceman joined in The Defenders #125. They were all active from The Defenders #125-152 then founded X-Factor.
Will.S
12-23-2007, 08:55 AM
I just liked New Defenders for the Gargoyle appearances.
Brother Zag
12-24-2007, 08:59 AM
I just liked New Defenders for the Gargoyle appearances.
QFT
Gargoyle ROCKED!
I'd really like to see this character revitalized, handed down to Isaac Christians' nephew or something... Okay, I wrote a script where that happens, so full disclosure here on that. Not that it's seen the light of day. J.M. DeMatteis may have cribbed a bit from "The Demon" to create the Gargoyle, but the fun, I think, lies in the differences in the character, the involvement of the Six Fingered Hand, Gnostic Wizards... you know, stuff like that.
Will.S
12-25-2007, 08:13 AM
QFT
Gargoyle ROCKED!
I'd really like to see this character revitalized, handed down to Isaac Christians' nephew or something... Okay, I wrote a script where that happens, so full disclosure here on that. Not that it's seen the light of day. J.M. DeMatteis may have cribbed a bit from "The Demon" to create the Gargoyle, but the fun, I think, lies in the differences in the character, the involvement of the Six Fingered Hand, Gnostic Wizards... you know, stuff like that.
Agreed, plus he's a friggin old guy with mystical powers how weird is that?
I've been meaning to finish his little 4 issue mini that came out in the 80's so I'm still trying to track down #3 and #4 somewhere. The art by Mark Badger was amazing.
Here's some art from #1:
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7215/garglz1.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6119/garg2ug5.jpg
Hatut Zeraze
12-26-2007, 12:22 AM
As much as I love the classic Defenders, including the second-stringers like Gargoyle, Valkyrie, Nighthawk, and Hellcat, I believe the interviews with Casey suggested they wanted to try something a little fresher than revitalizing a team that basically died off 20 years ago. Sure some of us old guys have nostalgia for that team, but I believe that nostalgia isn't quite what Marvel's looking for. As Casey pointed out, nostalgia Defenders has been attempted again and again over the last 2 decades with low to mediocre response.
He's taking the name and trying something different. Even though I, too, find the lineup to be a little weird, I'm looking forward to giving this title a fair shot. I think Casey has certainly earned that from me.
steve2275
12-26-2007, 04:00 AM
Colossus & She-Hulk does not make any sense. Both would find the team ridiculous.
fastball special possibilities :D :cool:
StoneGold
12-26-2007, 08:27 AM
Yes
Iceman Angel -Champions
Beast - Avengers
Iceman Angel Beast - Defenders
Wolverine - New Avengers
The success part is debatable, though. I'd say Beast is the only one who overcame his X-origins to become considered a _______ as much as an X-Man. Bobby and Warren were in the Defenders, Hank was an Avenger, you know?
Wolverine it's too early to really say.
The success part is debatable, though. I'd say Beast is the only one who overcame his X-origins to become considered a _______ as much as an X-Man. Bobby and Warren were in the Defenders, Hank was an Avenger, you know?
Beast was available to join the X-Men since X-Men was cancelled. Besides Captain America, the Scarlet Witch, & the Vision, Beast had one of the longest tenures on the Avengers. Beast also joined the The Defenders & even made a guest appearance in The Champions as well as his guest appearances in various issues of the Chris Claremont & John Byrne's Uncanny X-Men.
Remember, Hank kept his Avengers status even though he was active in X-Factor. Beast helped the Avengers in West Coast Avengers Annual #4 & Avengers Annual #17 when they fought Set & the Deviant, Ghaur.
The Angel & Iceman has less success after X-Men.
Wolverine it's too early to really say.
I agree. Unlike Beast, Wolverine is spread thin in various books. There's no comparison.
As much as I love the classic Defenders, including the second-stringers like Gargoyle, Valkyrie, Nighthawk, and Hellcat, I believe the interviews with Casey suggested they wanted to try something a little fresher than revitalizing a team that basically died off 20 years ago. Sure some of us old guys have nostalgia for that team, but I believe that nostalgia isn't quite what Marvel's looking for. As Casey pointed out, nostalgia Defenders has been attempted again and again over the last 2 decades with low to mediocre response.
He's taking the name and trying something different. Even though I, too, find the lineup to be a little weird, I'm looking forward to giving this title a fair shot. I think Casey has certainly earned that from me.
I really think Casaey has no idea what The Defenders are about. It's mostly about D-list characters fighting evil in weird stories, even for a comic book! Gargoyle, Nighthawk, Hellcat, & Valkyrie is the heart & soul of The Defenders when Doctor Strange, Namor, Silver Surfer, & Hulk are not around.
thorionthei
12-26-2007, 01:45 PM
As much as I love the classic Defenders, including the second-stringers like Gargoyle, Valkyrie, Nighthawk, and Hellcat, I believe the interviews with Casey suggested they wanted to try something a little fresher than revitalizing a team that basically died off 20 years ago. Sure some of us old guys have nostalgia for that team, but I believe that nostalgia isn't quite what Marvel's looking for. As Casey pointed out, nostalgia Defenders has been attempted again and again over the last 2 decades with low to mediocre response.
He's taking the name and trying something different. Even though I, too, find the lineup to be a little weird, I'm looking forward to giving this title a fair shot. I think Casey has certainly earned that from me.
Well the thing is he nostalgia Defenders have been attempted twice now but each time they focused on the big four. And it wasn't the best attempt at revivals either. The Larsen/Busiek comic did have Nighthawk, Hellcat, and Valkyrie but IMO was just horrible.
Anyways, I understand they need for something different but not sure this is going to attract people.
They wanted all new? I would've gone Blade, Ghost Rider, Moon Knight with some other old school Defenders (Devil-Slayer, Val, Hellcat) vs. Demons!
Frank
12-27-2007, 02:53 AM
Well the thing is he nostalgia Defenders have been attempted twice now but each time they focused on the big four. And it wasn't the best attempt at revivals either. The Larsen/Busiek comic did have Nighthawk, Hellcat, and Valkyrie but IMO was just horrible.
That comic had its moments. But there's no proof that a well-done straight, traditional super-hero with these characters would not work. JSA proved that while using some nostlagic focal points but essentialy having b-listers while basically just doing a good super-hero book could work. I even tend to think that Night Hawk, Valkyrie, Hellcat, Gargoyle and so forth have more going for them than any of the Golden DC character from Alan Scott to Wild Cat. Maybe that's just me.
Anyways, I understand they need for something different but not sure this is going to attract people
True. And it's not like Marvel has any confidence anyway given that it's only a mini-series.
They wanted all new? I would've gone Blade, Ghost Rider, Moon Knight with some other old school Defenders (Devil-Slayer, Val, Hellcat) vs. Demons!
That would have been so cool. Reading between the lines, even when they were more experimenting around 2003 or so by launching various titles, there never was much interest in the Joe Q regime with the supernatural. I mean there never was a big push as far as horror titles.
thorionthei
12-27-2007, 09:53 AM
Frank I agree 100% about Nighthawk, Hellcat, Val, Gargoyle and even Devil-Slayer having an audience. Besides Dr. Strange the other big 3 (Namor, Hulk, Surfer) didn't do anything for me in the Defenders. The ones I listed first I always liked.
I also agree about the JSA. They did nothing for me until Robinson-Goyer-Johns made a book both old school fans can enjoy and new people as well.
And I agree again about Joe Q and the mystic stuff. The current Marvel regime isn't doing much for their supernatural corner of the MU. Marvel Cosmic just got a shot in the arm with the Annhilation stuff I hope they do something similiar with their mystic characters soon.
Jeremi
12-27-2007, 11:54 AM
I'm buying this for Blazing Skull alone. I loved him in the New Invaders mini from a few years back.
Cthulhudrew
02-18-2008, 01:50 PM
Woohoo! The new lineup for #3 has been revealed in the solicits (http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/May08/solicitations.html) at Newsarama, and I'm pretty happy about it.
Paladin, Junta(!), and Atlas(!) will be joining Nighthawk. Sweet. Good to see Atlas will be back in action in the MU, and I'm always happy to see Priest's characters used (now if only someone will bring back Isaiah Bradley and Kasper Cole). Paladin's cool, too.
Nyssane
02-18-2008, 01:51 PM
Woohoo! The new lineup for #3 has been revealed in the solicits (http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/May08/solicitations.html) at Newsarama, and I'm pretty happy about it.
Paladin, Junta(!), and Atlas(!) will be joining Nighthawk. Sweet. Good to see Atlas will be back in action in the MU, and I'm always happy to see Priest's characters used (now if only someone will bring back Isaiah Bradley and Kasper Cole). Paladin's cool, too.
Me too! I'm definitely picking up this... but I hope that Blizzard joins the group, too. :( It'd be a nice dig at Fabey's Thunderbolts.
Me too! I'm definitely picking up this... but I hope that Blizzard joins the group, too. :( It'd be a nice dig at Fabey's Thunderbolts.
Yeah, seeing a few familiar faces from Nighhawks TBolts days is nice. Glad someone used them and they didn't fade into limbo.
Is the first line up gone already though? If so, it almost makes me wonder how comfortable I should get with this newer batch. But that's the Defenders way I guess... their membership tends to ebb and flow.
gorthon616
02-18-2008, 02:13 PM
HELLSTORM. nice. hopefully a good appearance.
I thought this was supposed to be an on-going, not a mini?
Not particularly juiced about the new members, but I'm still somewhat interested in seeing how it's gonna pan out.
Tobias March
02-18-2008, 02:13 PM
Ok that rocks. Bendis made a comment recently to the effect that there are so many characters lying by the wayside that were created in the last couple of years. And I wholeheartedly support any attention directed towards the Crew, which was simply excellent.
HELLSTORM. nice. hopefully a good appearance.
I thought this was supposed to be an on-going, not a mini?
Not particularly juiced about the new members, but I'm still somewhat interested in seeing how it's gonna pan out.
I'm both excited and a bit worried about Hellstrom.
He's one of my fave characters... but I also think he's a pretty though character to get right, particularly in a more traditional superhero setting. Hopefully they don't throw in in tights and send him after Skrulls or anything.
gorthon616
02-18-2008, 03:12 PM
I'm both excited and a bit worried about Hellstrom.
He's one of my fave characters... but I also think he's a pretty though character to get right, particularly in a more traditional superhero setting. Hopefully they don't throw in in tights and send him after Skrulls or anything.
True. I'm hoping it's a good one. The thing that sounds promising about his appearance is that he is not a member of the team. That hopefully allows him to keep a healthy distance from straight super-heroics.
Diablito
02-18-2008, 03:27 PM
I'm actually excited for The Last Defenders!
Cthulhudrew
02-18-2008, 05:07 PM
I wonder if the Hellstrom connection might be to that (admittedly somewhat ill-conceived) Nighthawk revival where he had the powers to see the dead or something, or if it's just a general Defenders connection.
Joe Franklin
02-18-2008, 06:23 PM
Is Junta the hispanic gravity control guy?
I wonder if the Hellstrom connection might be to that (admittedly somewhat ill-conceived) Nighthawk revival where he had the powers to see the dead or something, or if it's just a general Defenders connection.
Yeah... Nighthawks ressurection was pretty horrible. It was funny how both he and Hellcat came back around the same time with similiar magical abilities that were eventually forgotten about.
If they wanted to, I suppose they could somehow retcon that to be some sort of Hellstrom plot (he obviously was behind Patsy's return). And that actually would make this book sound like a Defenders book (since the Defenders usually dealt with mystical stuff).
But I'd be surpised if this book went there. Seems a little out of bounds for an Initiative team from Jersy (or where ever).
Monty_Cristo
02-18-2008, 07:06 PM
Is Junta the hispanic gravity control guy?
yeeesssssssss. but he exists within a gravity well as opposed to controlling gravity.
StoneGold
02-18-2008, 07:37 PM
Is Junta the hispanic gravity control guy?
Except Priest sold him in the interviews as run-of-the-mill average white guy.
Wow, never thought I'd ever see Junta again.
Joe Franklin
02-18-2008, 07:53 PM
yeeesssssssss. but he exists within a gravity well as opposed to controlling gravity.
So how does he use his gravity powers?
Frank
02-18-2008, 08:00 PM
SPOILERS ALERT! :D
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/May08/monday/defenders3.jpg
Uuum I don't know about this.
drwho
02-18-2008, 08:10 PM
Okay who sticks Paladin on a team when the villain can just pay him to betray the team. Doesn't make much sense to me especially when he has a less than loyal team member for Heroes for Hire. No wonder this team is set to fail. Just hope Atlas doesnt end up in a body bag.
Monty_Cristo
02-18-2008, 08:22 PM
Okay who sticks Paladin on a team when the villain can just pay him to betray the team. Doesn't make much sense to me especially when he has a less than loyal team member for Heroes for Hire. No wonder this team is set to fail. Just hope Atlas doesnt end up in a body bag.
Paladin's the one you're worried about? Junta, according to his creator, is a compulsive liar and just as prone to backstab. and Atlas once beat Genis to death just because he was afraid of him getting with Songbird. i think this team is supposed to be dysfunctional. how is Atlas even awake, anyways? skrull.
Monty_Cristo
02-18-2008, 08:24 PM
So how does he use his gravity powers?
The origin of Danny Vincent's powers remain unrevealed. His body actually exists in a "gravity well," somehow forcing his body out of synch with reality. In fact, without a way to control the gravity field around him, Danny would implode, drawing him and anything within an eighth-mile radius into a miniature black hole. Because of the intense gravitational forces that are a part of his body, anyone who comes into unprotected contact with his skin will experience severe disorientation and nausea.
Danny wears a special mechanical belt to regulate his powers; it monitors and synchronizes his contact with the world around him. By adjusting this belt, Danny can avoid most kinds of attacks, deflect projectiles, walk on walls and ceilings, lessen his rate of falling, and even phase through objects.
Junta has a small floating servo-tech robot in his house programmed with his mother's memories and speech patterns, and only in Spanish. According to him he "salvaged" it while working in Latveria, the homeland of Doctor Doom. This of course was a lie.
Cthulhudrew
02-18-2008, 08:26 PM
how is Atlas even awake, anyways? skrull.
Yes, because it's not at all possible they will explain his revival within the confines of the book itself.:rolleyes:
Monty_Cristo
02-18-2008, 08:30 PM
Yes, because it's not at all possible they will explain his revival within the confines of the book itself.:rolleyes:
doesn't mean he isn't a skrull. :rollseyesback:
Frank
02-18-2008, 08:41 PM
Frankly it doesn't seem like the Defenders I was hoping for. First Casey put two random strong heroes that have no connections to the Defenders' past in She-Hulk and Colossus. Then he put marksmen with guns and probably the least interesting character of the Thunderbolt.
Paladin I could accept since he's a good character. And has merely a stun gun. Maybe Night Hawk should surround himself with more diverse characters as his next step. How about heroes that has a connection to the Defenders' past? I thought Casey was gonna exploit the idea of Marvel having no JSA-style teams and have a super-hero group where it would have its own history and doing straight-forward fun super-hero tales(something we can't have in Avengers books). Put a few familar faces, dammit! With Night Hawk have say...Gargoyle and Son of Satan. And then you could add various characters(such as Paladin). I'm thinking maybe Archangel and Namora from World War Hulk. Namora could be the Valkyrie for a new generation.
Frankly it doesn't seem like the Defenders I was hoping for. First Casey put two random strong heroes that have no connections to the Defenders' past in She-Hulk and Colossus. Then he put marksmen with guns and probably the least interesting character of the Thunderbolt.
Paladin I could accept since he's a good character. And has merely a stun gun. Maybe Night Hawk should surround himself with more diverse characters as his next step. How about heroes that has a connection to the Defenders' past? I thought Casey was gonna exploit the idea of Marvel having no JSA-style teams and have a super-hero group where it would have its own history and doing straight-forward fun super-hero tales(something we can't have in Avengers books). Put a few familar faces, dammit! With Night Hawk have say...Gargoyle and Son of Satan. And then you could add various characters(such as Paladin). I'm thinking maybe Archangel and Namora from World War Hulk. Namora could be the Valkyrie for a new generation.
There's no way Hellstrom would join a superhero team though. Maybe something like Midnight Sons, but there's no way he'd get back into spandex and fight crime.
But I also wish a few other old school Defenders would be nice. I was rooting for Hellcat myself.
This second team looks like Nighthawk literally scraped the bottom of the barrel to get them together. I'd be suprised if they all stuck around to be honest. I do like Atlas being in there.
Will.S
02-18-2008, 10:18 PM
Nighthawk and Atlas? Not bad at all, makes sense.
But these other guys? Sheesh, Casey really likes to stick with the tradition of random Defenders rosters and I don't think either of these rosters work at all.
wow. that's a pretty crappy Defenders team. I wonder if all this stuff has to tie in with the Civil War crap. :(
Cthulhudrew
02-19-2008, 11:42 AM
Interview with Casey on the new lineup (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=147252).
This part stands out to me:
As disparate as these three characters may seem, they all do share one thing that allows for them to serve on the same team. More than that, I probably shouldn't say.
Hm. One thing? Could it be that they have all been or are mercenaries? (Atlas used to be a merc, Paladin is a merc, and Junta is essentially a spy for hire). Or is there something else?
[EDIT- Based on the solicits about Nighthawk getting the best team "money can buy", I'm guessing that's the angle. The team makes sense under those circumstances, then.
I also like that Casey promises to answer questions about the SHRA that have yet to be touched on, which is, like, all of them.]
Interview with Casey on the new lineup (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=147252).
This part stands out to me:
Hm. One thing? Could it be that they have all been or are mercenaries? (Atlas used to be a merc, Paladin is a merc, and Junta is essentially a spy for hire). Or is there something else?
[EDIT- Based on the solicits about Nighthawk getting the best team "money can buy", I'm guessing that's the angle. The team makes sense under those circumstances, then.
I also like that Casey promises to answer questions about the SHRA that have yet to be touched on, which is, like, all of them.]
Yeah, the team makes sense if the Defenders end up becoming Nighhawks hired merc. Not sure that sounds any more Defenders-ish than the first team... but it makes sense I guess.
Wonder if this means that Colossus and She-Hulk don't stick around or if they'll end up becoming one big happy team in the end.
Cthulhudrew
02-19-2008, 01:07 PM
Yeah, the team makes sense if the Defenders end up becoming Nighhawks hired merc. Not sure that sounds any more Defenders-ish than the first team... but it makes sense I guess.
The only person he's missing from that team is Luke Cage (or Iron Fist, if you include their joint stint in H4H- though Danny never made sense as a 'Hero for Hire' to me.)
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